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Speaker 2: We appreciate everyone coming out tonight. Tonight we got a
Speaker 2: really special guest man, someone that is from the same
Speaker 2: area as Jack, but just someone who really when I
Speaker 2: was ten eleven years old, like he was on TV
Speaker 2: and he made it seem bigger than life back then,
Speaker 2: and to go on and see the career he had
Speaker 2: in the NBA and now he's back working with the Knicks.
Speaker 3: I've always been a huge.
Speaker 4: Fan of him, one of my og somebody being from Texas,
Speaker 4: somebody I looked up to. I mean, everybody know about
Speaker 4: the UNLV run.
Speaker 5: In those days.
Speaker 4: You know how as a kid, if you watch college basketball,
Speaker 4: you have to know about the running rebels, you know
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, and the culture they brought to the
Speaker 4: game of basketball into shit all the youth in the hood,
Speaker 4: you know, because there was a bunch of brothers doing
Speaker 4: the day way you know what I'm saying, sewing it
Speaker 4: that we can get it done. So we all looked
Speaker 4: up to him, so it's the honor to have him
Speaker 4: at today.
Speaker 3: Further Ado, Man, welcome to stage.
Speaker 5: Larry Johnson, appreciate that in New York. Thank you, thank you. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I see some big l's. I see some big l h.
Speaker 2: I feel like the world is a better place when
Speaker 2: the Knicks have a good basketball team. I just feel
Speaker 2: like the energy is different, you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: Like I'm happy. I'm genuinely happy for y'all. Like when
Speaker 2: New York, when the Knicks are good, it's a better NBA.
Speaker 4: I want to give a shout out to a high
Speaker 4: school kid that's playing basketball, was battling Chemo.
Speaker 5: His name is Johnny, and he's here right now.
Speaker 3: Are you at Johnny?
Speaker 5: Shout out to my boy Johnny. We appreciate you being
Speaker 5: here much love. Bro. We appreciate you Bro.
Speaker 2: And uh Mail and his stream male's team. This is
Speaker 2: one of the top What are you a sophomore now
Speaker 2: junior juniors in the country.
Speaker 3: Man explosive.
Speaker 2: I've I've been a fan of I've been a fan
Speaker 2: of him for a long time. Man, So his squad
Speaker 2: came out, so we appreciate you guys coming out. Tomorrow's
Speaker 2: our five year in Terresting. It's great we get to
Speaker 2: spend it with you guys. We're really excited to be
Speaker 2: here in New York and have the guests we have.
Speaker 2: But without let's get it Jack, let's get it going.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, look check this out.
Speaker 4: First off, being a basketball player from Texas, I'm honored
Speaker 4: to have you on the show because, you know not
Speaker 4: it's not many that we can look up to and
Speaker 4: say they made it and did it they way, you know,
Speaker 4: being being from the areas that we come from, people
Speaker 4: always say you got to look a certain way to
Speaker 4: be successful, look a certain way to be to get
Speaker 4: where you want to be in life. And y'all showed
Speaker 4: us different. Y'all did it y'all way, and y'all were
Speaker 4: success for doing it. Today looking at the UNLV and
Speaker 4: the run you had, how does it feel today knowing
Speaker 4: that you had a big, a big part in history
Speaker 4: in cottage basketball and inspiring a lot of young young
Speaker 4: athletes like me.
Speaker 5: I mean, it makes you feel good. I mean when
Speaker 5: if we took it to another level, man, then you
Speaker 5: casts taking it to another level. So I'm gonna give
Speaker 5: you flowers while you're here, man, and thank you for
Speaker 5: having me on New York. Thank you for coming out.
Speaker 5: But coming from where we come from, like you said,
Speaker 5: and then you spoke about Texas, we got to stick
Speaker 5: together because it's always been like a football state. So
Speaker 5: when one of us do do what we do, we
Speaker 5: know about each other. I've been knowing about Jack. He's
Speaker 5: he's from Texas, like I said, part off the so
Speaker 5: which has been a hell of a basketball school for
Speaker 5: a long time. Appreciate when I was the hell of
Speaker 5: a basketball school for a long time. But when you
Speaker 5: get the flowers from of the ynsters like that, and
Speaker 5: you can appreciate it more because all we was doing
Speaker 5: was balling. We had we had to write time right
Speaker 5: coach at the right time. It was a Vegas The
Speaker 5: culture was you know, hip hop at the time. And
Speaker 5: I can remember you know, cats coming to the games
Speaker 5: and you in LV parking and cats like that. I
Speaker 5: think Snoop made a game, you know, So back then, man,
Speaker 5: it was just the way we got down and and
Speaker 5: the next year after that was like that Michigan team.
Speaker 5: And I've even heard Webbers said I don't know if
Speaker 5: y'all say, y'all have Webber coming on, but I have
Speaker 5: I've heard well say that. Man, I won't number foe
Speaker 5: for LJ and it was for that un LV team,
Speaker 5: So you know that just and at the time, I'm
Speaker 5: still in the league. So that just makes you work
Speaker 5: a little fat harder. You know, if you know the
Speaker 5: youngsters like that, that's what you're supposed to do. You're
Speaker 5: supposed to take care of the coach and build the
Speaker 5: coach up for the next generation. That's what you catch on.
Speaker 3: Before we go there, we go further the us LV.
Speaker 3: Let's go back to Dallas, Texas.
Speaker 4: Dallas o'cliffe, how was it growing up in Dallas Oakcliffe?
Speaker 5: Well, I grew up in Sath Dallas Dixon Circle Tell Talls. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: you know Cliff and Sath Dallas. You know, we didn't
Speaker 5: get it all ready, you know that, you know, high
Speaker 5: school stuff. So I grew up Staff Dallas played I
Speaker 5: was Skyline High School. Nor if you know Skyline High School.
Speaker 5: My coach is really who taught me how to play
Speaker 5: the game. Man, My high school coach, JD. Mayo. Shout
Speaker 5: out to you, Coach Mayo. About fifteen years after I left,
Speaker 5: he got national High School Coach of the Year. So CJ. Miles,
Speaker 5: you catch remember CJ. Miles my high school last cat
Speaker 5: to go to the leaf for my high school. So
Speaker 5: you know, didn't have a father, so almost every coach
Speaker 5: that I had was like a father figure to me.
Speaker 5: So this dude really took me to the next level.
Speaker 5: When I tell everybody all the time, when I left
Speaker 5: Skyline High School, everything else was easy. Everything else was easy.
Speaker 5: I was on varsity for four years and we never wanted,
Speaker 5: never won, and never had a team. But you know
Speaker 5: that's really why I learned how to play the game.
Speaker 4: Me and you got similar sat stories.
Speaker 5: No, we don't, we don't. I'll tell my story.
Speaker 3: What was your essay story?
Speaker 5: Stuff? Okay, this is how mine went, Matt.
Speaker 4: I was supposed to go to University of Arizona, right,
Speaker 4: and I you know, I'm just not good at certain things, and.
Speaker 5: That's one of them.
Speaker 4: School being one of them, right, and definitely being told
Speaker 4: what to do like that, that wasn't my thing.
Speaker 5: But Arizona knew that.
Speaker 3: So it was like, hey, we'll set it up.
Speaker 4: Well, you can take the test at somebody house and
Speaker 4: we'll have somebody there now me at that time, you know,
Speaker 4: everybody wiped the police to me time.
Speaker 5: So I didn't really know how to judge this guy
Speaker 5: sitting here. So I wasn't thinking, hey, let me ask
Speaker 5: him to help me. Now, if it wasn't have been
Speaker 5: a brother and now I have been like, yeah, you
Speaker 5: kind of like let me I could slide you something maybe,
Speaker 5: you know, maybe. But I had no idea that guy
Speaker 5: was there to help me.
Speaker 3: How the dude sitting next to you to help you
Speaker 3: with the testing?
Speaker 5: And I didn't know it, and I ended up not.
Speaker 3: Going to school because of it.
Speaker 5: Damn shun word. That's how I feel now. But if
Speaker 5: I were might, I should have told me man, I
Speaker 5: didn't have I had no problem cheating, right, Can you
Speaker 5: tell us your story? No, it's I don't have a
Speaker 5: story like that. Over didn't go like that.
Speaker 3: What's your SAT story going?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 5: I took the test the beginning of my senior year
Speaker 5: and then come close to what I needed. So I studied,
Speaker 5: I didn't but yeah, I didn't do none of that. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you're right, what is that? What I got a big
Speaker 5: one down is so? So I studied and then I
Speaker 5: took it at the end of my senior year and
Speaker 5: I got the grade I needed. Right, I signed with
Speaker 5: s U coming out of high school. Everyone that's right
Speaker 5: down the street from the project where I grew up.
Speaker 5: So Robert Pye, I got a nice one. Robert Pye
Speaker 5: was the incoming president and he was coming from Duke University,
Speaker 5: and he called me and my high school coaching office,
Speaker 5: looked us in our face and said, man, we're not
Speaker 5: going to accept your s A T score and you
Speaker 5: can't do the work here. Now that last part could
Speaker 5: have been true. I can't do the work here. That
Speaker 5: last part could have been true. But he didn't accept
Speaker 5: their safety score and they wouldn't accept me as what
Speaker 5: was the reason. He said I made a jump. They
Speaker 5: were saying that I made a jump from you know,
Speaker 5: from this to that was too big and the time
Speaker 5: that you know I.
Speaker 4: Had, I would have had the issue too because my
Speaker 4: previous scores was just my name, right, So if I'd asked.
Speaker 5: The dude for that, if I would have do something. Yeah,
Speaker 5: So I did, right. I saved myself some drama.
Speaker 4: Oh that's a college are you talking about the time
Speaker 4: of That's a college of ju called Pipeline.
Speaker 2: You went to the Yep, I went to people a
Speaker 2: lot of talent. Really, I went to Blend for two weeks. Man,
Speaker 2: you went to Blend for two weeks two weeks. Couldn't
Speaker 2: handle Look what you mean you couldn't hand it?
Speaker 5: I couldn't handle it. What the Texas?
Speaker 4: What you mean you couldn't I had more. I had
Speaker 4: more envision in life than Juco at the time. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that was that was the step back for I fail
Speaker 4: at the time.
Speaker 5: You know, I went for two years and he right
Speaker 5: about that. He right about that. I used to call
Speaker 5: ju coo gladiated ball. He right about that. I remember
Speaker 5: I got in two fights in Juco. One of them
Speaker 5: they sent me to the bench, send him to the bench,
Speaker 5: and the next time out we can go back in.
Speaker 5: I got into another one. They sent us to the
Speaker 5: locker room. Halftime came we can go back in. So yeah, Jr.
Speaker 5: He right about that. And then the travel you know
Speaker 5: you Sharon Bath. Yeah, four dudes, five dudes. Yeah, I
Speaker 5: see what you said. But I stuck it out for
Speaker 5: four years, never won anything. Yeah, but I got a
Speaker 5: junior cote player in your two years in a row,
Speaker 5: freshman and the sophomore year. Yeah, we never won anything,
Speaker 5: But I ended up there because of my high school.
Speaker 5: High school teammate, I had dude named Tony Jackson. Shout
Speaker 5: out to juw Jack. I know he's watching. But Tony
Speaker 5: Jackson was going to o Delsa junior college and he
Speaker 5: was the number two player Dallas and I've number one
Speaker 5: playing Dallas, som like, and we was boy, we was cool.
Speaker 5: So Jack went to Odessa and I woke up one
Speaker 5: morning and it was Odelsa junior college coach in my house,
Speaker 5: sleeping in macau, sleeping on my cap. Huda is this
Speaker 5: dude man? And my mom had already told Jack to
Speaker 5: tell him, man, tell your coach to come get him.
Speaker 5: So he came and got me. After this dude then
Speaker 5: accept my SAT score. And it was a big thing
Speaker 5: in Dallas at the time because SMU was just now
Speaker 5: being able to ball a little bit.
Speaker 3: They got black, they got what you're gonna call from
Speaker 3: the football program. Yes, it was right around that time.
Speaker 3: He got a death penalty, right.
Speaker 5: They got the death county in the same Yeah, I know,
Speaker 5: we ain't get one of that well going there.
Speaker 3: That was after that was before you though, right, was
Speaker 3: that same time?
Speaker 5: No, that was before me, Like two years before me. Dude,
Speaker 5: that's why they brought niggas. Bring in this new president,
Speaker 5: Robert Pye, to clean up if the program. He was
Speaker 5: gonna clean up athletic and he gonna start out with
Speaker 5: the number one pick. I'm number one one pick. But
Speaker 5: I was a high school player of the year that year.
Speaker 5: And he called me and the coach, and my coach
Speaker 5: started crying like, man, what are you doing? Cause I
Speaker 5: had a couple of casts come see me play high
Speaker 5: school ball too, like Mavericks and Houston Rockets and all
Speaker 5: that used to come. So I'm like, no, coach, let
Speaker 5: that go. Let that go. We ain't worried about it.
Speaker 5: And Cat looked me in my face and said, man,
Speaker 5: we're not going to accept your score, and we don't
Speaker 5: think you can do the work. Here. Here come Junior garb.
Speaker 2: So from a small town in West Texas to Vegas.
Speaker 2: I mean, what are you when you get to Vegas?
Speaker 2: Hold are you putting pictures of Oh that's a nice
Speaker 2: that's a nicer plastic man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that great question.
Speaker 5: Shout out. Yeah, cut it out, cut it out, man,
Speaker 5: cut it out, cut it out.
Speaker 3: Oh bro, that was cold.
Speaker 5: What it's like you first, that's one of my coldest posters, man,
Speaker 5: and that's the only championship I ever won.
Speaker 2: And that's what I mean him, I mean and the
Speaker 2: rest of the guys with the friendship the city. I mean,
Speaker 2: like you said, you guys have something called Gucci role
Speaker 2: where every celebrity of everybody was like a professional game
Speaker 2: at your guys college games. And this is when I'm
Speaker 2: you know, ten eleven twelve, kind of really starting to
Speaker 2: get into basketball and I'm seeing it.
Speaker 3: What was the life like?
Speaker 2: Obviously incredible team, but what was just the as a
Speaker 2: student athlete from Texas to to Vegas in that fast
Speaker 2: lane with Tark and all the ship that comes to Vegas?
Speaker 3: What was that like for you?
Speaker 5: I tell people this all the time, and Audi, I
Speaker 5: get this question all the time because we're talking about Vegas, right,
Speaker 5: You're talking about some college dudes in Vegas who's at
Speaker 5: the top of popping.
Speaker 2: Bigger than anything else, though, like for you guys to
Speaker 2: understand it may not, especially the younger guys, they were
Speaker 2: bigger than any professional team.
Speaker 3: They were the biggest team. And like that you turned
Speaker 3: it in and you watch the running rebels.
Speaker 5: And when I get that question, I know you. I
Speaker 5: know what you want to mad, I'm here with you.
Speaker 3: It's yeah, we's pushing hand.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 2: So first and foremost, that happened, that happened, That happens,
Speaker 2: that's going to happen.
Speaker 5: But with them two dudes were squares. Ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Listen to them.
Speaker 5: Them to squares in college. Then't drink then smoke, just
Speaker 5: put him then just put it in basketball has it
Speaker 5: was the basketball court. Then I'm in the gym trying
Speaker 5: to find us one movies. You're home, let's get some
Speaker 5: need yeah, and then over and over and over. But
Speaker 5: we didn't do anything. Man, those were two squares. Man,
Speaker 5: I tell you two would have loved it because we
Speaker 5: had girg and it was all basketball. Coolst shit, it
Speaker 5: was all basketball. One of the one of the things
Speaker 5: I'm proud of. And I tell I said all the
Speaker 5: time my two years, I only went that for two years.
Speaker 5: I had access to at least four gym twenty four seven.
Speaker 5: Always hoop, always what about anything else?
Speaker 2: Like obviously, now the nil situation has come about and
Speaker 2: kids are starting to get paid in high school and
Speaker 2: college and so forth, But you guys are doing well.
Speaker 2: Back then weren't you that was so well, wasn't you? Man?
Speaker 3: That's what I that's what I want to hear. But
Speaker 3: I mean, I get the politically corrected.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: I want to talk.
Speaker 5: I want to talk that you know what. I can
Speaker 5: give you the real But I'm just stitching on myself.
Speaker 2: It's okay because it's it's not and it's not.
Speaker 3: It's not.
Speaker 5: If you're not incriminating nobody, you're good.
Speaker 2: Yeah you might be incriminating yourself, but you be all right,
Speaker 2: Oh that's that's not No, nobody's gonna get in trouble jail.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well I'm gonna tell the truth. Then, No, it's
Speaker 5: the truth. It's the truth. It's the truth. It's Look.
Speaker 5: Look what's happening. Good everywhere you good?
Speaker 2: Look story.
Speaker 5: The truth is watch. But it's the truth. I'm telling y'all,
Speaker 5: it's the truth. I was cheating, but only I was cheating.
Speaker 5: I had a I had an uncle in Dallas. Tax Yeah,
Speaker 5: paid for my court vett. He paid for my apartment.
Speaker 5: But I mean, obviously I got money a month. And
Speaker 5: that's the honest to guard truth. His name is Alex
Speaker 5: Mudd Gilliam mud gillim d called it mug Gill. He
Speaker 5: played for the gold tried it for a while. He
Speaker 5: was a motherfucker boy. He's not with us anymore. Shout out, Mud,
Speaker 5: shout out, Bud. I tell you I would have took
Speaker 5: that bag too, Mud. He took the bag. Now, he
Speaker 5: took the bag. But he stayed in the n C
Speaker 5: two A office too, because any time they came to me, man,
Speaker 5: you got my uncle, my uncle mug Gilling. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: yeah you and this yes, yes, it's my apartment right here,
Speaker 5: my uncle, my uncle, Lord gil Well. And he stayed in.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 5: He stayed in the investigation too. But he had no
Speaker 5: tires in rn l V. And he was messing with
Speaker 5: me since I was. He was my coach, since I was,
Speaker 5: watch what you say these days. Cut it out.
Speaker 3: This is l J.
Speaker 5: Cut it out, Cut it out, cut it out. He
Speaker 5: was my coach, and he was everybody coach. So he
Speaker 5: was just he was a basketball He coached at bout
Speaker 5: five high schools in Dallas. Texts he coached all black
Speaker 5: high school in Dallastics. Alex mug gillen uh and if
Speaker 5: you knew if if you was going anywhere, like if
Speaker 5: you going to Miami to play football, We got some
Speaker 5: dude from Dallas that we went to Minam. Play football,
Speaker 5: you go through mud Guillen. If you were going here
Speaker 5: to run track, you go through mud Gillen. If you
Speaker 5: were going to play volleyball, you go through mud guiller
Speaker 5: and you know, you go get perks.
Speaker 2: Now it's normal, but had nothing to do with you.
Speaker 2: Back then, y'all was really risking something though, like really
Speaker 2: risking something. I mean, you got him just in general,
Speaker 2: just getting getting a little bit of help. Like I said,
Speaker 2: this is the norm. Now are making hundreds and thousands
Speaker 2: upon millions of dollars, But it was a real chance.
Speaker 5: Back then, you were taking a real chance. Well it
Speaker 5: was investigating. I mean again, I was only there for
Speaker 5: two years, and I think I did six or seven,
Speaker 5: and I had to talk to these people. Man, they
Speaker 5: tried to give me one time for I went on
Speaker 5: the visit. And this is truth, this is this is
Speaker 5: this is the BS. They was doing the coach talk.
Speaker 5: They just wanted to get coach talk because he was
Speaker 5: sawing them. I went to practice, and you don't supposed
Speaker 5: to be on the court like a recruit. You don't
Speaker 5: supposed to be on the court with a coach practicing.
Speaker 5: So one of the assistant coach was gonna make camp
Speaker 5: play cleek cleek clear ever was he was our dude,
Speaker 5: little brother, little old brother. Man, you can't play, you
Speaker 5: can't play. It's supposed to be him. He can't play.
Speaker 5: And we was on the side go. He was trying
Speaker 5: to post me up. We was just you know, battling,
Speaker 5: and they tried to give me for saying I was practice.
Speaker 5: When I was on I was looking for any reason, huh,
Speaker 5: any reason anything. They put a camera up in our
Speaker 5: ceiling secretly. Yeah, the president of the school there.
Speaker 3: Man, he wasn't on the same page as you guys either.
Speaker 5: He wasn't on the same paper with Coach Talk because
Speaker 5: he wanted Coach Talk to hang out with this crew
Speaker 5: and Coach Talk hang He hung out with gangsters. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: East Castle was free. I mean, I'm a shout out
Speaker 5: to Mike Tony. Shout out to Mike Tony. Anybody ever
Speaker 5: seen the sopranos. He ideal to that motherfucker. Man, he
Speaker 5: could play that motherfucker. He was ideal to Tony soprano.
Speaker 5: Big No. He would come in to practice start and
Speaker 5: this is what we had, these phones, right, fellas them
Speaker 5: big big joints. The first Yes, he being a corner
Speaker 5: cussing motherfucking somebody out with a big old stoge in
Speaker 5: his mouth in the gym were practicing. I said, Yo,
Speaker 5: this dude hang out with thugs man. That's what I
Speaker 5: need to be. That's what I needed. And the coat
Speaker 5: and the President didn't like it. So President wanted him
Speaker 5: out of there. We wanted to get him, so they
Speaker 5: they put a here and cam up in our rafters.
Speaker 5: And this is what you uh. The n C two
Speaker 5: A we was trying to get us to. It was
Speaker 5: during that period where you can't be on the court
Speaker 5: practicing with a coach.
Speaker 3: Period.
Speaker 5: We had a towel and we took the town, big
Speaker 5: town and balled up in all the ankle paper, ankle paper,
Speaker 5: make it like a ball, and that was our ball.
Speaker 5: But it was just all defense with that. They was
Speaker 5: after us. They didn't want n C n C A,
Speaker 5: didn't want you and l V to be the darlings
Speaker 5: of college basketball, which is that's the way it was headed,
Speaker 5: you know, like the Dukes now and all that coach
Speaker 5: chalk was gonna build that, and they didn't want you
Speaker 5: in LV to be that bro Yeah.
Speaker 3: That's because it was a majority black. That's keep for real.
Speaker 5: The only reason cast with their shirt tails out and
Speaker 5: T shirts up. No, he didn't want that. Cast has
Speaker 5: come from you know, low incomes or projects like that.
Speaker 5: He ain't want that. All I do is was that.
Speaker 5: All I do is was that man uh hunt knife
Speaker 5: and we ain't gonna talk about your home. But that's
Speaker 5: how I got the un l V. You know, That's
Speaker 5: how I got the you and your elastic man. Yes, sir, sir, yes, sir.
Speaker 5: Coach talk like to take credit. He recruited me. But
Speaker 5: it was ice, you know when I went you know
Speaker 5: what I'm saying, the deal.
Speaker 2: So where did the gold tooth in the middle park
Speaker 2: come from? That?
Speaker 5: It was hard Souff Dallas Dixon Circle turb with Texas
Speaker 5: picture that Texas the picture man, I told you my
Speaker 5: best one. Gotta get your slug in Texas. That's look
Speaker 5: at the part down in the middle of y'all. Okay, yeah, okay,
Speaker 5: fuck cut it out, cut it out, cut it out.
Speaker 5: Classic what skined of ship? Let's go anybody right, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I've been there. No, No, that's a story behind that one.
Speaker 5: Why that's the story behind that one. That's that good rayon.
Speaker 5: That's a story behind.
Speaker 2: If you gotta explain, let me explain real quick.
Speaker 5: If you gotta explaining, I'm telling you.
Speaker 4: If your niggas had a Rayon shirt where you back,
Speaker 4: then it's just beautiful.
Speaker 3: What is that?
Speaker 5: What listen, that's a bad motherfucker though. I'm talking about
Speaker 5: the motherfucker the shirt.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 5: I think I just got drafted and I'm in the
Speaker 5: hotel and all I got is sweat. All I got
Speaker 5: is Swiss everyone and they said they're knocked on to
Speaker 5: do it about seven in the morning, said man, you
Speaker 5: gotta go take this. You gotta take this to go.
Speaker 5: I said, man, I ain't got nothing. If they can
Speaker 5: show the geens, you really be laughing like a motherfucker. Dee.
Speaker 5: Mother was like here that I got all of that,
Speaker 5: I got anything, you see? Said again, that's them doctors,
Speaker 5: them J C. Penny Special.
Speaker 2: So you so you were showing your angles.
Speaker 5: You see come from the gift shop, man, that kind
Speaker 5: you from the I went down there and bought that.
Speaker 2: So you put that ship together, then if that's the game,
Speaker 2: you put that ship together.
Speaker 5: Ship. This one, though, this one I just really got
Speaker 5: with fit and the shirt fit in the past. Then
Speaker 5: that's all I had. It was either that of sweat,
Speaker 5: so they wouldn't let me go do sweats so stupid.
Speaker 2: The inspiration from the Fab Five came from you. So
Speaker 2: when you sit back now and obviously a successful college career,
Speaker 2: successful NBA career, do you ever sit back and kind
Speaker 2: of be like, damn, like we really did kind of
Speaker 2: shape a whole era of basketball.
Speaker 5: It's hitting me now, it's hitting me now. I didn't
Speaker 5: it didn't. It don't really register for a minute because
Speaker 5: you just you're still in the moment, You're still watching
Speaker 5: ball or whatever. But the Fab Five, like you said,
Speaker 5: and then we've been mentioning more and more. Now it's like, yo, man,
Speaker 5: we did that. We did that, and it's just an
Speaker 5: honor privilege. I mean again, long as I can say
Speaker 5: I paved the road and made it better for the
Speaker 5: next generation. I'm proud of that.
Speaker 4: Nineteen ninety National championship. Talk about biggest blowout in the
Speaker 4: NCAA title game history.
Speaker 5: Talk about it. Did you hear the.
Speaker 4: Noise like the Black and White the robber? They tried
Speaker 4: to make it between you and and do yes, yes,
Speaker 4: it was good versus evil. You know it was these
Speaker 4: type titles. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but it were doing number five.
Speaker 4: It wasn't number five, thank you. That's and yeah, I'm
Speaker 4: just gonna stay on ninety. But I could have went
Speaker 4: into the next one.
Speaker 5: But it was fire. Yeah. We were just hungry, man.
Speaker 5: We was home. I want to smoke. Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: But this is the time where you don't have podcasts,
Speaker 2: you don't have social media to really speak your side.
Speaker 3: So you said you was about to go there. How
Speaker 3: did that make you feel?
Speaker 2: Because that shit is tough when they paint you one
Speaker 2: way and and and paint someone else the other way.
Speaker 2: But as a man, we can understand. But you guys
Speaker 2: are still in your young late teens, young early twenties.
Speaker 5: Well what's subtled me now? Because it was the nerves?
Speaker 5: Was there? The nerves was their first one up playing
Speaker 5: in championship. First year at un l VN. We were
Speaker 5: and people don't know this, we was picking number one
Speaker 5: at the beginning of the year. We dropped like three
Speaker 5: or four. Ear shot got us, shock got us with
Speaker 5: our Stacy and the LSU.
Speaker 2: But so there was something behind that story though, But
Speaker 2: wasn't It wasn't Stacey like pulled off a plane so
Speaker 2: talk to us so for.
Speaker 5: For a phone bill the year before when they was
Speaker 5: in Hawaii usually in uh college. I don't know if
Speaker 5: they did it when you when you guys had they
Speaker 5: would cut our phone off for every time you went
Speaker 5: on the road and cut the phone off because if
Speaker 5: if you have a bill, you gotta go pay it.
Speaker 5: Of course we you know, we wouldn't do that. But
Speaker 5: everybody had to sit out a game because of me.
Speaker 5: I mean except me, because I wasn't on the team
Speaker 5: the year before. No, I wasn't on the team. I
Speaker 5: probably would have set out too because I'd have been
Speaker 5: making calls. They was making calls back and forth, uh
Speaker 5: from you know, from Hawaii to they girls, and everybody
Speaker 5: the next year had to sit out a game but me,
Speaker 5: and they pulled stay huh.
Speaker 3: So they got in trouble for using the phone.
Speaker 5: Yeah and yeah. And they pulled Stacy argument off the
Speaker 5: plane while we was going to uh play Lsu told
Speaker 5: him he couldn't play. They would just pick a random
Speaker 5: player uh at whatever game, just whenever they wanted to. Yes, yes, crazy.
Speaker 5: And they put put my roommate off the plane when
Speaker 5: we was going over and I say, all the time,
Speaker 5: we would have won. They one of the greatest UH
Speaker 5: college game they ever played it. I remember the great
Speaker 5: ones because we had three four pros. They had three
Speaker 5: fourth That was h of Coase, Mick Mood, big shot,
Speaker 5: and what's the big fellow Stanley Roberts, Stanley Robbers Yeah
Speaker 5: so nice, yeah yeah, and that and they won that game,
Speaker 5: and like the last three, it went back and forth
Speaker 5: the whole game. My mom was at that game too.
Speaker 5: They drove up. I think what were l s U.
Speaker 5: I think it was like four hour drive from Dallas.
Speaker 2: If y'all would have bro y'all would have won. Y'all
Speaker 2: would have won the game with we.
Speaker 5: Were wanted with ice. I tell you why my mood
Speaker 5: killed us. I had shout out to Greg Aainst and
Speaker 5: won the greatest best college point guard I ever played with,
Speaker 5: I ever played with. And we started the game. In
Speaker 5: the first five minutes we balling, both teams balling, and
Speaker 5: Greg got tired. Shout out to Greg, but Mike moved.
Speaker 5: Listen said, Greg got tired. Greg got tired and needed
Speaker 5: a break. And when he took a break, I think
Speaker 5: my mood had like three four points. He took a
Speaker 5: break and he was out about two minutes. He when
Speaker 5: he came back in, he had like twenty He just
Speaker 5: went on and one jack three and one and won three.
Speaker 5: And by the time he threw Greg again, he's too hot.
Speaker 5: He threw him back hand. It was too Now. The
Speaker 5: reason I said we the one with Ice is because
Speaker 5: everybody know, I don't know if you know, Stacey won
Speaker 5: College Defensive Player of the Year.
Speaker 3: Two nine seven ft wingspan right, yeah.
Speaker 5: And whenever anybody on the perimeter used to get the toastingers,
Speaker 5: Greg couldn't handle a hunt, couldn't hand Hey, Ice.
Speaker 3: Do this, do this?
Speaker 5: Do this right here? Yeah, this dude right here and
Speaker 5: here to put Greg on my mood, I mean to
Speaker 5: put Ice on my mood. And I mean it's a
Speaker 5: different look, six y nine long, it's a different look.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I believe we'd won that game if Ice
Speaker 5: would have played.
Speaker 3: In ninety one final four.
Speaker 4: Y'all started thirty four, I know, before losing the Duke
Speaker 4: grand Hill Barba Harley, Christian Layman talk about that.
Speaker 5: Shout out to Duke.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: I played in it. I played in it, you know,
Speaker 5: And the only thing I can say about it, I
Speaker 5: say this all the time I lost the game. I
Speaker 5: lost the game, and I say it's a greg Ain't
Speaker 5: go bullshit Ice and everybody go bullshit. Now we did this,
Speaker 5: we did that. But being the number one playing college
Speaker 5: that year, everyone here, all the Sumore, I lost the game.
Speaker 5: I didn't play hard. I was out there Ladlergagon, you know,
Speaker 5: on seventy eighty percent, thinking we're playing somebody just beat
Speaker 5: about thirty the year before. But it was closed the
Speaker 5: whole game, and I wasn't. It wasn't with me. Were
Speaker 5: up four, we up five, then they're tied up. We go,
Speaker 5: we going that little run again. But I was loud again.
Speaker 5: I was thinking about the league. Yeah, man, I said
Speaker 5: this before. I'm not snitching him. I said this before.
Speaker 5: I always say I lost that game. And at the end,
Speaker 5: when I anybody else saw the end of that game,
Speaker 5: I know you two did right. Should I shot the ball? Absolutely?
Speaker 5: I should have shot the ball. Show point out, he's
Speaker 5: gonna send five men to the boards. Larry Johnson brings
Speaker 5: the ball up, looks like he wants to go all
Speaker 5: the way with it.
Speaker 2: He's outside now, stopping his trouble.
Speaker 5: Later on him Hunt will have to do something great.
Speaker 2: Hurley's coast up.
Speaker 3: I never heard that.
Speaker 5: I shout I should have shot at the bar. Choke
Speaker 5: say that all the time.
Speaker 2: Talk a little bit about you touched on it earlier,
Speaker 2: but just Tark versus the world, the mentality of the team.
Speaker 2: What kind of dude Tark was, How he captivated people
Speaker 2: just like you guys did as a team, and just
Speaker 2: how good you obviously his wife and everything.
Speaker 3: How good was he to you guys?
Speaker 5: Again, you're talking to someone who never met his father.
Speaker 5: So every coach was almost like, that's who's telling me
Speaker 5: what to do day in and day out, right, So
Speaker 5: as a man, so he was that and me and
Speaker 5: coach was real close. And I know people saying, yeah,
Speaker 5: he was a number one player on the team, but
Speaker 5: it don't matter who you are. When you see the
Speaker 5: way he treated people and treated you, that's what a
Speaker 5: respect comes in. Because he was bigger than we was. Now,
Speaker 5: now we were some bad motherfuckers and everybody loved the team,
Speaker 5: but coach talk was an outcome. You got to remember
Speaker 5: to everyone. Now, you guys, what the Raiders there? You
Speaker 5: got the girls team there, you got that bad as
Speaker 5: hockey team there, right, forget about it. When we was
Speaker 5: at UNLV. There was no professional team nowhere. It was
Speaker 5: just that in college right there. And that basketball team.
Speaker 2: How important is it too, because we do have some
Speaker 2: some high school kids and some college kids in that
Speaker 2: just falling in love.
Speaker 5: With the game.
Speaker 2: Obviously you're in UNLV, and like you said, the world
Speaker 2: was right there, but you really loved the game and
Speaker 2: talked about being in the gym all the time.
Speaker 5: How important was that aspect for you? It was very important?
Speaker 5: That's I mean, you know how when you love the game.
Speaker 5: These youngsters know how it is. When you love it,
Speaker 5: you don't never want to be away from it. And
Speaker 5: I saw an opportunity to get my moms no matter
Speaker 5: what we was in. You know, we all got that story,
Speaker 5: you know how that is. I was that dude, so
Speaker 5: and anybody again when you put up them two dude,
Speaker 5: that was wilder up. There was two squares. It was
Speaker 5: two squares. If it wasn't a female or gym or
Speaker 5: now you know, you only want to get something neat man,
Speaker 5: that's all we did. So if I if I had
Speaker 5: a coach that was like is that was? That was
Speaker 5: That's all the vision and it was gonna help me
Speaker 5: with it.
Speaker 4: Man, you know I took it drafted number one overall
Speaker 4: to the Hornets nineteen ninety one. Shortly after that, Grandmama,
Speaker 4: the character was born, old character.
Speaker 5: Check this out, y'all. Check this out. I don't put
Speaker 5: that ship up there. Check this out, yo. These are
Speaker 5: my new shoes for Converse. They're so light and so fast.
Speaker 5: My grandmama can whoop you on them. Grandma, let's go.
Speaker 2: What you.
Speaker 5: Remember. Can't beat what you can't catch, okay, Grannie, one
Speaker 5: on one man, You now a lucky shot, Grandma. That
Speaker 5: wasn't old lady who lived in a ship, a fresh
Speaker 5: little crib. You never brand space for this killing time
Speaker 5: and that shoe letter things that no man could do.
Speaker 5: She duke said.
Speaker 2: She cuts, she stopped staying at her track.
Speaker 5: She said, she sparsly has chumps on their backs, and
Speaker 5: who gets the credit? Some mother names you. Check you
Speaker 5: out your Converse, of course, and that new react. Oh
Speaker 5: y'all wrong for that ship, y'all wrong for putting it up,
Speaker 5: y'all wrong for clapping so so so.
Speaker 4: Tell us tell us the backstory behind that campaign and
Speaker 4: explain the felled bird magic commercial that was supposed to happen.
Speaker 2: Before you do that, real quick ever, But you got
Speaker 2: to think that I'm gonna put in context for those
Speaker 2: of you that may not have been around, so that
Speaker 2: at the at the time, MJ and Spike Lee were
Speaker 2: the only ones really commercials, right, they were the only
Speaker 2: ones doing commercial You came through and sign the biggest
Speaker 2: shoe deal from the history.
Speaker 3: On top of that, signed the biggest.
Speaker 2: NBA deal in history. So you was up there like
Speaker 2: MJ was a ship, but LJ was coming.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So take us back through that time.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's how many people can really say that,
Speaker 2: to take us back through that time and what it
Speaker 2: was like.
Speaker 3: And then Jack follow up with your.
Speaker 5: Question, Well, I tied in Sonny Vacab. We talked about
Speaker 5: him in the back. Anybody don't know Sonny viacav was
Speaker 5: this big time looking Yeah.
Speaker 3: He just did the movie Godfather.
Speaker 5: Yeah the movie yeah, yeah, Godfather?
Speaker 3: What was it?
Speaker 2: What was the movie?
Speaker 5: Air?
Speaker 2: That movie is about? If you have ever seen it,
Speaker 2: go watch that much shit was dope. But that's about
Speaker 2: sonnyca Sonny Vicab.
Speaker 5: We all knowing he was a UNLV rep, the Nike rep,
Speaker 5: and I WoT Nike all through school, all through junior
Speaker 5: colls Odessa. I was getting some Nikes.
Speaker 3: I's getting some Nikes as you should.
Speaker 5: Yeah, had little facts and at UNLV, I want Nikes.
Speaker 5: And like I said, Sonny was our cool dude. We
Speaker 5: used to go to Sonny crib me and Stacey and
Speaker 5: I got drafted number one. Uh. About two weeks later,
Speaker 5: I see I think it was Billy On signed a
Speaker 5: Nike contract. I said, oh, and Billy was drafted. Shout
Speaker 5: out to Billy. He wast out to the Q. Billy
Speaker 5: he was drafting number three and the Q's all Nike too.
Speaker 5: So Billy signed like two weeks later after we was drafted,
Speaker 5: and then I think Stacey signed. Then I think the
Speaker 5: Kim Base sign. Shout out to the Kim baby man.
Speaker 5: That hurt me. I was on the golf course. I stopped.
Speaker 5: I stopped. I was on the golf course and I said,
Speaker 5: I'm done rest in. Yeah, but I think the ken't signed.
Speaker 5: I ain't think malloy, I ain't think of Kenny Son.
Speaker 5: I don't think Kenny has signed. But he was number two.
Speaker 5: So a month go by and I'm talking to my agent.
Speaker 5: I'm going to say, man, what's Sonny saying about my contract?
Speaker 5: What's Sonny saying? And my agent them already know, but
Speaker 5: they don't want to tell me. They saying, but won't
Speaker 5: you call Sonny? Won't you call Sonny? So I called
Speaker 5: him and he just flat out to him. He said,
Speaker 5: l J. Nike, you don't think you're gonna be a
Speaker 5: good player. L J Nike, you don't think you're gonna
Speaker 5: be a good pro. I said what I said, don't worry,
Speaker 5: but say, I was a beast back there. Y'all can
Speaker 5: do this bullshit. We put the other one up. I was,
Speaker 5: I was there, you were for this. I was cool.
Speaker 5: It been in Nike your whole life. Kind of hit
Speaker 5: me like that a little bit, and then but we
Speaker 5: brushed that off.
Speaker 3: Cool.
Speaker 5: Cool. And then as soon as I told my hey,
Speaker 5: I said, say, man, say oh let's go. We got Converse.
Speaker 5: Won't you come? Like it was a setup like Converse.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, we're flying. And we flew from Dallas
Speaker 5: to New York the next day. But Converse was in Connecticut,
Speaker 5: and I think when we got like twenty miles from
Speaker 5: Converse station, all these Larry Johnson Converse sign welcome to
Speaker 5: I say, man, when they put this up.
Speaker 2: The billboard, the billboards.
Speaker 5: My sixth billboard man y'all. I feel like a setup,
Speaker 5: feel like set up, feel like a motherfuck set up.
Speaker 3: It felt good, though, felt good.
Speaker 5: Because Converse for to give me the biggest conch shoe
Speaker 5: count more than Mike at the time. I mean, the
Speaker 5: next year Mike did what he did. But uh, but
Speaker 5: at that time he set the standard. Yeah that right,
Speaker 5: Michael like, Yeah, go do your thing, bro, do your thing.
Speaker 5: Don't worry about I don't worry about.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: Did we hit the plant? We get in this plant,
Speaker 5: Converse plant. It's about two hundred, three hundred workers. They're
Speaker 5: all doing giving it to me and giving it to
Speaker 5: strokeing me like a mother. Larry Larry, Larry where And
Speaker 5: we went into the and I signed that day.
Speaker 2: Oh that is.
Speaker 5: Is that what you're talking about? Man? Is that that
Speaker 5: boy shit you talked about? That's you, that's you. Two
Speaker 5: hundred people what they doing they doing? People signed that day.
Speaker 5: We're right in the office. We're gonna get your U
Speaker 5: and we're gonna put you in the commercial. Told you
Speaker 5: I gonna tied in there. They say, this is what
Speaker 5: they say to me now, audience. They said we're gonna
Speaker 5: uh dam, I can't think his name is gonna come
Speaker 5: to me, this converse rep that's pitching this to me,
Speaker 5: he said. And they had two young boys doing their
Speaker 5: adver time they like twenty two twenty three white boys
Speaker 5: hair down to here. They were doing like the uh
Speaker 5: the air guitar. I said, oh shit, I'm in trouble.
Speaker 5: They doing their guitar. And now while we were side
Speaker 5: of this shit, and they say they over our marketing
Speaker 5: and they gonna put you in a commercial. I said, okay,
Speaker 5: what's the commercial? They said, The first commercial is we're
Speaker 5: gonna put you on a gurney. We're gonna cover you
Speaker 5: up and nobody can see you.
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: They said it's gonna be two doctors, one gonna be
Speaker 5: Magic Johnson and the other doctor gonna be Larry Bird.
Speaker 5: And at the time, if you can't remember, they both
Speaker 5: was in converse. They yeah, the one doctor Larry Bird,
Speaker 5: one doctor Magic Johnson. And they going a scalpel, oh this, ah, that,
Speaker 5: and they saying, ah, we finished, and they say the
Speaker 5: perfect basketball player. And then one of them say well,
Speaker 5: we got a name in and Larry say well, they
Speaker 5: ain't gotta be Larry. Then Magic say no Johnson, Larry Johnson,
Speaker 5: Larry Johnson, and I raise up. I raise up, miss,
Speaker 5: and the commercial os off Larry Johnson. Larry. Then I
Speaker 5: raise up and that's the end of the commercial.
Speaker 3: Right that would have been cold. Sign me up.
Speaker 5: God damn, that's crazy. They gave me a million signing bonus.
Speaker 5: Month later, I bought my mom house with a million dollars.
Speaker 5: So the million dollars gone, yeah, shout out doctor Johnson.
Speaker 5: Month later, we come on, now, come on that, we're
Speaker 5: out of there. Let's get something. Here's the million. A
Speaker 5: month later we do that, so season stuff. They come
Speaker 5: to me, you ready for the commercial? Yeah, I'm ready. Minute,
Speaker 5: the fella's ready. And another something to that story is
Speaker 5: one of them didn't want to do it. When I
Speaker 5: got to the set to do the commercial. Now, I
Speaker 5: ain't telling me nothing. I got to the set to
Speaker 5: do the commercial. I walked into my trade big time program,
Speaker 5: you know, like like in the movies. Everybody got it, Holly, Yes,
Speaker 5: everybody got a trailer. Oh, this is my trailer. And
Speaker 5: I see a dress a weig, I said, all listen
Speaker 5: in the coner, I said, hmm, where is my wardrobe?
Speaker 5: Bat I would do because I ain't bring none. They say,
Speaker 5: you ain't got to bring nothing. And that's all I
Speaker 5: see hanging up two or three dresses some wiz. I said,
Speaker 5: come on, man, and they came. They said, Larry, we
Speaker 5: want to They pitched this one to me. They pitched
Speaker 5: this one to me. Now then signed the millia and
Speaker 5: done and done. I said, what happened to the commercial
Speaker 5: with me and Magic? And Larry said, one of them
Speaker 5: didn't want to do it, one of them didn't want
Speaker 5: to do it.
Speaker 2: Wrong.
Speaker 5: No, No, I never knew which one didn't want to
Speaker 5: do it. I never knew which one of them didn't
Speaker 5: want to do it. Larry was my Larry loved me.
Speaker 5: Larry loved me.
Speaker 2: I ain't.
Speaker 5: I never knew which one didn't want to do it.
Speaker 5: Larry loved me. No, No, y'all getting what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 5: ro No, No, I mean facts, y'all get what I'm saying.
Speaker 5: Larry fuck with me. Okay, wait a minute, Larry fuck
Speaker 5: with me. The first game against Larry and and Hunt
Speaker 5: and Larry became cool. Sohn used to tell me that
Speaker 5: Hunt was in Boston training. Came to the last cut,
Speaker 5: to the last Anderson Hunt ladies and he was in
Speaker 5: their training. Came to the last cut and their first
Speaker 5: game was getting shot Charlotte and he was a proud
Speaker 5: He said, man, Magic, I mean, Larry, we're going. This
Speaker 5: is what I'm doing, your boy. This is what I'm
Speaker 5: doing your boy. The first game and he gave it
Speaker 5: to me. He gave it to me.
Speaker 2: But motherfucker though, he was a slow, bad, motherfucker bad.
Speaker 5: He was a slow He could play and he was
Speaker 5: old because he had a bad back. Because like two
Speaker 5: weeks later I gave it to him, but he had
Speaker 5: a bad bag. I said, huh, what y'all say? Oh
Speaker 5: this you motherfuck.
Speaker 3: Say you motherfucker, motherfucker.
Speaker 5: Yo, this is l J. Bro.
Speaker 3: I ain't never been cut out.
Speaker 5: I had gotta do.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, he had a bad back. Now I'm nineteen,
Speaker 5: I'm twenty, and don't come out here with that because
Speaker 5: you just you just toasted me the first game. How
Speaker 5: about that? Are we good? You just outscored me the
Speaker 5: first game? How about that?
Speaker 3: What was that payback?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 5: I had thirty five and like twelve, but it went
Speaker 5: so bad. I looked over and it was all in
Speaker 5: the paper. You know, you know how they do. We
Speaker 5: only had ESPN back then. It was like, you know,
Speaker 5: Larry having back here, shoe back here, shoe back. So
Speaker 5: I didn't think he was gonna play against us, and
Speaker 5: he did. And it was in Charlotte, and I had
Speaker 5: like thirty five and twelve, but like the fourth quarter,
Speaker 5: like he was trying to go. He was trying to go.
Speaker 5: Then the fourth quart I see him do like to
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, she is sub sub He went over
Speaker 5: there and you know how he didn't sit on the bench.
Speaker 5: He laid laid down. Yeah, and he let after Nabby
Speaker 5: take that punishment and whoever else that they threw it
Speaker 5: and that took that punishment because I gave it to him.
Speaker 3: So what was that transition like?
Speaker 5: Though?
Speaker 2: So you're preparing for the magic and bird shit, it
Speaker 2: doesn't go through you and this trailer, how are you
Speaker 2: at the time twenty twenty one? Yep, they got a
Speaker 2: dress and a wig? And for you, how did you
Speaker 2: buy into that shit? Because it became one of the
Speaker 2: greatest characters of all time? But how did you mentally
Speaker 2: get there?
Speaker 5: Quick?
Speaker 3: Motherfucking money.
Speaker 5: I ain't got the money quick, oh got the bundy.
Speaker 5: But and they sent the heavy hitters in there. Everybody
Speaker 5: that been cool my Asian, Oh man, he gonna kill
Speaker 5: Roger Morning Star, anybody nobody would converse. He was the
Speaker 5: converse wherever Roger Morning start. He was an ex baller,
Speaker 5: white guy by six. I remember used to play me
Speaker 5: one on one. I'm like, man, get your old ass
Speaker 5: off the cord. He would be trying to play hard
Speaker 5: too old ride. I think he had a little stand
Speaker 5: in the NBA, But Roger Morning started my age. They
Speaker 5: walked in there, man, and they got to talking to him,
Speaker 5: and you know, he's like, and they bring them young
Speaker 5: boys in there. They was pitching it.
Speaker 2: Oh the ar guitar, guitar, Hello, like man, Larry even
Speaker 2: butt head.
Speaker 5: He said, yeah, yeah, that's what I'm getting that these
Speaker 5: type of dudes.
Speaker 2: So I do.
Speaker 5: I was in trouble. They say say, Man, we wanna
Speaker 5: do something different from over. Man, got all these commercials,
Speaker 5: guys just dunking and doing this bad. We're gonna do
Speaker 5: something different. So man, whatever, I'm here and my mom,
Speaker 5: that's what I was gonna say. The first commercial was
Speaker 5: done at the high school in Dallas, and my mom
Speaker 5: was there. She got to see that, and she she
Speaker 5: she was laughing, just like you motherfuckers was. She was laughing,
Speaker 5: and she enjoyed it. So we did it for like
Speaker 5: three four years. But then I started telling them, like
Speaker 5: after about I think I had like a six year contract.
Speaker 5: So after like that fifth year, I under one Rookie
Speaker 5: of the Year played in the All Star Game, I'm
Speaker 5: going say, man, oh, let's do an LJ commercial. Now,
Speaker 5: my grandmama, we haven't success, but shit, I'm a motherfucker.
Speaker 5: Let's let's go on. Let's show that.
Speaker 3: Let me be myself.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know, big success, big success, and I
Speaker 5: don't regret it at all. I regret one thing. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna mess you all up now. I regret one thing.
Speaker 5: I was on Arkle with her Arkle Yeah, shout out
Speaker 5: family matters. Yeah, no, for the fuck y'all up. Y'all
Speaker 5: got the picture of family matters. No, no, no, that's enough.
Speaker 2: He said, that's enough that I turned down Martin.
Speaker 5: You turned down? Oh, grandmama, and what was Martin?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 5: No, no, did mama Mama pain, Mama pain, grand Mama
Speaker 5: and Mama I turned it down. I told you, I said,
Speaker 5: I told you I would fuck y'all up. I told
Speaker 5: you fuck y'all. That's the reason because because grand Mama, Okay,
Speaker 5: I was and I was studying telling cope the one
Speaker 5: thing you regrets.
Speaker 2: No, you don't know.
Speaker 5: I regret not doing markin. Yeah, I regret not doing yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I regret not doing mar Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes sir.
Speaker 3: That would have been legendary.
Speaker 5: That's it, Mama Payne and Grandmama. Yeah, I've regretted. I
Speaker 5: told you how the fuck y'all. Damn, I told you
Speaker 5: how to fuck y'all.
Speaker 2: So rookie year nineteen and eleven, All Star Starter, second
Speaker 2: year twenty two, eleven and four. Uh, and then you
Speaker 2: sign a crazy obviously money is astronomical right now, but
Speaker 2: you signed the biggest deal twelve years, eighty four million dollars.
Speaker 5: Okay, so what is that seven?
Speaker 2: A year seven, which is it's under a minimum right now,
Speaker 2: which is crazy, but it is the biggest deal in
Speaker 2: the league at the time.
Speaker 3: What are you thinking?
Speaker 2: What did you do with that first bit, that first
Speaker 2: when you signed, and that that big wire came through and.
Speaker 5: Hit that bank account? Listen? How many how many brothers
Speaker 5: you don't have on and not brothers, I guess sisters too.
Speaker 5: And here comes to cousins, best friends, best man. I
Speaker 5: barely know you of this and that and and I wasn't.
Speaker 5: We can get real. I'm not good with money. I'm
Speaker 5: trying to trying to be better, but I didn't do
Speaker 5: the right thing, which was, you know, took care of everybody.
Speaker 3: It's hard to say no, it's hard to say man.
Speaker 4: And and taking care of everybody is not a bad thing.
Speaker 4: So you know what I mean, that's that's not a
Speaker 4: bad thing at all.
Speaker 5: Man. Shout out to my knicks on that point right there,
Speaker 5: because if it wasn't for my knicks.
Speaker 2: Right now, I wouldn't be bro he said, you wouldn't
Speaker 2: be even wouldn't be Are they looking out for you?
Speaker 3: That's dope?
Speaker 2: Shout yes, sir, Yes, sir. Take us back to Charlotte,
Speaker 2: though Zoe comes the next year. You guys are the
Speaker 2: hottest ticket in town. Jerseys merch sold out arenas you
Speaker 2: guys are.
Speaker 5: You're all the jumping yep, Yes, indeed yep. And it's
Speaker 5: North Carolina, so it's the basketball state. And the first
Speaker 5: two or three years and even before me, I think
Speaker 5: they won attendance record over Chicago. But they had a
Speaker 5: they had like a what thirty forty thousand dollars arena? Uh,
Speaker 5: Charlotte did and sold it out every year get there
Speaker 5: and they we studied building Kndle before me Rex was there.
Speaker 5: These was height. I mean these was college start all Americans, correct,
Speaker 5: and so they had the hype and here I am
Speaker 5: coming from you and every we talked about it. One
Speaker 5: one go to part down middle right, Ready the ball,
Speaker 5: Ready the ball. So we had to see the mugs.
Speaker 5: I did I not mention Tyrone Muggsy boat Yeah, by
Speaker 5: ba this how this little motherfucker do me this? How okay?
Speaker 5: This is how mugs talked to me. Uh, halfway through
Speaker 5: my rookie year. It's between me and the Kim Bay
Speaker 5: Rookie of the year. He gonna come knock on my door.
Speaker 5: We on the road. He come, what a mother? What
Speaker 5: the mother? Before the games are because you're from Baltimore,
Speaker 5: so this is him. You want to win Rookie of
Speaker 5: the year? Young like, yeah, motherfuck, I want to win
Speaker 5: rook Out of the year. Big, I want to win
Speaker 5: rook Out of the Year. And for when he did that,
Speaker 5: I think I started averaging twenty five twenty six for us. Again,
Speaker 5: it was just coming. He's a bad dude. When when
Speaker 5: it come to that, it was just coming, man. It
Speaker 5: was just coming.
Speaker 3: That's the space jam picture.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh space yeah yeah, yeah, yeah here get it.
Speaker 3: Talked us about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, what you mean you're gonna get into what talk
Speaker 2: to us about space gym?
Speaker 3: And what was that?
Speaker 2: What that was?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 5: Can I tell y'all story? I hope y'all laughing? Then
Speaker 5: what was that called?
Speaker 3: Right there?
Speaker 5: That was that, your ladies and gentlemen. That was Michael.
Speaker 5: They built that because Mike, I think we was there
Speaker 5: a month a little over month. Mike was there the
Speaker 5: whole summer, so they built this like this is like
Speaker 5: a gym for him to practice in and get down in.
Speaker 5: And it was better than some arenas bro the showers.
Speaker 5: This was unreal. And there was ball games every day,
Speaker 5: and you know a lot of cats in LA, so
Speaker 5: they was coming down Reggie, you know. Uh And and
Speaker 5: you guys, see what's my big guy name, Sean Bradley.
Speaker 5: If you show that picture, guess who I hung out
Speaker 5: with for a month money had Sean Bradley was me
Speaker 5: and shun guess up Meat Muggs was hurt. Muggs was hurt.
Speaker 5: Muggs had just had knee surgery doing this whole If
Speaker 5: I don't know if y'all saw space. Yeah, doing this
Speaker 5: whole film. He was never walking. It's a scene where
Speaker 5: we was walking. They was pulling him on the trolley.
Speaker 5: He couldn't walk. They were pulling him on the Charlie mugs.
Speaker 5: So I couldn't hang out with mugs. He was just
Speaker 5: he was in the room all the time. Me and
Speaker 5: Sean was kind of hanging out. Man Sean Bradley. Yeah,
Speaker 5: good dude, good dude.
Speaker 2: What was it like though, I mean, that's that that
Speaker 2: movie that experience.
Speaker 5: Oh no, no, it's my story. So I had a
Speaker 5: fade right, I had for everybody? Got a ball heare
Speaker 5: mugs just got a red look cut. That's easy to do.
Speaker 5: And Pat you know who, you probably gotta work a
Speaker 5: little bit, but I don't work a little bit. Pack
Speaker 5: got what is that? What is that hot? What is
Speaker 5: that hot time? Pack got a hot time?
Speaker 3: But I had that's that Steve Harry Before Steve Harry
Speaker 3: put it.
Speaker 5: I had a blended fade right. And they had a
Speaker 5: tali in barber and I went there the first day.
Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, that's what he was. I went
Speaker 5: there the first day. I said, say, man, because they
Speaker 5: say you're gonna be here, and I said, can you
Speaker 5: do this?
Speaker 2: Oh, no problem, no problem, no prob up.
Speaker 5: About five days later, the same man getting a little bit,
Speaker 5: can you do this, and faded.
Speaker 3: No problem, no problem, no problem.
Speaker 5: About that tenth day when I went to get a cut,
Speaker 5: he started off with sizzles. He did all sizars. I
Speaker 5: know I'm fucked up. I know I'm fucked like. He
Speaker 5: was trying to fade me with sizzles brothers, and I'm like,
Speaker 5: I know I'm fucking He got me turned away from
Speaker 5: the mirror and it was like ten minutes, lady talking
Speaker 5: about I'm done. I turned around, had a bowl cut
Speaker 5: around my mother. This was a bowl bro. I say, man,
Speaker 5: I ain't And I went to my trailer and Muggsy
Speaker 5: Muggs little fucker ass. Muggsy cave it because they was
Speaker 5: waiting on me on set and Muggsy carry it there.
Speaker 5: He said said, man, we waiting on you, and he
Speaker 5: talked about her. The bust out laughing.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 5: I say, man, I ain't going it up. I ain't
Speaker 5: going it up. He said, all right, man. He went
Speaker 5: back there told every last one of the moutherfuckers that
Speaker 5: didn't cave it. I ain't never seen you like a
Speaker 5: drug like this before. He was on the floor.
Speaker 3: He was.
Speaker 5: They was giving it to me and T T. K. Carter.
Speaker 5: Anybody know him. He's one of the actors, man, he was.
Speaker 5: He was dudes on the he's one of the actors.
Speaker 5: They had about five or six actors there to try
Speaker 5: to teach us how to act in a short amount
Speaker 5: of time. But this dude TK Carter looked at me,
Speaker 5: said come on, LJ and took me to a barbershop
Speaker 5: right down the street and in fifteen minutes, dude blending me, yeah, brother,
Speaker 5: blending me.
Speaker 2: Fucked up for a minute.
Speaker 5: Though I ain't never seen Mike like that. I ain't
Speaker 5: never seen Mike and Charle id up like that. They
Speaker 5: was giving it to me all over my floor. I'll
Speaker 5: get your ass out of here.
Speaker 4: Shortt after he signed a big contract. You hurt your
Speaker 4: back and that changed your career forever. Talk about the
Speaker 4: effect of that injury and the process of trying to
Speaker 4: get back from it.
Speaker 5: Well, it goes back to that high school coach I
Speaker 5: was saying. That's another thing, youngsters. You're getting your job
Speaker 5: taken now by you know, foreigners right right, because you're
Speaker 5: not getting the fundamentals. You just want to run and
Speaker 5: jump and dunk on people. No, man, they got these
Speaker 5: seven footags coming over shoot threes and runners, and we
Speaker 5: didn't have that. I mean, now done took away the
Speaker 5: post game. But if I'm talking to the youngsters, man,
Speaker 5: it's about fundamentals. When you this age, it's cool to
Speaker 5: be athletic. You we want you to be athletic, but
Speaker 5: be able to shoot, pass and dribble with that athletics
Speaker 5: to them, right. So it took my high school coach,
Speaker 5: Like I said, member said earlier, when I left high school,
Speaker 5: everything else was easy. Everything un LV was teaching I knew,
Speaker 5: you know, except the meeb you know, everything everything Junior
Speaker 5: College was teaching I knew. I knew the fundamentals. So
Speaker 5: when I did hear my back because I was one
Speaker 5: of them running jump casts, I was one of them
Speaker 5: dunk on everybody and do that uh zions you know
Speaker 5: in that area. And uh. When I heard my back, man,
Speaker 5: I just went back to the fundamentals to start playing
Speaker 5: better defense, shot the ball better, you know what I mean?
Speaker 5: For a point play, I distributed the ball better.
Speaker 2: Was that In the simmies of the Eastern Finals, Simmis, Simmis.
Speaker 5: Simmis Simmis, Yeah, because when we beat them, Yeah, it
Speaker 5: was Indiana. It was Indiana, and that.
Speaker 2: It made a good catch.
Speaker 5: Johnson, Yeah, yeah, team was a long way from being
Speaker 5: over wash his street throw wash it street throw. Ain't
Speaker 5: no way that balls should have win the hole. Ain't
Speaker 5: no way that get out of my head. Boy, I
Speaker 5: got almost Ain't no way that should a way of
Speaker 5: the hull. Now, the three point I knew I was
Speaker 5: gonna make. I knew the play wasn't for me. The
Speaker 5: play was for Allen, and then the second was Spree.
Speaker 5: But I said two piss ass uh half ass screen
Speaker 5: to get back to the ball because I think I
Speaker 5: was three for three from three's that game and I
Speaker 5: I wanted that one. And before we walked that, Jeff
Speaker 5: drew up the play and it's Allen and Spree and
Speaker 5: he threw up to drew up the play and Marcus
Speaker 5: Marcus camping shout out to big EMC, grabbed me for you,
Speaker 5: went out and say you getting this ball. You know
Speaker 5: they gonna play that's that's Indiana. They gonna cut Allen
Speaker 5: is the first, Uh, the option. They just don't take
Speaker 5: that away and and they know spree was and they
Speaker 5: gonna take that away. But MC stopped me and said, man,
Speaker 5: you're getting this ball my hope. So so I knew
Speaker 5: the three was going in. But you saw that free throw.
Speaker 5: Ain't nowhere in the hell that ballo the way of
Speaker 5: the hull. I got that motherfucker out quick. I got said,
Speaker 5: I lets that motherfucker go get away. And that mother
Speaker 5: was the hold. But I knew I was gonna make
Speaker 5: my three. I know I was, Oh you get away
Speaker 5: from about even turn around. We weren't even look you
Speaker 5: get up talking about some good ship. Did you bring
Speaker 5: this ship up? Look it up? We want each other,
Speaker 5: look at over get it guy. See we were doing good.
Speaker 5: I wanted all to smoke. We was doing No. No,
Speaker 5: I ain't talking about here in the morning. I'm talking
Speaker 5: about the faith for whoever running this first hold on,
Speaker 5: whoever running this neither one of whoever running running.
Speaker 3: Back wanted to play.
Speaker 5: Look, I hain't no no watch with Jeff fall in
Speaker 5: the morning.
Speaker 2: And that's.
Speaker 5: If you get and that's old. I never knew that
Speaker 5: there was the first to do that.
Speaker 6: You hit him, chopped him, chopped it either want of him,
Speaker 6: you know, and look at Ben Gunny down at the bottom,
Speaker 6: up screams holding up.
Speaker 5: Thank y'all for coming out. We're gonna do this, motherfucker.
Speaker 5: I just felt I just never with a left did
Speaker 5: Jeff Bro, Jeff, I thought he just went down there. No,
Speaker 5: he sent the next day, went to practice. He had
Speaker 5: He says, what you trying to say? Shin shine up?
Speaker 2: And I didn't know till he said he So, you
Speaker 2: know you hit me? So y'all had you and Spree
Speaker 2: on the same team. Yeah, y'all was fucking Spree up.
Speaker 5: Spree went on that coaching coaches up.
Speaker 3: Y'all, fucking coachs up.
Speaker 5: That's crazy. I never knew you hit you, bro, that's
Speaker 5: my dude. Shout out just the trail. When Spree guy here,
Speaker 5: his locker was always by mind to practice on the road.
Speaker 5: They put Spree right by me. Yeah, I tell you
Speaker 5: you talked to I was captain and time man. I
Speaker 5: don't know what the fun to say. Spring Spree was
Speaker 5: a bad fucker and he came here. He was only
Speaker 5: but we always always knew wasn't nothing wrong with Spree.
Speaker 5: I mean, Spree was a cool dude. Uh, this is
Speaker 5: pro basketball now college basketball, so some of you guys
Speaker 5: can't do two men, which you know family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I'm not you know, I'm not saying. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying we all knew y'all have the special team though.
Speaker 2: Talk about that team and that bond y'all had.
Speaker 5: The same thing. It went back to the almost like
Speaker 5: the un l V days, Man, un l V days
Speaker 5: with those cats. Man, I love those cats. That uh
Speaker 5: you know, we used to chill.
Speaker 2: That's what that was.
Speaker 3: That square, That's what I'm going Square.
Speaker 5: I wasn't a square, okay, Yeah, yeah, the city got
Speaker 5: to me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, the city.
Speaker 5: No, I ain't gonna put that. I ain't gonna put
Speaker 5: that on you. You know what we get. It's all
Speaker 5: the smoke. I didn't drink. I was a square then
Speaker 5: spoke didn't drink. All I did was chase skirts. When
Speaker 5: did that stop? I got rook here of I got
Speaker 5: Rookie of Year, he says, Charlotte, I got Rookie of
Speaker 5: the Year. I'm on my way up and I heard
Speaker 5: my back in the summertime. Who facts facts? And the
Speaker 5: season starts and I'm not ready to play the season.
Speaker 5: But I come back and I can't play a lit
Speaker 5: That one of the legs was this one lonely was
Speaker 5: was sixty five percents less than this one. So I'm
Speaker 5: limping out there and we played Utah Jazz in Utah.
Speaker 5: Karl Malone. Now, the first two games my rookie year toasted.
Speaker 5: It gave it to him. And you know I'm coming
Speaker 5: out as a power forward. I uh cal alone, I
Speaker 5: gotta good at uh yeah, Barkley. I got those games.
Speaker 5: I was getting them eight to nine hours sleep getting
Speaker 5: ready for those games, because this is who I look
Speaker 5: to be. Like this to first two games. Charlotte, your honey,
Speaker 5: you're toasted in my brookie yar. We'll play him twice.
Speaker 5: You talked, Charlotte toasted. It came back that second year.
Speaker 5: I have no business out there, ladies and gentlemen have
Speaker 5: no been. He gave it to me. He toasted me.
Speaker 5: He toasted me. He toasted me. And I was that
Speaker 5: week that I took my first drink on every children,
Speaker 5: on my mom who's out here. That's when I took
Speaker 5: my first drink my sophomore year at Charlotte because I
Speaker 5: got toasted in a funk ad basketball. Yeah, my first drink.
Speaker 5: I listen when I say my first drink. I don't
Speaker 5: mean no. I did a wine cool little after the
Speaker 5: game one time. No, I did a why Am and
Speaker 5: my girl went out, But no, no me, it's ice
Speaker 5: to this day, this one don't do nothing. To this day,
Speaker 5: ice don't drink or smoke. Really don't do nothing. And
Speaker 5: that means don't do nothing. That don't mean birthday, No,
Speaker 5: we did. The first time alcohol all hit me was
Speaker 5: when I was weak after that Utah game. Man went
Speaker 5: out with one of the homeboys from the team and
Speaker 5: ain't gonna say who it is. I ain't gonna throw
Speaker 5: him out there like that, And I said, man, funk
Speaker 5: that funk. That funk that. I think, I fuck your head.
Speaker 5: I think I was crying because he toasted me. So
Speaker 5: high school in Texas, y'all wasn't drinking. No thunderbird and
Speaker 5: no ship like that they was. That's why we ain't
Speaker 5: win shit. We had all that no no, and then
Speaker 5: you know, and I think everybody else did. Were about
Speaker 5: the same age. But I used to get ass whoopings
Speaker 5: through at the Johnson. I used to get ass whoopings.
Speaker 5: So we stopped doing that. Getting ass whoopings.
Speaker 2: You was in a golden age of power forwards. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say some names. Just the first team to
Speaker 2: come to mind, Charles Barkley.
Speaker 5: Goat mmm.
Speaker 2: Wow. I like that.
Speaker 5: He always complained to me, man, he always complained me
Speaker 5: in the sawing. Uh he I saw different things. One game,
Speaker 5: he and I was out there coasting and I had
Speaker 5: a good bad a good back. At this time, I
Speaker 5: got like sixteen, so we guarding each other. The game
Speaker 5: was uh uh was wrapped. Larry Johnson versus Charles Barkley.
Speaker 5: I think it was my second year of the league,
Speaker 5: and I was no. Yeah, it was my second year
Speaker 5: in the league, and I was. I was me and him.
Speaker 5: He got about sixteen seventeen. I got about sixteen seventeen
Speaker 5: and it's the third quarter and he went to go
Speaker 5: up to shoot and lunso blocked it, threw it out
Speaker 5: of bounds. Get that fucking shit out of here, I said, no, no,
Speaker 5: just block the shot. Hit that boo week as ship
Speaker 5: out of there. He finished with close to forty. He
Speaker 5: put that big ass head down and I couldn't stop
Speaker 5: me Longo couldn't stop men study looking at it. Yeah,
Speaker 5: start nam man, I mean we was going at it.
Speaker 5: But once he had something to go for now, I
Speaker 5: mean here and I was chilling now LUNs on them
Speaker 5: through the dude ball I have been blocking shit and
Speaker 5: told him get that weak ass shit out of here.
Speaker 5: He went there and I couldn't go there. And he toasted.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I think he finished at thirty and he had like
Speaker 5: sixteen and a third or something like that. Dennis Robin ooh, homeboy,
Speaker 5: you know whe Dennis Robin's from right Sam Dallas. Yeah. Now,
Speaker 5: he had a sister named DEBRAA. Robin. She the best
Speaker 5: rebound in their family.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: She went to Louisiana Tech. Her name is Deborah Robin.
Speaker 5: Look her up. They said the day. This is the
Speaker 5: day and days where you look stuff up. She looked
Speaker 5: like him, she built like him. Her name is Deborah Robbins.
Speaker 5: She was a motherfucker. They when she was at Louisiana Tech.
Speaker 5: They I think they'd be Sheryl Miller them. Yeah, they
Speaker 5: was some. She was a beast. That's the best rebound
Speaker 5: in the family, Debora Robbing.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So and yeah, me and were from the same neighborhood,
Speaker 5: Me and d un Dennis Robber. He was a little
Speaker 5: bit ahead of me. We used to call him worm.
Speaker 5: He used to call him cartoon. He had these earls
Speaker 5: and uh yeah, And he didn't started playing basketball until
Speaker 5: like junior college. That's when he started playing basketball. We
Speaker 5: lived in the same community. He got put out of
Speaker 5: his house one time, like sixteen. Mom put him out
Speaker 5: and he was he was staying in the Mom didn't
Speaker 5: put him out, send him over to his grandmother, and
Speaker 5: he didn't go. And he was living in the uh
Speaker 5: in the in the park for like a week until
Speaker 5: the grandmother. Boy, bring your ass on. That's Dennis Robin.
Speaker 5: That's crazy. Anthony Mason shout out to base beas beas
Speaker 5: can drivel past shoot said, it took me a year
Speaker 5: or two to get to that because I used to
Speaker 5: toast the Knicks. That's why they traded for me when
Speaker 5: I came here. But it took a while for me.
Speaker 5: And when when Mace got his own, oh he was
Speaker 5: like a different player when they traded me for Mace
Speaker 5: and Mason. You know, mason't have to deal with Patrick
Speaker 5: Ewing and you know me a john starts shooting the
Speaker 5: ball every time he touched it. That's my dude, that's
Speaker 5: my dude. That's my dude. And Mace had his own.
Speaker 5: He became that player. He was that dude man.
Speaker 2: Sean Kempon just saw my dude, just saw rain, just
Speaker 2: saw rain.
Speaker 5: We was all dream Team two together, so everybody could
Speaker 5: get about dream Team too. Well, we were some motherfuckers too. Yes,
Speaker 5: that was some of the best. Oh my god, dream
Speaker 5: Team too.
Speaker 3: Who was on that team?
Speaker 5: Remind us shat me? Uh DC, he said, Sean Thron.
Speaker 2: The band Dominique Wilkins, Right, Dominique, Dominique.
Speaker 5: We went out every night. Hey, we went out every night. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't have I wasn't square then, man couldn't be No,
Speaker 5: I wasn't bought and I was hanging out with d
Speaker 5: C and uh, what's what point?
Speaker 2: God?
Speaker 5: Michigan State, Stevie the Detroit motherfucker. I was had the
Speaker 5: Detroit butther as Sean as Shawn Man oh Man, oh Man.
Speaker 5: We played college team. We played the college team in
Speaker 5: Golden State because the coach was Golden State. Don Nelson
Speaker 5: was the coach. It's coming to me, Bro, it's coming
Speaker 5: too me. Don Nelson was coach. So we played the
Speaker 5: college team and Golden State and they said, all right,
Speaker 5: we're flying to Toronto. Uh bus leaving at seven o'clock
Speaker 5: in the morning. Yeah, fucking right, no way. Nobody. Coach
Speaker 5: Don the Netson wasn't on it either, Yeah, nobody. So
Speaker 5: it's about four o'clock in the evening, they banging over.
Speaker 5: I finally got it, you know, right to answer the mud.
Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, man, yeah, I said, man, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna get my own plane. I forget my own player
Speaker 5: to he said, no, don't worry about don't worry about
Speaker 5: we leaving at eight tonight. Like there you go, there
Speaker 5: you go. So whatever they had for us to leave
Speaker 5: that morning, man, nobody made that play. But we beat
Speaker 5: everybody about like thirty something too. I think we won
Speaker 5: one or two games, like seventeen eighteen. But we big Shock,
Speaker 5: big Shock, you know. And that's when Shack was Shack.
Speaker 2: What was prime Shock, Like I don't think yeah, yeah, yeah, no.
Speaker 5: They don't. We look at Shack now, and you know,
Speaker 5: some other things doesn't happen in the league. And no,
Speaker 5: and he was unstoppable.
Speaker 3: He was that big.
Speaker 5: He was just that big. And he developed a couple
Speaker 5: of little old jump hucks like nice touch. I used
Speaker 5: to kill him all the time. Me and Shock knew
Speaker 5: each other from college and we've done hung out in
Speaker 5: college before, so I used to kill him all the time.
Speaker 5: Like right for the game, I grabbed it. I'm like, motherfucker,
Speaker 5: you're best playing our league. Man, learn how to shoot
Speaker 5: free throw because I know we finish foul and we
Speaker 5: finished shock. What is that called?
Speaker 3: What we used to do?
Speaker 5: That hack a shaq and then you try to fight
Speaker 5: when you do that too. So before the game saying, man,
Speaker 5: you need to learn how shot freet through and I'm wanting, yeah,
Speaker 5: we're gonna hacker shock you, but I'm gonna have to
Speaker 5: hacker shock you. And we was always close, but I
Speaker 5: would say say, man, you're the best player in our league,
Speaker 5: and we can go down here and get a dude
Speaker 5: that work at the Chicken shock who played high school
Speaker 5: ball two or three years ago and a little bit
Speaker 5: of this little back still play on the weekends, who
Speaker 5: shoot free throws better than you, And you're the best
Speaker 5: player in our lead work on your fuck the free throe, bro.
Speaker 2: But he was a beast man. Well, man, we've appreciate
Speaker 2: your time. Tonight, We're gonna end this with some quick hit.
Speaker 2: It's the first thing to come to mind. Let us
Speaker 2: know one album with those skips.
Speaker 5: Oh oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you you on. No, no,
Speaker 5: because I'm proud of the old list in here. So
Speaker 5: you know, Anita Baker, no skips.
Speaker 3: He told y'all you love basketball and women.
Speaker 4: Next question and since we talking about well, who was
Speaker 4: your childhood crush?
Speaker 5: Probably all of them?
Speaker 3: Was that?
Speaker 5: Yeah? That that got me over here? Right?
Speaker 7: Uh?
Speaker 5: Jasmine God a different world? Yes, Lord, yeah.
Speaker 3: God?
Speaker 5: Yeah, she in the city. Jah, what up? Jazz is married?
Speaker 2: Is married. So there was a rumor that that ninety
Speaker 2: fourteen that Dream Team too was what by the media.
Speaker 3: They said. They said, y'all was too cocky. We were,
Speaker 3: y'all was feeling yourself as you should, as we should.
Speaker 5: We did a walk out, you know, y out. You
Speaker 5: played in a couple of those old USA teams, but
Speaker 5: you know before.
Speaker 2: The I watched them and smoked. I didn't play on
Speaker 2: none of.
Speaker 5: We smoked and were to walk out. How they walk
Speaker 5: out all the teams and all the athletes and we
Speaker 5: walked past.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 5: I think it was a Canadian team, Correct me if
Speaker 5: I'm wrong. Canada. But they was like, man, we can
Speaker 5: beat them. They're not Dream Team too, we can beat them.
Speaker 5: And we all heard that and we all and you're
Speaker 5: getting you're dealing with d c me sean like what okay?
Speaker 5: All right, all right, and we we beat everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 5: we beat everybody.
Speaker 2: As you should.
Speaker 5: Guilty pleasure. That's fucked up. Huh. I need to stop drinking.
Speaker 2: That's a guilty pleasure. A few drinks here and there
Speaker 2: and nothing wrote that. Uh cosamigos for the wind. Uh
Speaker 2: five dinner guests dead or alive? You plus five at
Speaker 2: the dinner table, dead or alive?
Speaker 5: So four?
Speaker 3: No? You plus five?
Speaker 5: All right? All right, all right? Unrule Lijah Muhammad, Muhammad, Ali,
Speaker 5: Richard Pryor, Red Fox. I knew Red Fox, everyone I knew.
Speaker 5: I knew my brother Red Fox. Oh Man, that last spot,
Speaker 5: oh Man, Mon Dukes, Duke, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: The one person you met, you were in awe of.
Speaker 5: Joy. M J damn something about him? Facts facts.
Speaker 4: If you could see one guest on our a show,
Speaker 4: who would it be? But but you have to help
Speaker 4: us get your answer on the show. Like a motherfucker.
Speaker 4: I fuck with y'all.
Speaker 5: I fuck with y'all. I fuck with y'all.
Speaker 2: Y'd old mighty, oh pee wee, we already had Zo,
Speaker 2: we had Zoe spree. Well, Houston, spree, y'all, we had,
Speaker 2: oh little trail, nigga, don't watch the show.
Speaker 5: We had old already nigga.
Speaker 3: He said, look, he hey, he said, spree. Well, you're
Speaker 3: gonna help us get him, sir.
Speaker 5: We we get him. I'm coming back. Yeah, hell yeah, deal,
Speaker 5: make it a reunion, Make it a nice reunion. God
Speaker 5: damn right. Well, l J.
Speaker 2: Man, we want to thank you first and foremost coming
Speaker 2: out tonight. But what you meant to us?
Speaker 5: Man? Oh ship? What is it?
Speaker 3: Birthday cake?
Speaker 5: They got weed in it and we get everybody stand up?
Speaker 5: Everybody stand up right now. We celebrating five years. Five years.
Speaker 5: Everybody stand up.
Speaker 3: Everybody stand up.
Speaker 2: Thank you, man, appreciate that, Thank you, ladies, appreciate that
Speaker 2: five years.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Guys, Like we said, man, thank you guys for coming out.
Speaker 3: We appreciate you, LJ.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you.
Speaker 3: Baby, given on one more time for LJ. Good luck
Speaker 3: this year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm be. We got fan questions. We got
Speaker 2: some fan questions, all right, my bad ship, my fault.
Speaker 3: Who wants to ask a question? Where we at?
Speaker 5: Right here?
Speaker 3: Go ahead? You want to come back, Okay, y'all want
Speaker 3: us to come back. Huh okay, right here.
Speaker 5: When you came to New York, how was it dealing
Speaker 5: with Anthony?
Speaker 3: How was it?
Speaker 2: How was it with Anthony Mason when you came.
Speaker 5: After we retire? And oh they built that up for
Speaker 5: me and Mace and uh if you remember that year
Speaker 5: Charlotte beat us three out of four times. We played
Speaker 5: them four times, they beat us three out of four times,
Speaker 5: and they lost like the last four or five games
Speaker 5: to play us in the playoffs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was real.
Speaker 5: It was serious. And they got swept.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so hold on, it wasn't the regular season three.
Speaker 5: None, they got swept yea and yeah yeah, but I
Speaker 5: think Charlotte was happy with with the trade and New
Speaker 5: York is happy.
Speaker 3: With prime sweating. What's up?
Speaker 5: How you felt when you played up and coming five?
Speaker 5: Never played them? Never played them? Missed, never played them?
Speaker 5: You say missed?
Speaker 2: He said, when they see Jersey and the rafters of
Speaker 2: the in the.
Speaker 5: Garden, you're talking about the garden, real talk. When I
Speaker 5: see Clyde and I don't deserve that. I don't deserve that, bro.
Speaker 5: I appreciate that love, maam, thank you, But nah man,
Speaker 5: with what's going up there. Oh man, stop it for real.
Speaker 5: Go ahead.
Speaker 7: Well, I just want to ask the question. And you
Speaker 7: said something that was very very important. You said in
Speaker 7: high school you had to learn the fundamentals. Right, So
Speaker 7: now we playing ote, we all over social media, our
Speaker 7: team plays everywhere, and now guys don't play towards the
Speaker 7: fundamental they play towards the clicks.
Speaker 5: They play towards the likes. Right.
Speaker 7: So unfortunately the high school coach has the tough job
Speaker 7: of trying to put in these fundamentals. I love them,
Speaker 7: but we fight every day. What the truth of the
Speaker 7: matter is, is this what advice? Because when they see
Speaker 7: y'all three up here on stage, they are motivated, they
Speaker 7: holding on to it. What advice could you give the
Speaker 7: youth who's trying to get through this time which is
Speaker 7: very very different where you just talked about you have
Speaker 7: to buy your mother's house, You have to strive for
Speaker 7: different things. Some of these kids, they don't have to strive.
Speaker 7: Some of them are making money off of their likes
Speaker 7: and it ain't really about the game. And they don't
Speaker 7: really love her like that.
Speaker 5: That's a problem. So what would you say, say they
Speaker 5: don't love they don't love it like that did you
Speaker 5: just say that that. Yeah, you can build a nice,
Speaker 5: cool high school player and make all city or all district,
Speaker 5: But we had a lot of all cities and second
Speaker 5: team all districts. They ain't going nowhere. You gotta have
Speaker 5: it in your heart. And it starts with the coaches
Speaker 5: and brother sounds. I don't know, brother, but he sounds
Speaker 5: like he knows what he's talking about. Definitely sound like
Speaker 5: you're dealing with something, right, So he wouldn't ask to
Speaker 5: the question if he wasn't dealing with nothing. He wouldn't
Speaker 5: ask the question if he wasn't dealing with nothing. But no, man,
Speaker 5: you gotta trust your coach. You got to buy into
Speaker 5: your coach, coach your system. That's what happened at U
Speaker 5: n LV. Whatever coach talk, run through that wall. We
Speaker 5: were trying to run through the wall because we knew
Speaker 5: he loved us. We knew it for our best interest.
Speaker 5: I mean, long as it's for your best interest. Think
Speaker 5: about it, it's your coach. Why wouldn't you listen and
Speaker 5: do what the coach say. Who you're gonna listen? You
Speaker 5: go click up. You're gonna click up, man, fuck you
Speaker 5: gonna click up.
Speaker 3: Definitely, No, man, you just have to realize to go ahead.
Speaker 5: No, I was never that player. I was never that player, youngsters,
Speaker 5: And you know I did all right, I did all right.
Speaker 5: But just look at that.
Speaker 2: It just depends on where you're trying to get to.
Speaker 2: I mean, the clicks is the only get to get
Speaker 2: you so far. Playing for that is only with you
Speaker 2: to so far because other people are playing for their
Speaker 2: lives and trying to make it.
Speaker 3: So That's why I think one.
Speaker 2: Question came in though, you go, are you guys doing
Speaker 2: anything with the UNLV team, You guys doing any kind
Speaker 2: of docs or movie or anything with the UNLV team.
Speaker 5: We got a documentary coming out. Oh yes, sir, we
Speaker 5: got a documentary. It's called I think we King of
Speaker 5: Vegas right now, King of Vegas King. Like I said,
Speaker 5: when we was there, there was no professional team nowhere.
Speaker 5: It was only about that school in that team. And
Speaker 5: the documentary should be a twenty twenty five and we
Speaker 5: got everybody. We got the whole squad back, whole squad back,
Speaker 5: everybody but Coach Talk used to Coach Talk, but his wife,
Speaker 5: his wife, lords his wife, Miss Tarkain. She did the
Speaker 5: document herself.
Speaker 2: It's pretty good man looking forward hell man, we appreciate
Speaker 2: you again. Thank you guys for coming out.
Speaker 3: Man, appreciate you, guys, Thank you, thank you. Pick up
Speaker 3: that coffee.
Speaker 2: Table book coming out tomorrow, Grab that and ship We'll
Speaker 2: be back.
Speaker 3: Man.
Speaker 2: We appreciate you guys. Thank you guys for coming out tonight.
Speaker 2: Get home safe