Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Davetash Podcast.
Speaker 1: I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster Dave patsch.
Speaker 1: Our guest this week is first year Cardinals offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: Drew petsingh Drew's a young guy in his mid thirties,
Speaker 1: but he's been in the league for a decade. Prior
Speaker 1: to that was in the IVY League. Get both Harvard
Speaker 1: and Yale. We'll talk about the experience with those schools.
Speaker 1: We'll also talk about the influences on his career like
Speaker 1: Norv Turner and being a first year play caller. Drew's
Speaker 1: still uncertain as to whether he's going to call plays
Speaker 1: from the field or from the booth.
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to try both kind of flip
Speaker 2: flop during preseason to feel where I'm more comfortable, to
Speaker 2: see where our communication as a staff is better, see
Speaker 2: where my communication with the players is better, and then
Speaker 2: move forward in that way.
Speaker 1: We'll also talk with Petsing about what to expect from
Speaker 1: the offense in terms of how we'll look with Cole
Speaker 1: McCoy as opposed to how it will eventually look with
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. As the team games quarterback. We are presented
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Speaker 1: chat with our guests for this week. Cardinals offensive coordinator
Speaker 1: Drew Petsing, first coach, give me a sense of how
Speaker 1: camp's been. Is it what you expected? I know we're
Speaker 1: recording this in a day where we're in pads and
Speaker 1: it's the first time we've done this. But is it
Speaker 1: what you thought so far?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. I think it's been a lot
Speaker 2: of fun. I think these guys that really come in
Speaker 2: and committed themselves to working hard and doing things the
Speaker 2: way we want, and it's been fun to see that
Speaker 2: kind of play out on the field and obviously today
Speaker 2: putting on the pads for the first time. I think
Speaker 2: guys are pretty excited to go play football, and certainly
Speaker 2: just in terms of getting into the hotel, getting used
Speaker 2: to the stadium, the travel, the schedule has been new,
Speaker 2: but I think for the most part, it's been what
Speaker 2: we want it to be. It's been pretty fun.
Speaker 1: Take me back to when you got offered the job
Speaker 1: three years in Cleveland. You were in Minnesota prior to that,
Speaker 1: Cleveland even before then, but obviously the relationship with JG
Speaker 1: was from Minnesota. When you got the phone call. Is
Speaker 1: it something like you guys had already talked about, Hey,
Speaker 1: if you get a gig, you know I'm gonna make
Speaker 1: you mioc You're gonna call plays if I get a job.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's anything ever like that. I think
Speaker 2: it's more the conversations, especially when we were assistants in
Speaker 2: the same building, of just like, hey, how would you
Speaker 2: do this? What would you do there? Is this hard
Speaker 2: on a defense? Is that hard on an offense? Like
Speaker 2: if you were going to do it, how would you
Speaker 2: do it? So I think you have a lot of
Speaker 2: those conversations as a young coach because it's fun. You're
Speaker 2: around guys doing it different ways. You're seeing different systems
Speaker 2: and things that you like and things that you don't like.
Speaker 2: So you have a lot of those conversations. And then
Speaker 2: I think when we kind of went our separate ways
Speaker 2: there when Jaju went to Indye, you just kind of
Speaker 2: stay in touch. You're playing the same teams. We actually
Speaker 2: played them that first year when they were in Indie.
Speaker 2: They came to Cleveland in twenty twenty. So you stay
Speaker 2: in touch, you catch you up, you watch football together,
Speaker 2: you see each other in the off season, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of one of those things. I think the year
Speaker 2: before when he started interview and he's like, hey, just
Speaker 2: be ready to go, like have your system, be ready
Speaker 2: to interview. Know what you wanted to be like, and
Speaker 2: you know, you'd certainly be a high on my list
Speaker 2: of guys I'd want to consider, and I would expect
Speaker 2: you to be ready, and I you know, I would
Speaker 2: have been ready before he said that, obviously, because it's
Speaker 2: something you're always hoping to have the opportunity to do.
Speaker 2: So I think it's it's more that than it is like, Hey,
Speaker 2: if this happens, we're going.
Speaker 1: So you get the call how did the conversation go?
Speaker 2: It was it was exciting. I mean I was excited
Speaker 2: for him first. You know, the first call is like,
Speaker 2: hey man, I got the job, and I'm just like, hey, that,
Speaker 2: you know, congratulations, That's obviously a huge opportunity, something he's
Speaker 2: worked extremely hard for and really wanted to take advantage of.
Speaker 2: So it was fired up for him. And then I
Speaker 2: think the next card goes, hey, here you know, here
Speaker 2: are the next steps. Here's kind of the timeline, and
Speaker 2: here's what you need to be ready for, and let's
Speaker 2: put your best foot forward and see what happens.
Speaker 1: So when you got into this, are you a goals guy?
Speaker 1: Like do you write things down to this is what
Speaker 1: I envision for myself? Or are you a go with
Speaker 1: the flow see what happens.
Speaker 2: I think somewhere in between, I don't think I've ever
Speaker 2: I don't have a list anywhere of like here's what
Speaker 2: I want to hit, here's when I want to hit it,
Speaker 2: those type of things. You know. I know some people
Speaker 2: do that, but I do think when you get into it,
Speaker 2: I think your first goal, especially mine when I got
Speaker 2: into coaching, was like can I make a living doing this? Like?
Speaker 2: Is this a plausible career path, especially when you're first
Speaker 2: coming out of college and then when it started to
Speaker 2: look like it might be I think that's when you
Speaker 2: start to see the guys that you're around and the
Speaker 2: quality of life they have and the things they do
Speaker 2: on the day to day and try to identify, Hey,
Speaker 2: what do I want to do? How do I want
Speaker 2: to do it? And you, I think in the back
Speaker 2: of your mind you're always preparing for the next step,
Speaker 2: but not at the expense of doing the job you have.
Speaker 1: Are you what drives you? Is it the x's and o's,
Speaker 1: Is it the relationships? Is it leading a team? Because
Speaker 1: every coach is different. And I've seen guys like, for example,
Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, who I've known for a long time, obviously
Speaker 1: not just from here, but doing his games going back
Speaker 1: to an M Johnny Manziel's year or even at Houston,
Speaker 1: and Cliff x's and o's was his big thing, Like
Speaker 1: dealing with the boosters, that's not what he wanted to do.
Speaker 1: He wanted to coach ball and to think about calling plays.
Speaker 1: Some guys, you know, they're not as focused on the
Speaker 1: x's and o's. I mean, it's obviously part of every
Speaker 1: coaching job, but relationships, communication, leadership, motivational speaking. A lot
Speaker 1: of guys that's their strength. What would you say is
Speaker 1: your strength? What's your passion? Yeah, it's a great question.
Speaker 1: I think it's something that probably changes and tweaks itself
Speaker 1: over the course of somebody's career in lifetime. You know,
Speaker 1: I think one thing that always resonated me and I remember,
Speaker 1: I can't remember the first time I saw it, but
Speaker 1: it's a video of Brett Favre talking after his career about,
Speaker 1: you know, his memories and some of his great moments,
Speaker 1: and you know he's sitting there and he's like one
Speaker 1: of the things He's like, the thing you never forget
Speaker 1: is like the moments with your teammates, like celebrating with
Speaker 1: your teammates, being with your teammates. So I do think
Speaker 1: they're relationship. Part of it is big because I think
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the game will move
Speaker 1: on without us. But I think a lot of those friendships,
Speaker 1: those relationships, those connections are pretty special, and I think
Speaker 1: those are what you really remember when you walk away.
Speaker 1: When I look back at previous places I've been, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember a couple games, but I remember the people
Speaker 1: I work with.
Speaker 2: I remember the people in the building. I remember some
Speaker 2: of the emotions and the relationships that were developed. So
Speaker 2: I do think that's a big part of my passion
Speaker 2: and part of who I am. And I certainly love
Speaker 2: the x's and o's. I think the scheme aspect of
Speaker 2: the game, the chess match, the give and take, the
Speaker 2: back and forth during the course of a game during
Speaker 2: the week, the game planning is kind of fun. So
Speaker 2: I'd say those two are the biggest components. But I
Speaker 2: think everything you just hit on plays in a little bit.
Speaker 2: But if I was to narrow it down to two,
Speaker 2: i'd say the relationships one, and the game itself too.
Speaker 1: And I want to get more into the x's and o's.
Speaker 1: But I'm curious because I went to Syracuse, which is
Speaker 1: widely known as the Harvard of Central New York. But
Speaker 1: you actually were at Harvard and you were at Yale.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine that there are many coaches to be
Speaker 1: at both Harvard and Yale. What was that experience like
Speaker 1: and how much did that impact you as a coach.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it had a big impact to me.
Speaker 2: And it's funny, actually, the head coach that brought me
Speaker 2: to Yale, was an assistant at Harvard. Actually went Yale,
Speaker 2: Harvard Yale, so he did it multiple times. But I
Speaker 2: would say it is pretty rare. Was on both sides
Speaker 2: of the game, which was fun. It was my first
Speaker 2: job out of college. So I you know, I graduated
Speaker 2: in twenty two thousand and nine, and I think I
Speaker 2: graduated on Sunday. I think I walked into a staff
Speaker 2: meeting on Tuesday morning at Harvard. I was unpaid, but
Speaker 2: it was twenty minutes from my house. It was an
Speaker 2: opportunity to get my foot in the door. And I
Speaker 2: hadn't been at football at that level, was very green,
Speaker 2: and uh just I was on defense because that's what
Speaker 2: I played in college, and just like immediately fell in
Speaker 2: love with it. Just again, the relationships, the staff meetings,
Speaker 2: the grind, the sport, it was it just it was
Speaker 2: so fun and you were getting paid and at that
Speaker 2: point I wasn't. I was like, Wow, if I could
Speaker 2: get paid to do this, this would be unbelievable. And
Speaker 2: I think that level was a great You know, played
Speaker 2: D three ball where you know, very few people are
Speaker 2: going to the NFL. Steve Houska, I came out of Milbury,
Speaker 2: but other than that. It wasn't like everyone's like, Hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to graduate from Middlebury and then I'm going
Speaker 2: to the league. So I think I you know, my
Speaker 2: love of the game grew around guys that were in
Speaker 2: it strictly for the love of the game. There wasn't
Speaker 2: a monetary component tied to it. And that's very similar
Speaker 2: in the IVY League. Like not that those guys don't
Speaker 2: go pro, and there's some great pros that have come
Speaker 2: out of the IVY League, but a lot of those
Speaker 2: guys can make more money doing other things, and they
Speaker 2: play the sport because they love it. They're very committed
Speaker 2: to it. They're you know, obviously very intelligent players. So
Speaker 2: the level of complexity of the game there is pretty high.
Speaker 2: And so for me as a young coach to get
Speaker 2: in there and learn from some great coaches, be around
Speaker 2: some really committed players kind of suck me in.
Speaker 1: How did you get in with Cleveland? Then it happened
Speaker 1: pretty quickly twenty thirteen. If you graduate in two thousand
Speaker 1: and nine, within four years or in the NFL, there
Speaker 1: are a lot of guys who they want to get
Speaker 1: in the NFL takes twenty years. Sometimes never happens How
Speaker 1: did you get in as quickly as you did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very fortunate, A really right place, right time. So I
Speaker 1: was at Yale at the time. So I went Harvard
Speaker 1: for a year, Boston College as a graduate assistant for
Speaker 1: two which is right down the road, and then as
Speaker 1: I talked about, one of the assistants Harvard got the
Speaker 1: head job at Yale. I went there and really had
Speaker 1: like I had not, as you said, setting goals and plans,
Speaker 1: Like certainly the NFL was there, but I didn't know
Speaker 1: a lot of people in it. And at that point
Speaker 1: I was, you know, it's my first position job. I
Speaker 1: was recruit my own areas at Yale and it was
Speaker 1: a lot of fun.
Speaker 2: And I got a call kind of out of the
Speaker 2: blue from one of the assistant coaches at Cleveland I
Speaker 2: think he was an administrator at the time, and he
Speaker 2: kind of said, Hey, we're looking to hire these type
Speaker 2: of intern positions.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I think at the time New England had started them.
Speaker 2: They were the twenty for twenty jobs. You work twenty
Speaker 2: hours a day, year round, and you make like twenty
Speaker 2: grand I think that was kind of how they sold it.
Speaker 2: And he's like, is this something you'd be interested in
Speaker 2: and it was a I think it legitimately cut my
Speaker 2: pay in half, and I was like, yeah, like absolutely,
Speaker 2: Like where do I sign it? Like didn't really know
Speaker 2: how I got in the door at first, but I'm like,
Speaker 2: did a quick phone interview. They're like, hey, we'll call
Speaker 2: you back if we're interested. Were I'm like okay, and
Speaker 2: just kind of sat there and then it kind of
Speaker 2: started to put the pieces together. So Ben Bloom, who's
Speaker 2: now the D line coach at Cleveland, actually grew up
Speaker 2: my hometown.
Speaker 1: This could be a very long story. I'll try to
Speaker 1: take your time.
Speaker 2: So Ben Bloom was the assistant D line coach at
Speaker 2: Harvard when I graduated college, and he was four or
Speaker 2: five years older than me, grew up in my hometown,
Speaker 2: kind of loose family. Friends didn't know him that well.
Speaker 2: And when I started networking coming out of college, I
Speaker 2: was like, Hey, I need a job. I want to coach,
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, the head coach literally just mentioned
Speaker 2: this unpaid internship at Harvard. He said, if I have
Speaker 2: a guy, you know, you barely even need an interview
Speaker 2: if you want to come in and take the job.
Speaker 2: So got me that first job at Harvard. He actually
Speaker 2: left before I got there and took a job with
Speaker 2: the Browns with Mangini staff worked there, ended up in Dallas.
Speaker 2: A guy named Dave Worganzi, who's now the linebackers coach
Speaker 2: in Chicago, was at Harvard with Ben, stayed and worked
Speaker 2: with me for a year. So we worked together for
Speaker 2: a year I left for BC. He actually went with
Speaker 2: Ben Bloom to Dallas in that twenty for twenty job
Speaker 2: in Dallas. And again the random connections of the NFL show.
Speaker 2: When Rob Jizinski got the head job in Cleveland that year,
Speaker 2: the president at the time, believe was Alex I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get his Like Alex Shiner and Alec had come from Dallas,
Speaker 2: and Chud wanted to hire these positions, but he'd never
Speaker 2: been in a building that had them, and Aleck had
Speaker 2: just come from Dallas and they had kind of this
Speaker 2: program going. So Chud was like, Hey, can I reach
Speaker 2: out to Ben and Dave about the program, how much
Speaker 2: they made, what they did, what it looked like. And
Speaker 2: I guess when they called these guys, they're like, Hey,
Speaker 2: if you're looking for names, there's a guy Yale who'd
Speaker 2: be a great candidate. Give him a call. You might
Speaker 2: be interested. So that started the process and then the
Speaker 2: interview was wild. I actually my wife I don't even
Speaker 2: know she wants to hear this story again. But so
Speaker 2: I was at Yale. It was like a Thursday morning,
Speaker 2: at like nine am. I got a call from Cleveland say, hey,
Speaker 2: we want to bring out for an interview, but there's
Speaker 2: a massive storm about to hit the northeast. Like if
Speaker 2: we don't get you on an airplane the next like
Speaker 2: four hours, like you're not getting out here. And I
Speaker 2: was like, well, I'm two hours from the airports. Just
Speaker 2: tell me where I got to go. And they're like,
Speaker 2: are you sure. Me and my wife were dating at
Speaker 2: the time. She's long distance, She's like six hours away
Speaker 2: in Rochester, New York. She was already driving to New Haven, Connecticut,
Speaker 2: and I'm like at that point, I was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I got to take this job. So I'm like yeah,
Speaker 2: like I'll be at the New What airport and I'll
Speaker 2: get there. And so he's like, well, if you can
Speaker 2: get on the plane, you got to flight at like
Speaker 2: one o'clock. I think it was like nine am. So
Speaker 2: I like walked into the head coach's office at Yale
Speaker 2: and I was like, hey, I know you're not gonna
Speaker 2: be happy about this, but I have an interview with
Speaker 2: the Browns and I need to leave, and if I
Speaker 2: don't get the job, please don't fire me. And so
Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, he was great about he was really supportive.
Speaker 2: He's like and he kind of knew. He's like, if
Speaker 2: you go, you're you know, He's like, you're probably getting this.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't feel that way, but I'm glad
Speaker 2: you do. And I'm gonna go, so see you later.
Speaker 2: So I like I raced home. I threw like one
Speaker 2: interview book in a bag with like a set of clothes,
Speaker 2: and I like it was like a two hour drive
Speaker 2: to this airport. I had a flight in like three
Speaker 2: and a half hours. And I call my girlfriend at
Speaker 2: the time. My wife now on the way, and I'm like, hey,
Speaker 2: I know you're driving six hours to come see me
Speaker 2: for the weekend. Like I'm gonna get on a plane
Speaker 2: to Cleveland. They said i'd be back tomorrow, like we'll
Speaker 2: have a great weekend. You know. There was a longer conversation,
Speaker 2: but that was kind of the gist of it. So
Speaker 2: she's like great. So I get off for the interview
Speaker 2: and basically the interviews. You know, you go through a
Speaker 2: couple of your meat people in the staff, they'll talk
Speaker 2: football with you, you do a little work for him,
Speaker 2: you go home less than twenty four hours. Friday morning
Speaker 2: flight got canceled, Saturday morning flight got canceled, Sunday morning
Speaker 2: flight got canceled. At this point, my wife is literally
Speaker 2: I think the I think we got almost four feet
Speaker 2: of snow in New Haven, Connecticut. So she is she
Speaker 2: can't leave my apartment. And it's like, look, I'm not
Speaker 2: making a ton of money. You know, she's living with
Speaker 2: two other people she doesn't know in an apartment she
Speaker 2: can't leave. So I didn't earn a lot of points
Speaker 2: on this one, and so at that point I just
Speaker 2: was stuck there. So they just kept bringing me back
Speaker 2: to the facility to do more work. And then I
Speaker 2: think on Sunday afternoon they finally got me a flight
Speaker 2: that left at like eight pm on Sunday, and like
Speaker 2: at like five pm on Sunday, ched was like, well,
Speaker 2: you've worked for us for three days, Like do you
Speaker 2: want to just keep going? And I was like yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: Like when do I start? And he's like, well, when
Speaker 2: can you get out here? And I was like, well,
Speaker 2: New Haven's a six hour drive. I could probably put
Speaker 2: the stuff in my car in two hours. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'll leave Monday afternoon. So finally got on a flight Sunday,
Speaker 2: and my wife at that point already to go back
Speaker 2: to Rochester, so never saw her. They got the snow
Speaker 2: out of there, she left. I landed Sunday night around midnight,
Speaker 2: went into Yale, was like, hey, I took the job
Speaker 2: with the Browns, thank you, and I need to pack
Speaker 2: and I'm leaving in about five hours to go move
Speaker 2: to Cleveland. And that was kind of it. So I
Speaker 2: got there and I was I'd only been on defense
Speaker 2: at that point, so like my first day day on
Speaker 2: the job, you know, Ray Horton was the defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2: I put his playbook from PowerPoint to visio and was
Speaker 2: talking to the defensive coaches and then I honestly don't
Speaker 2: know how it happened. Like Norv Turner was the offensive coordinator,
Speaker 2: would just like yell my name down the hallway when
Speaker 2: he wanted something, And at first it might be like,
Speaker 2: you know something n like a cut up on exos
Speaker 2: or like a college e val, or like hey, you
Speaker 2: know whatever, it might be, and then like two weeks later,
Speaker 2: I was just on offense, like never really talked about it,
Speaker 2: Like Norv just wanted me to do things for him.
Speaker 2: And by the time I did it for a week
Speaker 2: or two, I was on offense. And then obviously stayed
Speaker 2: there for the year and we got to let go.
Speaker 2: Norv ended up in Minnesota, and yeah, that's a whole
Speaker 2: nother wild story. But a lot of people took care
Speaker 2: of me to get me where I am, and I'm
Speaker 2: obviously very fortunate for that.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how all that stuff happens. Not to bore
Speaker 1: you with a little bit of my story, but I
Speaker 1: just couldn't help think when you start talking about a storm.
Speaker 1: So I've been here doing the Cardinal since two thousand
Speaker 1: and two. I've been at ESPN since two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: and that my second year there. I was just at
Speaker 1: the time doing like some a little bit of college basketball.
Speaker 1: I wasn't doing college football NBA. I was just doing
Speaker 1: a little bit of college basketball. I did the Great
Speaker 1: Outdoor Games, which was dog jumping. I did the sausage
Speaker 1: eating contest, and I remember I was a Saturday in
Speaker 1: February and I'm sitting at home because I had only
Speaker 1: at that point was doing like fifteen games a year
Speaker 1: or something. I get a phone call, Hey, brad Nessler
Speaker 1: is stuck in a storm and he can't get to Lawrence, Kansas.
Speaker 1: You're in Arizona. The weather's fine, you're not working. Can
Speaker 1: you get on a plane go do the Saturday primetime
Speaker 1: game with Dick Vitale. And I'm thinking, first of all, yes,
Speaker 1: who's playing? Who's playing? I got to prep in three hours.
Speaker 1: I got to get on a plane and get there,
Speaker 1: and you know the rest kind of his history it
Speaker 1: helped me in terms of, like they carry you with
Speaker 1: the vitality, think you can do the job, and you
Speaker 1: get a chance. It's just crazy how that stuff works.
Speaker 1: So I can relate a little bit to your story,
Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Obviously. You know you mentioned
Speaker 1: NORV Minnesota and now here in Arizona after another stint
Speaker 1: in Cleveland. So if I put on NORV Turner's tape
Speaker 1: from twenty thirteen and watched his offense and then watch
Speaker 1: the Cardinals this year, how similar would they look?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think to some extent there's similarities in
Speaker 2: a lot of football schemes. So I think you'd recognize
Speaker 2: some of that, but I wouldn't say you're going to say, hey,
Speaker 2: it's identical. The language is the same, the formations are
Speaker 2: the same. Who they're highlighting is the same. You know.
Speaker 2: Kind of what I've hit on since i've been here
Speaker 2: is a lot of it's built around, especially when you
Speaker 2: see on Sunday, is going to be built around who's
Speaker 2: healthy and who's playing at high level. And certainly those
Speaker 2: players in Cleveland in twenty thirteen, positionally and emphasis wise,
Speaker 2: maybe different than what we have here in Arizona this year.
Speaker 2: So I think that part of it is going to
Speaker 2: be different. But I think certainly his influence on me
Speaker 2: is heavy, and the scheme and the system and the
Speaker 2: way he coached, the way he related to players and
Speaker 2: the way he thought about attacking a defense is a
Speaker 2: big part of my DNA, So I think that will
Speaker 2: always be with me in my coaching career.
Speaker 1: I had Colt McCoy on last week, and one of
Speaker 1: the things Colt mentioned is where his foot is positioned
Speaker 1: in this offense. It's different than what he's ever done.
Speaker 1: I think he said it was always his right foot
Speaker 1: was forward, left foot back, and now it's reversed and
Speaker 1: he said, that's something Drew believes in, and so I
Speaker 1: want to do what he says. And as a lay person,
Speaker 1: you hear that and like, why is that such a
Speaker 1: big deal? Why does that matter? So tell me why
Speaker 1: that's a big deal. Yep.
Speaker 2: And a lot of that and my belief in that
Speaker 2: came from Alex Van Pelt in Cleveland. So he came
Speaker 2: up on that as a player obviously played in this
Speaker 2: league for a long time at a high level and
Speaker 2: then has coached at a very high level. And you know,
Speaker 2: as the quarterback coach in Cleveland, I leaned heavily on
Speaker 2: him last year. That was my first year doing it,
Speaker 2: and that was something he was adamant about. So me, honestly,
Speaker 2: walking into it a year ago, I didn't have like
Speaker 2: a has to be this way, had to be that way.
Speaker 2: I've been around both, you know, I've seen guys right
Speaker 2: foot forward. I've seen guys in balance stances. I've seen
Speaker 2: guys left foot forward. But I think the big thing
Speaker 2: about coaching is when you when someone gives you something
Speaker 2: or you're asked to coach something, you have to dive
Speaker 2: in and dissect it. And so that was a big
Speaker 2: part of my job last year prior to going into
Speaker 2: a meeting room is like, all right, this is the
Speaker 2: way we're coaching it. Why are we coaching it? Doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense? How can I sell it and make sure
Speaker 2: that it sound? And I think during that process it
Speaker 2: really solidified my belief in that footwork. Why it matters
Speaker 2: is because everything the quarterback does, from throwing to decision
Speaker 2: making is tied to their feet. You know, we'll talk
Speaker 2: about progressions. It's one to two to three to four,
Speaker 2: and if it's a three step concept or a five
Speaker 2: step concept or a seven step concept, how and quickly
Speaker 2: and when you move on in those progressions is immediately
Speaker 2: tied your feet. Like we'll tell guys like, hey, if
Speaker 2: you've taken that many hitches, you should be out of
Speaker 2: the pocket. The ball should be out of your hand,
Speaker 2: like either no one's open and I didn't give you
Speaker 2: a good play or you weren't rhythm up with everything
Speaker 2: else happening on the field. And I think you build
Speaker 2: that time and that feel with your feet during practice
Speaker 2: because a lot of things obviously in practice are on
Speaker 2: air and there's that okay, this is when the ball
Speaker 2: should be here, there's when it should be there. Here's
Speaker 2: when you should move on. And then in the game,
Speaker 2: because it's not going to be perfectly clean, that timing
Speaker 2: element allows you to go react and play at a
Speaker 2: high level. You're not going to sit and wait for
Speaker 2: something when you've gotten too far into your drop or
Speaker 2: you've moved on too quickly. I can easily say like, hey,
Speaker 2: that was coming open, but you took three step instead
Speaker 2: of five, and that's why you move past something that
Speaker 2: was about to come open because you thought you were late.
Speaker 2: And I think that's what he's committed to, and a
Speaker 2: lot of guys in this rumor committed to. Not that
Speaker 2: it's different with someone who's coaching that with their right
Speaker 2: foot forward, they're just teaching off a different timing and rhythm.
Speaker 2: And this is one that I believe pretty strongly, and
Speaker 2: just because I think it puts you in balance and
Speaker 2: in time. With the routes that we want to.
Speaker 1: Throw, we're going to see a lot more huddling than
Speaker 1: we saw in previous years. Why do you believe in
Speaker 1: the huddle?
Speaker 2: I think again getting everybody on the same page, allowing
Speaker 2: us to move guys around in the formation. So if
Speaker 2: we have a guy that's really dynamic, and we always
Speaker 2: put him in one place. And I'm a good defense coordinator.
Speaker 2: I think it becomes at times easy to defend that player.
Speaker 2: But if every time we break the huddle, that guy
Speaker 2: could be left right inside outside on the move and
Speaker 2: it's not obvious based to when we approach the line
Speaker 2: of scrimmage, I think you create that indecision for a
Speaker 2: defensive play caller like, hey, I got to eliminate this guy,
Speaker 2: But how do I do that if I don't know
Speaker 2: where he's going to be? And then if he starts
Speaker 2: there and doesn't stay there, is that another added component
Speaker 2: to what they have to defend. So I think that's
Speaker 2: a big benefit of it. I think certainly the communication
Speaker 2: piece of it is huge, like, hey, get everybody on
Speaker 2: the same page, use the snapcount to our advantage. And
Speaker 2: I think a lot of that can happen in the huddle.
Speaker 2: And I'll also say there will be plenty of times
Speaker 2: where we are at the line, whether it's no huddle,
Speaker 2: tempo calling at the line, like you have to be
Speaker 2: able to do all those things I think in this
Speaker 2: league to be difficult to defend.
Speaker 1: This is the first time you've called plays in regular
Speaker 1: season games.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You did not at any point call plays in Cleveland. Correct?
Speaker 1: How do you practice for that other than just doing
Speaker 1: it here knowing that you know, when the game's going,
Speaker 1: you got to be thinking ahead. You got to be
Speaker 1: looking at your call sheet. You got to be trying
Speaker 1: to match wits with the other team's defense and their court.
Speaker 1: You know, if you got really smart players, you got
Speaker 1: a veteran defense, or you have a young dec I
Speaker 1: assume all that stuff is going through your mind. So
Speaker 1: how do you prepare for that?
Speaker 2: It's you know, it's a big task. I think I
Speaker 2: was very fortunate in Cleveland the last two years was
Speaker 2: given the opportunity during preseason to have a little bit
Speaker 2: of experience doing that, which I think puts you in
Speaker 2: that mindset. And then I think the other thing is
Speaker 2: I've watched people do it, like I've been on the
Speaker 2: headset for you know, almost ten eleven years now, with
Speaker 2: some guys who have done it at a really high level,
Speaker 2: and you pick their brands like they were awesome and
Speaker 2: open to me about like, hey, what are you thinking here?
Speaker 2: Why are you calling this like after the fact, and
Speaker 2: like just to give me some tips and tools so
Speaker 2: that when I go to do it myself. I feel
Speaker 2: like I can lean on some of that teaching. And
Speaker 2: then I think the last component, and maybe the most
Speaker 2: important component, because it's with these players, is I think
Speaker 2: we've done a great job of managing some of those
Speaker 2: call it periods in practice where it's like, hey, it's
Speaker 2: not scripted, like hey, there's four minutes in the third quarter.
Speaker 2: We know about how many plays we want everyone to get, like,
Speaker 2: let's just go play football. And in that case, obviously
Speaker 2: I know the defense I'm going again, and the the
Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, so we're just hey, we're doing a little
Speaker 2: bit of that as not live bullets, but you know,
Speaker 2: as close as you can get. And then after the fact,
Speaker 2: you got to be honest and evaluate how did we do?
Speaker 2: Where can we be better? Talking to Nick and JG
Speaker 2: and they talked to me about, hey, did this work?
Speaker 2: Was this hard? What do we do here? So I
Speaker 2: think you try to get as many different variations as
Speaker 2: that as you can so that when it is live,
Speaker 2: you feel comfortable and confident that you know what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Will you be up on the booth and will you
Speaker 1: be downstairs?
Speaker 2: I think I'm going to try both. I think it's
Speaker 2: it was interesting. As a young coach, I was always
Speaker 2: up and so in my mind when I got the
Speaker 2: job as a coordinator, I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 2: call it up. And then the two years I had
Speaker 2: the opportunity in Cleveland, I was a tight end coach
Speaker 2: and a quarterback coach, so I was on the field.
Speaker 2: So I had to call it from the field because
Speaker 2: that's where I was prior to having it, because it
Speaker 2: was just a little bit in the middle of a game,
Speaker 2: and I really enjoyed doing it there a lot more
Speaker 2: than I thought, So I think that's going to be
Speaker 2: something to work through here during training camp. My guess
Speaker 2: would be do one up or down and kind of
Speaker 2: flip flop during preseason to feel where I'm more comfortable,
Speaker 2: to see where our communication as a staff is better,
Speaker 2: see where my communication with the players is better, and
Speaker 2: then move forward in that way.
Speaker 1: A couple more we'll get you out of here. How
Speaker 1: challenging is it to shake beer offense with Colt knowing
Speaker 1: that Kyler is so different that when Kyler comes back, obviously,
Speaker 1: if he's healthy, he's the quarterback. So the challenges of
Speaker 1: trying to navigate all.
Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I think a little bit of it was
Speaker 2: aided by We kind of went through a similar process
Speaker 2: last year in Cleveland with Jacobe and Deshon where you
Speaker 2: kind of knew the guy was coming back, but he
Speaker 2: wasn't gonna mile to start, so you had to tailor
Speaker 2: to somebody else. And they were both new, they'd never
Speaker 2: been in the system, they'd never used the footwork that
Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier. And then I think another
Speaker 2: component of it is, at the end of the day,
Speaker 2: the biggest part of what we did was a language.
Speaker 2: There's a generally speaking, a playbook. Ninety nine percent of
Speaker 2: playbooks in the NFL are big enough to adapt to
Speaker 2: who they have, but getting everybody on the same page,
Speaker 2: getting the language and cult no like Hey, at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, this offense is going to be
Speaker 2: built around Kyler's strengths, but we're certainly going to be
Speaker 2: able to go play and tailor to what you do
Speaker 2: and best and what you like by the time Sunday
Speaker 2: rolls around. So it is a balance. But I think
Speaker 2: both those guys understand that and realize the nuance of that.
Speaker 1: As we've gone through, a lot of guys on the
Speaker 1: staff came from Philly, obviously, including the head coach. I
Speaker 1: think about Jalen Hurts. He has exceeded expectations. And I
Speaker 1: remember doing his games at Alabama when he was a quarterback.
Speaker 1: I remember doing his games at Alabama when he was
Speaker 1: a running back, and then doing his games at Oklahoma
Speaker 1: as a quarterback where he's a Heisman candidate. And while
Speaker 1: Philly seemed to do whatever they could to fit his
Speaker 1: skill set, he also did whatever he could to mesh
Speaker 1: with what they were trying to do. So, because you
Speaker 1: hear that question a lot, it sometimes questions asked us
Speaker 1: if it's one or the other, how do you view
Speaker 1: that in terms of what you're going to do for
Speaker 1: Kyler and what he needs to do for you.
Speaker 2: I think that balance is exactly what you just stated.
Speaker 2: And I think obviously they did an unbelievable job of
Speaker 2: an a Philly these last two years, and his production
Speaker 2: and performance has been impressive. So it's a great example
Speaker 2: of the ideal in terms of how that can happen.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's really important. I think certainly
Speaker 2: there are things that I think I can bring here
Speaker 2: that are going to help Kyler play the game at
Speaker 2: a higher level. Obviously, he's played it at a higher level.
Speaker 2: So some of that has to be tailored to what
Speaker 2: he's already done, and then I think he also has
Speaker 2: to buy in and has to embrace some of the
Speaker 2: things that we're saying, Hey, the first time you do this,
Speaker 2: it's not going to be perfect because you haven't done
Speaker 2: it one hundred times. But here's why we're asking you
Speaker 2: to do it, here's the benefits of it, and if
Speaker 2: you work hard at it, you're going to be really
Speaker 2: good at it. Because he's obviously a very talented player
Speaker 2: and someone who's very competitive, and I think he's really
Speaker 2: embraced that challenge. It's been fun to watch, even in
Speaker 2: the limited role he can have now with the injury,
Speaker 2: and I would only expect that to continue.
Speaker 1: You're a little bit younger than Colt. Is this the
Speaker 1: first time you coach a guy that's actually older than you.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, I think this. I mean, yeah,
Speaker 2: this probably is the first time. I'm trying to think
Speaker 2: of it. You know what. I was in Cleveland when
Speaker 2: we signed Willis McGahee, so I think and he was
Speaker 2: a great guy to be around, but he would have
Speaker 2: been the only other one and I wasn't obviously the
Speaker 2: running back coach at that time, So this will be
Speaker 2: my first time standing him up in front of a
Speaker 2: room where someone is older than me, which I'm I
Speaker 2: do remind cult of quite frequently.
Speaker 1: All Right, last one, because Ron Wolfley, who I do
Speaker 1: the Cardinal games with, will be upset of. I don't
Speaker 1: ask you this because he's all excited about the huddle
Speaker 1: and he's all excited about physicality at the line of
Speaker 1: scrimmage and running the ball. Absolutely, how much of an
Speaker 1: emphasis will that be for you?
Speaker 2: Big? And I think again, it's going to come down
Speaker 2: to who we're playing and who we got and how
Speaker 2: good we think we can be at it. If we
Speaker 2: think it's the best way to win the game and
Speaker 2: we're going to do it. If we look at the
Speaker 2: opponent and look at us and say, no, we need
Speaker 2: to throw it around the yard today, that's what we
Speaker 2: have to do. But I think you have to be
Speaker 2: able to be balanced enough to like, if you're not
Speaker 2: good at both, you can't make that decision. Yeah, So
Speaker 2: I think emphasizing that and putting an emphasis on that
Speaker 2: in the meeting room, on the field at practice is
Speaker 2: really important. And generally the offensive line loves those type
Speaker 2: of things right. That's what those guys love to do.
Speaker 2: So we got a great group in there. Clayton and
Speaker 2: Chris Cook do a great job with those guys, so
Speaker 2: it's been fun to watch and I know those guys
Speaker 2: are juice to get the pads on today.
Speaker 1: Well, it's been great Drew getting a chance to meet
Speaker 1: you and talk with you and look forward to watching
Speaker 1: you this year. Awesome.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys, thanks for having me. Well.
Speaker 1: As you can tell, Drew is pretty confident and he's
Speaker 1: really smart, and I'm really excited to see what he's
Speaker 1: going to do in general, just being at practice in
Speaker 1: a training camp for the last week. This is a
Speaker 1: coaching staff that's building something and each guy that I've
Speaker 1: been able to communicate with is really impressive. We'll start
Speaker 1: to see it unfold on the field here soon when
Speaker 1: the Cardinals open preseason play. But it was great to
Speaker 1: talk with Drew Petsing a lot of great stories, including
Speaker 1: how he got the job with the Cleveland Browns and
Speaker 1: how he got to start in the NFL and a
Speaker 1: decade later now calling plays for the Arizona Cardinals. We
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