1 00:00:04,559 --> 00:00:07,680 Speaker 1: Hey everybody, and welcome to another edition of the Davetash Podcast. 2 00:00:07,720 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm your host ESPN and Arizona Cardinals broadcaster Dave patsch. 3 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: Our guest this week is first year Cardinals offensive coordinator 4 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,160 Speaker 1: Drew petsingh Drew's a young guy in his mid thirties, 5 00:00:19,160 --> 00:00:21,680 Speaker 1: but he's been in the league for a decade. Prior 6 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:23,799 Speaker 1: to that was in the IVY League. Get both Harvard 7 00:00:23,880 --> 00:00:27,480 Speaker 1: and Yale. We'll talk about the experience with those schools. 8 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:31,040 Speaker 1: We'll also talk about the influences on his career like 9 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: Norv Turner and being a first year play caller. Drew's 10 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 1: still uncertain as to whether he's going to call plays 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: from the field or from the booth. 12 00:00:39,680 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 2: I think I'm going to try both kind of flip 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 2: flop during preseason to feel where I'm more comfortable, to 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 2: see where our communication as a staff is better, see 15 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,959 Speaker 2: where my communication with the players is better, and then 16 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 2: move forward in that way. 17 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 1: We'll also talk with Petsing about what to expect from 18 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:54,959 Speaker 1: the offense in terms of how we'll look with Cole 19 00:00:55,080 --> 00:00:58,520 Speaker 1: McCoy as opposed to how it will eventually look with 20 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray. 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All right, it's time to 30 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: chat with our guests for this week. Cardinals offensive coordinator 31 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:39,080 Speaker 1: Drew Petsing, first coach, give me a sense of how 32 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,600 Speaker 1: camp's been. Is it what you expected? I know we're 33 00:01:42,640 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: recording this in a day where we're in pads and 34 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: it's the first time we've done this. But is it 35 00:01:48,520 --> 00:01:49,600 Speaker 1: what you thought so far? 36 00:01:49,800 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think so. I think it's been a lot 37 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:52,720 Speaker 2: of fun. I think these guys that really come in 38 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 2: and committed themselves to working hard and doing things the 39 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: way we want, and it's been fun to see that 40 00:01:57,960 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: kind of play out on the field and obviously today 41 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 2: putting on the pads for the first time. I think 42 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 2: guys are pretty excited to go play football, and certainly 43 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 2: just in terms of getting into the hotel, getting used 44 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 2: to the stadium, the travel, the schedule has been new, 45 00:02:09,800 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 2: but I think for the most part, it's been what 46 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:12,679 Speaker 2: we want it to be. It's been pretty fun. 47 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: Take me back to when you got offered the job 48 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 1: three years in Cleveland. You were in Minnesota prior to that, 49 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: Cleveland even before then, but obviously the relationship with JG 50 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: was from Minnesota. When you got the phone call. Is 51 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: it something like you guys had already talked about, Hey, 52 00:02:29,240 --> 00:02:32,320 Speaker 1: if you get a gig, you know I'm gonna make 53 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: you mioc You're gonna call plays if I get a job. 54 00:02:35,919 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: I don't think it's anything ever like that. I think 55 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 2: it's more the conversations, especially when we were assistants in 56 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:41,679 Speaker 2: the same building, of just like, hey, how would you 57 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:43,399 Speaker 2: do this? What would you do there? Is this hard 58 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: on a defense? Is that hard on an offense? Like 59 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:46,200 Speaker 2: if you were going to do it, how would you 60 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 2: do it? So I think you have a lot of 61 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: those conversations as a young coach because it's fun. You're 62 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:53,640 Speaker 2: around guys doing it different ways. You're seeing different systems 63 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 2: and things that you like and things that you don't like. 64 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 2: So you have a lot of those conversations. And then 65 00:02:58,160 --> 00:02:59,839 Speaker 2: I think when we kind of went our separate ways 66 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 2: there when Jaju went to Indye, you just kind of 67 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 2: stay in touch. You're playing the same teams. We actually 68 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 2: played them that first year when they were in Indie. 69 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 2: They came to Cleveland in twenty twenty. So you stay 70 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:10,000 Speaker 2: in touch, you catch you up, you watch football together, 71 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 2: you see each other in the off season, and it's 72 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:14,480 Speaker 2: kind of one of those things. I think the year 73 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: before when he started interview and he's like, hey, just 74 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,280 Speaker 2: be ready to go, like have your system, be ready 75 00:03:18,320 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 2: to interview. Know what you wanted to be like, and 76 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 2: you know, you'd certainly be a high on my list 77 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:24,720 Speaker 2: of guys I'd want to consider, and I would expect 78 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 2: you to be ready, and I you know, I would 79 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,400 Speaker 2: have been ready before he said that, obviously, because it's 80 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 2: something you're always hoping to have the opportunity to do. 81 00:03:30,800 --> 00:03:32,799 Speaker 2: So I think it's it's more that than it is like, Hey, 82 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 2: if this happens, we're going. 83 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: So you get the call how did the conversation go? 84 00:03:37,640 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 2: It was it was exciting. I mean I was excited 85 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 2: for him first. You know, the first call is like, 86 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: hey man, I got the job, and I'm just like, hey, that, 87 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 2: you know, congratulations, That's obviously a huge opportunity, something he's 88 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:48,200 Speaker 2: worked extremely hard for and really wanted to take advantage of. 89 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 2: So it was fired up for him. And then I 90 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:51,840 Speaker 2: think the next card goes, hey, here you know, here 91 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: are the next steps. Here's kind of the timeline, and 92 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 2: here's what you need to be ready for, and let's 93 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 2: put your best foot forward and see what happens. 94 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: So when you got into this, are you a goals guy? 95 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: Like do you write things down to this is what 96 00:04:03,720 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 1: I envision for myself? Or are you a go with 97 00:04:07,200 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 1: the flow see what happens. 98 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: I think somewhere in between, I don't think I've ever 99 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: I don't have a list anywhere of like here's what 100 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 2: I want to hit, here's when I want to hit it, 101 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,279 Speaker 2: those type of things. You know. I know some people 102 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: do that, but I do think when you get into it, 103 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:20,800 Speaker 2: I think your first goal, especially mine when I got 104 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: into coaching, was like can I make a living doing this? Like? 105 00:04:23,120 --> 00:04:25,960 Speaker 2: Is this a plausible career path, especially when you're first 106 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: coming out of college and then when it started to 107 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 2: look like it might be I think that's when you 108 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: start to see the guys that you're around and the 109 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 2: quality of life they have and the things they do 110 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 2: on the day to day and try to identify, Hey, 111 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,280 Speaker 2: what do I want to do? How do I want 112 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 2: to do it? And you, I think in the back 113 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 2: of your mind you're always preparing for the next step, 114 00:04:42,440 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 2: but not at the expense of doing the job you have. 115 00:04:45,080 --> 00:04:48,799 Speaker 1: Are you what drives you? Is it the x's and o's, 116 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: Is it the relationships? Is it leading a team? Because 117 00:04:52,640 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: every coach is different. And I've seen guys like, for example, 118 00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, who I've known for a long time, obviously 119 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: not just from here, but doing his games going back 120 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: to an M Johnny Manziel's year or even at Houston, 121 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 1: and Cliff x's and o's was his big thing, Like 122 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: dealing with the boosters, that's not what he wanted to do. 123 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: He wanted to coach ball and to think about calling plays. 124 00:05:18,520 --> 00:05:21,480 Speaker 1: Some guys, you know, they're not as focused on the 125 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:23,679 Speaker 1: x's and o's. I mean, it's obviously part of every 126 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:30,240 Speaker 1: coaching job, but relationships, communication, leadership, motivational speaking. A lot 127 00:05:30,279 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: of guys that's their strength. What would you say is 128 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,360 Speaker 1: your strength? What's your passion? Yeah, it's a great question. 129 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: I think it's something that probably changes and tweaks itself 130 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,120 Speaker 1: over the course of somebody's career in lifetime. You know, 131 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: I think one thing that always resonated me and I remember, 132 00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 1: I can't remember the first time I saw it, but 133 00:05:45,920 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: it's a video of Brett Favre talking after his career about, 134 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 1: you know, his memories and some of his great moments, 135 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: and you know he's sitting there and he's like one 136 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:54,760 Speaker 1: of the things He's like, the thing you never forget 137 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:57,080 Speaker 1: is like the moments with your teammates, like celebrating with 138 00:05:57,120 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: your teammates, being with your teammates. So I do think 139 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: they're relationship. Part of it is big because I think 140 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the game will move 141 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:07,239 Speaker 1: on without us. But I think a lot of those friendships, 142 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: those relationships, those connections are pretty special, and I think 143 00:06:11,200 --> 00:06:12,960 Speaker 1: those are what you really remember when you walk away. 144 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: When I look back at previous places I've been, Yeah, 145 00:06:15,600 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: I remember a couple games, but I remember the people 146 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 1: I work with. 147 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 2: I remember the people in the building. I remember some 148 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:21,200 Speaker 2: of the emotions and the relationships that were developed. So 149 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,320 Speaker 2: I do think that's a big part of my passion 150 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 2: and part of who I am. And I certainly love 151 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 2: the x's and o's. I think the scheme aspect of 152 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: the game, the chess match, the give and take, the 153 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 2: back and forth during the course of a game during 154 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: the week, the game planning is kind of fun. So 155 00:06:34,839 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: I'd say those two are the biggest components. But I 156 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: think everything you just hit on plays in a little bit. 157 00:06:39,680 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 2: But if I was to narrow it down to two, 158 00:06:41,040 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 2: i'd say the relationships one, and the game itself too. 159 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: And I want to get more into the x's and o's. 160 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,560 Speaker 1: But I'm curious because I went to Syracuse, which is 161 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,200 Speaker 1: widely known as the Harvard of Central New York. But 162 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: you actually were at Harvard and you were at Yale. 163 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:58,599 Speaker 1: I can't imagine that there are many coaches to be 164 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 1: at both Harvard and Yale. What was that experience like 165 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:04,800 Speaker 1: and how much did that impact you as a coach. 166 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it had a big impact to me. 167 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 2: And it's funny, actually, the head coach that brought me 168 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 2: to Yale, was an assistant at Harvard. Actually went Yale, 169 00:07:11,760 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 2: Harvard Yale, so he did it multiple times. But I 170 00:07:14,320 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 2: would say it is pretty rare. Was on both sides 171 00:07:16,160 --> 00:07:18,960 Speaker 2: of the game, which was fun. It was my first 172 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 2: job out of college. So I you know, I graduated 173 00:07:20,840 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 2: in twenty two thousand and nine, and I think I 174 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 2: graduated on Sunday. I think I walked into a staff 175 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 2: meeting on Tuesday morning at Harvard. I was unpaid, but 176 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 2: it was twenty minutes from my house. It was an 177 00:07:29,000 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: opportunity to get my foot in the door. And I 178 00:07:30,400 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: hadn't been at football at that level, was very green, 179 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,800 Speaker 2: and uh just I was on defense because that's what 180 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: I played in college, and just like immediately fell in 181 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:41,560 Speaker 2: love with it. Just again, the relationships, the staff meetings, 182 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 2: the grind, the sport, it was it just it was 183 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 2: so fun and you were getting paid and at that 184 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,600 Speaker 2: point I wasn't. I was like, Wow, if I could 185 00:07:49,640 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 2: get paid to do this, this would be unbelievable. And 186 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 2: I think that level was a great You know, played 187 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 2: D three ball where you know, very few people are 188 00:07:57,400 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 2: going to the NFL. Steve Houska, I came out of Milbury, 189 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 2: but other than that. It wasn't like everyone's like, Hey, 190 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:03,400 Speaker 2: I'm going to graduate from Middlebury and then I'm going 191 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: to the league. So I think I you know, my 192 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:08,400 Speaker 2: love of the game grew around guys that were in 193 00:08:08,440 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 2: it strictly for the love of the game. There wasn't 194 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 2: a monetary component tied to it. And that's very similar 195 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 2: in the IVY League. Like not that those guys don't 196 00:08:15,280 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 2: go pro, and there's some great pros that have come 197 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: out of the IVY League, but a lot of those 198 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,000 Speaker 2: guys can make more money doing other things, and they 199 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 2: play the sport because they love it. They're very committed 200 00:08:23,560 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 2: to it. They're you know, obviously very intelligent players. So 201 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,400 Speaker 2: the level of complexity of the game there is pretty high. 202 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 2: And so for me as a young coach to get 203 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,760 Speaker 2: in there and learn from some great coaches, be around 204 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 2: some really committed players kind of suck me in. 205 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:39,559 Speaker 1: How did you get in with Cleveland? Then it happened 206 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: pretty quickly twenty thirteen. If you graduate in two thousand 207 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: and nine, within four years or in the NFL, there 208 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of guys who they want to get 209 00:08:45,559 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: in the NFL takes twenty years. Sometimes never happens How 210 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: did you get in as quickly as you did. Yeah, 211 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: very fortunate, A really right place, right time. So I 212 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,280 Speaker 1: was at Yale at the time. So I went Harvard 213 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: for a year, Boston College as a graduate assistant for 214 00:08:56,640 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: two which is right down the road, and then as 215 00:08:58,840 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: I talked about, one of the assistants Harvard got the 216 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:02,679 Speaker 1: head job at Yale. I went there and really had 217 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,960 Speaker 1: like I had not, as you said, setting goals and plans, 218 00:09:04,960 --> 00:09:06,719 Speaker 1: Like certainly the NFL was there, but I didn't know 219 00:09:06,720 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: a lot of people in it. And at that point 220 00:09:08,720 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: I was, you know, it's my first position job. I 221 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:12,200 Speaker 1: was recruit my own areas at Yale and it was 222 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: a lot of fun. 223 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: And I got a call kind of out of the 224 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 2: blue from one of the assistant coaches at Cleveland I 225 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 2: think he was an administrator at the time, and he 226 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 2: kind of said, Hey, we're looking to hire these type 227 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:25,359 Speaker 2: of intern positions. 228 00:09:25,559 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: You know. 229 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 2: I think at the time New England had started them. 230 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 2: They were the twenty for twenty jobs. You work twenty 231 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: hours a day, year round, and you make like twenty 232 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:34,599 Speaker 2: grand I think that was kind of how they sold it. 233 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 2: And he's like, is this something you'd be interested in 234 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 2: and it was a I think it legitimately cut my 235 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,439 Speaker 2: pay in half, and I was like, yeah, like absolutely, 236 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:43,080 Speaker 2: Like where do I sign it? Like didn't really know 237 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: how I got in the door at first, but I'm like, 238 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:47,240 Speaker 2: did a quick phone interview. They're like, hey, we'll call 239 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: you back if we're interested. Were I'm like okay, and 240 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:51,839 Speaker 2: just kind of sat there and then it kind of 241 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 2: started to put the pieces together. So Ben Bloom, who's 242 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 2: now the D line coach at Cleveland, actually grew up 243 00:09:56,960 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 2: my hometown. 244 00:09:58,000 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: This could be a very long story. I'll try to 245 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: take your time. 246 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 2: So Ben Bloom was the assistant D line coach at 247 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: Harvard when I graduated college, and he was four or 248 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 2: five years older than me, grew up in my hometown, 249 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:11,240 Speaker 2: kind of loose family. Friends didn't know him that well. 250 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,319 Speaker 2: And when I started networking coming out of college, I 251 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,720 Speaker 2: was like, Hey, I need a job. I want to coach, 252 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 2: and he's like, well, the head coach literally just mentioned 253 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 2: this unpaid internship at Harvard. He said, if I have 254 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: a guy, you know, you barely even need an interview 255 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:23,720 Speaker 2: if you want to come in and take the job. 256 00:10:23,920 --> 00:10:26,760 Speaker 2: So got me that first job at Harvard. He actually 257 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 2: left before I got there and took a job with 258 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 2: the Browns with Mangini staff worked there, ended up in Dallas. 259 00:10:35,240 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 2: A guy named Dave Worganzi, who's now the linebackers coach 260 00:10:38,360 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: in Chicago, was at Harvard with Ben, stayed and worked 261 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,320 Speaker 2: with me for a year. So we worked together for 262 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 2: a year I left for BC. He actually went with 263 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:50,080 Speaker 2: Ben Bloom to Dallas in that twenty for twenty job 264 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 2: in Dallas. And again the random connections of the NFL show. 265 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 2: When Rob Jizinski got the head job in Cleveland that year, 266 00:10:58,080 --> 00:11:00,600 Speaker 2: the president at the time, believe was Alex I'm gonna 267 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 2: get his Like Alex Shiner and Alec had come from Dallas, 268 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 2: and Chud wanted to hire these positions, but he'd never 269 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 2: been in a building that had them, and Aleck had 270 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 2: just come from Dallas and they had kind of this 271 00:11:12,600 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 2: program going. So Chud was like, Hey, can I reach 272 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 2: out to Ben and Dave about the program, how much 273 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 2: they made, what they did, what it looked like. And 274 00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:21,680 Speaker 2: I guess when they called these guys, they're like, Hey, 275 00:11:21,720 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 2: if you're looking for names, there's a guy Yale who'd 276 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 2: be a great candidate. Give him a call. You might 277 00:11:26,160 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 2: be interested. So that started the process and then the 278 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: interview was wild. I actually my wife I don't even 279 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:34,280 Speaker 2: know she wants to hear this story again. But so 280 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: I was at Yale. It was like a Thursday morning, 281 00:11:37,760 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 2: at like nine am. I got a call from Cleveland say, hey, 282 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 2: we want to bring out for an interview, but there's 283 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 2: a massive storm about to hit the northeast. Like if 284 00:11:44,200 --> 00:11:45,760 Speaker 2: we don't get you on an airplane the next like 285 00:11:45,800 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: four hours, like you're not getting out here. And I 286 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: was like, well, I'm two hours from the airports. Just 287 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 2: tell me where I got to go. And they're like, 288 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 2: are you sure. Me and my wife were dating at 289 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:55,360 Speaker 2: the time. She's long distance, She's like six hours away 290 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,719 Speaker 2: in Rochester, New York. She was already driving to New Haven, Connecticut, 291 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 2: and I'm like at that point, I was like, yeah, 292 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:03,199 Speaker 2: I got to take this job. So I'm like yeah, 293 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 2: like I'll be at the New What airport and I'll 294 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: get there. And so he's like, well, if you can 295 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: get on the plane, you got to flight at like 296 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: one o'clock. I think it was like nine am. So 297 00:12:09,880 --> 00:12:11,640 Speaker 2: I like walked into the head coach's office at Yale 298 00:12:11,640 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 2: and I was like, hey, I know you're not gonna 299 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 2: be happy about this, but I have an interview with 300 00:12:15,880 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 2: the Browns and I need to leave, and if I 301 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 2: don't get the job, please don't fire me. And so 302 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,720 Speaker 2: he's like, yeah, he was great about he was really supportive. 303 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 2: He's like and he kind of knew. He's like, if 304 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,319 Speaker 2: you go, you're you know, He's like, you're probably getting this. 305 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:29,680 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't feel that way, but I'm glad 306 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: you do. And I'm gonna go, so see you later. 307 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 2: So I like I raced home. I threw like one 308 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,440 Speaker 2: interview book in a bag with like a set of clothes, 309 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: and I like it was like a two hour drive 310 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:41,240 Speaker 2: to this airport. I had a flight in like three 311 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: and a half hours. And I call my girlfriend at 312 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: the time. My wife now on the way, and I'm like, hey, 313 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:48,000 Speaker 2: I know you're driving six hours to come see me 314 00:12:48,040 --> 00:12:50,160 Speaker 2: for the weekend. Like I'm gonna get on a plane 315 00:12:50,200 --> 00:12:52,079 Speaker 2: to Cleveland. They said i'd be back tomorrow, like we'll 316 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 2: have a great weekend. You know. There was a longer conversation, 317 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 2: but that was kind of the gist of it. So 318 00:12:56,160 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 2: she's like great. So I get off for the interview 319 00:12:58,559 --> 00:13:00,439 Speaker 2: and basically the interviews. You know, you go through a 320 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:02,240 Speaker 2: couple of your meat people in the staff, they'll talk 321 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: football with you, you do a little work for him, 322 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,400 Speaker 2: you go home less than twenty four hours. Friday morning 323 00:13:06,440 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 2: flight got canceled, Saturday morning flight got canceled, Sunday morning 324 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: flight got canceled. At this point, my wife is literally 325 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 2: I think the I think we got almost four feet 326 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,560 Speaker 2: of snow in New Haven, Connecticut. So she is she 327 00:13:16,600 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 2: can't leave my apartment. And it's like, look, I'm not 328 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:20,760 Speaker 2: making a ton of money. You know, she's living with 329 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:22,959 Speaker 2: two other people she doesn't know in an apartment she 330 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 2: can't leave. So I didn't earn a lot of points 331 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:29,800 Speaker 2: on this one, and so at that point I just 332 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:31,440 Speaker 2: was stuck there. So they just kept bringing me back 333 00:13:31,480 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 2: to the facility to do more work. And then I 334 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:35,680 Speaker 2: think on Sunday afternoon they finally got me a flight 335 00:13:35,679 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: that left at like eight pm on Sunday, and like 336 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 2: at like five pm on Sunday, ched was like, well, 337 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 2: you've worked for us for three days, Like do you 338 00:13:42,600 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: want to just keep going? And I was like yeah, absolutely, 339 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:47,080 Speaker 2: Like when do I start? And he's like, well, when 340 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 2: can you get out here? And I was like, well, 341 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 2: New Haven's a six hour drive. I could probably put 342 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 2: the stuff in my car in two hours. I'm like, 343 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: I'll leave Monday afternoon. So finally got on a flight Sunday, 344 00:13:56,920 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 2: and my wife at that point already to go back 345 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 2: to Rochester, so never saw her. They got the snow 346 00:14:00,840 --> 00:14:03,800 Speaker 2: out of there, she left. I landed Sunday night around midnight, 347 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: went into Yale, was like, hey, I took the job 348 00:14:06,480 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: with the Browns, thank you, and I need to pack 349 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 2: and I'm leaving in about five hours to go move 350 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 2: to Cleveland. And that was kind of it. So I 351 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,920 Speaker 2: got there and I was I'd only been on defense 352 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:17,760 Speaker 2: at that point, so like my first day day on 353 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:19,800 Speaker 2: the job, you know, Ray Horton was the defensive coordinator. 354 00:14:19,800 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: I put his playbook from PowerPoint to visio and was 355 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: talking to the defensive coaches and then I honestly don't 356 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 2: know how it happened. Like Norv Turner was the offensive coordinator, 357 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 2: would just like yell my name down the hallway when 358 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 2: he wanted something, And at first it might be like, 359 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 2: you know something n like a cut up on exos 360 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,120 Speaker 2: or like a college e val, or like hey, you 361 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 2: know whatever, it might be, and then like two weeks later, 362 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 2: I was just on offense, like never really talked about it, 363 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: Like Norv just wanted me to do things for him. 364 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: And by the time I did it for a week 365 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: or two, I was on offense. And then obviously stayed 366 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,880 Speaker 2: there for the year and we got to let go. 367 00:14:50,960 --> 00:14:53,000 Speaker 2: Norv ended up in Minnesota, and yeah, that's a whole 368 00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 2: nother wild story. But a lot of people took care 369 00:14:56,760 --> 00:14:58,120 Speaker 2: of me to get me where I am, and I'm 370 00:14:58,120 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 2: obviously very fortunate for that. 371 00:14:59,560 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 1: It's amazing how all that stuff happens. Not to bore 372 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,040 Speaker 1: you with a little bit of my story, but I 373 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:06,680 Speaker 1: just couldn't help think when you start talking about a storm. 374 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: So I've been here doing the Cardinal since two thousand 375 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:12,240 Speaker 1: and two. I've been at ESPN since two thousand and three, 376 00:15:12,560 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 1: and that my second year there. I was just at 377 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: the time doing like some a little bit of college basketball. 378 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 1: I wasn't doing college football NBA. I was just doing 379 00:15:20,360 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: a little bit of college basketball. I did the Great 380 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: Outdoor Games, which was dog jumping. I did the sausage 381 00:15:26,040 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: eating contest, and I remember I was a Saturday in 382 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: February and I'm sitting at home because I had only 383 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,560 Speaker 1: at that point was doing like fifteen games a year 384 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: or something. I get a phone call, Hey, brad Nessler 385 00:15:38,080 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: is stuck in a storm and he can't get to Lawrence, Kansas. 386 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 1: You're in Arizona. The weather's fine, you're not working. Can 387 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,280 Speaker 1: you get on a plane go do the Saturday primetime 388 00:15:49,320 --> 00:15:53,720 Speaker 1: game with Dick Vitale. And I'm thinking, first of all, yes, 389 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: who's playing? Who's playing? I got to prep in three hours. 390 00:15:57,680 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: I got to get on a plane and get there, 391 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 1: and you know the rest kind of his history it 392 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: helped me in terms of, like they carry you with 393 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: the vitality, think you can do the job, and you 394 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: get a chance. It's just crazy how that stuff works. 395 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: So I can relate a little bit to your story, 396 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: and the rest is history. Obviously. You know you mentioned 397 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: NORV Minnesota and now here in Arizona after another stint 398 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: in Cleveland. So if I put on NORV Turner's tape 399 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: from twenty thirteen and watched his offense and then watch 400 00:16:24,680 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: the Cardinals this year, how similar would they look? 401 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 2: I mean, I think to some extent there's similarities in 402 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 2: a lot of football schemes. So I think you'd recognize 403 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 2: some of that, but I wouldn't say you're going to say, hey, 404 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:38,800 Speaker 2: it's identical. The language is the same, the formations are 405 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,320 Speaker 2: the same. Who they're highlighting is the same. You know. 406 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:43,000 Speaker 2: Kind of what I've hit on since i've been here 407 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 2: is a lot of it's built around, especially when you 408 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: see on Sunday, is going to be built around who's 409 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 2: healthy and who's playing at high level. And certainly those 410 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: players in Cleveland in twenty thirteen, positionally and emphasis wise, 411 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:56,040 Speaker 2: maybe different than what we have here in Arizona this year. 412 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 2: So I think that part of it is going to 413 00:16:58,320 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 2: be different. But I think certainly his influence on me 414 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 2: is heavy, and the scheme and the system and the 415 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 2: way he coached, the way he related to players and 416 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,280 Speaker 2: the way he thought about attacking a defense is a 417 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:09,880 Speaker 2: big part of my DNA, So I think that will 418 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 2: always be with me in my coaching career. 419 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: I had Colt McCoy on last week, and one of 420 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: the things Colt mentioned is where his foot is positioned 421 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: in this offense. It's different than what he's ever done. 422 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 1: I think he said it was always his right foot 423 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: was forward, left foot back, and now it's reversed and 424 00:17:26,320 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 1: he said, that's something Drew believes in, and so I 425 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 1: want to do what he says. And as a lay person, 426 00:17:32,560 --> 00:17:34,520 Speaker 1: you hear that and like, why is that such a 427 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: big deal? Why does that matter? So tell me why 428 00:17:36,640 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: that's a big deal. Yep. 429 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 2: And a lot of that and my belief in that 430 00:17:39,840 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 2: came from Alex Van Pelt in Cleveland. So he came 431 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 2: up on that as a player obviously played in this 432 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,720 Speaker 2: league for a long time at a high level and 433 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 2: then has coached at a very high level. And you know, 434 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 2: as the quarterback coach in Cleveland, I leaned heavily on 435 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 2: him last year. That was my first year doing it, 436 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 2: and that was something he was adamant about. So me, honestly, 437 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 2: walking into it a year ago, I didn't have like 438 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: a has to be this way, had to be that way. 439 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: I've been around both, you know, I've seen guys right 440 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 2: foot forward. I've seen guys in balance stances. I've seen 441 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,719 Speaker 2: guys left foot forward. But I think the big thing 442 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:09,760 Speaker 2: about coaching is when you when someone gives you something 443 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:11,640 Speaker 2: or you're asked to coach something, you have to dive 444 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 2: in and dissect it. And so that was a big 445 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 2: part of my job last year prior to going into 446 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,159 Speaker 2: a meeting room is like, all right, this is the 447 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,240 Speaker 2: way we're coaching it. Why are we coaching it? Doesn't 448 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 2: make sense? How can I sell it and make sure 449 00:18:21,040 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 2: that it sound? And I think during that process it 450 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:29,080 Speaker 2: really solidified my belief in that footwork. Why it matters 451 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 2: is because everything the quarterback does, from throwing to decision 452 00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: making is tied to their feet. You know, we'll talk 453 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 2: about progressions. It's one to two to three to four, 454 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 2: and if it's a three step concept or a five 455 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 2: step concept or a seven step concept, how and quickly 456 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,879 Speaker 2: and when you move on in those progressions is immediately 457 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: tied your feet. Like we'll tell guys like, hey, if 458 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 2: you've taken that many hitches, you should be out of 459 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:52,920 Speaker 2: the pocket. The ball should be out of your hand, 460 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:54,399 Speaker 2: like either no one's open and I didn't give you 461 00:18:54,400 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 2: a good play or you weren't rhythm up with everything 462 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 2: else happening on the field. And I think you build 463 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 2: that time and that feel with your feet during practice 464 00:19:03,080 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 2: because a lot of things obviously in practice are on 465 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 2: air and there's that okay, this is when the ball 466 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 2: should be here, there's when it should be there. Here's 467 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,480 Speaker 2: when you should move on. And then in the game, 468 00:19:10,520 --> 00:19:13,479 Speaker 2: because it's not going to be perfectly clean, that timing 469 00:19:13,480 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 2: element allows you to go react and play at a 470 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 2: high level. You're not going to sit and wait for 471 00:19:17,080 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 2: something when you've gotten too far into your drop or 472 00:19:19,200 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 2: you've moved on too quickly. I can easily say like, hey, 473 00:19:21,680 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 2: that was coming open, but you took three step instead 474 00:19:24,520 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: of five, and that's why you move past something that 475 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 2: was about to come open because you thought you were late. 476 00:19:29,119 --> 00:19:31,200 Speaker 2: And I think that's what he's committed to, and a 477 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:32,840 Speaker 2: lot of guys in this rumor committed to. Not that 478 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,399 Speaker 2: it's different with someone who's coaching that with their right 479 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 2: foot forward, they're just teaching off a different timing and rhythm. 480 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 2: And this is one that I believe pretty strongly, and 481 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 2: just because I think it puts you in balance and 482 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 2: in time. With the routes that we want to. 483 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:45,239 Speaker 1: Throw, we're going to see a lot more huddling than 484 00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 1: we saw in previous years. Why do you believe in 485 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: the huddle? 486 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:51,480 Speaker 2: I think again getting everybody on the same page, allowing 487 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:54,320 Speaker 2: us to move guys around in the formation. So if 488 00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 2: we have a guy that's really dynamic, and we always 489 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 2: put him in one place. And I'm a good defense coordinator. 490 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 2: I think it becomes at times easy to defend that player. 491 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:03,520 Speaker 2: But if every time we break the huddle, that guy 492 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,719 Speaker 2: could be left right inside outside on the move and 493 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,680 Speaker 2: it's not obvious based to when we approach the line 494 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 2: of scrimmage, I think you create that indecision for a 495 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:13,080 Speaker 2: defensive play caller like, hey, I got to eliminate this guy, 496 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:14,480 Speaker 2: But how do I do that if I don't know 497 00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 2: where he's going to be? And then if he starts 498 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,560 Speaker 2: there and doesn't stay there, is that another added component 499 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: to what they have to defend. So I think that's 500 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:23,919 Speaker 2: a big benefit of it. I think certainly the communication 501 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,879 Speaker 2: piece of it is huge, like, hey, get everybody on 502 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: the same page, use the snapcount to our advantage. And 503 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:30,200 Speaker 2: I think a lot of that can happen in the huddle. 504 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,800 Speaker 2: And I'll also say there will be plenty of times 505 00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:34,320 Speaker 2: where we are at the line, whether it's no huddle, 506 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: tempo calling at the line, like you have to be 507 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,040 Speaker 2: able to do all those things I think in this 508 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 2: league to be difficult to defend. 509 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:42,199 Speaker 1: This is the first time you've called plays in regular 510 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:42,760 Speaker 1: season games. 511 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:42,959 Speaker 2: Right. 512 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: You did not at any point call plays in Cleveland. Correct? 513 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: How do you practice for that other than just doing 514 00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: it here knowing that you know, when the game's going, 515 00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: you got to be thinking ahead. You got to be 516 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: looking at your call sheet. You got to be trying 517 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,760 Speaker 1: to match wits with the other team's defense and their court. 518 00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: You know, if you got really smart players, you got 519 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:00,359 Speaker 1: a veteran defense, or you have a young dec I 520 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,320 Speaker 1: assume all that stuff is going through your mind. So 521 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:04,360 Speaker 1: how do you prepare for that? 522 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: It's you know, it's a big task. I think I 523 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,399 Speaker 2: was very fortunate in Cleveland the last two years was 524 00:21:09,400 --> 00:21:11,600 Speaker 2: given the opportunity during preseason to have a little bit 525 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 2: of experience doing that, which I think puts you in 526 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 2: that mindset. And then I think the other thing is 527 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 2: I've watched people do it, like I've been on the 528 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 2: headset for you know, almost ten eleven years now, with 529 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 2: some guys who have done it at a really high level, 530 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,560 Speaker 2: and you pick their brands like they were awesome and 531 00:21:25,600 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 2: open to me about like, hey, what are you thinking here? 532 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: Why are you calling this like after the fact, and 533 00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: like just to give me some tips and tools so 534 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 2: that when I go to do it myself. I feel 535 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 2: like I can lean on some of that teaching. And 536 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,400 Speaker 2: then I think the last component, and maybe the most 537 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 2: important component, because it's with these players, is I think 538 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:42,720 Speaker 2: we've done a great job of managing some of those 539 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 2: call it periods in practice where it's like, hey, it's 540 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 2: not scripted, like hey, there's four minutes in the third quarter. 541 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 2: We know about how many plays we want everyone to get, like, 542 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 2: let's just go play football. And in that case, obviously 543 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,439 Speaker 2: I know the defense I'm going again, and the the 544 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 2: defensive coordinator, so we're just hey, we're doing a little 545 00:21:58,000 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: bit of that as not live bullets, but you know, 546 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,400 Speaker 2: as close as you can get. And then after the fact, 547 00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,560 Speaker 2: you got to be honest and evaluate how did we do? 548 00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:07,160 Speaker 2: Where can we be better? Talking to Nick and JG 549 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 2: and they talked to me about, hey, did this work? 550 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:11,159 Speaker 2: Was this hard? What do we do here? So I 551 00:22:11,160 --> 00:22:13,720 Speaker 2: think you try to get as many different variations as 552 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 2: that as you can so that when it is live, 553 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 2: you feel comfortable and confident that you know what you're doing. 554 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:18,920 Speaker 1: Will you be up on the booth and will you 555 00:22:18,960 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: be downstairs? 556 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 2: I think I'm going to try both. I think it's 557 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 2: it was interesting. As a young coach, I was always 558 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 2: up and so in my mind when I got the 559 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:27,879 Speaker 2: job as a coordinator, I was like, I'm going to 560 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: call it up. And then the two years I had 561 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 2: the opportunity in Cleveland, I was a tight end coach 562 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: and a quarterback coach, so I was on the field. 563 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 2: So I had to call it from the field because 564 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,000 Speaker 2: that's where I was prior to having it, because it 565 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: was just a little bit in the middle of a game, 566 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: and I really enjoyed doing it there a lot more 567 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 2: than I thought, So I think that's going to be 568 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 2: something to work through here during training camp. My guess 569 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: would be do one up or down and kind of 570 00:22:47,720 --> 00:22:49,879 Speaker 2: flip flop during preseason to feel where I'm more comfortable, 571 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 2: to see where our communication as a staff is better, 572 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:54,240 Speaker 2: see where my communication with the players is better, and 573 00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:56,200 Speaker 2: then move forward in that way. 574 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,880 Speaker 1: A couple more we'll get you out of here. How 575 00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: challenging is it to shake beer offense with Colt knowing 576 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 1: that Kyler is so different that when Kyler comes back, obviously, 577 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: if he's healthy, he's the quarterback. So the challenges of 578 00:23:10,040 --> 00:23:12,359 Speaker 1: trying to navigate all. 579 00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 2: That, Yeah, I think a little bit of it was 580 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,240 Speaker 2: aided by We kind of went through a similar process 581 00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: last year in Cleveland with Jacobe and Deshon where you 582 00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:20,119 Speaker 2: kind of knew the guy was coming back, but he 583 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,639 Speaker 2: wasn't gonna mile to start, so you had to tailor 584 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:23,200 Speaker 2: to somebody else. And they were both new, they'd never 585 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,919 Speaker 2: been in the system, they'd never used the footwork that 586 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:29,240 Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier. And then I think another 587 00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 2: component of it is, at the end of the day, 588 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 2: the biggest part of what we did was a language. 589 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,879 Speaker 2: There's a generally speaking, a playbook. Ninety nine percent of 590 00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: playbooks in the NFL are big enough to adapt to 591 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,840 Speaker 2: who they have, but getting everybody on the same page, 592 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 2: getting the language and cult no like Hey, at the 593 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,680 Speaker 2: end of the day, this offense is going to be 594 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 2: built around Kyler's strengths, but we're certainly going to be 595 00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: able to go play and tailor to what you do 596 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,359 Speaker 2: and best and what you like by the time Sunday 597 00:23:52,400 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 2: rolls around. So it is a balance. But I think 598 00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: both those guys understand that and realize the nuance of that. 599 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 1: As we've gone through, a lot of guys on the 600 00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:03,199 Speaker 1: staff came from Philly, obviously, including the head coach. I 601 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:08,040 Speaker 1: think about Jalen Hurts. He has exceeded expectations. And I 602 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: remember doing his games at Alabama when he was a quarterback. 603 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:12,600 Speaker 1: I remember doing his games at Alabama when he was 604 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: a running back, and then doing his games at Oklahoma 605 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: as a quarterback where he's a Heisman candidate. And while 606 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,639 Speaker 1: Philly seemed to do whatever they could to fit his 607 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,879 Speaker 1: skill set, he also did whatever he could to mesh 608 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:29,000 Speaker 1: with what they were trying to do. So, because you 609 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: hear that question a lot, it sometimes questions asked us 610 00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: if it's one or the other, how do you view 611 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,199 Speaker 1: that in terms of what you're going to do for 612 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:37,480 Speaker 1: Kyler and what he needs to do for you. 613 00:24:38,200 --> 00:24:40,400 Speaker 2: I think that balance is exactly what you just stated. 614 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 2: And I think obviously they did an unbelievable job of 615 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,360 Speaker 2: an a Philly these last two years, and his production 616 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: and performance has been impressive. So it's a great example 617 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,399 Speaker 2: of the ideal in terms of how that can happen. 618 00:24:51,080 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 2: But yeah, I think that's really important. I think certainly 619 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:54,960 Speaker 2: there are things that I think I can bring here 620 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,879 Speaker 2: that are going to help Kyler play the game at 621 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,280 Speaker 2: a higher level. Obviously, he's played it at a higher level. 622 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 2: So some of that has to be tailored to what 623 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 2: he's already done, and then I think he also has 624 00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:05,359 Speaker 2: to buy in and has to embrace some of the 625 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:07,199 Speaker 2: things that we're saying, Hey, the first time you do this, 626 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:09,680 Speaker 2: it's not going to be perfect because you haven't done 627 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 2: it one hundred times. But here's why we're asking you 628 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,679 Speaker 2: to do it, here's the benefits of it, and if 629 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 2: you work hard at it, you're going to be really 630 00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,919 Speaker 2: good at it. Because he's obviously a very talented player 631 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,440 Speaker 2: and someone who's very competitive, and I think he's really 632 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 2: embraced that challenge. It's been fun to watch, even in 633 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,280 Speaker 2: the limited role he can have now with the injury, 634 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,440 Speaker 2: and I would only expect that to continue. 635 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,040 Speaker 1: You're a little bit younger than Colt. Is this the 636 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,199 Speaker 1: first time you coach a guy that's actually older than you. 637 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 2: Oh, that's a good question. Yeah, I think this. I mean, yeah, 638 00:25:36,080 --> 00:25:39,119 Speaker 2: this probably is the first time. I'm trying to think 639 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,080 Speaker 2: of it. You know what. I was in Cleveland when 640 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 2: we signed Willis McGahee, so I think and he was 641 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 2: a great guy to be around, but he would have 642 00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,680 Speaker 2: been the only other one and I wasn't obviously the 643 00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:50,919 Speaker 2: running back coach at that time, So this will be 644 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 2: my first time standing him up in front of a 645 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,240 Speaker 2: room where someone is older than me, which I'm I 646 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:56,920 Speaker 2: do remind cult of quite frequently. 647 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,879 Speaker 1: All Right, last one, because Ron Wolfley, who I do 648 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: the Cardinal games with, will be upset of. I don't 649 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 1: ask you this because he's all excited about the huddle 650 00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: and he's all excited about physicality at the line of 651 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: scrimmage and running the ball. Absolutely, how much of an 652 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:10,159 Speaker 1: emphasis will that be for you? 653 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: Big? And I think again, it's going to come down 654 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 2: to who we're playing and who we got and how 655 00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,320 Speaker 2: good we think we can be at it. If we 656 00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 2: think it's the best way to win the game and 657 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 2: we're going to do it. If we look at the 658 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,080 Speaker 2: opponent and look at us and say, no, we need 659 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: to throw it around the yard today, that's what we 660 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 2: have to do. But I think you have to be 661 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: able to be balanced enough to like, if you're not 662 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,679 Speaker 2: good at both, you can't make that decision. Yeah, So 663 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: I think emphasizing that and putting an emphasis on that 664 00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: in the meeting room, on the field at practice is 665 00:26:33,560 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 2: really important. And generally the offensive line loves those type 666 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:38,119 Speaker 2: of things right. That's what those guys love to do. 667 00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: So we got a great group in there. Clayton and 668 00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,760 Speaker 2: Chris Cook do a great job with those guys, so 669 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: it's been fun to watch and I know those guys 670 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 2: are juice to get the pads on today. 671 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,080 Speaker 1: Well, it's been great Drew getting a chance to meet 672 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: you and talk with you and look forward to watching 673 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: you this year. Awesome. 674 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 2: Appreciate you guys, thanks for having me. Well. 675 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,680 Speaker 1: As you can tell, Drew is pretty confident and he's 676 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,040 Speaker 1: really smart, and I'm really excited to see what he's 677 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: going to do in general, just being at practice in 678 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 1: a training camp for the last week. This is a 679 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,719 Speaker 1: coaching staff that's building something and each guy that I've 680 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,920 Speaker 1: been able to communicate with is really impressive. We'll start 681 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:18,600 Speaker 1: to see it unfold on the field here soon when 682 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: the Cardinals open preseason play. But it was great to 683 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: talk with Drew Petsing a lot of great stories, including 684 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: how he got the job with the Cleveland Browns and 685 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: how he got to start in the NFL and a 686 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: decade later now calling plays for the Arizona Cardinals. 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