WEBVTT - Israel's 'Secret' Nuclear Program: The Samson Option 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:04.680 From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 0:00:04.760 --> 0:00:09.080 riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:11.119 learn this stuff they don't want you to know. 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:13.880 A production of iHeartRadio. 0:00:26.800 --> 0:00:29.600 Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:32.960 Our colleague Nol is on an adventure, but we'll be 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:33.800 returning shortly. 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:37.280 They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our 0:00:37.360 --> 0:00:41.720 super producer, Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you 0:00:41.880 --> 0:00:45.600 are you. You are here for now, and that makes 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:49.200 this the stuff they don't want you to know. There's 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.800 a reason that we say here for now because this 0:00:53.000 --> 0:00:59.360 episode is continuing part of our long term fascination. Matt. 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:03.400 This is why for all the nuke fans, nuclear fans, 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:06.839 if there is such a thing, fans of nuclear. 0:01:06.440 --> 0:01:11.000 Weapons, yeah, we're all big fans of those things. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:14.360 Just like trash can Man in the Stand. I recently 0:01:14.440 --> 0:01:18.680 reread the unabridged version of The Stand and Man that 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:23.280 holds up despite some of Well, you could send us 0:01:23.319 --> 0:01:25.600 your opinions about Stephen King, we'd love to hear them. 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.399 I still haven't read it once, but I am still 0:01:28.440 --> 0:01:32.000 thinking about our episode on the USS Liberty and the 0:01:32.240 --> 0:01:37.000 history of the country of Israel, and I am like 0:01:37.680 --> 0:01:39.960 kind of scared to do this topic just because it 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:43.480 makes me feel nervous because we are talking about nuclear 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:50.680 weapons and as we know, those things can end a 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:51.600 lot of stuff quickly. 0:01:51.840 --> 0:01:57.520 Yeah. Yeah, I was definitely dragging feet on this episode 0:01:57.680 --> 0:02:00.840 for a while too, because it's an older concept a 0:02:00.880 --> 0:02:04.960 lot of people aren't aware of unless you specifically look 0:02:05.040 --> 0:02:09.440 into nuclear war, nuclear proliferation. You know, it's strange because 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:15.040 nuclear weapons are world enders potentially, they're so dangerous. They've 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:19.360 only been deployed twice in combat by Uncle Sam in Japan, 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:25.040 and just witnessing that made the entire world say, okay, 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.640 let's try to avoid this even with our enemies. Because 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:33.399 if one person or one nation launchers a nuke, other 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:37.320 ones will launch nukes in turn, a domino effect will occur. 0:02:37.800 --> 0:02:42.000 It could in civilization, and that leads us to something 0:02:42.080 --> 0:02:47.040 called mad mutually assured destruction. It's a theory that so 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:48.520 far still holds. 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:53.440 Yeah, the only good thing that nuclear weapons have brought 0:02:53.520 --> 0:02:56.240 us is if you are a country and you have 0:02:56.440 --> 0:02:59.960 those weapons, other countries are a little bit less dickish 0:03:00.120 --> 0:03:03.600 to you. That's literally the good The good thing that 0:03:03.680 --> 0:03:06.520 has happened because the threat of those weapons and mutually 0:03:06.520 --> 0:03:10.240 assured destruction keeps other countries a little bit at bay. 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:15.960 I remember, I remember studying with some of my edgier 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:20.200 old professors who would talk about this, and there they 0:03:20.360 --> 0:03:25.760 presented a series of great metaphors regarding how the tension 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:29.560 or as you said, the dictitionist builds as any other country, 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.680 even an ally attempts to gain the BOB. But once 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:37.200 they get the BOB, the tension eases because just having 0:03:37.240 --> 0:03:40.680 that means you are a participant now in mad It 0:03:40.760 --> 0:03:43.920 inherently ups your status in the world order. And that's 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.640 why once any country gains the capability of a nuclear weapon, 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:51.280 even if they don't really have the ability to launch 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:55.160 it effectively or reliably like North Korea the DPRK, they're 0:03:55.200 --> 0:03:57.560 still not ever going to give it up. Think of 0:03:57.600 --> 0:04:01.200 the lessons of Libya and other countries stepped back their 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:04.360 NWKE programs, it did not end well for them. In 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:07.440 different countries, they all have their own rules or policies 0:04:07.480 --> 0:04:13.080 about how they could theoretically deploy one of these massive 0:04:13.120 --> 0:04:19.040 weapons of destruction. One country in particular refuses to even 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:22.440 acknowledge whether they have these things in the first place. 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:28.200 That is tonight's grand conspiracy, Israel and something called the 0:04:28.240 --> 0:04:29.039 Samson option. 0:04:30.320 --> 0:04:33.440 Even though most of the other powers in the world 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:38.479 acknowledge it, we choose not to. It's very interesting. 0:04:38.600 --> 0:04:41.880 It's Joseph Heller, It's Catch twenty two. We'll get into 0:04:41.920 --> 0:04:50.279 it right after a word from our sponsors. Here are 0:04:50.560 --> 0:04:54.640 the facts. Okay, So, out of all the one hundred 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:58.200 and ninety five or so countries on the planet recognized 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:02.360 by the United Nations, only nine are known to have 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:05.840 nuclear weaponry. They're most of the ones you expect. There 0:05:06.160 --> 0:05:08.960 are some odd balls in the mix, Pakistan, India and 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:12.440 North Korea, and then of course the US, Russia, China, France, 0:05:12.480 --> 0:05:16.800 the UK, the winners of World War two, and and 0:05:16.839 --> 0:05:22.279 then Israel has nuclear weapons according to everybody on the 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:27.279 planet except for the nation of Israel. They it's because 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:32.640 they have a policy of deliberate ambiguity, which it's gonna 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.640 sound so surreal if you've never heard of it. A 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:38.960 lot of the a lot of like the international policy wonks. 0:05:39.200 --> 0:05:42.800 We call it the bomb and the basement. They never 0:05:42.920 --> 0:05:46.440 once submitted to having the bomb, but they also never 0:05:46.560 --> 0:05:51.880 once denied it. Instead, they have these these very old 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.880 they're almost like catchphrases at this point. And I'm saying 0:05:55.880 --> 0:05:58.360 this with respect because it is quite a clever policy. 0:05:58.920 --> 0:06:03.599 They're saying. The biggest quote is if you ask them 0:06:03.960 --> 0:06:07.640 about nuclear weaponry, Hey, tell us about that. Tell us 0:06:07.680 --> 0:06:11.360 about that facility in Demona or whatever. First they, by 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:14.240 the way, they told the US it was a textile factory. 0:06:14.440 --> 0:06:17.560 But now they say, Israel will not be the first 0:06:17.600 --> 0:06:22.239 country to quote introduce nuclear weapons to the Middle East. 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:25.120 But when they say introduce, they don't mean it the 0:06:25.120 --> 0:06:29.480 way everybody else means introduce when they speak English. 0:06:29.800 --> 0:06:33.160 That's so weird. They are they talking about, like Syria's 0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:35.919 attempts to get a nuclear weapon or some of the 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:38.960 other countries in the Middle East that wanted to have 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:40.040 nuclear weapons. 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.520 And I'm holding my forehead the way I'm sure US 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:48.520 ambassadors do when they're like, yeah, introduce, what do you mean, guys, 0:06:48.560 --> 0:06:52.560 what do you mean introduce? They mean to that point, Mett, 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:59.080 they mean introduce as testing or formally acknowledging nuclear weapons, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.040 because the idea is that if they do so with 0:07:02.120 --> 0:07:06.480 so many enemies in the region, they'll exacerbate those countries 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:10.000 push to get a new like Iran of course, or 0:07:10.120 --> 0:07:14.880 someun Arabia, et cetera. So they say it's it's kind 0:07:14.880 --> 0:07:19.360 of like a terrible, a terrible comparison a camera which 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:24.080 what professor told me this but terrible comparison is imagine 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.840 you go to somebody's house and it's the neighbor you 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:30.480 don't like in your neighborhood, and you say, hey, is 0:07:30.520 --> 0:07:34.600 it true that you keep a secret child in the basement, 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:38.000 And they say, well, we we're not gonna acknowledge that. 0:07:38.040 --> 0:07:40.280 We don't want to introduce it because you know, other kids, 0:07:40.400 --> 0:07:42.600 other people in the neighborhood would also want to have kids. 0:07:43.440 --> 0:07:45.200 Oh there are there are a lot of other there. 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:47.360 We wouldn't be the first one to have a secret 0:07:47.400 --> 0:07:50.920 kid in the basement. So right, that's weird. That's weird. 0:07:51.120 --> 0:07:53.680 It is a strange policy position to have an unacknowledged 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:58.720 nuclear arsenal but also be so adamant that another country 0:07:58.840 --> 0:08:01.920 in the region not have nuclear weapons, to the point 0:08:01.960 --> 0:08:06.080 where we find ourselves in this position today right where 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:09.080 we have this massive conflict with Israel in the US 0:08:09.200 --> 0:08:12.960 attacking Iran right now to prevent them from having these 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:18.400 nuclear weapons, and also seeing Iran didn't Iran attack that 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:22.000 facility that you just mentioned, like the Demona facility at 0:08:22.000 --> 0:08:24.080 one point earlier this year, and then there have been 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:28.440 further attempts to attack that facility. I guess we'll. 0:08:28.320 --> 0:08:33.760 Course, yeah, yeah, a compound if you want. Yeah. That's 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.800 a great point, man, because we know that one of 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:42.160 the ways Ally powers, as well as Russia and China, 0:08:42.200 --> 0:08:45.080 one of the ways that they try to prevent other 0:08:45.160 --> 0:08:49.719 countries from having nuclear weapons is through doing bilateral agreements 0:08:49.800 --> 0:08:52.600 or international agreements where they say, hey, we have the nukes, 0:08:53.360 --> 0:08:57.520 we're friends with you, so if something happens, you just 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.760 call us up, man, and we'll come through. You just 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.640 can't keep our guns at the house, right or you 0:09:03.640 --> 0:09:06.480 can't have your own guns, but will hang out at 0:09:06.480 --> 0:09:10.720 your house with ours. And it's so strange because also 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:17.640 this surreal position, this woo do we have nukes? We 0:09:17.720 --> 0:09:24.120 don't know what knows. Western countries have also tolerated this, 0:09:24.200 --> 0:09:27.320 They've gone along with it. So you're never going to 0:09:27.400 --> 0:09:33.760 hear an official statement from Western governments that is not 0:09:34.040 --> 0:09:37.319 couched in pretending to play this game. That's why we'll 0:09:37.360 --> 0:09:42.880 hear experts say stuff like Israel is widely believed to 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:46.720 have nukes when they say widely believed, they're saying, we 0:09:47.000 --> 0:09:50.360 know they have nukes, but we have to like play 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:51.760 along with Graham. 0:09:52.880 --> 0:09:55.760 We can't absolutely just say it outright. 0:09:55.920 --> 0:09:59.000 It's one of the worst kept open secrets on the planet. 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.880 It's it's just so strange, man, it's kind of strange. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.440 Yeah, I don't know. 0:10:06.840 --> 0:10:10.520 I don't even know what to say about it. Why 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:13.720 keep up the charade? Like the why? Why? 0:10:14.360 --> 0:10:14.560 Right? 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:14.800 Why? 0:10:15.360 --> 0:10:18.400 Their Their idea is that if they keep up this 0:10:18.520 --> 0:10:22.960 policy of ambiguity, then at least what the Israeli government 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:25.800 is saying is that if they keep the policy of ambiguity, 0:10:26.120 --> 0:10:30.319 other nations won't be champion at the bit as much 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:32.480 to get nuclear weapons. 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:35.080 But doesn't it wouldn't it increase it though, because now 0:10:35.120 --> 0:10:39.120 you're talking about secrecy. Now you're talking about secret stuff 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.320 happening in the dark rather than in the open. So 0:10:41.360 --> 0:10:45.520 then everybody has to assume what's occurring, right, and often 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:50.120 we've found I think that countries' powers will assume that 0:10:50.200 --> 0:10:53.600 the enemy is doing even worse stuff than they actually are, 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:58.720 out of a greater like to prepare for the worst, Right, 0:10:58.760 --> 0:10:59.880 that's always the goal. 0:11:00.160 --> 0:11:03.080 Right, hope for the best prepare for the worst. This 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:06.400 thing is is a very flimsy fig leaf, and I 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.720 think a lot of us can agree with that, especially 0:11:08.760 --> 0:11:12.560 because here's how bad of a secret. This is, how 0:11:12.600 --> 0:11:16.880 open this secret is. Despite this official stance, it is 0:11:16.960 --> 0:11:22.520 incredibly common for individual politicians and military leaders across the planet, 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:28.559 including Israeli politicians and military leaders, talk very openly about 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:32.280 their nuclear capabilities, even though you know, and quickly add, 0:11:32.600 --> 0:11:36.160 if they did exist, like, if they did exist, you know, 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.480 we could put them on German subs, which just happened, 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.000 by the way, we could put them in the air, 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:45.800 we could put them on land. It's silly, but it 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:49.600 does make a lot of sense. And then also, even 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:53.360 though they don't don't have nukes, they're one of the 0:11:53.360 --> 0:11:57.120 countries that has consistently refused to sign the Treaty on 0:11:57.320 --> 0:12:02.640 Non Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons, very very fine line. Oh. 0:12:02.679 --> 0:12:05.480 In another reason they won't confirm it, dude, is because 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.480 if they confirm it officially, that also means they would 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:14.640 have to confirm how they got the nuclear technology. And 0:12:14.720 --> 0:12:15.880 that's a sticky wicket. 0:12:16.080 --> 0:12:18.959 Well, I mean we can guess that it was the Americans, right, 0:12:19.040 --> 0:12:23.760 I mean, the Americans created them. And then pretty cushy 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:28.480 hanging out together in ninety Wasn't nineteen forty eight the 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.559 time when Israel formed, isn't it? Or is it a 0:12:31.600 --> 0:12:35.800 run around there? Yeah, so the timing works out pretty well. 0:12:36.679 --> 0:12:37.760 Just just say. 0:12:38.280 --> 0:12:41.240 It's interesting and you're close, dude. It's a story the 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:47.360 Jedi won't tell you. Folks. Yes, Israel became independent in 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:52.120 nineteen forty eight after the Arab Israeli War established that independence. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:55.280 The first prime minister, a guy named David Ben Gurion, 0:12:55.880 --> 0:13:00.480 always wanted nuclear capability. He saw that as a crucial 0:13:00.520 --> 0:13:05.720 step toward preventing another holocaust, another genocide, and they even 0:13:06.240 --> 0:13:11.360 sent operatives out across the world, including to the United States, 0:13:11.400 --> 0:13:17.080 to specifically recruit scientists. They vastly preferred Jewish scientists for 0:13:17.240 --> 0:13:20.760 a nuclear program. They were doing this before nineteen forty eight. 0:13:21.400 --> 0:13:25.800 But they also knew a lot of these folks who 0:13:25.800 --> 0:13:30.000 were their supposed allies, their supposed Western allies. They didn't 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:32.960 want Israel to have a bomb. So it wasn't the 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:35.440 US that helped them in the beginning. It was France 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:36.640 Viva lat. 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.880 Yeah, I know, that's the story, man. I just feel 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:43.440 do you ever get the feeling that the official history 0:13:43.480 --> 0:13:46.720 stuff is just kind of put there in the same 0:13:46.760 --> 0:13:50.040 way to mislead people. And I know that doesn't mean 0:13:51.720 --> 0:13:54.079 rethink all of history or any of those any of that, 0:13:54.120 --> 0:13:56.040 and I don't mean I distrust all of history. I 0:13:56.080 --> 0:14:00.960 feel like with something this this secretive still today in 0:14:01.040 --> 0:14:03.400 twenty twenty six, it feels like maybe they would build 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.800 an entire cover story for this entire thing. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.880 I understand that instinct, and I definitely agree that history 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:18.680 is a conversation. But from what I've looked into the story, 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:21.240 as we know, it was not the official story for 0:14:21.320 --> 0:14:23.520 quite some time as well, and parts of it have 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:29.360 never been verified by France or by Israel. So I 0:14:29.400 --> 0:14:33.480 think this was the true conspiracy, and it's quite Yeah, 0:14:33.560 --> 0:14:37.560 It's clear that factions of the US government or scientists 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:41.600 based in the US US Nationals definitely did want to help, 0:14:42.240 --> 0:14:46.760 but Eisenhower did not, to be very clear, So if 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:51.560 there was assistance coming from the United States government in 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.800 some sort of subterfuge or skulled duggery, then it was 0:14:54.960 --> 0:14:58.240 definitely not at the approval of the White House or 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:02.080 the larger military like and France was only doing this, 0:15:02.120 --> 0:15:04.440 by the way, because these guys don't have altruism at 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:08.120 this level. France is doing this because they are already 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:13.880 the principal arm supplier for Israel, and Israel is playing 0:15:13.920 --> 0:15:19.920 a huge role in France's intel operations as their colonial 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:23.600 control of North Africa starts to slip. So they're saying, 0:15:23.720 --> 0:15:27.000 if you keep snitching for us, right, and you keep 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:31.320 buying our stuff, then maybe we can help each other 0:15:31.480 --> 0:15:34.960 out a little bit. Like they even let scientists from 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:40.760 Israel's still hidden nuclear program roam around France's nuclear compound 0:15:40.840 --> 0:15:43.680 and they get asked whatever questions. It was a redditt ama, 0:15:44.240 --> 0:15:47.600 and they said, look if we can have because everybody's 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.560 still trying to figure out nukes at this point, right, 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:53.040 to make them better. So France's thinking was, as far 0:15:53.040 --> 0:15:57.720 as we know that, if we can get the smartest 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:02.040 folks in Israel's nuclear program to hang out with us, right, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:06.760 to just be lunch room buddies, then all of the access, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.960 like all of the research they do, we will learn 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:14.320 and so maybe we can even start building better nukes 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:15.840 than the United States. 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.120 Oh yeah, you can imagine that. But all of this 0:16:19.360 --> 0:16:23.240 is under the guise of peaceful nuclear energy, right, That's 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.680 how it got spun to the US population immediately after 0:16:26.680 --> 0:16:29.560 the bombs were dropped, like, here's the future energy source 0:16:29.560 --> 0:16:33.600 that we can all use. We need these things all 0:16:33.640 --> 0:16:36.440 over the place because eventually they'll be our main power source. 0:16:36.680 --> 0:16:38.800 And then you can see, you know, the United States 0:16:38.840 --> 0:16:42.480 had that whole program that we talked about several episodes ago, 0:16:42.520 --> 0:16:49.120 where the US would export essentially nuclear energy technology, know how, blueprints, 0:16:49.200 --> 0:16:52.360 all of that stuff. If you as a country said hey, 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:56.680 we are just gonna pursue the peaceful nuclear energy. We're 0:16:56.720 --> 0:17:01.200 not gonna try and spin up a bunch of things, and. 0:17:00.400 --> 0:17:04.160 Our ambassadors did a pinky swear. Guys, this is so serious. 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.639 It's all peaceful and so and you know, Matt, you 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:11.679 and I have talked about this for years now. The 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:15.879 issue is what makes that such I'll say it, what 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:20.359 makes it such utter bulks, is that the same process 0:17:20.400 --> 0:17:23.480 of refinement that you use to make material for a 0:17:23.560 --> 0:17:27.360 nuclear power plant is the pretty much the same process 0:17:27.520 --> 0:17:32.440 used to make weapons. So imagine if the imagine if 0:17:32.480 --> 0:17:38.520 you knew how to build a washing machine for clothing, right, 0:17:38.840 --> 0:17:42.080 and you said, Okay, I know how to build a 0:17:42.240 --> 0:17:45.440 washing machine, and it's going to make my country way better. 0:17:45.480 --> 0:17:47.840 It's going to make my house way better. It just 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:52.040 so happens that the exact process for building a washing 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.959 machine is the process for building a bomb. And one 0:17:56.040 --> 0:17:58.679 of them will wash one of them cleans you know, 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:02.959 you're under rus and the other one blows up the neighborhood. 0:18:03.359 --> 0:18:04.320 So you just gotta. 0:18:04.160 --> 0:18:08.600 Trust it's just lint en Richmond, that's all we're doing. 0:18:09.160 --> 0:18:12.520 Just it's some extra lint enrichment to U two thirty 0:18:12.560 --> 0:18:13.440 five lint. 0:18:13.920 --> 0:18:17.919 Right right right, And sometimes you know, plutonium, it's just 0:18:18.000 --> 0:18:21.320 another brand of detergents. You guys are tripping us. 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:26.159 Or it's got those scent crystals in it, you know, 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:28.280 just dump it in before it's fine. 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.120 And then they're like, oh, okay, well can I look 0:18:30.119 --> 0:18:36.399 at the washing machine? Absolutely not, yeah, yeah, don't go 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:39.919 in the basement where we keep the kid either. So this, 0:18:40.160 --> 0:18:41.600 I mean, it gets messy and messy. 0:18:41.720 --> 0:18:41.840 Right. 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:45.280 It's his story a tip for tats quid pro quos. 0:18:45.359 --> 0:18:51.560 And like you said, it's always advertised as peaceful nuclear research. 0:18:51.720 --> 0:18:56.320 Check out the amazing videos of the amazing propaganda pieces 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.320 that the United States had on this for decades and 0:18:59.640 --> 0:19:02.919 also so the US at the same time to our 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:06.040 earlier point about history. They're getting more and more mythed 0:19:06.280 --> 0:19:11.119 that Israel will not let anybody see their nuclear facility. 0:19:11.160 --> 0:19:13.280 And they're like, hey, guys, we got a bunch of spies. 0:19:13.920 --> 0:19:16.520 They're just gonna say, we got we got we know 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:18.440 what's going on, Okay, we know what's in the basement. 0:19:18.800 --> 0:19:22.400 And they said, well, you don't have to inspect this 0:19:22.480 --> 0:19:27.080 because look, man, it's a textile factory. You already know 0:19:27.160 --> 0:19:32.879 how rugs work. Yeah, you need our rug technology. And 0:19:32.880 --> 0:19:36.920 then Britain conspired as well to supply nuclear material to Israel. 0:19:37.119 --> 0:19:41.560 And then they also were like, mm whelo, chap, I 0:19:41.680 --> 0:19:42.680 haven't heard a thing. 0:19:43.720 --> 0:19:48.720 God well, and everybody knows. Just going back to the 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:54.720 non Proliferation Treaty of it all, you said, Israel is 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:58.960 one of four countries of the nine that have never 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:03.879 joined in with any with the nuclear non proliferation treaty stuff. 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:06.359 Isn't it weird that there are nine countries that are 0:20:06.359 --> 0:20:11.239 acknowledged to have these things and around half of them decided, hey, 0:20:11.280 --> 0:20:13.640 it'd be a good idea to not make a bunch 0:20:13.720 --> 0:20:17.240 more of these, to be careful to allow international inspectors 0:20:17.240 --> 0:20:20.240 from the UN to come through that, you know, the 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.160 International Atomic Energy Agency is a good thing, and let's 0:20:23.200 --> 0:20:27.080 all be above board. But there's still around half of 0:20:27.119 --> 0:20:29.760 the countries that say, nah, we don't want anything to do. 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:33.840 With that exactly. Yeah, it's a huge deal in nuclear 0:20:33.880 --> 0:20:38.560 studies because it's the prisoner's dilemma in real life. 0:20:38.680 --> 0:20:38.840 Right. 0:20:38.960 --> 0:20:42.480 It only works if everybody goes along, and if there's 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:47.879 even one dissenting party, much less several, then the whole 0:20:48.160 --> 0:20:52.280 system is endangered. It's quite a fragile system, just like democracy. 0:20:52.720 --> 0:20:58.960 You know, it's a democracy of nine countries, several of 0:20:59.000 --> 0:21:02.520 which very much do not get along, right, so getting 0:21:02.600 --> 0:21:04.760 them to agree on anything is kind of tough. 0:21:05.880 --> 0:21:10.879 Democracy manifest from. I can't remember hearing it. 0:21:10.960 --> 0:21:15.240 I've remember heard it though, so okay. By nineteen sixty five, 0:21:15.680 --> 0:21:20.240 this nation is capable of creating weapons grade plutonium, and 0:21:20.920 --> 0:21:23.720 sometime around the Six Day War, shout out to the 0:21:23.840 --> 0:21:28.040 USS liberty. They were able to launch full scale weapons production, 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:30.560 not deployment, but they were able to build the toys. 0:21:30.920 --> 0:21:34.280 And at this point, the larger public of the world, 0:21:34.400 --> 0:21:38.439 outside of the spoopy dupes and the experts that no 0:21:38.520 --> 0:21:42.399 one believes, the larger public, including the public of the 0:21:42.480 --> 0:21:45.760 nation of Israel, they don't know what's going on. They 0:21:45.840 --> 0:21:48.640 don't know all the way up until the nineteen eighties 0:21:48.920 --> 0:21:54.760 when an Israeli new technician with an awesome name Mordecai Vanunu. 0:21:55.280 --> 0:21:58.119 I almost want to sound effect like when we like 0:21:58.520 --> 0:22:01.440 an American dad. Did did you ever watch American Dad? 0:22:02.160 --> 0:22:03.080 I haven't seen that one. 0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:09.480 Oh it's okay, there's a character. There's a character named 0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.639 Ricky Spanish. We're not going to get into it. Shout 0:22:11.640 --> 0:22:14.000 out to the twelve people who are laughing now. But 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.760 the Ricky Spanish character always comes with a sound cue, 0:22:19.160 --> 0:22:21.679 so he's like Ricky Spanish and then a little bit 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:25.320 of Spanish guitar. So Bodekaiva New News sounds like it 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:27.320 needs a sound cue at the end, you. 0:22:27.280 --> 0:22:30.960 Know, well it's this guy is just a dude doing 0:22:31.040 --> 0:22:34.760 his job, but he's he's seeing what's happening, and he's 0:22:35.240 --> 0:22:40.480 understanding it, and he's having a crisis because he's realizing that, 0:22:40.640 --> 0:22:42.719 oh my god, like we're doing all this stuff. Nobody 0:22:42.760 --> 0:22:45.720 knows what's happening here at this facility. So he gets 0:22:45.760 --> 0:22:49.439 his camera out and he takes photographs of stuff that 0:22:49.560 --> 0:22:52.600 shouldn't exist, at least officially. 0:22:52.400 --> 0:22:53.960 Not in a textile factory. 0:22:54.160 --> 0:22:58.840 That's for sure, same factory we were talking about at 0:22:58.880 --> 0:23:00.000 the very beginning of this. 0:23:00.760 --> 0:23:03.119 And that's where he's working. And he has, like you 0:23:03.160 --> 0:23:07.760 were saying, tons of photographs. And despite these photographs being 0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:11.240 widely published, first in British press and then around the world, 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:17.040 the government of Israel has still never once acknowledged these capabilities. 0:23:17.200 --> 0:23:21.600 And that's why estimates even now in twenty twenty six 0:23:21.840 --> 0:23:26.439 on their capabilities vary so widely. Like if you you know, 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:29.760 if you do a typical like Google or Wikipedias or 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:35.040 you'll see it's estimated that Israel has something between ninety 0:23:35.080 --> 0:23:39.600 warheads or up to four hundred. That's a huge range, 0:23:39.760 --> 0:23:44.520 especially for things that are this dangerous. But also that 0:23:44.720 --> 0:23:49.480 is coming from expert research that is not just AI slop. 0:23:51.119 --> 0:23:53.600 The rest of the world. I mean, probably a few 0:23:53.600 --> 0:23:55.879 people know now, but the rest of the world for 0:23:56.000 --> 0:24:00.800 most of the time had no idea how many Israel 0:24:00.880 --> 0:24:05.639 actually possesses. And we still really don't, and you know, 0:24:05.680 --> 0:24:08.240 it's hard to talk about it. Part of the reason 0:24:08.520 --> 0:24:10.840 we have been so careful with this is because anti 0:24:10.880 --> 0:24:14.680 Semitism gets caught up in the mix so very easily. 0:24:14.920 --> 0:24:17.480 You know, a lot of racist. People are going, well, yes, 0:24:17.640 --> 0:24:21.560 of course the nation of what other nation would lie? 0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:25.160 And the answer is, folks, all of them, all of 0:24:25.200 --> 0:24:28.600 the nations will lie to you whenever it benefits them. 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:31.840 Oh yeah, for sure. That's that's definitely one thing we 0:24:31.880 --> 0:24:37.159 have discovered in all of our days, hours, minutes doing 0:24:37.200 --> 0:24:39.600 this research. I do want to put this out there 0:24:39.680 --> 0:24:42.080 just because it is. It's pretty easy to find if 0:24:42.119 --> 0:24:46.160 you look up the Demona Research Center or the Negev 0:24:47.720 --> 0:24:51.359 Nuclear Research Center. The full name if you want to 0:24:51.440 --> 0:24:56.080 dive into the research is the Shimon Perez Negev Nuclear 0:24:56.160 --> 0:25:00.199 Research Center. And you can see satellite footage of this 0:25:00.280 --> 0:25:04.080 place from years and years and years ago up until 0:25:04.200 --> 0:25:07.840 really recent satellite footage of the place, and that has 0:25:07.840 --> 0:25:12.120 been reported on in recent news where they're looking at 0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:15.760 new facilities. They call it this one thing that was 0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:18.359 being built there earlier this year, the big black box. 0:25:18.720 --> 0:25:22.239 Well that's what do you think that might be? Is 0:25:22.280 --> 0:25:24.840 what the world press says. But just to put out 0:25:24.840 --> 0:25:27.640 there that it exists. Right now, we are talking about 0:25:27.680 --> 0:25:30.000 the history of this place and the research there and 0:25:30.040 --> 0:25:31.879 all of the things and the reasons behind it. But 0:25:32.000 --> 0:25:35.200