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Speaker 1: San Antonio District judge resigns after a federal corruption probe.

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Speaker 2: A former San Antonio, Texas judge goes to federal prison

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Speaker 2: after pleading guilty to accepting bribes in exchange for rigging

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Speaker 2: cases in his court. Angus McGuinty committed the ultimate judicial sin.

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Speaker 2: Why did you do it?

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Speaker 1: I did it because I was foolish.

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Speaker 3: Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: Do you want a podcast?

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Speaker 3: Here're your hosts, John Annick and Kenny Florian.

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Speaker 4: I do want a podcast.

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Speaker 6: I really need a podcast today because there's a lot

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Speaker 6: to get off my chest in the best of ways.

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Speaker 6: Glad to have one in the can, that's for sure.

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Speaker 6: It is Monday, May eleventh, The year is two twenty twenty.

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Speaker 6: It's episode two forty nine of the Anak and Florian podcast,

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Speaker 6: and coincidentally we will be recapping UFC two forty nine

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Speaker 6: Ferguson versus Gaechee today. A lot to get to as

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Speaker 6: we unpack every different layer of what was a great

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Speaker 6: fight card but a very interesting fight week, in one

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Speaker 6: that obviously we will not soon forget. Waiting on ken

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Speaker 6: Flow here, we're doing a little bit of an earlier

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Speaker 6: start time today. My man TJ. DeSantis is ready to go.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, if you caught TJ over the weekend,

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Speaker 6: great post coverage at UFC fight pass dot com. But

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Speaker 6: we have a little bit of an earlier start today,

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Speaker 6: so we're waiting on Kenflow. But as you might expect,

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Speaker 6: having gone through this first fight week, I got a

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Speaker 6: fucking shit ton to talk about, so I'm gonna just

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Speaker 6: start with some of that stuff. So I gotta give

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Speaker 6: the UFC credit right for everything that they put in

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Speaker 6: place from a protocol standpoint to make us feel safe,

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Speaker 6: not just on fight night, but now that we're coming

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Speaker 6: out the other side and getting ready for another show.

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Speaker 6: You see my yellow wristband here if you're watching on YouTube.

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Speaker 6: So I went back and got screened again this morning,

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Speaker 6: and that part of the process has been ongoing. It's

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Speaker 6: been mandatory that we've had to go get screened every day,

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Speaker 6: but this whole week has just been fucking crazy. And

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Speaker 6: it's nice to be able to sit here and talk

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Speaker 6: to you guys having gotten UFC two forty nine done.

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Speaker 6: Because when JACKA Day Sosa's test came down on Friday night,

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Speaker 6: tested positive for COVID nineteen and then there was another fighter,

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Speaker 6: then you start to wonder, man, you know, how.

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Speaker 4: Deep does this run?

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Speaker 6: But obviously you had twenty five camps come in here

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Speaker 6: and you only had one fighter test positive. We had

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Speaker 6: and we have another show, of course, on Wednesday, so

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Speaker 6: hopefully those athletes and coaches are clean, and Wednesday, the

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Speaker 6: UFC fight out at ESPN Plus goes off without a hitch.

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Speaker 6: But broadcasting from those separate tables was certainly an adjustment

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Speaker 6: for us. I'm an affectionate guy, as I said on

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Speaker 6: the show last week, right, so to not be able

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Speaker 6: to have that physical content. There are times when they

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Speaker 6: need me to get a promo read in and I

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Speaker 6: him down to get in there. I didn't have that opportunity, right,

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Speaker 6: the fight action, of which there.

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Speaker 4: Was a lot. But it was a great night. Obviously.

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Speaker 6: The fighters came up big, you know, a lot of

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Speaker 6: decisions on the prelims with the exception of Acent de

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Speaker 6: and furious.

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Speaker 4: On pay per view.

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Speaker 6: But let's start with the fight atmosphere and then we'll

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Speaker 6: get into Tony Ferguson and Justin Gatchie. We've got some

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Speaker 6: voicemails from our listeners, so TJ, let's start with h.

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Speaker 6: Let's start with Joe h our first voicemail. See what

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Speaker 7: I'm a little bit slow. Sorry, that's okay. You got

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Speaker 7: everybody working early on a Monday. I mean, Ken doesn't

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Speaker 5: Joe from here.

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Speaker 8: Follow me on Twitter at Joe at eighty five by

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Speaker 8: John Anitt, Good job, John, Happy Sunday, Happy Mother's Day.

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Speaker 5: It's everybody.

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Speaker 8: What an exciting event last night, Prop says to Hudo,

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Speaker 8: Outstanding performance from Geechee. I mean, what can you say?

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Speaker 8: The guy just dominated one of the freak athletes in

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Speaker 8: And just a quick question for John, how did you

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Speaker 8: feel when jocor Ray tested positive for the Corona Man,

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Speaker 8: I'd really like to know someone's feelings that was on

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Speaker 5: So that's it.

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Speaker 8: Have a good one, and I thanks.

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Speaker 6: Left Fellows, Thank you, Joe, appreciate the support all along.

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Speaker 6: I sort of felt like Jock and Ray might test

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Speaker 6: And given the nature of our show, and TJ knows

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Speaker 7: You're not internationally traveling much in the last couple of weeks.

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Speaker 7: At this point, I wonder if Jacquaray would even have

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Speaker 4: You gotta feel for you Riyah Hall.

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Speaker 6: Perpetual head damage. Maybe too tough for their own good,

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Speaker 4: But there was an obvious.

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Speaker 6: He had a conversation with Trevor Whitman and basically intubated

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Speaker 5: you're not really listening to anybody, So that that could

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00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,720
Speaker 5: have been the problem right there. So I don't want

437
00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,840
Speaker 5: to go out and talk anything about, you know, the coaches,

438
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,679
Speaker 5: because we don't know their relationship and their position. But

439
00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 5: if you observe there's a big difference in the relationship

440
00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:25,199
Speaker 5: between Trevor Whitman and Justin Gaegee, is there is you

441
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:27,639
Speaker 5: know in the other corner. I mean, there was a

442
00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:30,840
Speaker 5: total disconnect and then there was a total connect, And

443
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Speaker 5: I honestly believed that had a lot to do with

444
00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:37,280
Speaker 5: Gai Chee winning that fight, and hats off to those guys. Man.

445
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,520
Speaker 5: It's just great to see because you could see they

446
00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:43,280
Speaker 5: how well they know each other and communication is it's calm,

447
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:47,040
Speaker 5: it's insightful. He listened, he made the adjustments, take something

448
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 5: off your punches. This was great work man, So hats

449
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 5: off to those guys. And again, you know, as a coach, man,

450
00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 5: I love to see it. And Trevor is just a

451
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 5: nice guy, deserves all the accolades he could get, and

452
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,119
Speaker 5: it was just fun to watch as a coach. And

453
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,399
Speaker 5: then you go to the other corner and it's just

454
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,919
Speaker 5: like even no urgency with the M and R E role,

455
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:07,479
Speaker 5: don't I look at it? Like again, I don't really,

456
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 5: I don't want to say. It's just you could see

457
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 5: that was a big difference in the corners in that fight.

458
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Speaker 6: Kenny Rashond Halloway got urgent later in the fight with

459
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 6: some advice and some direction for Tony Ferguson. You're a

460
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 6: UFC corner man, someone who fought for the title three times?

461
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Speaker 6: Am I reaching here? Any thoughts on that Ferguson corner

462
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Speaker 6: and their inability as a team to make any sort

463
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:30,399
Speaker 6: of requisite adjustments in.

464
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Speaker 9: The fight, you know you're not reaching at all. I

465
00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:37,080
Speaker 9: think the main difference is not only did the rapport

466
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Speaker 9: between Geechee and Whitman, not only was that different a

467
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,360
Speaker 9: different dynamic, but I also think they're just different fighters.

468
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Speaker 4: I mean, you look at Tony Ferguson.

469
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Speaker 9: I think what makes Tony Ferguson great is the fact

470
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Speaker 9: that he allows himself to actually do.

471
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Speaker 4: What he does in training.

472
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Speaker 9: He allows those weapons to come forth, and he's never

473
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Speaker 9: been known as the most technical guy. Are you going

474
00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:02,159
Speaker 9: to all of a sudden teach him how to jab?

475
00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:05,480
Speaker 9: Are you gonna, hey, Tony, keep your chin down? Why

476
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:08,679
Speaker 9: are you getting hit out there? Be evasive? That's not

477
00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:12,000
Speaker 9: his style. That's the big problem. So I think for

478
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:17,359
Speaker 9: Tony Ferguson, the corner was probably shocked, like shit, nothing

479
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:18,400
Speaker 9: is working out there.

480
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 4: What the hell do we do?

481
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Speaker 9: I've never seen It's rare, right, If you are a

482
00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 9: corner man and you're like reaching for something in your

483
00:22:26,280 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 9: pocket like ah Iminari roll, you got to do an

484
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,879
Speaker 9: Iminari role like that's not gonna win the fight. If

485
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 9: you're reaching for straws like that, like and just throwing

486
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,960
Speaker 9: one thing like this is the one thing that's gonna

487
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 9: win you the fight.

488
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Speaker 4: You're already pretty fucked if we're being honest, right, and

489
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Speaker 4: iminari role.

490
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Speaker 6: In terms of the degree of difficulty, yeah, it's it's

491
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Speaker 6: extremely I mean I can do it, Kenny, but I

492
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:51,000
Speaker 6: understand for a lot of people, it's very difficult in

493
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Speaker 6: terms of you.

494
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Speaker 5: And you could and you could see at the time

495
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,280
Speaker 5: he did it in the fight Getchie was to win

496
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Speaker 5: near him. It's made it even look worse. I mean,

497
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 5: it was just it's like the perfect storm of things

498
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,080
Speaker 5: just not going right. And again, dude, I had to

499
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Speaker 5: tell you had so off to Tony Ferguson. He's got

500
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:09,399
Speaker 5: a chin of I don't know what that thing made of.

501
00:23:09,600 --> 00:23:11,760
Speaker 5: But but I don't want to see that, you know,

502
00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 5: because he you know, I you know, you know what

503
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,240
Speaker 5: bothers me also about this is I do believe he

504
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,400
Speaker 5: earned that fight. He earned the right to fight could

505
00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 5: be and that really was the fight. When stuff like

506
00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 5: this happens, man, you know, he's doing the right thing

507
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 5: and it's a fight everybody. Look, we all benefited from it.

508
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:32,120
Speaker 5: But it kind of sucks that, you know, he might

509
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:34,119
Speaker 5: never even see that fight again. And that was a

510
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:35,720
Speaker 5: fight everybody wanted to see.

511
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'm so happy for Justin Gaechee and

512
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,800
Speaker 6: the life changing money, astunities that are going to come

513
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:44,920
Speaker 6: his way. But you're right, I am very sad here

514
00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,480
Speaker 6: on a Monday morning for Tony Ferguson because it is

515
00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 6: just complete insanity and defies all logic. Kenny, that he's

516
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,679
Speaker 6: never fought for the undisputed title. And while I do

517
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,360
Speaker 6: believe that history will look back upon his winning streak fondly,

518
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 6: this is a tough pill for him to swallow in

519
00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 6: a thirty six years old it stands to reason that

520
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 6: he may not fight for the undisputed belt after absorbing

521
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Speaker 6: this lost two days ago.

522
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Speaker 4: This was what worried me.

523
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Speaker 9: I mean, he's, you know, in my book, one of

524
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,080
Speaker 9: the best lightweights of all time period.

525
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Speaker 4: No one could ever take that away from him.

526
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Speaker 9: But as far as you know, realizing his dream of

527
00:24:21,280 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 9: being a champion in that division, that might be gone forever.

528
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Speaker 9: That's the saddest part about this. Now, this wasn't just

529
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,159
Speaker 9: the only issue. I mean, he had five other times

530
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 9: to do it against Habib, right, so we can't talk

531
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,159
Speaker 9: about those other things too. Just for whatever reason, it

532
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,960
Speaker 9: just never came to fruition and he fought a guy

533
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Speaker 9: in Justin Gage who I thought was a tougher matchup

534
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,920
Speaker 9: for him stylistically, and I think that ended up being

535
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 9: proven true on Saturday Night. And it was kind of

536
00:24:50,280 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 9: further cemented by the fact that we had Gaechie who

537
00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 9: was not only technically at its best that he's ever

538
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:58,560
Speaker 9: been in his career, he was the most composed gatech

539
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 9: you we've ever seen. He he paced himself the best

540
00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 9: that we've ever seen, and all those factors wrapped into

541
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 9: one who was allowed Gaechee to win that fight. And

542
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 9: it was just kind of terrible circumstances for Tony Ferguson,

543
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 9: who has done everything possible in his power to become

544
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:17,680
Speaker 9: a champion in his sport. And that's the saddest part.

545
00:25:18,040 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 9: Ferguson will go down as a legend. Yeah. I also

546
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,439
Speaker 9: I'm kind of further worried by the fact that he

547
00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:27,040
Speaker 9: took so much damage in that fight after taking a

548
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,199
Speaker 9: lot of damage in his career, and I hope this

549
00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 9: is not the case. I hope he takes a long

550
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,600
Speaker 9: time off and allows his body and brain to recover.

551
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 9: But this fight was concerning to me on how Ferguson

552
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 9: can take his fight, to take his game to the

553
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 9: next level for that next fight.

554
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Speaker 5: Yeah, and let me just say another thing. Who knows

555
00:25:46,520 --> 00:25:48,919
Speaker 5: what those two weightcuts in three weeks did. I mean,

556
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 5: I just felt bad for the guy because you could

557
00:25:51,800 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 5: see he's you know, he's a little different. But I

558
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 5: mean he did go out and made the weight cut.

559
00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,840
Speaker 5: If he would have won this fight, it would have

560
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,240
Speaker 5: been crazy. You know, look look at this guy. It this,

561
00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 5: he did that, you know, but it just it kind

562
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 5: of sucks because I agree with Kenny. He did everything

563
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:10,040
Speaker 5: right to fight for that title. I mean, his wind

564
00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 5: streak is crazy against great guys, and you know, not

565
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 5: realize that dream and and all all the things that

566
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,280
Speaker 5: come with being the champion, you know. I mean there's

567
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 5: a lot. Man. It kind of sucks, man, because I

568
00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 5: think he I don't know, I don't know what I'm feeling.

569
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,600
Speaker 5: I feel bad. Look, I picked him to win. I

570
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 5: thought he would, you know, eventually get to him. But

571
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 5: when that thing started going south, who knows. I mean

572
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:36,520
Speaker 5: the way his legs look, you know, he was turning

573
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,479
Speaker 5: his back and I know he does that in the fights,

574
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 5: but uh, I think it was a little difference I

575
00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 5: don't know. I just I feel bad that he even

576
00:26:43,840 --> 00:26:45,840
Speaker 5: made the weight and he was proving a point and

577
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 5: it might have backfight on him, I'm not sure. But

578
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 5: and it's not taking away anything away from Gaegee because

579
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 5: what a fantastic fight. And again Trevor Whitman calming him down,

580
00:26:56,960 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 5: saying take something off those punches was critical and he

581
00:27:01,240 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 5: made the adjustment. You could see they've had conversations in

582
00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,800
Speaker 5: the past before on what he's done wrong in fights,

583
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 5: and they're talking about in the corner like it's nothing

584
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,159
Speaker 5: like he's watching this format session. I thought it was

585
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 5: absolutely fantastic work.

586
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 6: It was a near perfect performance from Justin Geigee and Kenny.

587
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 6: He's such a fucking g that the one picture he

588
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 6: posts on Instagram was Ferguson's lone seminal moment in the fight.

589
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 6: He posts the picture of Ferguson landing that uppercut and

590
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,399
Speaker 6: he writes, face your fears, folks, Right, dude, it's a

591
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 6: total fucking inspiration. You know, I want a fantasy football

592
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,240
Speaker 6: league two years ago and my team was called Team Geechee. Okay,

593
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:37,960
Speaker 6: and I need to go back to that, right, But

594
00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,840
Speaker 6: he truly is cut from a different cloth than a

595
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 6: lot of guys, and I'm just so happy for him.

596
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,320
Speaker 6: Ken Flow. I did stay off the top of the show,

597
00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 6: and I'm not trying to to bring the show down

598
00:27:50,119 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 6: into this sort of morass of negativity. But I have

599
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:56,480
Speaker 6: covered a boxing death in my life, and this is

600
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,360
Speaker 6: how boxers die, Kenny is when they just absorb all

601
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,280
Speaker 6: that damage to the head for twenty five or thirty

602
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 6: six minutes. And thankfully Herbdean stepped in when he did,

603
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,440
Speaker 6: but just sort of piggybacking on something you said earlier.

604
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 6: You know, I'm afraid that this is a result in

605
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,119
Speaker 6: a fight that is going to stay with Tony for

606
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:12,560
Speaker 6: some time.

607
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 4: It's very concerning to me.

608
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Speaker 9: You know, a lot of people think, well, that's great,

609
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 9: he's got this great chin. That means he can take

610
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 9: more damage. It's tremendous. You know, this is exactly what

611
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 9: the superpower that you want if you're a fighter, that's

612
00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 9: what you want. The problem is is that you know,

613
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 9: it doesn't mean you're not taking damage. You're not getting

614
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 9: knocked down or you're not getting knocked out, but you

615
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,800
Speaker 9: are taking damage. There's a big, big difference, and people

616
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:41,360
Speaker 9: think that you know, because you could eat a bunch

617
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 9: of shots that you're fine. It doesn't work that way.

618
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 9: Your brain is still taking a lot of damage. And Geechee,

619
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Speaker 9: I guarantee you guys, that Geechee hits harder than anybody

620
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 9: that Ferguson has ever fought. And we've seen Ferguson get

621
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,800
Speaker 9: hit before, and we've seen him get hurt, you know,

622
00:28:58,080 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 9: a few.

623
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Speaker 4: Times in his fights.

624
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Speaker 9: And Ferguson at thirty six, that is very concerning to me,

625
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:08,360
Speaker 9: man I I for you know, Fergston is gonna quit.

626
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 9: You know, those are the two guys, you know, probably

627
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 9: the best examples out of anyone in the UFC that

628
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 9: are willing to die in the octagon. Some some will

629
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 9: say it, many will say it, very few are actually

630
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 9: willing to do it. Gaigie and Ferguson are those men.

631
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 9: And that's what was concerning to me, And that's why

632
00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 9: that stoppage was so good. You need it to do

633
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 9: that when you look at a reaction like what Ferguson did,

634
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 9: where he looks down, he shakes his head, he looks

635
00:29:36,280 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 9: down again, he shakes his head. He's trying to figure

636
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360
Speaker 9: out where the hell he is in time, and the

637
00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 9: referee goes in and stops it. Thank goodness, what.

638
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 6: An insane visual that was, and shout out to Ken

639
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,440
Speaker 6: Flow willing to die in the sauna by the way,

640
00:29:50,080 --> 00:29:50,600
Speaker 6: Yeah that was.

641
00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 4: Ray.

642
00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 6: We gotta sorry, We gotta move forward to Sahudo and

643
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 6: Cruz here because I don't want to shortchange any of

644
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 6: these fights with you. So it was for the UFC

645
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,960
Speaker 6: Bantamweight Championship, and right after there was an inadvertent head

646
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:09,480
Speaker 6: butt largely caused by Sahudo's forward motion. Ten seconds later,

647
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 6: Suhudo lands that seminal knee and finish his cruise with

648
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 6: strikes on the ground. Your thoughts on on Sahudo winning

649
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 6: and the Keith Peterson stoppage there, Raymond.

650
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 5: Uh uh man tough? I think again. Look, you know

651
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 5: what Sahuda does really good man, and you've seen it

652
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 5: over and over again. When he gets you in trouble,

653
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 5: he just swarms you, and he's hitting you so fast

654
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,880
Speaker 5: and hard it kind of gives the ref no choice

655
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 5: but to stop the fight. Now. Let me just above,

656
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 5: I'm gonna be, you know, going back and forth all

657
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 5: over the place because I do agree with with Dominic Cruz.

658
00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 5: I mean, this fight could have won either way. Right,

659
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,080
Speaker 5: So I mean not either way with that, but I

660
00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 5: mean he was getting up, so I get his point.

661
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 5: But then you know, again he you know, his his rationale.

662
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 5: I told him I wanted to know you could tell

663
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,000
Speaker 5: the Reugh whatever you want. He's there to protect you.

664
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: Though you could say that. I told him I just

665
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 5: want to let it go, you could, you know. And

666
00:31:08,080 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 5: then you know, when Joe goes, you know he had

667
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 5: eleven unanswered punches, he goes, well, you know, it's part

668
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 5: of the fight game. Yeah, that's it is part of

669
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 5: the fight game. It's the part where the rough steps

670
00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 5: in and stops, you know what I mean. So he's

671
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 5: right with that, but I think for the wrong reason.

672
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 5: So he Yeah, I'm gonna say it was Peterson did

673
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,760
Speaker 5: the right thing because he really was there to protect him,

674
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 5: and that's eleven punches was a lot. But again it

675
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 5: could be just the fact that you know, so Hudo man,

676
00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 5: he just jumps in there and he just starts swinging,

677
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,000
Speaker 5: and it's it's a split second. So if if dominic

678
00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 5: Cruz would have instead of putting that foot up, would

679
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,400
Speaker 5: have won face down, then then Peterson would have been

680
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 5: an idiot. It was too late. He should have stopped

681
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 5: it after six punches, you know, So it was he

682
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 5: was right on that fine line. I think at the

683
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 5: end of the day, when you're out to protect somebody,

684
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 5: it's it's a it's a good call, but you know

685
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 5: you go either way this one, this is one way

686
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 5: you go either way. Originally, you know, I agree with

687
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 5: dom he was getting up, but then I could agree

688
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 5: with Keithy's protecting them and that's a lot of punches.

689
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 5: Not to answer back, you know, Ken.

690
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 4: Flow a couple things.

691
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 6: I'm gonna try to say them quickly because I really

692
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 6: want to get your thoughts on this. I do like

693
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 6: when referees know the athlete. I would like for the

694
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 6: referees to understand that Domina Cruz has never been knocked

695
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,680
Speaker 6: out a mixed martial arts competition, has a hell of

696
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 6: a chin, so maybe I would have liked him to

697
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 6: have gotten a little bit of a longer leash. Referees

698
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 6: can't be focused on there only being two seconds left

699
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 6: on the clock. I think a lot of people, maybe

700
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 6: myself included, would like dom to have gotten those final

701
00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 6: two seconds. But Keith Peterson doesn't care if there's two

702
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 6: seconds or twenty seconds on the clock. But one thing

703
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,320
Speaker 6: that I just want to say, and for the profighters

704
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 6: that are listening to our podcast, I hope you'll listen

705
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 6: to this. Referees don't want to be manipulated in the

706
00:32:49,960 --> 00:32:52,640
Speaker 6: back as to how to do their job. So I

707
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 6: understand that Domina Cruz has a habit of going up

708
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,400
Speaker 6: to referees and saying, hey, let me die on my shield.

709
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:01,520
Speaker 6: But the referees have egos, right, and they don't want

710
00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 6: to be told how to do their job, especially when

711
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 6: it comes to fighter safety. So I'm not saying that

712
00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 6: worked against Dominic, but you know he told me by

713
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 6: phone when he tried to talk to Keith about that,

714
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 6: he wouldn't even look him in the eye. Referees don't

715
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 6: want to be told in the back how to do

716
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:13,560
Speaker 6: their job.

717
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's true. And you're absolutely right about the time thing.

718
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 9: That was one thing that I tweeted about. You know,

719
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 9: only two seconds left, come on. You know that should

720
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 9: not be on the mind of the referee. He's concerned

721
00:33:27,160 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 9: with the safety of the fighters, as he should be.

722
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,800
Speaker 9: It was just for me. I think he's still trying

723
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 9: to get up to his feet. He was posting his

724
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 9: hands on the mat, he was posting his legs on

725
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 9: the mat to try to you know, get up to

726
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,959
Speaker 9: you know, his hands and try to look for an escape.

727
00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 9: There was he hurt. Was that a brutal knee? Absolutely?

728
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 9: And I think Ray's right here to be honest. You know,

729
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 9: when you really think about it, if it's a question

730
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 9: of you know, letting a fighter take another punch that

731
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 9: could permanently damn damage him or stopping.

732
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: The fight, you gotta stop the fight.

733
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 9: However, you know, with Dom and his experience and stuff

734
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 9: like that, I would have liked to see him at

735
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 9: least kind of you know, give the guy a chance.

736
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 9: Those shots at the end, they weren't brutal shots. They

737
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 9: weren't like the knee great shots, I agree. They weren't

738
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:20,400
Speaker 9: like the clean type shots on the temple or you know,

739
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 9: on the chin, things like that were you know, Dom's

740
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 9: actually rocking forward from the shots he would Those were

741
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 9: like little, you know, rabbit shots to the side of

742
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:30,000
Speaker 9: the head or whatever that really weren't affecting Dom.

743
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 4: So in that regard, I would have liked to see it.

744
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 9: I think there's a difference between you know, a punch

745
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 9: on the ground, a big punch on the ground, a

746
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 9: punch in the chin. How hard that punch is. You

747
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 9: gotta take that. Take that all into consideration. But the

748
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,400
Speaker 9: knee was dramatic. It definitely was a big knee.

749
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 6: I agree with a lot of what he said, and

750
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,240
Speaker 6: his body was still firm to take those ground strikes.

751
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:55,880
Speaker 4: Rag go ahead, man, Yeah, I.

752
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,359
Speaker 5: Look, I think we're all agreeing on everything we're saying.

753
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,919
Speaker 5: This is why he was a tricky fight. But that's

754
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 5: why he gives se Hudo credit because he does. I agree,

755
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 5: the punches weren't that crazy, but he does put you

756
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 5: in the position where he's going so fast and it

757
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 5: happened so quick that he kind of got to jump

758
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: in there. That's where it gets to think a little tricky.

759
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 5: So hats off to Sahudo. I think he does that great.

760
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:19,560
Speaker 5: You know what I mean. He didn't He didn't sit

761
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 5: there and look the picky shots, you know, and hold

762
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 5: him down. He just started firing and uh uh you know.

763
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 5: And and the other part with that with that is

764
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 5: it looked like that fight was going to Hudo's way.

765
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 5: I didn't see anything. Yeah, that led me to believe

766
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:34,880
Speaker 5: that Cruz was gonna win that fight. It had. It

767
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 5: kept going even though it was very, very early. We

768
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 5: Shudo just looked like he was in tune with everything. Man,

769
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,760
Speaker 5: he wasn't forming for anything. His leg kicks were vicious. Uh,

770
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 5: I thought, I don't know, I.

771
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,479
Speaker 9: Thought Tom was winning the second round. Actually, up until

772
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,359
Speaker 9: that point, he was winning that round. I had him

773
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 9: winning that round.

774
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, he started looking yeah yeah. No. I look,

775
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna I'm not I'm not disagreeing or agreeing.

776
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 5: I just think it was an unfortunate thing because on

777
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 5: both sides, I could make a case for being stopped

778
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,760
Speaker 5: early of being stopped played. But I thought to Huda

779
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,560
Speaker 5: was fighting a great fight. Yeah, well, you know, he

780
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:11,239
Speaker 5: had his first time. I don't know if he was,

781
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 5: I'd have to go back and look at it because

782
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 5: in my mind's just thinking of the knee right now.

783
00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 5: But it just looked like he was It was kind

784
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:21,319
Speaker 5: of effortless for him, you know what I mean, Like

785
00:36:21,400 --> 00:36:23,600
Speaker 5: he did look like the movement wasn't gonna end up

786
00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 5: being a problem. I just that's preliminary and it might

787
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 5: be stupid to say, but that's what I was looking at.

788
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 5: So at the end of the day, I feel bad

789
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,440
Speaker 5: for Dom. Look, I know the guy I liked the guy.

790
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 5: I would have loved to have seen him get a chance.

791
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 5: It's just a you know, it's that's that's a weird one,

792
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 5: you know, because it could have wakenen the way.

793
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,479
Speaker 4: And you know, I'm friends with Dominic Cruz. I'm friends

794
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 4: with Keith Peterson.

795
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 6: I know, much as being made of Dominic saying on

796
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 6: our post show that Keith Peterson smelled like cigarettes and alcohol.

797
00:36:48,800 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 4: But I spoke with Dominic Cruz for forty.

798
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,759
Speaker 6: Five minutes Sunday morning at four o'clock am, and he's

799
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 6: owning this loss. He's really not making excuses.

800
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:57,560
Speaker 4: You know.

801
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,440
Speaker 6: He said he should have been more offensive and he

802
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 6: shouldn't have gotten hit with the knee. I do believe Kenny.

803
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 6: He was having a lot of success in round two.

804
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 6: But Henry Sahudo, right, of all the athletes that I

805
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 6: have gotten to know and watch since I started with

806
00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 6: the UFC, other than maybe Ken Flow, you know, no

807
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 6: one has had a bigger impact from an inspirational standpoint

808
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,320
Speaker 6: on me than Henry Sahudo.

809
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,160
Speaker 4: This guy is so special.

810
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 6: Look no further ray than the way he responded after

811
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 6: that inadvertent headbutt. You know, he didn't take the last

812
00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 6: twenty seconds of the second round off he went out

813
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 6: and fucking smoke Domina Cruz and defended his title. Retires

814
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 6: after the fact, tremendous combat sports legacy. I think the

815
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 6: only sad part for me is that he looks like

816
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 6: an absolute killer right now who is entering his fighting prime,

817
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 6: and at least if maybe they're not going to meet

818
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 6: his number, it looks like he might just walk away

819
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 6: for good.

820
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 5: Ray listen, this is what I loved about that fight

821
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 5: more than anything is. Let me tell you some If

822
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:55,239
Speaker 5: you're not a Henry Sahudo fan after that fight, I

823
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 5: think something's wrong with you. Even if the retirement, I

824
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,080
Speaker 5: don't know if it's a ploy for money, but to

825
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 5: walk out of this game, you know, on top like that,

826
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:07,279
Speaker 5: I personally love to see, I really do. And if

827
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:09,359
Speaker 5: he if it is true, I don't know. Like again,

828
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 5: it could be a promotional thing for money, but I

829
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,200
Speaker 5: think for a while, if he doesn't get his money,

830
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 5: he'll be fine going into the next chapter of his life.

831
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,439
Speaker 5: I mean, he was I believed it, and I could

832
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 5: be wrong, but I think, you know, Like again, even

833
00:38:22,320 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 5: when he said you don't have to listen to me anymore,

834
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 5: I mean you could see this is the guy that

835
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 5: you know pa people with the cringe and all of

836
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 5: that stuff, but you could see he's a really good

837
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,960
Speaker 5: dude under there. Man, that was I thought it was heartfelt.

838
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:36,520
Speaker 5: I enjoyed it. If that guy goes out on top,

839
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,279
Speaker 5: I'll even respect him more, you know, because I don't know.

840
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 5: I just got that feeling. You know, I have a saying.

841
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 5: It's like I'd rather be a starving dog roaming free

842
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 5: than a fat dog on a chain. And that's that's

843
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 5: what I felt with that.

844
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:49,200
Speaker 10: Man.

845
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,759
Speaker 5: Hey, listen, I'm not getting what I want. I'm not

846
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,280
Speaker 5: baland to anybody. I'm getting out of here on top.

847
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: Look what I've done, Look what I've accomplished. It's hard

848
00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,719
Speaker 5: to disagree with any of those accolades. Man, I mean,

849
00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:02,400
Speaker 5: the guy's phenomenal and the like. Again, I thought he

850
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,520
Speaker 5: spoke this is the best I've ever heard him sound,

851
00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,120
Speaker 5: speaking when he's not doing any bullshit or trying to

852
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 5: be a different person. I thought what I saw was fantastic,

853
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 5: and I wish him all the luck in the world.

854
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 5: I wasn't the biggest Henri Shudo fan, but I certainly am.

855
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 4: Now ken Flow what he got for me on Henry Kidd.

856
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 9: You know, he really is special. I don't even know

857
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 9: what to say at this point. This is a guy who.

858
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 4: Has everything you need to be in order to be

859
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 4: a fighter.

860
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 9: He's got some a different level of athleticism that you

861
00:39:36,840 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 9: just rarely see in this sport. But then you see

862
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,799
Speaker 9: that he's got the intelligence as far as his strategies

863
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 9: and going out there and being able to execute that

864
00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,879
Speaker 9: if he does struggle, Can you adapt out there?

865
00:39:50,200 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 4: Yes you can. Are you a world champion? Yep?

866
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 9: He's got two divisions. Are you competing against the toughest

867
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,880
Speaker 9: guys in the sport? Hundred percent as well? You know,

868
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 9: comes from an Olympic gold medalist background in freestyle wrestling,

869
00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 9: with which very few people will ever get a chance

870
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 9: to do. He is absolutely something special. If he retires now,

871
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,880
Speaker 9: he will kind of not only be in a conversation

872
00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 9: of one of the greatest to ever do it, but

873
00:40:22,040 --> 00:40:25,759
Speaker 9: people will be talking about could he could he have

874
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:29,799
Speaker 9: been the greatest of all time? You know, ten and

875
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:33,760
Speaker 9: zero Olympic gold medalist made it look easy, finishing guys

876
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 9: left and right.

877
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 4: He's got power as well, He's got a chin.

878
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 9: I mean, there's so many things about Henry Sahudo that

879
00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:43,000
Speaker 9: are checked off on the list. I don't think there's

880
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 9: anything left. Good luck beating that guy. Good luck beating

881
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 9: that guy. You know, if he if he stays, I

882
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 9: hope he gets the money. He absolutely deserves it. He's

883
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 9: someone that people should be talking about. If he doesn't,

884
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 9: I wish him the best of luck as well. And

885
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,920
Speaker 9: that's like a g move right there, him saying, you know,

886
00:41:00,360 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 9: I don't need it. I don't need the money. I

887
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 9: got my belt, I came in here, I kicked everyone's ass.

888
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 6: Take it easy, right, well, And you look at his

889
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 6: last four You look at his last four victims, right,

890
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,240
Speaker 6: Demetrius Johnson and TJ. Dillashawan, Marlon but I sen Domina

891
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 6: Cruz wins belts and.

892
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,239
Speaker 4: Two divisions defends them both.

893
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 6: And I do believe his inner monologue right now is

894
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 6: such that, all right, I want to be C four instead.

895
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 4: Of Triple C.

896
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 6: But I'm too small to fight Alexander Volkanovsky. I do

897
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 6: believe he thinks it's just biting off a little more

898
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 6: than he can chew. I just think there's too much

899
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 6: of a size gap there. So to defend the bandamweight

900
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:40,320
Speaker 6: title against pyotr Yan right now, I think he wants

901
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,560
Speaker 6: big money to do that. If that's not going to happen,

902
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 6: there's really not a whole lot out to prove. And

903
00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 6: I don't I don't necessarily see a whole lot of

904
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 6: upside in one more bandamweight title defense from a legacy standpoint.

905
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 4: So, yeah, you talk about G moves, Uh what a fuck? G?

906
00:41:54,760 --> 00:41:58,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm going one hundred percent with that, one hundred

907
00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 5: percent crazy, I really And I tell you that went

908
00:42:01,880 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 5: over Marlon Marise's fast thing. Because Marlin's a big one

909
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 5: thirty five and he's hit you know, he's a powerful guy.

910
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 5: That was a really impressive win. Manah. And like you said,

911
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:14,959
Speaker 5: he's getting he's gotten better. He looks like he's gotten

912
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 5: comfortable in his own skin or whatever was you know,

913
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 5: the weight thing isn't the problem as it was in

914
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 5: the past or whatever was going on. But he's he's

915
00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,759
Speaker 5: a handful man, he looks. I think what he's doing

916
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 5: is fantastic. He's getting out on top. And like you said, John,

917
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,719
Speaker 5: what is one more fight going to do for him

918
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 5: against peteyn who nobody you know kind of knows that.

919
00:42:35,880 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 5: And to Henry's credit, I mean, Demitrius Johnson, we all

920
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 5: know probably poundful pounded, best fighter, but you call it

921
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 5: kind of almost forgot about him with Henry being around

922
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 5: the last couple of years. You know, it's not and

923
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 5: I hear that by like again, that might just be me,

924
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:52,480
Speaker 5: but I think he's done such a good job at

925
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 5: capturing people to pay attention to him that, you know, Demitrious,

926
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 5: I don't remember the last time he fought, you know,

927
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 5: I mean I remember this guy's last couple of fights.

928
00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 5: So crazy, carrying two divisions and to go out like that. Yeah,

929
00:43:07,640 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 5: I'm going that's that's that's that's great stuff. Man.

930
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:16,120
Speaker 7: John Annik is frozen in time, and now Kenny Florian

931
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 7: is like looking around the rainforest.

932
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 5: Oh shit, oh you had those guys on video.

933
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're on video Ray. I mean we we

934
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:25,719
Speaker 4: haven't come up with the money to pay you yet

935
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:26,560
Speaker 4: for your FaceTime.

936
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,920
Speaker 5: Uh that's that's thanks. How long ago to the freeze?

937
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:40,239
Speaker 7: Oh no, no, I mean we'll figure it out. Now

938
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:41,879
Speaker 7: Kenny's microphone isn't on.

939
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, sorry, it actually finished out perfectly, ray actually, so.

940
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 5: Yeah that worked out great.

941
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, you had your chance to answer and that was perfect.

942
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 4: I mean, this is my kind of time. Don't act

943
00:43:54,040 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 4: like we're not on the.

944
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 7: Air, guys, this is my show the world and I

945
00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:58,880
Speaker 7: can carry this show.

946
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 5: I would like to bring in a Man on the

947
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:03,839
Speaker 5: Street TG.

948
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,919
Speaker 7: Yeah, hopefully we'll get in it back. We should uh

949
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,359
Speaker 7: maybe finish with this though. I know we're short on time,

950
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 7: but we got some voicemails and this one is probably

951
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 7: near and dear to uh Ray Longo's heart.

952
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 11: Steve Leet, big tent of the podcast. I loved you

953
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,840
Speaker 11: that last night, and whole lot of guys complaining on

954
00:44:23,880 --> 00:44:26,360
Speaker 11: the UFC first that they were going to put it on,

955
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 11: But I know all those same people watch the event,

956
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 11: so can't complain about it now now awesome fights. Really

957
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 11: enjoyed the show.

958
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:34,640
Speaker 5: Hope you guys keep it up. Now.

959
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 7: I feel like I got caught with my hand in

960
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 7: the cookie jar because John Annick is back and I'm

961
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 7: trying to steal us longwhere Welcome to the DeSantis and

962
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 7: Florian Podcast, John Annack, you can have your show back.

963
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: Just fucked up, TJ. What a weird day this has been.

964
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 4: Huh Jesus so long ago, your guys.

965
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 6: Steve great supporter of the show, checking in on the

966
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 6: voicemail line.

967
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 4: We appreciate that, buddy.

968
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 5: He's a great kid man, a great, great kid man.

969
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:01,480
Speaker 5: I don't I got nothing else to say. I have

970
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 5: a lot of fun with him. Easy manages to Jimmy

971
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 5: does a great job.

972
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 6: All right, buddy, Well you're always doing a great job.

973
00:45:07,120 --> 00:45:09,200
Speaker 6: I appreciate the support and the text over the weekend,

974
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 6: and we'll talk to you next Monday.

975
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:12,359
Speaker 4: Man, thanks for the extended time.

976
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,160
Speaker 5: All right. Then again, stay stay safe. Wow, I'm spitting

977
00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 5: all over myself, but stay safe over him and I

978
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,640
Speaker 5: hope everything's up to snuff. But look great. Great to

979
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 5: be back some sense of normalcy, Kenny. No banks up

980
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 5: at some fights.

981
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:27,120
Speaker 4: We need one.

982
00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 5: From looking at the ceiling to the fights. It was great,

983
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:34,280
Speaker 5: but great night, guys. I listen, and again everybody stay safe.

984
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 5: It was great, great energy, great vibe, great talking about

985
00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:39,879
Speaker 5: the fights again. I'll see you next week.

986
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,200
Speaker 6: Pleasure buddy. There he is, Ray Long go bringing it

987
00:45:42,239 --> 00:45:44,359
Speaker 6: here on a Monday. Ray Long a minute every week

988
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 6: here on the Anak and Florian Podcast. I'm going to

989
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 6: rifle through some of this other UFC two forty nine stuff, Kenny,

990
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:50,200
Speaker 6: and then we will get to Ian Parker here in

991
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:52,160
Speaker 6: about ten minutes. We also have a high school senior

992
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 6: schedule to join us.

993
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 4: TJ.

994
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 6: Maybe you can text him and let him know we're

995
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,279
Speaker 6: running a few minutes late. But I'm excited for that

996
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 6: as well. All right, So, so, Hudo Cruz, I think

997
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 6: we kind of hit on everything we needed to there.

998
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:09,279
Speaker 6: You know, I certainly feel for my guy Dominic, but

999
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 6: you know, I just feel like I feel like he

1000
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,360
Speaker 6: didn't get the live sparring rounds that maybe he needed

1001
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 6: because it was an abbreviator abbreviated training camp. I do

1002
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 6: believe Kenny that if there had been a crowd, that

1003
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 6: might have been a little bit of a performance enhancer

1004
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 6: for him. I just felt like it, you know, it

1005
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 6: just probably felt weird. I mean, and again, he's not

1006
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,440
Speaker 6: gonna call it ring rust necessarily, but I just think

1007
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 6: it had to feel weird walking out into that empty arena.

1008
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 6: He obviously did not get off to a good start,

1009
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 6: was moving very well in round two. I would agree

1010
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,160
Speaker 6: with you that up until that knee, he might have

1011
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 6: been winning that second round, but I think his movement

1012
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 6: did work against him in this finishing sequence.

1013
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, I think we talked about this before

1014
00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 9: before this event, those that really require much more timing

1015
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 9: because of the nature of their game are going to

1016
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 9: be hurt by this because they're not going to have

1017
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 9: all that sparring and stuff.

1018
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,759
Speaker 4: I still thought Tom would be able to pull it off.

1019
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:09,520
Speaker 4: He was not. Clearly that first round. Henry Sajudo had

1020
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 4: the game plan.

1021
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 9: Henry Sahuda was cutting off the octagon, and that is

1022
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,800
Speaker 9: something that is just simply not done against Domina Cruz typically.

1023
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,640
Speaker 9: I thought dom with that you know, kind of half

1024
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 9: circle type movement that he does with those switches and

1025
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 9: all those things, he was cutting the angle a little

1026
00:47:24,440 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 9: bit too tight, and he was running right into those

1027
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,240
Speaker 9: light cakes of suhudo and he didn't make the proper

1028
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 9: adjustment until that second round. The first round, he just

1029
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 9: kept getting caught with it. It also seemed like dom

1030
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 9: because he felt he was the bigger, stronger fighter, that

1031
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 9: he was going to go out there and bulie si

1032
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 9: hudo a little bit. I think when he escaped that

1033
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 9: clinch from the back, I think that boded well for him.

1034
00:47:45,560 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 9: But he was swinging some big punches and big kicks

1035
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,839
Speaker 9: that were missing suhudo big time, and I don't know,

1036
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:56,799
Speaker 9: it seemed like that was frustrating dom a little bit

1037
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 9: to start. He settled down in the second round, was

1038
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:00,880
Speaker 9: getting some momentum, and then all of a sudden We

1039
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:02,800
Speaker 9: all know what happened at the end of that second round,

1040
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:08,080
Speaker 9: but it didn't look like the typical sharp dom cruise.

1041
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: That's kind of reading the situation.

1042
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 9: It seemed like he was moving to move and not

1043
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 9: necessarily reading what Tuhuda was doing and then adjusting his

1044
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 9: game off of that in that first round, So that's

1045
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 9: kind that kind of hurt him.

1046
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 4: I think to start, a.

1047
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 6: Lot of referees are glorified when they let fights go

1048
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 6: and that ends up being the right decision, right. Josh

1049
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,360
Speaker 6: Rosenthal is a guy who had a longer leash, and

1050
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 6: you can be sure with a couple seconds to go,

1051
00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:34,319
Speaker 6: Rosenthal would have probably let this go to a third round,

1052
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:36,200
Speaker 6: and that might not have worked out so well for

1053
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 6: Domina Cruz. Obviously the cupman had some work in the

1054
00:48:38,520 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 6: Seku Sahudo corner, but you know, Henry Suhudo was the

1055
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:44,759
Speaker 6: better man on Saturday night. We congratulate him on an

1056
00:48:44,800 --> 00:48:47,200
Speaker 6: illustrious mixed martial arts career. If this is indeed the

1057
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 6: end that brings us to Francis in Ghanu.

1058
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 4: Kenny.

1059
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 6: I guess my lasting impression of in Ghanu's last four

1060
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 6: wins is that these referees dive in to pull him

1061
00:48:57,800 --> 00:48:59,959
Speaker 6: off of his opponent as if they are a parent

1062
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:03,480
Speaker 6: trying to save a man's life. And say what you

1063
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,560
Speaker 6: want about any technical shortcomings that maybe we saw in

1064
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,040
Speaker 6: this twenty second fight. You know, I don't know if

1065
00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 6: you're Eric Nixon his head coach, if you want in

1066
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:14,759
Speaker 6: Ghanu pressing forward with like a super high guard. But

1067
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,280
Speaker 6: this is the most terrifying force that has ever graced

1068
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 6: these eight walls.

1069
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 4: In my opinion.

1070
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 6: And uh, you know, technical or otherwise, He's just destroying

1071
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,440
Speaker 6: these elite heavyweights one after the next.

1072
00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:29,799
Speaker 9: Yeah, I will say this, man, if if you're a

1073
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,440
Speaker 9: fucking lion, you act like a lion, period.

1074
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: You go out there and you destroy.

1075
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 9: You get out there and you go as fast and

1076
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 9: as aggressively as you can. Why Because you're a lion.

1077
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,080
Speaker 9: And that's what Anghanu is. He goes out there and

1078
00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:47,520
Speaker 9: just decimates his opponents. He makes it about speed, aggression,

1079
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:51,320
Speaker 9: and power. He's willing to take that trade. He's willing

1080
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:53,759
Speaker 9: to take that trade that he is the fastest, most

1081
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 9: powerful guy now, can he be more technical? Absolutely, and

1082
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 9: in the heavily division it definitely matters. But for a

1083
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 9: lot of guys who aren't really the most technically savvy,

1084
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 9: guys who don't not a deal and diffuse that kind

1085
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,839
Speaker 9: of energy that Behano brings, he's gonna win eight, eight,

1086
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 9: nine times, nine times out of ten.

1087
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:15,279
Speaker 4: You're just not gonna be able to deal with that.

1088
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 9: He's gonna get to the target faster than you and

1089
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:21,360
Speaker 9: if he hits, he's going to destroy. And that's exactly

1090
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 9: what he did against Roses Strike, who is you know,

1091
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 9: has had a long career as a professional kickboxer and

1092
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 9: and Gano just took that completely away from him. He's

1093
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 9: just so fast and so explosive. Man that and he's

1094
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 9: very accurate as well. He he he's very accurate with

1095
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 9: his shots. But that was scary. It really is. It's

1096
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,600
Speaker 9: a different level of knockout power. Typically we're like, wow,

1097
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 9: that was great. After that one, you're kind of like

1098
00:50:49,040 --> 00:50:52,720
Speaker 9: that was insane. Let's make sure his opponent is okay.

1099
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 9: I mean, it really is that kind of level of power.

1100
00:50:57,160 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 9: It's it's frightening.

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00:50:58,880 --> 00:51:01,120
Speaker 6: And whether he's fighting Steve Bay or DC, you gotta

1102
00:51:01,160 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 6: think in Ghana's next fighters for the UFC heavyweight title,

1103
00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 6: and I know d C is not intimidated. Feels like

1104
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 6: he matches up well with in Ghano, but you still

1105
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 6: got to get inside and the round still begins on

1106
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 6: the feet, and that would be a fascinating fresh matchup

1107
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 6: for me. We've already seen in Ghanu versus Steve Bay.

1108
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 6: We've seen Cormier step a twice. I'd love it if

1109
00:51:19,120 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 6: somehow someway we could see in Ghano Cormier before DC retires.

1110
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:24,840
Speaker 4: But uh, we'll see how.

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00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:26,879
Speaker 6: They proceed with the heavyweight Division'll see I Steep Bay

1112
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,319
Speaker 6: can get back to training. We congratulate Mathu in Massachusetts

1113
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,720
Speaker 6: native Calvin cater on a huge knockout of Jeremy Stevens.

1114
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:35,200
Speaker 6: Greg Hardy look good and beating yorgan to Castro on

1115
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:37,800
Speaker 6: the main card. A little bit disappointed in to Castro

1116
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 6: stop fighting after he injured his foot. I don't know

1117
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 6: if he was just gonna take solace and go in

1118
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 6: the full fifteen with Greg Hardy, but he didn't go

1119
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 6: for anything after he injured his foot. I do want

1120
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 6: to ask you quickly before we bring on Ian Parker

1121
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 6: about the gaet chee Kabib matchup, and how you think

1122
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:59,160
Speaker 6: Justin matches up because with abiben Normago Medob, he's Floyd

1123
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 6: Mayweather for me, and that he's just never been flat

1124
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 6: on fight night. Twenty eight times he showed up and

1125
00:52:04,080 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 6: he's never had a bad night. So in one breath, Kencel,

1126
00:52:07,080 --> 00:52:09,160
Speaker 6: I would say Habib's kind of due for a bad night.

1127
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:10,680
Speaker 6: I don't know if Gei Chee can bring it out

1128
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 6: of him. How do you see that unification about a

1129
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,879
Speaker 6: one hundred and fifty five pounds play out.

1130
00:52:16,560 --> 00:52:19,200
Speaker 9: Yeah, not only has he been brilliant on fight night,

1131
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:23,280
Speaker 9: but also you can only count maybe once that Habib

1132
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 9: has actually been hurt in a fight. You know, for

1133
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,919
Speaker 9: Floyd it was like once or twice maybe as well

1134
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 9: throughout his whole you know, career. But yeah, you just

1135
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 9: haven't seen Habib get hurt. Why because he's such a

1136
00:52:34,560 --> 00:52:37,239
Speaker 9: damn good wrestler. I think Gaichee does match up on

1137
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 9: paper better than anybody in that division, perhaps better than

1138
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 9: than Ferguson himself, because of that wrestling background, because of

1139
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:49,080
Speaker 9: his ability to really put you out with one shot.

1140
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 9: He's got that style of that.

1141
00:52:52,680 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 4: I think that if.

1142
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:55,960
Speaker 9: He's able to keep it on the feet, he could win,

1143
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,000
Speaker 9: There's no doubt about it. There's not a whole lot

1144
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 9: of people you could say that about. The problem is,

1145
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 9: Geichee isn't the strongest ground fighter, so if he does

1146
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 9: get taken down, it's most likely going to be over

1147
00:53:06,239 --> 00:53:09,800
Speaker 9: and over pretty quickly. But if Geechee's able to utilize

1148
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,160
Speaker 9: that wrestling and find a way to get back to

1149
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:16,160
Speaker 9: his feed or prevent the takedowns, there's no doubt he

1150
00:53:16,320 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 9: is the far superior striker.

1151
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 4: He's got way.

1152
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 9: More power on the feet, and Habib could potentially be

1153
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:25,799
Speaker 9: in big trouble. But Habib could go in there and

1154
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:28,320
Speaker 9: take him right down, and if Gatechi's on his back,

1155
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,080
Speaker 9: Habim's gonna be all over him.

1156
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:31,399
Speaker 4: There'll be a submission shortly after.

1157
00:53:31,600 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 6: Now, you say, if you're a lion, be a lion.

1158
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,520
Speaker 6: If you're justin Gaeche as a guy who doesn't cut

1159
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,879
Speaker 6: a lot of weight, knowing what this matchup is, would

1160
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,960
Speaker 6: you change your stripes at all, meaning like, would you

1161
00:53:42,000 --> 00:53:45,200
Speaker 6: put on some muscle mass and have a bigger cut

1162
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:47,800
Speaker 6: to try to deal with some of those physical challenges

1163
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 6: on the ground, or do you think he should just

1164
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 6: stick to his stripes?

1165
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 9: I think he should stick to his strikes, man, you know,

1166
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:57,799
Speaker 9: I think that for Geichee, you know, potentially, you know,

1167
00:53:57,840 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 9: adding some more muscle mass could affect him in a

1168
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 9: negative way. And I also think he's just damp big

1169
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 9: enough at the one fifty five to be able to

1170
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,320
Speaker 9: give Habib a tough go out there. You know, I

1171
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 9: don't know if he's as good of an offensive wrestler

1172
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 9: as Habib obviously, but defensively as a wrestler supposedly is

1173
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,319
Speaker 9: what Gaechee was kind of known for, hitting you with

1174
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 9: his hips off of doubles and singles and being able to,

1175
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 9: you know, four takedowns. He's an absolute monster there. If

1176
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 9: he's able to pace himself and be in the kind

1177
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 9: of shape that he can be to defensively wrestle for

1178
00:54:29,080 --> 00:54:29,800
Speaker 9: twenty five.

1179
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 4: Minutes, Habib could be could be in trouble and then

1180
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 4: very quickly.

1181
00:54:34,800 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 6: Did you happen to see Bryce Mitchell against Charles Rosa?

1182
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,399
Speaker 6: I did early on, Bro. I need to know how

1183
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 6: you feel about Bryce Mitchell because he doesn't even have

1184
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,600
Speaker 6: a Brazilian jiu jitsu black belt yet, He's twenty five

1185
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,959
Speaker 6: years old, and he might already be the all time

1186
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:54,760
Speaker 6: UFC leader in twister attempts. I'm just curious your thoughts

1187
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,080
Speaker 6: on Bryce Mitchell and his ceiling, given that he was

1188
00:54:57,120 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 6: able to thoroughly outgrapple a credentialed Ricardo laborie Rio, Brazilian

1189
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 6: jiu jitsu black belt in Charles Rosa.

1190
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 9: Yeah, John, So you know, I wasn't necessarily surprised that

1191
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,399
Speaker 9: Bryce Mitchell was gonna win that fight, but I think

1192
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,160
Speaker 9: the manner in which he did it, I thought was

1193
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 9: very impressive.

1194
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 4: I'll say this, listen.

1195
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:16,759
Speaker 9: Hercardo Laboreo absolutely one of the best Brazilian jujitsu black

1196
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 9: belts ever, a true legend of the game.

1197
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 4: But not all black belts are created equal, you know,

1198
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 4: I think that.

1199
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 9: And then then there's you know, are you effective as

1200
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:29,799
Speaker 9: a mixed martial arts fighter? You know, I was a

1201
00:55:29,800 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 9: Brazilian jujitsu black belt early on in my career, but

1202
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 9: there were definitely certain holes in my game as a

1203
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 9: mixed martial arts fighter that really needed improvement with my

1204
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:41,400
Speaker 9: jiu jitsu. You know, my jiu jitsu wasn't necessarily applied

1205
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 9: as well as it could be for mixed martial arts.

1206
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 9: It took some time, and I think that's the case

1207
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 9: for Charles Rosa, he really needs to get better with

1208
00:55:48,760 --> 00:55:51,840
Speaker 9: how he adjusts his game. And Bryce Mitchell was just

1209
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 9: all over a man and listen, to be honest, if

1210
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 9: you're a Brazilian jitsu black belt and you get beat

1211
00:55:57,160 --> 00:56:01,760
Speaker 9: up like that and outpositioned, outclassed by a brown belt,

1212
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 9: it's a little embarrassing to be candid.

1213
00:56:05,680 --> 00:56:08,680
Speaker 4: You know, it's unacceptable that, right, Well.

1214
00:56:08,520 --> 00:56:11,319
Speaker 6: We congratulate Bryce Mitchell on all the winners, Vicente Luke

1215
00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:12,560
Speaker 6: and Nico Price putting on.

1216
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 4: An absolute show.

1217
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,440
Speaker 6: We will have more on our YouTube channel later in

1218
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 6: the week on UFC two forty nine, but we got

1219
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 6: two more live events coming up in the next five

1220
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 6: days or so. Let's get to the main event challenge.

1221
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 3: It's the main Event Challenge and.

1222
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 4: The time is most definitely hi face, Fine, how do

1223
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:33,400
Speaker 4: you every thing?

1224
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 3: Boss will to win the main event Challenge? John Nnick

1225
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:39,120
Speaker 3: and Kenny Florian.

1226
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 4: Podcast, Well, I'm gonna be candid with you.

1227
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:43,680
Speaker 6: In a perfect world, we'd go sixty minutes on the

1228
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 6: UFC two forty nine recap, but we got to show

1229
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 6: these other athletes some respect in the UFC has two

1230
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:50,279
Speaker 6: more live events in Jacksonville, so to that end, we

1231
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:52,319
Speaker 6: will get to the pick second straight winning week for

1232
00:56:52,320 --> 00:56:54,839
Speaker 6: the Ducky and Parker, who now joins US Live five

1233
00:56:54,960 --> 00:56:57,279
Speaker 6: for the final margin, so Team Annex lead is now

1234
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:59,799
Speaker 6: thirty eight to thirty five. As we begin with our

1235
00:56:59,800 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 6: pick for UFC Fight Night, Smith versus to share of

1236
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 6: the show Wednesday Live on ESPN Plus, and we begin

1237
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,319
Speaker 6: a lightweight division. Drew Doverers won a couple in a

1238
00:57:07,400 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 6: row by first round knockout as such slightly favored here

1239
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,520
Speaker 6: minus won twenty five as he takes on the ranked

1240
00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:16,600
Speaker 6: Alexander Hernandez, who comes back at minus one oh five

1241
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:20,080
Speaker 6: the underdog Ian Parker. Get a started off, right, kid,

1242
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 6: You going dober or Hernandez.

1243
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 4: I'm going dover here.

1244
00:57:25,560 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 12: I like his takedown defense, I like his stand up lately,

1245
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:30,480
Speaker 12: and I think his power is what's gonna really bring

1246
00:57:30,520 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 12: this through. I think Hernandez kind of has been humbled lately,

1247
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:35,400
Speaker 12: you know, and this is a very tough matchup to

1248
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 12: come back to.

1249
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna roll with Drew dober here.

1250
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:42,200
Speaker 6: I like him Ken flow. Alexander Hernandez was to face

1251
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:45,160
Speaker 6: Isla Mahashev April eighteenth, but of course that fight did

1252
00:57:45,200 --> 00:57:47,520
Speaker 6: not happen. Your thoughts on how Hernandez matches up with

1253
00:57:47,560 --> 00:57:49,160
Speaker 6: the streaking Drew Dover here.

1254
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 9: You know, I think Drew Dober does have a little momentum.

1255
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,920
Speaker 9: I think he's a similar fighter to Alexander Hernandez. But

1256
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:59,560
Speaker 9: I think Hernandez, if he, you know, can bring all

1257
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 9: of his skin, you know, fourth in this fight, I

1258
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 9: think he wins this fight. I think Hernandez is you know,

1259
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 9: I don't think he's gonna be taken down. I think

1260
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 9: this will most likely be a stand up battle for

1261
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 9: the most part. I think Hernanda is gonna be a

1262
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,040
Speaker 9: little bit sharper. I think he hits a little bit harder,

1263
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,000
Speaker 9: and I wouldn't be surprised if Hernandez tries to take

1264
00:58:20,040 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 9: Dover down. But I like Hernandez in this one, all right.

1265
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 4: Moving on now to the heavyweight division. This is the

1266
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 4: co main event.

1267
00:58:27,040 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 6: Former light heavyweight title challenger Ovin Saint Prue, after twenty

1268
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 6: fights at light heavyweight in the UFC, is moving on up.

1269
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 6: He is favored here minus one fifty against the King

1270
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 6: of Kenosha Ben Rothwell, who comes back at plus one twenty.

1271
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 6: We will have ken Flow lead it off here. What

1272
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,840
Speaker 6: do you think about Saint Prue moving on up. I

1273
00:58:42,840 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 6: mean he's huge, Kenny eighty inch reach doesn't have to

1274
00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 6: cut the weight. How do you think he matches up

1275
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:48,040
Speaker 6: with Big Ben.

1276
00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:52,640
Speaker 9: He's a big dude, certainly not as big as Ben Rothwell.

1277
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:55,800
Speaker 9: Though you know ovin Sant Prue he's got some power.

1278
00:58:55,880 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 9: I don't think he's the kind of guy, though, to

1279
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,280
Speaker 9: carry that power up to him heavyweight and be really

1280
00:59:01,320 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 9: that effective. I also don't see his submissions being as

1281
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,919
Speaker 9: much of a factor here against Rothwell because I don't

1282
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:10,480
Speaker 9: see him getting Rothwell down to the mat. I think

1283
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 9: he's going to be surprised when he sees a proper

1284
00:59:14,320 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 9: heavyweight out there who can hit.

1285
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 4: And who can stop the takedown.

1286
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:23,440
Speaker 9: I think where Rothwell can have some success here is

1287
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 9: by outpointing him and utilizing his.

1288
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 4: Speed advantage out there.

1289
00:59:26,920 --> 00:59:29,400
Speaker 9: If he's able to state discipline, get in and get out,

1290
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 9: I think osp can win this fight. However, I think

1291
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:36,080
Speaker 9: Rothwell's going to win this one. And what do you

1292
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 9: think Rothwell? Saint Prue kid?

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00:59:38,760 --> 00:59:39,360
Speaker 5: I kind of like.

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00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:40,200
Speaker 4: Rothwell here too.

1295
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 12: The only thing Rothwell can't do, though is fight the

1296
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 12: first two rounds the way he did again Stephen struve,

1297
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 12: which is way too hesitant waiting for the to come

1298
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:50,120
Speaker 12: to him because OSP doesn't push that pace like that,

1299
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 12: you know. And I do think OESP is going to

1300
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,080
Speaker 12: try and take Rothwell down, but I think Kenny broke

1301
00:59:54,080 --> 00:59:56,080
Speaker 12: it down perfectly. I think Big Ben is going to

1302
00:59:56,120 --> 00:59:59,400
Speaker 12: be too big, not to be a cliche there, too big,

1303
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:01,880
Speaker 12: and I think the you know, to Kenny's point, os

1304
01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 12: he's not sitting there knocking out guys at two o

1305
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 12: five either. And you know, this is a very weird

1306
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:08,480
Speaker 12: matchup for me in regards to where to go at

1307
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 12: two o five. This is a tough, tough task to

1308
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:12,760
Speaker 12: jump in that division. So I'm gonna go to the

1309
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:14,640
Speaker 12: underdog here. Also I like Rothwell.

1310
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 6: All right, your main event Wednesday night in the light

1311
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:19,880
Speaker 6: heavyweight division, Anthony Smith the minus one eighty five favorite

1312
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 6: here against Glover to Schera who comes back at plus

1313
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 6: one point fifty men will need the round and the

1314
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,439
Speaker 6: method of victory here. So you got Anthony Smith coming

1315
01:00:26,440 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 6: off the biggest win of his career against Alexander Gustafson,

1316
01:00:29,120 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 6: then lived a nightmare several weeks ago when he fought

1317
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 6: off the home intruder, who was a credentialed wrestler crazy

1318
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:39,920
Speaker 6: to hear Anthony talk to us about that whole experience.

1319
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:41,840
Speaker 6: Will try to sort of pass along that on the

1320
01:00:41,880 --> 01:00:44,480
Speaker 6: broadcast on Wednesday night. But Ken Flow Smith favorite here

1321
01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,080
Speaker 6: Over Glover to shera who's quietly won three in a row.

1322
01:00:47,120 --> 01:00:48,400
Speaker 4: He's a man, he's forty.

1323
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 6: What do you think about to shaa as the dog

1324
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:51,360
Speaker 6: against Anthony Smith?

1325
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 4: You know, I.

1326
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 9: Think Glover is a guy who obviously has been there

1327
01:00:56,000 --> 01:01:00,240
Speaker 9: and done that, has a ton of experience, does have

1328
01:01:00,360 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 9: some good power when he lands, obviously a Brazilian jitsu

1329
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 9: black belt. But I don't think, you know, at this

1330
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 9: point he matches up so great against Anthony Smith. I

1331
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 9: think Anthony Smith is going to be, you know, the

1332
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 9: taller man out there. He's gonna utilize those long range weapons.

1333
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,160
Speaker 9: I think the awkwardness of Anthony Smith is going to

1334
01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 9: throw off Glover to share. So I don't think t

1335
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 9: Shara is gonna be able to get his ground game

1336
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:29,480
Speaker 9: going in this one. I like Anthony Smith. I think

1337
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:33,120
Speaker 9: there's probably gonna be a TKO in and around round two, all.

1338
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 4: Right, Anthony Smith. That picks a click for Ken flow Ian.

1339
01:01:36,160 --> 01:01:40,360
Speaker 6: Anthony Smith just derives so much confidence from that win

1340
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 6: over Alexander Gusta said, he said to us last Friday,

1341
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,840
Speaker 6: He's like Gus, just doesn't lose to bad people. So

1342
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 6: huge source of confidence for Smith. How do you think

1343
01:01:47,600 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 6: he matches up with Glover?

1344
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, I like his reach here. I like

1345
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:55,280
Speaker 12: the length in this situation as well. I think he's

1346
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:56,640
Speaker 12: also a guy that knows how to use it.

1347
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 5: I think his.

1348
01:01:57,120 --> 01:01:59,560
Speaker 12: Experience against John Jones for five rounds will play a

1349
01:01:59,560 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 12: factory or as well. You know, for Glover at this

1350
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,480
Speaker 12: point in his career, his last few fights, we saw

1351
01:02:04,600 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 12: him in a lot of danger against both Roberson and

1352
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 12: also against Ion Kutzalaba, and I just don't know how

1353
01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:12,480
Speaker 12: much longer that chin could really last.

1354
01:02:12,520 --> 01:02:14,800
Speaker 4: You know, this is not a Anthony Smith's not a fighter.

1355
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:15,920
Speaker 12: That if you get rock jigging to be able to

1356
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 12: just take him down and utilize your jiu jitsu. You know,

1357
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,600
Speaker 12: Ion Kutalaba, he's not known for a guy to be

1358
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 12: off his back. Same thing with Roberson here. So I

1359
01:02:23,080 --> 01:02:26,520
Speaker 12: do like Anthony Smith as well. You would think TK

1360
01:02:26,640 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 12: in the situation. I have a weird feeling that he's

1361
01:02:28,560 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 12: gonna rock a Glover, But I think he's gonna finish

1362
01:02:31,120 --> 01:02:32,959
Speaker 12: this by a rare naked joke, and I'll stay round

1363
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 12: two as well. I do think Glover's cardio is gonna

1364
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,240
Speaker 12: be a little bit of an issue for him. Here

1365
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,919
Speaker 12: Anthony does a nice pace for someone at two o five.

1366
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:41,240
Speaker 4: So uh, I like.

1367
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Speaker 12: Lionheard here, and uh, you know, I'm glad him and

1368
01:02:43,240 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 12: his family are safe obviously after that disaster of the

1369
01:02:45,720 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 12: situation so.

1370
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Speaker 6: Crazy, he'll he'll be the first to tell you Ian

1371
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 6: that he's a jiu jitsu guy and he's not a striker,

1372
01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 6: all right. Saturday, Make sixteenth UFC Fight Night Overing versus Harris,

1373
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 6: we got a feature about here the featherweight division where

1374
01:02:57,920 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 6: Edson Barbosa.

1375
01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:00,600
Speaker 4: Is now competing.

1376
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 6: He's a minus one thirty five favorite here against Dan Egay,

1377
01:03:03,120 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 6: who comes back at plus one oh five So Ian

1378
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 6: twenty third UFC star for Barbosa. On the other side,

1379
01:03:08,600 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 6: Egay just out a tear five straight wins, the last

1380
01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:15,280
Speaker 6: one of a high quality against Mersad Beck Ditch. What

1381
01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 6: do you think about Barbosa and Egay here at one

1382
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 6: hundred and forty five pounds.

1383
01:03:19,440 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 12: I thought Gay was very impressive and he was very

1384
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 12: smart against becktitching the way he fought, and his cardial

1385
01:03:24,760 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 12: obviously is his strong point. I just think he's taking

1386
01:03:28,080 --> 01:03:30,320
Speaker 12: on a very, very tall task here. I mean, I

1387
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:32,320
Speaker 12: know he wants to step up in competition, but we're

1388
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:33,760
Speaker 12: talking about a guy who was one of the best

1389
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:36,720
Speaker 12: at you know, fifty five for a long time with

1390
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:40,560
Speaker 12: those devastating leg kicks. I think Barbosa has fought better wrestlers,

1391
01:03:40,760 --> 01:03:42,640
Speaker 12: you know. I think he's fought guys with just as

1392
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 12: good cardio, and he's fought way better competition. That's not

1393
01:03:45,280 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 12: a knocking Egay, it's just where they are in their

1394
01:03:47,240 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 12: careers at this point. So I think Barboza's leg kicks

1395
01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 12: are gonna slow Egay down, and I'm gonna go with

1396
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:52,919
Speaker 12: Barboza here in his debut.

1397
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 4: And flow Barbosa, e Gay your thoughts. You know, this

1398
01:03:57,240 --> 01:03:58,120
Speaker 4: is a tough one for me.

1399
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,680
Speaker 9: I think that if this fight was at one hundred

1400
01:04:00,720 --> 01:04:03,520
Speaker 9: and fifty five pounds and I knew that Barbosa could

1401
01:04:03,600 --> 01:04:05,840
Speaker 9: have all of his energy, I would say, hey, Barbosa

1402
01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:08,920
Speaker 9: all day. I think he's the more technical striker in

1403
01:04:08,960 --> 01:04:12,479
Speaker 9: some ways. I think he's gonna carry his speed down

1404
01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 9: to one forty five for the most part. Is he

1405
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,560
Speaker 9: gonna carry his power? Is he gonna have the same

1406
01:04:17,640 --> 01:04:19,800
Speaker 9: kind of chin and not necessarily known for his chin?

1407
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 9: At one hundred and fifty five pounds, I'm not so sure.

1408
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 9: I mean, can you guys point out the fat on

1409
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:25,720
Speaker 9: his body at one.

1410
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:26,920
Speaker 4: Hundred and fifty five pounds?

1411
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 9: For me, I don't know, man, So I think, yeah,

1412
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 9: exactly right around the elbow. I think he had some fat,

1413
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:35,000
Speaker 9: But yeah, I don't think there's gonna be much there.

1414
01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:37,200
Speaker 4: I think it's gonna take its toll on him.

1415
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:39,880
Speaker 9: And I think if this fight goes past, you know,

1416
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 9: the first round, that Egay is only going to get,

1417
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,040
Speaker 9: you know, be more of a nightmare for him. Egay

1418
01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 9: shows no fear as far as not going forwards, and

1419
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:52,560
Speaker 9: he's not afraid to get on the inside and trade.

1420
01:04:53,560 --> 01:04:56,320
Speaker 9: I think ega is gonna press him from the opening bell,

1421
01:04:56,680 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 9: and I think Egay wins this one.

1422
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:00,000
Speaker 4: He's an animal, all right.

1423
01:05:00,120 --> 01:05:03,200
Speaker 6: Comin event is Strawwait clouds Gygadelia minus one ninety Angela

1424
01:05:03,280 --> 01:05:06,240
Speaker 6: Hill plus one fifty five. So how about Angela Hill?

1425
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:09,480
Speaker 6: The workhorse matchmakers go to fighter. So this will be

1426
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 6: her seventh fight flow in the last fifteen months.

1427
01:05:13,080 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 4: Four fights in twenty nineteen. She already has two more

1428
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,040
Speaker 4: in in twenty twenty before COVID nineteen intervened. She is,

1429
01:05:20,080 --> 01:05:22,439
Speaker 4: though the plus one fifty five underdog here flow going

1430
01:05:22,480 --> 01:05:24,120
Speaker 4: for a fourth straight win. What do you think about

1431
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 4: Angie Overkill versus Cloud Chagadelia.

1432
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,600
Speaker 9: It's been really cool to see kind of Angela embrace

1433
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 9: this kind of level of activity, and you know, I

1434
01:05:33,560 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 9: have this competitive spirit. I do think, however, that she's

1435
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:39,640
Speaker 9: in a tough fight here against Claudia Gadelia.

1436
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 4: Gadelia, you know.

1437
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 9: So long as she has that fighting spirit with her,

1438
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 9: I think she should win this fight. I think she's

1439
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 9: better everywhere. I think she's the better striker, she's more technical.

1440
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,240
Speaker 9: I think she definitely has the better ground game, and

1441
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:56,040
Speaker 9: that's where she needs to take this fight. She needs

1442
01:05:56,040 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 9: to look for some singles and doubles put Angela on

1443
01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:00,560
Speaker 9: her back where she can win this fight.

1444
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 6: Ian Claudgy Gadelia has alternated wins and losses for a while,

1445
01:06:04,720 --> 01:06:07,480
Speaker 6: the last winning streak with twenty seventeen for her, she's

1446
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 6: trying to make it too straight here.

1447
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 4: What do you think about the comain?

1448
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 12: I think this is a good fight for her to

1449
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 12: bounce back. I give Angela all the credit in the

1450
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,120
Speaker 12: world for trying to be the cowboys serony of the

1451
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,360
Speaker 12: the women's division, stuff like that, and it shows and

1452
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,280
Speaker 12: her growth has been there. She's evolved, and I just

1453
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:23,680
Speaker 12: think the level of competition she's fought is not even

1454
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:26,440
Speaker 12: close to what Claudia has been fighting since the division

1455
01:06:26,480 --> 01:06:28,880
Speaker 12: even opened. I think Claudia, if she puts this fight,

1456
01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:31,120
Speaker 12: take this fight to the ground, it'll be a nightmare

1457
01:06:31,120 --> 01:06:33,200
Speaker 12: for Angelo. And I think on the feet. To Kenny's point,

1458
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 12: I think she's faster. I think she throws better combos. Again,

1459
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 12: credit to Angela Hill, this is a huge step up.

1460
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 12: She wins amazing. I just don't see it happening. I'm

1461
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 12: I'm roll with Kenny here. I like Claudia as well.

1462
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:45,600
Speaker 4: All right, and Ian, we will lead with you.

1463
01:06:45,720 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 6: On the main event at heavyweight, Walt Harris minus one

1464
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,400
Speaker 6: seventy alistarovery and plus one forty will need the round

1465
01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,960
Speaker 6: and the method of victory. Walt Harris's story is well documented.

1466
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,560
Speaker 6: His stepdaughter and I have Blanchard brutally murdered last fall.

1467
01:06:58,800 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 6: I don't know where Walt harre emotionally, you know, I

1468
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:03,920
Speaker 6: consider him a friend and his wife, Angela. They're truly

1469
01:07:03,960 --> 01:07:06,640
Speaker 6: special people. I just think it's got to be so

1470
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 6: hard to get back to mixed martial arts training and competing.

1471
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 6: Ian all of that being said, Walt Harris is a

1472
01:07:12,720 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 6: fucking beast, and he's about a two to one favorite

1473
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 6: here against the Ream, who may not be in his

1474
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 6: fighting prime but is still a real problem.

1475
01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:20,320
Speaker 4: What do you think about the main event next Saturday

1476
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:22,440
Speaker 4: night based.

1477
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:23,400
Speaker 12: On the odds, I think I have to go with

1478
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:25,320
Speaker 12: the underdog here. You know, I try to put the

1479
01:07:25,360 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 12: emotions to the side. I try to put obviously what

1480
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:30,400
Speaker 12: happened to him to the side. Although to your point,

1481
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 12: how do you go back to doing this? You know,

1482
01:07:32,200 --> 01:07:34,240
Speaker 12: you want to use that as motivation. I understand you

1483
01:07:34,280 --> 01:07:37,680
Speaker 12: could try. You know, my heart goes out to them.

1484
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 12: It's a fucking nightmare, especially as a parent, you know.

1485
01:07:39,920 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 4: But let's look back at the last two fights.

1486
01:07:42,560 --> 01:07:45,040
Speaker 12: Who wanted Ulnik was his last fight then he won

1487
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 12: Walt Harris right and Oveream went five rounds with Jarzinho

1488
01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 12: and he was winning up until that last second knockout.

1489
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:53,080
Speaker 12: You know, I think this fight's standing. I think Overheim

1490
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:55,240
Speaker 12: is still the better striker. I think Walt Harris is

1491
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 12: the better athlete. Overin has shown th that IQ that

1492
01:07:57,840 --> 01:07:59,560
Speaker 12: he can't take the fight to the ground, and I

1493
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:00,600
Speaker 12: think that he could.

1494
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 4: Put Walt on his back and create.

1495
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 12: A little bit of an issue I didn't see over

1496
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 12: Ring's cardio is a problem that fight against Jorginil rosenstrike

1497
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,479
Speaker 12: at all. And I think this is a big step

1498
01:08:09,560 --> 01:08:12,480
Speaker 12: up for Walt, especially with everything considered. And if you

1499
01:08:12,520 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 12: want to talk about betting, this is kind of hard

1500
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:17,160
Speaker 12: to think that Walhouse is getting that much respect out

1501
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 12: in Vegas, you know, kind of for what spevak onik.

1502
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:23,720
Speaker 12: I mean, I know Alexi Old that just uh beat

1503
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:26,240
Speaker 12: for retailware to do. And I'm eating that one real

1504
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:28,719
Speaker 12: hard right there. But that was a real shit sandwich,

1505
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:31,600
Speaker 12: let me tell you. But I gotta go with the

1506
01:08:31,640 --> 01:08:33,680
Speaker 12: odds here. I like over him as the underdog. Oh

1507
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 12: and by what round, I don't know. If he finishes him,

1508
01:08:38,680 --> 01:08:40,960
Speaker 12: I'll say decision at the moment that will probably change.

1509
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:42,839
Speaker 4: But just to get you an answer, I like Gover.

1510
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,600
Speaker 6: Not trying to put you on the spot with the

1511
01:08:44,720 --> 01:08:46,320
Speaker 6: with the round of method of victory. I mean, we

1512
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,680
Speaker 6: do we do do this every week. I love you, No no, no, no,

1513
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:50,720
Speaker 6: I know, this one's just very hard to around the

1514
01:08:50,840 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 6: you know, sorry, I got so ken flow. This fight

1515
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 6: was to be the main event December seventh in Washington,

1516
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:57,559
Speaker 6: d C. So, needless to say, these guys have been

1517
01:08:57,560 --> 01:08:59,800
Speaker 6: on each other's respective radar for some time. How do

1518
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 6: you see the heavyweight main event going down on the sixteenth?

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01:09:02,920 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 9: Oh man, this is very difficult for a bunch of

1520
01:09:05,960 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 9: different reasons. Yeah, listen, over him has been fighting a

1521
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:13,840
Speaker 9: very long time, you know, and with that obviously comes

1522
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 9: a lot of damage over the course of a professional

1523
01:09:16,400 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 9: kickboxing and mixed martial arts career. You know, that last

1524
01:09:20,880 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 9: shot that he took against Roses strike was absolutely brutal.

1525
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:28,320
Speaker 4: You know. I think he was performing very well up

1526
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:29,080
Speaker 4: into that point.

1527
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 9: Though, like e Haan said, I think for Walt Harris,

1528
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 9: this is a big step in competition for him. I

1529
01:09:35,960 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 9: think that he might be the faster guy out there.

1530
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:42,120
Speaker 9: I think he might have some physical advantages out there.

1531
01:09:42,160 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 9: But you know, I think if Overham takes it to

1532
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,920
Speaker 9: the mat, I think he might be in trouble.

1533
01:09:47,960 --> 01:09:49,479
Speaker 4: I think that Overim Mosso has.

1534
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:52,519
Speaker 9: An ability to kind of defensively with his footwork, kind

1535
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:56,080
Speaker 9: of diffuse the energy of Walt Harris and kind of

1536
01:09:56,080 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 9: not allow him to land a lot of strikes out there.

1537
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 4: I I really hope that Wald Harris goes out there

1538
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 4: and wins this fight. Man, it would be great if

1539
01:10:04,240 --> 01:10:05,080
Speaker 4: you can pull it off.

1540
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,559
Speaker 9: I think, you know, the longer this fight goes, the

1541
01:10:07,600 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 9: more difficult it's going to be for him in a

1542
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,439
Speaker 9: lot of ways. I can't even imagine the kind of

1543
01:10:12,439 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 9: emotional trauma that he's bringing into that that octagon and

1544
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 9: that baggage.

1545
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 4: It's just heartbreaking to think about. I hope he wins.

1546
01:10:22,479 --> 01:10:25,000
Speaker 4: All right, looks like we just lost Ken Flow. We

1547
01:10:25,080 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 4: will get his alistair overing official prediction in terms of

1548
01:10:29,040 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 4: the round or the finish, but Ian Parker mma on

1549
01:10:32,800 --> 01:10:34,920
Speaker 4: social media, Buddy, you're the lifeblood of the show. You know.

1550
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:35,400
Speaker 4: I love you.

1551
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:37,720
Speaker 6: We'll definitely have you on for longer next week when

1552
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:39,800
Speaker 6: I'm back home, and we'll get your thoughts on UFC

1553
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:42,479
Speaker 6: two forty nine and in particular how Kabib and and

1554
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 6: Gatesy matchup. But appreciate your handicapping and your inside As always, buddy,

1555
01:10:46,520 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 6: we'll talk to you soon.

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01:10:48,040 --> 01:10:50,000
Speaker 12: You got to bro, stay safe, have fun out there.

1557
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:50,200
Speaker 4: All right.

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01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 6: Sorry for the technical difficulties. Today, we'll see if we

1559
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 6: can get ken flow back. But last week on the show,

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01:10:54,479 --> 01:10:56,479
Speaker 6: I mentioned of all the kids out there that have

1561
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:59,479
Speaker 6: been impacted by the circumstances, and there is ken flow

1562
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 6: surrounding COVID nineteen and isolation and quarantine. I was feeling

1563
01:11:04,360 --> 01:11:07,599
Speaker 6: most for these high school seniors who maybe lost their

1564
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,680
Speaker 6: senior spring or their prom don't get to walk at graduations.

1565
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:12,160
Speaker 4: So joining us right now.

1566
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 6: He's an avid Antic Conflorian podcast listener and a UFC fan.

1567
01:11:15,280 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 6: He's representing West Morris Central High School in Long Valley,

1568
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 6: New Jersey.

1569
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:25,080
Speaker 4: He is Mike Battalino. Did I pronounce that right, Mike? Yeah,

1570
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,839
Speaker 4: it's bad Aglena bad Agleina.

1571
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 6: All right, Well, we appreciate your reaching out, man, and uh,

1572
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,439
Speaker 6: it's cool to have you on the show for me

1573
01:11:32,479 --> 01:11:34,439
Speaker 6: and Kenny. I mean, so, what have the last few

1574
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:38,040
Speaker 6: weeks been like as you've sort of lost your senior spring.

1575
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,000
Speaker 10: Yeah, thanks for having me on. But uh, you know,

1576
01:11:42,040 --> 01:11:44,960
Speaker 10: I was keeping positive, hoping, you know, we would go

1577
01:11:45,080 --> 01:11:47,719
Speaker 10: back when we first you know, got out of school

1578
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 10: and doing it online and stuff, and trying to keep hope,

1579
01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 10: you know, keep positive that we would go back and

1580
01:11:54,520 --> 01:11:56,559
Speaker 10: when we heard the news that we weren't going back,

1581
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,320
Speaker 10: and you know, we've been finished the school year online

1582
01:11:59,840 --> 01:12:04,280
Speaker 10: and uh and now recently hearing that, you know, graduation

1583
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:07,280
Speaker 10: is going to be online virtually. It was kind of upsetting,

1584
01:12:08,080 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 10: especially that it's my senior year and you know, you'd

1585
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:14,639
Speaker 10: like to finish it off, and with the spring coming

1586
01:12:14,720 --> 01:12:16,240
Speaker 10: up in the summer and you know, you want to

1587
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 10: be out, you want to see people. So it's a

1588
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:20,799
Speaker 10: little a little frustrating, but trying to keep positive.

1589
01:12:21,479 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 6: So are you going to college in the fall, if

1590
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:25,040
Speaker 6: you don't mind my asking.

1591
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:30,080
Speaker 10: Yeah, yeah, I'm attending scrant and the University. But uh, so,

1592
01:12:30,200 --> 01:12:32,040
Speaker 10: I don't know what, you know will happen with that.

1593
01:12:32,160 --> 01:12:35,519
Speaker 10: I mean, whether I'll be online or if I'll be

1594
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:37,400
Speaker 10: able to go in fall.

1595
01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:38,840
Speaker 4: Just crazy man.

1596
01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:41,120
Speaker 6: So U So, were you able to sit down and

1597
01:12:41,160 --> 01:12:42,679
Speaker 6: watch the pay per view this weekend?

1598
01:12:43,640 --> 01:12:44,040
Speaker 5: I was?

1599
01:12:44,200 --> 01:12:46,360
Speaker 10: I was, and it was awesome. It was such a

1600
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,920
Speaker 10: great card, such such great fights, and it was nice

1601
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 10: to have some live entertainment, you know. It brought some

1602
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:56,320
Speaker 10: positivity into everything and super entertaining.

1603
01:12:56,640 --> 01:12:59,240
Speaker 6: So going into that gay chie ferguson fight, Mike, did

1604
01:12:59,280 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 6: you feel like Tony was gonna win or were you

1605
01:13:01,560 --> 01:13:02,599
Speaker 6: on the gatesy side?

1606
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:07,920
Speaker 10: To be honest with you, I was with Ferguson. Yeah,

1607
01:13:07,439 --> 01:13:12,240
Speaker 10: I I was super entertained by the fight. It was

1608
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,160
Speaker 10: a war, It was awesome. I just didn't think that

1609
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:19,120
Speaker 10: would happen to Tony Ferguson. You know, he got hit

1610
01:13:19,160 --> 01:13:22,559
Speaker 10: with a bunch of big shots and so tough shows

1611
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:25,920
Speaker 10: how tough he really was and everything. But crazy fight.

1612
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:29,559
Speaker 10: I mean justin Gage really really showed his adjustments on

1613
01:13:30,040 --> 01:13:33,599
Speaker 10: you know, not gassing out, and we all know Tony

1614
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:36,240
Speaker 10: Ferguson has a gas tank, so it was very cool

1615
01:13:36,280 --> 01:13:36,719
Speaker 10: to see.

1616
01:13:37,160 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 6: So before I let you go, I just got to

1617
01:13:38,840 --> 01:13:41,840
Speaker 6: know you're a young man. I mean, are you too

1618
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:46,000
Speaker 6: young to remember like Ken Flow's fighting prime. I mean

1619
01:13:46,000 --> 01:13:48,400
Speaker 6: like when people say Kenny Florian, I mean, does that

1620
01:13:48,439 --> 01:13:50,640
Speaker 6: sound like a fossil or a fighter that you've heard of?

1621
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:56,240
Speaker 10: Definitely a fighter that I've heard of, but a little

1622
01:13:56,400 --> 01:14:03,200
Speaker 10: little too young to like, uh uh when he was fighting.

1623
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 10: A little too young to uh be you know, watching that.

1624
01:14:07,240 --> 01:14:07,960
Speaker 5: But I I, I.

1625
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,280
Speaker 10: Obviously am very aware of who he is, and I've

1626
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,559
Speaker 10: gone back and watched his his fights and whatnot.

1627
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,719
Speaker 4: So hey, Mike, Mike, who's your who's your favorite fighter

1628
01:14:17,800 --> 01:14:18,360
Speaker 4: right now? Man?

1629
01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:22,160
Speaker 10: That's so hard to pick. It's so hard to pick.

1630
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 10: I mean, I like so many different fighters and so

1631
01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:26,360
Speaker 10: many different Top.

1632
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:28,240
Speaker 4: Three how about top three? Who are your top three

1633
01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:29,200
Speaker 4: favorite fighters right now?

1634
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 2: Dude?

1635
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:31,120
Speaker 4: Right now?

1636
01:14:31,360 --> 01:14:40,080
Speaker 10: Uh, I gotta say dcs in there, Daniel Cormier, Conor

1637
01:14:40,120 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 10: McGregor's got to be in there. He's he's one of

1638
01:14:42,160 --> 01:14:45,920
Speaker 10: the guys who who really turned me on to the

1639
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:49,479
Speaker 10: featherweight division. And then when when he uh, when he

1640
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 10: went up to lightweight and everything, and uh, that really

1641
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:57,320
Speaker 10: brought me into those divisions. And then the third one,

1642
01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 10: I'm not really sure. Those are probably my top two definitely. Well,

1643
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:05,479
Speaker 10: there's so many though, you know.

1644
01:15:05,880 --> 01:15:09,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, we really appreciate you and just know that

1645
01:15:09,080 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 6: our heart kind of goes out to you maybe losing

1646
01:15:11,320 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 6: some of these big things that you've been looking forward

1647
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 6: to the whole time. But we wish all the best

1648
01:15:15,600 --> 01:15:18,400
Speaker 6: at Scranton in the fall, if you're indeed able to matriculate.

1649
01:15:18,840 --> 01:15:21,759
Speaker 6: Reppin Wes Morris Central High School, Long Valley, New Jersey,

1650
01:15:21,760 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 6: the great Mike Bataglino, thanks for coming on, my man,

1651
01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:27,040
Speaker 6: Thanks for listening, and maybe we'll have you back on

1652
01:15:27,479 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 6: later in the year to make some picks when we

1653
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 6: got more time.

1654
01:15:29,479 --> 01:15:31,280
Speaker 5: Buddy, sounds good.

1655
01:15:31,320 --> 01:15:32,920
Speaker 10: Thank you so much for having me on. You guys

1656
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:33,200
Speaker 10: are the.

1657
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:34,680
Speaker 4: Best our pleasure, all right.

1658
01:15:34,680 --> 01:15:37,120
Speaker 6: If you want more Anti florianpodcast dot com, you can

1659
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 6: watch the show there.

1660
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 4: You can listen to the show there.

1661
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,200
Speaker 6: Merchandise is also up there as well, and we will

1662
01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:44,640
Speaker 6: be back with you maybe on Thursday. We'll have some

1663
01:15:44,680 --> 01:15:46,840
Speaker 6: content with Paul Felder, but at the very least we'll

1664
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 6: be back with you on Monday. We'll get into UFC

1665
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 6: two forty nine in a more in depth way and

1666
01:15:51,479 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 6: also recap the two shows coming up here in Jacksonville

1667
01:15:54,160 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 6: Wednesday and Saturday. Flow text me back Wednesday night. No,

1668
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:00,080
Speaker 6: he always texts me back. I just see it, know.

1669
01:16:00,520 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 6: I love when all of a sudden I look down

1670
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,960
Speaker 6: on my phone it says Kenny Florian, not Ray Logo.

1671
01:16:04,120 --> 01:16:04,320
Speaker 5: I know.

1672
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:05,800
Speaker 4: I always feel like I'm bothering you.

1673
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:08,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, you've got stuff going on, all right, you're the

1674
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 6: fucking analyst goat all right for Catflow, I'm John.

1675
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:11,639
Speaker 4: Thanks to TJ.

1676
01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:15,519
Speaker 6: DeSantis, Cody Marrow, Ian Parker, Ray Longo, Mike Badoglino will

1677
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:18,040
Speaker 6: talk to you to all of you next Monday. Thanks

1678
01:16:18,040 --> 01:16:19,880
Speaker 6: for all the support on the broadcast over the weekend

1679
01:16:19,960 --> 01:16:21,639
Speaker 6: until then, YO fucking later.

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01:16:21,840 --> 01:16:24,679
Speaker 3: The John Annak and Kenny Florian podcast is a TJ.

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01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:28,759
Speaker 3: DeSantis production. Its content is intended for private use only.