1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Welcome 2 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: back to the show Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as always 3 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. That's our super producer, the 4 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,880 Speaker 1: Man the myth Legend, Mr Max Williams. I'm ben noel. Uh. 5 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:42,600 Speaker 1: I think it's fair to say, and we've joked about 6 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,080 Speaker 1: it before in meetings and stuff that we are. We 7 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 1: you and me are two guys who are kind of 8 00:00:47,800 --> 00:00:50,919 Speaker 1: like paid to make noise. Yeah, you can call we do. 9 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: It's like organized noise. We just sort of expel sounds 10 00:00:56,440 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: from our mouths in a certain order as to communicate 11 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: ideas a k a. Talking yes, right, then it is 12 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: noise too, or one person's noise is another person's information 13 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: or music perhaps, you know, I don't know if you're 14 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 1: familiar with the genre of harsh noise is a genre involving, uh, 15 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: you know, using mixers and weird noisemakers to just generate 16 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:23,360 Speaker 1: you know, absolute chaos. And some people really like it, 17 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 1: you know, like eight people that you know listen to 18 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: the tapes of this Italian label puts out. I'm kidding 19 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 1: them over generalizing harsh noise enthusiast seth there don't pillary me. 20 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: There's some powerful it's just not for me. Yeah, this 21 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: is They really are the Harsh Noise Lobby. It's taking 22 00:01:40,120 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: Washington by storm. It's like the n r A and 23 00:01:42,480 --> 00:01:46,279 Speaker 1: the Harsh Noise Lobby run in Washington. Well, one thing's funny. 24 00:01:46,520 --> 00:01:49,440 Speaker 1: As we were preparing for this episode, this stood out 25 00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: to me. The three of us do you could say, 26 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: make noise for a living, make mostly word noise for 27 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:59,919 Speaker 1: a living, But we're also very particular about the noise 28 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,559 Speaker 1: is that we like on the show. Uh, my great 29 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 1: nemesis as a leafblower, didn't see that froming. And I 30 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:10,440 Speaker 1: don't know if this ever happened to you, But have 31 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 1: you ever moved into a place that like it's a 32 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: new neighborhood and all of a sudden you hop on 33 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,720 Speaker 1: one of those just vicious neighborhood chat forums and there's 34 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: someone complaining about noise. Has ever happened to you? Yeah? 35 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: I don't. I stay trying to stay away from those 36 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: because they're usually a bummer. But I will say, um, 37 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 1: my neighbor takes an ungodly amount of time to mow 38 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: his lawn. I just don't understand. It feels like it 39 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,920 Speaker 1: takes like half of the day and it's just you know, 40 00:02:39,960 --> 00:02:42,400 Speaker 1: and he's right there and it's quite a loud lawn mower, 41 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:44,480 Speaker 1: and yeah, it does bug me. I think, you know, 42 00:02:44,600 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: specifically droning, repetitive noises or something that can genuinely cause 43 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,480 Speaker 1: like mental duress. Um. You live a little closer to 44 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: like an urban center than me, you're often having to 45 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: pause for ambulances and sirens and things like that. Are 46 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: are super producer Paul mission Control Deck here for stuff 47 00:03:03,880 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: that I want you to know, lives in New York 48 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:08,119 Speaker 1: City and oft times before we even get started, we're 49 00:03:08,120 --> 00:03:10,960 Speaker 1: hearing like crazy, crazy sounds coming from his end of 50 00:03:11,000 --> 00:03:13,520 Speaker 1: the of the of the zoom. I'm a little bit 51 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 1: more protective, but this neighbor with his lawnmower, it's crazy. 52 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: These are all things that the subject to Day's podcast, 53 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: Julia Barnett Rice, would have had a real problem with. 54 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: But she lived before the advent of things like gas 55 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: powered lawnmowers and leaf blowers. She was really more concerned with, like, 56 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:34,679 Speaker 1: what was it been tug tug boats a little too 57 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:38,880 Speaker 1: toots that tug boats make, and you know, street buskers 58 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 1: and all kinds of the riff raff you know in 59 00:03:41,720 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: in New York City. Um that disturbed her solitude was 60 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 1: she felt that she so greatly deserved. The subject of 61 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 1: today's episode is the idea of Julia Barnett Rice launching 62 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: an elitist war on noise? What does that entail? Ben, 63 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 1: How does one launch a war on noise like door 64 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: on drugs? You can't win? Well, it depends, It depends 65 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: on how you want to wage this war. And her campaign, 66 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 1: her campaign took a little bit of an elitist approach. 67 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: It's true, Mrs Rice, or doctor Rice, I should say, 68 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 1: because she was a physician when she founded something called 69 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 1: the Society for Suppression of Unnecessary Noise in nineteen o six. 70 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 1: She called noise the quote chief torment of illness, And 71 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: as we'll see in today's episode, she gathered a cavalcade 72 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: of very well known influential figures, including like Mark Twain 73 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:40,480 Speaker 1: and Thomas Edison, along with hundreds of others, to wage 74 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: what they wanted to become an international campaign for quote 75 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:50,359 Speaker 1: dinless cities. So uh, I love the word din so 76 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,839 Speaker 1: cities that, somehow, despite the precedent set by all other 77 00:04:54,920 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 1: human cities throughout all moments of civilization, these cities would 78 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 1: somehow be quiet. And if you look at it, it's 79 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 1: part of an old, old belief, like people are not 80 00:05:05,720 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 1: the most tolerant organisms, right, We stink at group work. 81 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: We have our own priorities that we often put over 82 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:16,359 Speaker 1: the greater good. And as long as you've seen people 83 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: living in close quarters, you've also seeing people who are 84 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: tremendously upset about the noise that their neighbors make. So 85 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: the problems you and I and and probably Max too 86 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: have had just in the course of the show over 87 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 1: the Pandemic are actually age age old problems. And it's 88 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 1: amazing how much writing there is about this, like throughout 89 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: the historical record. Yeah, and the sixteen sixties. Uh. A 90 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: French philosopher named Ablaze pascal Um had this to say. Ah. 91 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,280 Speaker 1: He said, quote, the sole cause of man's unhappiness is 92 00:05:55,320 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 1: that he does not know how to stay quietly in 93 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 1: his rooms. So that's interesting. I would argue that is 94 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: not a comment on noise per se, and more just 95 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:10,039 Speaker 1: about occupying one's own time, uh properly and in being 96 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,719 Speaker 1: able to enjoy one's own company. I don't really think 97 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:16,479 Speaker 1: he was necessarily nagging noise exactly in that statement. But 98 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:19,560 Speaker 1: it is an interesting one. There's more, of course though, right. 99 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so Pascal great thinker, was he seriously 100 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: proposing that everybody go in time out to solve the 101 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:32,279 Speaker 1: world's problems. Go to your room, everyone, But yeah, you're right, 102 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: because so back in the days, you know, when the 103 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: majority of people did not live in cities and much 104 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: of the world was built on agrarian communities. We know 105 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: that noise was often a problem that was just attributed 106 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:53,160 Speaker 1: to people living in big metropolitan areas like London or Paris. 107 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: But then when the Industrial Revolution came, more and more 108 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: people moved to cities. They wanted to work in these 109 00:07:01,160 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 1: new exciting industries. Train whistles were filling the air. There 110 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 1: were factory furnaces roaring. You would go down the street 111 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,320 Speaker 1: and hear people yelling at each other in a panopoly 112 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 1: of languages, talking over each other. It was like the 113 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,400 Speaker 1: worst party ever, because it's a party you had to 114 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 1: live at. Uh. There's another German philosopher named Author Schopenhauer 115 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: who called this quote torture for intellectual people. And he said, look, 116 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: if you're a thoughtful person, you need a quiet space 117 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 1: so that you can do quality work. Schopenhauer was a 118 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: lot of things, including an intellectual elitist of the highest order. 119 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: From his point of view, only stupid people like noise, 120 00:07:44,320 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 1: not supernuanced. Yeah he was. I was not a not 121 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: a fan of harsh noise, um of the harsh noises genre. Yeah, 122 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: but you know, my whole thing is like, okay, but 123 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 1: like you're not entitled to live in a city, right, like, 124 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: go live in the in the countryside if it's such 125 00:08:00,560 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 1: a problem, especially if you're wealthy like Julia Barnett Rice. 126 00:08:04,040 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 1: But we'll get to that. I just feel like there's 127 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: a lot of entitlement going on here because the nature 128 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: of the city is people swarm there, there's hustle and bustle, 129 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 1: there's industrialization. It's like, what are you gonna, like just 130 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:18,560 Speaker 1: completely stem the flow of of progress just so you can, 131 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 1: like you know, write your journals or whatever, like your poetry. 132 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't seem quite right any who. So you're right, uh, 133 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: Chopenhauer was kind of a jerk, definitely elitist, intellectual elitist 134 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,960 Speaker 1: of the highest order. Like you said, um, we've got 135 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: some contemplations from say like Charles Dickens. For example, he 136 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 1: described feeling quote harassed, worried, wearied, driven nearly mad by 137 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,719 Speaker 1: street musicians in London and the Times of London on 138 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,720 Speaker 1: eight fifty six, and a similar critique of the of 139 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: the these uh, these buskers, saying that they created a noisy, dizzy, 140 00:08:59,480 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: scatter brained atmosphere. And this is a lot of all 141 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: of this stuff that we're pulling from early on. Here 142 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: is from a really great article in the Smithsonian call 143 00:09:07,720 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: why are we always searching for a quiet place? Perhaps 144 00:09:11,679 --> 00:09:14,559 Speaker 1: the real monster is not noise, they say, but instead 145 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: our own intolerance of unwanted sound um by Matthew Jordan's 146 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 1: of the conversation. Yeah, and we know this was at 147 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 1: the very least a transatlantic problem. By the time Dr 148 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:29,200 Speaker 1: Rice comes on the scene in nineteen o five, the 149 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,920 Speaker 1: New York Times was writing about this. There's a there's 150 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,000 Speaker 1: a wonderful little article you can see from this time 151 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: where they talk about the problem of noise in New York, 152 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: which they summarize as a quote bonfire of sound, and 153 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: they say the culprits are trolley cars, boiler making, elevated roads, 154 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: subway trains, hoby sirens and various steam whistles, riveting machines, 155 00:09:56,559 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: trucks laden with slabs of iron and rails of steel, 156 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 1: milk wagons banging over the pavements in the small morning hours, 157 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:07,080 Speaker 1: deep breath, hand organs, photographs with Bega photo attachment, fish horns, 158 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:10,520 Speaker 1: knife grinding serenades, yet in junkmen, hunsters, and pet lives 159 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 1: with cowbell distractions, cracked bells ringing day at night, in 160 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: churches and chapels. I had to do a Natalie and 161 00:10:17,080 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: brute lea pause to get a deep Oh dude, those 162 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:25,360 Speaker 1: those hand organs and photographs with megaphone attachment, those are 163 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:30,080 Speaker 1: really the bane of urban existence, you know. And it's 164 00:10:30,160 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: not to say that living in a city and like 165 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 1: communing and just like the drone of the subway in 166 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,360 Speaker 1: New York for examples, all of these sounds don't get 167 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,280 Speaker 1: to you. I choose not to live in a city 168 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:44,520 Speaker 1: like New York. I choose to live in a place 169 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: where I can kind of control my environment. I love 170 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: going to New York. I love traveling to places that 171 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,680 Speaker 1: are exciting and bustling like this. But after about a 172 00:10:52,720 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: week or so, it gets to me too, and I 173 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: need to high tail it back home to my you know, 174 00:10:58,160 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 1: little humble a quiet ode. But all of these sounds 175 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,319 Speaker 1: you know that people are regularly exposed to in these 176 00:11:04,400 --> 00:11:09,040 Speaker 1: large cities, they can actually cause hearing damage over time. 177 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:12,439 Speaker 1: There's no question about that. Any noise that's above eighty 178 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:15,719 Speaker 1: five decibels from things like that I just described all 179 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: of that stuff, industrial manufacturing, airports, traffic, subway hand organs, 180 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: photographs with megaphone attachments, sirens, yesic milk wagons, you know, 181 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,600 Speaker 1: all those milk wagons, cluck andy clacking across those cobblestone streets. Um, 182 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 1: these absolutely can cause hearing loss over time if you 183 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: don't take care of it. Uh. And you notice that 184 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:41,600 Speaker 1: walking around New York most people have their little noise 185 00:11:41,640 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 1: canceling earbuds, and for good reason, because that stuff is 186 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: really monotonous and can absolutely not only cause hearing loss, 187 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 1: because you know, you can kind of lose your marbles 188 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,480 Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Studies show that the average 189 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,680 Speaker 1: life of an urban resident will contain a background noise 190 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: level of about sixty deciples, which is just below what 191 00:12:06,040 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: what we described as being uh as leading to hearing loss. 192 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 1: But sixty deccibles on its own, according to the Atlantic, 193 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: is loud enough to raise your blood pressure, your heart rate. 194 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: It can cause stress. You'll have a hard time concentrating, 195 00:12:19,679 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: you can even lose sleep. Want to shout out Kate 196 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: Wagner's Atlantic article, great title, city noise might be making 197 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 1: you sick. It's a true story. And sirens especially. The 198 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:34,080 Speaker 1: reason I want to highlight those is because they can 199 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: hit a hundred and twenty decibels, and that is the 200 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:43,080 Speaker 1: human pain threshold according to the World Health Organization. So say, 201 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:46,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna introduce you to Rice right now and say 202 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: what you will about her. We've already made some of 203 00:12:48,320 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 1: our opinions known. It's important to realize that she is 204 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 1: not making this problem up. In fact, she is one 205 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 1: of the earliest urban anti noise campaigners. She grew up wealthy, 206 00:13:07,640 --> 00:13:11,680 Speaker 1: she was well educated. Her partner, her husband, was a 207 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: known businessman and publisher. I love saying known businessman. That 208 00:13:16,200 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 1: makes it so it's something terrible. He's a known businessman 209 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:26,040 Speaker 1: and philanderer and philanderer as well, although it's entirely so Rice. 210 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: Rice lived in Manhattan. She was in a mansion, great 211 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,760 Speaker 1: view of the Hudson River. And she got mad, Like 212 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: you said at the top nal, she became livid by 213 00:13:36,840 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: the regular passage of tug boats. They would blow their 214 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:44,720 Speaker 1: horns in her mind, incessantly up and down the Hudson. 215 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: She would hear a tug amit not two or three hundred, 216 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: but two or three thousand twot's and these were, in 217 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: her mind unnecessary. Now, if you're familiar with how uh 218 00:13:56,640 --> 00:14:00,480 Speaker 1: tug boats navigated at this time, due to weather conditions, 219 00:14:00,600 --> 00:14:03,839 Speaker 1: you would need to use the horn so that people 220 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: would be aware of your presence. Right, So it's a 221 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: safety thing. But she said, these guys are just saying 222 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: each other and just can't stay in Hello. Yeah. Again, 223 00:14:12,400 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: she's already starting off on like a foundation of kind 224 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: of elitist ignorance, blissful ignorance. I would argue, because, yeah, 225 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,720 Speaker 1: this is a system, you know, like it's it's a 226 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's probably specific to you know, 227 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: freight in in that kind of scenario when close quarters 228 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: like that. But we know that nautical systems of communication 229 00:14:32,680 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: have existed for hundreds of years, you know, in terms 230 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: of being able to communicate with other vessels uh near 231 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: or far um. So yeah, this is probably a way 232 00:14:42,400 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: to keep things from becoming dangerous in these closer quarters 233 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 1: when they're passing through the Hudson Um, which is not 234 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: a like super narrow body of water, but it's not 235 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 1: like the open sea, and there's a lot of tugboat 236 00:14:54,320 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: traffic in there, you know. Nowadays it would be more 237 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: like barges, you know, freight carrying, big old barges. And 238 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: it's true, it's noisy. I mean, I was just in 239 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: my hometown of Augusta visiting my mom and the there's 240 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: like a railroad crossing right in the middle of town, 241 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: right by a hospital um and I was walking from 242 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: my car and the thing's blasting through, just honking, laying 243 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:19,200 Speaker 1: on that horn, and I'm just like, maybe I'm not 244 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: in the best moon in the first play that I 245 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: say out loud to myself, really, really, you really need 246 00:15:24,840 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: to do that for this long And I get it. 247 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: They need to announce their presence so people don't accidentally 248 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: get pancake by the train if they're like park you know, 249 00:15:32,880 --> 00:15:35,000 Speaker 1: or they're not like paying attention to the railroad crossing. 250 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 1: But it does come a point where it's like, did 251 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: you need to lay onto it for five whole minutes. 252 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: I'll tell you another thing that makes it very disconcerting 253 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: at this time. So now the majority of people across 254 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: the planet live in densely populated urban areas, right, And 255 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: it's unusual maybe for us in two to realize that 256 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 1: was not always the norm. And I can speak from 257 00:15:58,240 --> 00:16:01,000 Speaker 1: personal experience. For a time, when I was living in 258 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: Central America, I was in the middle of nowhere, places 259 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 1: where I would go days without hearing a machine other 260 00:16:08,320 --> 00:16:11,440 Speaker 1: than maybe the distant hum of an airplane. And then 261 00:16:11,440 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: when I went back to civilization, I was like dumbfounded. 262 00:16:16,160 --> 00:16:18,600 Speaker 1: It's it's like, how if you don't eat salt for 263 00:16:18,640 --> 00:16:21,160 Speaker 1: a while and then you eat fast food, You're like, 264 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:24,680 Speaker 1: what where did all this salt come from? The noises 265 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: astonished me. So it's a real thing. But yes, is 266 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: she the best casting to have a complaint about this, 267 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, because she's never quarreled with other problems 268 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: of the human condition, like the need for shelter, clean water, 269 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: or food. So picture her. She's up in her Italian style, 270 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:46,080 Speaker 1: quite opulent mansion, and she says she's smart too, She's 271 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: quite intelligent. So she says, look, if I, as a 272 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: lady of means, complained to the great unwashed about the 273 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: problem I have with noise I may become a public enemy. 274 00:16:57,480 --> 00:17:00,360 Speaker 1: I need a cause to rally around. I don't know 275 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: why I made her sound so evil. That's probably unfair, 276 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: But she says, there are all these hospitals in the city, 277 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,000 Speaker 1: and many of the people in the hospitals are poor 278 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:16,120 Speaker 1: and sick, So why don't we stick up for them. 279 00:17:16,560 --> 00:17:19,800 Speaker 1: We won't tell people that I'm mainly mad about my mansion. 280 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:23,480 Speaker 1: Will tell people that I'm trying to help the poor. 281 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:27,600 Speaker 1: That's pronounced pe w e r Okay, then I mean 282 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:30,359 Speaker 1: I I think I get what you're putting down here, 283 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,160 Speaker 1: and I think I'm on the same way. You feel 284 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 1: like she was using this philanthropic angle as a bit 285 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: of a subterfuge when all she really wanted was to 286 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: quiet down the noise around her opulent palatial estate. Oh yeah, yes, sir, 287 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:49,160 Speaker 1: and her her husband, Remember publisher Mr Rice, partners with her, 288 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: and in nineteen o six he publishes a piece that 289 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,639 Speaker 1: she's written an effort to suppress noise, and she starts 290 00:17:56,680 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 1: by quote Schopenhauer, who we mentioned earlier, another fellow elitist, saying, 291 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:05,280 Speaker 1: there are people, it is true, nay, a great many 292 00:18:05,320 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: people who smile at such sounds because they are not 293 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:11,080 Speaker 1: sensitive to noise. But they're just the very people who 294 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: are also not sensitive to argument or thought, or poetry 295 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 1: or art anywhere in a word, to any kind of 296 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:25,679 Speaker 1: intellectual influence. Gross. What Wow, what a reductive way of 297 00:18:25,800 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: looking at things. That's absurd, that's ignorant. I'm sorry, that's 298 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 1: just radicious. Who are those people she's talking about? Poor people? 299 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: She's talking about poor people. I mean that that's just 300 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: who she's or or you know, people who are like 301 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: subhuman in some way. I mean, she's describing these poor, 302 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: borish oaths who can't enjoy you know, florid poetry and 303 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:53,919 Speaker 1: and uh and and beautiful chamber music. Instead they just 304 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: get their rocks off listening to the sounds of anvils 305 00:18:56,440 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: or something. You know, It's like, it's weird. And again 306 00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: when I say she is specifically describing blue collar workers, specifically, 307 00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:11,000 Speaker 1: again that tugboat workers, who are you know, the longshoreman 308 00:19:11,240 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: of of the era. Essentially right, And the piece goes 309 00:19:14,560 --> 00:19:20,199 Speaker 1: on to further elaborate her efforts to ban it's whistling, 310 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,200 Speaker 1: you know, these tug boat toots or whatever, and Rice 311 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 1: kind of casts herself as this like crusader of of 312 00:19:28,760 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: of quietude, this um you know, like, what do you 313 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: like some sort of like winged avenger of of order 314 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:42,160 Speaker 1: and uh and solitude and an enemy of chaos and cacophony. Yeah. Yeah, 315 00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:46,440 Speaker 1: And so she had an order of operations first, as 316 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 1: is a pattern for many well to do, very wealthy people, 317 00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:53,600 Speaker 1: she goes through the legal system. She says, Okay, I'm 318 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,600 Speaker 1: gonna go to the New York City Collector's Office Law Division, 319 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:05,320 Speaker 1: and I found a clause in their policies that say 320 00:20:05,359 --> 00:20:10,600 Speaker 1: they can punish any licensed tug boat officer, specifically that 321 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: they had judged to be uh conducting, negligence or unskillfulness, 322 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: or to be guilty of misconduct. So she said, let 323 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:23,120 Speaker 1: me tell you guys this, those tugboat horns, those countless 324 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:27,919 Speaker 1: professional misconduct. The US local Steamboat Inspectors weighed in and 325 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:33,520 Speaker 1: basically said nasan. So no dice with that one. So 326 00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:35,400 Speaker 1: she goes to the cops and she says, I want 327 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:38,800 Speaker 1: to start a petition. We'll get We'll get poor and 328 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: rich people alike to sign off on this and say 329 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: the noise is out of control, it's a problem. But 330 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: we're going to send v I P. S. Movers and 331 00:20:48,680 --> 00:20:54,440 Speaker 1: shakers early nineteen hundreds New York versions of Instagram influencers 332 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,520 Speaker 1: to get these to get these signatures, wealthy high, monkey, 333 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: Muck's hospital, etcetera. You name it, important people. But the 334 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:08,000 Speaker 1: inspectors are still saying Na son Nason. Indeed, she's like 335 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 1: a combination of like the original or the proto Karen. 336 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 1: And I know, sorry for all people who actually named Karen, 337 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:16,439 Speaker 1: who are lovely people. I know that term has been 338 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 1: kind of co opted and for that I am sorry, 339 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: but it is what it is. Um. And also like 340 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:24,360 Speaker 1: she's kind of like Clint Eastwood in Grand Torino. She's 341 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: very good off my lawn and no, it's weird. So 342 00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: what happens next? She starts to get a little traction, 343 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: doesn't she? At first she's kind of somewhat shrugged off 344 00:21:34,560 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 1: or her complaints fallen deaf ears um. But then she 345 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:41,680 Speaker 1: gets a bit of a win, right, well she does. 346 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: First she uh, she does, to her credit, interviews some 347 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: of the actual tugboat workers, the people she's vilified in 348 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: the press, and they come back to and they say, look, 349 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 1: we're not doing this for funzies. If we couldn't use 350 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 1: our if we couldn't use our sonic equipment. We have 351 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:03,960 Speaker 1: to have an extra employee just to act as a messenger, 352 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,240 Speaker 1: and then we still lose a lot of time, and 353 00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 1: then we wouldn't be able to communicate with the people 354 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,919 Speaker 1: on the barge. We have to whistle to wake up 355 00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: the crew. And you can't expect, like Dr Rice, you 356 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:18,600 Speaker 1: can't expect people to legitimately stay up all day and 357 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 1: all night just on the off chance someone waves at them. 358 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,880 Speaker 1: Our system works. And this is where she gets her win. 359 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 1: She says, fine whatever. She goes to academics in various 360 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:34,760 Speaker 1: maritime disciplines and also to even more higher ups, and 361 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: they endorse her and they start researching her claim that 362 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:43,240 Speaker 1: sound is bad. Finally, the National Board of Steam Navigation 363 00:22:43,680 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: passes this resolution. It's pretty simple. It just prohibits unnecessary 364 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,960 Speaker 1: whistle blowing. The tugboat workers follow these rules for maybe 365 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,000 Speaker 1: two days, and then they find it's impossible to do 366 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: their jobs. Also, this National Board of Steam Navigation has 367 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 1: no realistic way of enforcing this because you can't stop 368 00:23:03,640 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: all the horns so yeah, or identify which individual that 369 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 1: came from. Once you kind of become part of like 370 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:14,679 Speaker 1: this giant body of noise, it's very very difficult to 371 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:19,040 Speaker 1: uh isolate which which which which tug boat was tooting 372 00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: at what particular moment. I love that word, by the way, 373 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 1: just it just gives me a little giggle every time it. Yeah, 374 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,600 Speaker 1: I love it. Boy does it ever? But but but 375 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: here's the thing again, totally misinformed in the first place, 376 00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:36,680 Speaker 1: because Rice was like, this is unnecessary noise. Well, says you, 377 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 1: but what about the tugboat workers, you know, who don't 378 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 1: want to have a collision, you know, or need to 379 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: be able to communicate something to one of their you know, cohorts. 380 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: They would argue, this noise is absolutely necessary. Yeah, absolutely that. 381 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:55,680 Speaker 1: And they were arguing it was totally necessary. And so 382 00:23:56,080 --> 00:23:58,959 Speaker 1: Rice tries to step it back a little and she 383 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: puts out a law up. Oh wait, by the way, 384 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: here comes the leafblower. I don't know if you guys 385 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: can hear it, but Max, let's leave it in. This 386 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: is illustrative of the points. Yeah. So so she says, Okay, 387 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm gonna try to use a little bit of nuance. 388 00:24:13,920 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: She wants a law passed that restricts all but a 389 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 1: few scenarios that allow tugboats to use their whistles or 390 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 1: their horns and she goes to the Department of Commerce 391 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,879 Speaker 1: and Labor and she says, I want I want a 392 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: toot cop. Basically, I want someone patrolling the waterways to 393 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:38,160 Speaker 1: make sure these ruffians aren't using their horns. And everyone said, 394 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,800 Speaker 1: no way, that's not gonna happen. So she goes to 395 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,200 Speaker 1: one last ditch effort, and this is where she finds success. 396 00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:49,879 Speaker 1: There's an outfit called the American Association and Masters, Mates 397 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,320 Speaker 1: and Pilots. They had a meeting of about ten thousand people, 398 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 1: huge crowd, and she gets them to pass the resolution 399 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:03,280 Speaker 1: ending the quote use of indiscriminate and above all noisy signaling. 400 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: This gets replicated at the federal level under something called 401 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: the nine seven Bennett Act, which is the very first 402 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: anti noise bill ever ratified by Congress. And you would 403 00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: think maybe they agreed because she had put this battina 404 00:25:20,359 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: of the poor and the sick over her real goal here, 405 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: but not really. Instead, they found that signaling was actually 406 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: hurting tugboat navigation and it was making a confusing for 407 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,520 Speaker 1: the same reason we mentioned earlier, was making confusing to 408 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: enter and exit the harbor at night. It was making 409 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: it unsafe because again, you can have a hard time 410 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:47,679 Speaker 1: telling which boat is tooting win. She also was super 411 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 1: antagonistic to the tugboat workers because she was already starting 412 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: off on a pretty pretty irritated you know. So she 413 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: saw those guys as like personal nemessies, personal enemies instead 414 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: folks she could collaborate with. She thought the mariners had 415 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:10,680 Speaker 1: knowingly deviously stolen her peace of mind. So that's why 416 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 1: that's why when we look back, she seems kind of 417 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 1: elitist and belligerent. But she also said a precedent other 418 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,359 Speaker 1: campaigns and other cities started springing up. So this is 419 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: kind of that wind that I was alluding to, and 420 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: Rice is riding high off of this. She organizes um 421 00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:34,199 Speaker 1: this society that we talked about, uh and starts to 422 00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, gather supporters, and she needs Ben a figurehead, 423 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, because at this point, yeah, she's definitely the 424 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:46,480 Speaker 1: loudest voice in the quiet room, but she needs someone 425 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: that's famous to carry this torch with her at the 426 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 1: very least in in name and reputation, if not actively, 427 00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:56,720 Speaker 1: you know, being involved in the day to day of 428 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: the organization. And she finds this in Mark Twain just 429 00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: really interesting considering his background as like a steamboat captain 430 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: or a steamboat worker. Who how why is he on 431 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: board with this cause? I don't understand you think he 432 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: would relate more to the the tugboat workers than to 433 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: to this, Uh, this woman complaining about noise? Yeah? How 434 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:20,520 Speaker 1: did he get from someone who worked in that industry 435 00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,960 Speaker 1: to a guy who said, I'll help you tell kids 436 00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:28,320 Speaker 1: to be quiet when they're walking or near hospitals? He wrote, 437 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 1: He wrote an acceptance letter to her. Here's the dexert. 438 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: I have an abundance of sympathy for this movement while 439 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 1: with young guy, I would like to work for it. Now. 440 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: Thank you for the compliment and pay me, and shall 441 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:42,199 Speaker 1: be happy to have my name used as president of 442 00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:47,840 Speaker 1: the children's hospital brand. Sincerely, yours, Mark Quain. So these 443 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 1: kids would get swag if they agreed to this anti 444 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: noise pledge, they would get buttons, and the buttons would 445 00:27:55,680 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 1: uh were mentor mind kids to be quiet around hospitals. 446 00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: They're in black and white and at the center you 447 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: can see the word. The word is just humanity. So 448 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: this is this is a kind of a weird thing. 449 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 1: We also want to introduce a historian, Emily Thompson, who 450 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: had a book come out called the Soundscape of Modernity, 451 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,920 Speaker 1: in which she talks about how there was a lot 452 00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 1: of classism in these laws. Yeah. I think this has 453 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: been the acts we've been grinding this whole time, and 454 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: it feels pretty obvious. But um, she lays it out 455 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: in the Soundscape of Modernity and refers to the idea 456 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:45,280 Speaker 1: that these noise, these anti noise laws were essentially targeting 457 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:49,920 Speaker 1: the people that that Rice claimed to want to protect, 458 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: the relatively powerless, Uh, folks who were seeing as some 459 00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: sort of I don't know, some sort of blight on 460 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: the plant said, you know, middle and upper class kind 461 00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:06,600 Speaker 1: of vision of a of a well ordered city. Uh. 462 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:10,000 Speaker 1: That quote right there is actually directly from the Soundscape 463 00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: of modernity. I like that, Uh, this idea that they 464 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: were somehow standing in the way of this American dream. 465 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 1: Right there was the nineteen o eight General Order of 466 00:29:19,280 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: forty seven the New York City Police Commissioner Thomas Bingham 467 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: issued that targeted the general idea of street ruckus uh, 468 00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,600 Speaker 1: much more than port noise, which is as far been 469 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: kind of what we've been talking about the idea of 470 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: like you know, newsboys, uh and street vendors and all 471 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 1: of that. People on roller skates, buskers, car horns in 472 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,640 Speaker 1: the like uh, flat wheeled street cars. The law even 473 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: went on to ban uh noises like that resulted from 474 00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 1: people's jobs, like construction work, for example. And these kinds 475 00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 1: of law started popping up all over the country in 476 00:29:55,840 --> 00:30:01,040 Speaker 1: places like Boston and Arkansas, even San Francisco and and yeah, exactly, 477 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: these laws were targeting folks who were working outdoors, you know, 478 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 1: like who were trying to eke out a living in 479 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: a very you know, dog eat dog situation, and a 480 00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,840 Speaker 1: lot of these urban centers, Yeah, people who had to 481 00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: work in the street. And often these people were immigrants. 482 00:30:20,280 --> 00:30:23,680 Speaker 1: They didn't have a lot of agency and the legal system. 483 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: Their rights were routinely stamped upon, you know, doing part 484 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:30,720 Speaker 1: to racism, doing part to classism, you name it. Bad 485 00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,720 Speaker 1: things happened to them. There were even laws that that 486 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: got pretty discriminatory, like peddlers in Chicago for a time 487 00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: could only be in certain parts of the city and 488 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 1: they could not shout as a way of advertising, so 489 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,200 Speaker 1: you no more extra extra get your paper here kind 490 00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:52,920 Speaker 1: of things. Uh. The courts upheld this law in nineteen 491 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: eleven and the peddlers went on strike. Then they rioted 492 00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: and just wrecked part of the city. The police broke 493 00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: the strike violently as they did back in the day, 494 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: and soon there were no more vendors on the streets. 495 00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,760 Speaker 1: More and more laws passed as the decades went on, 496 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:18,240 Speaker 1: more and more noise laws, and eventually this paved the way. 497 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry for cars because cut Yeah, no, no apologies, Max, 498 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: because cars were now the kind of the dominant species 499 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: of the ecosystem of the American street. Uh, and they 500 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: of course create their own noise. So Rice didn't really 501 00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: solve the problem so much as she set up the 502 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,719 Speaker 1: stage where a different kind of noise. And this is um, 503 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: every time we talked about this, the rise of cars. 504 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,120 Speaker 1: I want to do a history of jaywalking one day. 505 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 1: It's some of the most successful propaganda ever. I think 506 00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: I may have done it on car stuff. Anyway, just 507 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,120 Speaker 1: listen to that episode. Well, I don't remember where we 508 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 1: did it. Um, we've definitely discussed the idea of jaywalking 509 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: was meant to basically reduce the idea of like a 510 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,960 Speaker 1: pedestrian situation, because it was like in Favor, it was like, 511 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: you know, rods are now for cars, not for people. 512 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: So jaywalking was again kind of this like weird law 513 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: that allowed cops to harass people for walking exactly. It 514 00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: was vilifying the pedestrian. But cars also may have brought 515 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: the first serious blow to Rice's anti noise movement because 516 00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,280 Speaker 1: the automobile was unstoppable. It made a lot of noise. 517 00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:43,840 Speaker 1: It drowned out protests on either side. It's funny too, 518 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,120 Speaker 1: because there's a bit of irony in the history here. 519 00:32:46,680 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: You know, one of the people who may have driven 520 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: the first motor car in Manhattan was Isaac Rice, Julia's husband, 521 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 1: and he loved racing his agend Noisy Shane through Central Park. 522 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:07,480 Speaker 1: And the problem was, like, I don't know, I think 523 00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: this was an impossible task from the get go, even 524 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 1: if the motivations weren't as selfish as it appears they 525 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:17,400 Speaker 1: actually are. But the big, big problem New Republic has 526 00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,840 Speaker 1: a great article about this. The big, big problem with 527 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:25,239 Speaker 1: fighting unnecessary or loud noise is that the people who 528 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: are making the noise. I don't think it's unnecessary. It 529 00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 1: all depends from your perspective. The guy wants to sell 530 00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: the papers, someone wants to take a joy ride. Someone 531 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: doesn't want their tugboat to wreck. That seems like three 532 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 1: very necessary things a million percent. I mean, especially the 533 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: like things that involved safety for the workers and those 534 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,000 Speaker 1: around them. Maybe the newsies could you know, keep their 535 00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: voices down a little bit, wasn't waving the thing in 536 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 1: the air. And now if you really have to shout 537 00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: again here I am playing the part of the curmudgeon 538 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: ley city dweller that's just tired of all this stuff. 539 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: But it is necessary, and it is the price pay 540 00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: of living in a city where there's like a lot 541 00:34:02,440 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: going on. Uh So, again, I would argue that a 542 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,840 Speaker 1: lot of these like you know, naysayers should probably just 543 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: move into the country they can afford it, get it, 544 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: get a country house, you know, get a place in 545 00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,840 Speaker 1: the Hampton's or whatever. I mean, this is just what 546 00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:18,960 Speaker 1: comes along with living in a place where you're literally 547 00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:22,040 Speaker 1: everyone's stacked on top of each other, you know. I mean, 548 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,640 Speaker 1: there's really no way around it. This idea of what 549 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: was the word they used, ben the dinless city. That's 550 00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: that's that's imaginary. It's not possoble. Yeah, it's very it's 551 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,319 Speaker 1: very true, nal and we know that other people have 552 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 1: tried similar things. In the decades. Sets uh anti noise 553 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:47,120 Speaker 1: organizations became a planetary thing, and after World War One, 554 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: the war against noise hit a new fever pitch UH. 555 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: People were targeting things like the automobile horn in Paris 556 00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: and London and Chicago. It was banned in the nineteen twenties. 557 00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:04,279 Speaker 1: In the nineteen thirties there was a Noiseless Nights campaign 558 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,880 Speaker 1: in New York where they would station these noise measuring 559 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,640 Speaker 1: devices across the city, and then New York past law 560 00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,720 Speaker 1: multiple laws, like dozens of laws over the x UH 561 00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:20,800 Speaker 1: like the next few decades to try to shut down 562 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:25,200 Speaker 1: really loud noises, and by the nineteen seventies, governments, not 563 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:30,240 Speaker 1: just Uncle Sam world governments were treating noise as environmental pollution, 564 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: which it really is. I mean, to be fair, Rice 565 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,279 Speaker 1: may not have had the most noble of motivations, but 566 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:39,360 Speaker 1: she was onto something because you know you and I 567 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: just pointed out earlier, the science is there that noise 568 00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,040 Speaker 1: can do lasting harm to people exposed to it isn't 569 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:48,279 Speaker 1: if I know that Rice's husband, once he got his 570 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:51,399 Speaker 1: hand on a sweet ride, he was like totally over 571 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,319 Speaker 1: the whole anti noise things. I say not as I 572 00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 1: do exactly. It's like, if people knew how cool this 573 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,440 Speaker 1: was everybody do it? You know that's where Yeah, very 574 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: much so. But it's not for you poors, you know, 575 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,279 Speaker 1: it's just for me and my joy rides around the 576 00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:11,799 Speaker 1: city with my leather driving gloves. You're you're right, Ben, 577 00:36:11,880 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: I mean there is some merit to this stuff, and 578 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,640 Speaker 1: again it is thankfully nowadays, you know, you can get 579 00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: these very very effective noise canceling headphones or earbuds that 580 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,239 Speaker 1: use technology to filter out a lot of frequencies. Uh. 581 00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,440 Speaker 1: And it's actually I was just in we were just 582 00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,240 Speaker 1: in Austin together and I was wearing those while walking around, 583 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: or I think we were in in a barcade and 584 00:36:34,040 --> 00:36:37,480 Speaker 1: I was just listening to some podcast stuff for work 585 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,520 Speaker 1: and I walked outside, I took them out, and it's 586 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,879 Speaker 1: like it's just like the world opens up and it's 587 00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,800 Speaker 1: very jarring. Just as I did it, this like line 588 00:36:46,840 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 1: of Hary Krishna dudes playing like the most jarring jangly 589 00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: tambourines and pots and pan banging kind of sound that 590 00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,880 Speaker 1: ever passed right by me. And I almost bowled me 591 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,920 Speaker 1: over because I went from this control rolled kind of 592 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:04,120 Speaker 1: you know, measured quiet to just the world was on 593 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:07,240 Speaker 1: fire with noise. So I get it. It can be jarring, 594 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 1: but again, nowadays it's a lot easier to filter that out. 595 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,480 Speaker 1: And I think it's probably the saving grace of a 596 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:15,480 Speaker 1: lot of people that live in super noisy places like 597 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:19,400 Speaker 1: New York and London. Uh, is this noise canceling technology? Yeah, 598 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,719 Speaker 1: And that's like, that's why I go back to that 599 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 1: Central America example, because I get it. I was I 600 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,280 Speaker 1: was astounded, like I could not hang out for a while. 601 00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:30,000 Speaker 1: I had to get to a quiet place and like 602 00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,839 Speaker 1: gradually introduce myself to city life again the way that 603 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 1: a DPC diver has to gradually reach the surface to 604 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:41,080 Speaker 1: avoid the bends. And really, you know, another important point 605 00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:45,600 Speaker 1: about this is it's targeting the noise of individual people, 606 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: like Wagnon points out in the Atlantic article, doesn't really 607 00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:52,240 Speaker 1: do much. It doesn't address the real problem. The real 608 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:58,520 Speaker 1: problem is environmental noise, transportation, industrial activity. That's the kind 609 00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:01,560 Speaker 1: of stuff that can really call us lasting harm. That's 610 00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:05,400 Speaker 1: what has to be targeted if someone wants these campaigns 611 00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: to be successful. And I gotta tell you, I gotta 612 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 1: tell you I'm very biased with this because I don't 613 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: know if you guys know this, but I have miss aphonia, 614 00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,160 Speaker 1: which means that certain certain noises just drive me up 615 00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:22,640 Speaker 1: the wall, through the ceiling, out of town and into orbit. 616 00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: Mouth noises in particular snoring, eating, you know, chewing loudly, 617 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:30,440 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. So I also am really well 618 00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:35,719 Speaker 1: aware that not everybody likes every noise. It's just when 619 00:38:35,760 --> 00:38:40,759 Speaker 1: you get to the idea of policing other people's individual behavior, 620 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 1: you have to ask yourself if you're really solving a problem. 621 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,200 Speaker 1: And I'm starting to wonder if Rice herself may have 622 00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: had miss aphonia just because of the way she targeted 623 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 1: tugboats in particular. Absolutely, And you also have to decide 624 00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:55,799 Speaker 1: how far are you willing to go, because you know, 625 00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: once you open up this kind of thinking and then 626 00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,640 Speaker 1: these types of law, it's like, we're not going to 627 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:06,800 Speaker 1: arrest until we live in a completely noise protected world, 628 00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,600 Speaker 1: and that's just not possible. So at the beginning, I said, 629 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,120 Speaker 1: is the is the war on noise like the war 630 00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 1: on drugs, and that it's unwinnable. I would argue, yes, 631 00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,359 Speaker 1: noise is part of life. You really can't get rid 632 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: of it entirely. And I think you're totally ripe. And 633 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:25,160 Speaker 1: this is one person's crusade because of a personal vendetta 634 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:29,800 Speaker 1: that then kind of became um falsely, I would argue, 635 00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: wrapped up in some greater good argument, But I think 636 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:34,680 Speaker 1: you're right then. I think it all came down to 637 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,919 Speaker 1: she was just annoyed by the thing and therefore wasn't 638 00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: gonna rest until you know, she solved the problem for her. 639 00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:47,240 Speaker 1: And with that, this episode of Ridiculous History Noise draws 640 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:50,200 Speaker 1: to a close. We hope you enjoyed it. Uh big, 641 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: big thanks to that leaf blower out there who is 642 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: just trying to do his job. Big big thanks to 643 00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:59,560 Speaker 1: Mr Max Williams, are super producer, and uh big thanks. 644 00:39:59,640 --> 00:40:03,040 Speaker 1: In a advance, by the way, breaking news to some 645 00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,320 Speaker 1: guests we're going to have on in the near future, 646 00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: brand new guests from a brand new show that just 647 00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:13,359 Speaker 1: came Well. Yeah, Bill and Mark from Ridiculous News, good 648 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: friends of ours. The show is fantastic. You don't have 649 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: to take our word for it. Just tune in next week. 650 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,160 Speaker 1: You're gonna hear all about it with those guys. Yeah, 651 00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna have a solid hang very much looking forward 652 00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:25,680 Speaker 1: to uh. 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Yes, yes, you can get a behind 659 00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,840 Speaker 1: the scene sneak peek at the various things I'm working 660 00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: on my various misadventures by going to Twitter where I'm 661 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,080 Speaker 1: at Ben Bolan hs W or you can find me 662 00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:57,080 Speaker 1: on Instagram at Ben Bowling bo w L. I n 663 00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,279 Speaker 1: had to remember how to spell my last name. There. 664 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:03,839 Speaker 1: Example of Twitter thing recently, Max, you saw this, I 665 00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,439 Speaker 1: just started writing a list of bands for people who 666 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:10,120 Speaker 1: want to sleep in, bands like Rage Against the Coffee Machine, 667 00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,800 Speaker 1: System of a Down Blanket and of course Green Day Bed. 668 00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:18,239 Speaker 1: Uh so next I know, the list kept going. I 669 00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 1: should be doing my job. But Max, you're you're on 670 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,439 Speaker 1: Twitter as well, aren't you? Are? The rumors true? Yes? 671 00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:25,800 Speaker 1: I was on Twitter reading that and I literally was 672 00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:28,240 Speaker 1: looking at him like, isn't Ben I know what Ben's 673 00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,200 Speaker 1: supposed to be doing right now, and he's twitting this instead. 674 00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,200 Speaker 1: But yes, you can find me on Twitter at at 675 00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:36,959 Speaker 1: at l Underscore Max Williams. You can see stuff about 676 00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:38,839 Speaker 1: you know shows I'm working on you know, both here 677 00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,759 Speaker 1: and for Ephemeral. And if you're ever interested in a 678 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:45,480 Speaker 1: good you know episode about some silence and stuff, or 679 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,040 Speaker 1: at least humans ever wanting quest for it, we have 680 00:41:49,160 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 1: an episode called the Sounds of Silence from season one 681 00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,360 Speaker 1: of Ephemeral. It is an excellent little check out of 682 00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,240 Speaker 1: the kind of on this topic right here. Fantastic fantastic. 683 00:41:58,760 --> 00:42:00,880 Speaker 1: Maybe we end on a slightly positively because I was 684 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,759 Speaker 1: gonna say, ask people what their worst sounds are, but no, 685 00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,319 Speaker 1: how about we do this? What are some of your 686 00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 1: favorite sounds? Folks? Can't wait to hear from you. Let 687 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: us know. We'll see you next time Fox. For more 688 00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 1: podcasts from my Heart Radio, visit the I Heart Radio app, 689 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:25,400 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.