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Speaker 1: visit SWBC dot com. Now your host, Kevin Turner, Well,

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Speaker 1: hello world. It is the Happy Hour, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by s WBC Mortgage. I am Kevin kat Turner from

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Speaker 1: the ben In Skin Show on one oh five three

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Speaker 1: the Fan. We do this every Wednesday night at seven

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Speaker 1: pm on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network as well as

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Speaker 1: one oh five three The Fan. Basically, what we do

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Speaker 1: is we have a good time, we talk cowboys, and

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Speaker 1: we get a panel and I've I've assembled a pretty

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Speaker 1: good panel to not that I had anything to do

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Speaker 1: good job tonight because I've got Jay Novachek, former Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys tight in here. Hello Jay, So he got like

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Speaker 1: four people against me, We're all one big super team.

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Speaker 1: I've never been on the side of a reporter one.

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Speaker 1: you know what, I could vouch for that too. By

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Speaker 1: the way, Micky and I go back long. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's like one of the uh, the very first individuals

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Speaker 1: was another great move by the Cardinals not to And

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Speaker 1: that was the voice of Mickey Spagnola, of course, of

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com. Hello, Mick, I'm doing great. How

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Speaker 1: are you doing. I'm doing great. Thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us again tonight. And also we have from Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dot Com Brian brought us kat guys. How we doing.

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Speaker 1: Gerey good, doing good. I'm enjoying this Wednesday night show.

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Speaker 1: It's been a lot of it's good, a lot of fun. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then also Jeff skin Wade from the Ben and

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Speaker 1: Skin Show. Why, thank you, Kevin. It's nice to see

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Speaker 1: you for the second time today. Yes, yes, that's a

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Speaker 1: seems yea too much time for you on a day

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Speaker 1: to day basis. So he's here tonight, and uh, I figured, hey,

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Speaker 1: It let's u let's start out with last week and

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Speaker 1: kind of a weird game. Uh, Jay, I'm when you play.

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Speaker 1: That was the environment in New Orleans kind of like

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Speaker 1: My initial takeaway from Sunday Nights game was Hey, this

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Speaker 1: a week ago Thursday Night game, I thought that Philadelphia

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Speaker 1: over and I'm looking at Twitter and people are like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you're driving you know, another ten fifteen yards, You've got

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Speaker 1: do that, though, and then they get ten yards for it. Right,

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Speaker 1: they'd rather get it happens. It happened. Past interference is

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Speaker 1: the most impressive and most amanding, uh, the greatest call ever.

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Speaker 1: Okay receivers, Okay receiver. This is a very biased opinion

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Speaker 1: coming from down there, right, And yes, especially if Dion

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Speaker 1: Sanders is holding Michael in a playoff game in San

433
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Speaker 1: Francisco when we should have had an opportunity to go

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Speaker 1: score and win the game and win four Super Bowls

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Speaker 1: in a row. Damn No, doubt case closed. You did

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Speaker 1: it all right? That was our soapbox on NFL Officiated.

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Speaker 1: We'll get back to the Cowboys in the next segment.

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Speaker 1: Do the Cowboys have an injury problem on their offensive line?

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Speaker 1: We'll get the latest of the Cowboys. Take a look

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Speaker 1: at the Packers. That's next on the Happy Hour. Rough

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Speaker 1: bringing you with the Happy Hour every Wednesday night, seven

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Speaker 1: pm on the Dallas Cowboys Radio Network as well as

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Speaker 1: one oh five three the Fan dot Com locally. Tonight's panel,

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Speaker 1: aside from myself, I'm Kat from the Ben and Skin Show,

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Speaker 1: is Jeff Skinway, Brian brought us and Mickey Spagnola Dallas

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Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com and a man who not only used

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Speaker 1: to play for the Cowboys but was also just delivered

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Speaker 1: a very impressive looking state here from the Cowboys Club.

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Speaker 1: It's Jay Novachick Cowboy rib. I recognize that thing when

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Speaker 1: it pulled up. I thought it was the tomahawk. Yeah,

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00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: it also looks like a tahawk, but I was gonna

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Speaker 1: get them. That's impressive here. There may not be enough

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Speaker 1: room on our on our set up here for the

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Speaker 1: for a big tomahawk steak, but that looks awesome, very nice.

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00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: You can hurt a man with that thing. Brought us

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Speaker 1: someone to start with you here. Today we learned that

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Speaker 1: Lyle Collins did not practice because of a back. We

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Speaker 1: know Tyran is not playing this week. Uh do we

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Speaker 1: have an issue here? My my uh take was, Hey,

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Speaker 1: it's just Wednesday, you got plenty of time. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, I think in talking some folks in the

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Speaker 1: organization about that, you know they uh Lyle Collins did

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Speaker 1: come up with the back, like you said, Katie, but

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00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 1: they're not worried about it. They're not. I mean, it

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Speaker 1: seems like if you're gonna play well, you have to

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Speaker 1: have a back issue on this offensive line. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: with with Collins, report was that that should he should

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Speaker 1: be okay, and that you know that we'll probably see

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Speaker 1: him back tomorrow and then we'll and then he'll get

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Speaker 1: ready for the game and prepare that way, kat you

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Speaker 1: didn't like the idea of Cam Fleming at one tackle

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Speaker 1: and Connor Williams at the I didn't like the idea,

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Speaker 1: just a full scale switch affic. On the Wednesday, I

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Speaker 1: was like, you know what, can we just wait? But uh, well,

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Speaker 1: you know what the plan is that the swing tackle

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Speaker 1: Connor Williams, Conor Wims, he's gonna be the swing tackle.

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Speaker 1: And so my next question was, so, if you have

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Speaker 1: to play that way, who's the next tackle up? Because

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00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: you don't have any more tackles And it was like, well,

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Speaker 1: Zach Martin can go outside? Oh my god, oh boy,

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Speaker 1: that's crazy. Yeah, I mean it'd be like I said,

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00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 1: it's it's good that it's good that Collins will be back,

488
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Speaker 1: and so then if they have to use Connor Wims,

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean, you know, Mickey and I were

490
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: having this discussion on our show today about that, and

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Speaker 1: do you have to give Cam Fleming help because you know,

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Speaker 1: the Packers do have a couple of quality rushers, the

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Speaker 1: law firm of Smith and Smith. You know, is uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, so yeah, I think that. But the thing

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Speaker 1: about Cam Fleming is he's made some quality starts. He

496
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Speaker 1: started in a Super Bowl, so you know, but I

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00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 1: think Mickey's all right. We've all kind of talked about.

498
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: There's there's things that about him that aren't pretty when

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Speaker 1: you watch him block. There's there's the techno he goes

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Speaker 1: a little off. You know, he kind of does things

501
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: in a flailing manner, but he manages to keep his

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Speaker 1: feet and stay in front of his guy. I don't

503
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Speaker 1: know how he does it a lot of the time,

504
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Speaker 1: but you know, that's kind of what they're you know,

505
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Speaker 1: when you're going to battle, they try to protect themselves

506
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Speaker 1: the best they can with adding a guy that has experience. Now,

507
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: mind you, it's probably not the most ideal situation, but

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Speaker 1: at least they feel good about that. We're early here,

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00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:26,680
Speaker 1: But you guys think Connor is more of a tackle

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Speaker 1: than a guard. You know, I I've never seen him

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Speaker 1: play tackles. Yeah, I mean I can always say I've

512
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: seen him play tackle of Texas. I know Kat has

513
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 1: when we were doing scouting stuff in a spring, but

514
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: you know, he was a left tackle of Texas the

515
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 1: Big twelve. I thought I did a pretty good job there.

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Speaker 1: Then he hurt his knee. He hurt his knee and

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Speaker 1: then it kind of slowed him up a little bit

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Speaker 1: and The problem with him is not the athletic ability.

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00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: It's just even though he's added bulk, there's still times

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Speaker 1: you see him play. And Jay can address this as

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00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 1: well because he you know, he played with his knees

522
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 1: bent and get under guys and kind of work them.

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00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: When he gets tall, it's a problem for him and

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Speaker 1: sometimes you see you see rushers get under him and

525
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Speaker 1: leverage him and it kind of walks him. And you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't need that hit on that edge and especially inside,

527
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Speaker 1: you don't need those guys to walk you like that,

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Speaker 1: and that that's gonna be a problem for him. You know,

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Speaker 1: if if Cam Fleming has any advantage in this game,

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Speaker 1: he played against Preston Smith last year, Yeah, that would

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Speaker 1: have one of his starts, right. And there were times

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00:33:28,360 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't real pretty, not at all. He was better

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Speaker 1: against the run than he wasn't pass blocking. And one

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Speaker 1: of the things that Cowboys did was about seventy five

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Speaker 1: percent of the time there was a tight end over there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and tight end didn't always help him, but he was

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Speaker 1: there to make sure that the guy didn't go around

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Speaker 1: him to the outside. He had to go inside or

539
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: they had a running back over there, and when the

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Speaker 1: running back went out, he went out so that the

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Speaker 1: guy couldn't rush to the outside he would and so

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00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:01,080
Speaker 1: he had a little cushion there, right, But there was

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Speaker 1: some pass blocking that you who's the best blocking tight

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00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,799
Speaker 1: end on this team? Who do you guys think That's

545
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: what I mean? Pass block, yes, yes? Or run block? Well? Right,

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Speaker 1: I'm thinking I'll tell you right now, if you have

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Speaker 1: to have Jason Witten in there to help out, then

548
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: you're losing a great receiver. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I

549
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,240
Speaker 1: remember when we were playing Green Bay and Reggie White

550
00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: was over there absolute Eric Williams and I don't know

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Speaker 1: what that great offensive mine, uh North Turner was thinking,

552
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: did you get there? He put me in to help

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Speaker 1: out Eric Williams. And I'm telling you right now that

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Speaker 1: the first two times I set up to help pass

555
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Speaker 1: block with Eric Williams on Reggie White, Eric about knocked

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Speaker 1: me out when he knocked Reggie out, and so I

557
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: had to get out of the way. I was scared.

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00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 1: I mean, I was like, you know, I mean, Eric

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00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: was amazing when it came to Reggie or he hated

560
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: playing Reggie White, hated playing him. I was working with

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00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,960
Speaker 1: the Packers at the time we beat San Francisco, We're

562
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: going to the championship game in Dallas and everybody's happy

563
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: and Reggie White sitting in his locker looking down and

564
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: it was like, Regge, what's wrong? He is Eric Williams. Yeah, yeah,

565
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 1: they hated He hated playing Eric Williams more than any

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Speaker 1: other player. And here's a whole of fame Belio player.

567
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Speaker 1: But to you know, to to the point instead of,

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00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, maybe the Cowboys can make an adjustment where

569
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,680
Speaker 1: they take Joe Looney and they just play with an extra.

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Speaker 1: You know, you put you put Joe Looney out next

571
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Speaker 1: to you, put Joe Looney out next to Cam Fleming

572
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:46,960
Speaker 1: in and make and put two offensive linemen to that side. Now,

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00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: if you had somebody, if you were playing somebody that

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00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,319
Speaker 1: was really just a blowing and going type of guy

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00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: over there, say you're playing you know, the guy at

576
00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,239
Speaker 1: the Bears, Say you're playing Heliot. You're playing somebody like

577
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: that Von Miller, somebody you're really worried about him capturing

578
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: the edge all day. Well, then put put a guy

579
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: over there, like a Joe Looney and have him sit

580
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: on the edge and make him have to Those guys

581
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: have to fight too offensive lineman, not a pass catching

582
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Speaker 1: tight end and an a tackle. Would your pass catching

583
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: tight end that scenario be more Jarwin. Well, you know,

584
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: Jarwin needs to play more in In my opinion, I

585
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: think that Blake Jarwin. I mean, I love Jason Witten.

586
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: I mean I was on the staff that brought him here,

587
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: But I mean I think that Blake Jarwin gives you

588
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 1: a little something down the field, A little bit further

589
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 1: down the field. I don't want to look this guy

590
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,359
Speaker 1: down here. Numbers Oni is more Witten, but Jarwin has

591
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 1: some Novachech style athletic ability, no question. You don't want

592
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Speaker 1: to do that, man, you don't want to go that. Well,

593
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,959
Speaker 1: I'm all apologies the way the way I did things,

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00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: nobody wants to do him. Man, You're like, you're like

595
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: a modern tight end. Back then down the hills. Here's

596
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: what they need to do. They need to mix it up. Yeah,

597
00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:06,279
Speaker 1: so they so that rusher does not know what's coming, right,

598
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 1: all that's all you have to do. You might let

599
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,040
Speaker 1: Whitton will stay in a couple of times. That's no

600
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: big u. Bat can chip him every now and they

601
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: sure habits so they don't know what's going on. Anytime.

602
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, I saw DeMarcus Wearing here. Yeah, yeah,

603
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: I was scared. Anyway, you get you get a defensive

604
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: player to think and you beat them. Yeah, because all

605
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,200
Speaker 1: they're doing, they're they're one hundred percent of the time,

606
00:37:38,280 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 1: they have to react to what's going on. So if

607
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: you get them to think, it's very difficult. Only the

608
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 1: great ones, you know, someone like DeMarcus Wearing, you use

609
00:37:46,239 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: a great one. He can think and react at the

610
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: same time. Most of them can't, right, And so you

611
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: get that situation, you get them to think, what's gonna happen.

612
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:56,719
Speaker 1: Is the tight end gonna set up and get me?

613
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 1: Is a bat gonna come chip me? What is the

614
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: situation here? And it slows them down just enough that

615
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 1: the tackles in this instance can get set up and

616
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 1: get the body in position to be a player. You know.

617
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 1: The other thing they did last year when they played Washington,

618
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: they used a lot of two tight ends, right, and

619
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,560
Speaker 1: they put both of them over there, right, so now

620
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: the guy to know which one's blocking and which one's

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Speaker 1: going out. Yeah, And that's the thing with the Packers

622
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,360
Speaker 1: when you watch them play. They flipped their outside linebackers,

623
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,960
Speaker 1: so it's not like you're having one guy rush on

624
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:29,440
Speaker 1: the right side of the upside. So you have to

625
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 1: determine who you know, if Preston Smith is killing you

626
00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: in the game, you know, okay, maybe you think about

627
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: that or vice first. I have a feeling they're gonna

628
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 1: go after They're gonna go after Camp Flemming. I really

629
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Speaker 1: really do. I think they're gonna whoever they determine, whoever

630
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: they determine their best rusher is of the two Smiths.

631
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Speaker 1: I have a feeling that's the side they're gonna put

632
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Speaker 1: them on. And that leads to Jay's point of putting

633
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: a tight end over there, chipping with a back and

634
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 1: all that. Then you could get a better bead on

635
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Speaker 1: what you want to do. And this is kind of

636
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: where you go back to the first of the segment

637
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Speaker 1: talking about Lyle needing to be health the because the

638
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: thing about the Packers that they're not as much like

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys more of a downhill defense. They're more of

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Speaker 1: a we're gonna try to trick you. We're gonna try

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Speaker 1: to We're gonna blitz a guy from a guy. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna play in dime quite a bit. We're not gonna

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Speaker 1: tackle very well, and we're gonna let you run on us,

644
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna hope to not break like they're gonna

645
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Speaker 1: just try to confuse you. And if you have two

646
00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: starters missing on the offensive line instead of one, that

647
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:28,840
Speaker 1: creates a lot of issues. That's why shuffling guys around

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00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 1: and moving Connor to right tackle and bring it into

649
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: a filo and whatever happened, that's that's what makes me nervous.

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Speaker 1: That's too many moves. I really twenty two personnel. Give

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00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:40,560
Speaker 1: me some twenty two personnel. If you had a real fullback,

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Speaker 1: two running backs, two tight ends, we can do a

653
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: little bit stoy and then you're your wide receiver. Right now,

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00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 1: we'll see. We'll see if Gallup plays, it looks like

655
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 1: probably he's you know, he had his knee scope for meniscus.

656
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,920
Speaker 1: That that's a one duck hunt deal. And you're back.

657
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 1: I got to see there. You you missed. The last

658
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,759
Speaker 1: game of the season was yea, and then they got

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Speaker 1: a buy right, and then he played in the playoff games.

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Speaker 1: Yeah right, I practiced the next week. Yah. I told

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Speaker 1: you I went duck hunt during the game. I was

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Speaker 1: out duck hunt. You were You were a track and

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Speaker 1: field guy too, right, what was your event? I did

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Speaker 1: the decathlon? God, there you go. Okay, what a stud

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Speaker 1: athlete this guy is down here? What old is the decathlon?

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Speaker 1: Intael and nell ten? You need all ten? Yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: all ten? Okay. You start out. You start out with

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Speaker 1: a hundred meters, right, then your long jump, throw the shot, put,

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Speaker 1: high jump, and end up that day with the four

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Speaker 1: hundred meters. And then the second day you come out

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Speaker 1: with one hundred ten meter high hurdles. You throw the javelin,

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Speaker 1: that's a tight end, throw the javelin, you high jump,

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Speaker 1: throw the discus, and then end up with the fifteen

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Speaker 1: hundred meters. Didn't didn't what's that? You didn't have to

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Speaker 1: pull vall? Yeah? I didn't say that, did that? Yeah?

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00:41:09,560 --> 00:41:12,359
Speaker 1: One hundred ten meters high hurdles you pull, vault, throw

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Speaker 1: the javelin. Yeah yeah, disc Yeah, already messed up the

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00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 1: eight thousand through the shot. You threw the shot, you

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00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: threw the disc, you threw the javelin, and then you

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00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: high jumped, you vaulted, and you long jumped, and then

681
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: you had the four. So I don't know where I

682
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 1: messed up on the days, but you said high jumped twice.

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Speaker 1: So that boy, that pole vault's great on the knees,

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Speaker 1: isn't it. It's got to feel awesome. And then you

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Speaker 1: finished with I love the poll. Yeah, I was good, Baulder,

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Speaker 1: you finished with the eight hundred, fifteen hundreds. So whoever

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Speaker 1: the last man standing right by time you get through

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Speaker 1: the fifteen, you know, wave the flag. I don't want

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Speaker 1: to talk about him. And it is the Happy Hour

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Speaker 1: Jeff skin Wade. We'll be right back to the Happy

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Speaker 1: Yes we are good, sir. I'm Kevin kat Turner from

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot Com and also locally on one oh

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Speaker 1: five three The Fan. I'm joined tonight by Jeff skin

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Speaker 1: Way to the Bennin Skin Show. Brian brought us of

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys dot com, Mickey Spagnola of Dallas Cowboys dot Com,

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Speaker 1: and also Jay Novacheck is in the house. Ye who

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Speaker 1: would have thought I would have shown up there? How'd

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00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,360
Speaker 1: that steak workout for you? All of there? Bake is

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00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,759
Speaker 1: working out exception. You know, I'm thinking when I look

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Speaker 1: at all this food, if they need to sell memberships

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00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: up here, they just bring people up and feed them.

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Speaker 1: They'll sign on the dotard line. There's a waiting list

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Speaker 1: for these memberships. They're they're doing well. But look at

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Speaker 1: Katie got us at table. It says reserves. I'm confident

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Speaker 1: I had zero to do with that, but I'll take

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Speaker 1: the credit halfway. Jay, how do you like your steak cooked?

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Speaker 1: It's done very well, medium medium rare. Okay, that's that's

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00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: my go to medium rares kind of world like that.

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Speaker 1: It's it's a very common order, yes, but it's it's

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Speaker 1: the perfect sense, the sweet spot, right. I got the

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Speaker 1: Cowboy Raby. There we go. It's a good stuff up

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Speaker 1: here in the Cowboy club Packers this week also three

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Speaker 1: and one. Uh. I think everyone's kind of angry at

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Speaker 1: the Packers last week when they failed to put away

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Speaker 1: the Eagles on Thursday Night football. You mean like from

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00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,879
Speaker 1: the one yard line a couple of times on time,

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00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 1: like six different plays for the one yard line. Uh.

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Speaker 1: But they do have Aaron Rodgers, and I think any

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00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: Cowboys fan of recent history has bad Aaron Rodgers memories. Um,

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Speaker 1: I've a guy who grew up with a family who

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Speaker 1: follows the Packers. I've seen a lot of Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: in my time. And Brett Farve of course, and you

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Speaker 1: got you a Super Bowl ring there, Brodger did, although

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Speaker 1: you had something to do with that as well. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Is Aaron Rodgers? Where would you guys kind of rank

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Speaker 1: him on you know, the best quarterbacks you've ever seen?

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Speaker 1: You know, I know there's a lot of guys, and

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Speaker 1: you played with one of them in Troy and Steve

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00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,919
Speaker 1: Young was great in that era in Montana. But where

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Speaker 1: would you guys kind of rank Aaron Rodgers in history

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Speaker 1: of guys you've seen play. I think when you're looking

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Speaker 1: at it in history, I mean it's hard to know,

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Speaker 1: right if you're back a time. If you're in the

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Speaker 1: top fifty, you're exceptional. Yeah, yeah, sure, you know, I

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00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: would say Sally top twenty five. I mean, you know,

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00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't something else. I don't mean this too.

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Speaker 1: Dismiss the question in any way, I understand it, and

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00:47:57,160 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 1: especially working in sports talk, understand it. But to me,

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00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: this is always about we're splitting hairs of greatness, and

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Speaker 1: so whenever these conversations come up, my first response as well, hell,

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Speaker 1: I can win with any of them. You know, if

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Speaker 1: you have to your point when you get to the

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00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: level and Aaron Rodgers is at and we're gonna sit

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Speaker 1: here and we're gonna argue about a guy that's won

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Speaker 1: two Super Bowls or been to a Super Bowl and

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00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 1: all this stuff. You know, there's when I was growing up,

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00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 1: it was all about Joe Montana, and you know, I

757
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: grew up cowboy fans. We got Stabock and then we

758
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: got eight men in all this, but Joe Montana is

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00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:33,360
Speaker 1: kind of the gold standard. And then after Joe Montana

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00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 1: there's a bunch of great quarterbacks in there, and then

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00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: you're moving to Tom Brady and so if you played

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00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 1: quarterback in either of those eras, you're getting overshadowed because

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00:48:43,160 --> 00:48:46,000
Speaker 1: of what those guys did. But to your point, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, hey, who's better Jordan or Lebron. Well, hell,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna win a bunch of championships with either of them.

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Speaker 1: When you get and I think Aaron Rodgers is that level.

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00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 1: When we're talking about whatever the greatest quarterbacks are, he

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Speaker 1: belongs in the discussion. So, yeah, the quarterbacks that play

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Speaker 1: in the salary cap era because of the way the

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Speaker 1: teams turned over. I grew up with great I grew

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Speaker 1: up with Roger Staubach and then and watching Joe Montana

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Speaker 1: and those guys play, Terry Bradshaw, those guys, their team

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Speaker 1: never turned over. Joe Montana had the same offensive line,

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Speaker 1: Harris Barton, Jesse Sappulo, you know, had the same mind,

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00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,560
Speaker 1: had the same receivers, had the same back in Roger Craig,

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00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: you know, the salary cap era never affected him and

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Speaker 1: the way he played his players remained the same. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: So all of a sudden, you get a guy like

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Speaker 1: Brady whose team rolls over every thirty you know, thirty percent.

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00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: H Mannings team rolls over every thirty percent. Aaron Rodgers

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00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: team rolls over every thirty percent, and then you have

782
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: injury and they can't replace the guys because they can't

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00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,200
Speaker 1: afford guys and the players aren't good enough. I had

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Speaker 1: the utmost respect for the quarterbacks that have played in

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Speaker 1: the salary cap era that have had success, you know,

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Speaker 1: and I Jay talks about top twenty five, I would

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00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 1: say you'd have to have Aaron Rodgers and the top

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Speaker 1: five of all time quarterbacks just because again he's had

789
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Speaker 1: to deal with so much turnover. Now. Ted Thompson, the

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00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: general manager of the Packers, was able to hold some

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Speaker 1: of that together, but they, you know, they just weren't

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00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: able to hold it all together. And I just think

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Speaker 1: that those guys, like I say the utmost respect for

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Speaker 1: the Tom Brady's of the world and those guys that

795
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:25,760
Speaker 1: played when their rosters is constantly getting churned. Aaron Rodgers

796
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,760
Speaker 1: is so good that I had a feeling of dread.

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Speaker 1: And Kat will know we talked about this ad nauseum.

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Speaker 1: I had an immediate feeling of dread. When the Cowboys

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00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: were marching and Jason Garrett called that time out. I

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00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: had which game, I'm sorry, the playoff game, the playoff

801
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 1: game that you know, dak led him back which was

802
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: incredible for a rookie quarterback. And they're marching and Jason

803
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,000
Speaker 1: Garrett called a time out so everybody could breathe. And

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Speaker 1: when he called that time out, I had dread and

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Speaker 1: it was because the other guy is so good. If

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00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:01,600
Speaker 1: that's how you do, I mean to me, that's a

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00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 1: way to define greatness. It's like, hey, we're not even

808
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 1: thinking about what we're trying to do. I'm just worried

809
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: about whatever's gonna happen. Is too much time left him?

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Speaker 1: Too much time? Yeah? Just one second? Too many? Right,

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Speaker 1: just right, It's all he needed. That's all he needed.

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00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,160
Speaker 1: And for the guy to hold David Irving from behind, yes,

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00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,200
Speaker 1: right back, rightway, go right the right? How about that?

814
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:30,520
Speaker 1: How about the blitz though from Jeff Heath hits him

815
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: on the back side, and that that right here tells

816
00:51:35,080 --> 00:51:38,200
Speaker 1: you all you need to know about toughness of a quarterback,

817
00:51:38,600 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: the willingness to win all those things. He's standing there

818
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:44,520
Speaker 1: and Heath blasting and most quarterback that ball is flying,

819
00:51:44,840 --> 00:51:47,760
Speaker 1: and here comes Orlando Scandrick to pick it up. Games

820
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: over for the Dallas Cowboys. And you know what I

821
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:52,719
Speaker 1: say about that? Wow, it's his job to hold onto

822
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: the ball right, you know. And and here's the bottom

823
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: line on it. The guy last Thursday through for four

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00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: hundred and forty yards at his age. Yeah, yeah, I

825
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:06,440
Speaker 1: don't care who you're playing, right. It's hard to throw

826
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Speaker 1: for four hundred and forty yards against air right without

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Speaker 1: you know, screwing up. And he's not who he used

828
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: to be. He's had a couple of injuries. Yeah, well,

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00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,759
Speaker 1: he's still very good and that was his best game

830
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Speaker 1: of the year. Go in that locker room and ask

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Speaker 1: those dvs what they think. They're sitting there and there

832
00:52:20,840 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 1: rolling their eyes, like, are you kidding me? He's running

833
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 1: out of the pocket, throwing on the run, and he's

834
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Speaker 1: throwing darts accurately. You know. This is where I went

835
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Speaker 1: the other when I was thinking about Davante Adams, their

836
00:52:32,560 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: number one wide receiver, maybe not me, might not be playing.

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Speaker 1: And that would be a huge lift for the Cowboys

838
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:40,839
Speaker 1: because they don't have because of the salary cap era,

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Speaker 1: because if they chose to spend a lot of money

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00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,400
Speaker 1: on defense, they don't have a lot of big time weapons.

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00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:50,840
Speaker 1: They've got a couple of Geranomo Allison's okay, scantling. This

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00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 1: scanling's pretty good player, but he's you know, kind of

843
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 1: a straight line down the field. Call guys, man, they

844
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: got great Jimmy Graham is a shell of himself, but

845
00:52:57,719 --> 00:52:59,319
Speaker 1: you could still throw it up to him and Allie

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00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 1: but seven right, they had a big touchdown last Thursday night. Yes,

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Speaker 1: I personally think the Cowboys are gonna have a pretty

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Speaker 1: and I'm to be confident. You follow the Packers quite closely, though.

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Speaker 1: What is the one thing that if what would be

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Speaker 1: you're just stopping the Cowboys running attack that you think

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Speaker 1: And this is a really big Kellen Moore game to

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Speaker 1: This is this is interesting. You can bring up Kellen Moore.

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Speaker 1: So Jay was with the Cowboys when Norv Turner was

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Speaker 1: they're gonna scheme it. They don't want they don't want

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Speaker 1: All right, let's give it up for jay Nova check everyone,

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