WEBVTT - 06/28/21 DPS Hour 3 Scottie Pippen 0:00:00.680 --> 0:00:03.520 You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 0:00:03.560 --> 0:00:06.720 Sports Radio. Hope you had a great weekend, everybody. More 0:00:06.720 --> 0:00:08.840 phone calls coming up, best and worst of the weekend. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:11.399 We'll check in with the Hall of famers. Scottie Pippen, 0:00:11.720 --> 0:00:15.640 he'll join us here momentarily. Some of the headlines. Clippers 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:18.800 at the Sunset's game five tonight, Sunds up three one 0:00:18.840 --> 0:00:21.880 on the Clips, the Bucks up two one on the Hawks. 0:00:22.239 --> 0:00:25.119 Not sure about the status of Trey Young with that 0:00:25.320 --> 0:00:29.600 injured ankle. 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I'm trying to think the last time we 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:13.240 spoke probably six years ago. You're making some headlines here, 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.640 Scotty Dan. I'm always making headlines. I need to keep 0:01:16.680 --> 0:01:20.080 my mouth closed. Is there anything that you want to 0:01:20.120 --> 0:01:28.200 clarify put in context from the GQ article? Not really. 0:01:28.240 --> 0:01:30.720 I mean I think with the Kevin Durant thing, I 0:01:30.760 --> 0:01:34.880 think that people may not have understood the question asking me, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:41.200 you know, had he surpassed Lebron James from a standpoint 0:01:41.400 --> 0:01:44.959 of looking at it at basketball and what Lebron James 0:01:44.959 --> 0:01:49.000 have been able to do from carrying a team. I 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:52.360 don't think Kevin Durant is at a position where I 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.960 can say that he surpassed Lebron James. Yeah, and you're 0:01:56.000 --> 0:01:59.400 just being an analyst here looking at this. Hey, it 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.560 it didn't feel personal, but it felt like Kevin took 0:02:03.560 --> 0:02:07.360 it personally. Is that how you kind of assessed that? Yeah, 0:02:07.360 --> 0:02:10.760 And that's kind of how Kevin takes anything unless you're 0:02:10.880 --> 0:02:15.440 praising him and pushing him up. And I wasn't trying 0:02:15.560 --> 0:02:20.120 to in any way belittle him. I think he's a 0:02:20.200 --> 0:02:25.239 very talented player. He's shown that by you know his MVP. 0:02:25.800 --> 0:02:31.600 He has two finals MVPs. But still the question that 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:37.200 I answered was based on him and Lebron's conversion. How 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.400 would you guard him and how different would that be 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:43.960 in guarding Lebron? Well, Dana, I'm gonna be honest, the 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.679 way I played the game, they would have to come 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.280 back in my era and play I can't play anything. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:53.520 This is a this is a non touch game. This 0:02:53.720 --> 0:02:57.960 is a shooters game where they're not any contact. I 0:02:58.080 --> 0:03:00.079 played in an era where the game was physic a 0:03:00.200 --> 0:03:06.679 cool and you had to physically be ready for that 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:09.920 type of challenge night in and night out. It wasn't 0:03:10.160 --> 0:03:12.040 a game where you knew you were going to get 0:03:12.160 --> 0:03:15.000 open shots or you weren't going to get knot to 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:19.720 the floor. So I asked me how I would guard 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:23.000 those guys? Would be difficult for me if I'm looking 0:03:23.040 --> 0:03:26.760 at today's rules, if you were, if Durant was playing 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:30.840 by nineteen ninety five rules against you, I mean it, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:33.240 it would be a totally different game for him. He 0:03:33.280 --> 0:03:36.280 wouldn't be the same player that he is today. His 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:40.119 ball hamiling would be limited because you could get into 0:03:40.200 --> 0:03:43.880 player's body, but not just Durant. I mean every player. 0:03:43.960 --> 0:03:48.080 I mean, the game had more physicality to it where 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.240 you could pretty much guard a player from ninety four 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:55.080 feet and use your defensive skills to try to take 0:03:55.160 --> 0:03:59.880 him out of the game. And that's not for today's 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:04.280 aim is. Although Lebron could play in nineteen ninety five, 0:04:04.360 --> 0:04:08.400 the physicality probably wouldn't affect him as much. I'm guessing yeah. 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.119 I mean, I'm not saying Cavin Durant couldn't play. I'm 0:04:11.160 --> 0:04:14.160 just saying he would not be that type of score. Now. 0:04:14.400 --> 0:04:17.560 On the other hand, Lebron James doesn't look to be 0:04:17.880 --> 0:04:22.040 a horrific score when he plays the game. He plays 0:04:22.040 --> 0:04:25.920 the game in a whole different mindset. He utilizes his teammates. 0:04:25.960 --> 0:04:29.920 He he looks to be a distributor, more soul than 0:04:29.960 --> 0:04:33.920 a score. But he's a very effective score because of 0:04:33.920 --> 0:04:37.880 his size and his strength. Do you think Lebron would 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:40.280 have made the nets better that they would have gotten 0:04:40.560 --> 0:04:45.799 in They would have they'd still be playing. I can't 0:04:45.839 --> 0:04:50.880 say that by saying yes, but it would have been 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:53.279 a whole different look had Lebron been on the court. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:58.600 He's more of a distributor. Kevin Durant is a score sole. 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:00.560 You're gonna be looking at a guy that's going to 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:03.479 be playing more for triple doubles instead of trying to 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:09.080 score forty or fifty. I'll say that. Help me understand 0:05:09.200 --> 0:05:13.000 the GQ article where you talked about the nineteen ninety 0:05:13.040 --> 0:05:16.760 four playoff game. When you refuse to go back in 0:05:16.800 --> 0:05:18.640 the game and feel set up to play for Tony 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:21.080 ku coach. Oh, I mean, it's not much to be 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.640 said if you go back and look at when Scottie 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:26.400 Pippen entered the Bulls and when Tony Coo coach entered 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:29.920 the Bulls, and who deserved the last shot of the game. No, no, no, 0:05:29.960 --> 0:05:32.360 I understand that, Scottie. I'm just going by what you said. 0:05:32.400 --> 0:05:35.200 You said you need to read between the fine lines, 0:05:35.960 --> 0:05:38.680 and then you go on to say it was a 0:05:38.800 --> 0:05:43.000 racial move to give him Tony cou coach a ride. So, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.680 I mean, if you knew that Scottie Pippen had been 0:05:45.720 --> 0:05:48.320 with the Bulls from eighty seven ballot through the Pistons 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:52.240 and every other team that we had to get to 0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:56.680 those three championships, wouldn't you give Scottie Pippen one opportunity 0:05:56.839 --> 0:05:59.680 to get a last second shot without Michael Jordan like 0:06:00.480 --> 0:06:04.159 one year without my majority, can I get one shot? 0:06:04.680 --> 0:06:07.920 Like I'm doing all the dirty work. But all of 0:06:08.000 --> 0:06:10.599 that I understand from the basketball standpoint. But when you 0:06:10.720 --> 0:06:14.400 say a racial move, well, why would why would Tony 0:06:14.480 --> 0:06:17.120 who was a rookie get the last second shot and 0:06:17.240 --> 0:06:20.679 you put me up a bounce? That's what I mean racial? 0:06:21.279 --> 0:06:26.440 Like that was Scottie Pippens team on pace to be 0:06:26.520 --> 0:06:32.159 an MVP that year? Right? Yeah? Okay? Well why would 0:06:32.240 --> 0:06:35.719 you put him in a position not to be successful? 0:06:35.880 --> 0:06:38.520 Why wouldn't you put him in a position to succeed? 0:06:38.839 --> 0:06:41.160 My col Jordan is not there, So who's next in 0:06:41.400 --> 0:06:46.120 line for you? But if you talked to Phil about this, 0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:50.320 because by saying a racial move, then you're you're calling 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:55.880 Phil a racist. I've got a problem with that. Do 0:06:55.920 --> 0:06:59.760 you think Phil was who is? Oh? Yeah? I mean 0:07:00.000 --> 0:07:02.360 do you remember Phil Jackson left the Lakers, went and 0:07:02.400 --> 0:07:04.760 wrote a book on Kobe Bryant, and then came back 0:07:04.800 --> 0:07:08.839 and coached him. I mean, who would do that? You 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.520 name someone in professional sports that would do that? You know, 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:18.000 I think he tried to expose Kobe in a way 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.440 that he shouldn't have. You're the head coach and you're 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:24.080 the guy that sits in the locker room and tells 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:28.400 the players, this is a circle and everything stays within 0:07:28.440 --> 0:07:32.280 the circle, because that's what team is about. But you, 0:07:32.360 --> 0:07:35.960 as the head coach, open it up and now you 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.520 go out and you try to belittle at that time, 0:07:38.600 --> 0:07:43.000 probably one of the greatest players in the game. Well, 0:07:43.040 --> 0:07:46.200 it feels like he's disloyal. I don't know if that 0:07:46.360 --> 0:07:52.600 makes him a racist. Well that's your way of putting 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:54.760 it out, and I have my way. I was in 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:56.920 the locker room with him, I was in practice sits 0:07:56.960 --> 0:08:00.920 with him. You're looking for him a far Yeah, and look, 0:08:00.960 --> 0:08:02.640 that's why I wanted to have you on. But I 0:08:02.720 --> 0:08:05.440 go back and Phil designed to play for Steve Kurd 0:08:06.280 --> 0:08:09.400 when Mike's there, and Mike. Mike didn't have a problem 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:12.880 with that, did he. I don't want to see You're 0:08:12.960 --> 0:08:15.680 not You're you're not setting me up to answer the 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.600 right question. What do you mean Phil set up a 0:08:18.680 --> 0:08:20.800 play for steak Er. He didn't set that player for Seaker. 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:23.760 He set that player for Michael Jordan. I thought, in 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:26.320 the huddle, Mike says, I'm going to throw you the ball. 0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.600 You'll be opening that the felone that and Phil had 0:08:29.640 --> 0:08:32.079 nothing to do with it, and you don't want to 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:34.280 get this show started because it will take us a 0:08:34.280 --> 0:08:36.920 long time. You know all those cameras that sitting in 0:08:36.960 --> 0:08:41.880 that huddle, who they was working for? And you know 0:08:41.960 --> 0:08:44.199 who Michael was speaking to when he said that, right, 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:49.480 that was that was planning. That was speaking to the 0:08:49.600 --> 0:08:55.360 to the camera. That wasn't speaking out of what we're 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:57.080 going to have to do, what the play is going 0:08:57.120 --> 0:09:00.800 to be. That was speaking to the camera. Had John 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:06.640 had John stocked and not came down, trust me. But 0:09:07.040 --> 0:09:12.199 that was building his own documentary because he knew he 0:09:12.240 --> 0:09:18.800 was controlling the cameras. You understand English. Yeah, okay, So 0:09:19.200 --> 0:09:24.120 all those cameras that was working, we're working basically for 0:09:24.280 --> 0:09:30.160 Michael Jordan's not for this Google bulls. But they were 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:34.840 building the come fly with me the Air Jordan videos. 0:09:35.000 --> 0:09:40.720 That's what it was. It that was not naturally spoken. Okay, 0:09:41.559 --> 0:09:46.040 that was rehearsed. Uh. Did you guys understand that he 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:51.160 was doing a documentary that last year? We understood it 0:09:51.200 --> 0:09:55.599 from Phil Jackson that the NBA wanted to do some 0:09:55.760 --> 0:10:01.920 behind the same footage or the team documentary. That's what 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:05.440 we was understood. That's what we were sold, but that 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:17.920 wasn't high at all. And uh, you just you phased 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:21.880 out a little bit there with your connection. So uh yeah, yeah, 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:25.000 I wasn't pausing. Yeah, I wasn't pausing because I didn't 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:27.480 understand what you were saying. Just wanted to let you know. 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.960 But you feel like like there's anger with you or 0:10:31.679 --> 0:10:33.800 clarification or so, I don't know, I'm trying to get 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:38.640 a field fare. I think it's more clarification. Uh, because 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:42.640 you had a great career. I'm not angry angry at all. Yes, 0:10:42.800 --> 0:10:48.480 I had a great career, wonderful time in Chicago, and 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.040 h it is what it is. But I think there 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:55.719 needs to be some clarification, you know about a lot 0:10:55.760 --> 0:10:58.760 of things that happened, whether it was in a documentary 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:03.840 or through the GQ add that I spoke on. Yeah, 0:11:02.640 --> 0:11:06.320 I didn't know, you know how you were portrayed in 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:09.400 in the documentary and obviously it was slanted, But I 0:11:09.559 --> 0:11:12.360 just if everybody knew you signed a bad contract, did 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.720 it need to be brought up that you signed a 0:11:14.720 --> 0:11:16.280 bad content Like, I don't know, it felt like it 0:11:16.360 --> 0:11:20.040 was planning. I think my biggest thing with the documentary 0:11:20.320 --> 0:11:26.320 was that Michael who didn't play in ninety four, who 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.000 was selling a video based on the Last Dance, was 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:33.120 something that he sort of tried to pull out to 0:11:35.200 --> 0:11:41.720 show that our winning was all about me and this 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:49.959 is what everybody else did when I wasn't around, because 0:11:50.000 --> 0:11:52.360 he didn't hate that in this documentary. I mean, he 0:11:52.440 --> 0:11:56.080 wasn't on a team. Yeah, you know. And if anything, 0:11:56.240 --> 0:12:00.440 if you're gonna show that you call feel, why don't 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.120 you show that you'd call Field to bat for me? 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:09.160 I mean, I'm probably was the only man standing who 0:12:09.160 --> 0:12:12.120 had been there with him back in the early eighties, 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:21.800 But yet he comes back the next year because it 0:12:21.880 --> 0:12:28.560 was getting good. We weren't fading away. Have you talked 0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:34.880 to Michael since the documentary? No? Do you want? Not 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.720 really talked. We kind of talked during it a little bit, 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.480 but not no do you want to? No? I mean, 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:44.920 I think we both moved on in our life. There's 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:49.240 nothing to be holding on to that went on twenty 0:12:49.240 --> 0:12:54.520 plus years ago. What did you think? There's nothing for 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:56.320 us to talk about that. I mean, we could talk 0:12:56.320 --> 0:12:59.200 about our life and our families and our golf game 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:02.800 or something, but we got to go back and crafty. 0:13:02.960 --> 0:13:06.440 Nothing to happen in it nineties. What did you think 0:13:06.440 --> 0:13:12.079 when he said he was going to go play baseball? Um, 0:13:12.200 --> 0:13:15.200 I didn't really think about it. I was really focused 0:13:15.200 --> 0:13:18.160 on my own craft at that time. But I thought 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:21.320 it was a big decision though. Yeah it was. It 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:23.760 was a big decision, but it was a it was 0:13:23.800 --> 0:13:27.920 a selfish decision, but it was kind of who Michael 0:13:28.000 --> 0:13:32.120 Jordan was, and that's was a guy that kind of 0:13:32.280 --> 0:13:37.040 believed that he can do anything on his own. The 0:13:37.120 --> 0:13:41.080 relationship was just a we're teammates and that was about it. 0:13:42.120 --> 0:13:46.000 I mean, yeah, pretty much. I mean we were excellent teammates. 0:13:46.080 --> 0:13:48.319 I mean, I think we try to make more out 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.160 of it sometime and what it really was, but you know, 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:55.079 we were great court teammates who had a very good 0:13:55.200 --> 0:13:58.720 understanding of each other and what it took to win. 0:14:00.120 --> 0:14:02.520 Talking to Scottie Pippen, he has a new bourbon out 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:06.360 Digits that's been in the works for a while. How 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.880 did you come up with this idea? I see, Um, 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.800 you know, I've been a little boozing for quite a while. 0:14:13.160 --> 0:14:15.679 I think winning here in Chicago and spend a lot 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.080 of cold winners here, so I used to be up 0:14:18.760 --> 0:14:22.680 a bit of a Crown raw drinker and during the 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:27.480 pandemic when in my business partner just kind of sitting 0:14:27.520 --> 0:14:30.000 around talking and he said, hey, you should create jo 0:14:30.040 --> 0:14:34.240 own bourbon. And he said, I got an ideal. And 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.800 he had been in the wine business for quite sometimes, 0:14:37.920 --> 0:14:41.720 so he had a a little bit of confidence that 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.720 he could, I guess, get through the doors and into 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:53.520 Savage and Cook, which is Dave Phinney's a company. What's next, Well, 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.760 there's a few things I got my husband pop one 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:59.360 which is so super food and um, it's something that 0:14:59.400 --> 0:15:01.760 we're looking for to launching here in the next couple 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.640 of weeks. What's in this book that's coming out in 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:13.040 the fall, Just pretty much har about my career, you know, 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:16.240 starting up growing up in a small town Hamburg, Arkanasas 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:21.600 and you know, dancing on to centrag and just kind 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:26.000 of um, you know, my life and what channels and 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.120 all that I went through trying to get into the 0:15:28.240 --> 0:15:30.920 NBA and you know what it was like playing with 0:15:31.160 --> 0:15:36.240 Michael Field and playing for the Bulls organization. I kind 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:38.440 of believe there's gonna be something in here that's gonna 0:15:38.440 --> 0:15:41.360 get you in trouble, Scotty and like, right, there's got 0:15:41.360 --> 0:15:44.640 to be something that's coming out in this book, right Dan, 0:15:44.760 --> 0:15:49.280 I don't I don't get I don't get in trouble. Trouble. 0:15:49.600 --> 0:15:54.400 Trouble may find you, Scotty, I don't know. It's yeah, 0:15:54.440 --> 0:15:57.040 every time I opened my mouth, somehow it seems to 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.800 try to drive me down a trouble path. But I'm 0:16:00.000 --> 0:16:05.760 really not trying to mislead anybody. Or did you Did 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:11.080 you ever play Jordan one on one in practice? Um? No, 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:16.000 how would that have gone? It would have been interesting. 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:20.240 He had his moments where he was out of high 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.200 and I had my moments in my career without I 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:26.920 was at a high, so it would have been an 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:31.400 interesting match up. But in my era I never really 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:34.480 believed him one on one. And that's kind of where 0:16:34.520 --> 0:16:39.560 the game has evolved in two today. By the way, 0:16:39.680 --> 0:16:42.840 on that draft night when you and older than Polines 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:47.240 were traded for one another, yes, I'm I'm sitting right 0:16:47.280 --> 0:16:49.960 there and you guys had hats on, so you have 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:53.720 your Seattle SuperSonics hat on, and then all of a sudden, 0:16:53.760 --> 0:16:57.440 you here h and a trade to announce the Bulls 0:16:57.600 --> 0:17:00.840 and SuperSonics are swapping for Trump picks. So you and 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:04.240 older and Polonies changed hats right there in front of us. 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:07.240 I mean, it was it was. It was wild to 0:17:07.359 --> 0:17:09.280 see that. You ever wonder what your career would have 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:14.000 been like if you weren't traded. I mean, I would 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.400 have had some pretty good teammates, especially if we would 0:17:16.400 --> 0:17:20.199 have still land at Sewan Kemp Gary Payton. You know, 0:17:20.240 --> 0:17:22.119 it was a team that we played in the final, 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:26.440 so that's sort of fit. That would have been a 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:29.240 pretty good team to join. That would have been fun 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:32.160 to go against Mike with that Seattle team. I would 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:35.400 have been a lot of fun. Uh yeah, I don't 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:40.400 know if he would have made it that far, if 0:17:40.400 --> 0:17:47.639 you know what I mean. Well, see there you go. 0:17:47.720 --> 0:17:54.280 You're stirring it up again. I'm just saying Mike needed you. 0:17:54.600 --> 0:18:02.160 It didn't win without you, right, that's what they tell me. Well, 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:05.440 good luck with the bourbon it's called digits, and uh 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:09.720 the popcorn snack called husk, and then the book. I'll 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:11.680 probably be talking to you in the fall, because I'm 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:16.960 sure there's something in this book unguarded Scottie. But thank you, hey, 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:19.240 thanks for joining us, and I appreciate giving me the 0:18:19.600 --> 0:18:22.119 opportunity to ask you to put this in context, and 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:25.360 you're certainly not afraid. That's that's for sure. But thank 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:29.159 you Scottie. All right, thank you guys. That's uh Scottie Pippen. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:35.080 Let's take a break. We'll break that now, all right. 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And I've known Scottie. 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.240 I was there for their championship runs, but I didn't 0:19:50.240 --> 0:19:53.720 really know him because at the time it was Phil 0:19:54.119 --> 0:19:58.400 and it was Dennis Rodman and of course Michael and Scotty. 0:19:58.960 --> 0:20:02.080 You might have him on occasionally after a game on 0:20:02.160 --> 0:20:06.080 Sports Center, but maybe once or twice through the six 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.000 years when they won titles. And I worked with him 0:20:11.040 --> 0:20:15.080 as well on ABC when we did NBA coverage with 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:17.680 Mark Jackson, but I didn't Once again, I didn't really 0:20:17.720 --> 0:20:21.960 know Scottie. And when he had these comments, I thought, Okay, 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:24.239 there are a couple of things that stood out. If 0:20:24.240 --> 0:20:27.320 he wants to be critical of Kevin Durant and Kevin 0:20:27.400 --> 0:20:32.920 Durant's style, would Lebron make them better? Different? Kevin Durant's 0:20:32.960 --> 0:20:36.199 not a team player. Okay, that's just his opinion. I 0:20:36.200 --> 0:20:39.720 mean he's earned that right one of the great players 0:20:39.720 --> 0:20:41.720 of all time. If he wants to be critical, you 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:43.600 bring in Lebron James, and then it's going to be 0:20:43.640 --> 0:20:45.879 a bigger story than what it really is. To me, 0:20:46.680 --> 0:20:50.320 it just stood out what happened in nineteen ninety four 0:20:50.960 --> 0:20:53.040 with one point eight seconds to go in a playoff 0:20:53.080 --> 0:20:57.360 game with the Knicks, and I can I understand from 0:20:57.400 --> 0:21:01.840 a basketball perspective, you're the our player. Michael Jordan's not there. 0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.679 It's my moment here. I got the opportunity to be 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:11.440 the go to guy. And then Phil Jackson gave Tony 0:21:11.520 --> 0:21:14.320 kucoach the opportunity to hit the game winning shot, which 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.040 by the way, he did, and he said it was 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:21.240 a racial move to give him a rise. I just 0:21:21.440 --> 0:21:23.840 I wanted to have him on just to see if 0:21:23.880 --> 0:21:29.080 he wanted to clarify. He doubled down on that and 0:21:30.000 --> 0:21:34.080 there was no hesitation, And you know, I didn't know 0:21:34.119 --> 0:21:36.400 that had gotten to that point with he and Phil Jackson, 0:21:36.480 --> 0:21:41.199 that he's sent, you know, sighting when Phil left the 0:21:41.280 --> 0:21:43.720 Lakers then wrote a book and then had things to 0:21:43.720 --> 0:21:46.320 say about Kobe sold him out and then went back, 0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:49.159 and you know, I just thought he was disloyal, you know, 0:21:49.320 --> 0:21:52.520 but to say it was a racial move, that you're 0:21:52.520 --> 0:21:56.400 going to get the white guy the ball. And in 0:21:56.440 --> 0:22:00.240 that moment, it felt like Scotty was confusing that too, 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:03.080 that hey, this is my moment, but you're not giving 0:22:03.119 --> 0:22:06.440 me that moment. But Tony ku coach, the white guy 0:22:06.480 --> 0:22:10.480 gets to take the shot. That's where I thought, Okay, 0:22:10.480 --> 0:22:12.840 see know what he's talking about? And does he know 0:22:13.080 --> 0:22:16.520 he's calling Phil Jackson a racist? And he didn't back 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.840 off at all. The fact that Phil didn't design the 0:22:20.920 --> 0:22:23.720 play that Steve Kerr hit the game winning shot against 0:22:23.840 --> 0:22:26.720 Utah in the NBA Finals, that was Michael playing to 0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:29.760 the cameras to make it seem like he was the 0:22:29.800 --> 0:22:36.040 one who was designing that play. You know. The Jordan 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:41.000 wanting to play baseball a selfish move by him. He said, 0:22:41.000 --> 0:22:48.320 that's who Michael Jordan was. And the fact that they 0:22:48.400 --> 0:22:50.720 knew there was a documentary going on in that last 0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:55.800 season and Jordan playing to the camera. You know, as 0:22:55.840 --> 0:22:58.960 much as Scottie says, you know, I moved on, he hasn't. 0:22:59.400 --> 0:23:02.760 There's an awful lot there to unpack, you see. It's 0:23:02.840 --> 0:23:06.639 fairly incredible foresight though by Michael Jordan to play to 0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.200 the camera in that moment and then wait twenty years 0:23:09.240 --> 0:23:13.760 to reveal it. Well, I think Michael didn't know he 0:23:13.840 --> 0:23:18.000 had the rights to the documentary or did he know, PAULI. Yeah, 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:21.080 Michael Jordan agreed with NBA Films to do a documentary 0:23:21.119 --> 0:23:24.480 that season, but he had total power control of when 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:26.439 it's going to be released and held it for decades 0:23:26.520 --> 0:23:32.000 until the thirty for thirty crew got him to do it. Yeah. 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:36.000 You know the criticism of Kevin Durant, you know, it's like, okay, 0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:41.680 so what, but you know, to be there in that 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:44.199 moment when he got traded on Draft night, it's just 0:23:44.320 --> 0:23:47.879 wild because we're thinking nobody knew much about Scottie Pippen. 0:23:48.880 --> 0:23:52.800 I knew more about Olden Polonies from college, and then 0:23:52.840 --> 0:23:56.640 there they are there, we're interviewing them, and then they 0:23:56.720 --> 0:24:00.639 swapped hats. They gave them, you know, those star hats 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.480 or whatever it is. It's a Seattle SuperSonics. And then 0:24:03.600 --> 0:24:05.800 Scotti he's got that hat on and old In Polonies 0:24:05.880 --> 0:24:08.080 had a bull's hat on, and then they switched him. 0:24:08.440 --> 0:24:12.680 And I remember being there going, wow, that's odd. Now. 0:24:12.720 --> 0:24:14.600 I don't know at the time that one of these 0:24:14.600 --> 0:24:16.680 guys is going to be one of the fifty greatest 0:24:16.680 --> 0:24:18.920 players of the old time. If you would have said, 0:24:18.960 --> 0:24:20.720 who's it going to be, I said, well, probably older 0:24:20.760 --> 0:24:24.600 in polonies. I don't know about that much about Scottie Pippen. Yeah, Poling. 0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.960 The last thing you asked Scottie fifteen minutes ago, you said, hey, 0:24:28.040 --> 0:24:30.520 you that was a pretty talented Sonics team. You could 0:24:30.520 --> 0:24:33.399 have faced Michael Jordan in the finals. And Scotty said, quote, 0:24:33.480 --> 0:24:34.959 I don't know if he would have made it that far. 0:24:35.359 --> 0:24:37.639 And he did eyebrows towards you, and they said, you 0:24:37.720 --> 0:24:45.840 know what I mean, man oh man, ah, Well, the 0:24:45.960 --> 0:24:49.800 City of Chicago Sports Radio, You're welcome there. You go 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:55.919 enjoy Sylvie and Waddle, enjoy go chop that up. Yeah, MC, 0:24:56.400 --> 0:24:59.440 I don't forget la with that. Kobe Phil Jackson too, 0:25:00.000 --> 0:25:06.480 he wants to jump in. Yeah, Scotty provided several cities. Yeah, 0:25:06.680 --> 0:25:09.680 he's got a lot to say. That's one of those 0:25:09.720 --> 0:25:11.840 if you if you got a chance to sit down, 0:25:13.119 --> 0:25:18.200 and he might not know everything he's saying, but it 0:25:18.200 --> 0:25:24.359