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Speaker 1: I've chosen our episode on the very First road Trip

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Speaker 1: was from twenty twenty three. The first road Trip took

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Speaker 1: I'm glad to present you with this one. Enjoy.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 1: Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh and there's

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Speaker 1: Chuck in. It's just the two of us, but we're

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Speaker 1: gonna make it just fine. We're gonna make it if

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Speaker 1: you try. As a like to say, sometimes when it's

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Speaker 2: Should I'm excited about this episode because this is a really,

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Speaker 1: I would go so far as to call it a

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Speaker 3: It's a hum dinger.

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Speaker 2: And we got to give a huge credit to Ed

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Speaker 2: documentary about this topic, which is the first cross country

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Speaker 2: automobile road trip. It's called Horatios Drive. It's wonderful story

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Speaker 2: and you can find it on PBS. Hopefully if you're

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Speaker 2: app because it's a very worthwhile and great channel to

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Speaker 2: subscribe to. Narrated by the great Keith David, one of

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Speaker 1: Just amazing and such a great actor too, great everything

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Speaker 2: And because our protagonist in this story, who will introduce

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Speaker 1: We should also give a hat tip to Dayton Duncan,

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Speaker 1: Let's call it that the book on Horatio Nelson Jackson, Right.

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Speaker 2: Right, So nineteen oh three, nine to one one was

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Speaker 1: So well, we should make a TikTok of all this then, okay,

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Speaker 3: Sure for now US government? So it was wonderful, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: He's twenty two years old. I think we was. Horatio

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Speaker 1: So he asked Crocker, hey man, what car should we

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Speaker 1: There was no windshield, there was no roof, there was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my friend, were equals in almost every way, but

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Speaker 1: So yeah, the problem is is like they weren't experts

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00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: at tying down their gear, and they would get to

443
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: like a stop probably basically every day and find that

444
00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,360
Speaker 1: something they needed had dropped.

445
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: Off and bounced out at some point.

446
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,280
Speaker 1: Like back on their trail, and that they had gone

447
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 1: too far to go back to try to find it.

448
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: It's really they lost like cooking utensils. Horatio lost multiple

449
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:47,000
Speaker 1: pairs of his eyeglasses. It's just crazy to me that

450
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 1: they weren't like put a tarp on it and wrap

451
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,280
Speaker 1: the tarp up and then put rope on the tarp.

452
00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 3: You know who knows.

453
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:55,919
Speaker 1: But they did lose a lot of stuff, and luckily,

454
00:23:55,960 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: like you said, they didn't lose that block and tackle.

455
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,600
Speaker 1: It would really come into play multiple times. But they

456
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 1: made a really good decision early on number one. They

457
00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:11,119
Speaker 1: followed I can't remember it for some mister won Alexander

458
00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: Winton's example and started out west. So what they would

459
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: be doing is getting the hardest part of the trip

460
00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:21,160
Speaker 1: out of the way first. While the car had very

461
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: few miles on it, right.

462
00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, which was a nice little copy.

463
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,760
Speaker 2: But then they made a really really great decision, and

464
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Speaker 2: I think the decision that frankly made them a success

465
00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:35,880
Speaker 2: in the end. Did I just spoil it? I guess

466
00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:37,600
Speaker 2: we talked about what a great story was. It wouldn't

467
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 2: be great if they conked out in Michigan.

468
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:39,800
Speaker 3: True.

469
00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 2: True, But they decided to go at hundreds of miles

470
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: to their trip by not just taking a right and

471
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 2: going across the country, but going north up through Oregon

472
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:57,000
Speaker 2: to avoid that Nevada desert, and that, my friend, even

473
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:59,879
Speaker 2: though there was some treacherous mountains that they had to

474
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Speaker 2: go through, avoiding that desert I think is what ultimately

475
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:04,919
Speaker 2: made them successful.

476
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, hundreds of miles added to the trip,

477
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,240
Speaker 1: But it was incredibly smart because again Winton had bottomed

478
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,120
Speaker 1: out in that sand. That sand wasn't going anywhere at

479
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: the very least. There were wagon trails and stuff up

480
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: in Oregon, and they were able to kind of make

481
00:25:22,359 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 1: their way along these the railroad tracks that were there.

482
00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: So there were railroad right of ways, which is the

483
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: land cleared on either side of a railroad track, and

484
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,560
Speaker 1: they would drive on those or if they had to

485
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: drive on the railway themselves, and they would they would

486
00:25:38,400 --> 00:25:41,880
Speaker 1: ride on railroad bridges in a car that could go

487
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:46,159
Speaker 1: thirty miles per hour max. Yeah, and hoped God that

488
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 1: there wasn't a train that was going to come. And

489
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,400
Speaker 1: I was like, man, I'm so glad I watched stand

490
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: By Me a couple of days ago.

491
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,800
Speaker 3: Chris about to bring that up. You watched it.

492
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:56,280
Speaker 1: It's such a great part of that movie. And I

493
00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: was telling you, like, that was a masterpiece. Is Rob

494
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: b Reiner's masterpiece, And he's made some pretty great movies,

495
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: but it is exponentially better than I even remembered as

496
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:07,960
Speaker 1: a kid.

497
00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 2: I'll throw a spinal tap in there. But I know,

498
00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: have you still not seen that?

499
00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:12,880
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. No, it's great.

500
00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 1: That's a great movie. I think when Harry met Sally's

501
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: a great movie. Like there's tons of great movies Rob

502
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: Briiner's made, but I think stand By Me might be

503
00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 1: the best.

504
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great movie.

505
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 2: I love that scene when they put their hands on

506
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: the rail, Yeah, and it just gets real quiet and

507
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: they're listening. They're like, do you feel any vibration at all?

508
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:32,440
Speaker 2: And that's probably what these guys were doing.

509
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,359
Speaker 1: I'm sure, but they were doing it bumping along in

510
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: their open car. Yeah, also shout out. I don't know

511
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 1: Phil Wheaton still listens to us. I know he used to,

512
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: but man, all of those kids.

513
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 3: Did a great, great job.

514
00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 1: But he really did a magnificent job acting in that movie.

515
00:26:49,560 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: So way to go Wheaton, totally listening.

516
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 3: Great movie. I love it.

517
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 2: I'm gonna watch it too now. Talking about it in Vegas,

518
00:26:55,640 --> 00:26:57,200
Speaker 2: it made me nostalgic for it for sure.

519
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 3: All right.

520
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 2: All right, so we are at leave time, which was

521
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 2: May twenty third, nineteen oh three.

522
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: It was a Saturday.

523
00:27:06,119 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 2: Apparently it was a hot spring in California, and it

524
00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: rained that afternoon and they took off from San Francisco

525
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: and very quickly blew a tire out.

526
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 1: It was like Romeo Michelle.

527
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:24,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. And the chronicle in San Francisco wasn't even

528
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: covering it. Basically, the San Francisco Examiner had a very

529
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 2: short little piece about it, about a horseless carriage going

530
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 2: from sea to sea. But it would build, as you

531
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 2: will see, with the press as things went along. But

532
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 2: it wasn't well covered at first, and the tire thing,

533
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,719
Speaker 2: it was an issue I mean the car tires at

534
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 2: the time would routinely blow out. They had a hard

535
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 2: time on the trip finding new tubes. They would stock

536
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 2: up on used tubes whenever they went to a town

537
00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 2: it seemed like that had any kind of tubes, they

538
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: would just buy them, right and Yeah, and it was

539
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 2: a tires were an issue that woud seemed like one

540
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 2: of the main issues.

541
00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure.

542
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean you can imagine there's not people

543
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: selling car tires because there were so few cars, and

544
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: out west they kept encountering people who had never seen

545
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: a car.

546
00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 3: Yeah.

547
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: I saw mention of that Packard team that was riding.

548
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 1: I think Tom Fetch was the Packard guy who was

549
00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:26,280
Speaker 1: driving the car, and they pulled into one town that

550
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,240
Speaker 1: where a murder had just been committed and so few

551
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 1: people had seen a car in that town that everybody

552
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: left the fresh murder scene, including the sheriff, to come

553
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 1: look at the car that had just rolled into town.

554
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: Like that was like what it was like out west

555
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 1: at the time. So of course you weren't gonna find

556
00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: car tires easily. You had to improvise any way you could.

557
00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,400
Speaker 2: Sure, and a murdered body out there back then was

558
00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,280
Speaker 2: a dime, a dozen, dime a dozen. Ye's not going anywhere,

559
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: that's right, it's gonna check out that new car.

560
00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:53,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not going anywhere.

561
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 2: So they're going east. They're going through some treacherous terrain,

562
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 2: go to the Cascade Mountains. It's fun in the documentary

563
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,000
Speaker 2: to hear the diary or letters home to his wife

564
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:09,959
Speaker 2: where he was talking about, you know, the roads that

565
00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: are basically big enough for one car because I can't

566
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 2: remember exactly I said it, but like because nature has

567
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 2: made it that way, basically like it's a cliff side

568
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: on the side of a mountain. So luckily, you know,

569
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 2: they're having to share the road with stage coaches and

570
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: horses and stuff like that, not really any other cars probably,

571
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 2: but they would it was what you would think. They

572
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 2: were constantly getting stuck, constantly blowing tires. They I think

573
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 2: the record was eighteen times in a day they had

574
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 2: to use that block and tackle to pull themselves out

575
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 2: of a ditch or a river or a mud hole.

576
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 3: That must have been the suckiest day ever. Yeah, and

577
00:29:47,600 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 3: then the maps were an issue too, right.

578
00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, they would have to rely on locals for directions.

579
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 1: Some when they could find locals a lot of times

580
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: they just had to guess I saw again the Packard team.

581
00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: Sorry to keep bringing them up. I know or not

582
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,080
Speaker 1: what the story's about, but they learned to avoid the

583
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 1: nicest roads because out west that usually meant that it

584
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: just dead ended in some rich person's house, and when

585
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: you could find locals, they would sometimes just literally misguide you.

586
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: There was one that Horatio and Sewell ran across a

587
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 1: woman on horseback who told them to get to the

588
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 1: next time they should go down this road, and it

589
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,360
Speaker 1: dead ended in her family's farm.

590
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 3: It was her driveway.

591
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: Basically, they came back the way they went and ran

592
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: across her again. They're like, why did you do that?

593
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, my dad and mom and husband

594
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: would have wanted to see a car. They've never seen

595
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: a car before, so she purposefully sent them the wrong

596
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 1: way down a dead end, miles down a dead end

597
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:44,640
Speaker 1: apparently too. And I did not hear that they had

598
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: gotten angry with her or cross even. I think they

599
00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 1: probably just said like, good day to you, madam and

600
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: kept on.

601
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 2: They should have said, you don't know this yet, but

602
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 2: one day giving directions will be very important, and this

603
00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 2: will not be cool.

604
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: This is not going to reflect good on your family. Manson,

605
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: you like.

606
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: That, Tina. I just loved Tina. It was so not

607
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 2: a name back then, Tina Manson, I love it.

608
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 3: Great choice.

609
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: The breaks were kind of what you would imagine. They

610
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 2: weren't great, So it was quite thrilling when they would

611
00:31:19,720 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 2: get on these downhill runs and there wasn't a lot

612
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: you could do about it. The clutch went out a lot.

613
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, we talked about our various van

614
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 2: journeys out west. We were in a Volkswagen Van for

615
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,560
Speaker 2: mine and the mountains killed it. Like we had to

616
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: to get a rental jeep Cherokee in Nevada for the

617
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: whole second half of the trip because going through the

618
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 2: mountains literally killed his. And it wasn't like a brand

619
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: new VW van. It wasn't one of the old ones,

620
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 2: but it was like the Vanigan. But like it drove

621
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:55,000
Speaker 2: us from Atlanta to the mountains just fine, and the

622
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 2: mountains killed it. So imagine what the mountains did to

623
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: the clutch system on this lawnmower.

624
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, I have to admit, until today I did

625
00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: not know what a clutch did. I knew that the

626
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: clutch was the thing you push into shift gears. Never

627
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: understood why the reason why you push in is because

628
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 1: you actually want to stop the clutch from working temporarily.

629
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:17,720
Speaker 3: Yeah.

630
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,560
Speaker 1: What the clutch does is it transmits the motor power

631
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 1: or the motor's torque to the transmission, which in turn

632
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: turns the axle to the tires the wheels. Right, that's

633
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 1: my understanding of it. And when you're pressing in the clutch,

634
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:37,000
Speaker 1: what you're really doing is keeping that transfer from taking

635
00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: place so that you can go into another gear and

636
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: then you let the clutch out and that transfer begins again. So, yes,

637
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: the clutch is an extremely important instrument. The car does

638
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: not go without it. And apparently Suel Crocker had to

639
00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: fix that thing almost as many times as they used

640
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,280
Speaker 1: the block and tackle to pull themselves out of mud.

641
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,240
Speaker 2: Well he was worth his weight, oh boy, yeah he was.

642
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 2: He did have one modification they made on the way there,

643
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 2: as they added a headlamp and a ceedlean headlamp so

644
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 2: they could drive at night because they want to make

645
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 2: up time, you know, because there were times when they

646
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 2: had to go to a town and wait for I

647
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 2: think one of them was like three or four days

648
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,720
Speaker 2: where they're waiting ironically for a stage coach to show

649
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 2: up with parts that they had ordered. There were times

650
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 2: when a stage coach or a guy on a horse

651
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: would pull them out ironically.

652
00:33:29,360 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: Again.

653
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I didn't get the impression that Horatio was

654
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: trying to prove that horses were obsolete.

655
00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 3: No, I don't think so at all.

656
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 1: I think he still saw it as pretty ironic that

657
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: he still relied on horses in this horseless carriage.

658
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

659
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 2: I don't think he threw shade even when blacksmiths would

660
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 2: make repairs. They pointed out in the documentary that I

661
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: think it was in one of his letters he said

662
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: it like the irony wasn't lost on him. But I

663
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 2: don't think he was like, you're not going to have

664
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:57,120
Speaker 2: a job in a few years, sucker.

665
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 1: Right right, that's what segue makers said to people on foot.

666
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 3: Didn't the adventure of this segue drive off a cliff

667
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 3: on a segway.

668
00:34:06,520 --> 00:34:09,680
Speaker 1: Oh that sounds like an urban legend, but maybe one

669
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,720
Speaker 1: that's just crazy enough to be true.

670
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,719
Speaker 3: I'll have to look that up. Should we take a break, Yes, well,

671
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 3: we'll take a break and look that up. All right,

672
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,319
Speaker 3: we'll be back here with the truth, right, after this.

673
00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: Okay, we're back and chuck it's true bbc D He

674
00:34:48,200 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 1: really says it.

675
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

676
00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Wow, Jimmy Hezelden was sixty two when he rode off

677
00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: a cliff on his company's segues.

678
00:34:56,640 --> 00:35:00,959
Speaker 3: They killed him obviously, Yes, in West Yorkshire. That's sad.

679
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:05,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, making it My god, that's quite a legend.

680
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 3: It is.

681
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: It's like Fabio getting hit in the face with a

682
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: duck on a roller coaster.

683
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,239
Speaker 3: What no, you know that.

684
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 2: No, Fabio on a roller coaster. A duck flew across

685
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,399
Speaker 2: his path and hit him in the face.

686
00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 3: And killed him. No, no, no, oh okay.

687
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 2: But it's uh, it's one of these pictures on the

688
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: Internet where you're like, oh, that's got to be fake,

689
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 2: and it's and it really happened, poor Fabio. I know,

690
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 2: I feel bad for the guy, but it was also like,

691
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: of all the people to get for this to happen

692
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: to it was just it was pretty rich.

693
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can imagine, what way is he a jerk?

694
00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:45,360
Speaker 3: No? No, no, is he?

695
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: Okay, but he's Fabio And like you know, that kind

696
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 2: of stuff doesn't happen to Fabio.

697
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: It's not happened to me for sure, and me too,

698
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 3: totally with you on that. Did you look up that picture?

699
00:35:55,600 --> 00:35:59,280
Speaker 1: I'm watching the video right now. I can't not chuck.

700
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 1: We will have an episode someday where we just tell

701
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,279
Speaker 1: each other internet memes and the other one will look

702
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: it up and then react on Mike, and that's how

703
00:36:09,120 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 1: we'll do it.

704
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 2: All Ye, stuff you shouldn't couldn't care less about will

705
00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:13,439
Speaker 2: be the name of that new.

706
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:16,600
Speaker 3: Stuff you really probably shouldn't bother listening to. All right,

707
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 3: so let's pick up with the trip.

708
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: It sounds like we're painting an ed I'm glad he

709
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: pointed this out. It sounds like we're painting a picture

710
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 2: of an awful time. Because of all of the delays

711
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: and all of the things that happened. They knew what

712
00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: they were in for with this. They didn't think it

713
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: was going to be a pleasure cruise. It was also

714
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: a great fun adventure. Like these guys are having a

715
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 2: great time. They were seeing things that few people had

716
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: ever even seen in person before, even by horse at times.

717
00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 2: And they had no schedule. I mean, they were trying

718
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 2: to beat this ninety day thing. But like I get

719
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 2: the feeling he really just wanted to finish the trip,

720
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 2: so you know he had money. They were staying in hotels,

721
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: they were staying with people along the way who opened

722
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 2: their homes to them.

723
00:36:58,320 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 3: They were driving about two.

724
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: Hours at a time time, and it seemed like they

725
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: were having fun at the same time.

726
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,520
Speaker 1: I have that same impression too, for sure. And plus,

727
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 1: don't forget Sewell Crocker was making some pretty good money too.

728
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, I didn't find that. What was he getting paid.

729
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:14,800
Speaker 3: I didn't see either.

730
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 1: But we can go ahead and say at the end

731
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: they tallied up how much Horatio Jackson spent on the trip,

732
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: and this included Crocker's pay.

733
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: It was about eight.

734
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: Grand back in nineteen oh three, which is a two

735
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 1: hundred and sixty seven grand today.

736
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 3: So much funny. So if you think about it.

737
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:39,040
Speaker 1: Hotels, food, supplies, gas, car parts, repairs, that still leaves

738
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,480
Speaker 1: a pretty decent amount for Sewell Crocker, and I hope

739
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: he got a big chunk of that.

740
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 3: I hope so too, Chuck.

741
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: I cannot, for the love of life find the stupid

742
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: picture of Fabio getting hit in the face. I found

743
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: some ABC report and it just shows him going into

744
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,920
Speaker 1: the roller coaster station after the ride, just faces all

745
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 1: bloody and he looks really upset, but nothing about the

746
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: actual hit.

747
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:06,440
Speaker 2: You know, I wonder if what I saw was a

748
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 2: faked recreation of that, and there is only a before

749
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 2: and after.

750
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 1: That would make sense that it looked photoshopped, then I'm sorry.

751
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:16,400
Speaker 3: I just had to had to circle back.

752
00:38:16,239 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: On that because my disappointment was palpable.

753
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:21,719
Speaker 2: Oh boy, So they're making their way out west or

754
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: i'm sorry, back east. And it's funny they say, back east,

755
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: out west, up north, down south.

756
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,760
Speaker 3: So they're back. They're heading back east.

757
00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 2: Uh. And they come to Idaho. M When I mentioned

758
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 2: a third party in that photograph, we were holding out

759
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 2: for this big surprise and Caldwell, Idaho. They left without

760
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,400
Speaker 2: Jackson's code, turned back to go get it, and this

761
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 2: guy said, here, I have this pit bull named Bud

762
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: and he wants to go with you and be your mascot.

763
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 2: And they said, hop a board, Bud, And all of

764
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:00,239
Speaker 2: a sudden, they have this beautiful white pit bull in

765
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:01,319
Speaker 2: between the two of them.

766
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's routinely described as a bulldog, but he's pretty

767
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:06,040
Speaker 1: clearly a pit bull.

768
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: For he's a pity and he's beautiful, and like, if

769
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 2: this story couldn't get any better, now you have a

770
00:39:12,160 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 2: pit bull in between you.

771
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 3: And they made him.

772
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 2: Doggles to protect his little eyes, and there's a wonderful

773
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: photo of it in the documentary.

774
00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they were, you know, like you said, they

775
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:25,439
Speaker 1: were getting pressed as they went from town to town,

776
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: and they were like, oh my god, a car. There's

777
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: people actually trying to use it to cross the United

778
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: States in that car. When Bud joined it, people just

779
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,440
Speaker 1: went berserk over this whole thing, in part because he

780
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:41,360
Speaker 1: was wearing these goggles, but also he very quickly learned

781
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: how to ride in the car. He look ahead, he

782
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: loved it to look for ruts or bumps or whatever,

783
00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: and would like brace himself like. He just took to

784
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: it very easily and became like this great mascot. So

785
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: everybody started to really find out about this when Bud joined.

786
00:39:56,840 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: And I don't get the impression that sewel or Horatio

787
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,040
Speaker 1: with least bit jealous.

788
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: No, he paid him fifteen dollars, which is five hundred

789
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 2: dollars today for this dog. And Crocker said, hey, adopt,

790
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:11,440
Speaker 2: don't shop And Jackson said what does that mean, right,

791
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,359
Speaker 2: and he said, no, don't worry about it. That comes later, right.

792
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 2: So they're getting all this press thanks to Bud. They

793
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:24,000
Speaker 2: make their way through sort of that toughest stretch of terrain,

794
00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 2: they're running out of food. They finally sort of cross

795
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 2: out of the mountains and they're like, all right, that

796
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 2: was sort of it, like we think this is not

797
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 2: literally but this is sort of downhill from here. And

798
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 2: he in his letters he was saying, I've never felt

799
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,919
Speaker 2: more confident now that we're gonna make it to New York.

800
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: And this is when they were in like Wyoming.

801
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then once they got to Omaha, it really

802
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: got easier. And then after Omaha Chicago, and then after Chicago,

803
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: probably Cleveland or something like that, maybe an Indianapolis in between,

804
00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: like the city after city just started to pop up,

805
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: and they were getting closer and closer, and there were

806
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:08,240
Speaker 1: much better roads. The railroad rideaways were just beautiful. Sitting

807
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,960
Speaker 1: there for the picking flat. They started to really yeah,

808
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,879
Speaker 1: they started to really make some pretty good time.

809
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think.

810
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 2: How many miles did they top out at the day.

811
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: I feel like it was like seventy something, which is

812
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 2: not too bad.

813
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 3: I don't remember, actually, I think in.

814
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:28,560
Speaker 2: The documentary said seventy seventy something miles in a single day,

815
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:31,760
Speaker 2: like when they were kind of cruising, which that's awesome,

816
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,320
Speaker 2: that's good time for that car.

817
00:41:33,640 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not bad at all, especially considering it maxed

818
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 1: out at thirty miles an hour. Yeah, so that was

819
00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 1: just like a two and a half hour day for them,

820
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: I guess, Yeah, sure so, but that really does go

821
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: to point out like just how slow they were going

822
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: because of things like breaking down and waiting for parts

823
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: and just the roads being terrible. And I mentioned Cleveland too.

824
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,280
Speaker 1: They actually when they showed up in Cleveland, that's where

825
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: the Winting Motor Carriage Company was located. And we didn't

826
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 1: say I don't think that Wynton had by this time

827
00:42:07,200 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: heard about the whole trip and that they were actually

828
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,319
Speaker 1: making pretty good headway.

829
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, so he got he sort of officially offered

830
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:18,640
Speaker 2: to kind of sponsor them from that point on, and

831
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 2: Jackson turned him down. He was like, no, I've got

832
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 2: Packard and Oldsmobile behind me, and I don't want this

833
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 2: to become like a corporate sponsored thing. Like we made

834
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 2: it this far, we can make it the rest of

835
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: the way. And they did go by the factory and

836
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 2: they got some fanfare, and I think they helped him

837
00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,000
Speaker 2: out with fixing this car up and stuff. But they

838
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: got free beer koozies exactly refrigerator magnets, and they were

839
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 2: on their way.

840
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,960
Speaker 1: M Yeah, I'm sure they probably fixed the car up

841
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,759
Speaker 1: a little bit. But Wynton was talking like, we'll have

842
00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:50,359
Speaker 1: gas like every hundred miles for you kind of thing.

843
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:53,399
Speaker 1: We'll send a technician to ride along with you. I'm

844
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,520
Speaker 1: sure the idea of adding a third stranger or a

845
00:42:56,560 --> 00:42:59,680
Speaker 1: stranger to this mix by this time, which is just unthinkable.

846
00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, they turned them down, but they made it

847
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,720
Speaker 1: through Cleveland. They made it all the way to Buffalo.

848
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 1: It wasn't until Buffalo, New York that they had their

849
00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: the worst wreck that they had, where all three of

850
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: them sewell, Horatio and Bud were ejected from the car

851
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:19,160
Speaker 1: because they hit something. Bud Horatio only mentions it as

852
00:43:19,200 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: a hidden obstruction, so I'm not sure if he ever

853
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: knew what it was. But none of them were injured

854
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: and the car was okay, so they just kept on

855
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:27,399
Speaker 1: keeping on.

856
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,880
Speaker 3: So take us home. When did they they pulled into Manhattan,

857
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 3: didn't they? Finally?

858
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 1: On July twenty sixth, at four thirty am, sixty three days,

859
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:39,560
Speaker 1: twelve hours and Thirty minutes after they set out from

860
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,719
Speaker 1: San Francisco, they made it to Manhattan, New York, and

861
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 1: Horatio Nelson Jackson won his bet, which, by the way,

862
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:49,319
Speaker 1: he never collected on.

863
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 3: Oh, I was curious about that. He didn't. Nope, what

864
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 3: a stand up?

865
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, or he's like, I'm never going out west again.

866
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,720
Speaker 1: It's too long of a ride.

867
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 2: And there to greet him where it was a throngs

868
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 2: of press and journalists, people from the wint And car

869
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: company and swipes the old girl herself right there.

870
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's so cool.

871
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: I love that they had like a great relationship, and

872
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: he had a great relationship with Sewell and everybody loved Bud.

873
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: And if you're wondering what happened to Bud, Bud lived

874
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 1: out the rest of his days on the Jackson farm

875
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: in Vermont.

876
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:27,959
Speaker 2: And that's not an euphemism for like, right, he really

877
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:29,200
Speaker 2: got lost and died.

878
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: Right, No, he really did live out his days there.

879
00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:32,400
Speaker 3: It's great.

880
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: Jackson went on to live a very interesting life after this,

881
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: even he had a number of businesses that he ran.

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Speaker 2: He joined the military in World War One in his

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Speaker 2: forties and apparently became a decorated veteran.

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Speaker 1: Probably collected tobacco baseball cards.

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Speaker 3: At the time. Probably so so Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think he ran for governor and lost governor of

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Speaker 2: Vermont at one time in loss. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: he lost. I don't know who in the world would

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Speaker 2: vote for someone else other than this guy. Right, and

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Speaker 2: donated that car the Vermont to the Smithsonian, which and

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Speaker 2: those doggles. Ed has seen this in person, I don't

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Speaker 2: think I have, even though I've been there, so or

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Speaker 2: maybe I didn't. I just didn't know the story at

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Speaker 2: the time.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it seems like you'd be able to recall a

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Speaker 1: car like that.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I've been to a lot of museums,

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Speaker 3: seen a lot of old cars. Right.

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Speaker 1: Sadly, Suell Crocker, he died young. He contracted an illness

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Speaker 1: and died in nineteen thirteen, so he was about forty, no,

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Speaker 1: thirty something, early.

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Speaker 3: Thirties, and he's thirty one.

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Speaker 1: He had been sent to Mexico, I think, to protect

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Speaker 1: some land during the revolution there, and he the stress

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Speaker 1: of it killed him, essentially, is how I saw it.

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Speaker 3: Jesus, that's really sad. I know it is.

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Speaker 1: So that's really the only big sad thing that happened

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Speaker 1: aside from Bud getting ejected from the car in Buffalo,

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Speaker 1: New York.

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Speaker 2: A nice little cherry on top here that ed found.

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Speaker 2: Two was six years after this trip, a woman named

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Speaker 2: Alice Ramsey and three of her friends became the first

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Speaker 2: woman and women to accomplish this same thing. They were

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Speaker 2: sponsored by Maxwell Brisco, an automaker, and they did the

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Speaker 2: trip in fifty nine days in basically the same or

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Speaker 2: maybe just barely slightly better conditions than Jackson and Crocker

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Speaker 2: did it in. So they pulled it off, and they

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Speaker 2: kind of encountered the same issues, and they got a

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Speaker 2: lot of press at the time and obviously did a

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Speaker 2: lot to advance, you know, the shine a light on

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Speaker 2: what women were capable of doing, which was driving a

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Speaker 2: car through terrible circumstances for fifty nine days.

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Speaker 3: Right exactly.

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Speaker 1: Also despite being described as pretty in every single article

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Speaker 1: that was about them at the time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So one other thing, and that was a kind of

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Speaker 1: a note about this, is that thirty years after Horatio

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Speaker 1: and Sewell and Bud made their trip, the record was

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Speaker 1: set that stood for decades. Fifty four hours, so two

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Speaker 1: and a half days. Guy named Irwin Cannonball Baker, we

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Speaker 1: made a famous run from New York to LA and

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Speaker 1: I think about forty years after that, in the early seventies,

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Speaker 1: Car and Driver magazine editors said, this Cannonball Baker guy,

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Speaker 1: he deserves his own his own place in history. So

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Speaker 1: we're going to commemorate him with a recreation of his run.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna call it the Cannonball Run.

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Speaker 2: That's right, And if you want to learn more about that,

939
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Speaker 2: we was that a two parter.

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Speaker 3: It was just a one arter.

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Speaker 1: I think it was probably one of our fifteen minute episodes.

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Speaker 3: No, that was a good one.

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Speaker 1: It was a good one. I'm just saying we used

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Speaker 1: to real shortback then. I can't believe I didn't talk

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Speaker 1: that much back then that we could actually record an

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Speaker 1: episode that was fifteen minutes long.

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Speaker 2: I think we probably talked for fifteen minutes about Burt Reynolds.

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Speaker 1: Probably probably, but that was probably the episode two. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're right, you got anything else? No, I don't either,

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Speaker 1: which means it's time for listener male.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call this short but sweet Amazon factoid. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 2: About a quarter the way and through the episode of

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Speaker 2: the moment, the episode reminded me of our trip of

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Speaker 2: the Amazon to.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, is it Manaus or Manaus m A

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Speaker 3: n a u S. I think manaos an owse.

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Speaker 2: And back on a Viking ocean cruise, he said, Surprisingly,

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Speaker 2: ocean cruise ships can go that far about a thousand miles.

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Speaker 2: Who knew on the cruise Our Amazon guide told us

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Speaker 2: that what I think is the greatest bit of trivia

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Speaker 2: I've ever heard. The volume of water leaving the mouth

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Speaker 2: of the Amazon is equal to the volume of water

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Speaker 2: going over Niagara Falls Victoria Falls. I'm going to do

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Speaker 2: my best with my pronunciation on this falls in South America.

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Speaker 3: Iguazu.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps very nice for South American listeners should write in

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Speaker 1: and let us know.

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Speaker 2: Right so it is the volume of water leaving the

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Speaker 2: mouth of the Amazon is equal to those three giant balls.

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Speaker 3: Wow times twelve. Wow.

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Speaker 1: I was not expecting that extra little bit of math

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Speaker 1: right there.

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Speaker 3: I think that's what makes it amazing. That's from Rich Pope.

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Speaker 1: Thanks Rich Pope. Great name too, really gets it across.

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Speaker 1: Rich Pope.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, good to meet you, you know, yeah, I agreed.

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Speaker 1: Well, it's good to meet you to Rich Pope. And

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Speaker 1: if you want to be like Rich Pope, you can

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Speaker 1: email us as well. Send it off to stuff Podcasts

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Speaker 1: at iHeartRadio dot com.

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Speaker 2: Stuff you Should Know is a production of iHeartRadio. For

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