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Speaker 1: I'm so excited, not because these people are my friends,
Speaker 1: but before these people were my friends, I knew who
Speaker 1: they were doing. I've seen what they were doing. They
Speaker 1: are the people who edited, who architected the magazine business.
Speaker 1: Everybody bit over their blueprint after they made it, they
Speaker 1: tried to recreate it. These guys has been down for
Speaker 1: twenty years or so. These guys have been doing it,
Speaker 1: formed it. If you got four mics, you went gold instantly.
Speaker 1: Ship was called the classic. If you got five mics,
Speaker 1: you probably went platinum instantly, but your ship was called
Speaker 1: the classic. Around days, we don't have no type of
Speaker 1: system at all. Your album just come out and as
Speaker 1: long as to do with purple hair and dreadlocks say
Speaker 1: your ship is good, you might work it. This is
Speaker 1: not back in the days. Back in the days, it
Speaker 1: was hard. Back in the days, you had to hit
Speaker 1: the chickling circuit. Back in the days, you had to
Speaker 1: do what you had to do. And if you had
Speaker 1: to get on this magazine, you had to be privileged
Speaker 1: to be on this magazine. No knocking nuts. The nuts
Speaker 1: was making this magazine. Right now, we're talking about the
Speaker 1: co owner of the founders excuse me, let me correct me.
Speaker 1: Nothing the founders of the Source magazine right now in
Speaker 1: the house. We got Dave Zeno make something I want
Speaker 1: to get straight to the points. You know. One day,
Speaker 1: me and Ja Rule was on the phone, Reular me Rule.
Speaker 1: We are like the three of me goes. We're like,
Speaker 1: we're like the first take of hip hop. We we
Speaker 1: we were going that. Yeah, yeah, I mean me, Me
Speaker 1: and me Ji Roule And I said, like Ja Rules said,
Speaker 1: he said, I don't give a funk about the mic system, right,
Speaker 1: You remember he said that? And I said, that's because
Speaker 1: you only got three mikes. You remember that. But but
Speaker 1: but I've always got four mikes. I always loved the
Speaker 1: mic system. The mic system is will help make my
Speaker 1: career make some noise for that whold on the first
Speaker 1: time you called me up, you called me a backpack wrapper.
Speaker 1: First of all, I cared about the first he said
Speaker 1: that you thought that I was the one that didn't
Speaker 1: give you one and a a half. Yeah, and I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let it be known right now, right here, right here,
Speaker 1: all right, and this is this is like, we have
Speaker 1: no reason to lie. I can't do that as much
Speaker 1: as I want. But you don't say that. You come on,
Speaker 1: so you told me that you thought I was the
Speaker 1: one that was that thought anything. I thought at one
Speaker 1: point that if the source anything that was bad in
Speaker 1: the source, Um, I thought that you had something to
Speaker 1: do with the bad part. And I thought, Dave, no
Speaker 1: know what you thought that I rated the Mic System.
Speaker 1: I thought that you rated the Mic System any bad
Speaker 1: article thing. I thought it was the straight for all
Speaker 1: artist because Price said the same thing. And you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, first time I met him, if you like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I never ever by the way, I never ever ever
Speaker 1: ever gave anybody Mike but set now you know, get
Speaker 1: into it. No, no, I'm just saying other than the
Speaker 1: situation that happened with you know what I'm saying the
Speaker 1: source myself and emin Now you know I'm saying, that
Speaker 1: was the only time the MIC System like I kind
Speaker 1: of I kind of put my authority, but even part
Speaker 1: of my way. But wait, that's that's that's that's that's
Speaker 1: all the other hundred and ninety covers and Mike's and everything,
Speaker 1: I never had nothing to do with it. Like that's
Speaker 1: a back round meeting of editors and people up there,
Speaker 1: and I never was once ever in any of those meetings.
Speaker 1: But even yeah, no, but even still to this day,
Speaker 1: do you not realize how important the Mike syster was
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember you was telling me like, yeah,
Speaker 1: like I was. I was bugging that I was explaining
Speaker 1: to you. I understood it, but didn't I didn't feel
Speaker 1: it like y'all did. Wow. Wow, how about you dave you?
Speaker 1: You me and you want the same page that Mike
Speaker 1: system and a lot to the culture. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: we we serious. You know it was something that the
Speaker 1: staff took seriously. You know the authenticity of it. So
Speaker 1: you know it meant a lot. You got some good ratings,
Speaker 1: got some great grating, keeping keeping real with me. I
Speaker 1: hadn't tell you rule just because you've got three Mike's job,
Speaker 1: that was your problem. Let me play devil's advocate. Alright,
Speaker 1: but what's the my system of of of some people
Speaker 1: who might and especially as rap started territorializing, meaning Houston
Speaker 1: had its own salad Bay Area had and some sound Okay,
Speaker 1: if you got a bunch of people up in the
Speaker 1: office that not used to these sounds, and how New
Speaker 1: York and how can they really rate your ship properly?
Speaker 1: And now that's that's number one? Then number two? Right,
Speaker 1: the business side of the game. There's two sides of
Speaker 1: the souls. There's business and its editorial and you're the
Speaker 1: lady childs are busy for getting technical no no, no,
Speaker 1: no no. But you're the label and your artists and
Speaker 1: you're paying the advertising for your artists, right, but then
Speaker 1: editorials hitting you off for two and a half mics
Speaker 1: within that Now what now? Now? Now? What now? Now? Now?
Speaker 1: What do we do? You know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: it wasn't always as you know, Um, I think like
Speaker 1: what it was? You know what I'm saying. People people
Speaker 1: have different perspectives on things. My thing is like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you've got a song and you believe in it,
Speaker 1: then okay, that's great that other people can that you
Speaker 1: would want other people to rate it. But when you
Speaker 1: think of again, it's just these are just human beings
Speaker 1: and people like you are to rate something to say
Speaker 1: you like it or not. No, But I mean the
Speaker 1: times have changed. But back then, um, I think you
Speaker 1: got you guys. What did they say that was the
Speaker 1: hip hop Bible? Yeah? I understood it through the head bible.
Speaker 1: I mean that did you did you feel like, you know, accomplishment?
Speaker 1: People called it the hip Bible? Not I mean it
Speaker 1: felt good, but I was always striving to keep going
Speaker 1: to bigger thing. It wasn't that stopped to the source
Speaker 1: was start. I remember my first like Sauce I actually bought,
Speaker 1: like I had other source magazines, but the first Sauce
Speaker 1: I actually bought was the Massive Phill cover. I believe
Speaker 1: that's the cover where now it's got five mics. Correct
Speaker 1: when you say massive massive, when I say Massive Hill,
Speaker 1: it was I meant Gang Star and uh a d
Speaker 1: Man And that was that was the issue coogle that
Speaker 1: has Can you google that? Let's see if that's the issue,
Speaker 1: because you know, I don't we want to give out
Speaker 1: correct information. But that was my first source. I was
Speaker 1: in jail, and it meant so it meant I can't
Speaker 1: say it so much more than me because I would
Speaker 1: come home and hip hop kids will have the issue
Speaker 1: the same way. Well, I just want to convind you
Speaker 1: guys for making So did you know what you guys
Speaker 1: were doing when you make? Because he's you're from d C.
Speaker 1: Correct day and then you're from Boston. So how did
Speaker 1: how did your first link up to you already had
Speaker 1: the source out there or it was something y'all came
Speaker 1: over together. He was in Harvard Harvid. Let's make some
Speaker 1: noise to day being in Harvard, you already already sold,
Speaker 1: was already that I was on Harvard Street was head
Speaker 1: X all right, that's want to trust about so great?
Speaker 1: So that's why I might look it makes sense for me.
Speaker 1: Ship the ship Google yours my first, that's my first.
Speaker 1: But um you so Harvard is in the hood. How
Speaker 1: the hell I'm saying Harvard? And because the schools in Okay,
Speaker 1: it's in Cambridge. I started a radio show, hip Hop
Speaker 1: to Mike, hip Hop radio show there on the Harvard
Speaker 1: radio stage. Give give David the drink, give another trick,
Speaker 1: ben Zeno and Dave. They are my friends. You can
Speaker 1: tell they my friends. They dugged out bottles of Armadale.
Speaker 1: It's not the Rocker brother no more. It is now
Speaker 1: hip Hop Weekly sponsored. These are my friends. I'm not
Speaker 1: We're gonna get you a love stories thinking there's a
Speaker 1: lot of that man. We got family, the family like
Speaker 1: excuse people saying Frances brothers both for the man. That's right.
Speaker 1: So how does the Harvard guy and the way you
Speaker 1: for I'm from Roxberry, Dorchester, Massachusetts. How does the Harvard
Speaker 1: guy look up link up with the Roxberry dorstes that
Speaker 1: this is crazy? He was doing that. He was doing it.
Speaker 1: The Harvard thing. I had a grouped the Almighty saying
Speaker 1: Harvard like his life, Harvard, Yeah, but don't see the
Speaker 1: Harvard things nigs in Boston. Harvard was just over there
Speaker 1: with the police setting white people. That's when they everywhere
Speaker 1: else people are trying to get understand that. Yeah, prestigious,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Better the number one rap
Speaker 1: group up there in Boston. Excuse me. Yeah, managed already,
Speaker 1: but feeling different. So I went out to one of
Speaker 1: the shows. That's why. Just before that's when we first met.
Speaker 1: I went out to one of these shows they were performing.
Speaker 1: I went out and introduced myself and told him about
Speaker 1: my radio show. I was hosting the show Street Beat,
Speaker 1: Go Go, Dave, you know, come on up. I want
Speaker 1: y'all to come, you know, to an interview up on
Speaker 1: my radio. So that's how we met, and then we
Speaker 1: just started a Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. Davis Davids
Speaker 1: the blackest white person. He's definitely like everybody actor. I
Speaker 1: don't even I've never looked at them. I know that
Speaker 1: it just as black as me. I'm not black. Let's
Speaker 1: make a man think he's gotta start clapping man stop
Speaker 1: having a conversations made me watch y'all. But then but
Speaker 1: then we ended up linking up and like, yeah you
Speaker 1: got radio station. You said that, and my DJ from
Speaker 1: me from the artist Soul ended up spending on his
Speaker 1: two times Yeah, okay. It was a station for classical
Speaker 1: music and Dave Man get some hip hop on it.
Speaker 1: So Jeff went up there to be as d J.
Speaker 1: Jeff two times up Jeff two you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: and then you know what I'm saying. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: then then from then we just started linking up. You know,
Speaker 1: I started, I started working with him and in the group.
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna get I'm gonna direct this question towards you. Now,
Speaker 1: I know Benzine, I don't know how smart he is,
Speaker 1: but the average person don't see that. How did you
Speaker 1: see his genius day? I appreciate that, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just always been a click from I mean beginning.
Speaker 1: It wasn't later on. I mean, of course it grew
Speaker 1: and it evolved over time, the relationship, but there was
Speaker 1: just you know, there was just something there, you know,
Speaker 1: that's kept us together all these years. I Mean, there's
Speaker 1: definitely a respect man, he's your brothers man. He's a
Speaker 1: he's a brilliant, brilliant person all the time. And you know, um,
Speaker 1: when you got how did you know? How did you
Speaker 1: know when you met him that this is a guy
Speaker 1: you're gonna partner off with? Like it was that the
Speaker 1: first intention, Like hell no, Dave, Dave was just cool.
Speaker 1: We used to go to Harvard. But what I dug
Speaker 1: about Dave was like Dave didn't need to be around
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of different dudes do low but really
Speaker 1: was like he's from d C. So he really didn't
Speaker 1: act the city. You know what I'm saying. Thing you know,
Speaker 1: like when when you're around one thing about racism, it
Speaker 1: breaks down. A couple of things that breaks down is
Speaker 1: crimp crime, because no matter what, it don't matter if
Speaker 1: you connected with somebody y'all doing some dirt, there's never
Speaker 1: no racism. He could be Irish, Italian, black, if y'all
Speaker 1: at homeboys, y'all you feel me. But then it just
Speaker 1: goes on like it was like, Okay, he's at Harvard,
Speaker 1: I'm overhead. Damn, he's kind of cool, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Fucking let's go see with overheads like funk
Speaker 1: with David And was he the first person that when
Speaker 1: you spoke to him and you said, maybe I could
Speaker 1: get out the streets. No? You you wanted to get
Speaker 1: out the streets. Oh no, you didn't want to get
Speaker 1: on the streets. No. Yeah, I was wilding her, not
Speaker 1: just that. We was husting everything for you know what?
Speaker 1: Never watched that he had a record label movie surrender.
Speaker 1: We know you staying up? I did. We're gonna talking
Speaker 1: about that story too. You talking about Thinkers. No, I
Speaker 1: didn't know. It was a trip. He was ten ninety,
Speaker 1: you know that. That's is that how it happened. It
Speaker 1: was night and we can talk about that later later
Speaker 1: stink back on the show. Okay, pick up to Paul
Speaker 1: piss right? Yeah? Cool now? Yeah it was cool then? Okay,
Speaker 1: cool one. You know Roders want to come up here.
Speaker 1: You know he might the story I heard why she she?
Speaker 1: I remember that? Trust remember that. So let's let's let's
Speaker 1: let's talk about it. You just made the transition to reality.
Speaker 1: But before you made the transition to reality, right, you
Speaker 1: didn't give a funk about telling the industry to kiss
Speaker 1: your hass? How did that? How did that attitude derived?
Speaker 1: Like It wasn't. No, it wasn't. It was just different times,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Back then, you know, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, it was just I don't know,
Speaker 1: you know, from Boston, always kind of always got a
Speaker 1: little revel I'm older, so I got a little revolutionists
Speaker 1: in me, you know, back then? Yeah, you know, because
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I'm saying, because it's like
Speaker 1: you you're seeing, you're seeing the struggle, and you're looking
Speaker 1: at things that ain't right, and you know you're seeing
Speaker 1: people being politically correct. I really don't understood still what
Speaker 1: that was, as much as I do now, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But back then I felt like that
Speaker 1: I had I had no political correctness. That's when you
Speaker 1: know you're like, you're a real revolutionaries when you have
Speaker 1: no political correctness. I don't think I'm that anymore because
Speaker 1: I have a lot of politically correctness and the reasons that,
Speaker 1: be honest, I do not but that but that that
Speaker 1: don't that don't take away you know that that's don't
Speaker 1: won the hood. This is different the hoods there. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't done that, But I'm saying as far is
Speaker 1: really given the fuck for the betterment of our culture.
Speaker 1: Actually shot of hens about to go deep balls balls
Speaker 1: look at you know, I love you don't get drunk.
Speaker 1: Do you remember the time he got drunk and you
Speaker 1: left in the wheel chair. I don't drink. I don't drink, remember, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't get him like him. Yeah, listen, listen. There's
Speaker 1: no Snapchat, there's no Instagram, I mean none, So people
Speaker 1: had to actually listen to my story on this. You know,
Speaker 1: he walked to the hotel and it was like I
Speaker 1: care walk they would and got him a wheel chair.
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, the body right, there
Speaker 1: was no everything he makes really a drink, like a drink.
Speaker 1: And then he started making He started hanging out with
Speaker 1: maybe though. You know what I noticed when you get
Speaker 1: fund us, when you mix s, you can't see why.
Speaker 1: You just all over the place. But but that's how
Speaker 1: they drain, like the sunny made me and sunny. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't go for a Dave drink like that too.
Speaker 1: Dave is a day. Let me just tell you about Dave. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm hung out with Dave, just like I hung out
Speaker 1: with you, and Dave. He'd be dropped. He'd just be quiet,
Speaker 1: like you sunny, keep me fucked up, he'd be quiet different. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: just the little boy. Yeah, it's a transsexual drinking anything.
Speaker 1: I said it wrong? Dry sexual? Right, she tried anything
Speaker 1: my bad, my bad, bad badly. So see, you know,
Speaker 1: let's go because you know we're on the podcast. I'm
Speaker 1: still waiting for the time. Always had to ask this question.
Speaker 1: Mix man, did you have anything to do with that?
Speaker 1: Mix man? Listen, listen. You know what I'm beyonest with
Speaker 1: your right. It's like you know, you know, like when
Speaker 1: you when you have um relationships. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying in the industry, male and female friends. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, like your friends, like your grand relationship friends.
Speaker 1: That's two different friends. I'm saying, like when you when
Speaker 1: you when you're dealing with covers and magazines, it's all
Speaker 1: about relationships with the with the artists. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. With the person. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: You got to talk to us for real. He's pro
Speaker 1: he's probate. Oh no, I think I answered that correctly.
Speaker 1: When you smash, you can't say we come on classic an.
Speaker 1: This is the rule on the street, because you know
Speaker 1: the street got down out of everybody wanted the respect
Speaker 1: for you and my girl. Room, I wouldn't even you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. But I'm just saying no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: because you know, you know I'm saying, just as as gentlemen,
Speaker 1: we don't we you know, we don't kiss and tell
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, we don't. We don't kiss him.
Speaker 1: Tell as as gentlemen, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: just the room on the street. I'm saying. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of people. Lady said that, a lot of people
Speaker 1: who wanted to do reckets. But it's a rule of
Speaker 1: that you actually would would both of them. I think,
Speaker 1: I think I think people makes a noise for that
Speaker 1: nose even it was just a room. It's back you
Speaker 1: met your wife was back in the day. Listen, listen,
Speaker 1: let's listen. Let's say because I'm going I'm going straight
Speaker 1: take think about oh man, you yeah, I told me
Speaker 1: you want to do this. I don't know if you're
Speaker 1: made from the angle black. I'm a media guy now,
Speaker 1: like it's roses, reverse the roses first, you know, David,
Speaker 1: you know, just to hit me with his interviews and
Speaker 1: guess what I'm hitting you all from son. Let you know.
Speaker 1: When you know the tower, you know what to be about. Honestly,
Speaker 1: it's about relationships. It's about relationships with everybody in this business. David, So,
Speaker 1: who you would say it's better tell him? David, you
Speaker 1: would say, I'll say, so, who would you say it's
Speaker 1: better wrapping? Rapping with your A way you want to answer,
Speaker 1: it's all be honest with you. We have both of them. Really,
Speaker 1: it's gonna come in time. You gotta saying. They're saying
Speaker 1: we together. No, no, no, I'm gonna you were not.
Speaker 1: Iagine nothing. We're gonna play a game. He's trying to
Speaker 1: hip hop. You know a lot of people on hip
Speaker 1: hop that was bullshit. We're gonna play a game. If
Speaker 1: you don't want to answer the question, you're gonna take
Speaker 1: a shot. All right, all right, but I gotta port
Speaker 1: a shot. What you mean that's the way you gotta go.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a certain random questions if you
Speaker 1: don't want to add this is a drake chap. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: but but but don't no, no, no, no, we have
Speaker 1: to compromise that. Wait, you don't, no, no, Let the
Speaker 1: shots be preportant. We agree, on that. P's not gonna
Speaker 1: let you put a shot that we'll be dancing out
Speaker 1: the small phone. That's that's that's a shot. You're my friend.
Speaker 1: Let me get awake a little bit, Let me a
Speaker 1: little bit so which one is bad? Oh no, no, no,
Speaker 1: no no, I'm gonna tell you which one is better
Speaker 1: than they both? Incredible? Great way to answer. That's that's
Speaker 1: how a gentleman answers. Okay, they never say that A
Speaker 1: little bit man, this little bit man. Maybe five mis
Speaker 1: I'm a fait private person when it comes to any
Speaker 1: type of situation, novel work, five mikes you there um
Speaker 1: in your opinion, she didn't get fine. I thought she
Speaker 1: got phone app No, I think I think she got five.
Speaker 1: She got five? Okay, you know what you're with the
Speaker 1: name of that APT No, because I don't know I
Speaker 1: know what my my, my? Do you think she should
Speaker 1: have got five? Drake? Good? You ain't good? You'll answer
Speaker 1: you the question. I actually do you think she wish
Speaker 1: she should have? A media? Guy? Well, I'm ask you,
Speaker 1: why are you pointing up on me like a check y'
Speaker 1: with Listen? Listen, listen, we don't gi night you're gonna
Speaker 1: play this game? Now play this. Well heard you the
Speaker 1: grape Vine at one point he was in love with
Speaker 1: what the met were talking. I'm going back, I'm going
Speaker 1: goes to me. I'm like, I'm going back to here.
Speaker 1: I just want to see if you're gonna take the
Speaker 1: shot of night and I'm moving on from here. I
Speaker 1: wanna see you to take this shot at night. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna see if you take the shot on that first
Speaker 1: in all, First of all, it's all about this, relationships,
Speaker 1: just about this, and we don't know what is about
Speaker 1: I watch all your pass none of the big none
Speaker 1: of this. I'm pretty a got the revertation. You've got you,
Speaker 1: I love drink to that. If I love you, Oh,
Speaker 1: you know you're trying drink you take the whole shot.
Speaker 1: I want to see it. Take the whole shot. It's
Speaker 1: going down, it's going down. So you was five. I
Speaker 1: love it. You got yo got you got a good
Speaker 1: hit list man, come over here, come on here. When
Speaker 1: you're hit listen, you gotta brag like this has been
Speaker 1: a past in the past. Let's come on, come come
Speaker 1: on yours shot. Thank you for getting a good sort.
Speaker 1: You know't you even look at me like we be
Speaker 1: premeditating this. I'm sorry, but listen, so let's get back
Speaker 1: to the let's get act right now. But it's the
Speaker 1: number one podcast right now, number one intemy want to
Speaker 1: call him the enemy, but even if he's going to
Speaker 1: go somewhere, So listen. You know, I'm still shook up
Speaker 1: from the left. The fuck up. It's all rumors. It's
Speaker 1: all rumors. This is all rumors. Say the drink Chace
Speaker 1: under the story is our actual faction? I'm nice? Where
Speaker 1: actually my house drunk before? You're not? That's the hard question?
Speaker 1: Or no, no, no, let's let's keep it back. So
Speaker 1: one of our direct competition people is a guy named
Speaker 1: Elliott Wilson. That was our son? Was employed by you?
Speaker 1: Where did he work for you? All? That that was
Speaker 1: our son? Okay, you want to think that was our son?
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk. Let's go, let's go exactly. Okay,
Speaker 1: So what happened that he was a music? That he
Speaker 1: was a music? When you heard what do we adopt him? Like?
Speaker 1: So what do you say him? Who do we adopt him?
Speaker 1: Did you say you'll put him all? But the people
Speaker 1: who put Okay, so getting my nice n He was
Speaker 1: a cool guy. He's a cool guy. I just put
Speaker 1: in this space. No no, no no no no no
Speaker 1: no no no. This was after was way after Davis.
Speaker 1: He was never one years. He was assistant used to
Speaker 1: music at this is probably like ninety seven ninety years.
Speaker 1: He used donna get the phillies in the Dutch. Nah,
Speaker 1: I don't say that because after he remember us to
Speaker 1: get our lunch, the lunch you order me back then
Speaker 1: let me see probably like some some wings and some
Speaker 1: over ship whatever. But he used to get the lunch.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean like he was
Speaker 1: like what it was lunch for me? I mean he
Speaker 1: was you know, he was. He was a getting label.
Speaker 1: Was six years about for so you guys put them
Speaker 1: on you gloom you him everything, he knows everything he's
Speaker 1: seen at the source he brought over there. In an
Speaker 1: extent said which, by the way, parents just went under
Speaker 1: Harris Publications. So let me tell you why, because remember
Speaker 1: it was always them against us, and now since we're
Speaker 1: Hip Hop Weekly, we actually outlasted Harris Publications. So we're
Speaker 1: gonna make some noise. That's big. That's big because after
Speaker 1: we lost the souce, they thought it was over for us.
Speaker 1: You feel me. We was banishing into a question and
Speaker 1: we're gonna get back to Elliott. It's it's great for us,
Speaker 1: but um the new sauce. Have you level border new
Speaker 1: Sauce and just look through it? Not like this recently. Now,
Speaker 1: I would never I would never buy you. But we
Speaker 1: will never buy it because it was once your company.
Speaker 1: Or you'll never buy it because their content is just
Speaker 1: both both check check. You know what I'm saying. It
Speaker 1: ain't not shipping eighteen years. A lot of things went
Speaker 1: through us with that, a lot of good, bad and ugly.
Speaker 1: So that was cool with Lindale Manila, right what everybody everybody, yeah,
Speaker 1: is our lawyer? Lawyer? Everybody was out lawyer back then
Speaker 1: everybody was man. We had man with so many men,
Speaker 1: we worked with so many motherfuckers. Was crazy. He was
Speaker 1: trying to something like under the table like he was
Speaker 1: your lawyer. So oh god, no, he just jumped in on.
Speaker 1: He just wants to be us. You see a lot
Speaker 1: of these motherfucker's thought that once they noticed the truth,
Speaker 1: it's the truth. It's the truth. Like when Black Enterprise
Speaker 1: took the magazine look at, Look At Look. Let me
Speaker 1: tell y'all a secret right, Me and Dave went to
Speaker 1: Bob Johnson right right before Johnson our view as a
Speaker 1: dumb that's the guy who used to own own BT
Speaker 1: before he's so BT for three billion dollars. Goddamn it,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna do a foul story, I think he
Speaker 1: used to own Sholotte when he's want to sold the
Speaker 1: Hornets to Jordan's Jordan. You know, so some long story show.
Speaker 1: You know we um, you know we we We was
Speaker 1: in the whole thirty million like with a bank loan.
Speaker 1: So you know, Bob, what means you had to at
Speaker 1: least make sixty seventy million. Bob weren't make some noise
Speaker 1: for y'alli is killing the game. I'm sorry. It was
Speaker 1: those days was crazy. So y'all was in the hole
Speaker 1: and he kind of saying that he wanted to buy
Speaker 1: the magazine straight out directly. So we flew to his
Speaker 1: office and it was at this time, was d C,
Speaker 1: d C. No, it's Bob Johnson, Bob Johnson, I'm okay,
Speaker 1: so um, you know he wanted we wanted, We wanted
Speaker 1: eighty million. Four We weren't asking for eighty million, and
Speaker 1: he was. He came out and he came back, he said,
Speaker 1: I write you a fifty five million dollar check today,
Speaker 1: And we was looking back, you know, since you said,
Speaker 1: you know, Bob, give us so many. We went in
Speaker 1: the room and Dave was just us too, and we
Speaker 1: figured after like paying off the bank, loans and taxes
Speaker 1: and everything else, who would end up with a few
Speaker 1: million dollars a piece. The whole thing about the source was,
Speaker 1: and I say that to say this, the whole thing
Speaker 1: about the source was that how dysfunctional? This just how
Speaker 1: as dysfunctional? How do you said? I always get dysfunctional?
Speaker 1: As it may have seen the relationship between me and David,
Speaker 1: how it was was kind of made. The source with
Speaker 1: it was Dave been from college on being from the streets.
Speaker 1: It just came from two perspectives. And that's how we
Speaker 1: ran the magazine. You know what I'm saying that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't want to lose the source and
Speaker 1: then be like, okay, we're not still runnings of it,
Speaker 1: because we know how it's almost like a call like
Speaker 1: gave five, but you're not, y'all gone gone and we
Speaker 1: just come how about you? David? You didn't like that
Speaker 1: as well? Now we do, you know, we won't understand
Speaker 1: involved because we say how bigger things, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: specially with the Social awards we did saw so all
Speaker 1: Access TV. I mean, we was doing major things. But
Speaker 1: the problem was me and Dave wasn't with everybody like
Speaker 1: in New York and that and that and that, Like
Speaker 1: up there, it's like a club of dudes that been
Speaker 1: in and out, you know that, Norman. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. In those offices up in New York, in
Speaker 1: the industry, it's the same people that just revolved from
Speaker 1: office to office to office because they all feel comfortable
Speaker 1: with each other. And God bless them because I've dealt
Speaker 1: with a lot of them. I've made a lot of
Speaker 1: money with them. So I have nothing bad to say
Speaker 1: by anything. But I just don't think that me and
Speaker 1: Dave was a part of that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And by that meeting, you know, we had our own
Speaker 1: independent views. We didn't have to be politically correct, We
Speaker 1: didn't have to kiss no ass because it stopped up here.
Speaker 1: We didn't have to answer to nobody. You know. You
Speaker 1: guys were like the first like major media company to
Speaker 1: invest in online media. I remember that early. That's how
Speaker 1: we lost them. That's ultimately how we lost. That's how
Speaker 1: we I thought that was that was going to see
Speaker 1: the telling that it was me just investing early when
Speaker 1: when the dot com came out, when it was all
Speaker 1: that's going crazy with that, that's when I went out.
Speaker 1: I bet the magazine on the internet, and when I'm
Speaker 1: borrowed ten fifteen million dollars and started. This was like
Speaker 1: seven years before the world songs gone. Like know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It was just too early with the bank.
Speaker 1: It just nobody understood. We was waiting and everything. But Dave,
Speaker 1: it gotta feel crazy now for you to know that
Speaker 1: you had the vision for what because why you invested
Speaker 1: all that money. You actually seen where it's gonna be now,
Speaker 1: So I gotta feel crazy that maybe it didn't work,
Speaker 1: but your idea was one correct. You know that, right?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know we'll see anywhere we vote for me.
Speaker 1: But that's real though. It was was right young and
Speaker 1: they invested. He asked me, I was, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know nothing about that ship. Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: know nothing about computers under that funk all that, and
Speaker 1: just I don't know what then it is? Step stop?
Speaker 1: Was it was it y'all y'all cool with step Stole mean,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Steve is like somebody that
Speaker 1: we've always had that love hate thing with. You know,
Speaker 1: we've got money with him too. We broke bread with him.
Speaker 1: But then Steve has another side of him that is
Speaker 1: about that again, like that crew, you know, I called
Speaker 1: it that crew. You know what I'm saying. And me like,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm just saying, like you know, at the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the other side, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like there's there's there's a few sides, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And that's what what I say.
Speaker 1: I just think that me and Dave was too a
Speaker 1: little bit rough under the edges phim we wasn't we
Speaker 1: wasn't status quo, and the source was getting only like
Speaker 1: wanted to do Steve to the whole advertising business. Peter,
Speaker 1: Now that was his first partner in the advertising business.
Speaker 1: When you know, when I met Steve, he was, you know,
Speaker 1: working with kids and playing like Carrie and records the
Speaker 1: kid and play Welcome to play a new podcast network
Speaker 1: during radio and TV personalities, talking business, sports, tech, entertainment,
Speaker 1: and more. Play it at play dot It we're back
Speaker 1: to drink Champs Radio with rapper and R and d J.
Speaker 1: Then you see in this industry a lot of people
Speaker 1: we don't get all props when we do the right thing.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna get to the crap bottom of the story.
Speaker 1: So you the guy who introduced him to the advertisement
Speaker 1: firm that he started working with and they started doing
Speaker 1: the reboxing thing and all absolutely absolutely he got he
Speaker 1: he was working up at R C A Records. He
Speaker 1: was an A and R up there for a little while.
Speaker 1: Gave a deal. He used to give me budgets for videos.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I was getting money here,
Speaker 1: like budgets to do videos. Take the fifteen stacks. I
Speaker 1: go do the video for like five stacks. You don't
Speaker 1: saying preten you know I'm saying. I remember one time
Speaker 1: some should have I got locked up and I had
Speaker 1: had spent all the money came to ballstos like yo,
Speaker 1: and it was for this white artist name base Blast
Speaker 1: out of Connecticut've never yeah, Yo, they gave me fift
Speaker 1: That's this is before this was like one of the
Speaker 1: first he could Steve been trying to do this white
Speaker 1: rapper thing for you know, Steve had visions of this
Speaker 1: of a white crossover rapper. He was the first one
Speaker 1: to really have visions of this, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm sure that people had in their mind, of course
Speaker 1: when Vanilla Ice came up, But I'm saying far as Steve,
Speaker 1: he was seeing it from a marketing standpoint of Look
Speaker 1: these kids out here, these white kids, we can give
Speaker 1: them someone of their own. And I always felt like, no,
Speaker 1: that's the opposite of what hip hop is. So the
Speaker 1: white kids are coming to the hoods because they love
Speaker 1: of music. It has nothing to do with the race.
Speaker 1: You can't make it race because when you make it race,
Speaker 1: that's when it gets all screwed up. So interesting thing.
Speaker 1: We have man blink on here recently, right, and then
Speaker 1: Bleak said he was shout to Blake about the rocket
Speaker 1: Fellow breaker up right, and um, all like all the
Speaker 1: employees of how like every successful team now has a
Speaker 1: Rocketfeller employee. That's that's that's that's a part of their team,
Speaker 1: whoever it be. Do you you guys got to feel
Speaker 1: the same way, Like, I mean, how many people came
Speaker 1: from the song and miss what didn't miss seeing that?
Speaker 1: It's like this we can get gold. I don't know
Speaker 1: that the other dude through. Okay, it's not a to
Speaker 1: raise Mike Mike Elliott, who I'm directed, Loving Basketball and
Speaker 1: all that Elliot Mike Elliott started some Elli Wilson, Elliot Wilson,
Speaker 1: Mike Elliott's Mike Elliotta wrecking loving Basketball and a few
Speaker 1: of the movies apps right, because I'm so funked up.
Speaker 1: He was like, so you feel me so so a little.
Speaker 1: So it's like a lot of people came through the office.
Speaker 1: A lot of people came through the sauces. We discovered him,
Speaker 1: Tyson Beford y'all discovered the sauce the boon Dog. He
Speaker 1: was the first blotoon starting. Definitely remember that. Yeah, come on,
Speaker 1: happen that happened? U? Well, he actually he was doing
Speaker 1: it in the University of Maryland newspaper. When I went
Speaker 1: home to d C, I had to something. I think
Speaker 1: my mom gave me the newspaper. I've seen the comic
Speaker 1: in their Boon Dogs. Just dope. I remember the first
Speaker 1: time he came and like in the newspaper. Yeah, think
Speaker 1: about he think about all the graffiti the source introduced.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying motherfucker's never like like, honestly,
Speaker 1: niggas wasn't the source kept graffiti going to all my friends.
Speaker 1: I was like, yo, you know, I got busy, you
Speaker 1: know what people were sitting there like you know how
Speaker 1: much I used to read the bag and like they
Speaker 1: do every part of that, Like when the person discovered
Speaker 1: that in jail, the Source magazine. I got to commit
Speaker 1: you guys, because there's never been a magazine that's been
Speaker 1: that credible. People don't listen to people right now, Like
Speaker 1: if a person can do another like this, briding a
Speaker 1: magazine to try to bite your migrating system, it never worked. Man,
Speaker 1: How proud of y'all of that? You know what I
Speaker 1: mean that? You know I could feel that with you.
Speaker 1: Dave were there first, you know, and we did it
Speaker 1: the right way, you know, I mean, you know, we
Speaker 1: kept it, kept it street, kept it real, kept hip hop,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And and it was it
Speaker 1: was a beautiful thing. We were. We didn't answer to nobody.
Speaker 1: We we owned and controlled our own thing. We wasn't
Speaker 1: you know, we was out of all the entrepreneurs. You
Speaker 1: go back and look at the history Russell Simmons on,
Speaker 1: everybody down they all had major corporation partners back in them.
Speaker 1: You know, ours was completely completely independently. So it was
Speaker 1: until the dot com. That's when you know I lost
Speaker 1: control of it because I bet everything on it dot
Speaker 1: com And that's what you were right, you were just
Speaker 1: like ahead of his time. It was how can you
Speaker 1: have Like that's crazy that you gotta be punished and
Speaker 1: then the internet is killing print magazine. Yeah, what I'm
Speaker 1: saying he knew it. Though he's seen it. He knew it,
Speaker 1: like I know, he's a genie, seen it. Next time
Speaker 1: he says something, you gotta just listen. You're not give
Speaker 1: him two years on it. I mean, you know it happens.
Speaker 1: It happens, but you know, but but you can't. You
Speaker 1: can't worry about that ship. Like, let's get to the source.
Speaker 1: You gotta keep going. You know what I said to
Speaker 1: the Source awards? Whose idea was it? And why did
Speaker 1: everybody get shot? Or there? Guys had a couple performance
Speaker 1: at the Couple's Never want to that later you, my brother,
Speaker 1: I never want to surce award. But listen, at this
Speaker 1: time when you were hot, you had to be at
Speaker 1: the How did your guys come up with that idea like,
Speaker 1: how does the magazine company figure we'll do. The whole
Speaker 1: thing with the Source was to be a voice for
Speaker 1: the culture. That means so as we're being a voice
Speaker 1: for the culture, we're seeing that hip hop isn't being recognized.
Speaker 1: In fact, it's being you know, disrespected at award shows,
Speaker 1: the Grammys things like that that had hip hop categories
Speaker 1: in the late nineteen eighties. Everything they were doing was
Speaker 1: just you know, yeah, disrespectful. So you know, it was
Speaker 1: natural for us to want to come up with a
Speaker 1: you know, a forum to be able to recognize, you know,
Speaker 1: the real stuff that was going on. So that was
Speaker 1: my that was who my whole idea. So the first
Speaker 1: thing was to bring it to MTV and your Own
Speaker 1: TV raps. We did it as a day on your
Speaker 1: Own TV raps where we gave out the Source Awards,
Speaker 1: which that was the first, the very first one one
Speaker 1: with their lover and Dr Drew. You guys gotta stop
Speaker 1: moving back there, okay, listen, listen, you guys are sucking
Speaker 1: up the ship. You gotta stop moving please, you're moving
Speaker 1: and storing. Smack the nigg please and come over here, man.
Speaker 1: So listen, this is what I want to ask that
Speaker 1: short night day that that wasn't the first? Was that
Speaker 1: the second or third? Remember Bernie Matt hosted the first one.
Speaker 1: Imagine that, all right, p Bernie Bernie second it was
Speaker 1: at the Panamount, then in New York and New York
Speaker 1: the first when the first one was in New York
Speaker 1: right there? Not even think how did that moment sit?
Speaker 1: When the whole Take Kick Claim came out O D
Speaker 1: B Like like we got videotapes and all these ships
Speaker 1: right there, I had like we had to do the
Speaker 1: best of the source A wards and I had to
Speaker 1: edit that all of them, so you know, we had
Speaker 1: to combine all the ship and then just sitting there
Speaker 1: and seeing all these groups the biggest thing with me
Speaker 1: because I come from group and hip hop and regass anything.
Speaker 1: I love hip hop like be honestly, like for real,
Speaker 1: I was in DJ rock Shocking Ray Dog. That was
Speaker 1: your name, Rock Shocking Dog. You don't just go back
Speaker 1: to that name, so so you know, it was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying honestly like that that's the
Speaker 1: essence of hip hop. You know what I'm saying, DJ
Speaker 1: DJ spending for the motherfucker's you know, spitting but this
Speaker 1: source awards where sure night he was in New York City.
Speaker 1: Did you did you know that was probably the like
Speaker 1: the minute with the East Coast West coast be not
Speaker 1: not not say it's spoke, but that was the time
Speaker 1: it came on national front. Like, um, we had always
Speaker 1: heard that, you know, there was this bad been some
Speaker 1: beet growing. But when she came there, it was like
Speaker 1: it was timing. That was just timing. But did you guys,
Speaker 1: was you guys aware of that? But it was timing.
Speaker 1: It was ware he was gonna say no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we will It was gonna be tension. We was when
Speaker 1: something could have popped off because you had heard the
Speaker 1: beak or whatever and we didn't have to was crazy
Speaker 1: about that particular one, like we've had, like the later ones,
Speaker 1: we've had more time of security a lot of times
Speaker 1: with the Nation of Islam. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: shots to the Nation of Islam companies, you've always dealt
Speaker 1: with security, they've always happened it. But back then we
Speaker 1: really didn't have a lot of security at that one.
Speaker 1: So something was gonna jump off when all that she
Speaker 1: was saying, when she was saying all that and everything
Speaker 1: that would have been the one to pop off because
Speaker 1: there wasn't a gang of security. Now when we were
Speaker 1: just looking, not happen, you know, um came on. That
Speaker 1: was the first one that was just snap. So what
Speaker 1: happened so so so so so tribes getting the ward,
Speaker 1: you know, saying while while he's getting the war pokings
Speaker 1: already setting up wherever the sound man is bringing him
Speaker 1: with a steak or that was done. We knew nothing
Speaker 1: about this one. We did nothing about this nigger. So
Speaker 1: their man went to the sound man, told the nigga,
Speaker 1: you wanta you wanna put this in there, the out
Speaker 1: on bail song, the dead man or whatever. So like
Speaker 1: they had him a nobody knew that. They just went
Speaker 1: to just had him house. Are you doing? Yeah, they
Speaker 1: came back. A couple of niggas went right to the
Speaker 1: sound man. We never knewiced this is. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I've seen big site and then later on
Speaker 1: he told me the whole ship. So but from from
Speaker 1: my view point without there, I just remember him going
Speaker 1: up there and then he grabbed because I was like
Speaker 1: kind of backstage, and I remember I was back there
Speaker 1: with total and then he just went up there and
Speaker 1: just you know, que Tip was saying his speech and
Speaker 1: just grabbed the ship, said throw that ship out. Bill
Speaker 1: started the music and my music came on. He ripped
Speaker 1: that ship and I remember backstage, I remember what the
Speaker 1: niggas came back, one of them at least that slide.
Speaker 1: The niggas was like one of the niggas was crying,
Speaker 1: like really upset, like um uh, it's not God rest
Speaker 1: of Dead Fife. The other one there was two more,
Speaker 1: Jerrold being the other one also, he was just upset
Speaker 1: kicking over ship. Just matched. They was gonna perform and
Speaker 1: it was presenting the Big Awards just got and he
Speaker 1: just wanted to see how did you get that? You know,
Speaker 1: as wild as the Sauce Awards was, as wild he
Speaker 1: was an audience though at that first time was when
Speaker 1: that happened. Let's make some noise, big wild as the
Speaker 1: Source Awards was, and as and as monument, there has
Speaker 1: never been somebody else that aspect. Nobody has ever been
Speaker 1: able to hip um duplicate no the Sauce Awards in
Speaker 1: the hip hop version. I've never seen award show. I
Speaker 1: don't give a funk with happening backstage, you guys held
Speaker 1: it together like in an award because it was it
Speaker 1: was it was. It was an amount of respect for
Speaker 1: the magazine really for the relationship. I told you the
Speaker 1: relationships like it's hard giving, you know, dealing with artists
Speaker 1: and when they get mix and when they you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, because again I would have nothing to
Speaker 1: do with it, and my funders could be mad at
Speaker 1: me because they didn't. You know. So anyways, Um, you
Speaker 1: just made great shows. I mean those shows it was.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. You guys are my friends, you guys,
Speaker 1: my brothers, you guys with my family. But I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that because of this. I sit back and I
Speaker 1: watch award shows and just so happens. There's never been
Speaker 1: awards show presented as dope as the source Awards. I
Speaker 1: appreciate that, Like I mean, I mean, I don't remember
Speaker 1: just keeping it honest with you, like, um, like, like,
Speaker 1: how do you feel about that? Like you do you
Speaker 1: think it could ever be done? Or do you think
Speaker 1: that you guys do awards? You had the blueprint, We
Speaker 1: had the blueprint. You still got the blueprint. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I'm saying as far as like we started the blueprint
Speaker 1: all right, as far as giving great shows for artists
Speaker 1: that probably wouldn't get the same type of coverage and
Speaker 1: other award shows once they've cleared it with the with
Speaker 1: the networks to get on because remember it was on
Speaker 1: B T U, p N thirty three. I mean, Dave
Speaker 1: got it all over the place on major networks, on
Speaker 1: cable networks, the social words for like just TV show right,
Speaker 1: all that too, of different and that with two times
Speaker 1: on Saturday Saturday afternoon to clock. We gave ray J
Speaker 1: his first TV show. J was the first host first
Speaker 1: of our TV was what's the use shout to ra J?
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying. So, um, so, what do you
Speaker 1: guys think of these award shows now? Like, do you
Speaker 1: think these guys should hire you, like as a consultant
Speaker 1: at least? Don't don't keep it one thousand you try
Speaker 1: to get No, you can't, you can't, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: The problem is motherfucker's just scared to funk with the
Speaker 1: real ship. That's that's always been the problem. It's always
Speaker 1: the inability if we can't control certain motherfucker's and they
Speaker 1: rules because it ain't easy, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But it's like, but there's a way that you deal
Speaker 1: with motherfucker's. We all know that. We all come from
Speaker 1: the street. We all know how to deal with everybody,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But but, but but there's
Speaker 1: other people who can't deal like that. They don't have
Speaker 1: that respect, They don't have that they I think they
Speaker 1: don't even give it a chance, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They already assume it's gonna be some crazy ship, not
Speaker 1: knowing this is gonna be there. They wouldn't they wouldnt
Speaker 1: even try, right j J. Rock, We never we never
Speaker 1: made a commercial show in like political. We just put
Speaker 1: the hottest street niggas on like didn't give a funk
Speaker 1: where it was all over the place. And like when
Speaker 1: you when you go back and look at them shows,
Speaker 1: them shows to go down history. It's like what American
Speaker 1: Bandstand is gonna be for rock because those shows right there,
Speaker 1: all the social awards, it will never be like that again,
Speaker 1: not like that. Not only that though, but the most
Speaker 1: iconic groups were together. You know what I'm saying, Your compone,
Speaker 1: how about how about pun did you ever? He said
Speaker 1: and jerked me like the source that was crazy? What
Speaker 1: did you think about that. It was jerked me too,
Speaker 1: in the same sense of body who's up against the
Speaker 1: shago one man? Yes, me, don't get me. I think
Speaker 1: this is a situation right, this is gonna beat me
Speaker 1: and Big just shot shot the shot career. You know,
Speaker 1: listen at the end of the day, it was high myself.
Speaker 1: But I'm getting saying I'm not hating, but I'm glad
Speaker 1: cause because you're I understand that would be I probably Petro.
Speaker 1: But who else was up? You? So who else? I
Speaker 1: don't remember, say being us? I don't remember. I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't know masturbating source great was that we could
Speaker 1: they definitely at a DA time. I won't I won't hate,
Speaker 1: but you know I got love. I love him over
Speaker 1: the shock, but you don't. Hell yeah, I'm gonna keep
Speaker 1: me ready. Was in front of me Dad's because it
Speaker 1: was I think dropped the album. I think Dad's anchor
Speaker 1: was there that day, and we all looked at each
Speaker 1: other like you know, what's up, what's up? What's up?
Speaker 1: What's up? Like one of us is going up, so
Speaker 1: the sick goes all the way on the other side
Speaker 1: and then jumped up. I was like, oh, well, I
Speaker 1: was like, oh, oh no the silk and yeah, and
Speaker 1: then the punt made that wrong, like did you you said?
Speaker 1: He said so no, no, no what then win? When
Speaker 1: y'all lost, what are you saying? No? None of us
Speaker 1: said nothing to each other. Were just like this. You
Speaker 1: know they paid you know, listen to is Rich. I've
Speaker 1: never I still haven't got over it, but yeah I wanted.
Speaker 1: But that's you know why I think that you guys
Speaker 1: were so great. You guys were doing let's just like
Speaker 1: you know, us doing this episode. Sometimes we might not
Speaker 1: know how great it is, but there's so many people
Speaker 1: that are young people like um, when we got our
Speaker 1: viewers back and when you know, people said, you know,
Speaker 1: we were doing like four hundred thousand and we were.
Speaker 1: We were expecting people to say that that the viewers
Speaker 1: they say in sixteens or twenty four, which lets people
Speaker 1: know that if people want to go back and research
Speaker 1: these things. You know what I'm saying. I'm saying, so
Speaker 1: um yo, you guys doing the most legendary awards. You
Speaker 1: guys had the most legendary magazine. Now you guys got
Speaker 1: Hip Hop Weekly, Like how did that come about? Because
Speaker 1: it's like, what is that like I don't want to
Speaker 1: say gossip because that like downplays it or is it?
Speaker 1: I mean, well, you know, after being dieted by the FEDGI,
Speaker 1: going BANKUET, losing everything, well, motherfucker had to start thinking
Speaker 1: about the future and what else that he knows and
Speaker 1: his expertise at We knew that we was magazine. Man.
Speaker 1: I knew that if if we still fussed with each other,
Speaker 1: we had a chance. I still had the same connection,
Speaker 1: Dave still had the same distribution. Um. So was there
Speaker 1: ever time when you guys had that, Um the moment
Speaker 1: I see you just broke up the FED but like, um,
Speaker 1: when you I said, man, maybe we should separate have
Speaker 1: to be a super sexual arrassment, I mean want sexual
Speaker 1: Let me get into it. We really supposed to talk
Speaker 1: about it, all right, No, No, I don't know. Is
Speaker 1: it seven years Is it seven years back? It was
Speaker 1: so crazy that she was crazy. Were sitting in the
Speaker 1: federal building they're talking about but this is a nigga's
Speaker 1: nuts in the federal court down there. Yeah, like that
Speaker 1: was crazy crazy, So, um, hold on nuts never got it. Um,
Speaker 1: So we can't talk about the sexual arras something. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, um, you know that like with the source,
Speaker 1: like it was my decision to give Kim to be
Speaker 1: the first woman editor in chief for the magazine's mind
Speaker 1: and she had been working in five years. I kind
Speaker 1: of like looked beside the woman man thing and just
Speaker 1: seeing that she was qualified. She was she was a
Speaker 1: hell of a writer. Against popular demand, like this was
Speaker 1: like an unpopular choice for me to do this. I
Speaker 1: was looking over people and so I did it, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. And man, we went on and
Speaker 1: we had who pulled me to drink It's no more panammo?
Speaker 1: Mother dyeing the podcast would be the most no, no, no,
Speaker 1: we go first. You don't know so, I mean basically
Speaker 1: it was just a situation where I've never seen anything
Speaker 1: like it, you know, but when I've noticed in business,
Speaker 1: like I've learned being a part of business, because again
Speaker 1: I was I was a street thinking, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, selling drugs, and you know, I learned business
Speaker 1: in magazine through days. Right, Um, make some noise for David,
Speaker 1: you know his dad. They've been filming our food show
Speaker 1: for three days. No but no, but no, but but
Speaker 1: every day. But it was like, but it was like
Speaker 1: a long time before I even seen money from source
Speaker 1: the source was made from Yeah it was. Yeah, it's like,
Speaker 1: so I heard the source actually started from like a
Speaker 1: path a pamphlet. Right do you take a newsletter to
Speaker 1: a thirty millen of company A friends? I know, I
Speaker 1: think it's work A hunted maion, man, come on, let's
Speaker 1: do it. So that's crazy man? And now and now, uh,
Speaker 1: so many people came from there. Uh there're people that
Speaker 1: because I heard there was you want to talk about
Speaker 1: that directly? Biggie comment, Yo, all my outside height outside
Speaker 1: outside height and then was in an outside hight. Who
Speaker 1: else you're saying side Biggie was an unsigned height? Now
Speaker 1: what what here do you guys go? You guys finally
Speaker 1: make it. You got a magazine that's popping. Why did
Speaker 1: you even think about putting on the guys that nobody
Speaker 1: cared about? Like when I was in the outside, nobody
Speaker 1: cared about me. But yeah, and still you guys have
Speaker 1: the foresight to see that and put that on. Who's that?
Speaker 1: There was that in Maddie se Maddie that Wow, it
Speaker 1: wasn't mad to see the guy who helped uscover Biggie
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, later on the original was like Maddie
Speaker 1: and I mean honestly, like to be honest, everybody that
Speaker 1: contributed to the Source is a part of the success
Speaker 1: of the Source throughout all the chaos and everything. You
Speaker 1: can't take away one's work, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: one's body of work. And there was a lot of them,
Speaker 1: and it was and it was from young people who
Speaker 1: really lived and truly what they thought and understood. Ain't
Speaker 1: cared about hip hop. I just think that in my opinion,
Speaker 1: Like you know, as the culture grew and and and
Speaker 1: it kind of like it was that one at one point,
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden started kind of branching off
Speaker 1: in its own form in different places. That's when it
Speaker 1: was harder to keep things together. You know, Jay the
Speaker 1: Kids says someone in our podcast. He said, hip hop
Speaker 1: is the only John Wove music that has a South
Speaker 1: version that's an East coast version or right a west coast. Right,
Speaker 1: but we did that. There's they just did that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But but what do you think that started from? Because
Speaker 1: of of barrels? Like you know what I'm saying, right,
Speaker 1: But then it's funny because you could say that, like
Speaker 1: if if you're in New York, you could be like, yeah,
Speaker 1: one from Queen's Bridge. I'm from Left Rack. But then
Speaker 1: if you go out of town, they go from New York.
Speaker 1: But I'm from motherfucking so I'm from l A. So
Speaker 1: it turns from street to city to you know, if
Speaker 1: you go out the country, they come from the United States.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So like, it's just really
Speaker 1: it's it's you trying to It's us trying to rep
Speaker 1: something so hard that we're gonna give our lives for it. Right,
Speaker 1: Sometimes it don't be the right thing I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: So you got stuck together? Man, You guys happy with
Speaker 1: Dr Dre? N No, no, not like that. That up again.
Speaker 1: Let me clear that up and clear that up, Clear
Speaker 1: it up and clear that up. Within the within the
Speaker 1: whole eminem thing. Doc, Let's just get it. Dr Dre
Speaker 1: is probably one of my heroes, like motivators, legends, I mean,
Speaker 1: influences everything to do with hip hop, a lot of it.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying everything. Okay, New York is where
Speaker 1: I got my hip hop from. But Dr Dre has
Speaker 1: so much influence from his production and just from the
Speaker 1: groups that he produced and meet with. My love West
Speaker 1: Coast hip hop. You know I'm saying I loved it all.
Speaker 1: It was the situation. Yeah, there was never beef with him,
Speaker 1: and it necessarily wasn't a beef with Eminem was like
Speaker 1: for what? For what? It hasn't really changed my life?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, I don't. I don't. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't look back. I mean, I know
Speaker 1: maybe in a way people could look at it as
Speaker 1: it has, but it really hasn't. Like I'm anna hustling
Speaker 1: that's so cracked and drugs from a corner and came
Speaker 1: from the projects. So anything better than that is all
Speaker 1: right with me. You know what I'm saying. I'm saying
Speaker 1: that I'm not nigger. That's like I've had millions, I've
Speaker 1: had nothing in everything between. But I'm still seen or
Speaker 1: been the same nigger. But so you back in the days,
Speaker 1: you guys like if you was against the source, he
Speaker 1: was against the souce. But you guys like he was
Speaker 1: the first people who was to stand up against corporations.
Speaker 1: We heard rumors of Jimmy I bean off of you
Speaker 1: guys stills. I mean, that was the whole that was
Speaker 1: because I was confused, that was that that was a situation. Really,
Speaker 1: the whole thing with that was like I just felt
Speaker 1: like with MTV crosses and the sauce at the depth
Speaker 1: jam right, the source you guys like for y'all, then
Speaker 1: you have the source like compilation and it came out
Speaker 1: on that like, that's the first time I ever seen
Speaker 1: a four and a half million dollar check. Let's make
Speaker 1: some noise for that. Somebody rot no weed at the atmosphere, compilations, compilations,
Speaker 1: I negotiate that. Okay, did you pay the artist? No? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah yeah. I'm just gonna say I'm sure they don't
Speaker 1: one of them. I'm saying, you got you guys. I
Speaker 1: don't know why you guys get a bad rap? Why
Speaker 1: is it? You know what it is before? I mean,
Speaker 1: the thing is, you guys are so powerful that it
Speaker 1: was easier to say you guys are bad guys than
Speaker 1: it is for people to try to get to know you.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is if a person
Speaker 1: know that they ships wagg or they know that they
Speaker 1: can't get at you, it's easier for them to say, man,
Speaker 1: I'm so sneakers is whatever, whatever. But the minute you
Speaker 1: get in front you guys, you guys are hip hop
Speaker 1: story is you guys are great people, Like, why did
Speaker 1: you think you guys ever got a bad rap? What's
Speaker 1: going on? Because we wasn't like again, it wasn't it
Speaker 1: wasn't just bowing down, you know. It wasn't going along
Speaker 1: with yeah, conforming, I don't know that word. It wasn't
Speaker 1: going along with with with with the go along. It
Speaker 1: was like the rebels and you know, with me, it's
Speaker 1: looking like you know, because that's how the fans came in.
Speaker 1: They thought I was straight. Um, I got hit with
Speaker 1: all kinds of money laundering and extortion, and they thought
Speaker 1: that I was the big drug deal of funding. And
Speaker 1: the problem with that was in the same thing with
Speaker 1: murder incors that I don't think the people really understood
Speaker 1: how many millions of dollars legally we were bringing in.
Speaker 1: See they're thinking, all murdering a million, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Yeah, So so they just they just underestimated
Speaker 1: how much legal money it was. They thought it had
Speaker 1: to be some big legal operation because all this money.
Speaker 1: But that's what it was because they was looking at
Speaker 1: the tax situation after the after the after the criminal
Speaker 1: broke down, I had the guilt to taxes I took
Speaker 1: it to um trout and ended up they found me
Speaker 1: not guilty. I was one of the few to be
Speaker 1: found out guilty. Of course I had to pay the stick,
Speaker 1: pay the fine, like one of the few to beat
Speaker 1: a federal tax. Took it to the trial, to the trial,
Speaker 1: and you're still on your ground and you still you know,
Speaker 1: going to trial right now, y'allah. So look, so they
Speaker 1: had accountant line up and ship wired up. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, that could work at the summer
Speaker 1: that Dave high hold on, that's what we want that
Speaker 1: they hired accounting. Dave hired the accounting. Yeah, but he
Speaker 1: did approached three Dunkin Donuts over to George Washington Bridge.
Speaker 1: The feastant broke the account that you have asked him
Speaker 1: the wine account. You know, I was wing w Dons
Speaker 1: that first going on on on Route four, the first
Speaker 1: Dunking Donors, and said he went in there. They sat
Speaker 1: with him and they said, and he's he thought, he said,
Speaker 1: the reason he did it because he thought it would
Speaker 1: be excited to do. He six months and ship, what's
Speaker 1: you doing coming around? You were like just s you
Speaker 1: would be like you were talking conversations and I'd be like, yo,
Speaker 1: check this out. I'd be like, my man, I don't
Speaker 1: even know you, Dave. You know what we talked, Patriots
Speaker 1: and jets, need to paytriots and jets. Other than that,
Speaker 1: I don't know you, so talk to you about nothing,
Speaker 1: but you knew he was. I don't know nothing. I
Speaker 1: just don't. I just don't even be having these conversations
Speaker 1: with motherfucker' We ain't talking sports or some other ship. Motherfucker.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying there talking about taxes and aller. What
Speaker 1: are you talking about? Man, that's what the funk you
Speaker 1: hired for. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, gonna talk today.
Speaker 1: He hired you. I don't know you. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And that's how it went until the nigga came.
Speaker 1: When when I was on trial, he came in. He
Speaker 1: couldn't even look at me. I'm looking at this nigger
Speaker 1: like and it was always like, it was always cool.
Speaker 1: I never did nothing to this motherfuer Holly know him?
Speaker 1: How long was he working with the good six years
Speaker 1: of five years, making like a hundred hair wire. I
Speaker 1: about to say, Mason noise for him. We gotta we got,
Speaker 1: we gotta do something that's like the opposite of making damn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was a lot of people don't understand, right. Look
Speaker 1: at I used to give people in the source like
Speaker 1: rail No No, No five Mikes rail diamond, source change
Speaker 1: for the girls and for the guys the drill, diamond
Speaker 1: and ice from Jacob. Then we spent so much money
Speaker 1: with Jacob. It wasn't this man like. We took care
Speaker 1: of out people. You know what I'm saying, We like,
Speaker 1: we we took kids before all the fake diamond. This
Speaker 1: is the real There wasn't for that, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Any ice, This is the real ship. And
Speaker 1: we were spending money taking care in the isn't like.
Speaker 1: I don't know what it was, man, I just it
Speaker 1: was always uphill climb for motherfucker's to really try to,
Speaker 1: you know, street niggas funk with us. But it was
Speaker 1: like the industry motherfucker's wasn't too many funkings. I knew
Speaker 1: you for so long. We lived in the same building,
Speaker 1: and I've never heard the story of a nigger wind Why. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is my first time. I've learning a lot crazy,
Speaker 1: I'm learning a lot. You gotta rush. I just don't
Speaker 1: know one thing that is that the first time I've
Speaker 1: ever heard your neighbor was in Carlito's Ways article. Cut
Speaker 1: you the way. That's what I get talking to that
Speaker 1: job straight out of jail and the first time saying
Speaker 1: now like that's about you know, as soon as you
Speaker 1: get out of jail. Yeah, hiring him because we need
Speaker 1: niggers like that out of like hire him. I was
Speaker 1: the one to do the hip hop behind balls. That
Speaker 1: was my idea. You know what I'm saying. So you
Speaker 1: hired call it fresh straight out of jail, ye remember? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: look we all I don't see I mean if they
Speaker 1: still holding brudges this song, Like, come on, when you
Speaker 1: say holding budgets, are you saying that, because because you're saying,
Speaker 1: you're arguments. Every relationship has an argument, whether it's your girl,
Speaker 1: y'all more than arguments. Yeah, yeah, there was some thoughts
Speaker 1: a couple of days. It was a couple of years
Speaker 1: about it. I remember who's the our CIA records. It
Speaker 1: was Um and thence guy sor niggers came up to
Speaker 1: the meeting. We had an our CIA records. We're having
Speaker 1: a meeting about our ep it. He was a press
Speaker 1: day the scheduled album games Cate when when Clue was
Speaker 1: the assistant there, okay O C Records, Okay, before it
Speaker 1: was DJ Clue. I think he was just getting into
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. What's happen. Yeah, so they scheduled we
Speaker 1: didn't know where they scheduled an interview, you know, hey
Speaker 1: with the shorts, said that we're gonna come to interview them.
Speaker 1: And then they came up there with a subpoena trying
Speaker 1: to serve and this is I heard something about this.
Speaker 1: They try to boycott you. No, no, this was over time,
Speaker 1: because that was some time. They came to our c
Speaker 1: A offices and lied to give upstairs to our to
Speaker 1: our press date. We have always pressed people from the
Speaker 1: store that you guys are employing, like four of them,
Speaker 1: Reggie Dennis, James, Bernard's, a few, a couple of them.
Speaker 1: They came up there and they stood in front of
Speaker 1: like it was on this big gass table. Now mind you,
Speaker 1: we were happy were the people are. Golf Brooks was
Speaker 1: up in the building and ship like that. They already
Speaker 1: heard niggas was wild. They're waiting to like to throw
Speaker 1: us out the building anyway. Man CBS is ready to
Speaker 1: do to us, just stole on them. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 1: chairs he went through the glass window. We got dropped
Speaker 1: from our next week, y'all keep the gangster. Sorry if
Speaker 1: you didn't know drink cash podcast. You make noise for
Speaker 1: the eggnorant. We love it Ahead, you just take one
Speaker 1: pair of you mad red man, you I can tell
Speaker 1: you really put it in work this week with me,
Speaker 1: because Yo, listen, I'm mad black around. Case you didn't
Speaker 1: know I'm black around. I was just from the Food
Speaker 1: Show man. He was one of my Food show. You
Speaker 1: the first person of the show and the podcast in
Speaker 1: the same day. This is what we're playing on doing
Speaker 1: with the podcast, depending on traveling with the Food show,
Speaker 1: getting people on the Food Show. And then you know,
Speaker 1: we had scar Faced today. Shout that's my god. Man,
Speaker 1: he went to the hospital. Y'all suck him up. Almost
Speaker 1: kill scar Face to that track if you eat some
Speaker 1: fun up ship that no, we gives you no nigger.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest. Scar Face is crazy. He's always
Speaker 1: been crazy, but like a genius crazy man. He walked
Speaker 1: over like this. I was like, Oh, I thought, that's
Speaker 1: like how they could do you swell up? No, he
Speaker 1: ship swall up before he touched it forecause you can't breathe.
Speaker 1: It brought up you to you're a big other face
Speaker 1: small is my brother man, thank you for coming to
Speaker 1: the full show. Um, you know what I mean to
Speaker 1: try and get you on the podcast tomorrow because you
Speaker 1: gotta make it up to me and my brother. But hang, hang,
Speaker 1: but listen. Do you think the souce, a feeling like
Speaker 1: the sauce can ever be recreated? Like something like it,
Speaker 1: like soul was natural and raw and you know, discovering
Speaker 1: new talent because I would say it would be this podcast,
Speaker 1: but then I would be lying because we're not discovering
Speaker 1: new talent. We want to speak to legends and people
Speaker 1: got these nineties stories, so it can any form of
Speaker 1: shape of fashion. Can the source ever be created where
Speaker 1: people like if listen, in case you guys didn't know
Speaker 1: when it's it was said in the source it was
Speaker 1: the word of God, like nobody can dispute it. If
Speaker 1: CNN got four Mix, that's it, nobody disputes it. Can
Speaker 1: any format could ever recreate that? I'm glad I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think do you think that can happen? It's
Speaker 1: possible only because like there's really nothing out there right
Speaker 1: now that's you know, has like a great voice for
Speaker 1: the culture. There's nothing really there. You know, there's world Star.
Speaker 1: You know, the un organized digital format it has to
Speaker 1: be everything. It got to be. It has been a
Speaker 1: combination of digital, TV, print, It has to be a
Speaker 1: combination of everything really multimedia to really get across. But
Speaker 1: but like with that has to come trust and who's
Speaker 1: doing it. You see, a lot of these things that
Speaker 1: you're talking about all becomes the trust and the comfortableness
Speaker 1: of the person with the people who are doing it,
Speaker 1: how much experience they have, how much credibility they have,
Speaker 1: and and and and and and and and how and
Speaker 1: how many people that can cross over because it's so
Speaker 1: there's so many different areas of hip hop now. Man,
Speaker 1: it's not like unified like before. So not only it's territorialized,
Speaker 1: but it's also sectioned off within the territorial So you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. It's just it's just a matter
Speaker 1: of how you try to come and do it. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like me and David put in
Speaker 1: enough work that you know, like well, you know we're
Speaker 1: in talks right now for hip hop with your TV show.
Speaker 1: I think, you know, no, no, no, no, not that
Speaker 1: because it's not about necessarily that, But we want to
Speaker 1: do it more like a magazine show, like how we
Speaker 1: did it before the Source magazine where Tonight Entertainment Tonight.
Speaker 1: You don't say you actually have to get these guys
Speaker 1: to sign off because TMZ don't we have to get
Speaker 1: these guys. Well no, we we We could actually do
Speaker 1: that too, like if if we go on locations somewhere,
Speaker 1: but usually it's just blobs of you know, like yeah,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, you would get but
Speaker 1: all of them signing off because I see you guys
Speaker 1: were kind of early on that, like the first time
Speaker 1: I've ever heard first we were was about to be
Speaker 1: released from prison. I've seen it on Hip Hop Weekly,
Speaker 1: like y'all camera guy was out there shout like like
Speaker 1: like like everybody else said Rimy Marr was about to
Speaker 1: be released. I didn't believe it. Look at what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I was on the road somewhere and I looked at
Speaker 1: Hip Hop Weeklies, and every time hip Hop Weekly was
Speaker 1: on point, I was posted something. Everything that y'all posted
Speaker 1: was one of its accurate. Other raps, We're gonna have
Speaker 1: that on TV. See that should be on just like
Speaker 1: how CNN got it, you know what I'm saying. That's
Speaker 1: that's what we're trying to do. And like I said, look,
Speaker 1: love us, hate us, anything between. You can't take away
Speaker 1: our experience in this game. And I mean we've lived
Speaker 1: through all these decades of hip hop and it's changed
Speaker 1: dramatically and we're still here, you know, and you know
Speaker 1: that ain't bragging. That's just a testament to just trying
Speaker 1: to be a part of the culture and understand the culture.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, so like no
Speaker 1: matter what, you know what I'm saying, Like we we
Speaker 1: we think that if we can get when we get
Speaker 1: hip hop weekly on TV and get the show, and
Speaker 1: that's when that that's going to be the beginning of
Speaker 1: now reliance get right. You remember I've been I've been
Speaker 1: all through Hollywood with that, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like him a few times. But you know it's like
Speaker 1: like when I'm talking to some people, like you know
Speaker 1: what I'm like, Like right now, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: networks that's looking for real, Like with Empire being so big,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of networks that's you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: looking at black culture like, hey, we better funk with them.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, looking at love and hip
Speaker 1: hop numbers, and those are big numbers. No, No, that's
Speaker 1: a question I want to ask you, Dave. You know, um,
Speaker 1: he's always been your partner. Uh. You guys are friends,
Speaker 1: you guys are brothers. But how did you feel the
Speaker 1: first time he told you he was gonna do love
Speaker 1: and hip hop? Man? Somebody, how did you feel about that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I supported that. We just moved to Atlanta
Speaker 1: and and and that one thing that to another and
Speaker 1: uh he told me about it, and man, because love
Speaker 1: and hip hop was that accident? It was actually wasn't
Speaker 1: that big an accident. What do you mean by that?
Speaker 1: I'm saying, like, you know, me and Stevie have been
Speaker 1: sucking around. I've been living I was living down here. Stevie,
Speaker 1: come fun with me. Steve stand like come over, yeah,
Speaker 1: yeah right, So you know what I'm saying, Like it
Speaker 1: was you know, I went up there on Atlanta down Listen.
Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm doing. I don't want to
Speaker 1: make guys had a club Listen. The first time I
Speaker 1: ever got mased to I got made famous. Let me
Speaker 1: tell you some boy, Me and you don't really know
Speaker 1: each other, but you and I. This is the fun.
Speaker 1: This is the craziest, is the crazy of the world.
Speaker 1: Jar Roule, Yo, you gotta be quiet, man role. I
Speaker 1: moved from Left Frack to West Ars, New Jersey. Right
Speaker 1: jar rule? Also all right rule? Also who's the west
Speaker 1: a rich New Jersey? From there? Jab moved saddle Brook
Speaker 1: correct side the river, out side side the river, live
Speaker 1: next to you. And then me and you somehow both
Speaker 1: moved to Miami, and they connected us and said we
Speaker 1: all lived like him and Joab state around. Just to
Speaker 1: break it down for people that do understand that him
Speaker 1: and John stayed around, lived next to each other. Then
Speaker 1: me and joall living next to each other to me
Speaker 1: and so we all at some point then as we're
Speaker 1: living next to each other, we all got kids around
Speaker 1: the same age, so they all working with each other,
Speaker 1: and we get close, you know what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: we started dealing with each other's situations. You know, we're
Speaker 1: coming to each other, because that's really when I was
Speaker 1: down here, you know what I'm saying. I mean, really,
Speaker 1: you know, going through everything relationship, problems, problems with ship,
Speaker 1: we had just with everything we were. We we would
Speaker 1: talk because we really we both came down here like
Speaker 1: it's not like we was in the same boat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we wanted we wanted to. We want to say, get
Speaker 1: over right exactly, get away, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: So you know what I mean. So we would confide
Speaker 1: each other in a lot. You know about you is
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm negative, you would be positive I'm positive.
Speaker 1: And that was we could they were talking. Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was dope. You don't say, but that's how we
Speaker 1: got to be so cool really because we all spend
Speaker 1: time with each other. And then when you spend time
Speaker 1: with each other, it's just not you're gonna tell him
Speaker 1: what do you want to hear. You're gonna tell him
Speaker 1: what you think it's best for him, because that's the
Speaker 1: best type of friend. You know what I'm saying. You
Speaker 1: know what I mean. You don't tell them what they
Speaker 1: want to hear, and tell him what's best of you,
Speaker 1: even if they don't get matted. Fucking we don't talk
Speaker 1: for a week, two weeks, Fucking I gotta say that
Speaker 1: because I care about you know what I'm saying it's
Speaker 1: the same thing with all of us. Everybody makes a
Speaker 1: noise for that. You still around. Take a shot, Take
Speaker 1: a shot as so you know you actually hear. I
Speaker 1: thought she was gonna like make up scoose. I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna like act like, look, this is all met that Zeno,
Speaker 1: change your fucking rabbit. Yeah, yeah, chase your rap, Zeno
Speaker 1: drink Yeah, I pressed my friend fucking rabbit rap. Yeah,
Speaker 1: chase your rap. I don't drink, but you know, you
Speaker 1: know when it has to be done. Huh. If you know,
Speaker 1: you know what I should sucking Rabbi listen, that's amad.
Speaker 1: Just say you know what's that that this is playing? Um?
Speaker 1: Oh it is I thought, oh, I thought that was
Speaker 1: Dave's come. I was like, oh, you're just going hard.
Speaker 1: That's gonna chang and check off. I was like, chasing
Speaker 1: my rabbit. That's a nonsense. You know. I gave no
Speaker 1: sixty five dollars check for the first and that never
Speaker 1: came out. Wait, wait, sixty five stats for first that
Speaker 1: never can get to this story? Wait up, wait up,
Speaker 1: yo yo, what kind of hard you don't even do it?
Speaker 1: How did this story happen? No, it was just he
Speaker 1: was hot as funk. I wanted the verse from him,
Speaker 1: had the money, and I know we was in California
Speaker 1: after the Steve was sucking with him, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So probably Steve by the hooked it up.
Speaker 1: And then man, he just came up and I never
Speaker 1: forget gave it to him, spent the version and bounce,
Speaker 1: and I was like, we just say too much to
Speaker 1: each other. You just got the sixty five bands and
Speaker 1: kept moving. We just never I just never used the
Speaker 1: verse or nothing. You know what I'm saying. It's around
Speaker 1: a better face on YouTube somewhere. Okay, so you did
Speaker 1: use the word, but nothing to put out to get solden.
Speaker 1: Just like I don't know you, I don't know. You
Speaker 1: gotta start looking out for yourself. Now his verse, I
Speaker 1: don't care if it's from then to now, it's at
Speaker 1: least from twenty to sixty bands. It's always worth sixty five.
Speaker 1: So how hot was he at that time? He killed
Speaker 1: the verse? But you know, but but like the Boston Niggers,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, let me ask you all
Speaker 1: that shot your ship, all that project, something like the
Speaker 1: thing about it if a new artist came out and
Speaker 1: now I'm not talking about then. I mean, I'm not
Speaker 1: talking about now. I'm talking about then, Like if aw,
Speaker 1: what is that noise? What is that keeping hearing? What
Speaker 1: is somebody clicking something? Still? All right? Tell him need
Speaker 1: to shut the funk up. Listen, So thinking is drinking.
Speaker 1: We drink ball and then we got wind. Would we
Speaker 1: go and eat and caught your bar or windwood tavern
Speaker 1: or wind stats go with drinking. They could have a
Speaker 1: couple of average drinking. He's now listen. You know you're
Speaker 1: my friend. We're clothes. I come to a crib one
Speaker 1: day living a diplomat. Give me your world just number,
Speaker 1: gave me a wright. I'm running right in had we're
Speaker 1: hanging out with barbecuing. You're the first person the green
Speaker 1: park in the house. Yeah, I bought a big park shoulder.
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that shoulder with Atlanta orange and
Speaker 1: you you baste it. I thought he was playing. It
Speaker 1: was like, I'm bringing a park shoulder, right, Hi, I
Speaker 1: forgot on the park he running on like it was like,
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted me to keep in the living room.
Speaker 1: He didn't want to keep it. He was like the
Speaker 1: smells of the right right, let's get you what would
Speaker 1: happened that day? Like that's what you're into the park shoulder,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: the melt. I'm sure we've got some fellows in their
Speaker 1: sucking pop, but you'll be on it off. You be
Speaker 1: on it off. I've been like four years in your
Speaker 1: blood you put away. Yeah, it was like it was
Speaker 1: like eating that park no more. He wasn't eating bee
Speaker 1: Pocus the food of the gods. Talk about it, man,
Speaker 1: Let me tell you can listen to this show to
Speaker 1: take every piece of port and make that ship taste good. Man.
Speaker 1: This is how you know, Like I know that Randy
Speaker 1: Aka and Dave Mays is the blackest Jewish people we know,
Speaker 1: neither wanted to know celebrated pass Over yesterday. Let's make
Speaker 1: some noise for that. It was the week before. No
Speaker 1: we went to we went to and did he wait wait,
Speaker 1: didn't we go to the Let me tell. Let's listen,
Speaker 1: let's tell how powerful Jewish people is. We went to
Speaker 1: the w hotel to Jewish people. Yeah. I can usually
Speaker 1: do around as mom. You gott keep a Jewish guy around,
Speaker 1: that's around. That's a rule. You got Jis guy around.
Speaker 1: But let me just tell you how crazy it was.
Speaker 1: We went to the W Hotel. We're filming the full show,
Speaker 1: which is W Hotel for a Dum said, I can't
Speaker 1: from my negls heard. So we went to the W
Speaker 1: Hotel and fat Lauder that's a man and Um we
Speaker 1: try to use the bad for me. It was like
Speaker 1: they've rented it out for ten days for Passover, so
Speaker 1: nobody else can rent it out. I've never seen no
Speaker 1: other races to you, let's make some noise for the
Speaker 1: Jewish people for keeping the Jewish No, no, they said
Speaker 1: that a whole W hotel, they're all out. There's nothing
Speaker 1: but coucier food being served. There was no alcohol for
Speaker 1: those days, correct. It was like, you know, it was
Speaker 1: the ball open. It was like, no, it's passed over.
Speaker 1: Is anybody in there Jewish over the day? Let's make
Speaker 1: a noise that they've been the only Jewish guy come on,
Speaker 1: so spends you know on day. But I'm gonna start
Speaker 1: with you, Dave, because you know, is there anything you
Speaker 1: regret besides the internet, because we got to that, is
Speaker 1: there anything you ever regret that you can't have no regrets?
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? No regrets. That's a real
Speaker 1: nigger ship. Let makes some noise to day being black ship.
Speaker 1: Right there? You got any regrets? Man, I can't think
Speaker 1: of anything. You know what I'm saying. Probably probably you know,
Speaker 1: of course you want to be smart about it. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I probably gotta be smart. But
Speaker 1: we ate him in here. But but but still body listens.
Speaker 1: But if you look back, But if you look back
Speaker 1: and you could say, yeah you could if you not
Speaker 1: even it's about yourself when you look at your kids
Speaker 1: and you look at their futures. You know what I'm
Speaker 1: saying that you start have to be about music and
Speaker 1: music musically yeah, musical, but like like you know, like
Speaker 1: in the business musically now you know, I mean to
Speaker 1: be honest, I think I never got a real shot
Speaker 1: because of all the controversy of my music. Like people
Speaker 1: don't know that I produced the intro on NASA Stalematic
Speaker 1: album Wait Time Out. I'm saying, you know I still man,
Speaker 1: it's the Train over Lion, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Stacy lot of Sart joining produced. That's the Hangmen three.
Speaker 1: You see that me two times? JP like yeah that
Speaker 1: right now? Yeah, man, let's get as mad As Robs.
Speaker 1: You're not, you know, hold on, I shoulder to my career.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if those are your pok rinds. Ain't.
Speaker 1: I'm not anybody because that's the ball. That's the ball
Speaker 1: they offer those. Let me let me see if they
Speaker 1: had Fisher Park ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's a ball,
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Speaker 1: to Drink Champs Radio with Rapper and R and d J. Then, so, boy,
Speaker 1: how did you produce that? How did who called you?
Speaker 1: Ste out? Again? Steve got through? Steve. You're getting a
Speaker 1: lot of love on my show. We've done a lot
Speaker 1: of ship with Steve and Steve, you know our relationships.
Speaker 1: I'm allowing the love to be spread. But all that
Speaker 1: telling of America ships, Eve, what happened with Tanta America,
Speaker 1: I'm not you're failing that. I've never seen it. There
Speaker 1: was no American man, There's there's ain't no tanning of
Speaker 1: American man. I don't believe in that, man, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, tann of American. I'm sure, Steve to
Speaker 1: Stephen means that the white agencies and the white companies
Speaker 1: are now except accepting certain black but you know, right,
Speaker 1: but that's bullshit because they really ain't, you know what,
Speaker 1: cause they really ain't working with us. See, it's us
Speaker 1: that that that got the juice. It's the middleman and
Speaker 1: the middleman above then we usually get them credit for it.
Speaker 1: That's just how it is. So that's what tannic means,
Speaker 1: the tanning of a memor. I didn't see that ship.
Speaker 1: I have no idea what we're talking. He rose and
Speaker 1: big Big, I guess, but he knows our relationship and
Speaker 1: I'm not dissing them. So this is this is a
Speaker 1: wonderful thing, man, But you you don't agree with that.
Speaker 1: Don't get what the handa? What was you talking before that? America?
Speaker 1: It was something before that style. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: the song still Madics. So how did who called you to?
Speaker 1: We probably did it through Steve, but but the el
Speaker 1: is that we also produced the one with you and
Speaker 1: Prodigy that win gold? Right now, okay, double classic album?
Speaker 1: We need? How did this call happen? What did they
Speaker 1: asked you to do? An intro? We gave some beats
Speaker 1: and and Eli s Ellie and we get shout out
Speaker 1: to d j Eli s Man. Was Elis who gave
Speaker 1: Elis the beats? You know what I'm saying. Let now
Speaker 1: it's here. That's when they wanted. Wasn't the guy at
Speaker 1: that time, So it wasn't Steve. It was Elis. My
Speaker 1: mother's steak. It was Elis. And that's not the reason
Speaker 1: you got five mics. No, now I should have got
Speaker 1: five mics. No that that album was, Come on, it's
Speaker 1: still maddic. I don't think I'm saying man still maddic.
Speaker 1: It was still hitting money then that was a double
Speaker 1: God damn man, I thought you said about that's why
Speaker 1: my that was classic. That's still magic. I'm thinking crazy,
Speaker 1: Are you crazy? That's my first um source UM article magazine.
Speaker 1: I ever, boy, I could never be more proud of
Speaker 1: to be from Queens at that very moment um because
Speaker 1: I have remember seeing Nash in Brooklyn Queen's Day back
Speaker 1: in the days we should do something called Brooklyn Queen's
Speaker 1: Day and Flushing Meadow Plargue and I've seen I was
Speaker 1: booked to perform and he came out and did live
Speaker 1: at the barbecue and he came out with this dude
Speaker 1: with you know, um we call him Fisherman's they killed it,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And then um, they was
Speaker 1: doing all this crazy ship. So that's the you know,
Speaker 1: for me to see that as a chap go to jail.
Speaker 1: She this same kid got five mics. I didn'tnew what
Speaker 1: the mic system meant because I was an Outcast fan
Speaker 1: of Outcast was the only other people I've seen prior
Speaker 1: to that, I believe, because something kept Playlistic, Cadillac whatever,
Speaker 1: whatever that album is came out, came out before Illmatic, correct,
Speaker 1: because I think that came out. He want to google
Speaker 1: that came first? Whatever? Who got five mics? Maybe? Well,
Speaker 1: whoever got five mics before that? Get NAS got five
Speaker 1: mix And I was in the jail walking through because
Speaker 1: at that time in the jail I was in, it
Speaker 1: was either Buckshall Shorty or not. Obviously I was on NAS.
Speaker 1: I did like Buckshot Shorty, and he wound up his
Speaker 1: baby mother black Moon. Excuse me, his big mother was
Speaker 1: actually from Left Rack, So I wounded up being cool
Speaker 1: with him. But in the jail at that time, it
Speaker 1: was like you either NASA or black Moon, And obviously
Speaker 1: I picked the nine side, and wind of that article
Speaker 1: came out. I just walking through the jail. It was
Speaker 1: the and care Rest. We had care Wrests on the
Speaker 1: show and Caress said that he basically said, well, if
Speaker 1: that didn't come out, you know, he said queens Bridge,
Speaker 1: which which um, he said, Queen's Bridge would have never revived.
Speaker 1: But he didn't understand that. What he meant was Queens
Speaker 1: might They're not never revived, So that that yeah, but
Speaker 1: but but but there was a lot of album from
Speaker 1: that album restored the pride, the pride the I don't
Speaker 1: even know the other way he restored like us to
Speaker 1: be like, you know, walk outside and go go eat
Speaker 1: in Brooklyn and go eating and whatever. But it all
Speaker 1: started from when people seeing that he got five months
Speaker 1: five and then you did abouly the wonderful story of
Speaker 1: the producers. You remember that or all the producers that
Speaker 1: was involved like that was that was legendary. Like, um,
Speaker 1: journalism isn't conducted like that. No, it's not that serious. Normal,
Speaker 1: it's not that serious because everything, everything, even music is faster.
Speaker 1: So what you think about that? I mean, you know
Speaker 1: the way I look at it, I mean, you know
Speaker 1: you have it's it's just the sign of the times.
Speaker 1: You know, everything is fast. I mean, the good thing
Speaker 1: is that we lived in those times. So I just
Speaker 1: appreciate that I know those times just because it ain't
Speaker 1: here no more. I don't mean you can't still celebrate
Speaker 1: because you've been. You know, we're celebrated right now. That's
Speaker 1: what we're doing on Drink Yo. Man, let me just
Speaker 1: tell you, man, h the ride. Look at that. I
Speaker 1: just I really need to eat the pot rinding on
Speaker 1: my show. People, you know this is sunny DVD. Join you.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get your five with the ball. Fan with
Speaker 1: the ball. I'm gonna get you with the ball, y'all.
Speaker 1: You don't know why because funk don't goes down. The
Speaker 1: mother's just punch you like you don't. Just good, give
Speaker 1: me a hot five with the book you get rid
Speaker 1: of the ball. I'm gonna say that. I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't mind. So Chris, I feel like he was gonna
Speaker 1: go when we were talking about the eminem situation, like
Speaker 1: I felt like you was gonna say something like he
Speaker 1: was going in the direction of saying that you didn't
Speaker 1: have no problem and wasn't no problem with him, because
Speaker 1: I really don't understand him. It was just a gun.
Speaker 1: You know. MTV was just taking on the hip hop
Speaker 1: and I felt like, you know, big, this is where
Speaker 1: hip hop can finally, you know what I'm saying, start
Speaker 1: getting some money. You understand, Look when drugs and guns ravage,
Speaker 1: and I say this the communities. Hip hop was there
Speaker 1: to give nigga's a job, you know, like niggas was
Speaker 1: making money off of hip hop. Man, that's a d
Speaker 1: M x DMX rappers whack. He sometimes he supported him
Speaker 1: because this rapper is giving at least six to eight
Speaker 1: people a job. My nigga, you come out of jail
Speaker 1: back then a good a job. You know. They ain't
Speaker 1: like that normal, you know. So it's just the fact
Speaker 1: that I just felt like they wanted to use a
Speaker 1: situation where the the white audience had its own image,
Speaker 1: you know, to really be at a high level of
Speaker 1: hip hop. What I was saying, the white people are
Speaker 1: already buying into the hoods in the black and Latino
Speaker 1: communities with hip hop. They don't need, we never need.
Speaker 1: Like Beastie Boys was the ship. Nobody gave a funk
Speaker 1: if there was white, black purple like you didn't see
Speaker 1: hip hip hop made it where you didn't see no color.
Speaker 1: When Eminem came he's a white rapper. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that they did that. I did the white
Speaker 1: rapper immediately, but you see, it has nothing to do
Speaker 1: it has see because the effects of that. I knew
Speaker 1: the effects of that, of what it is. Now the
Speaker 1: kids twitter me now like who's thirteen, twelve years old
Speaker 1: or a three? Oh fake gal Pacino? Ah, you Eminem
Speaker 1: killed you. I'm like, you know, nigga, you don't even know.
Speaker 1: And then my usic like like little man, you don't
Speaker 1: even know it's music. You're just taking on what you've
Speaker 1: seen on YouTube and automatically gravitating to that black against
Speaker 1: white ship like oh he's Eminem. And issue your issue
Speaker 1: was it wasn't an issue with me. The issue was
Speaker 1: I felt that that they were using his situation all
Speaker 1: right to separate hip hop to like you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying, to separate hip hop from the audience, you know,
Speaker 1: from from from white black audience. I mean I didn't then,
Speaker 1: of course, you know Jimmy ivenfousand now Jimmy, Jimmy when
Speaker 1: when you know, we was when all this was going on,
Speaker 1: we had met with Jimmy a couple of times. And
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Jimmy didn't want the problem.
Speaker 1: You know, Jimmy and I had actually done deals with Jimmy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was cool. It was cool, man, It was so
Speaker 1: what was like, I just knew what that was with
Speaker 1: me was again, I was just this repor that was like, look,
Speaker 1: you know, because you gotta remember, these kids had came
Speaker 1: up out of nowhere. These was his boys that came
Speaker 1: to the magazine with the tape. They had been trying
Speaker 1: to sell the tape. Yeah, oh, the guys from Detroit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they had to tape. You know. I was in Puerto
Speaker 1: Rico and Dave called me. Was like, these dudes in
Speaker 1: the office like on the next flight and they had
Speaker 1: been trying to sell the tape for over a year. Now.
Speaker 1: This was his boy, right, And do you believe like
Speaker 1: the story? We like that he said he said it
Speaker 1: was only happened because he had a black girlfriend. It's not,
Speaker 1: it's not it's not for me. Yeah, I don't go on, man,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Wait, wait, wait, hold on?
Speaker 1: What was made up that story that was that he
Speaker 1: had a black girlfriend? Car So you you did the
Speaker 1: research and you absolutely we did a lot of research
Speaker 1: when we did it Home story, Yeah, and that was absolutely.
Speaker 1: This is crazy. Nobody, I don't think nobody never knew that.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man like, but it's cool. It's cool. Man.
Speaker 1: He was a great guy. Met him. I met him once.
Speaker 1: It's cool. That's what it wasn't you know, when you
Speaker 1: really get down to it. We never met each other
Speaker 1: to make it personal. So I mean, I mean, of course,
Speaker 1: when when when you're going back and forth on record,
Speaker 1: you're gonna take shots at each other. That's what everybody do.
Speaker 1: He was used to separate the culture and to you know,
Speaker 1: take it, you know, with the the white audience always
Speaker 1: was the largest audience of hip hop, going back to
Speaker 1: the eighties run see you again, of me of the
Speaker 1: buyers of those albums, albums was white people. They was
Speaker 1: there the whole time. But eminem was used as a
Speaker 1: way to take those who white people and instead of
Speaker 1: making them, instead of making them the followers of the
Speaker 1: culture and the followers of the streets. Okay, now those
Speaker 1: people are used to basically control and dictate the culture
Speaker 1: to where the streets don't have no say no more.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much what eminem corporate radio comes in. Now,
Speaker 1: they can just cater to that and then separate the audience.
Speaker 1: But is there a problem with that? Like, of course
Speaker 1: there is because that takes that takes money out of
Speaker 1: the hood. But the same the same people who are
Speaker 1: buying from the hood and don't have to normal. But
Speaker 1: who is they when you say that they are using him?
Speaker 1: Is it the same people that j College talk about.
Speaker 1: They don't want you to win, they don't want you
Speaker 1: to water your plants, they don't want you to smoke weed.
Speaker 1: Is that the same days? I don't know. I just
Speaker 1: know what that. Look the people, the movers and shakers
Speaker 1: in this industry right here that control the vehicles. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm saying that the ones you know who who who
Speaker 1: you know? Big money, take no money, big bag, take
Speaker 1: little bank. You know what I'm saying, monopoly and everything else.
Speaker 1: Whatever you're gonna think, whatever you thought about it, how
Speaker 1: you think about it. You know what I'm saying. Folks
Speaker 1: always bought into hip hop. I'm gonna switch the subject
Speaker 1: a little bit because you're a pillar of hip hop.
Speaker 1: Both of you, guys, they're both are legends. You guys
Speaker 1: are still talking. You very dispect you leaving hum very just.
Speaker 1: I got perfect friends and pologized. But it's been a
Speaker 1: controversy going on right now right what's what African bamboo? Right?
Speaker 1: Caress One is on our show. I want to defend
Speaker 1: carrerass One because I got get some more brother. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so I had caress One on the show. I asked
Speaker 1: Harris One about the African banbada thing. Caress One, I
Speaker 1: don't want to say he dodged the question. He just said,
Speaker 1: that's my man. And once she said that's my man,
Speaker 1: I kind of got uncomfortable and I switched the subject.
Speaker 1: Plus after that. Before that, I was giving care of
Speaker 1: us mad my ties to get him drunk, similar to
Speaker 1: the how I'm doing with you right now. You're drinking
Speaker 1: Hennessy and drinking park grinds. The first person I'll to
Speaker 1: eat ball, Goddamn, it makes no noise for you know,
Speaker 1: the first person to bring balk shoulder to my career,
Speaker 1: but not the first person to eat ball on the
Speaker 1: Ring Chance podcast. What do you think about the African man?
Speaker 1: Bout the situation? Both of you guys, I don't even
Speaker 1: know the situation. Okay, all right, me need to do
Speaker 1: I don't you don't you know, I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know what the situation. You finish, what you're done, you're starting.
Speaker 1: Don't you be getting it? Come on, tell me a situation. Man.
Speaker 1: If you ain't know it, then you know I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not bringing in a situation. I'm come on, help
Speaker 1: me out. You gotta do you know not on that
Speaker 1: not of that situation. Let's tear it up. So the unsigned, hype,
Speaker 1: the mic system, the source of worlds, the algor, the
Speaker 1: joint with you on Mario winning, all of that. You
Speaker 1: did love in hip hop? I mean rock the party
Speaker 1: was we had a couple of we had a couple
Speaker 1: of shows, Rocket party. What what was out when that was?
Speaker 1: When it's loving hip hop thing? It wasn't presented to me.
Speaker 1: It wasn't okay, It just I was giving Stevie was
Speaker 1: staying with me, I was riding to the set, were
Speaker 1: staying together, you know, in Atlanta, and righting to said
Speaker 1: just chilling. And then you know they asked me um
Speaker 1: basically like you know, because I was talking to him
Speaker 1: already he has Michael, and I was just like yo,
Speaker 1: you know, you know, you just try to be monogamous
Speaker 1: and ship then it was like one woman, right, and
Speaker 1: then it was like what you said on camera? And
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I say it on camera. They
Speaker 1: miked me up and I was the first time I
Speaker 1: was on and I did that driving sea with him
Speaker 1: because you know what I'm saying, I was never casting
Speaker 1: for it then. So so what happened? Why why you
Speaker 1: not owned up? But hip hop? No more? What is that?
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a situation that happened, you know
Speaker 1: at the reunion you know, okay, you know where you
Speaker 1: know the last part snuff y'alls, like, let's just going
Speaker 1: out there. She is that what happened? A little bit?
Speaker 1: She trying to snuff your wife. Listen, every man and
Speaker 1: every world nigger in the world will will do the
Speaker 1: same thing. No, of course, you know, yeah, I'm gonna
Speaker 1: protect my right. It's not like you're a woman. But
Speaker 1: that's not that's not nothing like that. That's not what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. No, no, no, she's kind of you know,
Speaker 1: I'm choking on right. So why there's so many people
Speaker 1: who did so much worse things? And love and hip hop?
Speaker 1: Why do you do you think you're being? Like, just look,
Speaker 1: Love and hip hop was a great situation for me. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, it was something that I
Speaker 1: didn't know I was gonna be a part of. You know,
Speaker 1: I didn't bunch of seasons. A lot happened to me
Speaker 1: on that I got shocked, you know. Oh year, yeah
Speaker 1: you remember that's crazy. My mom's past, God bless yea. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that lot you say, yeah, So it's like a
Speaker 1: lot happened in those years just in my life. So
Speaker 1: it was you know, love and hip hop was deep. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, love and hip hop was you know, shout
Speaker 1: out to love and hip hop. Man, I got you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Like recently, ain't me talking? Man and Stevie was just
Speaker 1: back in the studio. You and Stevie. The crazy thing
Speaker 1: is you know how your your boy call you and
Speaker 1: your boys say, you know, he's like I always. I
Speaker 1: know your guys are brothers like y'are gonna. I know
Speaker 1: it's different, but you know what I'm saying, Like, I know,
Speaker 1: you guys got a lot of love for each other.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Do you think it was
Speaker 1: loving hip hop who separated y'all? Or you think yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean, you know what I mean? Money or no,
Speaker 1: not never the money because me and Sleeves ain't like
Speaker 1: out with us. It was definitely a situation with with
Speaker 1: with the you know, he was under presciures his situation.
Speaker 1: I was underprecious my situation. Things happened, you know, things happen,
Speaker 1: Things happen in relationships and family. And you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I don't think, you know, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I just don't think like I don't think. You know,
Speaker 1: when you do reality TV, man, you can like really
Speaker 1: try to hold it against somebody, because man, people do
Speaker 1: things just for the for these for these things, for
Speaker 1: the cameras, and it's like, you know, you gotta know that,
Speaker 1: you know, if the cameras wasn't there with it to
Speaker 1: be like that, there's no excuse for it, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So how did you guys work it out?
Speaker 1: It's just man, just gonna take time. Man, you say
Speaker 1: it wasn't you know what I mean? Time? Hells all?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. I mean both of us
Speaker 1: understood what happened, and you know, like where where we
Speaker 1: stood with each other, like we don't that was unfortunate?
Speaker 1: What what what took place there, and it was unfortunate
Speaker 1: took place on camera and ship. Like when you ask
Speaker 1: me if I regret things, I regret that. Okay, let's
Speaker 1: make some noise for that, goddamn because because another thing
Speaker 1: is like I didn't bring out there on love hip
Speaker 1: hop for none of that ship to be fighting and
Speaker 1: all that. Like, I'm not with none of that, to
Speaker 1: be honest, I'm really not with that because you know,
Speaker 1: we fight enough off camera, the fun out whole guys,
Speaker 1: why are we gonna go on camera? You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Not no, so I don't you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. It's just it just it just it was unfortunate. Man,
Speaker 1: it was something that happened. You know. Guys had the
Speaker 1: seven five seven group, right, yeah, seven fifty seven, Yeah,
Speaker 1: rest of the piece, Big Cap too, did Cat Cat
Speaker 1: get Big Cap? We love you? My brother Cap Cap
Speaker 1: had hosted the seven fifty seven tape that on that
Speaker 1: piff you go at that Piffe downloaded? Yeah, So that
Speaker 1: he passed away and then you guys come back together.
Speaker 1: That this was crazy about it because we wasn't together.
Speaker 1: He was he was like, yo, let me just put
Speaker 1: the music out, and he said, yo, I ran to
Speaker 1: Stevie and he said he's here. That's cool. When I
Speaker 1: was like, word this cause that we can put it out,
Speaker 1: that's dope. Mind you. Me and Steven wasn't talking two years,
Speaker 1: you know. And you guys were not only like the
Speaker 1: first people with the magazines and let the culture, not
Speaker 1: the first people were doing compilations under the coach. I
Speaker 1: remember you guys were the first people to own studios.
Speaker 1: I remember you own a studio in Manhattan. Was that
Speaker 1: called the Source? You own a big studio. I remember
Speaker 1: you asked me to do a verse or something or
Speaker 1: come meet you. And I came there. You know, the
Speaker 1: actually called me. I walked through. You guys had like
Speaker 1: they had to be like five million dollar studio. You
Speaker 1: walked in, you had blue carpet. It was I walked through.
Speaker 1: I know, I was like mad. We rolled up. I
Speaker 1: was like, yea, I'm gonna go outside and smoke. He
Speaker 1: was like, Cass, I've spoke for what spoken? Yeah, Like,
Speaker 1: you guys had all type of endeavors. Man, what's the
Speaker 1: next endeavor that you guys, Dave Mays and Ben Zino
Speaker 1: is gonna do? You really want to know, man, I
Speaker 1: really want to know manfact, your named this album on
Speaker 1: our on our podcast, give us something bad, because one
Speaker 1: of us goes, you know, crab traps everywhere, but you
Speaker 1: haven't talked about that, Benzino, crab traps in every city
Speaker 1: and my sauce and every supermarket. Let's do it make
Speaker 1: noise to sound bad? I don't know we're a madman.
Speaker 1: It's not wo man as I mean to say, sauce everybody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make it bad, it doesn't make it better. So, um,
Speaker 1: how did you come up with like me? I mean
Speaker 1: for the lamest, that's what you say, right, layman, for
Speaker 1: the layman, Like I knew, like one time Zeno King
Speaker 1: of the Crib. You know what I'm saying, it was
Speaker 1: something going on with it. Oh that's just straight parapple
Speaker 1: all right? This this ain't for straight parapple drinks because
Speaker 1: there's no more around. I'm gonna hit this armor down, man,
Speaker 1: go on, let me finish. So I knew you had
Speaker 1: love for cooking, right, but most people who got love
Speaker 1: for basketball doesn't mean they're gonna play in the NBA.
Speaker 1: What made you take this risk with this restaurant? I
Speaker 1: mean it was like a little risk. You know, crabs
Speaker 1: is low risks. I was only gonna do crabs. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I mean it was
Speaker 1: like a little small place I had been. Dave turned
Speaker 1: me onto the little Korean spot over there, Big Joy.
Speaker 1: It was in the same strip, Modest, Big Joy, Mariotta.
Speaker 1: It was already kind of built out as a restaurant,
Speaker 1: a little small spot like fifty square feet. So I said, man,
Speaker 1: it's perfect little crab spot. But the whole thing was
Speaker 1: I had to develop these sauces for it. I just
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna do like a crab old bass season. And
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying I want to do is
Speaker 1: I want to take it further. So it was like, um,
Speaker 1: I developed the sauces. The first one was like the
Speaker 1: Zeno sauce because I heard you win somewhere like l
Speaker 1: A and you've seen yeah La. It was like these
Speaker 1: Koreans like that's like they do crabs differently, where like
Speaker 1: they incorporate sauces with it. So I said, well, if
Speaker 1: I put my own twist all the sausage, see what
Speaker 1: happens to me. About four months to really like what
Speaker 1: Nelson was saying, did you think he was crazy when
Speaker 1: he wanted to go into the crab business. You guys
Speaker 1: are in the compilations. You guys are in the source
Speaker 1: of world. You guys are into music. You guys are
Speaker 1: into and now you want to sell fool like did you?
Speaker 1: I mean, he always wanted to do something like this.
Speaker 1: This is not He was always into had something on
Speaker 1: Miami Beach, remember that too, But he was he was
Speaker 1: certain about it was going to be. Remember, no, no,
Speaker 1: I got Pepper space. It's crazy. It's like it's like
Speaker 1: a rose just got hot. I walked in the club.
Speaker 1: This is what was it called, you know clubs? You
Speaker 1: know y'all. Ro was there. Jo Roule invites me going there,
Speaker 1: going there, all the six bottles of roles. I remember
Speaker 1: they had to be at least hunted the peaks. But
Speaker 1: I'm like, these things is doing? This was like your
Speaker 1: birthday or jib roll birthday. I don't remember. It's birthday,
Speaker 1: the job birthday. So I'm like, all right, cool, I'm
Speaker 1: not accident. Next from bottles, they got us all evishly,
Speaker 1: go to six bottles of rolls. She just came out
Speaker 1: and then and then a fight broke out and then
Speaker 1: Pepper sprayed the whole club. I sat there in preper suad.
Speaker 1: Let's go said he got this game that needed too
Speaker 1: bunch of money. My nigga, I'm drinking my bottles. I
Speaker 1: was like, it was all my good and it was like,
Speaker 1: you good. The whole club that I said, fuck, but
Speaker 1: you know how crazy it is the buy bottles just
Speaker 1: sit down and everybody else leave and you just really
Speaker 1: want to trick your ship funk that I don't even get.
Speaker 1: I'm saying, right here, give me one way, just ba
Speaker 1: And that was crazy. I got preppersuade the first time
Speaker 1: I got purpose, don't that was no best club was
Speaker 1: no best club? What is what is there now? It's
Speaker 1: it's it was It was American pattle. Now. That was
Speaker 1: the second flight at the second floor. Joint was on
Speaker 1: the second floor. That's the first plash was on the
Speaker 1: second floor. So I just want to let y'all know,
Speaker 1: like before we get up out of here, man, is
Speaker 1: there anything you want to get off y'all chests? If
Speaker 1: anything y'all want to, you know, get to the bottom line,
Speaker 1: you know, because I know I've been messing with you.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm just messing with you at least was jokes. No,
Speaker 1: I mean I just know. I'm just I definitely mean,
Speaker 1: I definitely been down to come do this. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Brother, I appreciate that. Thank someone. Thank
Speaker 1: you so much. Man. You guys bring in my corner forever.
Speaker 1: I that's something I gotta say. You know, Um, you
Speaker 1: guys been at my corner before we even messed with
Speaker 1: each other. But we wind up living in the same building,
Speaker 1: and it was something that it was. It was a
Speaker 1: peer of love, you know what I'm saying, Like, Um,
Speaker 1: there's a peer of love. It wasn't nothing like no
Speaker 1: fake that God Like, I need to get in y'all ship,
Speaker 1: like we're gonna handle each other. We're gonna you know.
Speaker 1: It was again, Oh yeah, that's what. That's what. That's
Speaker 1: what the reality show people were, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So it's the one thing, one thing I definitely need
Speaker 1: to know because don't y'all remember when we met that
Speaker 1: I wanted the documentary with y'all. Oh yeah about this,
Speaker 1: and you know, I'm glad we're finally here doing this,
Speaker 1: but this is not a good fun. When is a
Speaker 1: real serious documentary the legacy of the source, because that
Speaker 1: needs to happen now can't you do that or you
Speaker 1: would have to clear that? Um do they own it?
Speaker 1: They would have to be a joint clearance because they
Speaker 1: own the name now, so if it was to be
Speaker 1: like a thing, they would have to clear the name
Speaker 1: of us. We have to call it the force, right, oh,
Speaker 1: the creators of the soul you want? I mean, But
Speaker 1: I don't think Londa would have a problem with that,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? How about you calling the
Speaker 1: history I think the culture needs and as all us
Speaker 1: Source longdel has to be involved probefully, you know, because
Speaker 1: no problem with that. You know, it makes sense to
Speaker 1: do it like chronicles because we ain't got no be
Speaker 1: for nobody. But at the end of the day, the
Speaker 1: history is what it is. Everybody's gonna have their opinions.
Speaker 1: But the way I look at it's over now. You
Speaker 1: people gotta put that ship behind the move Now. Should
Speaker 1: there be a Source magazine story? Of course? Of course? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm saying of course it should be because um, I mean,
Speaker 1: and I'm not trying to start any controversial things. Do
Speaker 1: you ever just look at the source now and be like, damn,
Speaker 1: I'm upset how they took it like and not no, no,
Speaker 1: not only because of of of of how every other
Speaker 1: magazine like The Source really is the last at your
Speaker 1: sales going vibes going. I mean like Russell Simmonds. Russell
Speaker 1: Simmons is one of my icons', one of my idols.
Speaker 1: But when it didn't Comere really make the sauce cover. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think she did, Like that's not what y'all was
Speaker 1: on there. I think she did. She did. She was
Speaker 1: one of the first ones after we had got Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: after y'all did yeah, after because David we was doing
Speaker 1: right with Mary sitting on the ice. Yeah, iconic joint
Speaker 1: like Biggie over the buildings, iconic d you know, to
Speaker 1: the man with the ship all up in his nose,
Speaker 1: Like you know what I'm saying when you see like
Speaker 1: when you see like the putting like sports figures or
Speaker 1: like people who are models on the cover, Like are
Speaker 1: you disappointing? Yeah? Yeah, but I'm just saying, like the
Speaker 1: original sort like when you look at it now, like
Speaker 1: you walk through an airport, you're telling man, I don't
Speaker 1: look at it. Just doesn't It's it's a different time,
Speaker 1: you know, there ain't really I don't look at no
Speaker 1: magazines honestly, like hip hop Weekly fits fits the format
Speaker 1: of Today, but any other magazine like that, it's just
Speaker 1: a different time. Now. Everything is internet phone you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Everything seems to be internet and phone.
Speaker 1: Hip Hop Weekly works because of the format of how
Speaker 1: US weeklies you know of like US weeklies and everything.
Speaker 1: But you know, I just don't look at it like that. No.
Speaker 1: I mean, even if even if it was, I just don't.
Speaker 1: It's not in a time where it could shine anyways. Source,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, It just don't. So I
Speaker 1: know I kind of asked you this in a different way.
Speaker 1: So what's the new move man? Are you gonna stick
Speaker 1: with reality? Are you gonna uh continue with the with
Speaker 1: the magazine, or you guys are gonna do some phenomenal
Speaker 1: thing to change the culture again it's been You're about
Speaker 1: to celebrate thirty years and well, look we need another
Speaker 1: I'm saying hip Hop Weekly, TV, hip hop weely TV
Speaker 1: definitely me and out thing is about to um do
Speaker 1: your own show. Um that it's the first time you
Speaker 1: heard about that. I can't cancel on that work. I can't,
Speaker 1: but I can take that makes a noise. But we
Speaker 1: don't know, But I don't know but we still can't
Speaker 1: make a noise TV. We don't well we spread in
Speaker 1: the room, but we spread in the room. Don't got
Speaker 1: his own TV. I'm still don't. I'm still you're still working.
Speaker 1: I'm still working with Carlos King on next fifteen, season
Speaker 1: two on TV one looking like season two years season
Speaker 1: one success. And you know we're just crab trap man.
Speaker 1: And you know what I'm saying that sind you ever
Speaker 1: think you'll be doing reality went back from back then?
Speaker 1: No hell, no help. You know, if you if you
Speaker 1: still have the source being on top, you probably be
Speaker 1: like reality is not reality, not because it's reality TV
Speaker 1: is all what you make it. See, it's it's you know,
Speaker 1: if you if you make yourself a fool, you will
Speaker 1: be gonna be You're gonna be looked on as a fool.
Speaker 1: But you know what I'm saying, By at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, like you as long as you are
Speaker 1: who you are, and if you don't mind who you
Speaker 1: are and and and comfortable with who you are, then
Speaker 1: you could do reality TV. Well let's make a noise
Speaker 1: for you know, being political. You're right, you've been the
Speaker 1: brains behind the operation for ever. You would like being
Speaker 1: you like you like you know what I mean by that?
Speaker 1: It's like, you know what alcohol, this thing is bred
Speaker 1: all the chaser. He's a foul guy. He's my brother.
Speaker 1: He's also folk show. But um so I don't want
Speaker 1: to say people do something over because that's kind of corny.
Speaker 1: But um what you think this next big endeavor that
Speaker 1: you you want to do yourself? Now? I mean what
Speaker 1: I mean, like not what I was, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, just just the next big idea for you?
Speaker 1: What you think is that because you was the guy
Speaker 1: who invested in the internet and then people didn't believe
Speaker 1: who it didn't work at that time. But guess what,
Speaker 1: the Internet is working now. So that makes you nor Thomas,
Speaker 1: what is your next idea? You know, I think it's
Speaker 1: still that there's not there's not a voice for the
Speaker 1: culture in South there and and the culture is powerful
Speaker 1: because you know, you have what they call the millennials,
Speaker 1: which is the millennials make it happen, right, Well, that's
Speaker 1: that's the demographic that that all corporations are gonna be
Speaker 1: targeting for the next twenty or thirty years. And there's
Speaker 1: ninety five million of them. There was seventy eight million
Speaker 1: baby boomers. You heard of the baby boomers, I've never
Speaker 1: heard of where they were. They were the biggest largest
Speaker 1: previous generation in American baby boomers. Yes, yes, any hip
Speaker 1: hop that's that's really where to to be a voice
Speaker 1: for them. I think we think me a d G
Speaker 1: has filled that voice for the villenniums. Not on y'all level.
Speaker 1: We can never like the thing about it is a
Speaker 1: lot of people, a lot of people. They big up
Speaker 1: all podcasts because there's nineties stories and there's ninety babies
Speaker 1: that listen to it. But I could honestly say that
Speaker 1: I could never make the impact of the sources ever made.
Speaker 1: I could never make a system like I tried to.
Speaker 1: You know this drinking competition that we just had, you know,
Speaker 1: do we we try to do that. We're all guests.
Speaker 1: It's not like the fives. I'm trying to thank you Davy.
Speaker 1: He's a positive guy, man, how five day he's my friend, man.
Speaker 1: But this just makes a noise for motherfucking the original.
Speaker 1: So let's make some noise. Rousino drinking all the tracers,
Speaker 1: so now we gotta drink straight. So, man, guys, I
Speaker 1: want to I can't thank you're enough. Man. I know
Speaker 1: you guys didn't have to do that. I know you
Speaker 1: guys didn't have to fly in from l A. I
Speaker 1: know you guys didn't have to stop from whatever you
Speaker 1: guys are doing. I really appreciate it because people um that.
Speaker 1: Our listeners, they love these nineties stories, these eighties stories,
Speaker 1: these two thousand stories, these two thousands and ten stories,
Speaker 1: and these hip hop stories, and that's where we cater to.
Speaker 1: We're not trying to get the guy who's hot. We're
Speaker 1: not trying to get the guy who's on his press run.
Speaker 1: We're not trying to get the guy who's just happened
Speaker 1: to be around. We're trying to get legends who have
Speaker 1: real stories. And you guys came, you participated. You never
Speaker 1: stopped us one second. As you don't sweat it for
Speaker 1: a minute. He jumped off the camera for a man
Speaker 1: that he didn't stop. He came in. It has been
Speaker 1: a good sport and that's what this is all about.
Speaker 1: This is not about. This is about us getting together,
Speaker 1: getting drunk and telling stories. And you guys did what
Speaker 1: you had to do, and I can't thank you man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you gotta do it. Is there anything else any of
Speaker 1: you want to say I would like, man, Man, there
Speaker 1: was a pleasure pleasure here and it's gonna be a
Speaker 1: part and it's gotta be a yeah. But but but
Speaker 1: also let me thank you for um uh, you know
Speaker 1: you're the first guy who's on my food and on
Speaker 1: the podcast. You know say go play once too. I
Speaker 1: thought about it. Lay was to you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: but you're doing it live, then play. But um, I
Speaker 1: can't thank you guys enough man for let me into
Speaker 1: your life. You know, um, I do it with league.
Speaker 1: We play around with the stories and you guys are
Speaker 1: a great sport man. And what you guys could contribute
Speaker 1: it to hip hop could never be replicated. Just in
Speaker 1: case you guys didn't know, the things that y'all gave
Speaker 1: to hip hop, things that you gave to me personally
Speaker 1: is personally appreciated. I'm glad that I could later on
Speaker 1: in life call you guys my friends because you gave
Speaker 1: me love before you even knew me. And I'm glad
Speaker 1: that after we guys we knew each other, we continue
Speaker 1: our relationship. And I appreciate you guys being a part
Speaker 1: of this podcast. Brother, you know what I'm saying. I
Speaker 1: appreciate it the original source, the Goose. Let's not just
Speaker 1: focusing on me for a second. This is the dudes
Speaker 1: that made something that people call a hip hop bible.
Speaker 1: I don't care what you're doing hip hop. I don't
Speaker 1: give a funk what you try to replicate. I don't
Speaker 1: give a funk what you try to make. This is
Speaker 1: nothing that people are gonna call it the hip hop bible,
Speaker 1: my motherfucker. And listen, this is what I think. This
Speaker 1: is what I think. In a hundred years, the original
Speaker 1: Source magazines will be read like a hip hop bible.
Speaker 1: That's what I think. God bless you, motherfucker. Good night,
Speaker 1: God bless you. Motherfucker's we gotta some some touching ship.
Speaker 1: And they stood here and they took the heat. It's
Speaker 1: going down, drink chat podcast fun. I'm just going into
Speaker 1: let's go with in m