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He's a legendary queen's rapper, 0:00:38.479 --> 0:00:41.639 Hang Segue dies your boy, and he's a Miami hip 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:44.080 hop pioneer. What up is d j E F f N. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:46.640 Together they drink it up with some of the biggest 0:00:46.640 --> 0:00:49.040 players in music and sport. You know what I mean? 0:00:49.240 --> 0:00:53.640 The most professional, unprofessional podcast. This is drink ship Radar. 0:00:53.800 --> 0:00:59.920 Every day is New Year's e. Hey, Segrega Savva is 0:01:00.000 --> 0:01:13.720 your boy? This DJCE motherfucking podcast right now and right now, 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:16.920 I'm so excited, not because these people are my friends, 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:20.360 but before these people were my friends, I knew who 0:01:20.400 --> 0:01:22.880 they were doing. I've seen what they were doing. They 0:01:22.920 --> 0:01:28.120 are the people who edited, who architected the magazine business. 0:01:28.840 --> 0:01:34.600 Everybody bit over their blueprint after they made it, they 0:01:34.720 --> 0:01:39.640 tried to recreate it. These guys has been down for 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:43.920 twenty years or so. These guys have been doing it, 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:49.480 formed it. If you got four mics, you went gold instantly. 0:01:50.200 --> 0:01:53.200 Ship was called the classic. If you got five mics, 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:56.480 you probably went platinum instantly, but your ship was called 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:59.120 the classic. Around days, we don't have no type of 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.760 system at all. Your album just come out and as 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.200 long as to do with purple hair and dreadlocks say 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:06.760 your ship is good, you might work it. This is 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:08.560 not back in the days. Back in the days, it 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:10.360 was hard. Back in the days, you had to hit 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:12.640 the chickling circuit. Back in the days, you had to 0:02:12.639 --> 0:02:14.120 do what you had to do. And if you had 0:02:14.160 --> 0:02:15.960 to get on this magazine, you had to be privileged 0:02:16.000 --> 0:02:18.680 to be on this magazine. No knocking nuts. The nuts 0:02:18.720 --> 0:02:21.400 was making this magazine. Right now, we're talking about the 0:02:21.520 --> 0:02:25.080 co owner of the founders excuse me, let me correct me. 0:02:25.480 --> 0:02:29.520 Nothing the founders of the Source magazine right now in 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:39.079 the house. We got Dave Zeno make something I want 0:02:39.120 --> 0:02:41.120 to get straight to the points. You know. One day, 0:02:41.200 --> 0:02:46.120 me and Ja Rule was on the phone, Reular me Rule. 0:02:46.200 --> 0:02:47.600 We are like the three of me goes. We're like, 0:02:47.680 --> 0:02:50.200 we're like the first take of hip hop. We we 0:02:50.440 --> 0:02:54.960 we were going that. Yeah, yeah, I mean me, Me 0:02:55.200 --> 0:02:59.120 and me Ji Roule And I said, like Ja Rules said, 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:02.560 he said, I don't give a funk about the mic system, right, 0:03:02.600 --> 0:03:04.520 You remember he said that? And I said, that's because 0:03:04.560 --> 0:03:08.720 you only got three mikes. You remember that. But but 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.840 but I've always got four mikes. I always loved the 0:03:12.880 --> 0:03:15.720 mic system. The mic system is will help make my 0:03:15.880 --> 0:03:22.240 career make some noise for that whold on the first 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:24.639 time you called me up, you called me a backpack wrapper. 0:03:27.000 --> 0:03:30.919 First of all, I cared about the first he said 0:03:31.040 --> 0:03:32.959 that you thought that I was the one that didn't 0:03:33.040 --> 0:03:35.440 give you one and a a half. Yeah, and I'm gonna 0:03:35.480 --> 0:03:37.600 let it be known right now, right here, right here, 0:03:37.680 --> 0:03:39.800 all right, and this is this is like, we have 0:03:39.840 --> 0:03:43.040 no reason to lie. I can't do that as much 0:03:43.080 --> 0:03:49.240 as I want. But you don't say that. You come on, 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:53.200 so you told me that you thought I was the 0:03:53.200 --> 0:03:57.240 one that was that thought anything. I thought at one 0:03:57.280 --> 0:03:59.360 point that if the source anything that was bad in 0:03:59.480 --> 0:04:01.800 the source, Um, I thought that you had something to 0:04:01.800 --> 0:04:04.480 do with the bad part. And I thought, Dave, no 0:04:04.720 --> 0:04:07.760 know what you thought that I rated the Mic System. 0:04:07.800 --> 0:04:10.080 I thought that you rated the Mic System any bad 0:04:10.200 --> 0:04:15.800 article thing. I thought it was the straight for all 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.240 artist because Price said the same thing. And you know 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:21.520 what I'm saying, first time I met him, if you like, yeah, 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:25.280 I never ever by the way, I never ever ever 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:29.440 ever gave anybody Mike but set now you know, get 0:04:29.480 --> 0:04:31.200 into it. No, no, I'm just saying other than the 0:04:31.279 --> 0:04:33.719 situation that happened with you know what I'm saying the 0:04:33.760 --> 0:04:36.000 source myself and emin Now you know I'm saying, that 0:04:36.080 --> 0:04:39.160 was the only time the MIC System like I kind 0:04:39.160 --> 0:04:42.640 of I kind of put my authority, but even part 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:44.600 of my way. But wait, that's that's that's that's that's 0:04:45.120 --> 0:04:49.080 all the other hundred and ninety covers and Mike's and everything, 0:04:49.160 --> 0:04:51.440 I never had nothing to do with it. Like that's 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:54.600 a back round meeting of editors and people up there, 0:04:54.640 --> 0:04:57.680 and I never was once ever in any of those meetings. 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:00.960 But even yeah, no, but even still to this day, 0:05:01.279 --> 0:05:04.039 do you not realize how important the Mike syster was 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:06.280 I mean, I remember you was telling me like, yeah, 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:08.680 like I was. I was bugging that I was explaining 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.080 to you. I understood it, but didn't I didn't feel 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.760 it like y'all did. Wow. Wow, how about you dave you? 0:05:14.760 --> 0:05:16.480 You me and you want the same page that Mike 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.080 system and a lot to the culture. I mean, you know, 0:05:19.120 --> 0:05:22.200 we we serious. You know it was something that the 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.440 staff took seriously. You know the authenticity of it. So 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:28.599 you know it meant a lot. You got some good ratings, 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:31.600 got some great grating, keeping keeping real with me. I 0:05:31.680 --> 0:05:33.880 hadn't tell you rule just because you've got three Mike's job, 0:05:33.920 --> 0:05:38.560 that was your problem. Let me play devil's advocate. Alright, 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:41.400 but what's the my system of of of some people 0:05:41.800 --> 0:05:46.120 who might and especially as rap started territorializing, meaning Houston 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:48.600 had its own salad Bay Area had and some sound Okay, 0:05:48.600 --> 0:05:50.640 if you got a bunch of people up in the 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.320 office that not used to these sounds, and how New 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:56.799 York and how can they really rate your ship properly? 0:05:57.200 --> 0:06:00.280 And now that's that's number one? Then number two? Right, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:03.120 the business side of the game. There's two sides of 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:07.840 the souls. There's business and its editorial and you're the 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:11.800 lady childs are busy for getting technical no no, no, 0:06:11.800 --> 0:06:13.919 no no. But you're the label and your artists and 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.680 you're paying the advertising for your artists, right, but then 0:06:16.839 --> 0:06:18.960 editorials hitting you off for two and a half mics 0:06:20.520 --> 0:06:24.480 within that Now what now? Now? Now? What now? Now? Now? 0:06:24.480 --> 0:06:26.120 What do we do? You know what I'm saying. So 0:06:26.560 --> 0:06:30.159 it wasn't always as you know, Um, I think like 0:06:30.880 --> 0:06:33.080 what it was? You know what I'm saying. People people 0:06:33.240 --> 0:06:36.279 have different perspectives on things. My thing is like, you know, 0:06:36.360 --> 0:06:38.240 if you've got a song and you believe in it, 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.840 then okay, that's great that other people can that you 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.880 would want other people to rate it. But when you 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.840 think of again, it's just these are just human beings 0:06:45.839 --> 0:06:47.760 and people like you are to rate something to say 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.000 you like it or not. No, But I mean the 0:06:50.080 --> 0:06:53.320 times have changed. But back then, um, I think you 0:06:53.400 --> 0:06:55.039 got you guys. What did they say that was the 0:06:55.120 --> 0:07:00.719 hip hop Bible? Yeah? I understood it through the head bible. 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:06.400 I mean that did you did you feel like, you know, accomplishment? 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:10.240 People called it the hip Bible? Not I mean it 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.240 felt good, but I was always striving to keep going 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:18.920 to bigger thing. It wasn't that stopped to the source 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:25.880 was start. I remember my first like Sauce I actually bought, 0:07:25.920 --> 0:07:28.800 like I had other source magazines, but the first Sauce 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.440 I actually bought was the Massive Phill cover. I believe 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.000 that's the cover where now it's got five mics. Correct 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:37.760 when you say massive massive, when I say Massive Hill, 0:07:37.800 --> 0:07:41.600 it was I meant Gang Star and uh a d 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.600 Man And that was that was the issue coogle that 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:50.160 has Can you google that? Let's see if that's the issue, 0:07:50.160 --> 0:07:52.080 because you know, I don't we want to give out 0:07:52.160 --> 0:07:55.080 correct information. But that was my first source. I was 0:07:55.160 --> 0:07:57.840 in jail, and it meant so it meant I can't 0:07:57.840 --> 0:07:59.880 say it so much more than me because I would 0:07:59.880 --> 0:08:01.840 come home and hip hop kids will have the issue 0:08:01.920 --> 0:08:03.800 the same way. Well, I just want to convind you 0:08:03.840 --> 0:08:06.080 guys for making So did you know what you guys 0:08:06.080 --> 0:08:07.840 were doing when you make? Because he's you're from d C. 0:08:08.040 --> 0:08:11.320 Correct day and then you're from Boston. So how did 0:08:11.360 --> 0:08:13.880 how did your first link up to you already had 0:08:13.920 --> 0:08:16.360 the source out there or it was something y'all came 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.200 over together. He was in Harvard Harvid. Let's make some 0:08:19.280 --> 0:08:22.760 noise to day being in Harvard, you already already sold, 0:08:23.000 --> 0:08:28.400 was already that I was on Harvard Street was head 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.680 X all right, that's want to trust about so great? 0:08:35.080 --> 0:08:38.120 So that's why I might look it makes sense for me. 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:43.920 Ship the ship Google yours my first, that's my first. 0:08:43.920 --> 0:08:46.679 But um you so Harvard is in the hood. How 0:08:46.720 --> 0:08:50.600 the hell I'm saying Harvard? And because the schools in Okay, 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.880 it's in Cambridge. I started a radio show, hip Hop 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.640 to Mike, hip Hop radio show there on the Harvard 0:08:56.720 --> 0:09:00.520 radio stage. Give give David the drink, give another trick, 0:09:04.080 --> 0:09:06.320 ben Zeno and Dave. They are my friends. You can 0:09:06.400 --> 0:09:09.079 tell they my friends. They dugged out bottles of Armadale. 0:09:09.440 --> 0:09:11.960 It's not the Rocker brother no more. It is now 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:17.280 hip Hop Weekly sponsored. These are my friends. I'm not 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:20.080 We're gonna get you a love stories thinking there's a 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:23.160 lot of that man. We got family, the family like 0:09:23.280 --> 0:09:26.840 excuse people saying Frances brothers both for the man. That's right. 0:09:27.160 --> 0:09:30.599 So how does the Harvard guy and the way you 0:09:30.640 --> 0:09:35.160 for I'm from Roxberry, Dorchester, Massachusetts. How does the Harvard 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.520 guy look up link up with the Roxberry dorstes that 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:40.599 this is crazy? He was doing that. He was doing it. 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:43.280 The Harvard thing. I had a grouped the Almighty saying 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:47.920 Harvard like his life, Harvard, Yeah, but don't see the 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:51.160 Harvard things nigs in Boston. Harvard was just over there 0:09:51.160 --> 0:09:54.120 with the police setting white people. That's when they everywhere 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:57.080 else people are trying to get understand that. Yeah, prestigious, 0:09:57.120 --> 0:10:01.160 you know what I'm saying. Better the number one rap 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:07.280 group up there in Boston. Excuse me. Yeah, managed already, 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:09.000 but feeling different. So I went out to one of 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:15.120 the shows. That's why. Just before that's when we first met. 0:10:15.160 --> 0:10:17.120 I went out to one of these shows they were performing. 0:10:17.160 --> 0:10:22.360 I went out and introduced myself and told him about 0:10:22.400 --> 0:10:25.040 my radio show. I was hosting the show Street Beat, 0:10:25.080 --> 0:10:26.959 Go Go, Dave, you know, come on up. I want 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:28.960 y'all to come, you know, to an interview up on 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:30.520 my radio. So that's how we met, and then we 0:10:30.640 --> 0:10:36.080 just started a Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. Davis Davids 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:40.680 the blackest white person. He's definitely like everybody actor. I 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:44.160 don't even I've never looked at them. I know that 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.600 it just as black as me. I'm not black. Let's 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:52.920 make a man think he's gotta start clapping man stop 0:10:52.920 --> 0:10:57.240 having a conversations made me watch y'all. But then but 0:10:57.280 --> 0:10:59.800 then we ended up linking up and like, yeah you 0:10:59.800 --> 0:11:02.959 got radio station. You said that, and my DJ from 0:11:03.000 --> 0:11:05.880 me from the artist Soul ended up spending on his 0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:11.200 two times Yeah, okay. It was a station for classical 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:14.880 music and Dave Man get some hip hop on it. 0:11:15.559 --> 0:11:17.040 So Jeff went up there to be as d J. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:20.640 Jeff two times up Jeff two you know what I'm saying, 0:11:21.679 --> 0:11:25.720 and then you know what I'm saying. And then yeah, 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.160 then then from then we just started linking up. You know, 0:11:28.360 --> 0:11:31.080 I started, I started working with him and in the group. 0:11:31.760 --> 0:11:34.840 So I'm gonna get I'm gonna direct this question towards you. Now, 0:11:34.880 --> 0:11:37.440 I know Benzine, I don't know how smart he is, 0:11:37.720 --> 0:11:40.520 but the average person don't see that. How did you 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:44.400 see his genius day? I appreciate that, you know, I mean, 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:47.959 it's just always been a click from I mean beginning. 0:11:48.360 --> 0:11:51.079 It wasn't later on. I mean, of course it grew 0:11:51.200 --> 0:11:53.720 and it evolved over time, the relationship, but there was 0:11:53.800 --> 0:11:56.080 just you know, there was just something there, you know, 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.319 that's kept us together all these years. I Mean, there's 0:11:58.360 --> 0:12:01.959 definitely a respect man, he's your brothers man. He's a 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:06.200 he's a brilliant, brilliant person all the time. And you know, um, 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:16.080 when you got how did you know? How did you 0:12:16.160 --> 0:12:18.160 know when you met him that this is a guy 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:20.199 you're gonna partner off with? Like it was that the 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:23.800 first intention, Like hell no, Dave, Dave was just cool. 0:12:24.160 --> 0:12:25.800 We used to go to Harvard. But what I dug 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.920 about Dave was like Dave didn't need to be around 0:12:27.920 --> 0:12:31.000 a whole bunch of different dudes do low but really 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.400 was like he's from d C. So he really didn't 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.200 act the city. You know what I'm saying. Thing you know, 0:12:36.920 --> 0:12:39.680 like when when you're around one thing about racism, it 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.439 breaks down. A couple of things that breaks down is 0:12:42.520 --> 0:12:45.559 crimp crime, because no matter what, it don't matter if 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:48.400 you connected with somebody y'all doing some dirt, there's never 0:12:48.440 --> 0:12:50.880 no racism. He could be Irish, Italian, black, if y'all 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:53.200 at homeboys, y'all you feel me. But then it just 0:12:53.240 --> 0:12:56.240 goes on like it was like, Okay, he's at Harvard, 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:58.480 I'm overhead. Damn, he's kind of cool, you know what 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.880 I'm saying. Fucking let's go see with overheads like funk 0:13:01.960 --> 0:13:04.280 with David And was he the first person that when 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:06.080 you spoke to him and you said, maybe I could 0:13:06.080 --> 0:13:08.840 get out the streets. No? You you wanted to get 0:13:08.840 --> 0:13:11.040 out the streets. Oh no, you didn't want to get 0:13:11.040 --> 0:13:13.920 on the streets. No. Yeah, I was wilding her, not 0:13:13.960 --> 0:13:17.800 just that. We was husting everything for you know what? 0:13:17.880 --> 0:13:21.120 Never watched that he had a record label movie surrender. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.240 We know you staying up? I did. We're gonna talking 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.040 about that story too. You talking about Thinkers. No, I 0:13:27.040 --> 0:13:29.200 didn't know. It was a trip. He was ten ninety, 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:31.760 you know that. That's is that how it happened. It 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:36.360 was night and we can talk about that later later 0:13:36.720 --> 0:13:39.480 stink back on the show. Okay, pick up to Paul 0:13:39.559 --> 0:13:42.440 piss right? Yeah? Cool now? Yeah it was cool then? Okay, 0:13:42.480 --> 0:13:44.880 cool one. You know Roders want to come up here. 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.560 You know he might the story I heard why she she? 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:58.160 I remember that? Trust remember that. So let's let's let's 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:04.560 let's talk about it. You just made the transition to reality. 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:08.120 But before you made the transition to reality, right, you 0:14:08.120 --> 0:14:10.559 didn't give a funk about telling the industry to kiss 0:14:10.600 --> 0:14:14.680 your hass? How did that? How did that attitude derived? 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:17.040 Like It wasn't. No, it wasn't. It was just different times, 0:14:17.640 --> 0:14:19.560 you know what I'm saying. Back then, you know, you 0:14:19.560 --> 0:14:21.280 know what I'm saying, it was just I don't know, 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:24.440 you know, from Boston, always kind of always got a 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:27.480 little revel I'm older, so I got a little revolutionists 0:14:27.480 --> 0:14:30.360 in me, you know, back then? Yeah, you know, because 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.080 I mean, you know what I'm saying, because it's like 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.320 you you're seeing, you're seeing the struggle, and you're looking 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:39.120 at things that ain't right, and you know you're seeing 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.120 people being politically correct. I really don't understood still what 0:14:42.160 --> 0:14:45.400 that was, as much as I do now, you know 0:14:45.400 --> 0:14:48.080 what I'm saying. But back then I felt like that 0:14:48.280 --> 0:14:50.840 I had I had no political correctness. That's when you 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.240 know you're like, you're a real revolutionaries when you have 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:55.960 no political correctness. I don't think I'm that anymore because 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:59.880 I have a lot of politically correctness and the reasons that, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:04.400 be honest, I do not but that but that that 0:15:04.440 --> 0:15:07.720 don't that don't take away you know that that's don't 0:15:07.720 --> 0:15:10.160 won the hood. This is different the hoods there. You know, 0:15:10.280 --> 0:15:12.000 I didn't done that, But I'm saying as far is 0:15:12.080 --> 0:15:15.840 really given the fuck for the betterment of our culture. 0:15:16.440 --> 0:15:23.040 Actually shot of hens about to go deep balls balls 0:15:23.840 --> 0:15:25.680 look at you know, I love you don't get drunk. 0:15:25.680 --> 0:15:27.120 Do you remember the time he got drunk and you 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:33.640 left in the wheel chair. I don't drink. I don't drink, remember, Yeah, yeah, 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:42.560 I don't get him like him. Yeah, listen, listen. There's 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:45.040 no Snapchat, there's no Instagram, I mean none, So people 0:15:45.120 --> 0:15:52.000 had to actually listen to my story on this. You know, 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:54.920 he walked to the hotel and it was like I 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:56.800 care walk they would and got him a wheel chair. 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:01.680 I was like, oh my god, the body right, there 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:06.920 was no everything he makes really a drink, like a drink. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:08.720 And then he started making He started hanging out with 0:16:08.760 --> 0:16:10.560 maybe though. You know what I noticed when you get 0:16:10.560 --> 0:16:13.040 fund us, when you mix s, you can't see why. 0:16:13.200 --> 0:16:16.320 You just all over the place. But but that's how 0:16:16.320 --> 0:16:20.560 they drain, like the sunny made me and sunny. Yeah. 0:16:20.640 --> 0:16:22.120 I don't go for a Dave drink like that too. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:25.760 Dave is a day. Let me just tell you about Dave. Listen, 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:27.520 I'm hung out with Dave, just like I hung out 0:16:27.560 --> 0:16:30.400 with you, and Dave. He'd be dropped. He'd just be quiet, 0:16:31.200 --> 0:16:35.880 like you sunny, keep me fucked up, he'd be quiet different. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:36.880 --> 0:16:45.160 just the little boy. Yeah, it's a transsexual drinking anything. 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.480 I said it wrong? Dry sexual? Right, she tried anything 0:16:51.080 --> 0:16:55.840 my bad, my bad, bad badly. So see, you know, 0:16:56.480 --> 0:16:58.960 let's go because you know we're on the podcast. I'm 0:16:59.000 --> 0:17:01.560 still waiting for the time. Always had to ask this question. 0:17:04.200 --> 0:17:07.520 Mix man, did you have anything to do with that? 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.520 Mix man? Listen, listen. You know what I'm beyonest with 0:17:11.600 --> 0:17:14.280 your right. It's like you know, you know, like when 0:17:14.280 --> 0:17:17.760 you when you have um relationships. You know what I'm 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:21.840 saying in the industry, male and female friends. You know 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:24.960 what I'm saying, like your friends, like your grand relationship friends. 0:17:24.960 --> 0:17:26.919 That's two different friends. I'm saying, like when you when 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:29.600 you when you're dealing with covers and magazines, it's all 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.480 about relationships with the with the artists. You know what 0:17:32.520 --> 0:17:34.600 I'm saying. With the person. You know what I'm saying, 0:17:35.400 --> 0:17:37.960 You got to talk to us for real. He's pro 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.880 he's probate. Oh no, I think I answered that correctly. 0:17:41.160 --> 0:18:04.320 When you smash, you can't say we come on classic an. 0:18:05.640 --> 0:18:07.679 This is the rule on the street, because you know 0:18:10.400 --> 0:18:16.920 the street got down out of everybody wanted the respect 0:18:16.960 --> 0:18:21.480 for you and my girl. Room, I wouldn't even you 0:18:21.480 --> 0:18:24.600 know what I'm saying. But I'm just saying no, no, no, no, 0:18:24.720 --> 0:18:27.400 because you know, you know I'm saying, just as as gentlemen, 0:18:27.440 --> 0:18:29.080 we don't we you know, we don't kiss and tell 0:18:29.240 --> 0:18:31.359 you know what I'm saying, we don't. We don't kiss him. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:34.240 Tell as as gentlemen, you know what I'm saying. That's 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:36.480 just the room on the street. I'm saying. There's a 0:18:36.480 --> 0:18:44.080 lot of people. Lady said that, a lot of people 0:18:44.359 --> 0:18:48.879 who wanted to do reckets. But it's a rule of 0:18:48.920 --> 0:18:52.840 that you actually would would both of them. I think, 0:18:53.320 --> 0:18:55.480 I think I think people makes a noise for that 0:18:55.880 --> 0:19:06.639 nose even it was just a room. It's back you 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:09.280 met your wife was back in the day. Listen, listen, 0:19:08.960 --> 0:19:12.440 let's listen. Let's say because I'm going I'm going straight 0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:21.320 take think about oh man, you yeah, I told me 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.879 you want to do this. I don't know if you're 0:19:23.880 --> 0:19:28.320 made from the angle black. I'm a media guy now, 0:19:28.520 --> 0:19:32.960 like it's roses, reverse the roses first, you know, David, 0:19:33.240 --> 0:19:34.879 you know, just to hit me with his interviews and 0:19:34.920 --> 0:19:38.639 guess what I'm hitting you all from son. Let you know. 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:41.960 When you know the tower, you know what to be about. Honestly, 0:19:42.000 --> 0:19:46.560 it's about relationships. It's about relationships with everybody in this business. David, So, 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:50.040 who you would say it's better tell him? David, you 0:19:50.040 --> 0:19:55.760 would say, I'll say, so, who would you say it's 0:19:55.800 --> 0:20:00.919 better wrapping? Rapping with your A way you want to answer, 0:20:00.920 --> 0:20:07.680 it's all be honest with you. We have both of them. Really, 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:12.760 it's gonna come in time. You gotta saying. They're saying 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:18.159 we together. No, no, no, I'm gonna you were not. 0:20:18.200 --> 0:20:20.840 Iagine nothing. We're gonna play a game. He's trying to 0:20:20.920 --> 0:20:24.119 hip hop. You know a lot of people on hip 0:20:24.160 --> 0:20:28.320 hop that was bullshit. We're gonna play a game. If 0:20:28.320 --> 0:20:31.120 you don't want to answer the question, you're gonna take 0:20:31.160 --> 0:20:33.640 a shot. All right, all right, but I gotta port 0:20:33.640 --> 0:20:36.080 a shot. What you mean that's the way you gotta go. 0:20:37.080 --> 0:20:39.280 I'm gonna ask you a certain random questions if you 0:20:39.359 --> 0:20:41.320 don't want to add this is a drake chap. Okay, okay, 0:20:41.320 --> 0:20:43.679 but but but don't no, no, no, no, we have 0:20:43.720 --> 0:20:46.639 to compromise that. Wait, you don't, no, no, Let the 0:20:46.640 --> 0:20:51.359 shots be preportant. We agree, on that. P's not gonna 0:20:51.400 --> 0:20:54.880 let you put a shot that we'll be dancing out 0:20:54.920 --> 0:21:00.640 the small phone. That's that's that's a shot. You're my friend. 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:02.680 Let me get awake a little bit, Let me a 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:06.760 little bit so which one is bad? Oh no, no, no, 0:21:06.760 --> 0:21:08.280 no no, I'm gonna tell you which one is better 0:21:08.280 --> 0:21:12.840 than they both? Incredible? Great way to answer. That's that's 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:20.000 how a gentleman answers. Okay, they never say that A 0:21:20.040 --> 0:21:25.760 little bit man, this little bit man. Maybe five mis 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:27.840 I'm a fait private person when it comes to any 0:21:27.880 --> 0:21:32.560 type of situation, novel work, five mikes you there um 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.720 in your opinion, she didn't get fine. I thought she 0:21:34.760 --> 0:21:37.199 got phone app No, I think I think she got five. 0:21:38.080 --> 0:21:41.240 She got five? Okay, you know what you're with the 0:21:41.320 --> 0:21:44.240 name of that APT No, because I don't know I 0:21:44.280 --> 0:21:48.440 know what my my, my? Do you think she should 0:21:48.440 --> 0:21:53.160 have got five? Drake? Good? You ain't good? You'll answer 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:55.440 you the question. I actually do you think she wish 0:21:55.440 --> 0:21:57.440 she should have? A media? Guy? Well, I'm ask you, 0:21:57.560 --> 0:22:07.040 why are you pointing up on me like a check y' 0:22:07.560 --> 0:22:11.560 with Listen? Listen, listen, we don't gi night you're gonna 0:22:11.600 --> 0:22:14.960 play this game? Now play this. Well heard you the 0:22:15.000 --> 0:22:19.199 grape Vine at one point he was in love with 0:22:20.840 --> 0:22:30.960 what the met were talking. I'm going back, I'm going 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:38.399 goes to me. I'm like, I'm going back to here. 0:22:39.560 --> 0:22:40.760 I just want to see if you're gonna take the 0:22:40.800 --> 0:22:43.040 shot of night and I'm moving on from here. I 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:47.000 wanna see you to take this shot at night. I'm 0:22:47.000 --> 0:22:48.880 gonna see if you take the shot on that first 0:22:48.880 --> 0:22:51.640 in all, First of all, it's all about this, relationships, 0:22:51.640 --> 0:22:53.840 just about this, and we don't know what is about 0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:58.320 I watch all your pass none of the big none 0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:06.560 of this. I'm pretty a got the revertation. You've got you, 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:11.320 I love drink to that. If I love you, Oh, 0:23:11.480 --> 0:23:16.560 you know you're trying drink you take the whole shot. 0:23:16.600 --> 0:23:20.160 I want to see it. Take the whole shot. It's 0:23:20.200 --> 0:23:23.119 going down, it's going down. So you was five. I 0:23:23.160 --> 0:23:25.040 love it. You got yo got you got a good 0:23:25.119 --> 0:23:27.840 hit list man, come over here, come on here. When 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:29.679 you're hit listen, you gotta brag like this has been 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:32.679 a past in the past. Let's come on, come come 0:23:32.720 --> 0:23:51.280 on yours shot. Thank you for getting a good sort. 0:23:51.480 --> 0:23:56.200 You know't you even look at me like we be 0:23:56.280 --> 0:23:59.320 premeditating this. I'm sorry, but listen, so let's get back 0:23:59.359 --> 0:24:01.119 to the let's get act right now. But it's the 0:24:01.200 --> 0:24:05.800 number one podcast right now, number one intemy want to 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:08.720 call him the enemy, but even if he's going to 0:24:08.760 --> 0:24:11.320 go somewhere, So listen. You know, I'm still shook up 0:24:11.320 --> 0:24:16.720 from the left. The fuck up. It's all rumors. It's 0:24:16.720 --> 0:24:20.080 all rumors. This is all rumors. Say the drink Chace 0:24:20.200 --> 0:24:22.400 under the story is our actual faction? I'm nice? Where 0:24:22.440 --> 0:24:27.680 actually my house drunk before? You're not? That's the hard question? 0:24:27.760 --> 0:24:30.000 Or no, no, no, let's let's keep it back. So 0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:34.480 one of our direct competition people is a guy named 0:24:34.520 --> 0:24:39.080 Elliott Wilson. That was our son? Was employed by you? 0:24:40.040 --> 0:24:41.879 Where did he work for you? All? That that was 0:24:41.920 --> 0:24:45.359 our son? Okay, you want to think that was our son? 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:50.520 I don't want to talk. Let's go, let's go exactly. Okay, 0:24:50.720 --> 0:24:53.280 So what happened that he was a music? That he 0:24:53.320 --> 0:24:56.840 was a music? When you heard what do we adopt him? Like? 0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.680 So what do you say him? Who do we adopt him? 0:25:00.720 --> 0:25:04.800 Did you say you'll put him all? But the people 0:25:04.800 --> 0:25:11.040 who put Okay, so getting my nice n He was 0:25:11.080 --> 0:25:14.120 a cool guy. He's a cool guy. I just put 0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:15.600 in this space. No no, no no no no no 0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:20.320 no no no. This was after was way after Davis. 0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.840 He was never one years. He was assistant used to 0:25:25.960 --> 0:25:30.200 music at this is probably like ninety seven ninety years. 0:25:30.200 --> 0:25:33.080 He used donna get the phillies in the Dutch. Nah, 0:25:33.119 --> 0:25:39.520 I don't say that because after he remember us to 0:25:39.760 --> 0:25:42.960 get our lunch, the lunch you order me back then 0:25:43.000 --> 0:25:45.720 let me see probably like some some wings and some 0:25:45.800 --> 0:25:48.160 over ship whatever. But he used to get the lunch. 0:25:48.240 --> 0:25:49.800 You know what I'm saying. I mean like he was 0:25:49.880 --> 0:25:55.520 like what it was lunch for me? I mean he 0:25:55.640 --> 0:26:01.239 was you know, he was. He was a getting label. 0:26:03.840 --> 0:26:07.720 Was six years about for so you guys put them 0:26:07.720 --> 0:26:12.920 on you gloom you him everything, he knows everything he's 0:26:13.000 --> 0:26:14.960 seen at the source he brought over there. In an 0:26:15.000 --> 0:26:17.840 extent said which, by the way, parents just went under 0:26:17.880 --> 0:26:23.240 Harris Publications. So let me tell you why, because remember 0:26:23.280 --> 0:26:25.440 it was always them against us, and now since we're 0:26:25.480 --> 0:26:29.000 Hip Hop Weekly, we actually outlasted Harris Publications. So we're 0:26:29.000 --> 0:26:35.320 gonna make some noise. That's big. That's big because after 0:26:35.320 --> 0:26:37.439 we lost the souce, they thought it was over for us. 0:26:37.560 --> 0:26:40.399 You feel me. We was banishing into a question and 0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:42.680 we're gonna get back to Elliott. It's it's great for us, 0:26:43.200 --> 0:26:47.360 but um the new sauce. Have you level border new 0:26:47.440 --> 0:26:52.199 Sauce and just look through it? Not like this recently. Now, 0:26:52.200 --> 0:26:54.159 I would never I would never buy you. But we 0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:57.640 will never buy it because it was once your company. 0:26:57.720 --> 0:26:59.800 Or you'll never buy it because their content is just 0:27:00.119 --> 0:27:04.320 both both check check. You know what I'm saying. It 0:27:04.680 --> 0:27:07.760 ain't not shipping eighteen years. A lot of things went 0:27:07.800 --> 0:27:10.080 through us with that, a lot of good, bad and ugly. 0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:14.600 So that was cool with Lindale Manila, right what everybody everybody, yeah, 0:27:14.840 --> 0:27:19.320 is our lawyer? Lawyer? Everybody was out lawyer back then 0:27:19.320 --> 0:27:22.439 everybody was man. We had man with so many men, 0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.240 we worked with so many motherfuckers. Was crazy. He was 0:27:25.280 --> 0:27:28.159 trying to something like under the table like he was 0:27:28.240 --> 0:27:33.080 your lawyer. So oh god, no, he just jumped in on. 0:27:33.320 --> 0:27:35.600 He just wants to be us. You see a lot 0:27:35.600 --> 0:27:38.440 of these motherfucker's thought that once they noticed the truth, 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:41.320 it's the truth. It's the truth. Like when Black Enterprise 0:27:41.359 --> 0:27:43.800 took the magazine look at, Look At Look. Let me 0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:45.720 tell y'all a secret right, Me and Dave went to 0:27:45.760 --> 0:27:49.680 Bob Johnson right right before Johnson our view as a 0:27:49.800 --> 0:27:51.920 dumb that's the guy who used to own own BT 0:27:52.040 --> 0:28:00.040 before he's so BT for three billion dollars. Goddamn it, 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.920 if you're gonna do a foul story, I think he 0:28:03.280 --> 0:28:04.840 used to own Sholotte when he's want to sold the 0:28:04.840 --> 0:28:10.240 Hornets to Jordan's Jordan. You know, so some long story show. 0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.800 You know we um, you know we we We was 0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:14.840 in the whole thirty million like with a bank loan. 0:28:15.480 --> 0:28:17.240 So you know, Bob, what means you had to at 0:28:17.320 --> 0:28:21.040 least make sixty seventy million. Bob weren't make some noise 0:28:21.080 --> 0:28:28.919 for y'alli is killing the game. I'm sorry. It was 0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:31.520 those days was crazy. So y'all was in the hole 0:28:31.560 --> 0:28:33.880 and he kind of saying that he wanted to buy 0:28:33.880 --> 0:28:37.399 the magazine straight out directly. So we flew to his 0:28:37.480 --> 0:28:40.880 office and it was at this time, was d C, 0:28:41.040 --> 0:28:47.080 d C. No, it's Bob Johnson, Bob Johnson, I'm okay, 0:28:47.480 --> 0:28:52.000 so um, you know he wanted we wanted, We wanted 0:28:52.000 --> 0:28:55.360 eighty million. Four We weren't asking for eighty million, and 0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.600 he was. He came out and he came back, he said, 0:28:57.760 --> 0:28:59.840 I write you a fifty five million dollar check today, 0:29:00.640 --> 0:29:02.360 And we was looking back, you know, since you said, 0:29:02.360 --> 0:29:04.000 you know, Bob, give us so many. We went in 0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.200 the room and Dave was just us too, and we 0:29:06.280 --> 0:29:09.480 figured after like paying off the bank, loans and taxes 0:29:09.480 --> 0:29:11.120 and everything else, who would end up with a few 0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:14.040 million dollars a piece. The whole thing about the source was, 0:29:14.080 --> 0:29:16.040 and I say that to say this, the whole thing 0:29:16.080 --> 0:29:20.680 about the source was that how dysfunctional? This just how 0:29:21.240 --> 0:29:25.080 as dysfunctional? How do you said? I always get dysfunctional? 0:29:25.560 --> 0:29:29.040 As it may have seen the relationship between me and David, 0:29:29.160 --> 0:29:30.800 how it was was kind of made. The source with 0:29:30.960 --> 0:29:33.760 it was Dave been from college on being from the streets. 0:29:34.000 --> 0:29:35.840 It just came from two perspectives. And that's how we 0:29:35.920 --> 0:29:38.000 ran the magazine. You know what I'm saying that, like, 0:29:38.240 --> 0:29:40.920 you know, we didn't want to lose the source and 0:29:40.920 --> 0:29:44.080 then be like, okay, we're not still runnings of it, 0:29:44.240 --> 0:29:47.960 because we know how it's almost like a call like 0:29:48.160 --> 0:29:52.440 gave five, but you're not, y'all gone gone and we 0:29:52.520 --> 0:29:54.920 just come how about you? David? You didn't like that 0:29:54.960 --> 0:29:56.800 as well? Now we do, you know, we won't understand 0:29:56.800 --> 0:29:59.880 involved because we say how bigger things, you know, I mean, 0:30:00.000 --> 0:30:01.720 specially with the Social awards we did saw so all 0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.240 Access TV. I mean, we was doing major things. But 0:30:04.320 --> 0:30:08.239 the problem was me and Dave wasn't with everybody like 0:30:08.280 --> 0:30:10.320 in New York and that and that and that, Like 0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:12.800 up there, it's like a club of dudes that been 0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:14.680 in and out, you know that, Norman. You know what 0:30:14.680 --> 0:30:17.280 I'm saying. In those offices up in New York, in 0:30:17.320 --> 0:30:20.480 the industry, it's the same people that just revolved from 0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:22.840 office to office to office because they all feel comfortable 0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:24.840 with each other. And God bless them because I've dealt 0:30:24.880 --> 0:30:26.040 with a lot of them. I've made a lot of 0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:27.960 money with them. So I have nothing bad to say 0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.120 by anything. But I just don't think that me and 0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:33.000 Dave was a part of that, you know what I'm saying. 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:34.920 And by that meeting, you know, we had our own 0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.760 independent views. We didn't have to be politically correct, We 0:30:37.760 --> 0:30:41.000 didn't have to kiss no ass because it stopped up here. 0:30:41.120 --> 0:30:43.200 We didn't have to answer to nobody. You know. You 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.480 guys were like the first like major media company to 0:30:46.600 --> 0:30:49.800 invest in online media. I remember that early. That's how 0:30:49.840 --> 0:30:52.800 we lost them. That's ultimately how we lost. That's how 0:30:52.840 --> 0:30:58.520 we I thought that was that was going to see 0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:01.880 the telling that it was me just investing early when 0:31:02.080 --> 0:31:04.080 when the dot com came out, when it was all 0:31:04.080 --> 0:31:06.600 that's going crazy with that, that's when I went out. 0:31:08.240 --> 0:31:11.320 I bet the magazine on the internet, and when I'm 0:31:11.360 --> 0:31:14.600 borrowed ten fifteen million dollars and started. This was like 0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:18.160 seven years before the world songs gone. Like know what 0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:19.760 I'm saying. It was just too early with the bank. 0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:24.240 It just nobody understood. We was waiting and everything. But Dave, 0:31:24.400 --> 0:31:26.719 it gotta feel crazy now for you to know that 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:30.200 you had the vision for what because why you invested 0:31:30.240 --> 0:31:33.320 all that money. You actually seen where it's gonna be now, 0:31:33.520 --> 0:31:35.920 So I gotta feel crazy that maybe it didn't work, 0:31:36.200 --> 0:31:39.600 but your idea was one correct. You know that, right? 0:31:40.040 --> 0:31:42.960 I mean, you know we'll see anywhere we vote for me. 0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.440 But that's real though. It was was right young and 0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:50.760 they invested. He asked me, I was, I don't know. 0:31:50.840 --> 0:31:52.840 I don't know nothing about that ship. Okay, I don't 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:55.600 know nothing about computers under that funk all that, and 0:31:55.720 --> 0:31:57.960 just I don't know what then it is? Step stop? 0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.160 Was it was it y'all y'all cool with step Stole mean, 0:32:00.200 --> 0:32:01.760 you know what I'm saying, Steve is like somebody that 0:32:01.800 --> 0:32:03.680 we've always had that love hate thing with. You know, 0:32:04.320 --> 0:32:06.920 we've got money with him too. We broke bread with him. 0:32:06.960 --> 0:32:10.719 But then Steve has another side of him that is 0:32:10.800 --> 0:32:13.320 about that again, like that crew, you know, I called 0:32:13.360 --> 0:32:15.960 it that crew. You know what I'm saying. And me like, 0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.160 you know, I'm just saying, like you know, at the 0:32:18.240 --> 0:32:21.120 end of the day, the other side, you know what 0:32:21.160 --> 0:32:23.720 I mean, Like there's there's there's a few sides, you 0:32:23.760 --> 0:32:25.440 know what I'm saying, And that's what what I say. 0:32:25.480 --> 0:32:27.280 I just think that me and Dave was too a 0:32:27.320 --> 0:32:29.720 little bit rough under the edges phim we wasn't we 0:32:29.880 --> 0:32:32.920 wasn't status quo, and the source was getting only like 0:32:33.480 --> 0:32:36.640 wanted to do Steve to the whole advertising business. Peter, 0:32:37.040 --> 0:32:39.600 Now that was his first partner in the advertising business. 0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.120 When you know, when I met Steve, he was, you know, 0:32:42.200 --> 0:32:44.840 working with kids and playing like Carrie and records the 0:32:44.920 --> 0:32:59.760 kid and play Welcome to play a new podcast network 0:33:00.040 --> 0:33:04.400 during radio and TV personalities, talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, 0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:08.880 and more. Play it at play dot It we're back 0:33:08.960 --> 0:33:12.520 to drink Champs Radio with rapper and R and d J. 0:33:13.160 --> 0:33:18.280 Then you see in this industry a lot of people 0:33:18.560 --> 0:33:20.800 we don't get all props when we do the right thing. 0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.000 So we're gonna get to the crap bottom of the story. 0:33:23.080 --> 0:33:25.840 So you the guy who introduced him to the advertisement 0:33:25.920 --> 0:33:29.320 firm that he started working with and they started doing 0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:33.360 the reboxing thing and all absolutely absolutely he got he 0:33:33.520 --> 0:33:35.120 he was working up at R C A Records. He 0:33:35.160 --> 0:33:36.760 was an A and R up there for a little while. 0:33:37.880 --> 0:33:42.479 Gave a deal. He used to give me budgets for videos. 0:33:42.560 --> 0:33:44.400 You know what I'm saying. I was getting money here, 0:33:44.520 --> 0:33:47.520 like budgets to do videos. Take the fifteen stacks. I 0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:50.760 go do the video for like five stacks. You don't 0:33:50.760 --> 0:33:53.240 saying preten you know I'm saying. I remember one time 0:33:53.280 --> 0:33:55.400 some should have I got locked up and I had 0:33:55.480 --> 0:33:57.800 had spent all the money came to ballstos like yo, 0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:00.640 and it was for this white artist name base Blast 0:34:00.680 --> 0:34:09.120 out of Connecticut've never yeah, Yo, they gave me fift 0:34:11.880 --> 0:34:14.480 That's this is before this was like one of the 0:34:14.520 --> 0:34:16.560 first he could Steve been trying to do this white 0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:21.600 rapper thing for you know, Steve had visions of this 0:34:22.160 --> 0:34:25.399 of a white crossover rapper. He was the first one 0:34:25.480 --> 0:34:27.960 to really have visions of this, you know what I'm saying. 0:34:28.000 --> 0:34:29.759 I'm sure that people had in their mind, of course 0:34:29.920 --> 0:34:31.960 when Vanilla Ice came up, But I'm saying far as Steve, 0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:35.160 he was seeing it from a marketing standpoint of Look 0:34:35.280 --> 0:34:37.400 these kids out here, these white kids, we can give 0:34:37.440 --> 0:34:40.000 them someone of their own. And I always felt like, no, 0:34:40.160 --> 0:34:42.360 that's the opposite of what hip hop is. So the 0:34:42.360 --> 0:34:44.560 white kids are coming to the hoods because they love 0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:46.839 of music. It has nothing to do with the race. 0:34:47.000 --> 0:34:49.520 You can't make it race because when you make it race, 0:34:49.880 --> 0:34:52.640 that's when it gets all screwed up. So interesting thing. 0:34:52.680 --> 0:34:55.279 We have man blink on here recently, right, and then 0:34:55.360 --> 0:34:59.319 Bleak said he was shout to Blake about the rocket 0:34:59.320 --> 0:35:02.040 Fellow breaker up right, and um, all like all the 0:35:02.160 --> 0:35:05.800 employees of how like every successful team now has a 0:35:05.920 --> 0:35:10.240 Rocketfeller employee. That's that's that's that's a part of their team, 0:35:10.480 --> 0:35:13.640 whoever it be. Do you you guys got to feel 0:35:13.640 --> 0:35:15.640 the same way, Like, I mean, how many people came 0:35:15.680 --> 0:35:23.400 from the song and miss what didn't miss seeing that? 0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:27.279 It's like this we can get gold. I don't know 0:35:27.360 --> 0:35:34.560 that the other dude through. Okay, it's not a to 0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.400 raise Mike Mike Elliott, who I'm directed, Loving Basketball and 0:35:38.440 --> 0:35:45.480 all that Elliot Mike Elliott started some Elli Wilson, Elliot Wilson, 0:35:45.520 --> 0:35:52.640 Mike Elliott's Mike Elliotta wrecking loving Basketball and a few 0:35:52.680 --> 0:35:57.640 of the movies apps right, because I'm so funked up. 0:35:58.040 --> 0:36:01.640 He was like, so you feel me so so a little. 0:36:01.640 --> 0:36:04.200 So it's like a lot of people came through the office. 0:36:04.280 --> 0:36:07.760 A lot of people came through the sauces. We discovered him, 0:36:07.760 --> 0:36:10.680 Tyson Beford y'all discovered the sauce the boon Dog. He 0:36:10.760 --> 0:36:17.920 was the first blotoon starting. Definitely remember that. Yeah, come on, 0:36:18.360 --> 0:36:21.640 happen that happened? U? Well, he actually he was doing 0:36:21.680 --> 0:36:24.520 it in the University of Maryland newspaper. When I went 0:36:24.560 --> 0:36:27.399 home to d C, I had to something. I think 0:36:27.400 --> 0:36:29.520 my mom gave me the newspaper. I've seen the comic 0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:35.200 in their Boon Dogs. Just dope. I remember the first 0:36:35.239 --> 0:36:42.279 time he came and like in the newspaper. Yeah, think 0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:45.120 about he think about all the graffiti the source introduced. 0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:47.400 You know what I'm saying motherfucker's never like like, honestly, 0:36:47.480 --> 0:36:52.000 niggas wasn't the source kept graffiti going to all my friends. 0:36:52.040 --> 0:36:54.319 I was like, yo, you know, I got busy, you 0:36:54.320 --> 0:36:57.120 know what people were sitting there like you know how 0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:00.759 much I used to read the bag and like they 0:37:00.040 --> 0:37:03.520 do every part of that, Like when the person discovered 0:37:03.520 --> 0:37:06.720 that in jail, the Source magazine. I got to commit 0:37:06.760 --> 0:37:09.440 you guys, because there's never been a magazine that's been 0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:11.880 that credible. People don't listen to people right now, Like 0:37:11.920 --> 0:37:15.080 if a person can do another like this, briding a 0:37:15.160 --> 0:37:19.080 magazine to try to bite your migrating system, it never worked. Man, 0:37:19.080 --> 0:37:20.960 How proud of y'all of that? You know what I 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.160 mean that? You know I could feel that with you. 0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.440 Dave were there first, you know, and we did it 0:37:27.480 --> 0:37:28.880 the right way, you know, I mean, you know, we 0:37:29.040 --> 0:37:32.359 kept it, kept it street, kept it real, kept hip hop, 0:37:32.520 --> 0:37:34.239 you know what I mean? And and it was it 0:37:34.280 --> 0:37:37.120 was a beautiful thing. We were. We didn't answer to nobody. 0:37:37.280 --> 0:37:39.840 We we owned and controlled our own thing. We wasn't 0:37:40.120 --> 0:37:42.239 you know, we was out of all the entrepreneurs. You 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.319 go back and look at the history Russell Simmons on, 0:37:46.040 --> 0:37:50.960 everybody down they all had major corporation partners back in them. 0:37:51.000 --> 0:37:56.920 You know, ours was completely completely independently. So it was 0:37:57.040 --> 0:38:00.799 until the dot com. That's when you know I lost 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:03.799 control of it because I bet everything on it dot 0:38:03.840 --> 0:38:05.839 com And that's what you were right, you were just 0:38:06.280 --> 0:38:09.279 like ahead of his time. It was how can you 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:11.880 have Like that's crazy that you gotta be punished and 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:17.600 then the internet is killing print magazine. Yeah, what I'm 0:38:17.640 --> 0:38:20.600 saying he knew it. Though he's seen it. He knew it, 0:38:20.640 --> 0:38:23.160 like I know, he's a genie, seen it. Next time 0:38:23.200 --> 0:38:25.080 he says something, you gotta just listen. You're not give 0:38:25.160 --> 0:38:27.200 him two years on it. I mean, you know it happens. 0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.120 It happens, but you know, but but you can't. You 0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:31.479 can't worry about that ship. Like, let's get to the source. 0:38:31.480 --> 0:38:33.239 You gotta keep going. You know what I said to 0:38:33.239 --> 0:38:35.879 the Source awards? Whose idea was it? And why did 0:38:35.920 --> 0:38:41.400 everybody get shot? Or there? Guys had a couple performance 0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:47.879 at the Couple's Never want to that later you, my brother, 0:38:48.600 --> 0:38:51.879 I never want to surce award. But listen, at this 0:38:52.000 --> 0:38:54.920 time when you were hot, you had to be at 0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:58.080 the How did your guys come up with that idea like, 0:38:58.080 --> 0:39:07.760 how does the magazine company figure we'll do. The whole 0:39:07.840 --> 0:39:09.839 thing with the Source was to be a voice for 0:39:09.960 --> 0:39:13.720 the culture. That means so as we're being a voice 0:39:13.760 --> 0:39:16.719 for the culture, we're seeing that hip hop isn't being recognized. 0:39:16.719 --> 0:39:20.400 In fact, it's being you know, disrespected at award shows, 0:39:20.440 --> 0:39:23.719 the Grammys things like that that had hip hop categories 0:39:23.760 --> 0:39:26.719 in the late nineteen eighties. Everything they were doing was 0:39:27.120 --> 0:39:31.440 just you know, yeah, disrespectful. So you know, it was 0:39:31.560 --> 0:39:34.000 natural for us to want to come up with a 0:39:34.080 --> 0:39:38.279 you know, a forum to be able to recognize, you know, 0:39:38.360 --> 0:39:40.359 the real stuff that was going on. So that was 0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.600 my that was who my whole idea. So the first 0:39:42.600 --> 0:39:44.839 thing was to bring it to MTV and your Own 0:39:44.880 --> 0:39:47.319 TV raps. We did it as a day on your 0:39:47.320 --> 0:39:49.840 Own TV raps where we gave out the Source Awards, 0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:54.480 which that was the first, the very first one one 0:39:54.520 --> 0:39:56.719 with their lover and Dr Drew. You guys gotta stop 0:39:56.760 --> 0:39:59.320 moving back there, okay, listen, listen, you guys are sucking 0:39:59.400 --> 0:40:02.160 up the ship. You gotta stop moving please, you're moving 0:40:02.200 --> 0:40:06.239 and storing. Smack the nigg please and come over here, man. 0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:11.080 So listen, this is what I want to ask that 0:40:11.239 --> 0:40:17.000 short night day that that wasn't the first? Was that 0:40:17.080 --> 0:40:19.719 the second or third? Remember Bernie Matt hosted the first one. 0:40:19.760 --> 0:40:25.080 Imagine that, all right, p Bernie Bernie second it was 0:40:25.080 --> 0:40:27.200 at the Panamount, then in New York and New York 0:40:27.520 --> 0:40:28.799 the first when the first one was in New York 0:40:28.880 --> 0:40:32.719 right there? Not even think how did that moment sit? 0:40:32.760 --> 0:40:34.960 When the whole Take Kick Claim came out O D 0:40:35.120 --> 0:40:37.720 B Like like we got videotapes and all these ships 0:40:37.800 --> 0:40:39.040 right there, I had like we had to do the 0:40:39.080 --> 0:40:40.840 best of the source A wards and I had to 0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:42.279 edit that all of them, so you know, we had 0:40:42.320 --> 0:40:44.839 to combine all the ship and then just sitting there 0:40:44.920 --> 0:40:47.880 and seeing all these groups the biggest thing with me 0:40:47.920 --> 0:40:51.000 because I come from group and hip hop and regass anything. 0:40:51.040 --> 0:40:57.399 I love hip hop like be honestly, like for real, 0:40:57.440 --> 0:41:02.360 I was in DJ rock Shocking Ray Dog. That was 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:05.600 your name, Rock Shocking Dog. You don't just go back 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:10.640 to that name, so so you know, it was like, 0:41:10.719 --> 0:41:13.040 you know what I'm saying honestly like that that's the 0:41:13.120 --> 0:41:14.840 essence of hip hop. You know what I'm saying, DJ 0:41:15.960 --> 0:41:18.600 DJ spending for the motherfucker's you know, spitting but this 0:41:18.800 --> 0:41:23.200 source awards where sure night he was in New York City. 0:41:23.200 --> 0:41:25.759 Did you did you know that was probably the like 0:41:25.800 --> 0:41:28.520 the minute with the East Coast West coast be not 0:41:28.640 --> 0:41:31.040 not not say it's spoke, but that was the time 0:41:31.200 --> 0:41:34.720 it came on national front. Like, um, we had always 0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:37.400 heard that, you know, there was this bad been some 0:41:37.480 --> 0:41:40.520 beet growing. But when she came there, it was like 0:41:40.680 --> 0:41:43.520 it was timing. That was just timing. But did you guys, 0:41:43.640 --> 0:41:46.040 was you guys aware of that? But it was timing. 0:41:46.160 --> 0:41:48.319 It was ware he was gonna say no, no, no, no, 0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:50.960 we will It was gonna be tension. We was when 0:41:51.040 --> 0:41:53.719 something could have popped off because you had heard the 0:41:53.719 --> 0:41:56.600 beak or whatever and we didn't have to was crazy 0:41:56.600 --> 0:41:59.479 about that particular one, like we've had, like the later ones, 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.160 we've had more time of security a lot of times 0:42:02.160 --> 0:42:03.919 with the Nation of Islam. You know what I'm saying, 0:42:03.920 --> 0:42:07.000 shots to the Nation of Islam companies, you've always dealt 0:42:07.000 --> 0:42:09.799 with security, they've always happened it. But back then we 0:42:09.840 --> 0:42:12.040 really didn't have a lot of security at that one. 0:42:12.280 --> 0:42:14.719 So something was gonna jump off when all that she 0:42:15.000 --> 0:42:17.120 was saying, when she was saying all that and everything 0:42:17.600 --> 0:42:19.200 that would have been the one to pop off because 0:42:19.200 --> 0:42:22.560 there wasn't a gang of security. Now when we were 0:42:22.600 --> 0:42:27.279 just looking, not happen, you know, um came on. That 0:42:27.360 --> 0:42:32.560 was the first one that was just snap. So what 0:42:32.600 --> 0:42:37.040 happened so so so so so tribes getting the ward, 0:42:37.440 --> 0:42:40.279 you know, saying while while he's getting the war pokings 0:42:40.280 --> 0:42:43.480 already setting up wherever the sound man is bringing him 0:42:43.640 --> 0:42:45.879 with a steak or that was done. We knew nothing 0:42:45.920 --> 0:42:49.279 about this one. We did nothing about this nigger. So 0:42:49.320 --> 0:42:51.360 their man went to the sound man, told the nigga, 0:42:51.560 --> 0:42:53.399 you wanta you wanna put this in there, the out 0:42:53.480 --> 0:42:55.960 on bail song, the dead man or whatever. So like 0:42:56.000 --> 0:42:58.359 they had him a nobody knew that. They just went 0:42:58.440 --> 0:43:02.319 to just had him house. Are you doing? Yeah, they 0:43:02.360 --> 0:43:05.520 came back. A couple of niggas went right to the 0:43:05.520 --> 0:43:07.480 sound man. We never knewiced this is. You know what 0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:09.799 I'm saying, I've seen big site and then later on 0:43:09.840 --> 0:43:12.520 he told me the whole ship. So but from from 0:43:12.560 --> 0:43:14.680 my view point without there, I just remember him going 0:43:14.760 --> 0:43:17.120 up there and then he grabbed because I was like 0:43:17.200 --> 0:43:19.319 kind of backstage, and I remember I was back there 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.520 with total and then he just went up there and 0:43:22.560 --> 0:43:25.600 just you know, que Tip was saying his speech and 0:43:25.680 --> 0:43:30.120 just grabbed the ship, said throw that ship out. Bill 0:43:30.840 --> 0:43:34.480 started the music and my music came on. He ripped 0:43:34.520 --> 0:43:38.520 that ship and I remember backstage, I remember what the 0:43:38.640 --> 0:43:40.640 niggas came back, one of them at least that slide. 0:43:40.920 --> 0:43:43.000 The niggas was like one of the niggas was crying, 0:43:43.080 --> 0:43:49.799 like really upset, like um uh, it's not God rest 0:43:49.840 --> 0:43:53.000 of Dead Fife. The other one there was two more, 0:43:54.000 --> 0:43:57.560 Jerrold being the other one also, he was just upset 0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:00.680 kicking over ship. Just matched. They was gonna perform and 0:44:00.800 --> 0:44:07.279 it was presenting the Big Awards just got and he 0:44:07.360 --> 0:44:10.200 just wanted to see how did you get that? You know, 0:44:10.600 --> 0:44:13.840 as wild as the Sauce Awards was, as wild he 0:44:13.920 --> 0:44:17.040 was an audience though at that first time was when 0:44:17.040 --> 0:44:22.600 that happened. Let's make some noise, big wild as the 0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:27.279 Source Awards was, and as and as monument, there has 0:44:27.320 --> 0:44:31.680 never been somebody else that aspect. Nobody has ever been 0:44:31.719 --> 0:44:37.440 able to hip um duplicate no the Sauce Awards in 0:44:37.480 --> 0:44:41.040 the hip hop version. I've never seen award show. I 0:44:41.080 --> 0:44:44.920 don't give a funk with happening backstage, you guys held 0:44:44.920 --> 0:44:47.319 it together like in an award because it was it 0:44:47.360 --> 0:44:49.160 was it was. It was an amount of respect for 0:44:49.200 --> 0:44:51.960 the magazine really for the relationship. I told you the 0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:55.640 relationships like it's hard giving, you know, dealing with artists 0:44:55.680 --> 0:44:57.880 and when they get mix and when they you know 0:44:57.880 --> 0:44:59.840 what I'm saying, because again I would have nothing to 0:44:59.840 --> 0:45:01.960 do with it, and my funders could be mad at 0:45:02.000 --> 0:45:09.400 me because they didn't. You know. So anyways, Um, you 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:13.320 just made great shows. I mean those shows it was. 0:45:14.440 --> 0:45:16.200 I'm gonna be honest. You guys are my friends, you guys, 0:45:16.320 --> 0:45:18.319 my brothers, you guys with my family. But I'm not 0:45:18.360 --> 0:45:20.640 saying that because of this. I sit back and I 0:45:20.800 --> 0:45:24.960 watch award shows and just so happens. There's never been 0:45:25.080 --> 0:45:28.239 awards show presented as dope as the source Awards. I 0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:30.879 appreciate that, Like I mean, I mean, I don't remember 0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:34.960 just keeping it honest with you, like, um, like, like, 0:45:34.960 --> 0:45:36.680 how do you feel about that? Like you do you 0:45:36.719 --> 0:45:38.480 think it could ever be done? Or do you think 0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:41.719 that you guys do awards? You had the blueprint, We 0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:44.839 had the blueprint. You still got the blueprint. I'm saying. 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:46.759 I'm saying as far as like we started the blueprint 0:45:46.800 --> 0:45:49.719 all right, as far as giving great shows for artists 0:45:49.760 --> 0:45:52.560 that probably wouldn't get the same type of coverage and 0:45:52.600 --> 0:45:56.440 other award shows once they've cleared it with the with 0:45:56.520 --> 0:45:58.440 the networks to get on because remember it was on 0:45:58.520 --> 0:46:00.799 B T U, p N thirty three. I mean, Dave 0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:02.920 got it all over the place on major networks, on 0:46:03.040 --> 0:46:08.560 cable networks, the social words for like just TV show right, 0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:12.880 all that too, of different and that with two times 0:46:12.880 --> 0:46:16.440 on Saturday Saturday afternoon to clock. We gave ray J 0:46:16.640 --> 0:46:19.919 his first TV show. J was the first host first 0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:22.239 of our TV was what's the use shout to ra J? 0:46:22.320 --> 0:46:31.840 That's what I'm saying. So, um, so, what do you 0:46:31.840 --> 0:46:34.200 guys think of these award shows now? Like, do you 0:46:34.239 --> 0:46:36.800 think these guys should hire you, like as a consultant 0:46:37.080 --> 0:46:46.040 at least? Don't don't keep it one thousand you try 0:46:46.080 --> 0:46:50.120 to get No, you can't, you can't, no, no, no no. 0:46:50.280 --> 0:46:52.680 The problem is motherfucker's just scared to funk with the 0:46:52.800 --> 0:46:56.840 real ship. That's that's always been the problem. It's always 0:46:56.640 --> 0:46:59.799 the inability if we can't control certain motherfucker's and they 0:47:00.080 --> 0:47:02.439 rules because it ain't easy, you know what I'm saying. 0:47:02.440 --> 0:47:04.960 But it's like, but there's a way that you deal 0:47:05.000 --> 0:47:07.279 with motherfucker's. We all know that. We all come from 0:47:07.320 --> 0:47:09.080 the street. We all know how to deal with everybody, 0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:11.719 you know what I'm saying. But but, but but there's 0:47:11.760 --> 0:47:14.239 other people who can't deal like that. They don't have 0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:17.440 that respect, They don't have that they I think they 0:47:17.480 --> 0:47:20.360 don't even give it a chance, you know what I'm saying. 0:47:20.520 --> 0:47:22.920 They already assume it's gonna be some crazy ship, not 0:47:23.040 --> 0:47:25.280 knowing this is gonna be there. They wouldn't they wouldnt 0:47:25.280 --> 0:47:33.560 even try, right j J. Rock, We never we never 0:47:33.560 --> 0:47:35.640 made a commercial show in like political. We just put 0:47:35.680 --> 0:47:37.879 the hottest street niggas on like didn't give a funk 0:47:37.880 --> 0:47:40.160 where it was all over the place. And like when 0:47:40.200 --> 0:47:41.680 you when you go back and look at them shows, 0:47:41.680 --> 0:47:44.160 them shows to go down history. It's like what American 0:47:44.200 --> 0:47:47.520 Bandstand is gonna be for rock because those shows right there, 0:47:48.160 --> 0:47:50.640 all the social awards, it will never be like that again, 0:47:50.719 --> 0:47:53.560 not like that. Not only that though, but the most 0:47:53.719 --> 0:47:57.160 iconic groups were together. You know what I'm saying, Your compone, 0:47:57.719 --> 0:47:59.960 how about how about pun did you ever? He said 0:48:00.280 --> 0:48:03.040 and jerked me like the source that was crazy? What 0:48:03.080 --> 0:48:05.200 did you think about that. It was jerked me too, 0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:09.040 in the same sense of body who's up against the 0:48:09.040 --> 0:48:18.719 shago one man? Yes, me, don't get me. I think 0:48:19.680 --> 0:48:22.840 this is a situation right, this is gonna beat me 0:48:22.880 --> 0:48:27.799 and Big just shot shot the shot career. You know, 0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.239 listen at the end of the day, it was high myself. 0:48:31.560 --> 0:48:33.839 But I'm getting saying I'm not hating, but I'm glad 0:48:34.000 --> 0:48:37.640 cause because you're I understand that would be I probably Petro. 0:48:38.040 --> 0:48:40.319 But who else was up? You? So who else? I 0:48:40.400 --> 0:48:44.759 don't remember, say being us? I don't remember. I was like, 0:48:45.960 --> 0:48:49.239 I don't know masturbating source great was that we could 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:54.600 they definitely at a DA time. I won't I won't hate, 0:48:54.600 --> 0:48:57.080 but you know I got love. I love him over 0:48:57.120 --> 0:49:02.960 the shock, but you don't. Hell yeah, I'm gonna keep 0:49:02.960 --> 0:49:05.880 me ready. Was in front of me Dad's because it 0:49:05.960 --> 0:49:09.360 was I think dropped the album. I think Dad's anchor 0:49:09.760 --> 0:49:12.359 was there that day, and we all looked at each 0:49:12.360 --> 0:49:13.719 other like you know, what's up, what's up? What's up? 0:49:13.719 --> 0:49:16.319 What's up? Like one of us is going up, so 0:49:16.440 --> 0:49:18.200 the sick goes all the way on the other side 0:49:18.800 --> 0:49:22.879 and then jumped up. I was like, oh, well, I 0:49:22.920 --> 0:49:28.160 was like, oh, oh no the silk and yeah, and 0:49:28.200 --> 0:49:31.879 then the punt made that wrong, like did you you said? 0:49:32.120 --> 0:49:34.799 He said so no, no, no what then win? When 0:49:34.840 --> 0:49:36.279 y'all lost, what are you saying? No? None of us 0:49:36.320 --> 0:49:38.319 said nothing to each other. Were just like this. You 0:49:38.360 --> 0:49:46.239 know they paid you know, listen to is Rich. I've 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:50.360 never I still haven't got over it, but yeah I wanted. 0:49:50.760 --> 0:49:52.799 But that's you know why I think that you guys 0:49:52.800 --> 0:49:55.640 were so great. You guys were doing let's just like 0:49:55.680 --> 0:49:57.880 you know, us doing this episode. Sometimes we might not 0:49:57.920 --> 0:49:59.919 know how great it is, but there's so many people 0:50:00.080 --> 0:50:02.880 that are young people like um, when we got our 0:50:02.960 --> 0:50:05.040 viewers back and when you know, people said, you know, 0:50:05.360 --> 0:50:07.799 we were doing like four hundred thousand and we were. 0:50:07.880 --> 0:50:10.080 We were expecting people to say that that the viewers 0:50:10.120 --> 0:50:12.880 they say in sixteens or twenty four, which lets people 0:50:12.920 --> 0:50:14.920 know that if people want to go back and research 0:50:15.040 --> 0:50:17.040 these things. You know what I'm saying. I'm saying, so 0:50:17.200 --> 0:50:20.520 um yo, you guys doing the most legendary awards. You 0:50:20.560 --> 0:50:23.920 guys had the most legendary magazine. Now you guys got 0:50:24.040 --> 0:50:26.800 Hip Hop Weekly, Like how did that come about? Because 0:50:26.800 --> 0:50:29.360 it's like, what is that like I don't want to 0:50:29.360 --> 0:50:31.919 say gossip because that like downplays it or is it? 0:50:32.000 --> 0:50:34.440 I mean, well, you know, after being dieted by the FEDGI, 0:50:34.880 --> 0:50:39.120 going BANKUET, losing everything, well, motherfucker had to start thinking 0:50:39.160 --> 0:50:42.360 about the future and what else that he knows and 0:50:42.400 --> 0:50:45.080 his expertise at We knew that we was magazine. Man. 0:50:45.400 --> 0:50:47.560 I knew that if if we still fussed with each other, 0:50:47.600 --> 0:50:49.960 we had a chance. I still had the same connection, 0:50:50.000 --> 0:50:53.279 Dave still had the same distribution. Um. So was there 0:50:53.280 --> 0:50:56.560 ever time when you guys had that, Um the moment 0:50:57.280 --> 0:50:59.600 I see you just broke up the FED but like, um, 0:50:59.640 --> 0:51:02.360 when you I said, man, maybe we should separate have 0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:05.640 to be a super sexual arrassment, I mean want sexual 0:51:06.320 --> 0:51:09.680 Let me get into it. We really supposed to talk 0:51:09.719 --> 0:51:14.200 about it, all right, No, No, I don't know. Is 0:51:14.239 --> 0:51:16.799 it seven years Is it seven years back? It was 0:51:16.800 --> 0:51:18.640 so crazy that she was crazy. Were sitting in the 0:51:18.680 --> 0:51:21.640 federal building they're talking about but this is a nigga's 0:51:21.719 --> 0:51:24.799 nuts in the federal court down there. Yeah, like that 0:51:24.880 --> 0:51:37.920 was crazy crazy, So, um, hold on nuts never got it. Um, 0:51:38.360 --> 0:51:41.120 So we can't talk about the sexual arras something. I mean, 0:51:41.200 --> 0:51:43.640 you know, um, you know that like with the source, 0:51:43.920 --> 0:51:47.040 like it was my decision to give Kim to be 0:51:47.080 --> 0:51:50.080 the first woman editor in chief for the magazine's mind 0:51:50.120 --> 0:51:52.480 and she had been working in five years. I kind 0:51:52.520 --> 0:51:55.040 of like looked beside the woman man thing and just 0:51:55.040 --> 0:51:57.360 seeing that she was qualified. She was she was a 0:51:57.400 --> 0:52:01.719 hell of a writer. Against popular demand, like this was 0:52:01.840 --> 0:52:03.759 like an unpopular choice for me to do this. I 0:52:03.800 --> 0:52:06.840 was looking over people and so I did it, you 0:52:06.840 --> 0:52:09.120 know what I'm saying. And man, we went on and 0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:14.080 we had who pulled me to drink It's no more panammo? 0:52:17.080 --> 0:52:21.160 Mother dyeing the podcast would be the most no, no, no, 0:52:21.239 --> 0:52:25.000 we go first. You don't know so, I mean basically 0:52:25.040 --> 0:52:27.160 it was just a situation where I've never seen anything 0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:29.840 like it, you know, but when I've noticed in business, 0:52:29.880 --> 0:52:32.040 like I've learned being a part of business, because again 0:52:32.120 --> 0:52:33.960 I was I was a street thinking, you know what 0:52:34.000 --> 0:52:37.280 I'm saying, selling drugs, and you know, I learned business 0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:40.680 in magazine through days. Right, Um, make some noise for David, 0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:48.040 you know his dad. They've been filming our food show 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:50.319 for three days. No but no, but no, but but 0:52:50.520 --> 0:52:53.120 every day. But it was like, but it was like 0:52:53.160 --> 0:52:55.360 a long time before I even seen money from source 0:52:55.560 --> 0:52:57.840 the source was made from Yeah it was. Yeah, it's like, 0:52:57.840 --> 0:52:59.560 so I heard the source actually started from like a 0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:05.080 path a pamphlet. Right do you take a newsletter to 0:53:05.120 --> 0:53:18.000 a thirty millen of company A friends? I know, I 0:53:18.000 --> 0:53:19.839 think it's work A hunted maion, man, come on, let's 0:53:19.840 --> 0:53:25.120 do it. So that's crazy man? And now and now, uh, 0:53:25.440 --> 0:53:29.160 so many people came from there. Uh there're people that 0:53:29.320 --> 0:53:31.760 because I heard there was you want to talk about 0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:37.480 that directly? Biggie comment, Yo, all my outside height outside 0:53:38.640 --> 0:53:41.279 outside height and then was in an outside hight. Who 0:53:41.280 --> 0:53:48.439 else you're saying side Biggie was an unsigned height? Now 0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:52.800 what what here do you guys go? You guys finally 0:53:52.880 --> 0:53:56.640 make it. You got a magazine that's popping. Why did 0:53:56.680 --> 0:53:59.680 you even think about putting on the guys that nobody 0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:02.080 cared about? Like when I was in the outside, nobody 0:54:02.160 --> 0:54:04.239 cared about me. But yeah, and still you guys have 0:54:04.360 --> 0:54:07.640 the foresight to see that and put that on. Who's that? 0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:12.799 There was that in Maddie se Maddie that Wow, it 0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.200 wasn't mad to see the guy who helped uscover Biggie 0:54:15.239 --> 0:54:26.680 as well. Yeah, later on the original was like Maddie 0:54:26.719 --> 0:54:29.759 and I mean honestly, like to be honest, everybody that 0:54:29.800 --> 0:54:31.920 contributed to the Source is a part of the success 0:54:31.920 --> 0:54:34.400 of the Source throughout all the chaos and everything. You 0:54:34.440 --> 0:54:37.880 can't take away one's work, you know what I'm saying, 0:54:37.960 --> 0:54:40.399 one's body of work. And there was a lot of them, 0:54:40.760 --> 0:54:44.200 and it was and it was from young people who 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:47.920 really lived and truly what they thought and understood. Ain't 0:54:47.960 --> 0:54:51.680 cared about hip hop. I just think that in my opinion, 0:54:51.719 --> 0:54:54.000 Like you know, as the culture grew and and and 0:54:54.800 --> 0:54:56.919 it kind of like it was that one at one point, 0:54:56.960 --> 0:54:58.839 then all of a sudden started kind of branching off 0:54:59.080 --> 0:55:01.600 in its own form in different places. That's when it 0:55:01.640 --> 0:55:04.600 was harder to keep things together. You know, Jay the 0:55:04.680 --> 0:55:06.960 Kids says someone in our podcast. He said, hip hop 0:55:07.040 --> 0:55:10.600 is the only John Wove music that has a South 0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:15.359 version that's an East coast version or right a west coast. Right, 0:55:15.800 --> 0:55:18.680 but we did that. There's they just did that. Yeah, 0:55:18.760 --> 0:55:21.840 But but what do you think that started from? Because 0:55:21.880 --> 0:55:29.520 of of barrels? Like you know what I'm saying, right, 0:55:30.080 --> 0:55:32.200 But then it's funny because you could say that, like 0:55:32.239 --> 0:55:34.239 if if you're in New York, you could be like, yeah, 0:55:34.280 --> 0:55:35.960 one from Queen's Bridge. I'm from Left Rack. But then 0:55:35.960 --> 0:55:38.000 if you go out of town, they go from New York. 0:55:38.000 --> 0:55:41.239 But I'm from motherfucking so I'm from l A. So 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:44.880 it turns from street to city to you know, if 0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:46.760 you go out the country, they come from the United States. 0:55:47.120 --> 0:55:48.520 You know what I'm saying. So like, it's just really 0:55:48.800 --> 0:55:51.320 it's it's you trying to It's us trying to rep 0:55:51.440 --> 0:55:54.839 something so hard that we're gonna give our lives for it. Right, 0:55:56.000 --> 0:55:59.719 Sometimes it don't be the right thing I'm saying. You know, 0:56:00.239 --> 0:56:02.920 So you got stuck together? Man, You guys happy with 0:56:03.520 --> 0:56:10.160 Dr Dre? N No, no, not like that. That up again. 0:56:10.360 --> 0:56:12.040 Let me clear that up and clear that up, Clear 0:56:12.080 --> 0:56:14.279 it up and clear that up. Within the within the 0:56:14.280 --> 0:56:16.640 whole eminem thing. Doc, Let's just get it. Dr Dre 0:56:16.880 --> 0:56:21.279 is probably one of my heroes, like motivators, legends, I mean, 0:56:21.680 --> 0:56:25.359 influences everything to do with hip hop, a lot of it. 0:56:25.560 --> 0:56:27.760 You know, I'm saying everything. Okay, New York is where 0:56:28.760 --> 0:56:31.120 I got my hip hop from. But Dr Dre has 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:33.520 so much influence from his production and just from the 0:56:33.560 --> 0:56:36.160 groups that he produced and meet with. My love West 0:56:36.160 --> 0:56:38.040 Coast hip hop. You know I'm saying I loved it all. 0:56:38.360 --> 0:56:40.719 It was the situation. Yeah, there was never beef with him, 0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:45.200 and it necessarily wasn't a beef with Eminem was like 0:56:47.000 --> 0:56:50.560 for what? For what? It hasn't really changed my life? 0:56:50.600 --> 0:56:52.480 You know what I'm saying, I don't. I don't. I don't, 0:56:52.600 --> 0:56:54.920 I don't. I don't look back. I mean, I know 0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:58.359 maybe in a way people could look at it as 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:00.880 it has, but it really hasn't. Like I'm anna hustling 0:57:01.200 --> 0:57:04.319 that's so cracked and drugs from a corner and came 0:57:04.360 --> 0:57:07.200 from the projects. So anything better than that is all 0:57:07.280 --> 0:57:09.640 right with me. You know what I'm saying. I'm saying 0:57:09.640 --> 0:57:12.040 that I'm not nigger. That's like I've had millions, I've 0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.640 had nothing in everything between. But I'm still seen or 0:57:14.680 --> 0:57:22.520 been the same nigger. But so you back in the days, 0:57:22.600 --> 0:57:25.520 you guys like if you was against the source, he 0:57:25.600 --> 0:57:28.640 was against the souce. But you guys like he was 0:57:28.680 --> 0:57:31.480 the first people who was to stand up against corporations. 0:57:31.520 --> 0:57:33.600 We heard rumors of Jimmy I bean off of you 0:57:33.680 --> 0:57:36.960 guys stills. I mean, that was the whole that was 0:57:37.560 --> 0:57:41.680 because I was confused, that was that that was a situation. Really, 0:57:41.680 --> 0:57:44.120 the whole thing with that was like I just felt 0:57:44.160 --> 0:57:47.479 like with MTV crosses and the sauce at the depth 0:57:47.560 --> 0:57:51.800 jam right, the source you guys like for y'all, then 0:57:51.840 --> 0:57:54.080 you have the source like compilation and it came out 0:57:54.080 --> 0:57:58.360 on that like, that's the first time I ever seen 0:57:58.400 --> 0:58:01.280 a four and a half million dollar check. Let's make 0:58:01.280 --> 0:58:19.200 some noise for that. Somebody rot no weed at the atmosphere, compilations, compilations, 0:58:19.200 --> 0:58:22.880 I negotiate that. Okay, did you pay the artist? No? Yeah, yeah, 0:58:22.920 --> 0:58:26.680 yeah yeah. I'm just gonna say I'm sure they don't 0:58:26.720 --> 0:58:29.640 one of them. I'm saying, you got you guys. I 0:58:29.640 --> 0:58:31.440 don't know why you guys get a bad rap? Why 0:58:31.480 --> 0:58:33.800 is it? You know what it is before? I mean, 0:58:35.160 --> 0:58:37.320 the thing is, you guys are so powerful that it 0:58:37.400 --> 0:58:40.880 was easier to say you guys are bad guys than 0:58:40.960 --> 0:58:42.800 it is for people to try to get to know you. 0:58:43.120 --> 0:58:45.440 And what I mean by that is if a person 0:58:45.520 --> 0:58:47.800 know that they ships wagg or they know that they 0:58:47.840 --> 0:58:50.280 can't get at you, it's easier for them to say, man, 0:58:50.320 --> 0:58:52.680 I'm so sneakers is whatever, whatever. But the minute you 0:58:52.800 --> 0:58:55.320 get in front you guys, you guys are hip hop 0:58:55.560 --> 0:58:58.560 story is you guys are great people, Like, why did 0:58:58.600 --> 0:59:01.160 you think you guys ever got a bad rap? What's 0:59:01.200 --> 0:59:03.920 going on? Because we wasn't like again, it wasn't it 0:59:04.080 --> 0:59:07.360 wasn't just bowing down, you know. It wasn't going along 0:59:07.480 --> 0:59:14.160 with yeah, conforming, I don't know that word. It wasn't 0:59:14.200 --> 0:59:16.560 going along with with with with the go along. It 0:59:16.720 --> 0:59:19.520 was like the rebels and you know, with me, it's 0:59:19.560 --> 0:59:21.400 looking like you know, because that's how the fans came in. 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:24.040 They thought I was straight. Um, I got hit with 0:59:24.440 --> 0:59:27.640 all kinds of money laundering and extortion, and they thought 0:59:27.720 --> 0:59:30.200 that I was the big drug deal of funding. And 0:59:30.280 --> 0:59:31.920 the problem with that was in the same thing with 0:59:32.000 --> 0:59:34.160 murder incors that I don't think the people really understood 0:59:34.200 --> 0:59:36.400 how many millions of dollars legally we were bringing in. 0:59:37.280 --> 0:59:42.360 See they're thinking, all murdering a million, you know what 0:59:42.360 --> 0:59:51.520 I'm saying. Yeah, So so they just they just underestimated 0:59:51.560 --> 0:59:54.280 how much legal money it was. They thought it had 0:59:54.280 --> 0:59:57.919 to be some big legal operation because all this money. 0:59:58.040 --> 1:00:00.560 But that's what it was because they was looking at 1:00:00.600 --> 1:00:03.520 the tax situation after the after the after the criminal 1:00:03.600 --> 1:00:05.280 broke down, I had the guilt to taxes I took 1:00:05.320 --> 1:00:07.520 it to um trout and ended up they found me 1:00:07.560 --> 1:00:09.560 not guilty. I was one of the few to be 1:00:09.640 --> 1:00:11.919 found out guilty. Of course I had to pay the stick, 1:00:12.040 --> 1:00:14.560 pay the fine, like one of the few to beat 1:00:14.760 --> 1:00:18.560 a federal tax. Took it to the trial, to the trial, 1:00:19.240 --> 1:00:22.040 and you're still on your ground and you still you know, 1:00:26.800 --> 1:00:30.800 going to trial right now, y'allah. So look, so they 1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:35.040 had accountant line up and ship wired up. Yeah, you 1:00:35.080 --> 1:00:36.680 know what I'm saying, that could work at the summer 1:00:37.000 --> 1:00:42.520 that Dave high hold on, that's what we want that 1:00:43.400 --> 1:00:47.080 they hired accounting. Dave hired the accounting. Yeah, but he 1:00:47.160 --> 1:00:50.400 did approached three Dunkin Donuts over to George Washington Bridge. 1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:53.280 The feastant broke the account that you have asked him 1:00:53.640 --> 1:00:57.800 the wine account. You know, I was wing w Dons 1:00:57.840 --> 1:01:00.760 that first going on on on Route four, the first 1:01:00.840 --> 1:01:03.040 Dunking Donors, and said he went in there. They sat 1:01:03.080 --> 1:01:05.280 with him and they said, and he's he thought, he said, 1:01:05.280 --> 1:01:06.640 the reason he did it because he thought it would 1:01:06.640 --> 1:01:17.480 be excited to do. He six months and ship, what's 1:01:17.480 --> 1:01:20.320 you doing coming around? You were like just s you 1:01:20.320 --> 1:01:24.440 would be like you were talking conversations and I'd be like, yo, 1:01:24.600 --> 1:01:26.960 check this out. I'd be like, my man, I don't 1:01:27.000 --> 1:01:29.640 even know you, Dave. You know what we talked, Patriots 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:32.120 and jets, need to paytriots and jets. Other than that, 1:01:32.480 --> 1:01:34.680 I don't know you, so talk to you about nothing, 1:01:34.720 --> 1:01:37.720 but you knew he was. I don't know nothing. I 1:01:37.800 --> 1:01:40.000 just don't. I just don't even be having these conversations 1:01:40.080 --> 1:01:43.560 with motherfucker' We ain't talking sports or some other ship. Motherfucker. 1:01:43.600 --> 1:01:46.000 I'm not saying there talking about taxes and aller. What 1:01:46.120 --> 1:01:48.680 are you talking about? Man, that's what the funk you 1:01:48.800 --> 1:01:51.560 hired for. Yeah, you know what I'm saying, gonna talk today. 1:01:51.600 --> 1:01:53.000 He hired you. I don't know you. You know what 1:01:53.040 --> 1:01:56.400 I'm saying. And that's how it went until the nigga came. 1:01:56.440 --> 1:01:58.760 When when I was on trial, he came in. He 1:01:58.760 --> 1:02:00.600 couldn't even look at me. I'm looking at this nigger 1:02:00.680 --> 1:02:02.560 like and it was always like, it was always cool. 1:02:02.600 --> 1:02:04.640 I never did nothing to this motherfuer Holly know him? 1:02:05.080 --> 1:02:08.800 How long was he working with the good six years 1:02:08.840 --> 1:02:14.520 of five years, making like a hundred hair wire. I 1:02:14.560 --> 1:02:18.560 about to say, Mason noise for him. We gotta we got, 1:02:18.720 --> 1:02:29.640 we gotta do something that's like the opposite of making damn. Yeah, 1:02:29.880 --> 1:02:32.240 that was a lot of people don't understand, right. Look 1:02:32.280 --> 1:02:34.720 at I used to give people in the source like 1:02:35.560 --> 1:02:39.520 rail No No, No five Mikes rail diamond, source change 1:02:39.560 --> 1:02:42.280 for the girls and for the guys the drill, diamond 1:02:42.320 --> 1:02:44.720 and ice from Jacob. Then we spent so much money 1:02:44.760 --> 1:02:47.760 with Jacob. It wasn't this man like. We took care 1:02:47.800 --> 1:02:49.720 of out people. You know what I'm saying, We like, 1:02:49.800 --> 1:02:52.120 we we took kids before all the fake diamond. This 1:02:52.240 --> 1:02:55.800 is the real There wasn't for that, you know what 1:02:55.800 --> 1:02:58.560 I'm saying. Any ice, This is the real ship. And 1:02:58.600 --> 1:03:00.360 we were spending money taking care in the isn't like. 1:03:00.760 --> 1:03:02.320 I don't know what it was, man, I just it 1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:05.680 was always uphill climb for motherfucker's to really try to, 1:03:05.800 --> 1:03:08.360 you know, street niggas funk with us. But it was 1:03:08.400 --> 1:03:10.800 like the industry motherfucker's wasn't too many funkings. I knew 1:03:10.840 --> 1:03:13.040 you for so long. We lived in the same building, 1:03:13.080 --> 1:03:16.400 and I've never heard the story of a nigger wind Why. Yeah, 1:03:16.560 --> 1:03:18.360 this is my first time. I've learning a lot crazy, 1:03:18.760 --> 1:03:20.959 I'm learning a lot. You gotta rush. I just don't 1:03:21.000 --> 1:03:23.040 know one thing that is that the first time I've 1:03:23.280 --> 1:03:26.280 ever heard your neighbor was in Carlito's Ways article. Cut 1:03:26.320 --> 1:03:29.160 you the way. That's what I get talking to that 1:03:29.320 --> 1:03:31.400 job straight out of jail and the first time saying 1:03:31.920 --> 1:03:36.400 now like that's about you know, as soon as you 1:03:36.400 --> 1:03:38.480 get out of jail. Yeah, hiring him because we need 1:03:38.600 --> 1:03:41.160 niggers like that out of like hire him. I was 1:03:41.240 --> 1:03:43.000 the one to do the hip hop behind balls. That 1:03:43.120 --> 1:03:44.920 was my idea. You know what I'm saying. So you 1:03:45.120 --> 1:03:50.040 hired call it fresh straight out of jail, ye remember? Yeah, yeah, 1:03:51.600 --> 1:03:54.080 look we all I don't see I mean if they 1:03:54.160 --> 1:03:59.280 still holding brudges this song, Like, come on, when you 1:03:59.360 --> 1:04:02.640 say holding budgets, are you saying that, because because you're saying, 1:04:02.680 --> 1:04:06.280 you're arguments. Every relationship has an argument, whether it's your girl, 1:04:06.400 --> 1:04:09.480 y'all more than arguments. Yeah, yeah, there was some thoughts 1:04:10.800 --> 1:04:12.840 a couple of days. It was a couple of years 1:04:12.880 --> 1:04:18.120 about it. I remember who's the our CIA records. It 1:04:18.200 --> 1:04:21.360 was Um and thence guy sor niggers came up to 1:04:21.440 --> 1:04:23.400 the meeting. We had an our CIA records. We're having 1:04:23.440 --> 1:04:26.960 a meeting about our ep it. He was a press 1:04:27.160 --> 1:04:34.760 day the scheduled album games Cate when when Clue was 1:04:34.840 --> 1:04:38.840 the assistant there, okay O C Records, Okay, before it 1:04:38.920 --> 1:04:43.520 was DJ Clue. I think he was just getting into 1:04:43.560 --> 1:04:48.840 what I'm saying. What's happen. Yeah, so they scheduled we 1:04:48.920 --> 1:04:51.400 didn't know where they scheduled an interview, you know, hey 1:04:51.560 --> 1:04:53.720 with the shorts, said that we're gonna come to interview them. 1:04:53.760 --> 1:04:56.480 And then they came up there with a subpoena trying 1:04:56.520 --> 1:05:02.920 to serve and this is I heard something about this. 1:05:02.960 --> 1:05:05.600 They try to boycott you. No, no, this was over time, 1:05:05.840 --> 1:05:11.240 because that was some time. They came to our c 1:05:11.440 --> 1:05:14.080 A offices and lied to give upstairs to our to 1:05:14.160 --> 1:05:16.080 our press date. We have always pressed people from the 1:05:16.160 --> 1:05:19.360 store that you guys are employing, like four of them, 1:05:19.600 --> 1:05:22.880 Reggie Dennis, James, Bernard's, a few, a couple of them. 1:05:23.360 --> 1:05:25.680 They came up there and they stood in front of 1:05:25.800 --> 1:05:27.960 like it was on this big gass table. Now mind you, 1:05:28.040 --> 1:05:31.240 we were happy were the people are. Golf Brooks was 1:05:31.320 --> 1:05:34.040 up in the building and ship like that. They already 1:05:34.080 --> 1:05:36.000 heard niggas was wild. They're waiting to like to throw 1:05:36.080 --> 1:05:39.400 us out the building anyway. Man CBS is ready to 1:05:39.440 --> 1:05:44.040 do to us, just stole on them. Next thing, you know, 1:05:44.240 --> 1:05:46.600 chairs he went through the glass window. We got dropped 1:05:46.600 --> 1:05:54.360 from our next week, y'all keep the gangster. Sorry if 1:05:54.360 --> 1:05:56.800 you didn't know drink cash podcast. You make noise for 1:05:56.840 --> 1:06:01.480 the eggnorant. We love it Ahead, you just take one 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:03.800 pair of you mad red man, you I can tell 1:06:03.840 --> 1:06:05.680 you really put it in work this week with me, 1:06:06.280 --> 1:06:09.400 because Yo, listen, I'm mad black around. Case you didn't 1:06:09.440 --> 1:06:11.560 know I'm black around. I was just from the Food 1:06:11.600 --> 1:06:13.080 Show man. He was one of my Food show. You 1:06:13.120 --> 1:06:16.800 the first person of the show and the podcast in 1:06:16.880 --> 1:06:18.920 the same day. This is what we're playing on doing 1:06:19.000 --> 1:06:21.720 with the podcast, depending on traveling with the Food show, 1:06:22.920 --> 1:06:24.800 getting people on the Food Show. And then you know, 1:06:24.960 --> 1:06:28.720 we had scar Faced today. Shout that's my god. Man, 1:06:28.960 --> 1:06:32.120 he went to the hospital. Y'all suck him up. Almost 1:06:32.480 --> 1:06:38.280 kill scar Face to that track if you eat some 1:06:38.440 --> 1:06:41.480 fun up ship that no, we gives you no nigger. 1:06:42.640 --> 1:06:45.960 I'm gonna be honest. Scar Face is crazy. He's always 1:06:46.040 --> 1:06:50.080 been crazy, but like a genius crazy man. He walked 1:06:50.120 --> 1:06:54.080 over like this. I was like, Oh, I thought, that's 1:06:54.160 --> 1:06:57.240 like how they could do you swell up? No, he 1:06:57.280 --> 1:07:00.760 ship swall up before he touched it forecause you can't breathe. 1:07:00.800 --> 1:07:03.120 It brought up you to you're a big other face 1:07:03.160 --> 1:07:05.080 small is my brother man, thank you for coming to 1:07:05.120 --> 1:07:07.320 the full show. Um, you know what I mean to 1:07:07.440 --> 1:07:09.200 try and get you on the podcast tomorrow because you 1:07:09.240 --> 1:07:11.480 gotta make it up to me and my brother. But hang, hang, 1:07:11.760 --> 1:07:17.080 but listen. Do you think the souce, a feeling like 1:07:17.200 --> 1:07:21.000 the sauce can ever be recreated? Like something like it, 1:07:21.400 --> 1:07:25.520 like soul was natural and raw and you know, discovering 1:07:25.600 --> 1:07:29.720 new talent because I would say it would be this podcast, 1:07:29.840 --> 1:07:32.200 but then I would be lying because we're not discovering 1:07:32.240 --> 1:07:34.280 new talent. We want to speak to legends and people 1:07:34.440 --> 1:07:37.760 got these nineties stories, so it can any form of 1:07:37.920 --> 1:07:40.479 shape of fashion. Can the source ever be created where 1:07:40.560 --> 1:07:44.600 people like if listen, in case you guys didn't know 1:07:45.400 --> 1:07:48.400 when it's it was said in the source it was 1:07:48.640 --> 1:07:53.760 the word of God, like nobody can dispute it. If 1:07:54.920 --> 1:08:00.720 CNN got four Mix, that's it, nobody disputes it. Can 1:08:00.800 --> 1:08:09.320 any format could ever recreate that? I'm glad I don't. 1:08:09.360 --> 1:08:12.240 I don't think do you think that can happen? It's 1:08:12.280 --> 1:08:15.800 possible only because like there's really nothing out there right 1:08:15.840 --> 1:08:20.400 now that's you know, has like a great voice for 1:08:20.840 --> 1:08:24.840 the culture. There's nothing really there. You know, there's world Star. 1:08:26.760 --> 1:08:33.240 You know, the un organized digital format it has to 1:08:33.280 --> 1:08:35.000 be everything. It got to be. It has been a 1:08:35.040 --> 1:08:37.920 combination of digital, TV, print, It has to be a 1:08:38.040 --> 1:08:41.320 combination of everything really multimedia to really get across. But 1:08:41.680 --> 1:08:44.800 but like with that has to come trust and who's 1:08:44.840 --> 1:08:46.479 doing it. You see, a lot of these things that 1:08:46.520 --> 1:08:49.120 you're talking about all becomes the trust and the comfortableness 1:08:49.160 --> 1:08:51.040 of the person with the people who are doing it, 1:08:51.360 --> 1:08:54.200 how much experience they have, how much credibility they have, 1:08:54.840 --> 1:08:57.160 and and and and and and and and how and 1:08:57.400 --> 1:08:59.880 how many people that can cross over because it's so 1:09:00.320 --> 1:09:03.120 there's so many different areas of hip hop now. Man, 1:09:03.200 --> 1:09:07.120 it's not like unified like before. So not only it's territorialized, 1:09:07.120 --> 1:09:10.560 but it's also sectioned off within the territorial So you 1:09:10.600 --> 1:09:11.960 know what I mean. It's just it's just a matter 1:09:12.040 --> 1:09:13.920 of how you try to come and do it. I mean, 1:09:14.360 --> 1:09:16.000 you know, I feel like me and David put in 1:09:16.160 --> 1:09:18.960 enough work that you know, like well, you know we're 1:09:19.000 --> 1:09:21.080 in talks right now for hip hop with your TV show. 1:09:21.400 --> 1:09:25.320 I think, you know, no, no, no, no, not that 1:09:25.479 --> 1:09:28.760 because it's not about necessarily that, But we want to 1:09:28.800 --> 1:09:30.880 do it more like a magazine show, like how we 1:09:30.920 --> 1:09:34.360 did it before the Source magazine where Tonight Entertainment Tonight. 1:09:34.479 --> 1:09:37.000 You don't say you actually have to get these guys 1:09:37.040 --> 1:09:39.120 to sign off because TMZ don't we have to get 1:09:39.120 --> 1:09:41.200 these guys. Well no, we we We could actually do 1:09:41.320 --> 1:09:43.559 that too, like if if we go on locations somewhere, 1:09:43.880 --> 1:09:46.160 but usually it's just blobs of you know, like yeah, 1:09:46.200 --> 1:09:47.280 like you know what I'm saying, you would get but 1:09:47.439 --> 1:09:49.439 all of them signing off because I see you guys 1:09:49.520 --> 1:09:51.920 were kind of early on that, like the first time 1:09:51.920 --> 1:09:54.560 I've ever heard first we were was about to be 1:09:54.680 --> 1:09:57.759 released from prison. I've seen it on Hip Hop Weekly, 1:09:57.880 --> 1:10:02.680 like y'all camera guy was out there shout like like 1:10:02.800 --> 1:10:05.400 like like everybody else said Rimy Marr was about to 1:10:05.400 --> 1:10:09.439 be released. I didn't believe it. Look at what I'm saying. 1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:11.479 I was on the road somewhere and I looked at 1:10:11.600 --> 1:10:14.680 Hip Hop Weeklies, and every time hip Hop Weekly was 1:10:14.800 --> 1:10:18.519 on point, I was posted something. Everything that y'all posted 1:10:18.680 --> 1:10:21.040 was one of its accurate. Other raps, We're gonna have 1:10:21.200 --> 1:10:23.680 that on TV. See that should be on just like 1:10:23.800 --> 1:10:26.880 how CNN got it, you know what I'm saying. That's 1:10:27.040 --> 1:10:28.840 that's what we're trying to do. And like I said, look, 1:10:29.760 --> 1:10:32.960 love us, hate us, anything between. You can't take away 1:10:33.080 --> 1:10:35.200 our experience in this game. And I mean we've lived 1:10:35.280 --> 1:10:38.120 through all these decades of hip hop and it's changed 1:10:38.240 --> 1:10:40.600 dramatically and we're still here, you know, and you know 1:10:40.720 --> 1:10:43.160 that ain't bragging. That's just a testament to just trying 1:10:43.200 --> 1:10:45.280 to be a part of the culture and understand the culture. 1:10:45.640 --> 1:10:47.400 You know what I'm saying. You know, so like no 1:10:47.520 --> 1:10:50.160 matter what, you know what I'm saying, Like we we 1:10:50.400 --> 1:10:53.519 we think that if we can get when we get 1:10:53.640 --> 1:10:55.720 hip hop weekly on TV and get the show, and 1:10:55.840 --> 1:10:58.280 that's when that that's going to be the beginning of 1:10:58.640 --> 1:11:03.599 now reliance get right. You remember I've been I've been 1:11:03.600 --> 1:11:05.200 all through Hollywood with that, you know what I'm saying, 1:11:05.240 --> 1:11:08.960 like him a few times. But you know it's like 1:11:09.080 --> 1:11:10.479 like when I'm talking to some people, like you know 1:11:10.479 --> 1:11:11.880 what I'm like, Like right now, there's a lot of 1:11:11.920 --> 1:11:15.559 networks that's looking for real, Like with Empire being so big, 1:11:15.920 --> 1:11:17.599 there's a lot of networks that's you know what I'm saying, 1:11:17.640 --> 1:11:21.439 looking at black culture like, hey, we better funk with them. 1:11:21.479 --> 1:11:22.760 You know what I'm saying, looking at love and hip 1:11:22.800 --> 1:11:25.519 hop numbers, and those are big numbers. No, No, that's 1:11:25.520 --> 1:11:27.920 a question I want to ask you, Dave. You know, um, 1:11:29.920 --> 1:11:33.200 he's always been your partner. Uh. You guys are friends, 1:11:33.240 --> 1:11:35.320 you guys are brothers. But how did you feel the 1:11:35.360 --> 1:11:37.439 first time he told you he was gonna do love 1:11:37.520 --> 1:11:40.160 and hip hop? Man? Somebody, how did you feel about that? 1:11:41.200 --> 1:11:44.120 I mean, I supported that. We just moved to Atlanta 1:11:44.160 --> 1:11:46.360 and and and that one thing that to another and 1:11:46.600 --> 1:11:50.200 uh he told me about it, and man, because love 1:11:50.240 --> 1:11:53.200 and hip hop was that accident? It was actually wasn't 1:11:53.280 --> 1:11:56.000 that big an accident. What do you mean by that? 1:11:56.320 --> 1:11:58.120 I'm saying, like, you know, me and Stevie have been 1:11:58.160 --> 1:12:01.240 sucking around. I've been living I was living down here. Stevie, 1:12:01.280 --> 1:12:05.400 come fun with me. Steve stand like come over, yeah, 1:12:05.479 --> 1:12:07.840 yeah right, So you know what I'm saying, Like it 1:12:07.960 --> 1:12:11.679 was you know, I went up there on Atlanta down Listen. 1:12:11.680 --> 1:12:14.200 I don't know what I'm doing. I don't want to 1:12:14.200 --> 1:12:22.280 make guys had a club Listen. The first time I 1:12:22.400 --> 1:12:29.800 ever got mased to I got made famous. Let me 1:12:29.840 --> 1:12:32.760 tell you some boy, Me and you don't really know 1:12:32.960 --> 1:12:35.800 each other, but you and I. This is the fun. 1:12:35.960 --> 1:12:39.080 This is the craziest, is the crazy of the world. 1:12:40.400 --> 1:12:47.280 Jar Roule, Yo, you gotta be quiet, man role. I 1:12:47.479 --> 1:12:51.599 moved from Left Frack to West Ars, New Jersey. Right 1:12:53.120 --> 1:12:59.720 jar rule? Also all right rule? Also who's the west 1:12:59.760 --> 1:13:07.280 a rich New Jersey? From there? Jab moved saddle Brook 1:13:07.360 --> 1:13:12.599 correct side the river, out side side the river, live 1:13:12.720 --> 1:13:16.840 next to you. And then me and you somehow both 1:13:16.920 --> 1:13:20.200 moved to Miami, and they connected us and said we 1:13:20.280 --> 1:13:22.760 all lived like him and Joab state around. Just to 1:13:22.840 --> 1:13:25.400 break it down for people that do understand that him 1:13:25.439 --> 1:13:28.000 and John stayed around, lived next to each other. Then 1:13:28.080 --> 1:13:29.640 me and joall living next to each other to me 1:13:29.720 --> 1:13:33.200 and so we all at some point then as we're 1:13:33.200 --> 1:13:34.960 living next to each other, we all got kids around 1:13:34.960 --> 1:13:37.080 the same age, so they all working with each other, 1:13:37.439 --> 1:13:39.439 and we get close, you know what I'm saying, And 1:13:39.520 --> 1:13:41.760 we started dealing with each other's situations. You know, we're 1:13:41.760 --> 1:13:43.920 coming to each other, because that's really when I was 1:13:44.000 --> 1:13:45.760 down here, you know what I'm saying. I mean, really, 1:13:45.800 --> 1:13:50.040 you know, going through everything relationship, problems, problems with ship, 1:13:50.800 --> 1:13:53.760 we had just with everything we were. We we would 1:13:53.760 --> 1:13:55.960 talk because we really we both came down here like 1:13:56.400 --> 1:13:58.439 it's not like we was in the same boat. Yeah, 1:13:58.560 --> 1:14:00.160 we wanted we wanted to. We want to say, get 1:14:00.200 --> 1:14:03.280 over right exactly, get away, you know what I'm saying, 1:14:03.360 --> 1:14:05.240 So you know what I mean. So we would confide 1:14:05.280 --> 1:14:07.560 each other in a lot. You know about you is 1:14:07.760 --> 1:14:11.560 when I'm when I'm negative, you would be positive I'm positive. 1:14:13.760 --> 1:14:18.519 And that was we could they were talking. Man, Yeah, 1:14:18.520 --> 1:14:21.360 it was dope. You don't say, but that's how we 1:14:21.439 --> 1:14:23.960 got to be so cool really because we all spend 1:14:24.040 --> 1:14:25.920 time with each other. And then when you spend time 1:14:25.960 --> 1:14:27.800 with each other, it's just not you're gonna tell him 1:14:28.240 --> 1:14:29.479 what do you want to hear. You're gonna tell him 1:14:29.479 --> 1:14:31.479 what you think it's best for him, because that's the 1:14:31.560 --> 1:14:33.640 best type of friend. You know what I'm saying. You 1:14:33.680 --> 1:14:35.400 know what I mean. You don't tell them what they 1:14:35.520 --> 1:14:37.360 want to hear, and tell him what's best of you, 1:14:37.439 --> 1:14:39.559 even if they don't get matted. Fucking we don't talk 1:14:39.640 --> 1:14:42.240 for a week, two weeks, Fucking I gotta say that 1:14:42.280 --> 1:14:43.720 because I care about you know what I'm saying it's 1:14:43.720 --> 1:14:45.400 the same thing with all of us. Everybody makes a 1:14:45.479 --> 1:14:53.720 noise for that. You still around. Take a shot, Take 1:14:53.760 --> 1:14:58.240 a shot as so you know you actually hear. I 1:14:58.320 --> 1:15:00.439 thought she was gonna like make up scoose. I'm just 1:15:00.600 --> 1:15:03.800 gonna like act like, look, this is all met that Zeno, 1:15:05.080 --> 1:15:09.080 change your fucking rabbit. Yeah, yeah, chase your rap, Zeno 1:15:09.280 --> 1:15:16.920 drink Yeah, I pressed my friend fucking rabbit rap. Yeah, 1:15:17.040 --> 1:15:19.280 chase your rap. I don't drink, but you know, you 1:15:19.400 --> 1:15:22.200 know when it has to be done. Huh. If you know, 1:15:22.400 --> 1:15:25.400 you know what I should sucking Rabbi listen, that's amad. 1:15:25.720 --> 1:15:28.920 Just say you know what's that that this is playing? Um? 1:15:29.120 --> 1:15:31.400 Oh it is I thought, oh, I thought that was 1:15:31.520 --> 1:15:33.599 Dave's come. I was like, oh, you're just going hard. 1:15:34.000 --> 1:15:37.880 That's gonna chang and check off. I was like, chasing 1:15:37.920 --> 1:15:41.160 my rabbit. That's a nonsense. You know. I gave no 1:15:41.479 --> 1:15:44.240 sixty five dollars check for the first and that never 1:15:44.320 --> 1:15:48.400 came out. Wait, wait, sixty five stats for first that 1:15:48.520 --> 1:15:51.720 never can get to this story? Wait up, wait up, 1:15:57.000 --> 1:16:00.200 yo yo, what kind of hard you don't even do it? 1:16:03.640 --> 1:16:05.840 How did this story happen? No, it was just he 1:16:06.000 --> 1:16:08.080 was hot as funk. I wanted the verse from him, 1:16:08.439 --> 1:16:11.080 had the money, and I know we was in California 1:16:11.320 --> 1:16:12.960 after the Steve was sucking with him, you know what 1:16:13.000 --> 1:16:14.559 I'm saying. So probably Steve by the hooked it up. 1:16:14.920 --> 1:16:16.559 And then man, he just came up and I never 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:18.840 forget gave it to him, spent the version and bounce, 1:16:18.880 --> 1:16:20.040 and I was like, we just say too much to 1:16:20.080 --> 1:16:22.280 each other. You just got the sixty five bands and 1:16:22.320 --> 1:16:24.240 kept moving. We just never I just never used the 1:16:24.360 --> 1:16:27.920 verse or nothing. You know what I'm saying. It's around 1:16:28.720 --> 1:16:31.360 a better face on YouTube somewhere. Okay, so you did 1:16:31.479 --> 1:16:34.120 use the word, but nothing to put out to get solden. 1:16:34.640 --> 1:16:38.320 Just like I don't know you, I don't know. You 1:16:38.360 --> 1:16:45.120 gotta start looking out for yourself. Now his verse, I 1:16:45.120 --> 1:16:48.160 don't care if it's from then to now, it's at 1:16:48.240 --> 1:16:51.479 least from twenty to sixty bands. It's always worth sixty five. 1:16:53.520 --> 1:16:55.800 So how hot was he at that time? He killed 1:16:55.840 --> 1:16:58.280 the verse? But you know, but but like the Boston Niggers, 1:16:58.320 --> 1:16:59.800 you know what I mean, let me ask you all 1:16:59.840 --> 1:17:04.000 that shot your ship, all that project, something like the 1:17:04.120 --> 1:17:06.040 thing about it if a new artist came out and 1:17:06.120 --> 1:17:08.160 now I'm not talking about then. I mean, I'm not 1:17:08.200 --> 1:17:10.960 talking about now. I'm talking about then, Like if aw, 1:17:11.280 --> 1:17:13.519 what is that noise? What is that keeping hearing? What 1:17:13.720 --> 1:17:16.880 is somebody clicking something? Still? All right? Tell him need 1:17:17.000 --> 1:17:21.960 to shut the funk up. Listen, So thinking is drinking. 1:17:22.120 --> 1:17:25.120 We drink ball and then we got wind. Would we 1:17:25.240 --> 1:17:28.040 go and eat and caught your bar or windwood tavern 1:17:28.360 --> 1:17:32.240 or wind stats go with drinking. They could have a 1:17:32.320 --> 1:17:48.160 couple of average drinking. He's now listen. You know you're 1:17:48.200 --> 1:17:52.000 my friend. We're clothes. I come to a crib one 1:17:52.080 --> 1:17:58.400 day living a diplomat. Give me your world just number, 1:17:59.200 --> 1:18:04.200 gave me a wright. I'm running right in had we're 1:18:04.280 --> 1:18:07.400 hanging out with barbecuing. You're the first person the green 1:18:07.479 --> 1:18:11.320 park in the house. Yeah, I bought a big park shoulder. 1:18:12.120 --> 1:18:16.840 I didn't even know that shoulder with Atlanta orange and 1:18:16.920 --> 1:18:19.120 you you baste it. I thought he was playing. It 1:18:19.200 --> 1:18:24.040 was like, I'm bringing a park shoulder, right, Hi, I 1:18:24.120 --> 1:18:27.160 forgot on the park he running on like it was like, 1:18:27.280 --> 1:18:30.559 you know, he wanted me to keep in the living room. 1:18:31.040 --> 1:18:34.040 He didn't want to keep it. He was like the 1:18:34.080 --> 1:18:41.280 smells of the right right, let's get you what would 1:18:41.320 --> 1:18:44.360 happened that day? Like that's what you're into the park shoulder, 1:18:44.400 --> 1:18:45.640 you know, I mean, you know what I'm saying, Like 1:18:45.720 --> 1:18:48.000 the melt. I'm sure we've got some fellows in their 1:18:48.040 --> 1:18:50.640 sucking pop, but you'll be on it off. You be 1:18:50.720 --> 1:18:52.720 on it off. I've been like four years in your 1:18:52.720 --> 1:18:55.400 blood you put away. Yeah, it was like it was 1:18:55.439 --> 1:18:57.720 like eating that park no more. He wasn't eating bee 1:18:58.120 --> 1:19:00.559 Pocus the food of the gods. Talk about it, man, 1:19:00.640 --> 1:19:03.920 Let me tell you can listen to this show to 1:19:04.080 --> 1:19:07.639 take every piece of port and make that ship taste good. Man. 1:19:07.920 --> 1:19:10.559 This is how you know, Like I know that Randy 1:19:10.640 --> 1:19:14.160 Aka and Dave Mays is the blackest Jewish people we know, 1:19:14.960 --> 1:19:17.680 neither wanted to know celebrated pass Over yesterday. Let's make 1:19:17.720 --> 1:19:22.320 some noise for that. It was the week before. No 1:19:22.560 --> 1:19:25.880 we went to we went to and did he wait wait, 1:19:26.000 --> 1:19:30.559 didn't we go to the Let me tell. Let's listen, 1:19:30.840 --> 1:19:33.280 let's tell how powerful Jewish people is. We went to 1:19:33.360 --> 1:19:39.479 the w hotel to Jewish people. Yeah. I can usually 1:19:39.560 --> 1:19:41.920 do around as mom. You gott keep a Jewish guy around, 1:19:42.200 --> 1:19:45.519 that's around. That's a rule. You got Jis guy around. 1:19:45.680 --> 1:19:47.360 But let me just tell you how crazy it was. 1:19:48.320 --> 1:19:50.679 We went to the W Hotel. We're filming the full show, 1:19:50.920 --> 1:19:53.080 which is W Hotel for a Dum said, I can't 1:19:53.080 --> 1:19:54.920 from my negls heard. So we went to the W 1:19:55.080 --> 1:19:58.960 Hotel and fat Lauder that's a man and Um we 1:19:59.080 --> 1:20:00.560 try to use the bad for me. It was like 1:20:00.600 --> 1:20:03.400 they've rented it out for ten days for Passover, so 1:20:03.600 --> 1:20:05.560 nobody else can rent it out. I've never seen no 1:20:05.640 --> 1:20:07.160 other races to you, let's make some noise for the 1:20:07.200 --> 1:20:14.439 Jewish people for keeping the Jewish No, no, they said 1:20:14.479 --> 1:20:17.800 that a whole W hotel, they're all out. There's nothing 1:20:17.880 --> 1:20:20.479 but coucier food being served. There was no alcohol for 1:20:20.640 --> 1:20:23.000 those days, correct. It was like, you know, it was 1:20:23.040 --> 1:20:25.000 the ball open. It was like, no, it's passed over. 1:20:25.280 --> 1:20:27.800 Is anybody in there Jewish over the day? Let's make 1:20:27.880 --> 1:20:29.720 a noise that they've been the only Jewish guy come on, 1:20:32.479 --> 1:20:35.000 so spends you know on day. But I'm gonna start 1:20:35.040 --> 1:20:37.439 with you, Dave, because you know, is there anything you 1:20:37.560 --> 1:20:39.920 regret besides the internet, because we got to that, is 1:20:39.960 --> 1:20:43.919 there anything you ever regret that you can't have no regrets? 1:20:44.000 --> 1:20:46.040 You know what I mean? No regrets. That's a real 1:20:46.120 --> 1:20:50.920 nigger ship. Let makes some noise to day being black ship. 1:20:51.080 --> 1:20:55.680 Right there? You got any regrets? Man, I can't think 1:20:55.720 --> 1:20:57.840 of anything. You know what I'm saying. Probably probably you know, 1:20:57.920 --> 1:21:00.040 of course you want to be smart about it. You 1:21:00.040 --> 1:21:01.720 know what I'm saying. I probably gotta be smart. But 1:21:01.840 --> 1:21:04.280 we ate him in here. But but but still body listens. 1:21:04.600 --> 1:21:06.320 But if you look back, But if you look back 1:21:06.439 --> 1:21:08.439 and you could say, yeah you could if you not 1:21:08.600 --> 1:21:11.160 even it's about yourself when you look at your kids 1:21:11.200 --> 1:21:12.599 and you look at their futures. You know what I'm 1:21:12.600 --> 1:21:14.880 saying that you start have to be about music and 1:21:15.000 --> 1:21:17.760 music musically yeah, musical, but like like you know, like 1:21:17.880 --> 1:21:19.720 in the business musically now you know, I mean to 1:21:19.800 --> 1:21:22.960 be honest, I think I never got a real shot 1:21:23.040 --> 1:21:26.040 because of all the controversy of my music. Like people 1:21:26.040 --> 1:21:30.240 don't know that I produced the intro on NASA Stalematic 1:21:30.320 --> 1:21:35.920 album Wait Time Out. I'm saying, you know I still man, 1:21:37.400 --> 1:21:39.519 it's the Train over Lion, you know what I'm saying. 1:21:40.680 --> 1:21:44.400 Stacy lot of Sart joining produced. That's the Hangmen three. 1:21:44.520 --> 1:21:48.560 You see that me two times? JP like yeah that 1:21:48.720 --> 1:21:52.160 right now? Yeah, man, let's get as mad As Robs. 1:21:52.160 --> 1:21:56.840 You're not, you know, hold on, I shoulder to my career. 1:21:56.920 --> 1:21:59.280 I don't even know if those are your pok rinds. Ain't. 1:22:04.320 --> 1:22:08.360 I'm not anybody because that's the ball. That's the ball 1:22:08.479 --> 1:22:11.080 they offer those. Let me let me see if they 1:22:11.120 --> 1:22:16.280 had Fisher Park ground. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's a ball, 1:22:16.400 --> 1:22:25.639 you know. Usually. Welcome to play a new podcast network 1:22:25.720 --> 1:22:30.240 featuring radio and TV personalities talking business, sports, tech, entertainment, 1:22:30.320 --> 1:22:34.720 and more. Play it at play dot It. We're back 1:22:34.840 --> 1:22:43.840 to Drink Champs Radio with Rapper and R and d J. Then, so, boy, 1:22:43.880 --> 1:22:47.120 how did you produce that? How did who called you? 1:22:47.160 --> 1:22:50.320 Ste out? Again? Steve got through? Steve. You're getting a 1:22:50.320 --> 1:22:52.559 lot of love on my show. We've done a lot 1:22:52.640 --> 1:22:55.320 of ship with Steve and Steve, you know our relationships. 1:22:55.720 --> 1:22:58.320 I'm allowing the love to be spread. But all that 1:22:58.439 --> 1:23:01.719 telling of America ships, Eve, what happened with Tanta America, 1:23:01.760 --> 1:23:04.360 I'm not you're failing that. I've never seen it. There 1:23:04.439 --> 1:23:08.760 was no American man, There's there's ain't no tanning of 1:23:08.800 --> 1:23:11.439 American man. I don't believe in that, man, you know 1:23:11.479 --> 1:23:15.560 what I'm saying, tann of American. I'm sure, Steve to 1:23:15.720 --> 1:23:19.320 Stephen means that the white agencies and the white companies 1:23:19.520 --> 1:23:23.920 are now except accepting certain black but you know, right, 1:23:23.960 --> 1:23:26.600 but that's bullshit because they really ain't, you know what, 1:23:26.960 --> 1:23:29.880 cause they really ain't working with us. See, it's us 1:23:30.360 --> 1:23:34.000 that that that got the juice. It's the middleman and 1:23:34.040 --> 1:23:36.519 the middleman above then we usually get them credit for it. 1:23:37.120 --> 1:23:40.760 That's just how it is. So that's what tannic means, 1:23:41.040 --> 1:23:43.240 the tanning of a memor. I didn't see that ship. 1:23:44.080 --> 1:23:46.760 I have no idea what we're talking. He rose and 1:23:49.200 --> 1:23:53.439 big Big, I guess, but he knows our relationship and 1:23:53.520 --> 1:23:55.519 I'm not dissing them. So this is this is a 1:23:55.600 --> 1:23:58.120 wonderful thing, man, But you you don't agree with that. 1:23:58.520 --> 1:24:02.719 Don't get what the handa? What was you talking before that? America? 1:24:02.760 --> 1:24:04.760 It was something before that style. You know. It's like 1:24:05.320 --> 1:24:10.640 the song still Madics. So how did who called you to? 1:24:11.360 --> 1:24:13.200 We probably did it through Steve, but but the el 1:24:13.520 --> 1:24:15.680 is that we also produced the one with you and 1:24:15.760 --> 1:24:21.080 Prodigy that win gold? Right now, okay, double classic album? 1:24:21.160 --> 1:24:24.080 We need? How did this call happen? What did they 1:24:24.120 --> 1:24:26.200 asked you to do? An intro? We gave some beats 1:24:26.800 --> 1:24:30.720 and and Eli s Ellie and we get shout out 1:24:30.720 --> 1:24:35.320 to d j Eli s Man. Was Elis who gave 1:24:35.360 --> 1:24:37.720 Elis the beats? You know what I'm saying. Let now 1:24:37.800 --> 1:24:40.240 it's here. That's when they wanted. Wasn't the guy at 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:42.800 that time, So it wasn't Steve. It was Elis. My 1:24:42.960 --> 1:24:45.200 mother's steak. It was Elis. And that's not the reason 1:24:45.240 --> 1:24:48.160 you got five mics. No, now I should have got 1:24:48.200 --> 1:24:53.040 five mics. No that that album was, Come on, it's 1:24:53.080 --> 1:24:56.000 still maddic. I don't think I'm saying man still maddic. 1:24:57.520 --> 1:24:59.960 It was still hitting money then that was a double 1:25:01.200 --> 1:25:03.479 God damn man, I thought you said about that's why 1:25:03.520 --> 1:25:12.320 my that was classic. That's still magic. I'm thinking crazy, 1:25:12.720 --> 1:25:18.000 Are you crazy? That's my first um source UM article magazine. 1:25:18.040 --> 1:25:20.920 I ever, boy, I could never be more proud of 1:25:21.000 --> 1:25:24.400 to be from Queens at that very moment um because 1:25:24.720 --> 1:25:27.880 I have remember seeing Nash in Brooklyn Queen's Day back 1:25:27.880 --> 1:25:29.880 in the days we should do something called Brooklyn Queen's 1:25:29.960 --> 1:25:34.439 Day and Flushing Meadow Plargue and I've seen I was 1:25:34.520 --> 1:25:36.599 booked to perform and he came out and did live 1:25:36.640 --> 1:25:38.559 at the barbecue and he came out with this dude 1:25:39.000 --> 1:25:43.400 with you know, um we call him Fisherman's they killed it, 1:25:43.439 --> 1:25:45.320 you know what I mean? And then um, they was 1:25:45.400 --> 1:25:47.280 doing all this crazy ship. So that's the you know, 1:25:47.720 --> 1:25:50.240 for me to see that as a chap go to jail. 1:25:52.080 --> 1:25:54.479 She this same kid got five mics. I didn'tnew what 1:25:54.560 --> 1:25:56.920 the mic system meant because I was an Outcast fan 1:25:57.000 --> 1:25:59.719 of Outcast was the only other people I've seen prior 1:25:59.800 --> 1:26:03.880 to that, I believe, because something kept Playlistic, Cadillac whatever, 1:26:04.000 --> 1:26:08.080 whatever that album is came out, came out before Illmatic, correct, 1:26:08.080 --> 1:26:10.479 because I think that came out. He want to google 1:26:10.560 --> 1:26:18.559 that came first? Whatever? Who got five mics? Maybe? Well, 1:26:19.200 --> 1:26:22.000 whoever got five mics before that? Get NAS got five 1:26:22.040 --> 1:26:25.360 mix And I was in the jail walking through because 1:26:25.760 --> 1:26:27.960 at that time in the jail I was in, it 1:26:28.040 --> 1:26:31.759 was either Buckshall Shorty or not. Obviously I was on NAS. 1:26:32.160 --> 1:26:34.479 I did like Buckshot Shorty, and he wound up his 1:26:34.600 --> 1:26:37.840 baby mother black Moon. Excuse me, his big mother was 1:26:37.960 --> 1:26:40.360 actually from Left Rack, So I wounded up being cool 1:26:40.400 --> 1:26:42.080 with him. But in the jail at that time, it 1:26:42.200 --> 1:26:46.120 was like you either NASA or black Moon, And obviously 1:26:46.160 --> 1:26:48.439 I picked the nine side, and wind of that article 1:26:48.600 --> 1:26:53.640 came out. I just walking through the jail. It was 1:26:53.720 --> 1:26:55.880 the and care Rest. We had care Wrests on the 1:26:55.960 --> 1:26:59.080 show and Caress said that he basically said, well, if 1:26:59.120 --> 1:27:03.040 that didn't come out, you know, he said queens Bridge, 1:27:03.479 --> 1:27:07.040 which which um, he said, Queen's Bridge would have never revived. 1:27:07.600 --> 1:27:10.519 But he didn't understand that. What he meant was Queens 1:27:10.640 --> 1:27:15.600 might They're not never revived, So that that yeah, but 1:27:15.920 --> 1:27:18.639 but but but there was a lot of album from 1:27:18.720 --> 1:27:25.439 that album restored the pride, the pride the I don't 1:27:25.479 --> 1:27:27.680 even know the other way he restored like us to 1:27:27.760 --> 1:27:30.720 be like, you know, walk outside and go go eat 1:27:30.760 --> 1:27:34.880 in Brooklyn and go eating and whatever. But it all 1:27:35.000 --> 1:27:38.240 started from when people seeing that he got five months 1:27:38.720 --> 1:27:41.640 five and then you did abouly the wonderful story of 1:27:41.920 --> 1:27:45.000 the producers. You remember that or all the producers that 1:27:45.160 --> 1:27:48.240 was involved like that was that was legendary. Like, um, 1:27:49.120 --> 1:27:55.719 journalism isn't conducted like that. No, it's not that serious. Normal, 1:27:56.120 --> 1:28:03.040 it's not that serious because everything, everything, even music is faster. 1:28:03.400 --> 1:28:06.720 So what you think about that? I mean, you know 1:28:06.800 --> 1:28:08.120 the way I look at it, I mean, you know 1:28:08.200 --> 1:28:10.000 you have it's it's just the sign of the times. 1:28:10.200 --> 1:28:12.960 You know, everything is fast. I mean, the good thing 1:28:13.040 --> 1:28:15.680 is that we lived in those times. So I just 1:28:15.800 --> 1:28:18.479 appreciate that I know those times just because it ain't 1:28:18.520 --> 1:28:20.799 here no more. I don't mean you can't still celebrate 1:28:20.840 --> 1:28:22.720 because you've been. You know, we're celebrated right now. That's 1:28:22.720 --> 1:28:29.760 what we're doing on Drink Yo. Man, let me just 1:28:29.880 --> 1:28:34.760 tell you, man, h the ride. Look at that. I 1:28:34.880 --> 1:28:36.800 just I really need to eat the pot rinding on 1:28:36.880 --> 1:28:44.400 my show. People, you know this is sunny DVD. Join you. 1:28:45.320 --> 1:28:47.160 I'm gonna get your five with the ball. Fan with 1:28:47.280 --> 1:28:50.559 the ball. I'm gonna get you with the ball, y'all. 1:28:50.960 --> 1:28:54.479 You don't know why because funk don't goes down. The 1:28:54.600 --> 1:28:58.160 mother's just punch you like you don't. Just good, give 1:28:58.160 --> 1:29:00.519 me a hot five with the book you get rid 1:29:00.560 --> 1:29:03.880 of the ball. I'm gonna say that. I don't. I 1:29:03.960 --> 1:29:07.840 don't mind. So Chris, I feel like he was gonna 1:29:07.880 --> 1:29:10.760 go when we were talking about the eminem situation, like 1:29:10.880 --> 1:29:12.800 I felt like you was gonna say something like he 1:29:12.960 --> 1:29:15.639 was going in the direction of saying that you didn't 1:29:15.680 --> 1:29:18.719 have no problem and wasn't no problem with him, because 1:29:18.800 --> 1:29:20.920 I really don't understand him. It was just a gun. 1:29:21.439 --> 1:29:25.360 You know. MTV was just taking on the hip hop 1:29:25.479 --> 1:29:29.040 and I felt like, you know, big, this is where 1:29:29.120 --> 1:29:31.360 hip hop can finally, you know what I'm saying, start 1:29:31.360 --> 1:29:35.080 getting some money. You understand, Look when drugs and guns ravage, 1:29:35.080 --> 1:29:37.880 and I say this the communities. Hip hop was there 1:29:37.920 --> 1:29:39.640 to give nigga's a job, you know, like niggas was 1:29:39.720 --> 1:29:42.000 making money off of hip hop. Man, that's a d 1:29:42.160 --> 1:29:46.680 M x DMX rappers whack. He sometimes he supported him 1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:49.559 because this rapper is giving at least six to eight 1:29:49.640 --> 1:29:52.360 people a job. My nigga, you come out of jail 1:29:52.400 --> 1:29:54.800 back then a good a job. You know. They ain't 1:29:54.800 --> 1:29:57.200 like that normal, you know. So it's just the fact 1:29:57.280 --> 1:30:03.280 that I just felt like they wanted to use a 1:30:03.439 --> 1:30:08.679 situation where the the white audience had its own image, 1:30:10.760 --> 1:30:14.120 you know, to really be at a high level of 1:30:14.240 --> 1:30:17.360 hip hop. What I was saying, the white people are 1:30:17.400 --> 1:30:21.719 already buying into the hoods in the black and Latino 1:30:21.840 --> 1:30:25.439 communities with hip hop. They don't need, we never need. 1:30:25.520 --> 1:30:28.200 Like Beastie Boys was the ship. Nobody gave a funk 1:30:28.240 --> 1:30:32.240 if there was white, black purple like you didn't see 1:30:33.320 --> 1:30:36.280 hip hip hop made it where you didn't see no color. 1:30:36.640 --> 1:30:39.360 When Eminem came he's a white rapper. You know what 1:30:39.400 --> 1:30:41.320 I'm saying that they did that. I did the white 1:30:41.400 --> 1:30:45.000 rapper immediately, but you see, it has nothing to do 1:30:45.120 --> 1:30:48.519 it has see because the effects of that. I knew 1:30:48.520 --> 1:30:50.439 the effects of that, of what it is. Now the 1:30:50.600 --> 1:30:53.599 kids twitter me now like who's thirteen, twelve years old 1:30:53.720 --> 1:30:56.080 or a three? Oh fake gal Pacino? Ah, you Eminem 1:30:56.160 --> 1:30:58.680 killed you. I'm like, you know, nigga, you don't even know. 1:30:59.400 --> 1:31:02.040 And then my usic like like little man, you don't 1:31:02.080 --> 1:31:04.360 even know it's music. You're just taking on what you've 1:31:04.360 --> 1:31:08.719 seen on YouTube and automatically gravitating to that black against 1:31:08.760 --> 1:31:13.439 white ship like oh he's Eminem. And issue your issue 1:31:13.680 --> 1:31:16.680 was it wasn't an issue with me. The issue was 1:31:17.360 --> 1:31:22.680 I felt that that they were using his situation all 1:31:22.720 --> 1:31:27.080 right to separate hip hop to like you know what 1:31:27.120 --> 1:31:29.920 I'm saying, to separate hip hop from the audience, you know, 1:31:30.080 --> 1:31:33.400 from from from white black audience. I mean I didn't then, 1:31:33.479 --> 1:31:40.280 of course, you know Jimmy ivenfousand now Jimmy, Jimmy when 1:31:40.360 --> 1:31:42.519 when you know, we was when all this was going on, 1:31:42.600 --> 1:31:44.080 we had met with Jimmy a couple of times. And 1:31:44.120 --> 1:31:46.120 you know what I'm saying, Jimmy didn't want the problem. 1:31:46.240 --> 1:31:49.599 You know, Jimmy and I had actually done deals with Jimmy. Yeah, 1:31:49.640 --> 1:31:51.880 it was cool. It was cool, man, It was so 1:31:52.000 --> 1:31:56.920 what was like, I just knew what that was with 1:31:57.120 --> 1:32:01.439 me was again, I was just this repor that was like, look, 1:32:02.400 --> 1:32:04.519 you know, because you gotta remember, these kids had came 1:32:04.640 --> 1:32:07.559 up out of nowhere. These was his boys that came 1:32:07.640 --> 1:32:10.200 to the magazine with the tape. They had been trying 1:32:10.200 --> 1:32:13.920 to sell the tape. Yeah, oh, the guys from Detroit. Yeah, 1:32:14.080 --> 1:32:16.120 they had to tape. You know. I was in Puerto 1:32:16.200 --> 1:32:18.479 Rico and Dave called me. Was like, these dudes in 1:32:18.560 --> 1:32:20.760 the office like on the next flight and they had 1:32:20.800 --> 1:32:22.960 been trying to sell the tape for over a year. Now. 1:32:23.080 --> 1:32:26.400 This was his boy, right, And do you believe like 1:32:26.520 --> 1:32:29.240 the story? We like that he said he said it 1:32:29.400 --> 1:32:32.800 was only happened because he had a black girlfriend. It's not, 1:32:32.960 --> 1:32:36.880 it's not it's not for me. Yeah, I don't go on, man, 1:32:37.120 --> 1:32:38.600 you know what I'm saying, Wait, wait, wait, hold on? 1:32:38.960 --> 1:32:41.640 What was made up that story that was that he 1:32:41.720 --> 1:32:44.439 had a black girlfriend? Car So you you did the 1:32:44.479 --> 1:32:47.200 research and you absolutely we did a lot of research 1:32:47.320 --> 1:32:52.280 when we did it Home story, Yeah, and that was absolutely. 1:32:53.880 --> 1:32:56.439 This is crazy. Nobody, I don't think nobody never knew that. 1:32:57.080 --> 1:33:00.599 I mean, come on, man like, but it's cool. It's cool. Man. 1:33:01.360 --> 1:33:03.479 He was a great guy. Met him. I met him once. 1:33:04.120 --> 1:33:07.080 It's cool. That's what it wasn't you know, when you 1:33:07.160 --> 1:33:10.000 really get down to it. We never met each other 1:33:10.120 --> 1:33:13.920 to make it personal. So I mean, I mean, of course, 1:33:14.200 --> 1:33:16.320 when when when you're going back and forth on record, 1:33:16.360 --> 1:33:18.640 you're gonna take shots at each other. That's what everybody do. 1:33:19.000 --> 1:33:22.519 He was used to separate the culture and to you know, 1:33:23.439 --> 1:33:26.280 take it, you know, with the the white audience always 1:33:26.400 --> 1:33:29.400 was the largest audience of hip hop, going back to 1:33:29.479 --> 1:33:40.320 the eighties run see you again, of me of the 1:33:40.479 --> 1:33:45.519 buyers of those albums, albums was white people. They was 1:33:45.600 --> 1:33:48.680 there the whole time. But eminem was used as a 1:33:48.760 --> 1:33:53.680 way to take those who white people and instead of 1:33:53.760 --> 1:33:58.360 making them, instead of making them the followers of the 1:33:58.520 --> 1:34:02.479 culture and the followers of the streets. Okay, now those 1:34:02.560 --> 1:34:06.679 people are used to basically control and dictate the culture 1:34:06.960 --> 1:34:09.639 to where the streets don't have no say no more. 1:34:10.000 --> 1:34:15.400 That's pretty much what eminem corporate radio comes in. Now, 1:34:15.520 --> 1:34:22.040 they can just cater to that and then separate the audience. 1:34:22.640 --> 1:34:24.719 But is there a problem with that? Like, of course 1:34:24.760 --> 1:34:27.439 there is because that takes that takes money out of 1:34:27.479 --> 1:34:32.160 the hood. But the same the same people who are 1:34:32.240 --> 1:34:34.640 buying from the hood and don't have to normal. But 1:34:34.720 --> 1:34:36.960 who is they when you say that they are using him? 1:34:37.080 --> 1:34:39.160 Is it the same people that j College talk about. 1:34:39.400 --> 1:34:42.200 They don't want you to win, they don't want you 1:34:42.280 --> 1:34:45.360 to water your plants, they don't want you to smoke weed. 1:34:46.000 --> 1:34:48.600 Is that the same days? I don't know. I just 1:34:48.800 --> 1:34:51.360 know what that. Look the people, the movers and shakers 1:34:51.360 --> 1:34:54.439 in this industry right here that control the vehicles. You know, 1:34:54.479 --> 1:34:57.880 I'm saying that the ones you know who who who 1:34:58.200 --> 1:35:00.200 you know? Big money, take no money, big bag, take 1:35:00.280 --> 1:35:02.800 little bank. You know what I'm saying, monopoly and everything else. 1:35:03.040 --> 1:35:05.800 Whatever you're gonna think, whatever you thought about it, how 1:35:05.920 --> 1:35:10.360 you think about it. You know what I'm saying. Folks 1:35:10.400 --> 1:35:13.280 always bought into hip hop. I'm gonna switch the subject 1:35:13.280 --> 1:35:16.000 a little bit because you're a pillar of hip hop. 1:35:16.200 --> 1:35:18.599 Both of you, guys, they're both are legends. You guys 1:35:18.640 --> 1:35:23.320 are still talking. You very dispect you leaving hum very just. 1:35:24.080 --> 1:35:28.960 I got perfect friends and pologized. But it's been a 1:35:29.000 --> 1:35:33.720 controversy going on right now right what's what African bamboo? Right? 1:35:34.160 --> 1:35:37.880 Caress One is on our show. I want to defend 1:35:37.960 --> 1:35:42.599 carrerass One because I got get some more brother. Yeah, 1:35:42.680 --> 1:35:46.160 so I had caress One on the show. I asked 1:35:46.200 --> 1:35:50.360 Harris One about the African banbada thing. Caress One, I 1:35:50.400 --> 1:35:52.760 don't want to say he dodged the question. He just said, 1:35:53.120 --> 1:35:55.720 that's my man. And once she said that's my man, 1:35:56.640 --> 1:35:59.320 I kind of got uncomfortable and I switched the subject. 1:35:59.560 --> 1:36:02.960 Plus after that. Before that, I was giving care of 1:36:03.080 --> 1:36:05.560 us mad my ties to get him drunk, similar to 1:36:05.640 --> 1:36:07.639 the how I'm doing with you right now. You're drinking 1:36:07.640 --> 1:36:10.479 Hennessy and drinking park grinds. The first person I'll to 1:36:10.560 --> 1:36:12.800 eat ball, Goddamn, it makes no noise for you know, 1:36:16.080 --> 1:36:18.080 the first person to bring balk shoulder to my career, 1:36:18.160 --> 1:36:19.800 but not the first person to eat ball on the 1:36:20.080 --> 1:36:23.800 Ring Chance podcast. What do you think about the African man? 1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:26.040 Bout the situation? Both of you guys, I don't even 1:36:26.040 --> 1:36:29.920 know the situation. Okay, all right, me need to do 1:36:30.080 --> 1:36:37.880 I don't you don't you know, I mean, I don't 1:36:37.880 --> 1:36:42.400 know what the situation. You finish, what you're done, you're starting. 1:36:42.400 --> 1:36:45.360 Don't you be getting it? Come on, tell me a situation. Man. 1:36:45.680 --> 1:36:47.160 If you ain't know it, then you know I'm not. 1:36:47.200 --> 1:36:49.800 I'm not bringing in a situation. I'm come on, help 1:36:49.800 --> 1:36:52.040 me out. You gotta do you know not on that 1:36:52.240 --> 1:36:56.360 not of that situation. Let's tear it up. So the unsigned, hype, 1:36:57.479 --> 1:37:02.400 the mic system, the source of worlds, the algor, the 1:37:02.479 --> 1:37:07.240 joint with you on Mario winning, all of that. You 1:37:07.360 --> 1:37:10.519 did love in hip hop? I mean rock the party 1:37:10.640 --> 1:37:13.639 was we had a couple of we had a couple 1:37:13.640 --> 1:37:17.720 of shows, Rocket party. What what was out when that was? 1:37:18.320 --> 1:37:23.439 When it's loving hip hop thing? It wasn't presented to me. 1:37:23.720 --> 1:37:27.519 It wasn't okay, It just I was giving Stevie was 1:37:27.560 --> 1:37:29.800 staying with me, I was riding to the set, were 1:37:29.800 --> 1:37:34.040 staying together, you know, in Atlanta, and righting to said 1:37:34.120 --> 1:37:36.599 just chilling. And then you know they asked me um 1:37:37.160 --> 1:37:39.840 basically like you know, because I was talking to him 1:37:39.840 --> 1:37:42.240 already he has Michael, and I was just like yo, 1:37:42.360 --> 1:37:45.480 you know, you know, you just try to be monogamous 1:37:45.560 --> 1:37:48.280 and ship then it was like one woman, right, and 1:37:48.360 --> 1:37:50.200 then it was like what you said on camera? And 1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:52.400 I was like, yeah, I say it on camera. They 1:37:52.520 --> 1:37:53.880 miked me up and I was the first time I 1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:56.360 was on and I did that driving sea with him 1:37:57.439 --> 1:37:59.160 because you know what I'm saying, I was never casting 1:37:59.240 --> 1:38:01.720 for it then. So so what happened? Why why you 1:38:01.800 --> 1:38:03.519 not owned up? But hip hop? No more? What is that? 1:38:03.600 --> 1:38:05.080 I mean, it was a situation that happened, you know 1:38:05.439 --> 1:38:08.160 at the reunion you know, okay, you know where you 1:38:08.240 --> 1:38:12.040 know the last part snuff y'alls, like, let's just going 1:38:12.120 --> 1:38:21.640 out there. She is that what happened? A little bit? 1:38:22.160 --> 1:38:24.439 She trying to snuff your wife. Listen, every man and 1:38:24.880 --> 1:38:26.760 every world nigger in the world will will do the 1:38:26.800 --> 1:38:29.439 same thing. No, of course, you know, yeah, I'm gonna 1:38:29.439 --> 1:38:32.000 protect my right. It's not like you're a woman. But 1:38:32.120 --> 1:38:33.920 that's not that's not nothing like that. That's not what 1:38:33.960 --> 1:38:37.200 I'm saying. No, no, no, she's kind of you know, 1:38:37.240 --> 1:38:44.559 I'm choking on right. So why there's so many people 1:38:44.560 --> 1:38:46.960 who did so much worse things? And love and hip hop? 1:38:47.040 --> 1:38:51.519 Why do you do you think you're being? Like, just look, 1:38:51.600 --> 1:38:54.280 Love and hip hop was a great situation for me. Um, 1:38:55.000 --> 1:38:57.080 you know, like I said, it was something that I 1:38:57.120 --> 1:38:59.560 didn't know I was gonna be a part of. You know, 1:38:59.600 --> 1:39:01.560 I didn't bunch of seasons. A lot happened to me 1:39:01.680 --> 1:39:04.439 on that I got shocked, you know. Oh year, yeah 1:39:04.680 --> 1:39:08.200 you remember that's crazy. My mom's past, God bless yea. Yeah, 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:10.200 but that lot you say, yeah, So it's like a 1:39:10.280 --> 1:39:13.120 lot happened in those years just in my life. So 1:39:13.320 --> 1:39:15.280 it was you know, love and hip hop was deep. Um, 1:39:15.960 --> 1:39:17.760 you know, love and hip hop was you know, shout 1:39:17.800 --> 1:39:19.560 out to love and hip hop. Man, I got you 1:39:19.600 --> 1:39:20.559 know what I mean, Like you know what I mean? 1:39:20.640 --> 1:39:28.160 Like recently, ain't me talking? Man and Stevie was just 1:39:28.280 --> 1:39:32.720 back in the studio. You and Stevie. The crazy thing 1:39:32.920 --> 1:39:35.960 is you know how your your boy call you and 1:39:36.080 --> 1:39:39.680 your boys say, you know, he's like I always. I 1:39:39.760 --> 1:39:42.040 know your guys are brothers like y'are gonna. I know 1:39:42.160 --> 1:39:45.760 it's different, but you know what I'm saying, Like, I know, 1:39:45.840 --> 1:39:47.439 you guys got a lot of love for each other. 1:39:47.520 --> 1:39:48.800 You know what I'm saying. Do you think it was 1:39:48.920 --> 1:39:52.040 loving hip hop who separated y'all? Or you think yeah? 1:39:52.080 --> 1:39:55.880 I mean, you know what I mean? Money or no, 1:39:57.200 --> 1:39:59.840 not never the money because me and Sleeves ain't like 1:40:00.000 --> 1:40:02.320 out with us. It was definitely a situation with with 1:40:02.640 --> 1:40:05.160 with the you know, he was under presciures his situation. 1:40:05.200 --> 1:40:08.639 I was underprecious my situation. Things happened, you know, things happen, 1:40:08.880 --> 1:40:11.479 Things happen in relationships and family. And you know what 1:40:11.479 --> 1:40:15.000 I'm saying that I don't think, you know, I don't know, man, 1:40:15.040 --> 1:40:18.240 I just don't think like I don't think. You know, 1:40:18.320 --> 1:40:21.000 when you do reality TV, man, you can like really 1:40:21.800 --> 1:40:25.200 try to hold it against somebody, because man, people do 1:40:25.360 --> 1:40:27.920 things just for the for these for these things, for 1:40:28.000 --> 1:40:31.519 the cameras, and it's like, you know, you gotta know that, 1:40:31.920 --> 1:40:33.519 you know, if the cameras wasn't there with it to 1:40:33.600 --> 1:40:36.720 be like that, there's no excuse for it, you know 1:40:36.760 --> 1:40:38.519 what I'm saying. So how did you guys work it out? 1:40:39.840 --> 1:40:42.120 It's just man, just gonna take time. Man, you say 1:40:42.200 --> 1:40:43.760 it wasn't you know what I mean? Time? Hells all? 1:40:43.840 --> 1:40:45.160 You know what I'm saying. I mean both of us 1:40:45.280 --> 1:40:48.600 understood what happened, and you know, like where where we 1:40:48.680 --> 1:40:51.640 stood with each other, like we don't that was unfortunate? 1:40:51.800 --> 1:40:54.160 What what what took place there, and it was unfortunate 1:40:54.240 --> 1:40:58.360 took place on camera and ship. Like when you ask 1:40:58.439 --> 1:41:01.479 me if I regret things, I regret that. Okay, let's 1:41:01.479 --> 1:41:07.120 make some noise for that, goddamn because because another thing 1:41:07.240 --> 1:41:08.840 is like I didn't bring out there on love hip 1:41:08.880 --> 1:41:11.120 hop for none of that ship to be fighting and 1:41:11.200 --> 1:41:12.640 all that. Like, I'm not with none of that, to 1:41:12.680 --> 1:41:14.439 be honest, I'm really not with that because you know, 1:41:15.080 --> 1:41:17.240 we fight enough off camera, the fun out whole guys, 1:41:17.400 --> 1:41:19.240 why are we gonna go on camera? You know what 1:41:19.280 --> 1:41:21.360 I'm saying. Not no, so I don't you know what 1:41:21.360 --> 1:41:23.920 I'm saying. It's just it just it just it was unfortunate. Man, 1:41:23.920 --> 1:41:26.920 it was something that happened. You know. Guys had the 1:41:26.960 --> 1:41:30.360 seven five seven group, right, yeah, seven fifty seven, Yeah, 1:41:30.439 --> 1:41:34.160 rest of the piece, Big Cap too, did Cat Cat 1:41:34.240 --> 1:41:41.040 get Big Cap? We love you? My brother Cap Cap 1:41:41.120 --> 1:41:43.320 had hosted the seven fifty seven tape that on that 1:41:43.439 --> 1:41:47.560 piff you go at that Piffe downloaded? Yeah, So that 1:41:47.760 --> 1:41:49.840 he passed away and then you guys come back together. 1:41:49.960 --> 1:41:53.759 That this was crazy about it because we wasn't together. 1:41:53.960 --> 1:41:56.120 He was he was like, yo, let me just put 1:41:56.120 --> 1:41:58.120 the music out, and he said, yo, I ran to 1:41:58.200 --> 1:42:00.160 Stevie and he said he's here. That's cool. When I 1:42:00.280 --> 1:42:02.160 was like, word this cause that we can put it out, 1:42:02.200 --> 1:42:04.960 that's dope. Mind you. Me and Steven wasn't talking two years, 1:42:05.080 --> 1:42:07.120 you know. And you guys were not only like the 1:42:07.200 --> 1:42:10.519 first people with the magazines and let the culture, not 1:42:10.720 --> 1:42:13.280 the first people were doing compilations under the coach. I 1:42:13.360 --> 1:42:16.000 remember you guys were the first people to own studios. 1:42:16.400 --> 1:42:18.880 I remember you own a studio in Manhattan. Was that 1:42:18.960 --> 1:42:25.479 called the Source? You own a big studio. I remember 1:42:25.560 --> 1:42:27.400 you asked me to do a verse or something or 1:42:27.479 --> 1:42:29.920 come meet you. And I came there. You know, the 1:42:30.520 --> 1:42:33.120 actually called me. I walked through. You guys had like 1:42:33.439 --> 1:42:35.680 they had to be like five million dollar studio. You 1:42:35.840 --> 1:42:40.080 walked in, you had blue carpet. It was I walked through. 1:42:40.360 --> 1:42:42.400 I know, I was like mad. We rolled up. I 1:42:42.479 --> 1:42:44.040 was like, yea, I'm gonna go outside and smoke. He 1:42:44.120 --> 1:42:47.519 was like, Cass, I've spoke for what spoken? Yeah, Like, 1:42:47.680 --> 1:42:50.320 you guys had all type of endeavors. Man, what's the 1:42:50.400 --> 1:42:53.599 next endeavor that you guys, Dave Mays and Ben Zino 1:42:53.760 --> 1:42:56.320 is gonna do? You really want to know, man, I 1:42:56.360 --> 1:42:58.519 really want to know manfact, your named this album on 1:42:58.640 --> 1:43:01.000 our on our podcast, give us something bad, because one 1:43:01.000 --> 1:43:06.320 of us goes, you know, crab traps everywhere, but you 1:43:06.439 --> 1:43:10.519 haven't talked about that, Benzino, crab traps in every city 1:43:10.960 --> 1:43:14.720 and my sauce and every supermarket. Let's do it make 1:43:14.880 --> 1:43:21.679 noise to sound bad? I don't know we're a madman. 1:43:21.760 --> 1:43:25.719 It's not wo man as I mean to say, sauce everybody. Yeah, 1:43:26.439 --> 1:43:29.040 it doesn't make it bad, it doesn't make it better. So, um, 1:43:29.520 --> 1:43:31.960 how did you come up with like me? I mean 1:43:32.040 --> 1:43:35.160 for the lamest, that's what you say, right, layman, for 1:43:35.240 --> 1:43:38.800 the layman, Like I knew, like one time Zeno King 1:43:38.880 --> 1:43:40.880 of the Crib. You know what I'm saying, it was 1:43:40.960 --> 1:43:44.240 something going on with it. Oh that's just straight parapple 1:43:44.880 --> 1:43:49.439 all right? This this ain't for straight parapple drinks because 1:43:49.439 --> 1:43:53.160 there's no more around. I'm gonna hit this armor down, man, 1:43:53.439 --> 1:43:57.519 go on, let me finish. So I knew you had 1:43:57.600 --> 1:44:00.920 love for cooking, right, but most people who got love 1:44:01.000 --> 1:44:03.320 for basketball doesn't mean they're gonna play in the NBA. 1:44:04.479 --> 1:44:07.720 What made you take this risk with this restaurant? I 1:44:07.760 --> 1:44:09.639 mean it was like a little risk. You know, crabs 1:44:09.720 --> 1:44:12.360 is low risks. I was only gonna do crabs. You 1:44:12.439 --> 1:44:16.600 know what I'm saying. Yeah, So I mean it was 1:44:16.640 --> 1:44:19.240 like a little small place I had been. Dave turned 1:44:19.240 --> 1:44:21.240 me onto the little Korean spot over there, Big Joy. 1:44:21.840 --> 1:44:24.040 It was in the same strip, Modest, Big Joy, Mariotta. 1:44:24.920 --> 1:44:26.839 It was already kind of built out as a restaurant, 1:44:27.160 --> 1:44:31.000 a little small spot like fifty square feet. So I said, man, 1:44:31.040 --> 1:44:34.000 it's perfect little crab spot. But the whole thing was 1:44:34.880 --> 1:44:36.519 I had to develop these sauces for it. I just 1:44:36.640 --> 1:44:39.920 wasn't gonna do like a crab old bass season. And 1:44:40.720 --> 1:44:41.880 you know what I'm saying I want to do is 1:44:41.920 --> 1:44:45.200 I want to take it further. So it was like, um, 1:44:45.880 --> 1:44:47.600 I developed the sauces. The first one was like the 1:44:47.720 --> 1:44:49.840 Zeno sauce because I heard you win somewhere like l 1:44:49.920 --> 1:44:51.880 A and you've seen yeah La. It was like these 1:44:51.960 --> 1:44:55.240 Koreans like that's like they do crabs differently, where like 1:44:55.280 --> 1:44:59.680 they incorporate sauces with it. So I said, well, if 1:44:59.720 --> 1:45:02.280 I put my own twist all the sausage, see what 1:45:02.360 --> 1:45:06.800 happens to me. About four months to really like what 1:45:06.920 --> 1:45:10.040 Nelson was saying, did you think he was crazy when 1:45:10.080 --> 1:45:12.360 he wanted to go into the crab business. You guys 1:45:12.400 --> 1:45:14.840 are in the compilations. You guys are in the source 1:45:14.880 --> 1:45:18.280 of world. You guys are into music. You guys are 1:45:18.320 --> 1:45:21.080 into and now you want to sell fool like did you? 1:45:21.160 --> 1:45:24.040 I mean, he always wanted to do something like this. 1:45:24.600 --> 1:45:26.680 This is not He was always into had something on 1:45:26.800 --> 1:45:31.240 Miami Beach, remember that too, But he was he was 1:45:31.560 --> 1:45:38.240 certain about it was going to be. Remember, no, no, 1:45:38.320 --> 1:45:41.519 I got Pepper space. It's crazy. It's like it's like 1:45:41.600 --> 1:45:44.320 a rose just got hot. I walked in the club. 1:45:44.760 --> 1:45:47.080 This is what was it called, you know clubs? You 1:45:47.120 --> 1:45:52.280 know y'all. Ro was there. Jo Roule invites me going there, 1:45:53.439 --> 1:45:55.799 going there, all the six bottles of roles. I remember 1:45:55.880 --> 1:45:58.640 they had to be at least hunted the peaks. But 1:45:58.800 --> 1:46:00.599 I'm like, these things is doing? This was like your 1:46:00.640 --> 1:46:03.400 birthday or jib roll birthday. I don't remember. It's birthday, 1:46:03.479 --> 1:46:05.120 the job birthday. So I'm like, all right, cool, I'm 1:46:05.160 --> 1:46:07.320 not accident. Next from bottles, they got us all evishly, 1:46:07.720 --> 1:46:10.639 go to six bottles of rolls. She just came out 1:46:10.720 --> 1:46:12.479 and then and then a fight broke out and then 1:46:12.560 --> 1:46:16.679 Pepper sprayed the whole club. I sat there in preper suad. 1:46:17.200 --> 1:46:19.280 Let's go said he got this game that needed too 1:46:19.320 --> 1:46:22.519 bunch of money. My nigga, I'm drinking my bottles. I 1:46:22.600 --> 1:46:24.280 was like, it was all my good and it was like, 1:46:24.360 --> 1:46:29.040 you good. The whole club that I said, fuck, but 1:46:29.200 --> 1:46:32.519 you know how crazy it is the buy bottles just 1:46:32.640 --> 1:46:35.479 sit down and everybody else leave and you just really 1:46:35.560 --> 1:46:38.760 want to trick your ship funk that I don't even get. 1:46:39.560 --> 1:46:41.599 I'm saying, right here, give me one way, just ba 1:46:43.320 --> 1:46:45.080 And that was crazy. I got preppersuade the first time 1:46:45.120 --> 1:46:50.720 I got purpose, don't that was no best club was 1:46:50.840 --> 1:46:53.080 no best club? What is what is there now? It's 1:46:53.160 --> 1:46:57.800 it's it was It was American pattle. Now. That was 1:46:57.840 --> 1:47:00.160 the second flight at the second floor. Joint was on 1:47:00.200 --> 1:47:01.840 the second floor. That's the first plash was on the 1:47:01.880 --> 1:47:03.519 second floor. So I just want to let y'all know, 1:47:03.720 --> 1:47:05.720 like before we get up out of here, man, is 1:47:05.760 --> 1:47:08.160 there anything you want to get off y'all chests? If 1:47:08.200 --> 1:47:10.280 anything y'all want to, you know, get to the bottom line, 1:47:10.320 --> 1:47:11.720 you know, because I know I've been messing with you. 1:47:11.920 --> 1:47:14.400 You know, I'm just messing with you at least was jokes. No, 1:47:14.560 --> 1:47:16.720 I mean I just know. I'm just I definitely mean, 1:47:16.880 --> 1:47:18.640 I definitely been down to come do this. You know 1:47:18.640 --> 1:47:23.519 what I'm saying, Brother, I appreciate that. Thank someone. Thank 1:47:23.560 --> 1:47:25.759 you so much. Man. You guys bring in my corner forever. 1:47:25.920 --> 1:47:29.439 I that's something I gotta say. You know, Um, you 1:47:29.479 --> 1:47:31.920 guys been at my corner before we even messed with 1:47:32.040 --> 1:47:34.920 each other. But we wind up living in the same building, 1:47:35.360 --> 1:47:37.880 and it was something that it was. It was a 1:47:37.960 --> 1:47:40.200 peer of love, you know what I'm saying, Like, Um, 1:47:41.640 --> 1:47:43.840 there's a peer of love. It wasn't nothing like no 1:47:44.080 --> 1:47:45.960 fake that God Like, I need to get in y'all ship, 1:47:46.240 --> 1:47:48.560 like we're gonna handle each other. We're gonna you know. 1:47:49.040 --> 1:47:51.240 It was again, Oh yeah, that's what. That's what. That's 1:47:51.280 --> 1:47:55.360 what the reality show people were, you know what I'm saying. 1:47:55.479 --> 1:47:59.559 So it's the one thing, one thing I definitely need 1:47:59.600 --> 1:48:01.400 to know because don't y'all remember when we met that 1:48:01.479 --> 1:48:04.160 I wanted the documentary with y'all. Oh yeah about this, 1:48:05.120 --> 1:48:06.760 and you know, I'm glad we're finally here doing this, 1:48:06.840 --> 1:48:08.600 but this is not a good fun. When is a 1:48:08.760 --> 1:48:14.160 real serious documentary the legacy of the source, because that 1:48:14.320 --> 1:48:16.640 needs to happen now can't you do that or you 1:48:16.640 --> 1:48:19.960 would have to clear that? Um do they own it? 1:48:20.000 --> 1:48:21.880 They would have to be a joint clearance because they 1:48:21.960 --> 1:48:24.200 own the name now, so if it was to be 1:48:24.360 --> 1:48:26.479 like a thing, they would have to clear the name 1:48:26.520 --> 1:48:29.760 of us. We have to call it the force, right, oh, 1:48:29.840 --> 1:48:32.880 the creators of the soul you want? I mean, But 1:48:32.960 --> 1:48:34.560 I don't think Londa would have a problem with that, 1:48:34.640 --> 1:48:36.240 you know what I mean? How about you calling the 1:48:36.360 --> 1:48:38.640 history I think the culture needs and as all us 1:48:38.760 --> 1:48:42.519 Source longdel has to be involved probefully, you know, because 1:48:42.560 --> 1:48:45.080 no problem with that. You know, it makes sense to 1:48:45.160 --> 1:48:50.960 do it like chronicles because we ain't got no be 1:48:51.160 --> 1:48:53.120 for nobody. But at the end of the day, the 1:48:53.240 --> 1:48:56.200 history is what it is. Everybody's gonna have their opinions. 1:48:56.520 --> 1:48:58.160 But the way I look at it's over now. You 1:48:58.200 --> 1:49:01.479 people gotta put that ship behind the move Now. Should 1:49:01.520 --> 1:49:05.280 there be a Source magazine story? Of course? Of course? Yeah, 1:49:05.320 --> 1:49:09.880 I'm saying of course it should be because um, I mean, 1:49:10.640 --> 1:49:13.880 and I'm not trying to start any controversial things. Do 1:49:14.000 --> 1:49:16.639 you ever just look at the source now and be like, damn, 1:49:17.479 --> 1:49:20.840 I'm upset how they took it like and not no, no, 1:49:21.080 --> 1:49:24.519 not only because of of of of how every other 1:49:24.600 --> 1:49:26.920 magazine like The Source really is the last at your 1:49:26.960 --> 1:49:30.479 sales going vibes going. I mean like Russell Simmonds. Russell 1:49:30.520 --> 1:49:33.439 Simmons is one of my icons', one of my idols. 1:49:34.880 --> 1:49:40.840 But when it didn't Comere really make the sauce cover. Yeah, 1:49:40.840 --> 1:49:43.479 I think she did, Like that's not what y'all was 1:49:43.560 --> 1:49:45.640 on there. I think she did. She did. She was 1:49:45.680 --> 1:49:47.599 one of the first ones after we had got Yeah. Yeah, 1:49:47.600 --> 1:49:54.559 after y'all did yeah, after because David we was doing 1:49:55.680 --> 1:49:59.080 right with Mary sitting on the ice. Yeah, iconic joint 1:49:59.360 --> 1:50:05.280 like Biggie over the buildings, iconic d you know, to 1:50:05.360 --> 1:50:08.400 the man with the ship all up in his nose, 1:50:08.560 --> 1:50:10.640 Like you know what I'm saying when you see like 1:50:10.800 --> 1:50:13.880 when you see like the putting like sports figures or 1:50:14.040 --> 1:50:16.559 like people who are models on the cover, Like are 1:50:16.600 --> 1:50:21.680 you disappointing? Yeah? Yeah, but I'm just saying, like the 1:50:21.800 --> 1:50:24.080 original sort like when you look at it now, like 1:50:24.240 --> 1:50:27.800 you walk through an airport, you're telling man, I don't 1:50:27.800 --> 1:50:29.679 look at it. Just doesn't It's it's a different time, 1:50:29.760 --> 1:50:31.840 you know, there ain't really I don't look at no 1:50:31.960 --> 1:50:35.639 magazines honestly, like hip hop Weekly fits fits the format 1:50:35.720 --> 1:50:39.400 of Today, but any other magazine like that, it's just 1:50:39.520 --> 1:50:42.600 a different time. Now. Everything is internet phone you know 1:50:42.640 --> 1:50:44.719 what I'm saying. Everything seems to be internet and phone. 1:50:45.040 --> 1:50:47.160 Hip Hop Weekly works because of the format of how 1:50:47.479 --> 1:50:50.840 US weeklies you know of like US weeklies and everything. 1:50:51.240 --> 1:50:53.800 But you know, I just don't look at it like that. No. 1:50:54.080 --> 1:50:57.400 I mean, even if even if it was, I just don't. 1:50:57.439 --> 1:51:00.599 It's not in a time where it could shine anyways. Source, 1:51:00.680 --> 1:51:02.560 you know what I mean, It just don't. So I 1:51:02.680 --> 1:51:04.400 know I kind of asked you this in a different way. 1:51:04.439 --> 1:51:07.120 So what's the new move man? Are you gonna stick 1:51:07.160 --> 1:51:11.519 with reality? Are you gonna uh continue with the with 1:51:11.640 --> 1:51:14.960 the magazine, or you guys are gonna do some phenomenal 1:51:15.040 --> 1:51:17.679 thing to change the culture again it's been You're about 1:51:17.720 --> 1:51:20.840 to celebrate thirty years and well, look we need another 1:51:22.160 --> 1:51:25.160 I'm saying hip Hop Weekly, TV, hip hop weely TV 1:51:25.720 --> 1:51:28.320 definitely me and out thing is about to um do 1:51:28.479 --> 1:51:31.720 your own show. Um that it's the first time you 1:51:31.800 --> 1:51:33.880 heard about that. I can't cancel on that work. I can't, 1:51:34.000 --> 1:51:35.640 but I can take that makes a noise. But we 1:51:35.760 --> 1:51:38.160 don't know, But I don't know but we still can't 1:51:38.160 --> 1:51:43.960 make a noise TV. We don't well we spread in 1:51:44.040 --> 1:51:45.720 the room, but we spread in the room. Don't got 1:51:45.800 --> 1:51:49.679 his own TV. I'm still don't. I'm still you're still working. 1:51:49.720 --> 1:51:52.439 I'm still working with Carlos King on next fifteen, season 1:51:52.479 --> 1:51:56.559 two on TV one looking like season two years season 1:51:56.640 --> 1:51:59.639 one success. And you know we're just crab trap man. 1:51:59.800 --> 1:52:01.080 And you know what I'm saying that sind you ever 1:52:01.200 --> 1:52:03.720 think you'll be doing reality went back from back then? 1:52:04.080 --> 1:52:08.240 No hell, no help. You know, if you if you 1:52:08.479 --> 1:52:10.400 still have the source being on top, you probably be 1:52:10.520 --> 1:52:14.280 like reality is not reality, not because it's reality TV 1:52:14.840 --> 1:52:17.160 is all what you make it. See, it's it's you know, 1:52:17.320 --> 1:52:19.360 if you if you make yourself a fool, you will 1:52:19.400 --> 1:52:21.080 be gonna be You're gonna be looked on as a fool. 1:52:21.200 --> 1:52:23.040 But you know what I'm saying, By at the end 1:52:23.080 --> 1:52:24.680 of the day, like you as long as you are 1:52:24.720 --> 1:52:26.600 who you are, and if you don't mind who you 1:52:26.720 --> 1:52:29.519 are and and and comfortable with who you are, then 1:52:29.640 --> 1:52:31.679 you could do reality TV. Well let's make a noise 1:52:31.720 --> 1:52:38.960 for you know, being political. You're right, you've been the 1:52:39.040 --> 1:52:43.320 brains behind the operation for ever. You would like being 1:52:43.560 --> 1:52:45.519 you like you like you know what I mean by that? 1:52:45.640 --> 1:52:54.719 It's like, you know what alcohol, this thing is bred 1:52:55.240 --> 1:52:57.679 all the chaser. He's a foul guy. He's my brother. 1:52:58.520 --> 1:53:04.519 He's also folk show. But um so I don't want 1:53:04.520 --> 1:53:07.160 to say people do something over because that's kind of corny. 1:53:07.840 --> 1:53:12.880 But um what you think this next big endeavor that 1:53:13.040 --> 1:53:15.920 you you want to do yourself? Now? I mean what 1:53:16.040 --> 1:53:17.519 I mean, like not what I was, you know what 1:53:17.520 --> 1:53:19.800 I mean, just just the next big idea for you? 1:53:19.920 --> 1:53:21.599 What you think is that because you was the guy 1:53:21.640 --> 1:53:24.719 who invested in the internet and then people didn't believe 1:53:24.760 --> 1:53:26.560 who it didn't work at that time. But guess what, 1:53:26.720 --> 1:53:29.360 the Internet is working now. So that makes you nor Thomas, 1:53:30.360 --> 1:53:33.120 what is your next idea? You know, I think it's 1:53:33.360 --> 1:53:37.080 still that there's not there's not a voice for the 1:53:37.200 --> 1:53:41.800 culture in South there and and the culture is powerful 1:53:41.920 --> 1:53:45.280 because you know, you have what they call the millennials, 1:53:45.439 --> 1:53:49.080 which is the millennials make it happen, right, Well, that's 1:53:49.200 --> 1:53:53.360 that's the demographic that that all corporations are gonna be 1:53:53.439 --> 1:53:56.200 targeting for the next twenty or thirty years. And there's 1:53:56.320 --> 1:54:01.200 ninety five million of them. There was seventy eight million 1:54:01.320 --> 1:54:03.559 baby boomers. You heard of the baby boomers, I've never 1:54:03.640 --> 1:54:06.360 heard of where they were. They were the biggest largest 1:54:06.479 --> 1:54:12.680 previous generation in American baby boomers. Yes, yes, any hip 1:54:12.760 --> 1:54:16.559 hop that's that's really where to to be a voice 1:54:16.640 --> 1:54:19.519 for them. I think we think me a d G 1:54:20.080 --> 1:54:23.360 has filled that voice for the villenniums. Not on y'all level. 1:54:23.439 --> 1:54:26.400 We can never like the thing about it is a 1:54:26.479 --> 1:54:29.680 lot of people, a lot of people. They big up 1:54:29.720 --> 1:54:32.760 all podcasts because there's nineties stories and there's ninety babies 1:54:32.760 --> 1:54:34.920 that listen to it. But I could honestly say that 1:54:35.000 --> 1:54:37.960 I could never make the impact of the sources ever made. 1:54:38.360 --> 1:54:41.360 I could never make a system like I tried to. 1:54:41.760 --> 1:54:44.480 You know this drinking competition that we just had, you know, 1:54:44.600 --> 1:54:46.920 do we we try to do that. We're all guests. 1:54:47.080 --> 1:54:52.560 It's not like the fives. I'm trying to thank you Davy. 1:54:52.680 --> 1:54:55.680 He's a positive guy, man, how five day he's my friend, man. 1:54:56.080 --> 1:54:58.919 But this just makes a noise for motherfucking the original. 1:54:59.040 --> 1:55:05.800 So let's make some noise. Rousino drinking all the tracers, 1:55:05.880 --> 1:55:08.320 so now we gotta drink straight. So, man, guys, I 1:55:08.360 --> 1:55:10.280 want to I can't thank you're enough. Man. I know 1:55:10.360 --> 1:55:12.400 you guys didn't have to do that. I know you 1:55:12.480 --> 1:55:14.560 guys didn't have to fly in from l A. I 1:55:14.680 --> 1:55:16.680 know you guys didn't have to stop from whatever you 1:55:16.760 --> 1:55:20.680 guys are doing. I really appreciate it because people um that. 1:55:20.880 --> 1:55:24.160 Our listeners, they love these nineties stories, these eighties stories, 1:55:24.280 --> 1:55:27.240 these two thousand stories, these two thousands and ten stories, 1:55:27.280 --> 1:55:30.280 and these hip hop stories, and that's where we cater to. 1:55:30.600 --> 1:55:32.400 We're not trying to get the guy who's hot. We're 1:55:32.440 --> 1:55:34.440 not trying to get the guy who's on his press run. 1:55:34.680 --> 1:55:36.600 We're not trying to get the guy who's just happened 1:55:36.640 --> 1:55:38.800 to be around. We're trying to get legends who have 1:55:38.960 --> 1:55:42.400 real stories. And you guys came, you participated. You never 1:55:42.480 --> 1:55:44.600 stopped us one second. As you don't sweat it for 1:55:44.640 --> 1:55:46.280 a minute. He jumped off the camera for a man 1:55:46.880 --> 1:55:49.080 that he didn't stop. He came in. It has been 1:55:49.120 --> 1:55:51.040 a good sport and that's what this is all about. 1:55:51.160 --> 1:55:53.760 This is not about. This is about us getting together, 1:55:53.880 --> 1:55:57.320 getting drunk and telling stories. And you guys did what 1:55:57.440 --> 1:56:00.720 you had to do, and I can't thank you man. Yeah, yeah, 1:56:00.720 --> 1:56:03.560 you gotta do it. Is there anything else any of 1:56:03.720 --> 1:56:08.080 you want to say I would like, man, Man, there 1:56:08.160 --> 1:56:10.080 was a pleasure pleasure here and it's gonna be a 1:56:10.160 --> 1:56:14.080 part and it's gotta be a yeah. But but but 1:56:14.240 --> 1:56:19.880 also let me thank you for um uh, you know 1:56:19.960 --> 1:56:23.440 you're the first guy who's on my food and on 1:56:23.560 --> 1:56:26.360 the podcast. You know say go play once too. I 1:56:26.400 --> 1:56:29.240 thought about it. Lay was to you know what I'm saying, 1:56:29.320 --> 1:56:32.400 but you're doing it live, then play. But um, I 1:56:32.480 --> 1:56:34.640 can't thank you guys enough man for let me into 1:56:34.640 --> 1:56:38.040 your life. You know, um, I do it with league. 1:56:38.280 --> 1:56:41.720 We play around with the stories and you guys are 1:56:41.720 --> 1:56:44.640 a great sport man. And what you guys could contribute 1:56:44.680 --> 1:56:47.360 it to hip hop could never be replicated. Just in 1:56:47.440 --> 1:56:50.920 case you guys didn't know, the things that y'all gave 1:56:51.040 --> 1:56:54.120 to hip hop, things that you gave to me personally 1:56:54.720 --> 1:56:57.800 is personally appreciated. I'm glad that I could later on 1:56:57.960 --> 1:57:00.160 in life call you guys my friends because you gave 1:57:00.200 --> 1:57:02.680 me love before you even knew me. And I'm glad 1:57:02.800 --> 1:57:05.720 that after we guys we knew each other, we continue 1:57:05.840 --> 1:57:08.960 our relationship. And I appreciate you guys being a part 1:57:09.000 --> 1:57:11.400 of this podcast. Brother, you know what I'm saying. I 1:57:11.480 --> 1:57:15.040 appreciate it the original source, the Goose. Let's not just 1:57:15.200 --> 1:57:17.520 focusing on me for a second. This is the dudes 1:57:17.640 --> 1:57:21.200 that made something that people call a hip hop bible. 1:57:21.400 --> 1:57:23.480 I don't care what you're doing hip hop. I don't 1:57:23.520 --> 1:57:25.560 give a funk what you try to replicate. I don't 1:57:25.560 --> 1:57:27.320 give a funk what you try to make. This is 1:57:27.440 --> 1:57:31.520 nothing that people are gonna call it the hip hop bible, 1:57:31.720 --> 1:57:35.080 my motherfucker. And listen, this is what I think. This 1:57:35.240 --> 1:57:38.520 is what I think. In a hundred years, the original 1:57:38.680 --> 1:57:41.920 Source magazines will be read like a hip hop bible. 1:57:42.280 --> 1:57:46.080 That's what I think. God bless you, motherfucker. Good night, 1:57:46.400 --> 1:57:49.240 God bless you. Motherfucker's we gotta some some touching ship. 1:57:49.560 --> 1:57:51.600 And they stood here and they took the heat. It's 1:57:51.640 --> 1:58:01.360 going down, drink chat podcast fun. I'm just going into 1:58:01.800 --> 1:58:11.600 let's go with in m