WEBVTT - Ep. 331: Getting Skunked at The Navel 0:00:08.920 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eat podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.319 bug bitten in my case underwear listening un podcast, you 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:24.080 can't predict anything presented by First Light, creating proven versatile 0:00:24.120 --> 0:00:28.040 hunting apparel from Marino bass layers to technical outerwear for 0:00:28.160 --> 0:00:36.160 every hunt, First Light, go farther, stay longer. All right, everybody, 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.680 we're here at Doug's farm as promised. If you're a 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.600 very astute listener and you listen real careful, you heard 0:00:43.640 --> 0:00:46.720 a long time ago when we had Yeah Yang on 0:00:47.120 --> 0:00:50.720 to talk about Mong culture. Did you get the shirt 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:55.440 made Mong dudes or trouble it's in progress? Okay, Yeah 0:00:55.520 --> 0:00:59.240 Yang was on top, and I, uh, I thought I 0:00:59.280 --> 0:01:03.240 was given Yeah the the gift of all gifts by 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.120 inviting him. I didn't tell Doug and Doug Doug didn't 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.880 know until he listened to the show that I invited 0:01:09.000 --> 0:01:15.880 Yah and his daughter Michaela to come for Youth Turkey 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:21.200 Season at Doug's place. Did you feel insulted when I 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.319 did that? Or not insulted? Out of the loop, No, 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:26.080 it was. It was actually pretty funny because I started 0:01:26.080 --> 0:01:28.680 getting text messages from friends who listened to the podcasts 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:32.119 podcasts sooner than I did saying, so, I guess you're 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:35.959 gonna have some extra turkey hunters next year. And what 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:37.600 am I talking about? What are you talking about? And 0:01:37.640 --> 0:01:40.280 then I get a text from you, going, hey, have 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:44.000 you listened to the podcast? Yeah? I don't know. Well 0:01:44.040 --> 0:01:45.720 I kind of invited a guy. I was like, oh, well, 0:01:45.800 --> 0:01:48.440 that's nice that you. I was actually flattered that you 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:51.960 felt comfortable enough to invite somebody, especially for that season. 0:01:52.680 --> 0:01:55.480 And uh, and it was fine. Now, but I wasn't 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.520 insulted by it at all. You're not annoyed, No, he 0:01:58.600 --> 0:02:02.040 said to me once. Um I was about of course, 0:02:02.040 --> 0:02:04.520 it was about my farming, and because we were doing something, 0:02:04.600 --> 0:02:06.480 we were filming or something, and I was like, oh, hey, 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:08.000 by the way, I got a couple of friends coming in. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:09.880 You hell, you invite whoever the hell you want. It's 0:02:09.880 --> 0:02:13.160 your damn farm, So what sort of that extension? And no, 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:14.679 I was. I was happy that you did it. It 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.880 was cool. And here we are Youth Turkey. Another Youth 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:26.120 Turkey season coming gone skunked skunked. Well. Last year, on 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:28.600 the first day of Youth Turkey Season, we called in 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.480 like without really trying that hard, six long beards, six 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:39.239 rope draggers, two youth hunters tagged out by two o'clock 0:02:39.240 --> 0:02:40.880 in the or three o'clock in the after nothing left 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:47.960 to do but burn ditch the spring and burn ditch 0:02:48.000 --> 0:02:50.400 and dry do my favorite activity, which is drive around 0:02:50.400 --> 0:02:53.519 with dog and have him tell uh stories of interactions 0:02:53.560 --> 0:02:59.600 with people. But how many hours did your daughter spending 0:02:59.639 --> 0:03:03.919 the Turkey blind here? I want to say it's about 0:03:04.080 --> 0:03:09.720 eighteen or nineteen hours in two days. In two days, Yeah, 0:03:09.840 --> 0:03:12.560 it was nine for sure the first day and it 0:03:12.639 --> 0:03:19.040 was about the exact same. The difference in well they 0:03:19.080 --> 0:03:23.200 were burning ditch and T shirts last year, it's snowed 0:03:23.280 --> 0:03:27.720 last night this year. Yeah, the birds are just not 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:35.960 fired up. But I have photographic evidence of there are 0:03:35.960 --> 0:03:39.560 being plenty of birds around and you being in the 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.560 same area where the birds were, but just not at 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:50.680 the same time. Yeah, so I'll I'll detail this out. Um, 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.880 We me and my older boy go out for the 0:03:54.960 --> 0:03:56.920 daybreak thing. We go out to a blind at a 0:03:56.960 --> 0:04:00.680 place called the Navel where or the other day we 0:04:00.720 --> 0:04:05.800 logged the first Like every I got a backup. If 0:04:05.840 --> 0:04:11.360 you imagine the Earth as a beach ball, dugs of 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:14.880 all the whole planet, the place where you would blow 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:20.120 air into that beach ball is located on Doug's farm. Huh. 0:04:22.279 --> 0:04:26.680 Or if the Earth was in its in its infancy, 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:32.200 being formed inside its mother's womb, this is on Doug's farm. 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:35.200 That's like the Earth is a baby on Doug's farmers 0:04:35.200 --> 0:04:40.559 where the Umbilicus attaches. That's why it's called the navel. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:45.880 I never thought about it like that. Everything everything passes 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:51.200 through the name everything passes through the navel. I'm sitting 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:53.000 there with my boy there day we're like sitting there 0:04:53.000 --> 0:04:57.640 looking at a field in hardwoods, and here comes running by. 0:04:57.880 --> 0:05:04.400 Running by is a river otter, like through Doug's field 0:05:04.440 --> 0:05:08.400 as a river otter. He was drawn by some mysterious 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:14.040 magnetism to run through the navel. Sitting there last night, 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:18.520 here comes two dogs. Those dogs nuts right through the 0:05:18.600 --> 0:05:21.720 navel there. They are a mystery to me. Where if 0:05:21.760 --> 0:05:24.279 you hit a deer with a bow and you track it, 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.160 it will pass through the navel. It's so you can 0:05:27.200 --> 0:05:29.120 save yourself a lot of time. Just go to the 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.920 navel and pick up the blood trail there. That's like 0:05:32.720 --> 0:05:38.480 everything passes through there. It's the it's the beginning of 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:44.040 the Earth. It's where when they breathe life into the earth. 0:05:44.040 --> 0:05:47.560 That's where they breathed it. Didn't you see a mink 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.480 in that same area? I saw at the navel trying 0:05:50.480 --> 0:05:52.120 to drag a squirrel out of a hole in the tree. 0:05:52.480 --> 0:05:54.080 I mean, that wasn't really the navel, but it was 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.120 within a hundred yards of the navel, So yeah, maybe 0:05:58.120 --> 0:06:00.240 that's I'm my little ways from the navel, but not 0:06:00.360 --> 0:06:03.159 far from the navel, just up the hill from it. 0:06:03.680 --> 0:06:06.120 So in the belly area, you want to hear some screaming, 0:06:07.040 --> 0:06:11.120 But what was weird. It was the mink screaming. You know, 0:06:11.160 --> 0:06:14.400 they got a very shrill. The mink was trying to 0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:17.040 fight his way into a squirrel hole, and there was 0:06:17.080 --> 0:06:19.400 a squirrel trying to defend its territory, and the mink 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:23.120 was freaking out. Yeah. Anyhow, so me and my older 0:06:23.120 --> 0:06:25.080 boy go out to the navel in the morning and 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:29.360 there's a bird roosted behind us. And my little boy 0:06:29.520 --> 0:06:31.880 was like adamant that we come get him at breakfast, 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.120 Come get him at breakfast. So we sit there till 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:37.200 seven thirty and I'm thinking he's gonna be up, and 0:06:37.279 --> 0:06:40.800 dog's gonna want to go out with my daughter and 0:06:40.800 --> 0:06:43.919 and I'm better go get Matthew. So we leave and 0:06:43.960 --> 0:06:47.520 Dog's got a camera at the navel. We leave, and 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.240 at nine, this long beard shows up at the navel 0:06:52.720 --> 0:06:56.960 on Dog's camera, so Doug gets the camera. He hits 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.440 the photographs every twelve hours. Every twelve hours. Yeah, So 0:07:00.480 --> 0:07:02.839 we go back out and we call before going to 0:07:02.839 --> 0:07:05.560 the navel. We called down into the navel and he returns. 0:07:05.640 --> 0:07:10.920 He gobbles and return million times. We work them nothing. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:14.320 Eventually shuts up moves off, so we sneak into the 0:07:14.440 --> 0:07:21.200 blind at the navel set up. Pretty soon, Matthew is 0:07:21.320 --> 0:07:26.600 very concerned about how he needs to go have lunch 0:07:26.720 --> 0:07:29.200 with Duck's daughter eleanor and one and you can tell 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:31.320 you just one. He thinks that there's people back here 0:07:31.360 --> 0:07:35.320 playing having opening like Easter presence. I don't know, but 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:37.840 he's just committed that he's got to get back. He's 0:07:37.880 --> 0:07:39.720 got to get back. So I'm like, oh my god. 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:46.720 So we leave and then at noon we leave, like 0:07:48.680 --> 0:07:53.440 at noon, that long beard standing as the navel. Me 0:07:53.480 --> 0:07:57.240 and Jimmy go back out, circle around and call an area, 0:07:57.360 --> 0:08:01.640 just hammering another thousand times from the navel, working as 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:03.600 close we can, can't budge him and he eventure his 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:11.320 drifts off. Wait. It really was maddening. And then over 0:08:11.400 --> 0:08:14.280 here behind the barn, up on that point up there 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:18.000 where you guys started out, uh or you went up 0:08:18.000 --> 0:08:20.320 there one other time and in the same thing you 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:24.000 left there, and later that day there were turkeys there. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:30.280 Our CEO, Dan Chumbler, met your ceo. He's going to 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.160 turkey hunt up friend of mine's place the spring. And 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.040 I said, I'm gonna tell you something that you won't do. 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:40.680 But if you did it, you will kill a turkey. 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:43.600 But no one does it, and everyone knows it's true, 0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:46.840 but no one can bring themselves to do it. I said, 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:48.880 I will show you two spots where if you lean 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:52.320 against a tree and stay there for the three days 0:08:52.320 --> 0:08:54.880 that you'll be hunting, you will kill a rope dragger. 0:08:55.720 --> 0:09:00.840 But you won't be able to do it because there'll 0:09:00.880 --> 0:09:07.280 be some birds you gotta go after and you'll leave 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:09.360 and then you won't be there when it comes. But 0:09:09.400 --> 0:09:12.480 there's a loan. There's you'll like this dog alone oak 0:09:13.559 --> 0:09:16.560 out in the middle of a field, and every day 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:19.080 multiple gobblers have to go by that oak. I don't 0:09:19.120 --> 0:09:22.120 know why. And there's another place which is like a 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:29.079 pass a passageway between two paradisees, and every day, multiple times, 0:09:29.080 --> 0:09:31.880 long beards walk through there. But no one could, No 0:09:31.880 --> 0:09:34.520 one will just sit there. I can't do it. Yeah, well, 0:09:34.559 --> 0:09:41.000 because I'm sitting there. And yesterday afternoon, uh, when Rosie 0:09:41.000 --> 0:09:43.440 and I went and Matthew went with us and she 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.600 goes and Doug. I don't want to just go sit 0:09:45.679 --> 0:09:48.240 in a blind. I want to walk and call. And 0:09:48.280 --> 0:09:51.360 it's like she's got the gene nine years old, eight 0:09:51.440 --> 0:09:58.160 years old, sitting for socks. She likes to running gun. Yeah, yeah, 0:09:58.400 --> 0:10:02.760 it's a eight years old right, alright? Seated next? We 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.480 didn't we didn't Probably Pat, Pat Durkin's here, thank you. 0:10:06.480 --> 0:10:09.800 You know what's always confused? Before we turn the machine on. 0:10:10.280 --> 0:10:14.480 You were saying something that caught my attention. Where Pat 0:10:14.640 --> 0:10:19.600 Dirk and Doug durn there's room for confusion there. But 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:21.960 you said you just found a book, a deer hunting 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:24.880 book written by someone named Doug Durkin. Yeah. Someone, some 0:10:24.960 --> 0:10:28.760 guy follows me Instagram sent me. Uh um, just a 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:30.880 little note saying are you are you really had that 0:10:31.000 --> 0:10:37.680 Douglas Durkin. Maybe dogs related to him. There's so many 0:10:37.720 --> 0:10:40.760 derivatives of Durkin, and there's Dirk again like the g 0:10:41.600 --> 0:10:44.640 Then there's we always thought me there's something that Durkin 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:48.280 and Duran but during German, right right, So it's not 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.200 your German. I'm German. I'm half German. Well, when I 0:10:52.240 --> 0:10:57.360 was saying all that bad stuff by you guys, I though, 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:01.560 so I Doug, I don't love you. Read much about 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:09.440 late thirties before? Why people left outline found that book. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.280 Some hasn't come yet. I'm looking forward to reading it. 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.240 Oh he's sending you the book. No, I looked it 0:11:14.320 --> 0:11:18.440 up on Amazon phone. Yeah, Doug Durkin. It's like if 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:22.560 you and Doug had a baby and that baby growth 0:11:22.640 --> 0:11:26.160 to write a book about hunting, maybe maybe we should 0:11:26.320 --> 0:11:30.160 update it and you and I can and yeah it 0:11:30.200 --> 0:11:32.400 should be with a forward by Doug DRN and Pat 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:37.120 dirt Sex. Seated next to Pat Durkin is my son. 0:11:37.240 --> 0:11:39.800 James is just gonna join us for a minute here now, Jimmy, 0:11:39.800 --> 0:11:44.679 I'm gonna listen. I told you no smart ass comments. 0:11:45.040 --> 0:11:47.559 You gotta shine because here's the thing that you need 0:11:47.600 --> 0:11:49.800 to be. I've told you this before. Remember how I 0:11:49.800 --> 0:11:52.040 don't like you, like we don't want you on social 0:11:52.080 --> 0:11:54.959 media because you might screw up and it comes back 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.000 to haunt you later. Right, You've told me that many times. 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:04.360 So keeping in mind that you're now possibly you're making 0:12:04.400 --> 0:12:11.840 your first this is your this is true. This is 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:14.680 the first trackable thing you will ever do in your life. 0:12:14.960 --> 0:12:18.080 Do you understand what I'm saying? Meaning something you say 0:12:18.120 --> 0:12:24.360 now will forever be someone will always be able to 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:26.680 locate this. And this is the first thing you've ever 0:12:26.760 --> 0:12:30.520 done like that except when we were ice fishing. I 0:12:30.640 --> 0:12:34.800 was on that. Oh sorry, did I tell you all 0:12:34.840 --> 0:12:39.840 this before that? No? Okay, I'm gonna ask you some questions. 0:12:39.880 --> 0:12:42.640 I want you to give me very specific answers with 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:47.360 no smart assery. Okay, tell people how you have war 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:50.720 paint on your face and how you made that war paint. Um. So, 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:55.440 we have a like a Mr. Heater, little buddy like 0:12:56.760 --> 0:13:00.520 heater that we had in our um turkey blind and 0:13:01.200 --> 0:13:05.000 I got really bored when the action slowed down for 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:08.599 a little bit um and just took a stick and 0:13:08.640 --> 0:13:11.920 stead of whittling the tip um and stuck it in 0:13:11.960 --> 0:13:15.920 that heat or flame until it was like had embers 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.599 on it. And then I scraped that off in and 0:13:19.760 --> 0:13:31.640 my dad war paint. You reinvented the pencil excep charcoal. Uh. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.959 What was I gonna ask you next? Oh, explain the 0:13:35.000 --> 0:13:38.160 set of circumstances that happened the first time we started dogs, 0:13:38.200 --> 0:13:45.600 little buddy heater up Um. There was a mouse in 0:13:45.920 --> 0:13:49.320 a mouse, A mother mouse had made a nest inside 0:13:49.320 --> 0:13:53.080 of it, and I remember asking you is it supposed 0:13:53.120 --> 0:13:58.079 to be smoking? Well, first the mouse, what happened with 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.680 the mouse? Ran come booking out of there? And I 0:14:01.720 --> 0:14:04.840 tried to light it, and then it starts smoking like 0:14:05.080 --> 0:14:09.800 holy hell. Then we cleaned it out and had it here. 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.760 Here's my next question. You're doing good so far. Do 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:16.679 you prefer hunting turkeys from a blind or doing what 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.960 we call running and gunning? Like running and gunning? Why 0:14:20.000 --> 0:14:22.520 do you think that is? Um? Because I feel like 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:24.360 there's more action. I feel like if you call one 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.160 of the blind, it's just a lot of sitting, and 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.800 then when you're running and gunning, you're up in the 0:14:28.840 --> 0:14:32.000 woods listening and moving around, and it seems just a 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:35.360 little more active and more enjoyable. Here's my next question 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:40.360 for you. You feel that you're somehow undergunned having a 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.680 pump action shotgun, and you feel that you need to 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.680 have an auto loader. Can you explain that to people? Um? So, 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:52.800 it's it's not so much with turkeys, but when I 0:14:52.920 --> 0:14:57.880 duck hunt, it seems to be that like Harrison, our 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:04.160 neighbor who has a semi automatic shotgun, he can, um 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:07.880 like just shoot get many more shots off. It's more 0:15:07.920 --> 0:15:11.080 or less it seems to be. Seems to I don't know. 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.800 It just kind of outperformed me with a pump because 0:15:14.160 --> 0:15:16.920 if I have a bad adrenaline rush, I forget to reload. 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:21.400 So then I'm thinking from watching you thinking that it's 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.360 just another show littled in and then I can just 0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:28.280 shoot again. Okay, if you had this your last question, 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:30.280 less you got anything you want to add or dugger Pat? 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.360 Or yeah, I might have a question for you. If 0:15:32.400 --> 0:15:36.960 you had to rate your father's ability to hear gobbles 0:15:37.040 --> 0:15:40.640 relative to your ability to hear gobbles? What would you 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:50.359 say out of what? No? Relative to yours? Oh? Um, 0:15:50.600 --> 0:15:57.040 decent for your age? Yeah, because Pat, he's got hearing. 0:15:57.040 --> 0:15:59.440 It's can you set those like gobble mode for listening 0:15:59.480 --> 0:16:02.360 to try and it doesn't make every a difference? Really? Yeah, 0:16:02.520 --> 0:16:05.480 I can I can hear better, I can hear him better, 0:16:06.040 --> 0:16:09.080 but still compared to like, yeah, yesterday and day before, 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.400 he's picking out distant gobblers. I never heard my favorite 0:16:13.400 --> 0:16:15.080 one of my favorite hunting stories, And Jimmy, you can 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:17.120 help me tell the story. We're sitting at the navel 0:16:17.200 --> 0:16:23.800 last year, late morning and what happened. Um So my 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:27.400 dad did like the first we sat down, and I, 0:16:27.440 --> 0:16:29.320 like always do is beg my dad to call just 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:32.000 to see if we'll get a response from anything. And 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:33.720 I say, what what do I as you say, why, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:40.040 I'm not doing it yet? Um letting things quiet down? Yeah, 0:16:40.200 --> 0:16:42.200 where we walked in there and might have spooked some 0:16:42.280 --> 0:16:44.480 things out of the area. He's letting things mellow. Yeah. 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:46.800 And I'm like, Dad, call, call and he's like, okay, 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:48.880 fine and does one. I'm like, there's a gobble and 0:16:48.920 --> 0:16:51.440 he's like, no, there's not. I'm like, there is a 0:16:51.440 --> 0:16:56.000 gobble and he calls again and it the turkey gobbles again, 0:16:56.160 --> 0:17:00.160 and then there's it's followed by two more and I 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:03.000 keep saying like, there's a turkey there. I can hear 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.400 it gobbling, and my dad like just keeps telling me no, no. 0:17:06.600 --> 0:17:11.480 At this point, it's getting closer, talking about there's no turkey. 0:17:11.560 --> 0:17:15.720 He said, there's like no turkey, um and he calls 0:17:15.760 --> 0:17:18.000 again and he's like, is that a gobble. I'm like, yes, 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.320 that's what I've been telling you for like five minutes. 0:17:20.520 --> 0:17:25.119 And next thing we know, there's three turkeys, three big turkeys, 0:17:25.440 --> 0:17:28.640 running in and they all fan out. And I think 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:31.760 the coolest thing I saw with those turkeys is when 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:35.080 the front one put its fan out and the other 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:37.880 two put their fans out, and the turkey turn around 0:17:37.920 --> 0:17:39.640 and looked at him, and they put their fans back 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:44.520 in and just walked behind them. And he had a shot, 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.800 and he wouldn't shooting because he's waiting for them. He's 0:17:46.840 --> 0:17:49.280 waiting for the boss Tom. Yeah, and then he got 0:17:49.280 --> 0:17:52.560 the boss Tom. Well, you got a question for him. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:55.200 You can take a couple more questions. I'm done with you. 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:59.560 How good is your dad compared to you? I'm picking 0:17:59.600 --> 0:18:04.720 the direct coming from better. He's better, I'm better. You're better. 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:07.000 Once I hear it, I know where it is. Yeah, 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:10.080 it's when he hears it. But when it's far off, 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:12.720 I seem to be better. That might also be because 0:18:13.119 --> 0:18:14.840 when it's super far off, I seem to be the 0:18:14.840 --> 0:18:17.080 only one who can hear it, so it's hard to 0:18:17.160 --> 0:18:20.840 argue with them, right, Jimmy, you told us after dinner 0:18:20.920 --> 0:18:23.160 last night that if you you could hunt one species 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:25.320 the rest of your life, it would be turkey. Why 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:29.320 is that um? Because I feel like with turkeys, it's 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:32.760 kind of like they're just kind of wild in an 0:18:32.840 --> 0:18:37.200 unimaginable way where it's like they're never you never see 0:18:37.200 --> 0:18:41.760 a turkey just laying down in the brush, Like you 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:47.879 never see one hidden or trying to get like out 0:18:47.920 --> 0:18:50.320 of being a turkey. Like they're just always on the move. 0:18:50.400 --> 0:18:55.520 They're always feeding, They're always like at night when there's 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:58.640 I just learned this yesterday, they incubate their eggs all 0:18:58.760 --> 0:19:01.359 night and that's how a lot of turkeys, a lot 0:19:01.400 --> 0:19:05.359 of female turkeys die And it's like because they gotta 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:07.000 lay on the they got, they can't go in their 0:19:07.080 --> 0:19:12.040 roost tree. So it's like it just kind of goes 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:18.719 to show how like there just they're so strong in 0:19:18.760 --> 0:19:21.040 a way where it's like they know what they have 0:19:21.080 --> 0:19:24.600 a very good mindset on like what needs to happen 0:19:24.880 --> 0:19:27.720 and when it needs to happen, and what's the right 0:19:27.760 --> 0:19:30.320 time for breeding, and if they're supposed to come into 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:33.400 a call like when you're hunting turkeys, it's not like 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.480 you go out there and just see one. It's kind 0:19:36.480 --> 0:19:40.960 of like you have to almost trick the turkey and 0:19:41.000 --> 0:19:45.840 manipulate them into coming into your call. It's right, it's good. 0:19:47.440 --> 0:19:48.919 Like you haven't said anything that's going to keep you 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.439 out of getting into college or anything. All right, well, 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:52.960 let me ask you a question and see if we 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:56.639 can get that to that point. So you said that 0:19:56.680 --> 0:19:59.560 you preferred running and gunning to sitting in a blind. 0:20:00.600 --> 0:20:05.399 Which have you had more success with? Um? Equal the equal, 0:20:05.520 --> 0:20:08.600 But I'd say the one that I definitely had more 0:20:08.680 --> 0:20:13.760 fun with was running and gunning because that was like 0:20:14.480 --> 0:20:16.480 we saw two snapping turtles breeding, and then it was 0:20:16.520 --> 0:20:19.200 like we just got to see a lot more than Yeah, 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.919 we're walking along, we're actually working in on a turkey 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.399 and I see a turtle. It's a big snapper, And 0:20:24.440 --> 0:20:25.840 I tell Jimmy, here, I'll show you how to sneak 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.879 up and grab a turtle. And when I jacked that 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.400 turkle turtle out of there, what what was he doing? Oh? 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:34.360 There was a male and a female. They were breeding, 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:39.000 locked and embraced. Yeah, Chloeake and the Chloeacle Kiss they 0:20:39.040 --> 0:20:43.239 call that put their chloeacas together awesome, like that, can 0:20:43.280 --> 0:20:45.880 we keep it? And he's like, we don't have something 0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:50.240 to kill it with? And because you're you suggested that 0:20:50.280 --> 0:20:53.080 we what shoot it with my shotgun? And I said, 0:20:53.119 --> 0:20:54.879 what will that do to the turkey situation? And we 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.520 got going on right now? Really mess it up? So 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:01.679 what did that happen? Wait a minute, that was running 0:21:01.680 --> 0:21:03.720 in gun. That was running in gun, and so things 0:21:03.760 --> 0:21:05.439 are more apt to happen. But yeah, you know you 0:21:05.480 --> 0:21:07.720 saw a river rotter when you were sitting in a blind, 0:21:07.800 --> 0:21:12.840 not not we weren't holding by the tail well fair enough? 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:15.760 So how many? Uh so? Then how many turkeys have 0:21:15.840 --> 0:21:22.560 you have you harvested? To we're in Texas. Last year 0:21:22.600 --> 0:21:24.639 was his first year turkey hunt and he got to 0:21:24.880 --> 0:21:27.240 last year and he got one here, one here, and 0:21:27.280 --> 0:21:30.160 one at home. And then this year he's this year, 0:21:30.160 --> 0:21:33.000 he's having a horrible year. I'm having a really bad year. 0:21:33.040 --> 0:21:35.840 When we were in Texas, we like I just couldn't 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.199 get up on turkeys. And pretty soon there's like, I 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:42.160 look ut the my dad points out to I told 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:45.720 your sisters up to bat. Sister gets first shot. It's 0:21:45.720 --> 0:21:51.720 not fair, um, completely fair and she got one yeah, um, 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:55.560 which happened to be a bigger tan m hm um. 0:21:55.600 --> 0:21:58.919 So two turkeys so far and you got one in 0:21:58.960 --> 0:22:04.199 a blind and one running and gunna um. But we 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.240 were in Texas. My dad pointed out two gobblers and 0:22:07.240 --> 0:22:11.359 I you want to talk about running and gunning, listen 0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:15.760 to this hunting story. This is the craziest hunting story him, 0:22:15.840 --> 0:22:18.879 Jimmy said, here, can you just keep asking what happens 0:22:18.880 --> 0:22:22.119 when you try to tear off against your dad yelling 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.800 at you not to do it? Um? So let me, 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:27.280 let me, let me just set scene real quick, just 0:22:27.320 --> 0:22:31.479 because we're driving along going out to hunt, and come 0:22:31.520 --> 0:22:35.360 around the corner and here's a gobbler standing there. So 0:22:36.160 --> 0:22:38.880 this vehicle and has no doors, right, it's open top, 0:22:38.960 --> 0:22:43.640 no doors. It's just like a chopped off subourbon. He's outdoor. 0:22:43.680 --> 0:22:46.560 I'm like no, but he grabs his gun and hustles 0:22:46.600 --> 0:22:48.439 off into the bushes. And what did you turn up 0:22:48.440 --> 0:22:54.240 in the bushes? So I took anyone with my shotgun 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:56.359 and had a great shaw of the turkey's head and 0:22:56.359 --> 0:22:59.080 pull a trigger. My safety was on. Then I turned 0:22:59.080 --> 0:23:01.640 my safety off and bust the move through the bush's 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.880 fall and my safety gets turned back on. So now 0:23:06.359 --> 0:23:08.879 this this is what they teach you and Hunter's safety. 0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:14.919 I'm hustling after this turkey and I'm like sweating, and 0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:18.080 I get up here and this turkey is stuck in 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:23.080 a bush like it cannot move completely friar patch and 0:23:23.119 --> 0:23:28.200 got hung up. So I take aim of this turkey 0:23:28.359 --> 0:23:32.159 and my safety is on once again. This turkey turns, 0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:36.119 runs back towards me and starts flying and is gone. 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:43.000 And this happened twice. This happened twice when my safety 0:23:43.280 --> 0:23:47.960 no like a different, a whole different incident. Screaming, My 0:23:48.040 --> 0:23:51.639 lungs off to kick his ass bag to the car. 0:23:52.200 --> 0:23:55.160 But while he's screaming. One of the times I didn't 0:23:55.160 --> 0:23:58.960 shoot because my dad was screaming at me where I 0:23:59.000 --> 0:24:02.840 thought he'd be mad. I was where as you could 0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:04.639 have come walking on it. They're going, what are you 0:24:04.720 --> 0:24:09.160 yelling about? Holding the turkey up? Oh you're good, thanks, 0:24:09.160 --> 0:24:20.840 sure me here all right. Doug and I were talking earlier. 0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.720 See that we like the way. We like the way 0:24:23.760 --> 0:24:29.919 you talk to your kids like I'm annoyed you you're direct, 0:24:32.720 --> 0:24:35.439 Oh speaking of I read you a little bit of 0:24:35.440 --> 0:24:39.400 this Doug James like, I hate video games. I don't 0:24:39.400 --> 0:24:44.200 like them none, but James like has been lobbying aggressive. 0:24:44.280 --> 0:24:47.520 I love this to get an Xbox. His mom kind 0:24:47.560 --> 0:24:50.520 of like, I don't really understand. I had to check 0:24:50.560 --> 0:24:52.480 with someone who knows about this stuff. His mom thinks 0:24:52.480 --> 0:24:54.919 it's all right because you don't like you're not meeting 0:24:54.960 --> 0:24:58.480 strangers online. It's true or not true. I don't know. 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:02.680 I don't know. It's it's possible. I think you can. 0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.359 You can play with people all across the world. Depend 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:08.879 there like there must be something. Unless she doesn't know 0:25:08.880 --> 0:25:11.560 what she's talking about. She feels like that it's all right. 0:25:11.680 --> 0:25:16.920 I don't know either way. Our lawyer who represents our company, 0:25:17.320 --> 0:25:19.720