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Speaker 1: we're here at Doug's farm as promised. If you're a

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Speaker 1: very astute listener and you listen real careful, you heard

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Speaker 1: a long time ago when we had Yeah Yang on

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Speaker 1: was given Yeah the the gift of all gifts by

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Speaker 1: Yah and his daughter Michaela to come for Youth Turkey

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Speaker 1: Season at Doug's place. Did you feel insulted when I

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Speaker 1: it was. It was actually pretty funny because I started

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Speaker 1: getting text messages from friends who listened to the podcasts

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Speaker 1: podcasts sooner than I did saying, so, I guess you're

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Speaker 1: gonna have some extra turkey hunters next year. And what

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Speaker 1: then I get a text from you, going, hey, have

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Speaker 1: you listened to the podcast? Yeah? I don't know. Well

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Speaker 1: I kind of invited a guy. I was like, oh, well,

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Speaker 1: And uh, and it was fine. Now, but I wasn't

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Speaker 1: insulted by it at all. You're not annoyed, No, he

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Speaker 1: was cool. And here we are Youth Turkey. Another Youth

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Speaker 1: like without really trying that hard, six long beards, six

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Speaker 1: rope draggers, two youth hunters tagged out by two o'clock

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Speaker 1: in the or three o'clock in the after nothing left

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Speaker 1: with dog and have him tell uh stories of interactions

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Speaker 1: with people. But how many hours did your daughter spending

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Speaker 1: last night this year. Yeah, the birds are just not

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Speaker 1: same area where the birds were, but just not at

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Speaker 1: place called the Navel where or the other day we

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Speaker 1: Or if the Earth was in its in its infancy,

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Speaker 1: where the Umbilicus attaches. That's why it's called the navel.

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Speaker 1: at nine, this long beard shows up at the navel

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Speaker 1: know why. And there's another place which is like a

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Speaker 1: pass a passageway between two paradisees, and every day, multiple times,

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Speaker 1: long beards walk through there. But no one could, No

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Speaker 1: book written by someone named Doug Durkin. Yeah. Someone, some

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna listen. I told you no smart ass comments.

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Speaker 1: So keeping in mind that you're now possibly you're making

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Speaker 1: Your kid's going to be a lawyer studying documents. One

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Speaker 1: more deal point. There should be no complaining, squabbling, nagging, crying, fighting, hitting, punching,

425
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Speaker 1: or wrestling with any siblings or any other youth that

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Speaker 1: is related to the use of the Xbox. Violation of

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Speaker 1: this requirement may result in additional adverse consequences to James

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Speaker 1: Ronnella beyond the inability to use the Xbox. No, I'm

429
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Speaker 1: gonna frame this son a bit and hang it above

430
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Speaker 1: that thing. He won't even he's not even gonna turn.

431
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Speaker 1: It's just like, you know what, too much trouble. That's great.

432
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Speaker 1: Huh oh seeing that, Seeing that kid reminds me if

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Speaker 1: A Call in the Field, which is out we're talking

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Speaker 1: about Ryan O. Call Callahan, one of those episodes of

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Speaker 1: film right here with old Bubbly Doug on the during

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Speaker 1: family farm that details of white tail hunt here and

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Speaker 1: and hunts rice ducks and other episodes, So go check

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Speaker 1: the Hunt is out now. One episode was film doing

452
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Speaker 1: what we're just doing, hunting turkeys on the during farm.

453
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Speaker 1: Yanni also goes for black bears with Clay, hunts elk

454
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Speaker 1: with Jason Phelips, and Dirt Durham does his first ever

455
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Speaker 1: self filmed episode pursuing White Tales in Michigan, and he

456
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461
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Speaker 1: this out. I didn't think this is possible in Pennsylvania.

462
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: The Pennsylvania Game Commission just found dog did. Did the

463
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: transition throw you? It's about turkeys? Okay? He speaking of

464
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: turkeys a twelve and a half year old wild hen man.

465
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Speaker 1: That seems ancient. Because here's the thing, man like, this

466
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,480
Speaker 1: isn't always true, but I've checked us with two turkey biologists.

467
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: I heard this, I verified with two Turkey biolog just

468
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: and it's like, here's the thing you can safely say,

469
00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 1: and we've said it many times on the show. Of

470
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: the eggs that hit the ground. Now there's just running averages, okay, average,

471
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 1: there's all kinds of exceptions, but average on average. So, uh,

472
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: they'll lay about a dozen eggs. Of the eggs to

473
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Speaker 1: hit the ground, seventy percent won't hatch. Mhm. Of the

474
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Speaker 1: eggs that hatch, seventy percent won't see their first birthday.

475
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Speaker 1: Of those that see their first birthday, seventy percent won't

476
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Speaker 1: see their second birthday. Just very round numbers. Yeah, they

477
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: get a twelve and a half year old hen previously

478
00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: captured and tagged as an adult in two thousand twelve

479
00:30:45,640 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: clear Field County. Yeah, that's crazy. So they've been tracking

480
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: her for a decade. They just threw a GPS track

481
00:30:53,440 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 1: around her now, unbelievable, Like she must just always make

482
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: the right decision right, go right or go left left,

483
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:12,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying? Yeah, or would be interesting, No,

484
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: but more about her life history? Is she I would like,

485
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: is she somehow infertile? Mhm? Huh it is never never

486
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: ground nested I like, I don't know, Like has she

487
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 1: really success like she has survived incubating nests eleven times?

488
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:37,720
Speaker 1: Question spending the night on the ground as Clay Nucom's

489
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: relative set never fall in love with the ground nesting bird?

490
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, unbelievable. Another oddball thing, totally different. Have

491
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: you guys seen this? They're trying This is in Michigan.

492
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:56,479
Speaker 1: They're trying to find out what is up with this deer.

493
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: There's some photographs that emerged where a white tailed dough

494
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Speaker 1: was missing both of her rear hooves. Explain what that

495
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: looks like, because it's just leg like white, dry, white

496
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: leg bones emerging out of her from below her knee.

497
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Speaker 1: So she's walking on the just a white, a clean

498
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 1: pier like leg bones, six inches of leg bone, no hooves,

499
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 1: and she's both of them like done in a hospital,

500
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: like both of them exactly the same. And she lived

501
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: like that and walked around on those bones. You know,

502
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a corn dog. It's like corn

503
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: dog legs right there, just the wood part of the

504
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,920
Speaker 1: sticks are just sticking out, no hoove, no nothing, just

505
00:32:56,400 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: walking on that. I was like it. It's so there's

506
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 1: pictures of her alive and pictures of her dead showed

507
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,080
Speaker 1: up in a bulletin board called Michigan Outdoorsman in two

508
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 1: thousand thirteen. It was at that time had been taken

509
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 1: several years earlier. No location or other details. Who did

510
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: this come from? Heffl Finger. Hefle fingers trying to find out.

511
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: They don't know the age of the deer or how

512
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 1: long it it was out. And about that way, Heffelfinger

513
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: reached out the Chad Stewart at the Michigan Department of

514
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:36,080
Speaker 1: Natural Resources and he asked their recently retired pathologist who

515
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: had been in that job over forty years. I never

516
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: saw her her to that animal, that particular, never saw

517
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,719
Speaker 1: her to what is up with that deer? He didn't know,

518
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:49,280
Speaker 1: went and searched the archives from two thousand twelve to

519
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: two thousand fifteen, so around the time these pictures emerged,

520
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: no evidence of that deer coming through the lab of

521
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Speaker 1: someone being like, how did this deer live walking around?

522
00:34:00,400 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: It would be like if you had imagine that someone

523
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: caught your foot off at the ankle, stripped the muscle

524
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: and flesh up halfway up your calf, and then got

525
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: a trail camp picture of you, and they actually have

526
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,880
Speaker 1: pictures of this thing walking around. If Doug went to

527
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:21,200
Speaker 1: two his camera set out at the navel, I bet

528
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:27,360
Speaker 1: that deer comes through there. Dogs like, oh here, I

529
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:34,640
Speaker 1: got a picture it lost its feet at the navel. Yeah,

530
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: hev the figures dying to know about this deer. So

531
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: if you know about the deer and holy cow with

532
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 1: a bizarre picture, I'm skeptical that it could have lasted

533
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: long that way. But it's two. And look at that

534
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,920
Speaker 1: picture of it, the trail camp picture of it. Yeah, God,

535
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: what do you mean something? There's something. There's something I'm

536
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: not getting. It's a doctored image. Something I don't know.

537
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: I have no idea. It doesn't look like one. No, no,

538
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 1: it doesn't. I saw it. Okay. And here's the thing

539
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,919
Speaker 1: about it is like helfl Finger. I mean, we got

540
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 1: a song about helfle Finger. He's not dummy. Oh no,

541
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing coming from Jim. But I'm wondering

542
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:17,879
Speaker 1: if Jim's looking into it, like, yeah, trying to down

543
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: You would always say skepticism is the chastity of the intellect.

544
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: I wrote that down Kran found a great Uh. We

545
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: always we always like to cover in Wildlife news misleading

546
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: wildlife news headlines. This is the best one. So there's

547
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:49,800
Speaker 1: a famous bull elk that lives in Rocky Mountain National Park. Okay,

548
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,920
Speaker 1: somehow this bull elk has three nicknames. He's nicknamed Cahuna,

549
00:35:57,160 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: which is mildly not he see, uh that being Hawaiian

550
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:10,560
Speaker 1: for chief. He's nicknamed Bruno, and he's nicknamed this is

551
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: by the hunters who have seen him big thirds. So yeah,

552
00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:18,320
Speaker 1: most part people are like, I don't understand big thirds.

553
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:26,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna name him Kahuna. I'm guessing he had big thirds. Uh.

554
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: He lives and dies in Rocky Mountain National Park. There's

555
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: some photographers that have tracked him over the years. He

556
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:37,200
Speaker 1: goes smith. They said he seemed to have gotten injured

557
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 1: during the rut, came out of the winner looking wasted,

558
00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: very thin, weak. They find his body and it's covered

559
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: in mountain lion tracks and scavenged. He had already shed

560
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:57,879
Speaker 1: one antler, so he's only got one antler left. Apparently

561
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: someone hauled off then hauled off the skull and some

562
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: park goer I just couldn't resist the temptation. How is

563
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: this reported? Newsweeks take a guess. At the headline, Doug,

564
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,160
Speaker 1: I can't even begin to well here it is from

565
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:31,640
Speaker 1: the Tech and Science desk. No less, famous elk beheaded

566
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: in Rocky Mountains. Oh my god, the remains will return

567
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: to the earth. Famous elk beheaded in rocky Mountains just

568
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: doesn't end the garbage. But what these people do, though,

569
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: that I don't get, is the letdowns day inspire the letdowns,

570
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,839
Speaker 1: the disappointments. Because I would see that headline, I'm like,

571
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: holy ship, that's what happened to me. That's what happened

572
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: to me. Yeah, And then you're like, oh, that's what happened.

573
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:20,279
Speaker 1: Well you, I think years ago, I remember you saying

574
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:23,400
Speaker 1: one time, and I really made me kind of rethink

575
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: how I look at non hunters. I tend to give

576
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,360
Speaker 1: them the benefit of doubt. You made a great point

577
00:38:28,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: one time. How why would this matter to them? They

578
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,359
Speaker 1: don't hunt, They have no connection to hunter, So how

579
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,399
Speaker 1: can you expect them to know all these nuances that

580
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: we will argue about, and we'll fight about. They don't

581
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:44,399
Speaker 1: know the main topic, and we're arguing the nuances, and

582
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: but then this comes along. You think, all right, though,

583
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: come on, you're going away beyond even objective fact here

584
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 1: with that kind of headline, that kind of storytelling. Yeah,

585
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: not a hell. What to say about it? We'll keep

586
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:05,040
Speaker 1: talking about it. Another interesting that I've been seeing a

587
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: lot lately is someone, a photographer who found it before

588
00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: its head, before it was beheaded, said that he felt

589
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: humbled touching it's antler. I don't understand that. I have

590
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: no idea either. Ye would you mind pulling up real

591
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: quick what it means to be humbled? Well, I mean

592
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: I would assume that it's you know, whether it was

593
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,560
Speaker 1: that the antler is from from such a large animal

594
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: at the antlers are are large, or it takes a

595
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 1: lot of energy himself. I don't know. Maybe this guy

596
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 1: has just got some psychological I'm not down. I'm just

597
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: I'm just curious what, like what it actually happens when

598
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: you get I mean, I know, but I don't know.

599
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: I just want to hear, like from the straight from

600
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,480
Speaker 1: the the dictionary, when you're humbled, you're like putting your

601
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:03,960
Speaker 1: place um or at least made the meet made to

602
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: feel like hmm, brought down the earth little bit. Yeah,

603
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: lower someone in dignity or importance. There's a dictionary definition.

604
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 1: So he touched the antler and felt his dignity lower

605
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,479
Speaker 1: and his self importance lowered. That's a horn hunter right there.

606
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: That's an antler. I think if I was trying to

607
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 1: solve this mystery, I would check that gentleman's garage. A

608
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 1: person of interest in court, the judge, the lawyer, Like,

609
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 1: is it true that you felt humbled by that antler?

610
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 1: Are you sure you were? Odd? Oh, here's a good

611
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: story for you, Dog, you'll appreciate this. I wish, like

612
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: I wish this was always concerns me. When you say

613
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 1: that that, I'm gonna be well, I stole that, Joe.

614
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,359
Speaker 1: I'm not using it right. But that's Brian can and joke.

615
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Let's say Callen's gonna tell you like the

616
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: most Like, Let's say Callen's gonna tell you a story

617
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: about like the worst sex offender. He'll say, He'll be like, dog,

618
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: you'll appreciate this. Tell about something. You'll appreciate this, Doug.

619
00:41:25,920 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: So there's a guy. So Karne Likens is too. When

620
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,959
Speaker 1: you but ar keeps playing with an online you liken

621
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,839
Speaker 1: it to an online love scam. But I haven't. I

622
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 1: haven't had a love scam, have you? I have not?

623
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: But you haven't shown up for a date that turned

624
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: out to be no. But it's like you'll hear about

625
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: these instances of people who meet others online, so you

626
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: don't know if they're a real person or not. But

627
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: there have been, you know, for years, these scams where

628
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: you know someone who I don't even want to call

629
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,640
Speaker 1: them desperate. It doesn't have to be desperate. You're interacting

630
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:09,839
Speaker 1: with someone over email who you imagine to be the

631
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:14,440
Speaker 1: person who they say they are in these emails. Maybe

632
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:16,959
Speaker 1: you think you've seen proof that they exist because they've

633
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:22,400
Speaker 1: sent you photos, which doesn't necessarily mean anything, and there's

634
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:26,399
Speaker 1: a there's a whole sob story, and they entice you

635
00:42:26,520 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: into sending money somewhere over Western Union, over whatever it is.

636
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 1: So when I read this, uh, that's exactly what I

637
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:38,120
Speaker 1: what I thought about. Someone took that the you know,

638
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: most famously, it's like a guy in Nigeria has all

639
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: of the King's money and if you could just send

640
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:49,800
Speaker 1: him three hundred bucks, he'd be able to bring all

641
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:54,799
Speaker 1: the king's money to you. Right, this is a guy

642
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,600
Speaker 1: who took this. This is like I always love this

643
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: because it's so specific. Somehow this guy starts island hunting

644
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: leases in Ohio that don't exist, huh for big money,

645
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: for money, he's selling five thousand dollar leases. He sells

646
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:12,680
Speaker 1: the lease to guy, and the guy goes over there

647
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: to start scouting, and the landowner comes down being like,

648
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:18,319
Speaker 1: what's going on? Because haven't you heard we just lease

649
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: this place? Guy's like you what? I am interested? So

650
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 1: then they get Yeah, they catch the guy. They get

651
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: him showing up to collect his money. Like the fishing

652
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 1: game gets involved and he's got like wire fraud and

653
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,319
Speaker 1: all that. Did US Fishing Wildlife Service get involved in this?

654
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 1: I suppose we went across the lines, didn't you. I

655
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 1: think US Fishing Wildlife Service even got involved. OHIL Department

656
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,319
Speaker 1: and Natural Resources Division of Wildlife was involved, involved in

657
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 1: search warrants and social media. They did it in connection

658
00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: with US Fish and Wildlife Service because it was wire

659
00:43:57,560 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: fraud outside the state. Yeah, and US Fish and Wildlife Service. Uh,

660
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:05,719
Speaker 1: it's kind of credit to them. They took a real

661
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: serious uh huh. So protecting sustainable hunting of America's wildlife

662
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,479
Speaker 1: resources is bedrock to our mission in the US Fish

663
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:23,359
Speaker 1: and Wildlife Service, said Assistant Director Edward Grace from their

664
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 1: Office of Law Enforcement, investigating those who pray on individuals

665
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 1: attempting to hunt lawfully by defrauding them is our trusted

666
00:44:32,200 --> 00:44:37,080
Speaker 1: responsibility to the American people. Here's where it gets, uh here,

667
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: here's where. Here's where. So he's guilty. The guy played guilty.

668
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:45,240
Speaker 1: His name's Knox, played guilty to wire fraud. He's scheduled

669
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: to be sentenced maximum penalty, which ye get like you

670
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,480
Speaker 1: know what he'll get like a day, the maximum penalty

671
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: twenty years key manage of the judge actually did that years?

672
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: Not shipping either, did they did they talk about how

673
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: much money he defrauded people of Uh? Yeah, at least

674
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,759
Speaker 1: fifty nine of the individuals he was he interacted with

675
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 1: sent initial payments to this defendant totally over thirty four

676
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 1: thousand dollars. You know. And the other question that comes

677
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,520
Speaker 1: to mind, I mean, the criminal mind generally is not

678
00:45:28,640 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: a real sharp one. How can you see that? Okay?

679
00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 1: In this case? How did this guy not think he

680
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: was gonna How did he think he was going to

681
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,320
Speaker 1: get away with this eventually? I guess he went on

682
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:41,359
Speaker 1: for a while, But how did you think you were

683
00:45:41,400 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: not going to like his business? Like criminal business plan? Yeah?

684
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:51,160
Speaker 1: And here's how I'm confused when the people show up

685
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 1: to police. I mean, I guess if you're sending money

686
00:45:56,480 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 1: then yeah, it just seems like a it's gonna catch

687
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 1: up with you eventually. Oh, check this out. They found

688
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,240
Speaker 1: this sweet knife in what country was it now? In Norway,

689
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,359
Speaker 1: way up hind the alpine area in the mountains. They

690
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,359
Speaker 1: found an old caribou like a caribou hunter's knife around

691
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,720
Speaker 1: with all kinds of other well, reindeer there because it's Europe,

692
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:25,839
Speaker 1: with other like reindeer hunting equipment, like they'd build these

693
00:46:25,840 --> 00:46:30,480
Speaker 1: sort of like drive lines. And he had a birch

694
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:34,160
Speaker 1: burrel handle. It was metal like they had metal technology,

695
00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 1: metal knife, big long tang inside runs the whole length

696
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: built around a birch burrel handle laying on the rock

697
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 1: like some something bitch left there last week. Beautiful, I

698
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,680
Speaker 1: mean rusted, but like beautiful, I mean not even that

699
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: much rust, just like a little bit. It could have been,

700
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 1: you know, your old knife, they say, in that area

701
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: because just because of how like it's like dry high

702
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: country stuff. Just they got all kinds of arrows and

703
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,600
Speaker 1: around that long you look at be like, oh, look

704
00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: an arrow melting out of the ice and stuff. We

705
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: got knife. Isn't that crazy? Yeah? Who hasn't done that?

706
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: Left a knife behind? And that's by a gut pile

707
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: out in the world. Oh yeah, And this article gets

708
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:23,080
Speaker 1: into something interesting that. Um, around that time years ago,

709
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 1: the Vikings began to establish trade networks for caribou hides

710
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: and in goods, and they can and then when they

711
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,919
Speaker 1: go and look at like genetic stuff, they can see

712
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,719
Speaker 1: that the population start to bottle neck out. Huh, like

713
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 1: they were over hunting. Once they developed like good trade networks,

714
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: they started to pouring the coals to them and they

715
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: see that they really started to reduce the numbers significantly.

716
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: Contemporaneous with them establishing markets, which is very similar to

717
00:47:52,160 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: the you know what happened to the market bison? Everything

718
00:47:57,719 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: clicking lawn and then someone wants to give you a

719
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 1: couple for the hide, talking him down? All right, Yeah,

720
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,239
Speaker 1: so what I'll give people an update on? Yeah yang this?

721
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 1: Since do you want to tell people? Where are you

722
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: gonna be next Wednesday? Next Wednesday? Isn't it next Wednesday? Um?

723
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: Are we are we turkey hunting next Wednesday? Yeah? No,

724
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 1: I thought you're gonna be in the land at eating it.

725
00:48:19,560 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well it's it's actually in two days Wednesday,

726
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: you'll have yeah, you'll have already eating at Kevin Glaspie's. Yeah,

727
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,640
Speaker 1: I'm actually going home and packing up and then heading

728
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: out tomorrow at six am. Awesome. Yeah, So what's going

729
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,319
Speaker 1: on in hunting Land? Have you had? You didn't have

730
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: any You guys don't have any success here at the

731
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 1: during place. Wasn't able to produce for you. Yeah, but

732
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: but all is not lost. You know, we um got

733
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:53,560
Speaker 1: McHale out there and we heard tons of gobbling and

734
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:56,600
Speaker 1: saw a ton of turkeys, and so I think that's

735
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 1: totally worth the trip. Was this her first turkey hunt

736
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 1: if you count us walking out a few days ago

737
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:07,399
Speaker 1: because the seasons already started in Minnesota. So we we

738
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 1: went out for a running gun style um um on

739
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 1: Wednesday evening after school and then you know, we got

740
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: ready to come here. So officially it's it's her first

741
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: time out, like sitting in a blind for a long time,

742
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:30,799
Speaker 1: she must have really liked it to almost got the

743
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: same attorney as Steve. That part was no non negotiable,

744
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:40,839
Speaker 1: and she was She was getting um contentious with Pat

745
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,160
Speaker 1: and I a little bit because she wanted to stay

746
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 1: here with the kids. You know, She's like, could we

747
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:49,279
Speaker 1: just go for thirty minutes? They can't, they can't, can't

748
00:49:49,320 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: be you got a pretty good turkey hunter to do.

749
00:49:53,600 --> 00:50:00,720
Speaker 1: But that was if you said, if she in thirty minutes,

750
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:02,799
Speaker 1: we'll be back here within an hour. You know, so

751
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:07,920
Speaker 1: it could happen. And then, uh what happened last year's season?

752
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: Last year's season did a did a ton of hunting.

753
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: Um I missed an any pointer? Uh be a shotgun?

754
00:50:19,880 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 1: Um I texted you about it, but you gave me

755
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:28,080
Speaker 1: no sympathies. Uh So, so missed one an opening day

756
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,959
Speaker 1: and of the rifle season, and then didn't see one

757
00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 1: after that. And then my brother and I went out

758
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,759
Speaker 1: a few times, and my buddy went out a few

759
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: times down in Rochester, and um, we went out one

760
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,520
Speaker 1: day it was the u h last day of the

761
00:50:48,600 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 1: archery season and then the next day would have been

762
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,880
Speaker 1: the c W D hunt. So I was sitting in

763
00:50:53,920 --> 00:50:56,960
Speaker 1: a tree with my bowl and it was getting cold

764
00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 1: and used like sub ten degrees or something like that. Um,

765
00:51:01,560 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: I was fugiating with my gloves and you know, this

766
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:07,600
Speaker 1: tiny spike came by and I didn't have I didn't

767
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:09,560
Speaker 1: have a chance of shoot and so that was that.

768
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: And then the next day was the cdw D hunt

769
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,320
Speaker 1: and we we didn't see any that came by. So

770
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: so that was it. That's like what Yanni always says, Yep,

771
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: so close, but I feel like I feel like we're

772
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: getting closer. And um, but you know it's still you know,

773
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 1: time most bent, how old you know time like you

774
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,400
Speaker 1: you got twenty more years deer hunt ahead at least,

775
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,080
Speaker 1: dug still kicking. Yeah. Well, my my only my only

776
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:50,319
Speaker 1: slight regret is I started late, right and so um yeah,

777
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: but looking forward to it. Yeah, that's good. Your seasons

778
00:51:56,239 --> 00:52:00,600
Speaker 1: are much shorter. The archery season is September, September all

779
00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:04,279
Speaker 1: the way to end of December. And then you got

780
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: the rifle mixed in there. You know. Um, I bought

781
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:15,120
Speaker 1: a bunch of more firearms since we last met. Well,

782
00:52:15,160 --> 00:52:17,959
Speaker 1: I was telling these guys the you know, Minnesota split

783
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:21,080
Speaker 1: into the north and southeast, so we ended up hunting

784
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 1: or I'd end up hunting with my brother and my buddies,

785
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 1: just mostly in the south of the couple of days

786
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: after I missed that buck, you know, I was with

787
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,360
Speaker 1: the regular twelve gauge shotgun with you know the smooth

788
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,560
Speaker 1: barrel and you have to have the rifle slug right. Well,

789
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 1: two days later I went and bought an actual both

790
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:42,520
Speaker 1: action slug gun shotgun sel so I could use it

791
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 1: pretty much anywhere in the state. Yeah, when you get

792
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: your first year, I think we all have a party. Yeah,

793
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: the first year party. You'll you'll be the first one

794
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: to know. Doug Aston must have been a Friday or so.

795
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,919
Speaker 1: How many guns you have now done? Because you're talking

796
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: putting this gun buying spree, he said, I think he

797
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 1: said ten. Then Doug as froll what are they? And

798
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: he started going to his list and Duck says, that's

799
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,640
Speaker 1: only six? Are four? And I think the thing he

800
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,319
Speaker 1: kind of stumped you. Yeah, we got up to eight. Yeah,

801
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: it was was a but it's it really is ten

802
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:22,400
Speaker 1: if you count the handguns. You know, I do have

803
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 1: to handguns. And then I I do have a muzzloader.

804
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: Now you know, I he shot it yet. But right

805
00:53:28,640 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 1: after the muzzleloader season, um, my brother and I like, well,

806
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: I think if we want to keep hunting a lot,

807
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,960
Speaker 1: we we need to get into this muzzleloader action. So

808
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:40,680
Speaker 1: him and I went and bought two muzzleloaders, and you

809
00:53:40,719 --> 00:53:43,880
Speaker 1: know it's got the you know, the pellets, um you know,

810
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: I guess they call it the inline muzzleloader. I learned

811
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: all about it this year for the first time. We

812
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 1: should muzzleload hunt together sometimes. I just started doing that.

813
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:53,920
Speaker 1: So it's like we're getting we're new at it together.

814
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:58,720
Speaker 1: It sounds great. With one. You gotta um a promising

815
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,479
Speaker 1: hunt plan put together for this Oh yeah, oh yeah,

816
00:54:01,560 --> 00:54:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, got right after the Turkey season.

817
00:54:04,800 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: You know, we're probably gonna you know, I think the

818
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: one thing I've been learning throughout this process is you

819
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: got to do a lot more scouting. So we done

820
00:54:11,400 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: did a ton of scouting before the Turkey season, and

821
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:18,200
Speaker 1: then as soon as this Turkey season ends, you know,

822
00:54:18,360 --> 00:54:22,120
Speaker 1: it's gonna go back into you know, archery mode and

823
00:54:22,360 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: scouting mode for the for the summer. So yeah, so

824
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: it's gonna be archery, you know, rifle and then muzzleloader. Yeah,

825
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:33,000
Speaker 1: and then you know, whatever the c w D hunts

826
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:35,920
Speaker 1: are will be typically have two at the end of

827
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: middle December and December. If when when you get one

828
00:54:40,120 --> 00:54:42,759
Speaker 1: and I'm saying when when you get a deer, do

829
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,400
Speaker 1: you imagine you'll do all mong preparations or do you

830
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:49,239
Speaker 1: think you'll do like Joe Blow American preparations, Well, the

831
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: Mong preparations are really just soup. And so, which which

832
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 1: is another thing is my brother and I said that,

833
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: you know, want one day when you can get this

834
00:54:59,560 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: group to there, will we'll coop. We'll cook up this

835
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: we if you literally translated, it's poop soup, right, which

836
00:55:07,520 --> 00:55:12,240
Speaker 1: is which is which is basically every like just everything

837
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,640
Speaker 1: in this big pot. It's what kind of soup soup?

838
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 1: It's I mean it's I mean literally everything but the

839
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: kitchen sink pretty much. I mean, you clean, you clean

840
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:28,520
Speaker 1: out the you know you're talking the stomach. You know,

841
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 1: you're talking everything from the deer from the deer. Oh yeah,

842
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:39,280
Speaker 1: oh yeah, yeptcom intrigued. Yeah, I mean it's it's really

843
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: just I mean, there's nothing special to it. It's just um,

844
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 1: you know, typically we don't throw away anything, right and

845
00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:50,680
Speaker 1: so and that's you guys. You guys people are more

846
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: connected to the days of want than our people. Yes,

847
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 1: I have been softened and spoiled by opulence. Yeah. So

848
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,799
Speaker 1: if you know, and I grew up in you know,

849
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,080
Speaker 1: in the Twin Cities. When we have our you know,

850
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 1: cultural rituals usually typically go onto you butcher a pig

851
00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:14,759
Speaker 1: or um a cow to basically you're offering that up

852
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,279
Speaker 1: to the ancestors or to do the ceremony, like if

853
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:21,840
Speaker 1: you have a newborn, you know everybody, You invite everybody

854
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,840
Speaker 1: and they tie strings on their hands. It's it's actually

855
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:28,760
Speaker 1: a thaie ceremony um in origin. But um. You typically

856
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:33,360
Speaker 1: butcher cow or pig and you invite the whole community

857
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: or your family. And that's one of the things that

858
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:41,239
Speaker 1: they do is they take they save everything, including um,

859
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 1: including the skin, and they they they use it all

860
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: in whatever type of dishes that they're cooking for the day.

861
00:56:48,040 --> 00:56:51,480
Speaker 1: And this big pot of stew is usually you know,

862
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,000
Speaker 1: one of the main things because it could feed a

863
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:56,480
Speaker 1: lot of people. It's got stomaching, it's got it's got everything. Yeah,

864
00:56:56,520 --> 00:57:00,440
Speaker 1: anything you can imagine goes in there, except for the heart. Dude,

865
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: did you did you? Did you listen Doug? I gotta

866
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: revisit something. Did you listen to the episode when he

867
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:11,799
Speaker 1: was on when you talked about the clan of mung

868
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 1: that can't eat heart? I vaguely recall it. Well, let's

869
00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 1: we're gonna do a game at chicken. No, what's it

870
00:57:20,280 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 1: called nut chicken? Telephone? If I get this straight. And

871
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:27,800
Speaker 1: by the way, audience, that's episode two seventy seven driving

872
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:30,240
Speaker 1: Squirrels with the Mom, which was should have been called

873
00:57:30,320 --> 00:57:37,440
Speaker 1: mong dudes, you trouble. So so I'm gonna get this straight.

874
00:57:37,800 --> 00:57:41,480
Speaker 1: There's a legend or a story where there's a and

875
00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: it's it's a curse. Actually it's a curse. There is

876
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:49,840
Speaker 1: a one of these events is occurring and they put

877
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: the heart of a what uh, Kyle, they needed that

878
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:56,200
Speaker 1: to just tell a damn story. I mean, I know

879
00:57:56,280 --> 00:57:57,440
Speaker 1: the gist of it, but I just want you to

880
00:57:57,440 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 1: retell the story. Okay. So they're they're cooking this big

881
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: pot and in that pot is the heart of um.

882
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,160
Speaker 1: You know, depending on who tells the story, you know,

883
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:12,800
Speaker 1: it's it's usually a cow. Right. When it came time

884
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: to come take the heart to go and do whatever

885
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: they needed to do with with the heart, they couldn't

886
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:25,360
Speaker 1: find it in the pot, in the pot anywhere, looked

887
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: high and low, couldn't find it. So they they looked

888
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: in the pot, couldn't find it. So they blamed it

889
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:39,080
Speaker 1: on this young boy or kid um or or a

890
00:58:39,120 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: young man or a young kid and long story. Should

891
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: they used his heart. Ah, so they you know, ended

892
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 1: up killing him. Used that used his heart for this

893
00:58:53,680 --> 00:59:03,720
Speaker 1: because you have to because they had to contract. So

894
00:59:03,720 --> 00:59:09,200
Speaker 1: so but you had there were some details about that boy. Yeah,

895
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: so um you know apparently he that boy young man

896
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: had a like a mental disability and so um he

897
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: because he was essentially easy to blame because he couldn't

898
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: defend himself. Um, so they used his heart and blamed

899
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 1: it on him. When everything was said and done, Uh,

900
00:59:35,160 --> 00:59:39,720
Speaker 1: and they're cleaning out the pot, they find the cows

901
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 1: hearts stuck at the bottom of the pot. And it

902
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: was there all along. Oh so then this kind of

903
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: cover up ensues, right and one of the relatives or

904
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,960
Speaker 1: I can't remember it was. It was a woman. It

905
00:59:57,080 --> 00:59:59,200
Speaker 1: was it was a woman because it was a woman

906
00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: who laid the curve on the men. So you know,

907
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: her curse was that from this day forth, all you men,

908
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 1: you ever eat a heart, you're gonna go blind and

909
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:15,720
Speaker 1: so and and that curse affects certain subclans of the

910
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 1: I'm a Yang, so it affects certain subclans of the Yang.

911
01:00:20,320 --> 01:00:23,160
Speaker 1: So you can't eat heart. I can't eat heart. Wow,

912
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: and you don't think heart and you honor that I do. Yeah,

913
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 1: that's one of the first things you learned growing up

914
01:00:33,440 --> 01:00:38,000
Speaker 1: um And yeah, so I was sharing I was sharing

915
01:00:38,040 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: this last time. Was two things you learned growing up

916
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: is you know, you can't eat heart as as a

917
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:48,840
Speaker 1: um as a male member of the family, and you

918
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: can't marry somebody with the same last name, regardless of subclan.

919
01:00:54,120 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: So huh, I think that poop soup is gonna be great. Yeah, yep.

920
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,960
Speaker 1: I like your attention to detail and the level of

921
01:01:03,960 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: of of of detail that and that you're able to

922
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 1: delve into these stories really well. I just find it fascinating.

923
01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:20,000
Speaker 1: So what are you doing the Saturday before? Thanks? Well,

924
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's interesting you ask that because

925
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 1: you know my you know, my wife, her her family

926
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: obviously isn't effect affected by the curse, right, but you

927
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 1: you kinda hear, you know, when you go to family again,

928
01:01:35,120 --> 01:01:36,640
Speaker 1: and you kind of hear, oh, you know, we got

929
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: the sudden low over the candy arts, so you guys

930
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,959
Speaker 1: kind to watch out for that, you know. So, uh,

931
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,919
Speaker 1: they do kind of It's kind of like this known thing.

932
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: People take it seriously. Yeah, but they yeah, they do.

933
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: They do take it seriously. Yeah. So yeah, it's it's

934
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 1: kind of one of those kind of funny things, but

935
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: not so funny things. Wherever you go, you know, just

936
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,919
Speaker 1: have to do it the Saturday before Thanksgiving. Well, but

937
01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:07,280
Speaker 1: by that, I mean when you I guess what I

938
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 1: was thinking it was in general, when you cook stuff

939
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: or when you um and when you get large gatherings,

940
01:02:14,760 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 1: you know, you just kind of it's just the known

941
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 1: thing that you watch out what you put in the

942
01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:22,320
Speaker 1: you know, all the dishes or to not putting you

943
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: hearten her. Yeah, yeah, because you have members that are

944
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:32,080
Speaker 1: affected by that. So that has to do with Thanksgiving.

945
01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the Saturday before Thanksgiving something. I think

946
01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:41,040
Speaker 1: you're getting an invite? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so the Saturday

947
01:02:41,080 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 1: before Thanksgiving, Doug's not getting to the point. Saturday before

948
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is opening day of the gun deer season here

949
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 1: in Wisconsin where we can shoot bucks and it's a

950
01:02:53,240 --> 01:02:56,400
Speaker 1: nine day It's a nine day season, all right. I

951
01:02:56,520 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: love to have you come and join us. That'd be great, Doug.

952
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: I mean I don't have anything planned. If you did,

953
01:03:02,200 --> 01:03:06,960
Speaker 1: you just clear that. I will say this about that though. Um,

954
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 1: we don't eat any deer before we get it tested

955
01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: for c WD, so you can't. We won't eat you know,

956
01:03:14,400 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 1: fresh venicine from that particularly weekend. So I eat the

957
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: old deer. You got eat the old deer. So usually

958
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: there will be something that'll be summ around, but not

959
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:28,360
Speaker 1: the whole poop soup thing. Well, I'll make it if

960
01:03:28,400 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: you want some, Well, maybe we can make it out

961
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 1: of something else. Oh, you guys work out the details, Doug. Yes, well,

962
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:53,240
Speaker 1: first off, I thought you have a comment about kids

963
01:03:53,600 --> 01:03:58,760
Speaker 1: and organized sports. Yeah, I do have several. Um, well,

964
01:03:59,160 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: but it was has been giving the most interesting Yeah. Well,

965
01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,360
Speaker 1: the interesting thing is listening to you and you and

966
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,840
Speaker 1: Katie going back and forth and knowing and loving both

967
01:04:07,880 --> 01:04:11,080
Speaker 1: of you, and knowing and loving your kids. Um, I

968
01:04:11,120 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 1: agree with I agree with her about the skiing thing,

969
01:04:15,320 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 1: that the kids getting the opportunity to go skiing. I

970
01:04:17,560 --> 01:04:20,160
Speaker 1: understand why how it affects things with you and then

971
01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:23,160
Speaker 1: you were sounded like there was some rub about organized

972
01:04:23,200 --> 01:04:27,720
Speaker 1: sports and whatnot. Um, I don't like commit I don't

973
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:30,440
Speaker 1: want to commit myself to doing all that stuff for

974
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:32,720
Speaker 1: a bunch of weekends in a row. Yeah, and rather

975
01:04:32,800 --> 01:04:35,320
Speaker 1: come to like Ducks place even if it was. Yeah. So,

976
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,480
Speaker 1: I mean, so I played sports all through school. I

977
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: went to college, played basketball, I taught high school. I

978
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: was a high school coach. Um my daughter didn't play.

979
01:04:47,840 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 1: She played volleyball for a little while, you know, kind

980
01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: of gave up on it wasn't something that I was

981
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,640
Speaker 1: that I pushed her towards, kind of gave her the

982
01:04:55,640 --> 01:05:00,120
Speaker 1: opportunity if she wanted to do it, and U the

983
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:03,439
Speaker 1: thing that I even though, even though she's five eleven,

984
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,400
Speaker 1: she had a pretty bad ankle injury and she's just like,

985
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,959
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quick playing sports. And I was like, that's fine.

986
01:05:09,640 --> 01:05:13,360
Speaker 1: Um So all of those that background sports and then

987
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:15,760
Speaker 1: I build and manage athletic fields for part of my living.

988
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,520
Speaker 1: Um so it seems and I had pretty good experiences

989
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 1: as an athlete and and and all of that, but

990
01:05:23,640 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 1: I also have a wrecked knee, a wrecked ankle, um

991
01:05:27,320 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: all kinds of sports injuries that um, had I do

992
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,120
Speaker 1: to do my life over, I would have gotten more.

993
01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:36,120
Speaker 1: I think I would have liked to have gotten more

994
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,480
Speaker 1: interested in life lifelong sports, which skiing is one of

995
01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:44,000
Speaker 1: the things that I really like. But I understand is

996
01:05:44,040 --> 01:05:52,959
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to it lays waste to people. Oh yeah,

997
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:54,880
Speaker 1: I know, I I know people got hurt really bad.

998
01:05:55,200 --> 01:05:57,960
Speaker 1: But lifelong sports is sort of and that's what I

999
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: like about your approaches. Let's do lifelong sports. Um and

1000
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:06,520
Speaker 1: uh So, even though I have had all this experience

1001
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:09,240
Speaker 1: in sports and a lot of positive moves makes, I've

1002
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:14,120
Speaker 1: also seen the ugly side of like parental involvement with sports.

1003
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,959
Speaker 1: I mean, embarrassing moments with people with their kids. And

1004
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: because I've been around it, and I mean I had

1005
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: parents confront me when I was a coach about their

1006
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 1: kids not playing enough and you know, and all of that,

1007
01:06:25,560 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 1: and um so I kind of admire the discussion that

1008
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,400
Speaker 1: you and Katie have been having about it. And boy,

1009
01:06:32,400 --> 01:06:34,280
Speaker 1: I'll tell you, hang around with your kids. They aren't

1010
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: suffering from any you know, lack of opportunity for various things.

1011
01:06:38,240 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: And um so, yeah, you guys keep working that out.

1012
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 1: All right, Let's let's move on to the next thing

1013
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:51,120
Speaker 1: I gotta talked about. Um, you were you have a

1014
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 1: right to speak about this because when when when we

1015
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 1: had Uncle Ted on the show, Ted Nugent, he and

1016
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 1: I talked about you a fair bit in the context

1017
01:07:03,160 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: of c w D and you had I'm normally not

1018
01:07:09,600 --> 01:07:16,400
Speaker 1: interested in retorts, but but you you you felt that

1019
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 1: it came down to factual issues. Yeah. Sure, so this

1020
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:25,760
Speaker 1: is this is be filed under correction, not a retort. Well,

1021
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,520
Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And yeah, people reach out to me

1022
01:07:28,560 --> 01:07:31,840
Speaker 1: anytime I mentioned on the podcast, Yeah, someone called you.

1023
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:34,320
Speaker 1: What they say, watch out, don't mess a Nugent fat

1024
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:38,000
Speaker 1: boy or something I told you about. Oh, it's just something.

1025
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:41,240
Speaker 1: You beat that person's ass. Can you imagine if you

1026
01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: got the fight? Whoever? That was when Uh, when I

1027
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 1: was on the Rogun podcast and I referred to Nugent

1028
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:54,720
Speaker 1: as the guitar player. Um, I got messages from a

1029
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:57,440
Speaker 1: guy who said, I'll come to Casanova and kick your ass.

1030
01:07:57,800 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 1: And I said, that's why I sit with my back

1031
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:01,240
Speaker 1: to the wall. Can I see bastards like you coming?

1032
01:08:02,200 --> 01:08:05,600
Speaker 1: I was. I was more confrontational in those days. I

1033
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:12,160
Speaker 1: have since mellowed. And uh. And that was really interesting

1034
01:08:12,200 --> 01:08:15,160
Speaker 1: after that is Joe is texting me after that podcast

1035
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 1: and he's texting with Nugent at the same time, and

1036
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,400
Speaker 1: I said, oh, if you're texting with him, can you

1037
01:08:19,400 --> 01:08:22,200
Speaker 1: ask him if he felt disrespected by that comment? Because

1038
01:08:22,240 --> 01:08:23,960
Speaker 1: It was the only thing that I actually had planned

1039
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:26,479
Speaker 1: to say. If I'm going to listen to if I

1040
01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:28,880
Speaker 1: want to learn kick ass Detroit guitar licks, I'll listen

1041
01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 1: to Ted Nugent. If I want to learn about chronic

1042
01:08:31,520 --> 01:08:35,320
Speaker 1: wasting disease and epidemiology, I'll listen to people like my

1043
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:38,880
Speaker 1: co guest here, Brian Richards. And I asked, you don't

1044
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:40,640
Speaker 1: ask him? He goes, no, he thought it was a

1045
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 1: great line. Well like, okay, well something that Ted NuGen

1046
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 1: and I agree on, so you know that was pretty cool.

1047
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 1: Um and so yeah, somebody called wow, I mean the

1048
01:08:50,520 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 1: fat boy thing. I was like, yeah, I know I

1049
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:54,479
Speaker 1: could lose a few pounds, but um oh, I don't

1050
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:56,559
Speaker 1: know who that is, but you would beat his ass.

1051
01:08:57,000 --> 01:08:59,439
Speaker 1: I had a pinched nerve my shoulder, and I wanted

1052
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 1: day I'm telling my kids like trying to dude. When

1053
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:05,559
Speaker 1: Doug was like I I made Doug cross a little bit.

1054
01:09:06,240 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: You realize he could just crush the bones on his shoulder,

1055
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 1: like you could have driven his thumb out my armpit.

1056
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:15,120
Speaker 1: I wasn't even pressing higher. Can I tell you a

1057
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 1: real quick story about Doug strength. We were loading up

1058
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 1: deer into my truck last fall from his milk shed

1059
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 1: down here and for me to haul deer into my

1060
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:28,679
Speaker 1: truck first get in on tailgate and then got crawled

1061
01:09:28,720 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 1: into the truck and pull them all the way in.

1062
01:09:31,160 --> 01:09:35,920
Speaker 1: Doug stood behind the tailgate, picked these these are adult deer,

1063
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: picked him up like flower sackson him the truck but

1064
01:09:42,439 --> 01:09:46,760
Speaker 1: barely bending over. Just yeah, and my best days are

1065
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: behind me too. So you know, I'm not saying like, um,

1066
01:09:50,520 --> 01:09:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm not saying dog's gonna go like run down to

1067
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: town and back or something like that, but just in

1068
01:09:55,479 --> 01:10:01,840
Speaker 1: terms of like just uh, moments of power, you should

1069
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:05,360
Speaker 1: come over to let that guy run. Unless that guy runs,

1070
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:08,080
Speaker 1: Doug is gonna be a Actually, I think you and

1071
01:10:08,120 --> 01:10:11,439
Speaker 1: I've had a conversation before that guy and Doug in

1072
01:10:11,479 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 1: this room right here and shut door and locked it.

1073
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,320
Speaker 1: That dude is not gonna be alive. But that's not true.

1074
01:10:18,320 --> 01:10:21,320
Speaker 1: I would sit down and have a reasonable conversation with

1075
01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,680
Speaker 1: him and asked him about his points, and then I

1076
01:10:24,720 --> 01:10:26,800
Speaker 1: would make my points and by the time it was

1077
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,680
Speaker 1: all over with, we would be singing kumbaya. And that

1078
01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:35,360
Speaker 1: didn't work. If that didn't work, uh, so, like if

1079
01:10:35,360 --> 01:10:38,680
Speaker 1: you punch Doug. It doesn't matter. Hey, Doug ever done?

1080
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: M m A no, No. Around here, we don't call it,

1081
01:10:43,160 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 1: you know, UFC or an ask kicking contest the other

1082
01:10:49,880 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 1: the first time I went to UFC, I'm like watching

1083
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:54,400
Speaker 1: and I'm going, that's an ask kicking contest where I'm

1084
01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: from anyway. Uh okay, So see w D. Yeah, Karna,

1085
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,000
Speaker 1: I we're talking about this earlier, and I said, you know,

1086
01:11:02,240 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 1: you need a title, a title for the c w

1087
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:07,600
Speaker 1: D sections because it's really kind of getting, you know,

1088
01:11:08,240 --> 01:11:11,639
Speaker 1: so I think we should call it eat the Burger. Yeah.

1089
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,680
Speaker 1: So you're not here to tell You're not here to

1090
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,280
Speaker 1: try to say that Stranglehold wasn't a work of genius.

1091
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,920
Speaker 1: You're here to talk about c w D. Yeah, Yeah, No.

1092
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,960
Speaker 1: I I as a stranglehold the hell of a song,

1093
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:30,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna I'm not gonna yeah anyway, Um,

1094
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:32,840
Speaker 1: they eat the burger part. First of all, there's a

1095
01:11:32,840 --> 01:11:35,679
Speaker 1: difference between saying yeah, I'd eat the burger and being

1096
01:11:35,720 --> 01:11:38,639
Speaker 1: confronted with it. I know, but I want to carry

1097
01:11:38,640 --> 01:11:41,040
Speaker 1: the burger around, but I feel it here. Here's here's

1098
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,160
Speaker 1: where you you can't you can't take it from here.

1099
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:48,200
Speaker 1: State the stairs where you're your own worst enemy. Uh.

1100
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,320
Speaker 1: I want to get a bunch of c w D

1101
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:54,600
Speaker 1: burger to bring to present to people who say that

1102
01:11:54,720 --> 01:11:56,880
Speaker 1: they want to eat c w D burger. Should be

1103
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,080
Speaker 1: a new show in the Mediator Network. Part of c

1104
01:12:00,360 --> 01:12:08,000
Speaker 1: w people. The c w D enforcers would These are

1105
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: the people who like, you're supposed to do this with

1106
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: your knife and burn your house down after you have

1107
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:17,080
Speaker 1: the deer in there. They would be pissed if I

1108
01:12:17,160 --> 01:12:20,559
Speaker 1: had a little pelican box full of the burger and

1109
01:12:20,600 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 1: I moved around with it. Yeah, you couldn't take even

1110
01:12:23,280 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: though you got deer one and all over. Holy hell

1111
01:12:25,000 --> 01:12:28,080
Speaker 1: with c do you pining to put it in like radioactive?

1112
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: You see? This is the exaggeration that immediately happens. But

1113
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: you're right, you can't transport it state the state. Well

1114
01:12:37,160 --> 01:12:39,559
Speaker 1: that's not true. You can take meat state the state.

1115
01:12:40,320 --> 01:12:43,360
Speaker 1: It's it's uh and you find out when it's if

1116
01:12:43,360 --> 01:12:48,080
Speaker 1: it's CWD positive, it's it's up to you. And so

1117
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 1: I could legally carry the CWD meat. So and and

1118
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:55,479
Speaker 1: that's a point that that I want to make. I'm

1119
01:12:55,479 --> 01:12:59,960
Speaker 1: not saying people shouldn't eat UH CWD positive meat. I'm saying,

1120
01:13:00,240 --> 01:13:03,040
Speaker 1: go ahead and make that decision, make it for yourself.

1121
01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:05,559
Speaker 1: But you're you're but that's not even what I wanted

1122
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: to talk about. So you're saying that you don't buy it.

1123
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:16,920
Speaker 1: I buy it that people would eat positive, asked Uncle

1124
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:23,479
Speaker 1: Ted MotorCity Madman. If I had a c w D

1125
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:27,160
Speaker 1: burger made with ten c W depositive animals ground into

1126
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: a burger, would you eat the burger? He said, I

1127
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:33,280
Speaker 1: would eat the burger too. Dougie here Bubbles is saying

1128
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:37,960
Speaker 1: he's not buying. Yeah, I'm saying, there's no what I

1129
01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:42,160
Speaker 1: think I can. I say one thing and I'll this

1130
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:44,560
Speaker 1: is not my show, but you need to do with

1131
01:13:44,640 --> 01:13:48,840
Speaker 1: your test though. Let's put a picture above the animal,

1132
01:13:48,920 --> 01:13:51,559
Speaker 1: what the animal came from, and you show a picture

1133
01:13:51,600 --> 01:13:53,960
Speaker 1: of like the typical buck to get shot that like

1134
01:13:54,000 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: I've killed that had tested positis, seemed to would be depositive,

1135
01:13:58,040 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 1: looks healthy. You show some the pictures of deer CDBD

1136
01:14:02,360 --> 01:14:06,160
Speaker 1: later in the disease when they're getting wasted, down, their drooling,

1137
01:14:06,200 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: their heads rolling around. Put that picture on there, say

1138
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,599
Speaker 1: would you eat meat off this deer? There's a whole

1139
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,560
Speaker 1: different absolutely right, And in fact that's where the you

1140
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: better watch what you say about nugent fatso or whatever

1141
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: that guy said to me where that came from. I

1142
01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 1: posted a video after that podcast of a deer that

1143
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:28,320
Speaker 1: was brought in by my friend down the road, UM,

1144
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 1: that he pulled into his hunting spot, and here's this

1145
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:34,120
Speaker 1: emaciated buck who had already dropped his antler's land there

1146
01:14:34,360 --> 01:14:37,280
Speaker 1: next to their field road jaking. You've seen the video

1147
01:14:38,040 --> 01:14:42,240
Speaker 1: and uh. And I posted that back up and said,

1148
01:14:42,240 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 1: I guess I should have kept some of this and

1149
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 1: turned it into hamburger. I understand some people would be

1150
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:51,000
Speaker 1: interested in eating it. I got a lot of comments

1151
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:52,679
Speaker 1: about it. I was like, well that was pretty yeah,

1152
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:56,320
Speaker 1: and so you know that's when you became fat boy. Yeah. Well,

1153
01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: and you know again, I could stand loose some weight,

1154
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: so I don't I'll take it. Um. Yeah, that video

1155
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 1: is something. But that's that is absolutely so that what

1156
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:09,120
Speaker 1: Pat saying is, that's exactly That's exactly the point. And

1157
01:15:09,200 --> 01:15:12,519
Speaker 1: making that choice for yourself is one thing. Making that

1158
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:16,160
Speaker 1: choice unknowingly serving it to other people, And I would

1159
01:15:16,200 --> 01:15:18,439
Speaker 1: even encourage people to think long and hard about it

1160
01:15:18,479 --> 01:15:23,200
Speaker 1: before they would serve it to their kids. UM, explain

1161
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:30,080
Speaker 1: why though because of the long trajectory of UH disease

1162
01:15:30,240 --> 01:15:35,000
Speaker 1: like a christ failed the yakubs variant um and the

1163
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 1: effect that it can have on people. UM even Ted

1164
01:15:40,240 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 1: admitted that scrape ees in sheep is probably the origin

1165
01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 1: of it, and it transferred to whitetail deer. Theoretically that

1166
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:54,599
Speaker 1: we know mad cow disease transferred from UH UH cattle

1167
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:59,200
Speaker 1: to human beings. It's called a transferable sponge offforn en

1168
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:05,479
Speaker 1: cephalopath The transferable is in the name so um out

1169
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: of a preponderance of caution and risk reduction, that is

1170
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:12,360
Speaker 1: why I would do it. And in that long arc

1171
01:16:12,439 --> 01:16:15,280
Speaker 1: of time, I wouldn't feed. I mean I even sent

1172
01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:17,360
Speaker 1: you guys an email about the venison that we were

1173
01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: going to have here, right, I mean it was a

1174
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: it was a fawn or a year of the year

1175
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,320
Speaker 1: UM that had tested not c w D, not detected.

1176
01:16:26,360 --> 01:16:31,800
Speaker 1: I just felt in in UH being a truthful and

1177
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 1: conscious person to let you know this is the case,

1178
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: this is what this means. And he both said, you know,

1179
01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 1: we'll eat what you eat, but I wouldn't. I don't

1180
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,280
Speaker 1: want to make that decision for at least for your kids.

1181
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:47,840
Speaker 1: So and that's I mean I'm not being hysterical here

1182
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,840
Speaker 1: or anything. I think just being a decent person. So, UM,

1183
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:56,479
Speaker 1: some of the other issues that I have with what

1184
01:16:57,640 --> 01:17:01,000
Speaker 1: with Ted Nugent said. One of the things that he said,

1185
01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,320
Speaker 1: I made notes, and I rarely make notes before I

1186
01:17:03,400 --> 01:17:05,760
Speaker 1: come out of your podcast. So one of the reasons

1187
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:08,320
Speaker 1: you'd have trouble find and tended deer with CWD. We've

1188
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:12,120
Speaker 1: had twelve on this farm. Um, And just for perspective,

1189
01:17:12,160 --> 01:17:18,240
Speaker 1: how how many acres uhres? And so we've had twelve

1190
01:17:18,280 --> 01:17:19,840
Speaker 1: and that's over a five year period of time that

1191
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 1: have tested positive. And as you fairly represented on that podcast,

1192
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:28,320
Speaker 1: we were testing deer once they started letting us do that,

1193
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:32,599
Speaker 1: and now we get every deer tested and we went

1194
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:35,640
Speaker 1: from no c w D positive to c w D

1195
01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 1: positive UM having CWD positive deer. This past year we

1196
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:44,200
Speaker 1: had of the deer killed on the farm, which by

1197
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 1: the way, was forty deer, which was a record number

1198
01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 1: of deer on this farm. UM, six out of ten

1199
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:54,799
Speaker 1: bucks antler bucks tested positive. So our anecdotal evidence follows

1200
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: the data that testing shows. UM. Anyway, and we've had

1201
01:18:01,400 --> 01:18:03,960
Speaker 1: sick looking deer on the farm that we've not been

1202
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,680
Speaker 1: able to shoot but we've had them on camera in

1203
01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,840
Speaker 1: the middle of the summer when they shouldn't be looking sick.

1204
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 1: Like some of the deer right now look unhealthy. I

1205
01:18:12,280 --> 01:18:14,559
Speaker 1: mean even something that we've seen as we've been out

1206
01:18:14,600 --> 01:18:18,200
Speaker 1: and about. But it's spring of the year and you

1207
01:18:18,280 --> 01:18:21,000
Speaker 1: know winter weekends and spring kills and so you know,

1208
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 1: dear don't do real well. Sometimes you can just see

1209
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:26,160
Speaker 1: them out there just eating like crazy right now because

1210
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:28,720
Speaker 1: they're they're building back up their reserves. So there's that.

1211
01:18:30,120 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: Another one was the vitality of the herd, and uh,

1212
01:18:35,800 --> 01:18:38,320
Speaker 1: there actually are four studies out there and you can

1213
01:18:38,360 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: look them up. I put put them. I sent them

1214
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 1: to you Karnt and they could be put in. The

1215
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:48,120
Speaker 1: show notes that the Boone and Crockett Club, fairly reputable organization,

1216
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 1: UM did articles summarizing them that showed where populations were

1217
01:18:56,280 --> 01:19:02,080
Speaker 1: affected by h chronic wasting to see in four different areas. UM.

1218
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,599
Speaker 1: So there's that that, I mean, it's actually population levels

1219
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:10,000
Speaker 1: are being affected. But then also, UM, what we've seen

1220
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:12,640
Speaker 1: or what's really been seeing south of us is that

1221
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 1: the age structure of the herd is being uh affected,

1222
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:21,080
Speaker 1: so that there are a lot of deer still south

1223
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:23,639
Speaker 1: of us. But what's happening is the older deer dying

1224
01:19:23,760 --> 01:19:27,360
Speaker 1: off and the herd is trending younger and so over time.

1225
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:34,040
Speaker 1: That is a particular concern to people who UM like

1226
01:19:34,240 --> 01:19:37,920
Speaker 1: the hunt big giant bucks. UM Here in Richmond County,

1227
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:40,679
Speaker 1: we're still killing big giant bucks. In Iowa County, they're

1228
01:19:40,680 --> 01:19:44,240
Speaker 1: still uh killing them, but they're killing fewer of them.

1229
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:48,439
Speaker 1: UM Here in Richmond, northern especially northern Richmond County. UM,

1230
01:19:48,520 --> 01:19:51,840
Speaker 1: with our our prevalence level still be being pretty low,

1231
01:19:51,960 --> 01:19:57,720
Speaker 1: we're not seeing that that issue yet. But this past year, UM,

1232
01:19:57,960 --> 01:20:01,000
Speaker 1: we killed my friendship killed the five and a half

1233
01:20:01,200 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 1: year old buck and tested positive. And you know, I'm

1234
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: sorry to say that. I think that deer was already

1235
01:20:08,080 --> 01:20:12,479
Speaker 1: showing the the UH signs, not physically but mentally, just

1236
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:16,280
Speaker 1: by the way he was acting. Seeing him pre rut

1237
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: um standing in the yard like not concerned about anything.

1238
01:20:19,439 --> 01:20:25,479
Speaker 1: Five year old buck, it's usually pretty uh, pretty um wary. UM.

1239
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 1: So there are four studies we put that there UM

1240
01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 1: at CWD ground zero, there's a still killing you know,

1241
01:20:36,720 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: some big old bucks, but sixty there are bucks are

1242
01:20:39,240 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 1: testing positive. I also sent that to you. UM. One

1243
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:47,440
Speaker 1: of the other things that Ted said was that CWD

1244
01:20:47,560 --> 01:20:52,000
Speaker 1: peaked in Wisconsin, southwest Wisconsin eight years ago. Well wrong,

1245
01:20:52,680 --> 01:20:55,840
Speaker 1: Exactly the opice happened in two thousand and fourteen, which

1246
01:20:55,840 --> 01:20:59,840
Speaker 1: would have been eight years ago according to my calculations. UH.

1247
01:21:01,720 --> 01:21:05,000
Speaker 1: If exactly the opposite happened, we we incorporated the dear

1248
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:07,439
Speaker 1: Trustee report at that period of time where we quit,

1249
01:21:07,600 --> 01:21:11,519
Speaker 1: we may took a more passive approach to chronic wasting disease,

1250
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: and we backed off on herd control and population control

1251
01:21:16,200 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 1: UM or at least the tools like earn a buck

1252
01:21:18,880 --> 01:21:23,280
Speaker 1: and longer seasons. And what we saw was a almost

1253
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:28,160
Speaker 1: you know, straight up um increase in the UH in

1254
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:31,040
Speaker 1: the number of CWD positives and the prevalence. So it

1255
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:34,400
Speaker 1: was exactly the opposite of what he said that you

1256
01:21:34,479 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 1: know that CWD in our area, in this area of

1257
01:21:37,240 --> 01:21:44,679
Speaker 1: southwest Wisconsin UM changed quite a bit. UM. What else that? Okay?

1258
01:21:45,080 --> 01:21:47,599
Speaker 1: Do you contest that when they've done control, they've never

1259
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:51,439
Speaker 1: they've never effectively done anything to control, like when they

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01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:53,439
Speaker 1: do the big shootouts and try to kill them all,

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01:21:53,600 --> 01:21:57,400
Speaker 1: that it doesn't have any impact on spread? Do I

1262
01:21:57,960 --> 01:22:01,240
Speaker 1: are there? Is that? Have you? Do you contest that point?

1263
01:22:01,400 --> 01:22:04,120
Speaker 1: I'm glad. I'm glad that Pat's here because we can

1264
01:22:04,160 --> 01:22:08,719
Speaker 1: talk about this. Wisconsin gave up due to political pressure.

1265
01:22:09,080 --> 01:22:11,120
Speaker 1: We were controlling the disease. Is part of what I'm

1266
01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is that through herd reduction through opportunity um,

1267
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:21,599
Speaker 1: we were controlling population, not just for disease control, by

1268
01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:25,320
Speaker 1: the way, but for also for habitat and ecosystem benefits.

1269
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:29,880
Speaker 1: And when we stopped doing that, having extended seasons like

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01:22:29,960 --> 01:22:32,080
Speaker 1: the first time you came here, we were hunting during

1271
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:38,360
Speaker 1: February um uh, and we had earn a buck that

1272
01:22:38,520 --> 01:22:44,880
Speaker 1: was effectively controlling population and actually increasing UM. At least

1273
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,400
Speaker 1: my bow hunter friends were saying they were seeing a

1274
01:22:46,439 --> 01:22:48,759
Speaker 1: lot more big bucks on their feet during those periods

1275
01:22:48,800 --> 01:22:52,639
Speaker 1: of time. That once we abandoned that, that the control

1276
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:54,960
Speaker 1: was working. And once we abandoned that, that's when the

1277
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:02,160
Speaker 1: disease is taken off. Yeah. Yeah, they started compromising, backing

1278
01:23:02,200 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 1: off and stuff. The sud back off yet more, lost

1279
01:23:05,200 --> 01:23:07,760
Speaker 1: a lot of funding from the legislature because it's so

1280
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,680
Speaker 1: much political pressure that den are lost a lot of

1281
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: I can't remember what the percentages were. There was a

1282
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:17,880
Speaker 1: big drop off and testing and control. They no longer

1283
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,840
Speaker 1: allowed them to go out and do targeted harvesting. Where

1284
01:23:20,840 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: you going at areas where you know you have CWD

1285
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 1: pound that area pretty hard. They were showing a pretty

1286
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 1: prett consistently that when they targeted an area, their number

1287
01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:34,080
Speaker 1: of percentage of deer shot with CTBT would go up

1288
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: compared to what the hunters are shooting. So when they

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01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:41,120
Speaker 1: could target it, say that, say that again, Yeah, targeted

1290
01:23:41,160 --> 01:23:44,080
Speaker 1: harvesting DANA were going They call it sharpshooting, but it's

1291
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: basically DN our employees operating at night with spotlights over

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01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:52,280
Speaker 1: a bait pile typically to try to thin the disease, right,

1293
01:23:52,479 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: they would target those areas. You know, they're smart people.

1294
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: They have logistical people that can look at percentages that

1295
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:04,480
Speaker 1: what do they call it the Bayesian principles of statistical analysis,

1296
01:24:05,040 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: And they could figure out these areas that we're probably

1297
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:09,559
Speaker 1: the highest incident areas and target them. So when they

1298
01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,519
Speaker 1: went and shot those areas, they shoot up markedly, number,

1299
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:17,880
Speaker 1: markedly more sed depositive about the hunters in general were

1300
01:24:17,960 --> 01:24:21,320
Speaker 1: shooting during the regular season, so it was effective. What

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01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: do they attribute that to? Understand? Just that they were

1302
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,519
Speaker 1: able to go in and target just one little area

1303
01:24:28,360 --> 01:24:31,080
Speaker 1: rather than hunters are more spread out with them. So yeah,

1304
01:24:31,160 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: so they're focused. Efforts were turning up. We're killing more

1305
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:37,720
Speaker 1: diseased animals than just people. And while and while all

1306
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,040
Speaker 1: that was going on the first ten years, eight ten

1307
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,160
Speaker 1: years of our problem here, they were you see the

1308
01:24:43,240 --> 01:24:45,880
Speaker 1: numbers on those graphs, it's kind of stayed down around

1309
01:24:45,880 --> 01:24:49,679
Speaker 1: two percent two percent. That's starting around two thousand eleven,

1310
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:53,599
Speaker 1: two thousand nine, two thousand nine. Statistically, you could look

1311
01:24:53,680 --> 01:24:56,080
Speaker 1: at and see it was changing. Because it is a

1312
01:24:56,160 --> 01:24:59,360
Speaker 1: slow progressing disease. It's not like it's gonna you know,

1313
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,120
Speaker 1: touch off right from the start. But but in ten

1314
01:25:03,200 --> 01:25:06,240
Speaker 1: years though, and they started backing off, there's numbers started climbing.

1315
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:10,160
Speaker 1: Then they that's a classic wildlife disease term or um

1316
01:25:10,720 --> 01:25:14,200
Speaker 1: um problem. It starts us going up like a big,

1317
01:25:14,479 --> 01:25:18,799
Speaker 1: big uphill climb, just right up, especially among the older

1318
01:25:18,880 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 1: box year link box even but but even the dolls

1319
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,840
Speaker 1: down in areas like this, they're seeing thirty percent of

1320
01:25:24,920 --> 01:25:28,280
Speaker 1: infection rates, you know, Southa here. So it's getting worse.

1321
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,840
Speaker 1: But you know, these these folks who thought that the

1322
01:25:30,920 --> 01:25:34,679
Speaker 1: first ten years, because things weren't going up, everything's fine,

1323
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:39,360
Speaker 1: that we're overblowing the UM. The concern was basically because

1324
01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,439
Speaker 1: we were controlling, you know, and as soon as you

1325
01:25:42,520 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 1: backed off, the problems started. And what I would add

1326
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:48,679
Speaker 1: to that is if you go to Illinois and especially

1327
01:25:48,800 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: northern Illinois, Northern Illinois which is just shof of southern Wisconsin. UM,

1328
01:25:56,400 --> 01:26:00,800
Speaker 1: they have had controlled targeting construption down there on a

1329
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 1: continuing basis, and they have controlled the disease down there.

1330
01:26:03,560 --> 01:26:06,519
Speaker 1: They've controlled their percentages. That's what Montana is doing in

1331
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:09,559
Speaker 1: the breakout areas, and they're using hunters to do it too,

1332
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:14,200
Speaker 1: but they're they're going after him hard, Yeah, in areas

1333
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 1: where they see the disease bring up, just to try

1334
01:26:16,800 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: to like drop numbers. Yeah. It's been really interesting because

1335
01:26:20,200 --> 01:26:24,120
Speaker 1: I've heard from the one ranch manager out there and alarming,

1336
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:27,479
Speaker 1: alarming numbers. And to me out there, it would be

1337
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:32,000
Speaker 1: even more of a concern because I've never hunted in Montana.

1338
01:26:32,600 --> 01:26:35,640
Speaker 1: But um, it seems to me on the on the

1339
01:26:35,840 --> 01:26:39,760
Speaker 1: hierarchy of big game that white tailed deer kind of

1340
01:26:39,800 --> 01:26:42,559
Speaker 1: the bottom of the of the hierarchy, white tailed deer,

1341
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 1: mule deer, elk, moose, um, all which can be affected

1342
01:26:47,640 --> 01:26:51,559
Speaker 1: by c w D, but the white tailed deer are

1343
01:26:51,680 --> 01:26:54,160
Speaker 1: in isolated areas, mostly in the river bottoms for at

1344
01:26:54,200 --> 01:27:00,560
Speaker 1: least according to the well. I mean there's yeah, in

1345
01:27:00,760 --> 01:27:03,800
Speaker 1: a general way, so in the in the inner montane

1346
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:07,720
Speaker 1: areas there in the valleys. Yeah, so there's an opportunity

1347
01:27:07,920 --> 01:27:10,960
Speaker 1: there to control them. I had a long conversation with

1348
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:13,560
Speaker 1: this guy about it and uh to be able to

1349
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:15,640
Speaker 1: control both the number of deer, because he has some

1350
01:27:15,720 --> 01:27:18,080
Speaker 1: of the same concerns I do, you know, damage to

1351
01:27:18,160 --> 01:27:23,080
Speaker 1: the ecosystem, damage to plants that are and trees and

1352
01:27:23,880 --> 01:27:25,519
Speaker 1: that they're trying to grow and they're trying to do

1353
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:31,600
Speaker 1: good things in these river bottoms. Um uh, so you

1354
01:27:31,640 --> 01:27:33,400
Speaker 1: know those are those are the biggest things. I mean,

1355
01:27:33,439 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 1: there was, They're a handful of other things that you know,

1356
01:27:35,560 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 1: the sort of the conspiracy and uh the conspiracy theories

1357
01:27:40,080 --> 01:27:43,760
Speaker 1: about it, and the deflection that I listened to in

1358
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 1: that discussion that you know, the subject got changed pretty

1359
01:27:47,080 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 1: um uh pretty quickly, and I I just want to

1360
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:56,040
Speaker 1: defend UH biologists and the people in the science. I

1361
01:27:56,200 --> 01:28:01,479
Speaker 1: can't think of any good reason that nine nine point

1362
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:04,800
Speaker 1: nine of biologists in this country would be concerned about

1363
01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:07,160
Speaker 1: uh C W d R would be a part of

1364
01:28:07,200 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: a conspiracy to to spread this um or. But what

1365
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:19,320
Speaker 1: is the conspiracy? Well, because I think that like here, uh,

1366
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:23,560
Speaker 1: if you look at the discussion you're referring to, and

1367
01:28:23,640 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to take you the task I'm saying,

1368
01:28:25,680 --> 01:28:29,960
Speaker 1: if you look at the discussion referred to, Ted said,

1369
01:28:31,200 --> 01:28:34,360
Speaker 1: c w D is a thing. It's a disease. Right

1370
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:36,880
Speaker 1: at a time. There are people who questioned like that,

1371
01:28:37,720 --> 01:28:40,680
Speaker 1: like they questioned, it's the reality like that, it's not.

1372
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: They're like, there's there's no whole thing called that, right,

1373
01:28:42,840 --> 01:28:44,400
Speaker 1: it was it was a hoax. It's not what he said,

1374
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:50,919
Speaker 1: It is a disease. Um He feels that it's a disease.

1375
01:28:52,160 --> 01:28:56,040
Speaker 1: Control efforts aren't warranted and aren't practical and aren't effective,

1376
01:28:56,960 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 1: and it'll sort of natur will sort itself out and

1377
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:05,880
Speaker 1: I'd eat it if it's in fact it or not. Now,

1378
01:29:06,640 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 1: if there's other people that have that, they feel there's

1379
01:29:09,320 --> 01:29:13,680
Speaker 1: a conspiracy at play, and I know people who do,

1380
01:29:13,800 --> 01:29:16,080
Speaker 1: I don't know them person I know it is. What

1381
01:29:16,280 --> 01:29:21,360
Speaker 1: do they feel the conspiracy is the Uh? Well, Ted said,

1382
01:29:21,400 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 1: some of this stuff, the insurance companies, the you know,

1383
01:29:24,800 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 1: anti hunters, that there's all those are the kinds of

1384
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 1: reasons to discourage that it discourages people from hunting. M hmm.

1385
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:34,519
Speaker 1: And that would that could be a part of it.

1386
01:29:35,240 --> 01:29:38,439
Speaker 1: The insurance companies would be like, yeah, it's serious, we

1387
01:29:38,479 --> 01:29:41,880
Speaker 1: should kill all the deers. No they don't claim Yeah,

1388
01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,400
Speaker 1: who knows. It's because like they're like, man, imagine the

1389
01:29:44,479 --> 01:29:47,519
Speaker 1: money we'd say, not needing to pay all these dear

1390
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:51,920
Speaker 1: collisions cases. If we could build up this disease hoax

1391
01:29:52,439 --> 01:29:56,800
Speaker 1: that would inspire wildlife managers to kill those I can.

1392
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: I can tell you this. I have spoken to the

1393
01:30:01,560 --> 01:30:04,360
Speaker 1: uh our county biologists here and that that was asked

1394
01:30:04,360 --> 01:30:07,840
Speaker 1: to come down and receive something. And and then uh

1395
01:30:08,040 --> 01:30:10,880
Speaker 1: the guy who invited me that their regional director said hey,

1396
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,880
Speaker 1: could you say a few words. And I look out

1397
01:30:13,960 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 1: on this group of I don't know forty or so

1398
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 1: biologists and they all are looking at me like, oh,

1399
01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:24,439
Speaker 1: here comes the c w D guy. Like these people

1400
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:28,559
Speaker 1: didn't get into wildlife biology to spend the biggest part

1401
01:30:28,640 --> 01:30:32,760
Speaker 1: of their career on chronic wasting disease. There's no motivation

1402
01:30:32,840 --> 01:30:35,880
Speaker 1: for them to do that. There was, um, you know,

1403
01:30:35,960 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: the idea that is the bureaucracy doing it all those

1404
01:30:38,400 --> 01:30:40,160
Speaker 1: folks are a part of the bureaucracy, and I just

1405
01:30:40,320 --> 01:30:43,160
Speaker 1: I just want to push um. UM. I just want

1406
01:30:43,200 --> 01:30:45,840
Speaker 1: to push back on that UM. And so I just

1407
01:30:46,040 --> 01:30:48,920
Speaker 1: will always remember that group of biologists looking at me,

1408
01:30:49,479 --> 01:30:51,360
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I guess the last thing

1409
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:54,280
Speaker 1: you guys want to talk about today is c w D.

1410
01:30:54,360 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 1: So I'm not going to talk about it. And so

1411
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:57,760
Speaker 1: we talked about some of the other I talked about

1412
01:30:57,800 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 1: some of the other thing. UM. I do want to

1413
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:05,840
Speaker 1: say though, that he and I agree on a few things,

1414
01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,280
Speaker 1: and one of them is that the under harvesting of

1415
01:31:08,400 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 1: deer can lead to an increase in chronic wasting disease.

1416
01:31:12,160 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 1: And that's absolutely the case. He talked about that a

1417
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: little bit. I was like, right on, Ted, you got that, UM,

1418
01:31:18,920 --> 01:31:21,960
Speaker 1: and so I agree with that. UM. The fact that

1419
01:31:22,160 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 1: he wanted a hundred tags so that he and his

1420
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:27,680
Speaker 1: family can shoot those deer, I guess I have a

1421
01:31:27,720 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: little suggestion for him. That's maybe bringing some other people

1422
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,880
Speaker 1: to shoot some of those deer, because quite honestly, I

1423
01:31:33,000 --> 01:31:36,080
Speaker 1: did that one year. I shot seven deer and taught

1424
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:38,320
Speaker 1: to myself, I'm only going to use three of these.

1425
01:31:39,560 --> 01:31:44,040
Speaker 1: I'm a deer exterminator at this point. And I, UM,

1426
01:31:44,200 --> 01:31:46,600
Speaker 1: as you rightly said in that thing that you know,

1427
01:31:46,680 --> 01:31:49,280
Speaker 1: I love and admire these animals, I think as much

1428
01:31:49,360 --> 01:31:52,439
Speaker 1: as anybody. And I took that opportunity to then start

1429
01:31:52,520 --> 01:31:55,080
Speaker 1: inviting other people in uh to hunt so that they

1430
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:58,200
Speaker 1: could have that experience and um, so they could learn

1431
01:31:58,200 --> 01:31:59,960
Speaker 1: about the conservation of the white tail, the other kind

1432
01:32:00,000 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: tradition of this property. And and that's one of the

1433
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: things that we've started to do. If you got to

1434
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:17,679
Speaker 1: take guess how many people have hunted? How many people

1435
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:23,160
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty one hunted the Durham family farm.

1436
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:31,679
Speaker 1: Can you believe that that's a lot? Jeez? Forty yeah, yeah,

1437
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:34,960
Speaker 1: and it's fun. I mean part of what hunting. You

1438
01:32:35,160 --> 01:32:40,360
Speaker 1: let forty people hunt your fun? Yeah. Can you only

1439
01:32:40,439 --> 01:32:43,479
Speaker 1: imagine a spirit right here? Can you only imagine if

1440
01:32:43,560 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 1: that that attitude was infectious? I will say this about that.

1441
01:32:54,200 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, So of those forty four actually, and I'm

1442
01:32:58,120 --> 01:33:00,479
Speaker 1: happy to say this, he invited a person for every

1443
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:09,040
Speaker 1: ten acres. Yeah. Um, the opportunity opportunity. Hunting opportunity is

1444
01:33:09,080 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 1: really important. But let me say this, I have UM,

1445
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,800
Speaker 1: I don't bow hunt. As as we've talked about before

1446
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,680
Speaker 1: the day. Tell me bow hunting this for people who

1447
01:33:17,720 --> 01:33:23,720
Speaker 1: don't have enough to do. That's like such a that's

1448
01:33:23,760 --> 01:33:27,880
Speaker 1: like such a farmer mentality. Man means growing up just

1449
01:33:27,920 --> 01:33:29,800
Speaker 1: when he's like growing up when people were running like

1450
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: you know, I grew up around like a lot of

1451
01:33:31,360 --> 01:33:35,479
Speaker 1: small dairy operations like you know, and um the farmers

1452
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:38,720
Speaker 1: man like they like knew about hunting and understood why

1453
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,080
Speaker 1: you wanted to hunting. But just like you at that

1454
01:33:41,320 --> 01:33:44,920
Speaker 1: time late eighties, early nine is you could not find

1455
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:52,320
Speaker 1: a farmer that hunted. It's weird or that the old

1456
01:33:52,479 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 1: So the guys that were like man, the old guys

1457
01:33:55,160 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 1: at that time, now they're kids hunting with a vengeance.

1458
01:33:58,840 --> 01:34:04,640
Speaker 1: Something happened generated But like the family patriarchs okay, who

1459
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:09,120
Speaker 1: are coming out of like the real practical era. Those

1460
01:34:09,200 --> 01:34:13,840
Speaker 1: guys did not well around here, which was similar you know,

1461
01:34:13,960 --> 01:34:18,320
Speaker 1: small dairy farms and lots of them. The Saturday before

1462
01:34:18,400 --> 01:34:22,200
Speaker 1: Thanksgiving is opening day of gun season. Lots and lots

1463
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,840
Speaker 1: of gun hunters. Everybody gun hunted, and you've been here

1464
01:34:24,920 --> 01:34:26,960
Speaker 1: for open gion. Even in these years, it sounds like

1465
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,320
Speaker 1: it feels like Christmas sounds like a war. I think

1466
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:33,639
Speaker 1: is what you said. And oh, yeah, you can't count

1467
01:34:33,720 --> 01:34:37,559
Speaker 1: the gun shots on opening morning. Yeah, and uh, well,

1468
01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,479
Speaker 1: Pat wrote an article about it, like a shot a

1469
01:34:39,560 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 1: second statistic. Pat well back in two thousand that Wisconsin

1470
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:50,320
Speaker 1: was killing a deer every second during during during the

1471
01:34:50,320 --> 01:34:52,240
Speaker 1: gun season. If you were to take all the numbers,

1472
01:34:52,479 --> 01:34:54,800
Speaker 1: it most have happened the first two days, especially the

1473
01:34:54,880 --> 01:34:58,040
Speaker 1: first day. First day when you went and I cultually

1474
01:34:58,240 --> 01:35:01,360
Speaker 1: how many hours written that typical hun day. How many

1475
01:35:01,439 --> 01:35:04,040
Speaker 1: seconds then were and it was all those combined nine

1476
01:35:04,160 --> 01:35:07,160
Speaker 1: days than just did the multiplication, thought, and we're killing

1477
01:35:07,200 --> 01:35:09,760
Speaker 1: a deer second. Some years were killing one point three

1478
01:35:09,800 --> 01:35:12,360
Speaker 1: deer per second, some years are killing point seven deer

1479
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:15,479
Speaker 1: per second. But that's why I read Pat Durkin's articles

1480
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:19,240
Speaker 1: because it's kinma you don't get anywhere else. You know,

1481
01:35:19,479 --> 01:35:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't want to name names, but I was surprised

1482
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:23,760
Speaker 1: to hear that. Uh. I was surprised to hear of

1483
01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:32,520
Speaker 1: a regional outdoor authority finds you two divisive pat statistics

1484
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:35,439
Speaker 1: like that? What was devisive? Right? I mean I love

1485
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:39,960
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Pat does not need to accentuate

1486
01:35:40,040 --> 01:35:45,120
Speaker 1: the titles. It was articles down a little bit. So

1487
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:49,640
Speaker 1: that was one of the changes that I saw over time, right.

1488
01:35:49,720 --> 01:35:52,360
Speaker 1: And I remember talking with Mark Kenyon about this, is

1489
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 1: like he's like, yeah, there's this farmer that I know,

1490
01:35:54,479 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: lets me hunt his place. And he's just like he's

1491
01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:58,640
Speaker 1: just like talk to me for a little bit and

1492
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:00,720
Speaker 1: then I go hunting. But it's seems like every year.

1493
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 1: That's what it is, um, because he doesn't you know,

1494
01:36:03,920 --> 01:36:06,360
Speaker 1: my it doesn't have time. It's for people who don't

1495
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:09,280
Speaker 1: have enough to do. Um. And that's kind of where

1496
01:36:09,320 --> 01:36:11,760
Speaker 1: that all came from. When I was a kid that

1497
01:36:11,880 --> 01:36:14,960
Speaker 1: you didn't go and gun hunting was the thing that

1498
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,680
Speaker 1: we got to do that in November because he kind

1499
01:36:18,680 --> 01:36:21,240
Speaker 1: of got the farm stuff done. Um. When I was

1500
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:24,479
Speaker 1: melking cows here as a as a young man. UM,

1501
01:36:25,400 --> 01:36:27,760
Speaker 1: my deer hunting clothes were my barn clothes with an

1502
01:36:27,760 --> 01:36:31,280
Speaker 1: orange zip up over the top of it. Well read

1503
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 1: because I'm so old that we used to wear red too.

1504
01:36:33,760 --> 01:36:36,240
Speaker 1: But um, and boy, it was the best cover since

1505
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 1: there ever was smelling like a dairy kyle going out there. Um.

1506
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:43,680
Speaker 1: And but seeing a deer was you know, it was unusual.

1507
01:36:44,800 --> 01:36:48,040
Speaker 1: It was unusual is the wrong word. But um, you know,

1508
01:36:48,160 --> 01:36:50,360
Speaker 1: seeing four or five deer on opening day was like, wow,

1509
01:36:50,680 --> 01:36:52,679
Speaker 1: we did really well. And seeing one with an antler,

1510
01:36:52,760 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 1: I was like whoaly moly um. And so that's changed.

1511
01:36:57,000 --> 01:37:00,439
Speaker 1: And but you know, growing up, deer hunting was we

1512
01:37:00,520 --> 01:37:03,040
Speaker 1: would I mean, you know, there was a dairy farm there,

1513
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:04,800
Speaker 1: there was a dairy farm up there, there's dairy farm

1514
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:06,680
Speaker 1: over the here, all of these and they all had

1515
01:37:06,760 --> 01:37:08,600
Speaker 1: kids and they all had to get fed, right, and

1516
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,920
Speaker 1: so deer drives were you know, a part of it too.

1517
01:37:12,200 --> 01:37:14,759
Speaker 1: By the afternoon of the second day of the gun season,

1518
01:37:14,840 --> 01:37:17,160
Speaker 1: the woods were getting shook up. I mean, if you

1519
01:37:17,240 --> 01:37:18,960
Speaker 1: didn't have a gun, you had a pot and a

1520
01:37:19,160 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 1: stick to walk through the woods and drive deer out.

1521
01:37:22,479 --> 01:37:25,479
Speaker 1: That's you know, it's so so there was this sort

1522
01:37:25,520 --> 01:37:28,360
Speaker 1: of this group mentality of hunting and and that certainly

1523
01:37:28,439 --> 01:37:30,320
Speaker 1: has changed. And the other thing is, you know, big

1524
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:35,720
Speaker 1: giant bucks and the value of of um perceived or

1525
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 1: reel of big giant bucks are a part of it too, man.

1526
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 1: And I've been down that road, you know, I mean,

1527
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,240
Speaker 1: you know, we were doing all of that kind of

1528
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:44,519
Speaker 1: stuff and UM and all kind of came to a

1529
01:37:44,600 --> 01:37:49,240
Speaker 1: head when I just got tired of um managing people

1530
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:51,680
Speaker 1: and like there, well, that one was, you know, big

1531
01:37:51,800 --> 01:37:53,679
Speaker 1: enough for whatever I was telling you the story earlier,

1532
01:37:54,280 --> 01:37:56,280
Speaker 1: the night before opening day, I'd sit here on my

1533
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:58,479
Speaker 1: laptop and click through, Well, let's let that one go.

1534
01:37:58,600 --> 01:38:00,280
Speaker 1: He could use another year. And my had to just

1535
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:02,720
Speaker 1: sit back there and go shooter. Every buck that had

1536
01:38:02,720 --> 01:38:04,360
Speaker 1: an antler on it, he would say was a shooter.

1537
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:07,479
Speaker 1: Didn't matter if that was three inches a shooter. UM

1538
01:38:08,920 --> 01:38:12,120
Speaker 1: and so um in what we're doing, what I'm doing

1539
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: here with inviting people in, and I do want to

1540
01:38:15,080 --> 01:38:17,519
Speaker 1: point this out. There's a lot of different ways that

1541
01:38:17,840 --> 01:38:20,680
Speaker 1: people are able to access private land, and one of

1542
01:38:20,720 --> 01:38:24,080
Speaker 1: them that's become pretty big around here is through leasing it.

1543
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:29,800
Speaker 1: And UM, I leased this farm for twelve days to

1544
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:33,479
Speaker 1: four guys for bow hunting because I don't I don't

1545
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:36,839
Speaker 1: do it. UM. And they are or when they started

1546
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:40,519
Speaker 1: five years ago, they were predominantly trophy hunters. I want,

1547
01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:42,080
Speaker 1: we want to come and kill a big giant buck.

1548
01:38:42,680 --> 01:38:46,240
Speaker 1: Now they have, um all killed a big giant buck here.

1549
01:38:46,680 --> 01:38:49,559
Speaker 1: But they've also all learned about chronic wasting disease. They've

1550
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,600
Speaker 1: all learned about herd control. And they come here and

1551
01:38:52,640 --> 01:38:55,479
Speaker 1: they have days like we're having, or weekends like we're

1552
01:38:55,560 --> 01:38:58,519
Speaker 1: having where it's is this outing for them as a family.

1553
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:00,439
Speaker 1: They it's a family, but they all live in different

1554
01:39:00,479 --> 01:39:02,080
Speaker 1: parts of the country. So they come here and here's

1555
01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 1: the place where they come and stay. And of course

1556
01:39:04,479 --> 01:39:08,120
Speaker 1: I entertain them with my wild stories of of whatever.

1557
01:39:08,280 --> 01:39:13,240
Speaker 1: But um and uh. And after that, literally the day

1558
01:39:13,320 --> 01:39:15,639
Speaker 1: after those guys leave, I have friends who are coming

1559
01:39:15,680 --> 01:39:19,320
Speaker 1: in and hunting, and and and Jack, who's the head

1560
01:39:19,360 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: of that group. It's like, I want to get this clear.

1561
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: So we're paying X amount of dollars to come here

1562
01:39:25,040 --> 01:39:27,640
Speaker 1: and hunt, and we're happy to do it because they

1563
01:39:27,720 --> 01:39:29,320
Speaker 1: get first crack at them, right. I mean, they get

1564
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:32,320
Speaker 1: to choose what days are going to hunt. But we're

1565
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:35,600
Speaker 1: leaving tomorrow and other people are coming in. They're not

1566
01:39:35,680 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: paying anything. I just want to settle that in my mind.

1567
01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, but you know what they are doing.

1568
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:44,639
Speaker 1: This is the question that I will I'll ask anyone

1569
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:47,320
Speaker 1: who gets the opportunity to hunt here, what is your

1570
01:39:47,400 --> 01:39:52,040
Speaker 1: contribution to conservation? What are you doing for conservation? Um

1571
01:39:53,160 --> 01:39:55,920
Speaker 1: and uh. In some cases that can get you know,

1572
01:39:56,080 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 1: can get pretty complicated. But one of the fellas that

1573
01:39:59,720 --> 01:40:02,840
Speaker 1: hunt with me here now UM has volunteered for the

1574
01:40:03,240 --> 01:40:07,880
Speaker 1: Wisconsin Conservation Congress. UM. He's actually now the b h

1575
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,360
Speaker 1: A R three coordinator for the state of Wisconsin. UM

1576
01:40:11,920 --> 01:40:14,160
Speaker 1: and so those are the kinds of contributions that that

1577
01:40:14,400 --> 01:40:16,800
Speaker 1: he makes. And he gets the opportunity to hunt this place,

1578
01:40:17,240 --> 01:40:19,080
Speaker 1: and he also happens to come here and help with

1579
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:23,479
Speaker 1: whatever I need, you know, help with UM and uh,

1580
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:26,880
Speaker 1: you know, people get invited here. It's sort of like uh,

1581
01:40:27,280 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: pets of season ticket holder of the green Bay package,

1582
01:40:30,040 --> 01:40:32,519
Speaker 1: but it's sort of like getting green Bay packer tickets

1583
01:40:32,520 --> 01:40:37,679
Speaker 1: season tickets. There's this really long list people ask every year. Obviously,

1584
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,599
Speaker 1: I can't let everyone who UM would like to come

1585
01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:44,280
Speaker 1: hunt here hunt here, but I do maintain a list,

1586
01:40:44,400 --> 01:40:46,640
Speaker 1: and every year a couple of people, you know, get

1587
01:40:46,680 --> 01:40:48,720
Speaker 1: the opportunity to come here and hunt. And so I

1588
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:53,160
Speaker 1: share this place UM with people based on their willingness

1589
01:40:53,840 --> 01:40:57,799
Speaker 1: to make a contribution to conservation. And now we've started

1590
01:40:57,840 --> 01:41:03,479
Speaker 1: this idea called sharing the Land, which we're pitching to

1591
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:08,160
Speaker 1: landowners to have that same mentality of well, let's share

1592
01:41:08,240 --> 01:41:15,120
Speaker 1: this place UM and and because going forward, that's the

1593
01:41:15,240 --> 01:41:18,280
Speaker 1: kind of thing that is going to benefit conservation, it's

1594
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:20,320
Speaker 1: going to benefit the animals that are part of it,

1595
01:41:20,439 --> 01:41:22,439
Speaker 1: and it's going to benefit the land that it's that's

1596
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,599
Speaker 1: happening on, Doug, can you talk about sharing the land

1597
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:29,519
Speaker 1: a bit? So yeah, yeah, yeah, layoff details, man, all right,

1598
01:41:29,600 --> 01:41:31,719
Speaker 1: well I'll lay out the details of sharing the land.

1599
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:36,400
Speaker 1: So Um, as I said, I sort of had this

1600
01:41:36,800 --> 01:41:43,920
Speaker 1: uh revelation epiphany whatever about how I having. Allowing people

1601
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:46,880
Speaker 1: to hunt here has always been a part of of

1602
01:41:47,000 --> 01:41:50,720
Speaker 1: our our tradition, but how you make those decisions is

1603
01:41:50,840 --> 01:41:55,240
Speaker 1: sort of where it came up. Um Ela Leopold Um.

1604
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:01,080
Speaker 1: About the same time he bought the shack and the farm,

1605
01:42:01,160 --> 01:42:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, the famous thing where he wrote San Connie Almanac,

1606
01:42:04,040 --> 01:42:06,080
Speaker 1: UM started working with a group of farmers down in

1607
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:09,479
Speaker 1: this area called Riley, where he and his buddies would

1608
01:42:09,520 --> 01:42:14,720
Speaker 1: go out there and make improvements to a property, conservation

1609
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:20,880
Speaker 1: improvements to a property. And UM, in return they made

1610
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:24,240
Speaker 1: that they did the work of the they brought material in,

1611
01:42:25,080 --> 01:42:29,320
Speaker 1: uh improve the habitat, and in return they got uh

1612
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 1: actually exclusive access to that or uh I don't mean

1613
01:42:34,160 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: exclusive like no one else could hunt it, but they

1614
01:42:36,560 --> 01:42:39,120
Speaker 1: they got permission to hunt that property. Seemed like a

1615
01:42:39,160 --> 01:42:45,639
Speaker 1: really good idea. UM. Eventually, UM died off one because

1616
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 1: Leopold died, but to a little thing called World War

1617
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:50,920
Speaker 1: two was in there. And and then really in those days,

1618
01:42:50,960 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 1: access wasn't really a problem. He literally could knock on

1619
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: doors around here and people allow access. UM. And so

1620
01:42:59,120 --> 01:43:00,920
Speaker 1: you know, a few years ago I started thinking about

1621
01:43:00,960 --> 01:43:04,879
Speaker 1: that more and how UM the experience that as I've

1622
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 1: had of of well, who how do I decide who

1623
01:43:08,479 --> 01:43:11,720
Speaker 1: gets to hunt here? And this thing came the idea of, UM,

1624
01:43:12,640 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 1: what's your contribution to conservation? So we've now formed up.

1625
01:43:17,400 --> 01:43:21,240
Speaker 1: There's a website called Sharing the Land dot com and we're, uh,

1626
01:43:21,439 --> 01:43:25,040
Speaker 1: it's in its infancy. UM. COVID kind of got in

1627
01:43:25,080 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: the way of of doing some of the some of

1628
01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,160
Speaker 1: the things, but UM, there's a group of people that

1629
01:43:30,280 --> 01:43:34,240
Speaker 1: hunt this property. And we're using this to prove the

1630
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:39,479
Speaker 1: concept that we have an agreement in place. UM. We

1631
01:43:39,720 --> 01:43:44,960
Speaker 1: want people to UM put together a conservation resume. If

1632
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,200
Speaker 1: you go on Sharing the Land dot com, you can

1633
01:43:47,240 --> 01:43:51,519
Speaker 1: find a conservation resume builder there UM where you explain

1634
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:56,760
Speaker 1: who you are UM as a someone who's interested in

1635
01:43:56,840 --> 01:44:01,040
Speaker 1: conservation and hunting. The landowners in tune, in turn, are

1636
01:44:01,160 --> 01:44:05,760
Speaker 1: also filling up, filling out a thing called a cooperating

1637
01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:08,640
Speaker 1: land profile, and in there they say, here are the

1638
01:44:09,120 --> 01:44:12,200
Speaker 1: here's here's my place, here are some of the things

1639
01:44:12,280 --> 01:44:16,519
Speaker 1: I need help with, UM, and here's what I have

1640
01:44:16,840 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: that I can offer in return. So it sort of

1641
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:25,719
Speaker 1: takes away that door knocking thing UM. That or letters sending,

1642
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:28,280
Speaker 1: because honestly, I get letters and I look at them

1643
01:44:28,280 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: and they get added to the list. UM. But it's

1644
01:44:33,400 --> 01:44:35,840
Speaker 1: it's it's a little more cohesive that way. And right

1645
01:44:35,920 --> 01:44:40,200
Speaker 1: now we're working on getting UM a number of landowners

1646
01:44:40,280 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 1: in southwest Wisconsin. Looks like we'll have six by the

1647
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,519
Speaker 1: end of the year. UM. We're working with some folks

1648
01:44:45,560 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 1: in northeast Iowa who are really interested in it UM

1649
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:55,040
Speaker 1: and UM hopefully some in South Dakota. UM. And the

1650
01:44:55,240 --> 01:45:00,240
Speaker 1: ideas that we're knocking down those barriers between lando ns

1651
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: and access seekers. And in both cases, people are sort

1652
01:45:03,560 --> 01:45:07,360
Speaker 1: of presenting themselves as they are. Is that big chore

1653
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:09,519
Speaker 1: list you got on that chalkboard in the mud room,

1654
01:45:09,560 --> 01:45:12,120
Speaker 1: there is that the chore list for the people. That's yes,

1655
01:45:12,240 --> 01:45:14,320
Speaker 1: that is a part of it. And most of that

1656
01:45:14,360 --> 01:45:16,880
Speaker 1: stuff is pretty straightforward. We need limbs taken off of

1657
01:45:17,080 --> 01:45:20,840
Speaker 1: my pine trees up there, um, there's some Justice centeral

1658
01:45:20,960 --> 01:45:23,360
Speaker 1: general clean up around here. You know the kids help me,

1659
01:45:23,439 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 1: your kids, you know they are in their keep. They

1660
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:27,479
Speaker 1: came out here and help me with the mushroom. Like

1661
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:33,400
Speaker 1: like timberstand improvement, standing projects, ye, timberstand improvement, Invasive species

1662
01:45:33,479 --> 01:45:39,439
Speaker 1: control um uh man, there's little carpentry projects if you

1663
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:41,400
Speaker 1: have that kind of skills. One of my guys at

1664
01:45:41,439 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 1: him UM has come out here and done uh masonry

1665
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:48,599
Speaker 1: work on the on the barn. He's a mason by trade.

1666
01:45:48,960 --> 01:45:50,840
Speaker 1: He's like, well, okay, I can fix that, can talk

1667
01:45:50,880 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 1: point those rocks that you know, the wild foundation for

1668
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 1: you and stuff. Well, what a great thing. I mean,

1669
01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: we're concerned about the about the barn being here another

1670
01:45:58,200 --> 01:45:59,880
Speaker 1: hundred years. And he's like to take care of that

1671
01:46:00,000 --> 01:46:02,519
Speaker 1: for you and that you know that those are the

1672
01:46:02,680 --> 01:46:05,320
Speaker 1: kinds of things and you know you can walk around here. Hell,

1673
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:07,160
Speaker 1: you can walk around and make a list of another

1674
01:46:07,320 --> 01:46:09,960
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen things. Um. The other part of it

1675
01:46:10,080 --> 01:46:13,280
Speaker 1: is this, I've been talking to some of the groups

1676
01:46:13,360 --> 01:46:19,839
Speaker 1: that offer conservation training, right, so like the Elder Leopold Foundation,

1677
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:26,200
Speaker 1: the Wisconsin Woodland Owners Association, u u W Extension UM

1678
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,200
Speaker 1: and UH one of the things that they offer these

1679
01:46:30,360 --> 01:46:33,519
Speaker 1: landowner days where landowners go and learn about their land

1680
01:46:33,760 --> 01:46:37,760
Speaker 1: and the invasive species control, timberstand improvement and all of that.

1681
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:40,280
Speaker 1: And you go to those things and it's just all

1682
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:43,080
Speaker 1: landowners and they're like, yeah, well who do I, Who

1683
01:46:43,120 --> 01:46:47,840
Speaker 1: do I get to do this work? And so what

1684
01:46:48,120 --> 01:46:51,479
Speaker 1: our plan is to do is to encourage access seekers

1685
01:46:51,520 --> 01:46:55,640
Speaker 1: to also go to those things and learn about conservation practices,

1686
01:46:56,240 --> 01:46:59,759
Speaker 1: to learn about timberstand improvement, to learn about invasive species

1687
01:46:59,840 --> 01:47:02,719
Speaker 1: can roll um and then be able to offer those

1688
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:08,040
Speaker 1: very specific things to a landowner in exchange for the

1689
01:47:08,120 --> 01:47:10,920
Speaker 1: opportunity to to access their property not just for hunting,

1690
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: but for foraging and help to go out for a

1691
01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:16,320
Speaker 1: walk or you know, for skiing, for camping and those

1692
01:47:16,360 --> 01:47:21,200
Speaker 1: sort of things. So you know, there's plenty of opportunity

1693
01:47:21,240 --> 01:47:24,800
Speaker 1: out there to lease property or to do uh, you know,

1694
01:47:24,920 --> 01:47:28,200
Speaker 1: a pay for play but um and I know how

1695
01:47:28,240 --> 01:47:30,799
Speaker 1: that works. And even some of the voluntary public access

1696
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:32,400
Speaker 1: programs and that sort of thing, well you know how

1697
01:47:32,439 --> 01:47:34,760
Speaker 1: that works. The landowner gets paid by the government to

1698
01:47:34,840 --> 01:47:38,720
Speaker 1: open their land up for access. Um. Some of them

1699
01:47:38,800 --> 01:47:41,960
Speaker 1: have some habitat improvement to it. But the people who

1700
01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:46,360
Speaker 1: are accessing aren't doing that. They're probably paying money to

1701
01:47:46,760 --> 01:47:49,600
Speaker 1: uh or they're being paid to do habitat improvements. So

1702
01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:51,200
Speaker 1: then they have to get somebody to do that work.

1703
01:47:51,240 --> 01:47:53,840
Speaker 1: And they're they're they're hiring somebody. So you know, with

1704
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: the with the paper play thing, we know what the

1705
01:47:56,680 --> 01:47:58,920
Speaker 1: landowners getting out of it, and we know what the

1706
01:47:59,000 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 1: access seekers getting out of it. But my question is

1707
01:48:01,520 --> 01:48:04,800
Speaker 1: what's the land getting out of that? So let's tie

1708
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:09,160
Speaker 1: all those things together. So, um, the people who get

1709
01:48:09,360 --> 01:48:12,040
Speaker 1: invited here are one thing. People who get to continue

1710
01:48:12,080 --> 01:48:15,840
Speaker 1: to come back here. Um. And there's it's a there's

1711
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:19,840
Speaker 1: a relationship develops, right, there's a trust that develops and

1712
01:48:20,120 --> 01:48:23,960
Speaker 1: um uh and this is a way of doing you know,

1713
01:48:24,240 --> 01:48:27,120
Speaker 1: of helping people develop that in a very specific way

1714
01:48:27,960 --> 01:48:35,360
Speaker 1: without as much uh as much unknown about it. Um

1715
01:48:35,760 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 1: you know you know how Yeah, I was gonna come

1716
01:48:37,160 --> 01:48:39,840
Speaker 1: home this year. Yeah. Do you think that we could

1717
01:48:39,920 --> 01:48:41,720
Speaker 1: have him go up in the bunk area and try

1718
01:48:41,760 --> 01:48:48,400
Speaker 1: to find all my kids socks? Put on the list.

1719
01:48:49,479 --> 01:48:53,679
Speaker 1: Let me put that on the find Steve's kids ship

1720
01:48:53,880 --> 01:48:56,960
Speaker 1: and mail to the great thing about having a list

1721
01:48:57,080 --> 01:48:58,720
Speaker 1: like that is when you take get to take a

1722
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:00,599
Speaker 1: line and put it through it. You know, That's one

1723
01:49:00,600 --> 01:49:02,560
Speaker 1: of the things about lists is just like you know,

1724
01:49:02,680 --> 01:49:05,320
Speaker 1: crossing stuff off of the list, because there's nothing worse

1725
01:49:05,360 --> 01:49:07,599
Speaker 1: than having a list that nothing ever gets marked off.

1726
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:11,640
Speaker 1: And so what's really cool is this past year I

1727
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:15,080
Speaker 1: invited um, uh several you know, a bunch of new

1728
01:49:15,160 --> 01:49:19,080
Speaker 1: people um to come and and uh and hunt and

1729
01:49:19,240 --> 01:49:21,519
Speaker 1: and folks, I know I got. I mean, I literally

1730
01:49:21,640 --> 01:49:23,360
Speaker 1: have a list of over a hundred and fifty people

1731
01:49:23,360 --> 01:49:26,760
Speaker 1: who have asked for permission to hunt here. Um And

1732
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 1: as I said, they come up. Oh yeah, I mean

1733
01:49:29,120 --> 01:49:31,760
Speaker 1: I know, I keep track of it. It's I just

1734
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:34,240
Speaker 1: get if you're writing them down. It doesn't surprise me. Yeah,

1735
01:49:34,320 --> 01:49:36,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I just I just feel that UM thing.

1736
01:49:36,840 --> 01:49:39,080
Speaker 1: And you know why, I mean, people reach out to me.

1737
01:49:39,160 --> 01:49:41,000
Speaker 1: I try to answer people who reach out to me.

1738
01:49:41,080 --> 01:49:43,800
Speaker 1: And it's because I reached out to a guy once

1739
01:49:44,240 --> 01:49:47,479
Speaker 1: twelve thirteen years ago and he wrote me back. So

1740
01:49:48,080 --> 01:49:50,760
Speaker 1: that's you know, sort of carries forward. But I've been

1741
01:49:51,040 --> 01:49:55,200
Speaker 1: you know, that's how me and dog became buddies. Email, right,

1742
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:58,880
Speaker 1: he wrote me, Yeah, yeah, he reached back out and

1743
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:03,679
Speaker 1: I didn't get many him. I thought it was because

1744
01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:08,479
Speaker 1: it was you know, so heartfelt and touching. Uh it

1745
01:50:08,720 --> 01:50:14,479
Speaker 1: was one but uh yeah, and he you know, and

1746
01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:17,200
Speaker 1: we had this exchange and then my favorite email I

1747
01:50:17,240 --> 01:50:20,360
Speaker 1: ever got from Steves when I said, uh, well, this

1748
01:50:20,479 --> 01:50:22,839
Speaker 1: has been really great because we were like pen pals

1749
01:50:22,880 --> 01:50:26,439
Speaker 1: there for several months, you know, or email pals, and um,

1750
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,080
Speaker 1: I would answer quickly and it would take him a

1751
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:31,680
Speaker 1: while to get back to me, but um. And then

1752
01:50:31,800 --> 01:50:35,280
Speaker 1: I said, wow, this has been great. Um, if you

1753
01:50:35,320 --> 01:50:38,719
Speaker 1: ever want to deer hunt in southwest Wisconsin, I'd welcome

1754
01:50:38,760 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 1: you at the farm. And the response was really question

1755
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:46,679
Speaker 1: mark when question and we figured it out I picked

1756
01:50:46,760 --> 01:50:48,840
Speaker 1: up at the airport on New Year's Day in two

1757
01:50:48,920 --> 01:50:54,240
Speaker 1: thousand and ten. Yeah, so I mean really born, you know,

1758
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,240
Speaker 1: get some credit for this whole thing too, sort of

1759
01:50:56,400 --> 01:50:59,200
Speaker 1: born from that year before I had invited pad out

1760
01:50:59,800 --> 01:51:02,479
Speaker 1: A because he and I had been arguing, So are

1761
01:51:02,840 --> 01:51:06,240
Speaker 1: you know ours is based on this, uh my admiration

1762
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:08,439
Speaker 1: for your writing. And in the case of Pat, I

1763
01:51:08,479 --> 01:51:10,880
Speaker 1: actually really had always admired his articles too, but then

1764
01:51:10,920 --> 01:51:13,439
Speaker 1: he got something wrong and that's when I decided to

1765
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:19,360
Speaker 1: write to him and I corrected him and and I said,

1766
01:51:19,439 --> 01:51:21,840
Speaker 1: you know, I never thought about it like that, and

1767
01:51:21,960 --> 01:51:24,960
Speaker 1: then we ended up getting together. So to me, it's

1768
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:29,960
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I'm always interested in people who are interesting,

1769
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:32,280
Speaker 1: and Yeah, is certainly one of those people. When I

1770
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:35,320
Speaker 1: listened to your podcast and growing up in the period

1771
01:51:35,360 --> 01:51:38,360
Speaker 1: of time that I did, and knowing what what happened

1772
01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:40,600
Speaker 1: in Southeast Asia and with your people and then what

1773
01:51:40,800 --> 01:51:43,560
Speaker 1: you went through to get here, and and you know,

1774
01:51:43,680 --> 01:51:48,240
Speaker 1: just your sort of cheeriness and and telling your story

1775
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:50,600
Speaker 1: and it was just it was wonderful and I was like,

1776
01:51:50,760 --> 01:51:52,519
Speaker 1: I want to meet that guy at Steve Golls. I

1777
01:51:52,640 --> 01:51:57,320
Speaker 1: think I could arrange that. Yeah, it's fantastic so that

1778
01:51:57,439 --> 01:52:00,080
Speaker 1: you know, you can go on sharing the lot and

1779
01:52:00,240 --> 01:52:02,040
Speaker 1: dot com and take a look at what we're doing

1780
01:52:02,160 --> 01:52:05,920
Speaker 1: and understand that two is our year of of you know,

1781
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:10,639
Speaker 1: continuing to build UM. Landowners. I would say that are

1782
01:52:10,720 --> 01:52:14,880
Speaker 1: the harder group to reach, although it's been really gratifying.

1783
01:52:14,960 --> 01:52:19,000
Speaker 1: We were hoping to, you know, have like you know,

1784
01:52:19,160 --> 01:52:21,640
Speaker 1: one and ten persons who reached out to us be

1785
01:52:21,720 --> 01:52:26,640
Speaker 1: a landowner, and it's been more like yeah, yeah, And

1786
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:31,200
Speaker 1: what's been really cool is like consulting Forrester that works

1787
01:52:31,280 --> 01:52:34,400
Speaker 1: for me. When he got the email about inviting him

1788
01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,320
Speaker 1: out here because he happens to be a private landowner

1789
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:38,960
Speaker 1: to come to our kickoff party. He called me and

1790
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:43,320
Speaker 1: he said, Hey, our chapter of Wisconsin woodland Owners Associations

1791
01:52:43,360 --> 01:52:47,120
Speaker 1: had a couple of bad years of getting together because

1792
01:52:47,160 --> 01:52:50,080
Speaker 1: of covid um and we haven't really had an event.

1793
01:52:50,200 --> 01:52:54,599
Speaker 1: Could I invite more people from our chapter? And I'm like, yes,

1794
01:52:54,920 --> 01:52:57,120
Speaker 1: I just need to know if they're coming. And then

1795
01:52:57,160 --> 01:52:58,720
Speaker 1: the other part of it is he said, I have

1796
01:52:58,920 --> 01:53:02,320
Speaker 1: all kinds of ants, a number of clients I should

1797
01:53:02,320 --> 01:53:05,599
Speaker 1: say not all kinds of number of clients who don't hunt,

1798
01:53:05,920 --> 01:53:09,040
Speaker 1: but who need these kinds of things done on on

1799
01:53:09,160 --> 01:53:12,320
Speaker 1: their property. So if you're someone who's looking for access

1800
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:16,439
Speaker 1: on a property, um, you know, bone up on your

1801
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 1: conservation skills. You know, learn what invasive species are and

1802
01:53:20,240 --> 01:53:23,080
Speaker 1: how to control them, and learn about things like timber

1803
01:53:23,160 --> 01:53:26,519
Speaker 1: stand improvement and um, you know, if you learn some

1804
01:53:26,640 --> 01:53:29,360
Speaker 1: carpentering around here, you can learn how to build gates

1805
01:53:29,439 --> 01:53:34,200
Speaker 1: that open and clothes on their own Steve satisfaction, um

1806
01:53:35,240 --> 01:53:37,400
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, just there's just a ton of

1807
01:53:37,520 --> 01:53:39,839
Speaker 1: things to do and and there's a lot of information

1808
01:53:39,920 --> 01:53:42,000
Speaker 1: out there for it. But we want to become a

1809
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:47,840
Speaker 1: central place for that. Doug your great American. Well, that's

1810
01:53:47,920 --> 01:53:51,120
Speaker 1: nice of you to say. I mean that, well, I

1811
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 1: I know you do. Doug Blush, it's great American. Well,

1812
01:54:00,640 --> 01:54:04,479
Speaker 1: great Casanopian doing what I can with what I've got,

1813
01:54:05,840 --> 01:54:14,880
Speaker 1: not Cassanova kas That sounds so exotic, doesn't so people

1814
01:54:14,920 --> 01:54:17,720
Speaker 1: that want I think probably, I don't know at this point,

1815
01:54:17,760 --> 01:54:19,920
Speaker 1: you probably don't need a bunch more dudes calling you

1816
01:54:19,960 --> 01:54:22,880
Speaker 1: who want to do the work you need you need, uh, landowners,

1817
01:54:24,479 --> 01:54:28,920
Speaker 1: if you've got property, what's too small? I think that's

1818
01:54:28,960 --> 01:54:35,680
Speaker 1: really up to them. Um, you know, yeah, forty or

1819
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:38,040
Speaker 1: an eighty or something like that. You got a forty

1820
01:54:39,680 --> 01:54:41,880
Speaker 1: and you wanna you know, you're not interrupt, You don't

1821
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:45,680
Speaker 1: need the you're not looking for, like the couple thousand

1822
01:54:45,720 --> 01:54:48,480
Speaker 1: bucks or whatever. You got stuff you want done to

1823
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:51,120
Speaker 1: the land. You look out there and you're like, sound

1824
01:54:51,240 --> 01:54:56,360
Speaker 1: a bit calls weeds? Yeah, or man would be sweet

1825
01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 1: as someone could go and thin that out. Or I've

1826
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 1: always wanted to plan a whatever the list landowners. It's

1827
01:55:06,080 --> 01:55:09,520
Speaker 1: so interesting to me because I've done land management consulting

1828
01:55:09,560 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 1: and contracting for so long, and I've I've worked with

1829
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,560
Speaker 1: a lot of land new landowners and after about their

1830
01:55:15,600 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 1: first year, the first that it seems like the most

1831
01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:21,040
Speaker 1: common thing they say is man owning a piece of

1832
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 1: properties a lot of work, and like, well, would you

1833
01:55:24,760 --> 01:55:26,320
Speaker 1: like to get a little help with that, here's how

1834
01:55:26,400 --> 01:55:28,840
Speaker 1: you do that. And there's plenty of that going there's

1835
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:31,160
Speaker 1: a lot of that going on out there. I mean,

1836
01:55:31,200 --> 01:55:33,200
Speaker 1: I think, but this gives the template for people who

1837
01:55:33,280 --> 01:55:36,040
Speaker 1: haven't spent their whole life immersed in it. That's exactly right,

1838
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:40,400
Speaker 1: that's exactly right. Um. And you can get like, if

1839
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 1: you're open to having your place hunted, you'd like to

1840
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:47,880
Speaker 1: have some projects, some conservation projects done on your place

1841
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:52,680
Speaker 1: or whatever. And that's the kind of human interaction relationship

1842
01:55:53,080 --> 01:55:56,760
Speaker 1: that is more appealing to you. You can find ways

1843
01:55:57,240 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 1: to get paired up with people at it, individuals who

1844
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: have laid out their credentials, and you can have a

1845
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:11,960
Speaker 1: sort of negotiated Um, they'll partici, they'll work on the

1846
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:18,440
Speaker 1: land with your goals in mine in exchange to do

1847
01:56:18,520 --> 01:56:21,440
Speaker 1: a little hunt. Yeah, and access it in any way,

1848
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:24,560
Speaker 1: um and whatever you agree with. And every landowner can

1849
01:56:24,600 --> 01:56:26,800
Speaker 1: decide how much for how little of that that they're

1850
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:30,880
Speaker 1: they're willing to to do. But it's important for landowners

1851
01:56:30,880 --> 01:56:34,440
Speaker 1: to also be thoughtful and fair about it, you know.

1852
01:56:35,640 --> 01:56:37,800
Speaker 1: M hmm. So thanks for letting me talk about that.

1853
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:41,800
Speaker 1: But it's been my theme, you know, sharing the land

1854
01:56:42,120 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 1: dot com at this point, it is a dot com, yeah,

1855
01:56:47,560 --> 01:56:52,240
Speaker 1: not dot org, right, sharing the land dot com. Shoot

1856
01:56:52,280 --> 01:56:57,920
Speaker 1: dug a note, get get out of some dude is

1857
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 1: on that list. It's just like some of bitch that's

1858
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:04,280
Speaker 1: gotten sucked off by yeah yang Yeah. I mean I'm

1859
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 1: telling you this. There is not there's no unionization of decision,

1860
01:57:07,920 --> 01:57:09,680
Speaker 1: just that. It's just not the next guy moves up.

1861
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:13,040
Speaker 1: It's like completely at my whim. I will say sorry,

1862
01:57:17,160 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 1: but all right, thanks a lot, uh, thank you, Patrick Durgan,

1863
01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:25,240
Speaker 1: thank you. You've got good articles coming up for me either,

1864
01:57:25,320 --> 01:57:29,600
Speaker 1: always good. Tell me the next me with the next thing. Um,

1865
01:57:29,720 --> 01:57:32,040
Speaker 1: let's see the next one. I just turned in one

1866
01:57:32,280 --> 01:57:35,280
Speaker 1: last week on and you can sell pan fish in

1867
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:38,440
Speaker 1: Vermont that you can sell pan fish flats. You can

1868
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:41,240
Speaker 1: send pan fish flas. It's on the meat eater dot

1869
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 1: com right now. How did that come into play? Were

1870
01:57:45,400 --> 01:57:48,160
Speaker 1: there folks who wanted to make a living off that?

1871
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 1: Or what's is this like the first game, you know,

1872
01:57:53,240 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 1: the first fish that you can sell. It's the only

1873
01:57:56,280 --> 01:57:58,800
Speaker 1: state in the country that we know of. I think

1874
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:01,000
Speaker 1: there might be one little spot Tennessee where during the

1875
01:58:01,040 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 1: spring they can sell cropp ease cropy flights. But Vermont

1876
01:58:04,760 --> 01:58:07,560
Speaker 1: it's basically they go to bait shops bringing bringing the

1877
01:58:07,560 --> 01:58:10,640
Speaker 1: fish they don't want and drop off the meat and

1878
01:58:10,760 --> 01:58:14,400
Speaker 1: drop or drop off the fish and that's you know,

1879
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:19,560
Speaker 1: it's been going on for forever. Basically in the article,

1880
01:58:19,560 --> 01:58:22,120
Speaker 1: I gotta go check it out. But what what's the

1881
01:58:22,240 --> 01:58:26,320
Speaker 1: pound of wild caught blue gill flas? Oh god, these days?

1882
01:58:26,440 --> 01:58:33,240
Speaker 1: Um think showed that the article that showed I showed

1883
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Speaker 1: in the article that the one fish if you can

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Speaker 1: do it, if you can catch it and sell it

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Speaker 1: in Vermont, the fish to do it, it's croppy. That

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01:58:39,720 --> 01:58:42,120
Speaker 1: one is way more expensive than gets a lot more

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01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:45,880
Speaker 1: money than than like um salmon does. Basically, Jill, last year,

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Speaker 1: what was funny as hell is? Uh speaking crop eas

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Speaker 1: and turkeys and Doug made me think of this. The

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01:58:51,480 --> 01:58:54,720
Speaker 1: kids tagged out so quick on youth season. Let me

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Speaker 1: go up to the pond up there. Yeah, and we

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01:58:56,760 --> 01:58:59,040
Speaker 1: caught a couple of croppies and Austin not hook into

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Speaker 1: like I don't even know what dragging the boat around

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Speaker 1: huge fish, and I'm just a tussling inviting. The kids

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Speaker 1: are all excited. You know what comes up? Snag a

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Speaker 1: big snapper by the tails. Wow. I mean, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what the last thing I was like

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Speaker 1: that someone like throw some you know, eighty pound flathead

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Speaker 1: and the ducks pond unbeknownst to him, Like it just

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Speaker 1: didn't make any sense what this thing was between river

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Speaker 1: otters and make and not the big snapper. Dude, it

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Speaker 1: was so funny, man, Okay, so tell me so the

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Speaker 1: other one. Yeah, that the article Steve that's got no

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Speaker 1: writing about. In Vermont from March through you're allowed to

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Speaker 1: shoot northern pike and quite a few other fish. You know,

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Speaker 1: they call him cullfish with a with a firearm. So

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Speaker 1: guys will sit out and he's flooded uning areas and

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Speaker 1: it goes back into their history, the Revolutionary War period basically.

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Speaker 1: And it's not many people doing it, but they slip

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Speaker 1: in trees, some just weighed around, and you can shoot

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Speaker 1: him with any gun you want, muzzleloader, handgun, caliber SI

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Speaker 1: rigby if you want to, or whether it be I mean, dude,

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Speaker 1: my kid, this would be like the thing that he

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Speaker 1: found most interesting all the planet. Yeah, what's funny. I

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Speaker 1: would satisfy like everything he's interested in, But shooting guns

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Speaker 1: and the whole thing about what it takes because they

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Speaker 1: don't shoot the fish. They don't aim to shoot in

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Speaker 1: the head or in the in the vitals. They shoot

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Speaker 1: off the side underneath it the concussion. So I got

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Speaker 1: into the whole thing about what, why, why, or why

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Speaker 1: vibration through water is so deadly. So I got a

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Speaker 1: little bit of that in the article too. Good man,

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Speaker 1: this story starts making great, but it's just it's just

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Speaker 1: mentioned your kiddle. What's fascinating about they've been thinking now

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Speaker 1: that they've tried, and the more time to kill the

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Speaker 1: season off out in Vermont, you know, the fishing game

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Speaker 1: department the season and they don't like it. They don't

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Speaker 1: They just would like it to be done with because

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Speaker 1: it's just it's just shoot sends They think it sends

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Speaker 1: the wrong message. You know, you're shooting in the water,

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Speaker 1: and you teach everyone don't shoot in the water, while

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Speaker 1: here you're shooting in the water. But I would think

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Speaker 1: the message it would send is that that you can

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Speaker 1: shoot fish in the water. Like I feel that that's

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Speaker 1: the message, the wrong message, for the message that you

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Speaker 1: can shoot fish in the water. But it was what

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Speaker 1: I found. I think, um, I think that many love

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Speaker 1: the article with this whole point was that for for

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Speaker 1: decades or you know, for many decades, they kept thinking

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Speaker 1: this is not die out. You know, back when they

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Speaker 1: first read about when I first found articles about from

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Speaker 1: the nineteen seventies and early eighties, they're talking about the

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Speaker 1: current generation when they age out, this will go with them.

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Speaker 1: They think it's a dying activity. Well, here we are

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Speaker 1: fifty years later, and now I'm the old guys. Might

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Speaker 1: people my age of the old guys doing it, but

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Speaker 1: they're what they're finding is that there's a young kids.

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Speaker 1: What they need to do is find out about it.

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Speaker 1: Any kid in America with the gun and said, oh,

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Speaker 1: if you feel like it and you want to wander

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Speaker 1: around out there in the light at night, you see

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Speaker 1: a fish, go ahead and shoot it. Yeah, and then

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Speaker 1: the kid. So it's basically a few kids doing it,

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Speaker 1: and then then they then they kind of go away

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Then late in life becomes a

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Speaker 1: thing like well my grandfather could do this, his grandfather

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Speaker 1: could do it. We're gonna keep doing it and it

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Speaker 1: becomes a rights issue. And this one guy I talked to,

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Speaker 1: an interviewed for the article, pointed out that so, you know,

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Speaker 1: in recent decades we've had a big, big movement in

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Speaker 1: our country. I have a constitutional right to hunt and

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Speaker 1: fish in Wisconsin, the constitutional right the hunt, whatever state

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Speaker 1: it might be, he says, Vermont put that in their

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Speaker 1: constitution in like seventeen ninety whenever it was they formed

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Speaker 1: the state constitution, and in Vermont it was a right

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Speaker 1: to hunting fish was part of their constitution. So anytime

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Speaker 1: you mess with that, now you're messing with your history.

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Speaker 1: And it gets real contentious when they try to get

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Speaker 1: rid of rid of anything. So good for them. Great story,

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Speaker 1: that's great, alright. Check out Durgan's articles the Meat dot Com,

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Speaker 1: check out Yeah Yang, he'll be hearing a gun show

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Speaker 1: and Dougs Farm. Yeah thanks everybody. Yeah,