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Speaker 1: we officially mourn the Jets, Aaron Rodgers, the implications of

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Speaker 1: couple of you are one year wonders, So signing this contract,

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Speaker 1: you're not actually getting screwed. I'm sorry, you're gonna get

427
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Speaker 1: no sympathy for me. The Chris Jones thing I found

428
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Speaker 1: complicated because he was right there with Nick Bosey, could

429
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Speaker 1: have been the defensive player of the year. He was

430
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Speaker 1: the best defensive player for a team that won the

431
00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 1: Super Bowl and their defense was really good. But his

432
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:20,880
Speaker 1: contract was about to end and he was making essentially

433
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Speaker 1: twenty million dollars, So technically was he underpaid one hundred percent?

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Speaker 1: But I think the Chiefs were in somewhat of a

435
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Speaker 1: precarious situation because anytime you're signing a guy to a

436
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,080
Speaker 1: third contract, it makes teams nervous. Right for the most part,

437
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,160
Speaker 1: teams want to sign their quarterback to third contracts most

438
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: of the other players. That's usually when you transition. And

439
00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:44,080
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs, who have a very good track record,

440
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,080
Speaker 1: right the reason they traded Tyreek Hill is because they

441
00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:49,840
Speaker 1: couldn't afford everybody. They would not have been able to

442
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Speaker 1: afford their squad the way it currently constructed with Tyreek

443
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,199
Speaker 1: Hill making what he got, so they had to trade him.

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Speaker 1: You don't think they realized how awesome he was. I mean,

445
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,280
Speaker 1: they're idiots. They knew what they were trading. Hell, I'm

446
00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,879
Speaker 1: a little shocked that he's tried as hard as he.

447
00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,000
Speaker 1: I almost underestimated him, Like I have actually more respect

448
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:10,679
Speaker 1: for him. Not that I thought he was gonna go

449
00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 1: be like Antonio Brown when he went to the Raiders,

450
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Speaker 1: but I just I didn't know exactly what was gonna

451
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Speaker 1: look like. And I feel like he's trying harder. He's

452
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,520
Speaker 1: trying to up his legacy. I got nothing but respect

453
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Speaker 1: for Tyreek Hill. But I understand this situation was a

454
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: little complicated, but the Chiefs clearly weren't budgeted and they

455
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:30,359
Speaker 1: weren't gonna break down, and Chris Jones ultimately lost. Right, Like,

456
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,120
Speaker 1: it's not like he got a huge raise. They essentially

457
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Speaker 1: incentivized the fines in which they are legally obligated to

458
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 1: find him back. So he's gonna make about twenty four

459
00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: to twenty five million dollars if he hits his incentives. Well,

460
00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 1: he was scheduled to make nineteen five and he got

461
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 1: fined three and a half million dollars. So the two

462
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Speaker 1: mafia guys he was sitting with at the game, I

463
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Speaker 1: don't know what was actually accomplished, Like, what did you

464
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Speaker 1: guys get out of this? Maybe you avoided injuries in

465
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Speaker 1: training camp, but you missed a game where the incentives

466
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:03,679
Speaker 1: I'm sure we're on the table that he would have

467
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 1: been able to hit and then be closer to his

468
00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,760
Speaker 1: twelve and fifteen and a half sack totals. So I

469
00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: think this was just poorly executed and it was dumb,

470
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 1: like some business moves backfire, and we've seen him in

471
00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,439
Speaker 1: the history of the league, guys get rewarded for, you know,

472
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Speaker 1: standing strong. I remember being a kid, Emmitt Smith was like,

473
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Speaker 1: I'm holding out. I want to raise Jerry's like no chance.

474
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Speaker 1: Then the Cowboys went on in two and Emmitt got

475
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Speaker 1: his race this situation, the Chiefs went on and one

476
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Speaker 1: are like, guys, we've been in three Super Bowls the

477
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Speaker 1: last five years. We're not losing that much sleep. We

478
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Speaker 1: want you to be here willing to incentivize. But if

479
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Speaker 1: you think we're gonna throw ninety million dollars at you, like,

480
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, buddy, We'll see a week eight. And I

481
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,919
Speaker 1: think they knew like that they were fucking with two guys,

482
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Speaker 1: Andy and Veach that weren't gonna flinch and Kats Like,

483
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 1: my advice to Chris Jones is like, this is why

484
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: you get Cia, this is why you get Drew Rosenhaus.

485
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Speaker 1: They typically don't make these stupid decisions because you have

486
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Speaker 1: a big year, you're only twenty eight, twenty nine years old.

487
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,720
Speaker 1: You'll break the bank again. You'll get a three year,

488
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 1: fully guaranteed one hundred million dollars. Were they franchise Tag

489
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,679
Speaker 1: yet and trade you for a huge contract. So I

490
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 1: think we have to acknowledge sometimes with these with these

491
00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: holdouts in the NFL, they're not all equal. Some of

492
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: them work and that they have huge financial winfalls for

493
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: the players, and some of them are moronic and have consequences.

494
00:25:35,119 --> 00:25:38,639
Speaker 1: And this one clearly like was a waste of time.

495
00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,520
Speaker 1: Jason Peters, I've talked about this before, but when I

496
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Speaker 1: was in the NFL, there were very very strict rules

497
00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: about the practice squad. It was kind of like the

498
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: old red shirt rules in college football that once you played,

499
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Speaker 1: like if you were a young player and you were

500
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Speaker 1: on a crappy team and you end up playing six

501
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Speaker 1: or seven regular season games, your practice squad eligibile. He

502
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 1: disappeared and so many players kind of washed out of

503
00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 1: the NFL. You know, they changed this rule I think

504
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: during the twenty twenty season because it was all on

505
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: a whack, But previously it limited a lot of guys' careers,

506
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:17,680
Speaker 1: and they basically just threw out every limitation to get

507
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Speaker 1: on a practice squad. There aren't any you could be

508
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 1: Tom Brady could be on a practice squad. Jason Peters

509
00:26:22,840 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: is forty one years old. He's a nine time pro bowler,

510
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 1: forty one years old. Seattle put him on the practice squad,

511
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,600
Speaker 1: and clearly they're doing that because they don't want to

512
00:26:32,600 --> 00:26:34,600
Speaker 1: mess with their roster yet they don't know quite their

513
00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 1: injury situations, and it's an easy way to get a

514
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,160
Speaker 1: look at a player in practice. Now. I think part

515
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Speaker 1: of it is, you know, owners, previously, the money has

516
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:48,760
Speaker 1: dramatically jumped, So paying guys ten thousand dollars for the

517
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 1: week is like me and you paying a guy five

518
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: dollars to take out our trash. I mean, it means

519
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 1: nothing to these guys where previously, you know, when the

520
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,960
Speaker 1: league wasn't quite as profitable as it is now, throws

521
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:05,960
Speaker 1: that up and now nobody cares and this is just

522
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,120
Speaker 1: a good life lesson. Money's all relative, and the more

523
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Speaker 1: money you make, it's amazing the things you'll do that

524
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 1: when you previously didn't have the money, you would have

525
00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: thrown up in your mouth even thinking about it. And

526
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,919
Speaker 1: this is a good example of that because it didn't

527
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:25,000
Speaker 1: just expand strictly. It had to do the COVID year

528
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,120
Speaker 1: because everything was so weird. But the reason they didn't

529
00:27:27,160 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: go back is they realized, like, what were we really

530
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: arguing over? Who actually cares? These rules were archaic and

531
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: we don't even notice this money missing. And so I'm

532
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,679
Speaker 1: glad that the practice squad rules allow stuff like this

533
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,200
Speaker 1: to happen. And I give Jason Peters a lot of credit.

534
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 1: I was around him when I was with the Eagles

535
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: in the peak of his powers. He's you know he

536
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: was when I first got there, he was like Trent Williams.

537
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 1: I mean, he was the best left tackle. He was

538
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 1: a freak. I mean, he was an elite player. And obviously,

539
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: at forty one years old, he's nowhere near the same guy.

540
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 1: He's a little bigger now, but the guy likes football. Man,

541
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: he likes football, and he can still play a little bit.

542
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:04,960
Speaker 1: So props with him for keep going strong. Cam Hayward,

543
00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 1: a guy that was on this podcast in the offseason,

544
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: just you know, one of the highest character, you know,

545
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:13,679
Speaker 1: potential Man of the Year in the NFL and one

546
00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: of the star warts for the Steelers, I mean countless

547
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: team you know, years in a row, team captain, just

548
00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:23,360
Speaker 1: an all out stud is having surgery. I saw Tomlin

549
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: acknowledged it. You know, I don't know if he tore

550
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,639
Speaker 1: or just has something wrong, bad injury to the growing

551
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: And that sucks. A big Cam Hayward fan fan of

552
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 1: the Steelers, I mean, I'm rooting for them to be good.

553
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 1: I picked him to win the North. They got Dante Johnson,

554
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: he's out for a while, you got Hayward out, I

555
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:45,680
Speaker 1: got Canny Pickett looking like a scrub. I'm a little

556
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 1: nervous now. I don't know, like, are the Browns just

557
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: gonna maintain it? I like the Steelers this week for sure,

558
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: when in terms of gambling, I'll promise you they're gonna

559
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,720
Speaker 1: throw the kitchen sink at him. But I you know, weekend,

560
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,520
Speaker 1: some injuries what I saw, I'm not saying there were gutless,

561
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,720
Speaker 1: but God at home getting shoved around like that, and

562
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:05,280
Speaker 1: if your quarterback plays average, they'd be in trouble and

563
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: they'd be in trouble fast. So I'm not jumping off

564
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,120
Speaker 1: the Steelers bandwagon, but I'm for sure not as confident

565
00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: as I was, you know, eight days ago in last

566
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,640
Speaker 1: but not least, the NFL they didn't release the numbers,

567
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: but they I think they put it on a press

568
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: release or I saw Florio wrote it that so far

569
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: the YouTube TV ticket, the NFL package that's on YouTube TV,

570
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 1: has flown by the direct TV in terms of subscriptions.

571
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 1: And I do think a big reason it's twofold one.

572
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:39,080
Speaker 1: It's so easy to get. Right. So many people now,

573
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Speaker 1: even if you aren't a streamer, like you still have

574
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Speaker 1: cable boxes, which I understand depending on where you live

575
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:49,280
Speaker 1: the Internet, some people, right, they still have the ability

576
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: to stream, and it's so easy. And that was so seamless,

577
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 1: and so many people And on number two, like a

578
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,360
Speaker 1: lot of US stream and a lot of US use

579
00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: YouTube TV, so it was literally just one button and

580
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: it could not have been any easier. And like I said,

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Speaker 1: when I turned on my TV on Sunday morning, I

582
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,640
Speaker 1: realized I haven't I don't even have red zone. Well

583
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: back in the day with a cable provider. You have

584
00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: to call, you have to figure it out. I went

585
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 1: to my computer, I pressed one button and boom, Red

586
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: Zone popped up on my television and then through the

587
00:30:17,080 --> 00:30:20,720
Speaker 1: NFL ticket, it creates all these boxes, right. It gives

588
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: you all the different combinations of the games going on.

589
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 1: It also gives you combinations like three and four boxes,

590
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: some with red Zone and three games. It's incredible. And

591
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: they're not even like they still have ability to improve

592
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: the product like this is. They're only scratching the surface.

593
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 1: You don't figure it out on day one. And the

594
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Speaker 1: thing I know with these tech companies is their ability

595
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,360
Speaker 1: to change on the fly. This isn't It could look

596
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 1: differently by October first than it does today. So I'm

597
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: very pleased. I thought, I said, I gave it an

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Speaker 1: A minus. The only reason I didn't just give it

599
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,400
Speaker 1: an A because you know you can't pick the boxes yet.

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Speaker 1: You know that's coming. But for being week one of

601
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 1: you know what I was looking for. I was pleased.

602
00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:10,840
Speaker 1: And the seamlessness of being able to use it, and

603
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: I do believe this more and more. I just got

604
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,080
Speaker 1: my house that I'm remodeling basically hardwired. It's not cheap.

605
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: But I had this guy basically hardwire my entire house.

606
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 1: So because I'm gonna stream all my TV's, I'm gonna

607
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: be on YouTube TV, and I'm hardwiring all the televisions

608
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 1: and a lot like you know, a podcasters. So I

609
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: want to hard have hardwire the Internet in multiple rooms.

610
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Speaker 1: But I'm excited to see how that turns out because

611
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 1: i haven't had any issues in the office I'm sitting

612
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: in and I just used the Wi Fi. So once

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00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: you hardwire it, I highly recommend it now. And I

614
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: would imagine that's a service that will become much more cheap,

615
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: you know, just much more consumer friendly in terms of

616
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 1: the price point over the years. Right, just like televisions

617
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty years ago, big screen TV was very expensive.

618
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Speaker 1: Now you can go to Costco get like a seventy

619
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 1: inch er for like six hundred bucks. I'm telling you,

620
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: the most like the thing that has been the most

621
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: inflation proof I feel over the years. And this was

622
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: well before things got out of hand. The last couple

623
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 1: of years has just been televisions. They've constantly gone down

624
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:17,360
Speaker 1: in prices, and then you go to Target, you go

625
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: to Costco, you can just get I mean, I'm gonna

626
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: buy an eighty five inch TV for like nine hundred

627
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:25,440
Speaker 1: dollars a target. How do you beat that? I mean,

628
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: I remember being a kid, like the late nineties, people

629
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: paying thousands of dollars for this thing that looked the

630
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,200
Speaker 1: size of a suburban. It was massive, and look back,

631
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:37,720
Speaker 1: it wasn't even that clear. So I'm pretty sure the

632
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: guy my dad worked for, we used to go to

633
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Speaker 1: his house. He was the only guy I knew in

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Speaker 1: town that had a big screen TV. The thing was

635
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 1: as big as a van. It was huge. I'm pretty

636
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: sure at the time this would have been like late nineties,

637
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: it was like ten thousand dollars and it wasn't even

638
00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: that great equality. It was just cool because it was big.

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Speaker 1: restrictions apply Okay, let's bang out some questions from Aaron Middlecoff.

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Speaker 1: Question for the bag. I'm a big fan of Herbert,

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Speaker 1: am amazed each time I catch a Chargers game. I've

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Speaker 1: started to get concerned with a trend and was curious

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Speaker 1: if you thought it was valid. In college, he had

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Speaker 1: by far the most talented team in the Pac twelve,

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Speaker 1: but always blue games against inferior opponents that cost them

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Speaker 1: a shot at the playoff. He had a Rose Bull MVP,

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Speaker 1: but other than that, his college career was super talented guy,

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Speaker 1: super talented team, some success, some important games. I feel

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Speaker 1: like that's a trend. Top five talent roster for a

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Speaker 1: couple of years he has shown his crazy talent, but

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00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:09,959
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be a winner, or at least not yet.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a stately guy, but also thought Zach Taylor

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Speaker 1: kind of sucked, but that didn't seem to affect Burrow

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Speaker 1: from winning. Do you think this is a valid trend? Well,

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Speaker 1: let me just push back on the Oregon thing. Oregon historically,

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Speaker 1: I would say, since really, since they got good like

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Speaker 1: late nineties, early two thousands with Joey Harrington up until

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Speaker 1: now has always had really good skill guys NFL running backs,

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Speaker 1: skilled wide receivers, NFL tight ends. When Herbert was there,

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Speaker 1: they actually were not that talented. They did not have

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Speaker 1: I don't think an NFL running back or tight end

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Speaker 1: his junior senior year right the talent that they have now,

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Speaker 1: and obviously with Chip was far superior. Like the guys

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Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota played with were much better now. I think

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Speaker 1: he's a better player in the pros than he was

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Speaker 1: in college. I won't argue with that because he's putting

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Speaker 1: up the numbers right, like he played winning football in

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Speaker 1: the game the other day. And this gets back to

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Speaker 1: I'll defend Rodgers a little bit for some of the

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Speaker 1: playoff games, not the Niner game two years ago, but like,

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Speaker 1: if he's putting up twenty eight to thirty points, you

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Speaker 1: gotta play defense. And here's what I'll say about Zach Taylor.

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Speaker 1: Zach Taylor is a former quarterback, like knows the offense,

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Speaker 1: can coach, the offense, calls the plays. Herbert and think

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Speaker 1: about Zach Taylor's a good example, not the other the

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Speaker 1: day against the Browns, but the last couple of years.

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Speaker 1: Their defense is really good. They have good defensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: they have had good defensive players. The Chargers defense, I

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Speaker 1: mean it should have good results because they got Joey Bosa,

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Speaker 1: It's got Derwin James b had Eric Hendricks, who's a

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Speaker 1: little long in the tooth but still solid. You know,

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Speaker 1: they trade for Khalil Mack, they signed J. C. Jackson,

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Speaker 1: who got hurt. Now he's not any good, but they

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Speaker 1: just don't. It doesn't really come to fruition. They had

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Speaker 1: a stretch last year where they were good on defense,

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Speaker 1: but then in the playoff game the second half they

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Speaker 1: shit down their leg. To me, the number one thing

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Speaker 1: to watch with the defensive coordinator because ultimately, if I

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Speaker 1: got Micah Parsons or TJ. Watt or Nick Bosa, for example,

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Speaker 1: Miles Garrett, that guy at the highest level, if he's

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Speaker 1: in his prime playing well, can get fifteen sacks on

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Speaker 1: the worst team. I saw Khalil Mack become the defensive

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Speaker 1: player of the year on a unit that was terrible.

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Speaker 1: And what Ken Norton Junior was his defensive coordinator. But

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Speaker 1: he was such an elite player that they're like, you

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Speaker 1: can't stop him. But to me, even if you give

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Speaker 1: up yards, do guys know where to go? And sometimes

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Speaker 1: it feels like people don't really know what they're doing.

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Speaker 1: It definitely felt like that in the playoff game for Staley,

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Speaker 1: So listen, it is Herbert the perfect player, of course not,

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Speaker 1: but Brandon Staley right now in the defense is a

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Speaker 1: major major issue. Like they have a playoff level offense.

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Speaker 1: I think we all agree with that, and he has

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Speaker 1: nothing to do with Herbert, but he does call the

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Speaker 1: defense and they constantly like listen. I'd even argue it's

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Speaker 1: more understandable for Tyreek Hill, one of the great players

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Speaker 1: of all time, to kick your ass than it was

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Speaker 1: deep plays. Question for the bag do the Jets end

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Speaker 1: up taking a big swing and trading for Kyler Murray?

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Speaker 1: If the defense can hold up they end up going

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Speaker 1: four and two over the first four games. Could you

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Speaker 1: hopes of having a better quarterback play and making a

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Speaker 1: solid run of the playoffs. This is what I talked

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Speaker 1: about earlier. Here's the problem. That was a name I

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Speaker 1: didn't think of. They're gonna take Kyler's contract, Well, unless

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Speaker 1: Rogers retires, they still have his contract too. You know,

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Speaker 1: I would assume as we sit here on Tuesday that

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Speaker 1: to come back. And what if he does. You can't

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Speaker 1: have two cracks making that much money. So I don't

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Speaker 1: even think it's an option gambling question. Do you prefer

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna bet on the Arizona Cardinals. And it's the

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Speaker 1: So if you love, let's just pick a game this

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Speaker 1: I think the Giants beat the shit out of them.

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Speaker 1: You just put whatever your unit is US five hundred bucks,

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Speaker 1: So if you want to just sprinkle a ten dollars

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Speaker 1: I also think Week two is a good week to

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Speaker 1: kind of go back against the grain, right, a lot

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Speaker 1: That's probably when I stay away from forty nine Ers rams.

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Speaker 1: It was incredible. That was awesome. Thank you Plax. I

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Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne had to leap and had both of his

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00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,640
Speaker 1: arm extended. It was really high. Maybe I'm over exaggerating that,

851
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: but when I watched that live, he not only overthrew him,

852
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:08,719
Speaker 1: Kendrick Bourne had to be Kevin Garnett and still went

853
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,399
Speaker 1: over his head. So I'm gonna disagree a little bit there.

854
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: And I also gave him his flowers. I said he

855
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: played well after that moment. My thing with Mac is

856
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 1: for him to be the Kirk Cousins of the NFL.

857
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,080
Speaker 1: And that's why Kyle Shanahan, for example, liked him and

858
00:44:24,120 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 1: had to be talked out of taking him at number

859
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: three overall, which is crazy to even think about, is

860
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,120
Speaker 1: because he thought he could be like that. And when

861
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: I watch Mac Jones, I watch a guy who has

862
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: moments like that, which he did during the Eagles right

863
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 1: plays in rhythm, is accurate, and then I watch guy

864
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:43,200
Speaker 1: who also turns into this like thinks he's a playmaker

865
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: and tries to make these miraculous things happen, not necessarily

866
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:48,919
Speaker 1: on that play but he did it a lot last

867
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,840
Speaker 1: year and he doesn't have that ability. That's my only pushback.

868
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 1: I don't think Mac is like Zach Wilson. It was

869
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,959
Speaker 1: Trey Lance. I don't think he's like some unplayable guy.

870
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,200
Speaker 1: I just fundamentally believe. And I even finish your question

871
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: here is when you take Mac Jones and Kenny Pickett

872
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 1: in the top twenty, I just think that's crazy. I

873
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: would never do that, even if I need a quarterback,

874
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 1: because historically those guys with those physical characteristics hit later

875
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:22,040
Speaker 1: in the draft. So I don't really know what we're arguing.

876
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:24,839
Speaker 1: I guess I believe with a full season, just as

877
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: a functional coordinator in Billy Oh, he will improve and

878
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 1: be a top fifteen quarterback. My overall take with Mac

879
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: is like if he peaks right, if he ever reaches

880
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: his ceiling, his peak is like fifteen fourteen, fifteen, and

881
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: I can never take a quarterback. And I'd say the

882
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 1: same about Kenny Pickett. I can never take a first

883
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: round quarterback if that's their ceiling, I can't do it.

884
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: So that's why I judge Mack the way I do.

885
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,879
Speaker 1: If Mac was like a third round pick, I would

886
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: view him differently. You drafted him fifteenth overall after four years.

887
00:45:57,800 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: Still love the pod. Just listen to your take on

888
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:02,839
Speaker 1: the Rogers injury. I'm bummed. I have tickets to watch

889
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: the Jets at the Cowboys this weekend. I'm taking my

890
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 1: son and daughter. I bought these tickets because I wanted

891
00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:10,200
Speaker 1: to be able to say I saw Aaron Rodgers play

892
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,360
Speaker 1: in person before he retires, and to give my kids

893
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 1: that memory. And now I'll never have the chance. That's sad,

894
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: it really is. That was a sad text message. I've

895
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,240
Speaker 1: seen him a couple of times, and he's pretty awesome.

896
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: I saw Rogers make the best play I've ever seen

897
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 1: in person. It would have been twenty thirteen, probably Candlestick

898
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: against the Niners Week one. He rolled out to his

899
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: left and this was like peak of the harbaughd defense,

900
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: and he threw the ball to Jordan Nelson, who made

901
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:44,520
Speaker 1: this acrobatic sideline toe tapping catch across his body on

902
00:46:44,560 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 1: a string. I feel like it was forty yards on

903
00:46:47,600 --> 00:46:50,240
Speaker 1: a rope to his left. Obviously he's a right handed

904
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 1: quarterback rolling out. I think it was running pretty fast.

905
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: It was. It's the most jaw dropping play I've ever seen.

906
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,560
Speaker 1: Live Michael. Pick six wasn't on Mac. It hit Bourne

907
00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: in the hands and the fumble was on Zeke. Mac

908
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: outplayed Kenny Pickett, Daniel Jones, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen, Gino Smith,

909
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: and Joe Burrow on Sunday, facing an elite defense, he

910
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: made a lot of plays. I stand by it. It

911
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: was not a good throw, it was not an accurate throw.

912
00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:20,239
Speaker 1: He didn't hit Kendrick Bourne in stride. Kendrick Bourne had

913
00:47:20,280 --> 00:47:23,120
Speaker 1: to jump and hit off his hands, and it was

914
00:47:23,160 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: a pick six and ultimately was the difference in the game. Like,

915
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,920
Speaker 1: part of my issue with mac Jones is like I

916
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:32,640
Speaker 1: don't trust him in the weather. So part of being

917
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: a good Patriot quarterback, as all you Patriot fans know,

918
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:39,800
Speaker 1: you have to be a good cold weather, bad weather,

919
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:44,800
Speaker 1: inclement weather player, right think where you play four or

920
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:49,319
Speaker 1: five games at home post November first, at Buffalo, at

921
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: New York AFC playoff games. I don't trust him there.

922
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 1: I just don't. And that moment it was raining, the

923
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: ball came slippery out of his hands. Tom Brady one

924
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 1: of his great attributes thrived in the weather, dominated in

925
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: the weather. After watching Josh Allen blow the game, against

926
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 1: Rogers less Jets. I think the Raiders may have a

927
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: chance of beating them in Buffalo on Sunday. The Dolphins

928
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: look like they have a great chance to win the

929
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:17,600
Speaker 1: AFC East. Sorry for the weird emojis. I don't know

930
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:20,400
Speaker 1: what the hell happened. He basically has hard emojis around

931
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:25,440
Speaker 1: his question. If the Raiders go to Buffalo and beat

932
00:48:25,480 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: the Bills, I think it's like def Con three in Buffalo.

933
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,160
Speaker 1: That would be a disaster. You're telling me one, you

934
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,839
Speaker 1: lose to a Roger list Jets for the entire game,

935
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. I know he didn't beat you, but he

936
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:41,239
Speaker 1: kind of did. He was basically the starting quarterback the

937
00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:45,320
Speaker 1: entire game. And then you lose the Raiders at home,

938
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: that'd be bad. And then if that happened with the Raiders,

939
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,319
Speaker 1: I think we'd have to take the Raiders. Could they

940
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:52,560
Speaker 1: make the wild Card? Could they compete for the division?

941
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,719
Speaker 1: I would never pick him over Kansas City. But you know,

942
00:48:56,800 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: are they an eleven win team? Because you know I

943
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:01,000
Speaker 1: can see the Chiefs. You know twelve wins, you know

944
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:03,319
Speaker 1: they're not going to be a fifteen win team. So

945
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: if if you start two and zher and you haven't

946
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: even any home games. Let's sleep on the Raiders. Do

947
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:14,120
Speaker 1: the Jets call Carson Wentz? Well? Joe Douglas was in

948
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,720
Speaker 1: Philadelphia during the Carson Wentz era, so a huge reason

949
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:22,160
Speaker 1: Carson Wentz is not employed by the NFL. And I've

950
00:49:22,200 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 1: I've actually received some dms with some inside information about him.

951
00:49:26,600 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 1: Let's just say, it's not like the film. It's not

952
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,960
Speaker 1: the playing quarterback ability. I actually saw RG three say

953
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 1: something today got retweeted into my timeline about the reason

954
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,399
Speaker 1: some guys are not in the NFL isn't because they

955
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: can't play in the NFL. It's because they're distractions. And

956
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,759
Speaker 1: he's right right, you can't be as famous as let's

957
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: say Cam Newton and be a backup quarterback, which is

958
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,399
Speaker 1: not gonna work. Coaches don't want to deal with it.

959
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,959
Speaker 1: He's one d percent right. I'm not maybe Cam Newton

960
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: at this point it isn't good enough. But once his

961
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: start arding reign was over, his career was kind of over.

962
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:06,480
Speaker 1: And I think the same thing for Carson Wentz. If

963
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: you can't don't view him as a starter, teams don't

964
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: want him in the quarterback room. And that's really more

965
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: of an indictment on him than it is on like

966
00:50:15,160 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 1: just his play, because his play is not terrible, it's

967
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:20,600
Speaker 1: not now, it's not great. Hell. I mean, look how

968
00:50:20,640 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: many average to below average quarterbacks are hanging on in

969
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: the NFL. So I would be stunned if Joe Douglas,

970
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,000
Speaker 1: a former Eagle, messed with Carson Wentz. And this is

971
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: what I keep getting back to. There are times in

972
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 1: sports where you are just screwed, and I think this

973
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 1: is one of them. And that's what made last night

974
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:50,960
Speaker 1: such a powerful thing to experience because we all knew it. Like,

975
00:50:51,080 --> 00:50:54,879
Speaker 1: there are no outs, there are no contingency plans, there

976
00:50:54,880 --> 00:51:01,279
Speaker 1: are no traits. You're just fucked. Maria, my girlfriend kept

977
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: asking me, like, why is this. They can't do anything.

978
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,759
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, they can't do anything. They're all in.

979
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,040
Speaker 1: They gave him a first round pick, they owe a

980
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: second round pick, they owe them a bunch of money.

981
00:51:11,880 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: You know, they're just they're in. They're in the boat

982
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: with them. They're out in the middle of the sea

983
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: and they don't have a paddle. Now, now they's got

984
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: to hope some of the waves lead them to shore.

985
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:25,280
Speaker 1: Look at the broncos I keep hearing this Sean Payton

986
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 1: will not have the patience for Russell Wilson, and that's

987
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: probably true. I bet he's a month away from Like,

988
00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: I can't stand coaching this guy. But what are they

989
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,839
Speaker 1: gonna do? Benjam Okay? His money and his impact on

990
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: the salary cap, there is no changing man. And this

991
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:47,480
Speaker 1: is not major League Baseball. His salary an impact over

992
00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: the next several years is something you can't shake. You

993
00:51:51,160 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 1: are stuck with that. He's not a tradable player. So like,

994
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,799
Speaker 1: there are certain things like it is what it is,

995
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 1: and that's kind of Rogers situation. It's like, it is

996
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: what it is. Trade for Jacoby, Well, what what was

997
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:08,480
Speaker 1: that really gonna do? How many weeks do you got

998
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: to get him caught up on the offense. It's just

999
00:52:12,080 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't think I've ever seen such a disastrous situation

1000
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,840
Speaker 1: for a team that just had pretty high hopes. We

1001
00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 1: could argue like were they too high? Were they unrealistic?

1002
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 1: I think we all can agree there was just some

1003
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:30,359
Speaker 1: optimistic the arrow was pointing up to just the arrow

1004
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: completely being lit on fire, burned to the ground, and

1005
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,840
Speaker 1: now there is no arrow, and they're just you just

1006
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:41,399
Speaker 1: don't have options. I think you just ride Zach out

1007
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:43,960
Speaker 1: for three or four weeks, see how that looks, and

1008
00:52:44,000 --> 00:52:47,120
Speaker 1: then I guess, reassess, But I just don't really know

1009
00:52:47,200 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: what you're reassessing. You know, you just Matt Ryan can't move.

1010
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 1: There's no retired old quarterbacks you want. Carson can't. You're

1011
00:52:57,560 --> 00:52:59,239
Speaker 1: not bringing him into the locker room. Cause the other

1012
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: thing is most of their sweet players are like twenty

1013
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,480
Speaker 1: four to twenty five, twenty three years old. All the

1014
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: Jets awesome players are all young and in their prime.

1015
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:12,240
Speaker 1: They're incredible to watch fly round. Garrett Wilson's touchdown should

1016
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: have been a pick. He basically tipped the ball out

1017
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: of the DB's hands because it wasn't a very good

1018
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:19,040
Speaker 1: throw by Zack Wilson. I thought about that a lot

1019
00:53:19,080 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: today too, Like that's a play that Rogers makes in

1020
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: his sleep. He throws that on the right shoulder that's

1021
00:53:28,560 --> 00:53:31,319
Speaker 1: so far away from the dB. That's either incomplete or

1022
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:34,840
Speaker 1: he plucks it out of the sky. Instead, Garrett Wilson

1023
00:53:35,360 --> 00:53:38,319
Speaker 1: has to turn into like a video game player tip

1024
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 1: the ball to himself. That throw is terrible. It really is,

1025
00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 1: and part of what made Zach Wilson such a highly

1026
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,600
Speaker 1: viewed Guy by the Jets is his film in twenty

1027
00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:52,880
Speaker 1: twenty against a bunch of crappy teams. People were like,

1028
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,319
Speaker 1: this is like Aaron Rodgers. He was slinging it all

1029
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: over the place. His accuracy was awesome. You watch him play,

1030
00:53:58,200 --> 00:54:00,000
Speaker 1: They're like, God, is he that accurate of a player?

1031
00:54:00,480 --> 00:54:03,960
Speaker 1: What makes Aaron Rodgers so special is that play? He

1032
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:08,400
Speaker 1: makes that thing look routine, routine, you know. It's like

1033
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 1: what makes great players awesome is like Tiger Woods does

1034
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:16,240
Speaker 1: incredibly hard stuff and he makes it look easy. Steph

1035
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:18,279
Speaker 1: Curry does stuff that You're like, how did he just

1036
00:54:18,320 --> 00:54:21,160
Speaker 1: do that? And to him it's easy. Rogers makes these

1037
00:54:21,200 --> 00:54:23,919
Speaker 1: throws and he's like, eah, make that throw every other week.

1038
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson just a basic not even a fades like

1039
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:30,840
Speaker 1: a front shoulder, back shoulder, you know, play which clearly

1040
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: they were attempting to do. Doesn't even put it in

1041
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,919
Speaker 1: the right spot, not even remotely close. Not only should

1042
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: not have been a touchdown, no chance that should be completed.

1043
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 1: If anything, it should be a pick. People like middle Coop,

1044
00:54:42,600 --> 00:54:46,400
Speaker 1: You're wrong on Mac Jones. He hit Kendrick board in stride.

1045
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 1: No he didn't, Guys, he didn't. I'm not. I feel

1046
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:52,480
Speaker 1: like I'm getting painted as I'm not even that big

1047
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: of a Mac Jones hater. You could never draft him

1048
00:54:56,040 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: at thirteen. I didn't like taking him at fifteenth. I

1049
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 1: think he's like a third round pick. I mean that's

1050
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: where I would taking it, the third round. Have a

1051
00:55:02,280 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 1: great week, I'll see you tomorrow. Subscribe to the podcast

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