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Speaker 2: Film Spotters Josh and Adam. Here. Wednesdays are when we

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Speaker 2: usually share a show from the Film Spotting Archive, but

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Speaker 2: this week we're going to do something a little different.

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Speaker 2: We're going to share just a little bit of our

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Speaker 2: October Bonus Show. Of course, bonus shows we do these

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Speaker 2: monthly for Film Spotting family members. This one was a

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Speaker 2: Tom Cruise draft with you and me, Adam, producer Sam

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Speaker 2: and listener Zach Cook, who actually chose the topic.

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Speaker 3: Yes he did. We always do a draft in October.

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Speaker 3: The Bonus show is always a listener proposed draft. We

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Speaker 3: choose a Film Spotting family member at random, and they

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Speaker 3: usually suggest two options. We discuss internally which one of

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Speaker 3: those two we want to do. And it was Zach's

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Speaker 3: first choice the Tom Cruise draft that one out. I

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Speaker 3: don't know how much as we're recording this, I don't

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Speaker 3: know how much of the draft exactly that producer Sam

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Speaker 3: is going to offer you. You're probably going to hear, though, listener,

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Speaker 3: Zach Cook break Josh's heart with his first pick. You

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Speaker 3: might also hear Josh break my heart with his second pick,

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Speaker 3: or maybe not. You might have to actually be a

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Speaker 3: family member and listen to the entire draft to get

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Speaker 3: all that.

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Speaker 2: What I'm pretty sure you won't hear, probably because he'll

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Speaker 2: edit it out, is Sam with his last pick or two,

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Speaker 2: just going absolutely into Looney Tune's territory. So, you know,

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Speaker 2: Film Spotting family members they get that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. Though honestly, I don't mind Sam's fifth

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Speaker 3: that it's it's his choice of the best of a

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Speaker 3: certain franchise Tom Cruise that I think I think would

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Speaker 3: surprise he might surprise a lot of listeners. That's the

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Speaker 3: one that befuddled me. And you could find out what

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Speaker 3: we're talking about if you get to hear that entire draft.

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Speaker 3: So you can hear that full draft all twenty picks

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Speaker 3: by becoming a member of the Film Spotting Family at

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Speaker 3: Filmspotting Family dot com. But we're gonna give you some

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Speaker 3: of those picks right now. What kind of a show

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Speaker 4: You're not interested in armed Now, Look, we're going to

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Speaker 4: do this thing. We're going to have a conversation.

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Speaker 3: Everyone to Film Spotting Family Bonus content. October twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 3: It is draft time we have with us. Josh Larson

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Speaker 3: coming to us from Scotland. How are you today, Josh.

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Speaker 2: I'm living the dream. It's it's mid day for this recording,

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Speaker 2: rather than you know, end of the night, which is

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Speaker 2: what we've been doing lately. So unfortunately you guys are

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Speaker 3: I haven't even had my coffee yet. The earliest recording,

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Speaker 3: I think, in Film Spotting history, I was going to

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Speaker 3: ask twenty plus years Sam, no show has been recorded

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Speaker 3: this early in the morning. How are you doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing I'm doing great. This is probably ideal for

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Speaker 3: we we do have with us. Zach Cook. Are you

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Speaker 6: I was introduced to the show by my wife back

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Speaker 7: Amateur, very amateur film critic, but love the show. I've

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Speaker 4: Twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 7: It did occur to me like, when I was thinking

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Speaker 3: Yes, and I thought you might appreciate that draft, Tom Cruise.

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Speaker 4: Zach, yes, I have, but not in a while.

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Speaker 3: I I did the same thing where I had an

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Speaker 3: A big one. We're just gonna, yeah, a big one.

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Speaker 3: maybe cruise decades or something. No, straight up cruise films.

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Speaker 3: We're going through them. We're doing five rounds, four of us,

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Speaker 3: so twenty cruise films total. La Serpentine. There you go, Serpentine.

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Speaker 3: The only stipulation, even though it almost surely would have

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Speaker 4: Fair.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean so we don't have the time to

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Speaker 2: know how Zach feels. What do you care if I

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Speaker 3: Zach is the one who suggested it, and Sam and

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Speaker 3: I are on board. So you're out voted, Zach.

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Speaker 7: We got to pick a broader range of Cruise films here.

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Speaker 4: We can't here on Mission Impossibles.

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Speaker 5: There's two great films and then it's a drop off

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Speaker 2: But but Sam, we have to think about this in

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Speaker 2: And so I can't think that's the question.

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Speaker 3: Well that is a great segue into my number one pick.

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Speaker 3: And of course this is tough because I'm really bad

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Speaker 2: I love it Eyes Wide Shut. Off the board, Okay,

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Speaker 2: But I didn't want to mimic that, which was something

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Speaker 2: a little bit, because Jerry maguire is an extremely exhilaratingly

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Speaker 5: Love this, Love this. As soon as you went with

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Speaker 5: I didn't think there was a chance I would get

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Speaker 5: it Magnolia. But but but I'm going to But I

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Speaker 5: very good. I loved Cruse's sincerity about his work. I

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Speaker 5: I do think he's very good. He's very good at

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Speaker 3: That's his best role. You're saying Tom Cruise, Yes, that's right,

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Speaker 5: So I will say it's like Cruse is maybe my

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Speaker 5: I don't know tenth favorite thing about Magnolia. He's very good,

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Speaker 5: I also wondered if I could maybe grab one battle

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Speaker 5: if that's not fair, Yeah, I'm going to take Magnolia, no,

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Speaker 5: no doubt. I didn't think there was a chance I

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Speaker 3: You thought I would take it, for sure.

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Speaker 5: I thought you would take Josh.

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Speaker 3: I didn't think Josh would take That's what I mean

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Speaker 5: I thought you were going to take Magnolia, Adam, and

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Speaker 3: So there were right Zach, all right number four.

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Speaker 4: So I had a little advantage at least with Adam

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Speaker 7: Record with some of your top five cruise performances, so

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Speaker 7: I was able to do a little research there, and

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Speaker 7: I agree these were the top three year oll. I

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Speaker 4: I can pair it.

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Speaker 7: You know, probably from a pure acting perspective, the role

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Speaker 7: on the fourth of July. But I have not seen

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Speaker 7: but I did not get a chance to catch up

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Speaker 4: The full movie.

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Speaker 7: And I know, Adam and Josh you just did your

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Speaker 4: One of you.

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Speaker 7: Perhaps what I did get to do was from research

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Speaker 7: I said, I'm going to go for iconic Cruise roles.

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Speaker 7: If I'm not going to get the absolute best, I'm

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Speaker 7: kind of competing with you, Josh. I'm going to get

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Speaker 7: the roles that just scream Tom Cruise and everyone thinks

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Speaker 4: That are also good performances. I love this movie, and

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Speaker 7: This was my breakthrough for going on this draft. I

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Speaker 7: finally sat down and I watched Risky Business, sad movie,

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Speaker 7: and frighteningly still crushed timely, forty plus years later. I

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Speaker 4: It's a perfect vestial for him.

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Speaker 7: So I'm taking Risky Business and then I'll, you know,

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Speaker 7: speed things up here. I'm going to pair that with

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Speaker 7: another iconic Cruise movie. I did a little market research

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Speaker 7: privately with my Facebook friends. He's actually a little contained

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Speaker 7: in that movie Risky Business, which is kind of great.

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Speaker 7: So I want Unhinged Famous Cruise two. So I'm just

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Speaker 7: taking it while it's here. I'll take a few good

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Speaker 7: that are, as you say, just supremely entertaining. Maybe not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely going to Cruise.

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Speaker 2: We are going to be rivals. Zach, I didn't A

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Speaker 2: Few Good Men was lower on my board, but Risky

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Speaker 2: It is like, whoa, this guy is going to be enormous.

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Speaker 3: Yep, h Sam, Josh. How about Zach's approach, He's like

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Speaker 3: that pick feels like it belongs to one of you guys.

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Speaker 3: That's not how drafts are supposed to work.

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Speaker 2: No, too nice, Zach, too nice?

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Speaker 3: Too nice? You're gonna lose. I finished, Josh, I gave it.

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Speaker 4: Then I take that's true.

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Speaker 3: That's true, you take risky business. He was crushed just

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Speaker 2: Get dicey between the two of us as things proceed.

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