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Speaker 1: The Season with Peter Schrager is a production of the

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Speaker 1: NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio. Hey, everybody, welcome to another

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Speaker 1: episode of the Season with Peter Schrager. We are now

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Speaker 1: in the second week of August. Preseason football is upon us.

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Speaker 1: There's a full slate of games this weekend. We already

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Speaker 1: had the Hall of Fame game last Thursday, the Hall

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Speaker 1: of Fame induction ceremonies. Hard Knocks's premiere in this week

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Speaker 1: Football's here, like football is here and it feels good.

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Speaker 1: And if you listen to this podcast, you come to

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Speaker 1: get your little taste of football, but also learn something new.

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Speaker 1: I thought one of the most interesting stories of the

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Speaker 1: week was that Tennessee Titans coach Mike Vrabel came out

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Speaker 1: and said he'll have assistant head coach and his defensive

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Speaker 1: line coach Terrell Williams beat a head coach in the

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Speaker 1: preseason opener against the Bears on Saturday, and it seems

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Speaker 1: that's nice story. This is like an incredible realization I

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Speaker 1: just had and an epiphany that, oh my gosh, like

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Speaker 1: these preseason games mean nothing. Let assistant coaches, coach. We

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Speaker 1: always talk about how hard it is to get an

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Speaker 1: love this from Vrabel. So here's Terre Williams, who has

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Speaker 1: twenty six years of coaching under his belt, twelve in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. He's been, you know, Titans defensive line coach

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Speaker 1: Bowl a bunch of times. They've had undrafted guys like

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Speaker 1: the team. And one of the reasons is Big T

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Speaker 1: who's the coach, and you know his assistant, Clinton McMillan,

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Speaker 1: but like, say your guy like Rabel, who's a made

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Speaker 1: parameters I would make it if a coach is there

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Speaker 1: And he's got a defensive line coach in Terro Williams

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Speaker 1: And I want to hear his response afterwards that that

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Speaker 1: a great one one? Aaron Aaron warn Kaufman, my producer.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen Oppenheimer? I haven't yet, unfortunately not gotten

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Speaker 1: Alex and I have seen movies together in the past.

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Speaker 1: Jay Robert Oppenheimer. If he's not nominated for Best Picture,

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Speaker 1: it's not an excuse. It's just no team I can

426
00:21:02,026 --> 00:21:04,786
Speaker 1: remember in recent years has gone through a two month

427
00:21:04,826 --> 00:21:07,466
Speaker 1: span with all the weather stuf, and then tomorrow and

428
00:21:07,666 --> 00:21:09,826
Speaker 1: just straight through to the end of the season where

429
00:21:09,826 --> 00:21:12,626
Speaker 1: it's like, God, they've gone through a lot. Do you

430
00:21:12,666 --> 00:21:14,586
Speaker 1: feel like the team is refreshed or is there a

431
00:21:14,626 --> 00:21:17,386
Speaker 1: hangover from all that where you like can kind of

432
00:21:17,466 --> 00:21:19,746
Speaker 1: sense that, you know, the stink of the end of

433
00:21:19,826 --> 00:21:21,346
Speaker 1: last year. And I don't mean to say stink, but

434
00:21:21,386 --> 00:21:23,426
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Yea, it is still with

435
00:21:23,466 --> 00:21:25,066
Speaker 1: this team as we had to twenty twenty three.

436
00:21:25,546 --> 00:21:28,946
Speaker 4: No, I think you know, as I said, every teams

437
00:21:28,986 --> 00:21:31,866
Speaker 4: a new team, and it's our job to learn from

438
00:21:31,906 --> 00:21:34,706
Speaker 4: what Yes, there was adversity, there was things that come up,

439
00:21:34,746 --> 00:21:37,746
Speaker 4: but it's what you do with it and how you

440
00:21:37,786 --> 00:21:41,346
Speaker 4: take that and the scars of not winning. You know

441
00:21:41,426 --> 00:21:44,786
Speaker 4: that trophy that the Chiefs, you know won again last season.

442
00:21:44,866 --> 00:21:47,266
Speaker 4: It's it's it's what you do with it, learn from

443
00:21:47,386 --> 00:21:49,666
Speaker 4: the mistakes, things we could have done better. Yes, there

444
00:21:49,706 --> 00:21:52,746
Speaker 4: was adversity, but there's things we could have handled ourselves

445
00:21:52,786 --> 00:21:55,226
Speaker 4: and we know that. And so this is a fresh group,

446
00:21:55,346 --> 00:21:57,946
Speaker 4: a new team, and so we got a fresh outlook.

447
00:21:57,986 --> 00:22:01,906
Speaker 3: Everyone's looking ahead to this season and.

448
00:22:01,706 --> 00:22:04,306
Speaker 4: Trying to make sure that we don't repeat, you know

449
00:22:04,346 --> 00:22:07,706
Speaker 4: the mistakes that ultimately cost us, you know, a chance

450
00:22:07,706 --> 00:22:08,426
Speaker 4: of the Super Bowl.

451
00:22:08,626 --> 00:22:10,346
Speaker 1: When we had you on last time. You took us

452
00:22:10,546 --> 00:22:13,666
Speaker 1: step by step through the drafting of Josh Allen and

453
00:22:13,706 --> 00:22:16,266
Speaker 1: how convicted you guys were, and we're gonna make this move.

454
00:22:16,306 --> 00:22:18,306
Speaker 1: We're gonna get this guy. We're gonna do it. And

455
00:22:18,346 --> 00:22:23,586
Speaker 1: we found our guy, Dalton Kincaid. Everywhere I looked in

456
00:22:23,626 --> 00:22:26,466
Speaker 1: the mock drafts, everyone I talked to you said, Okay, look,

457
00:22:26,826 --> 00:22:30,426
Speaker 1: Kincaid and probably Myers, the Notre Dame kid, they're probably

458
00:22:30,426 --> 00:22:32,746
Speaker 1: gonna go in the top twenty. And then after that

459
00:22:32,786 --> 00:22:35,506
Speaker 1: there might be a Darnell Washington, there might be other guys,

460
00:22:35,506 --> 00:22:37,786
Speaker 1: but tight end position is really good up top with

461
00:22:37,826 --> 00:22:40,266
Speaker 1: these two guys. You're sitting there in the mid twenties

462
00:22:40,306 --> 00:22:42,266
Speaker 1: at the end of the first round and there's Dalton Kincaid.

463
00:22:42,266 --> 00:22:44,986
Speaker 1: Can you take us through the drafting of Dalton Kincaid

464
00:22:45,066 --> 00:22:47,386
Speaker 1: from your perspective And did you ever think in a

465
00:22:47,386 --> 00:22:49,226
Speaker 1: million years you guys would have the opportunity to draft

466
00:22:49,226 --> 00:22:50,266
Speaker 1: that guy at a Utah.

467
00:22:50,506 --> 00:22:52,786
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, we really liked Dalton a lot. We

468
00:22:52,866 --> 00:22:55,586
Speaker 3: tried not to get it out there.

469
00:22:55,626 --> 00:22:57,546
Speaker 4: We tried to keep our cards close to the vest,

470
00:22:57,666 --> 00:23:01,226
Speaker 4: and you know, you do pay attention to macks for

471
00:23:01,266 --> 00:23:03,786
Speaker 4: a lot of reasons, one to kind of prepare who

472
00:23:03,786 --> 00:23:04,666
Speaker 4: you think is gonna be.

473
00:23:04,666 --> 00:23:06,226
Speaker 3: They're not that they're gonna have every team.

474
00:23:06,226 --> 00:23:09,026
Speaker 4: But if again, if you're looking at thirty mocks and

475
00:23:09,466 --> 00:23:11,866
Speaker 4: every single one of them has a you know, Will

476
00:23:11,906 --> 00:23:15,106
Speaker 4: Anderson going before you pick, you don't really you know,

477
00:23:15,186 --> 00:23:17,906
Speaker 4: need to go too deep. It's usually pretty accurate. And

478
00:23:17,946 --> 00:23:22,506
Speaker 4: so you know, no one really was projecting Dalton. Does

479
00:23:22,586 --> 00:23:26,066
Speaker 4: people you know, have some guards, people had some receivers,

480
00:23:27,426 --> 00:23:29,586
Speaker 4: you know, And so it was kind of I felt

481
00:23:29,626 --> 00:23:31,906
Speaker 4: like we laid under the radar there from that standpoint.

482
00:23:32,106 --> 00:23:35,906
Speaker 4: And again probably ten days, two weeks somewhere in there,

483
00:23:35,906 --> 00:23:37,986
Speaker 4: I don't remember. I was, you know, you're kind of we're,

484
00:23:38,266 --> 00:23:40,186
Speaker 4: you know, our board, we're wrapping it up, and you're

485
00:23:40,226 --> 00:23:42,826
Speaker 4: looking at them, looking to see who's on our board

486
00:23:42,826 --> 00:23:45,546
Speaker 4: that we like and versus what people think is going

487
00:23:45,626 --> 00:23:46,106
Speaker 4: to be there.

488
00:23:46,106 --> 00:23:48,626
Speaker 3: And I thought ten days out, I was like, we

489
00:23:48,706 --> 00:23:50,506
Speaker 3: got a good chance at Dalton. I really did.

490
00:23:50,666 --> 00:23:53,546
Speaker 4: But but then as I'm starting to do my homework

491
00:23:53,546 --> 00:23:55,266
Speaker 4: and things were running close, so I'm starting to hear

492
00:23:55,346 --> 00:23:58,466
Speaker 4: Dalton going in the teens and he's not going to

493
00:23:58,506 --> 00:24:01,906
Speaker 4: get past this team and you know, barely past twenty

494
00:24:02,506 --> 00:24:06,306
Speaker 4: and so at that point you're you're making, you know,

495
00:24:06,466 --> 00:24:10,346
Speaker 4: alternative plans if he doesn't get to you, you know,

496
00:24:10,386 --> 00:24:12,666
Speaker 4: whether you trade back or could someone else that you

497
00:24:12,906 --> 00:24:15,906
Speaker 4: like be there. And so ultimately, you know, I had

498
00:24:15,906 --> 00:24:19,066
Speaker 4: told you know, our ownership, you know, and Terry Bogula said,

499
00:24:19,306 --> 00:24:21,386
Speaker 4: you know, if he gets close, I may get a

500
00:24:21,386 --> 00:24:24,826
Speaker 4: little aggressive here to try and get him. And ultimately

501
00:24:25,266 --> 00:24:26,826
Speaker 4: we were able to move up a couple of spots

502
00:24:26,826 --> 00:24:27,466
Speaker 4: and get him.

503
00:24:27,666 --> 00:24:30,786
Speaker 1: What were the machinations of that trade? Because I remember

504
00:24:30,826 --> 00:24:33,786
Speaker 1: with Giants, Jacksonville, the Ravens, there's all these teams. Are

505
00:24:33,786 --> 00:24:35,706
Speaker 1: you on the phone calling you know, all of them

506
00:24:35,706 --> 00:24:37,346
Speaker 1: and saying, let's trade for the pick? Or is it

507
00:24:37,346 --> 00:24:38,586
Speaker 1: one of these where they call you and said do

508
00:24:38,626 --> 00:24:39,386
Speaker 1: you want to trade back?

509
00:24:39,826 --> 00:24:40,066
Speaker 3: Yeah?

510
00:24:40,106 --> 00:24:43,106
Speaker 4: I mean the day of the draft, you know, I

511
00:24:43,146 --> 00:24:47,786
Speaker 4: had guys checking around, but I had you know, Jacksonville

512
00:24:47,866 --> 00:24:49,506
Speaker 4: was one of the teams that said they might be

513
00:24:49,546 --> 00:24:50,466
Speaker 4: open to move back.

514
00:24:53,106 --> 00:24:53,826
Speaker 3: The Giants.

515
00:24:54,026 --> 00:24:57,506
Speaker 4: You know, I talked to Joe and he said, you know,

516
00:24:57,626 --> 00:24:59,666
Speaker 4: he thought they might be willing to move back.

517
00:24:59,706 --> 00:25:00,386
Speaker 3: And I said, listen.

518
00:25:00,466 --> 00:25:03,626
Speaker 4: I again, by that day, I didn't think he would

519
00:25:03,666 --> 00:25:03,906
Speaker 4: be there.

520
00:25:03,946 --> 00:25:06,026
Speaker 3: I said, honestly, I think we're probably going back with

521
00:25:06,706 --> 00:25:07,786
Speaker 3: you know, and not going up.

522
00:25:08,266 --> 00:25:11,346
Speaker 4: That was my you know, truthful feeling if I, if

523
00:25:11,386 --> 00:25:14,026
Speaker 4: I was putting odds in Vegas that I would go back.

524
00:25:15,266 --> 00:25:18,186
Speaker 4: But then it got you know, when he got past

525
00:25:18,306 --> 00:25:21,186
Speaker 4: like twenty one, you know, or so I was like, man,

526
00:25:21,226 --> 00:25:22,906
Speaker 4: we got a chance here.

527
00:25:23,026 --> 00:25:24,826
Speaker 1: And the run of wide receivers was starting.

528
00:25:24,946 --> 00:25:29,266
Speaker 4: It was starting, and so I called Joe and said, hey,

529
00:25:29,466 --> 00:25:31,666
Speaker 4: what do you think We'd already nailed down what it

530
00:25:31,706 --> 00:25:33,266
Speaker 4: would be so we didn't.

531
00:25:32,986 --> 00:25:36,826
Speaker 1: Have to argue beforehand. You're like, it's hypothetically, this.

532
00:25:36,866 --> 00:25:38,666
Speaker 3: Is what we're going to do. That way, we don't

533
00:25:38,706 --> 00:25:40,786
Speaker 3: have to argue about it. You're an agreement. I'm in agreement.

534
00:25:40,946 --> 00:25:44,466
Speaker 4: And he's like, well, listen, I'll do it if if

535
00:25:44,706 --> 00:25:47,266
Speaker 4: if our guy's gone or whatever. And so I'm like,

536
00:25:47,306 --> 00:25:51,666
Speaker 4: all right, well, then next thing I know, he texts me.

537
00:25:52,026 --> 00:25:56,186
Speaker 4: He goes we're moving up and he's Jackson just gotten

538
00:25:56,186 --> 00:25:56,626
Speaker 4: on the clock.

539
00:25:57,026 --> 00:25:57,426
Speaker 3: You're like what.

540
00:25:58,346 --> 00:26:03,186
Speaker 4: So before it was announced publicly, I started calling Trent

541
00:26:03,266 --> 00:26:10,746
Speaker 4: Balky and saying, you know, ultimately, you know, trimp I

542
00:26:10,786 --> 00:26:11,586
Speaker 4: know you're trading here.

543
00:26:11,666 --> 00:26:13,946
Speaker 3: What what will you? You know? What can we do?

544
00:26:14,026 --> 00:26:16,946
Speaker 3: And he he didn't want to trade the pick.

545
00:26:17,186 --> 00:26:20,986
Speaker 4: I really didn't, but Joe and then made their pick

546
00:26:21,226 --> 00:26:23,226
Speaker 4: and then he said, I'll call you back. And so

547
00:26:23,266 --> 00:26:25,426
Speaker 4: it went back and forth several calls, and he basically

548
00:26:25,466 --> 00:26:27,466
Speaker 4: made me tell him who we.

549
00:26:27,346 --> 00:26:28,986
Speaker 1: Were going to pick, and you had to be honest

550
00:26:29,146 --> 00:26:29,546
Speaker 1: and I had.

551
00:26:29,506 --> 00:26:32,346
Speaker 4: To shoot him straight and I would never lie in

552
00:26:32,426 --> 00:26:35,746
Speaker 4: that standpoint, from a trust standpoint, and he was nervous

553
00:26:35,786 --> 00:26:38,066
Speaker 4: about it, but he was willing to do it, and

554
00:26:38,506 --> 00:26:41,466
Speaker 4: he still got the tackle they wanted and we got done.

555
00:26:41,786 --> 00:26:44,026
Speaker 1: It's so fun. And I know I'm on the media

556
00:26:44,146 --> 00:26:46,706
Speaker 1: side and the fans listening are like, but it is

557
00:26:47,266 --> 00:26:50,146
Speaker 1: as simple as that, as Hey, you and Joe are like,

558
00:26:50,146 --> 00:26:52,306
Speaker 1: there's a chance this might happen. We've got three days

559
00:26:52,346 --> 00:26:54,306
Speaker 1: here before the draft. We're killing time. Let's work out

560
00:26:54,306 --> 00:26:56,066
Speaker 1: the deal now, as opposed to doing it on the clock.

561
00:26:56,426 --> 00:26:57,626
Speaker 1: And then he has to text you and be like,

562
00:26:57,626 --> 00:26:59,426
Speaker 1: we're actually moving up. We like bangs out of Maryland.

563
00:26:59,426 --> 00:27:01,666
Speaker 1: We're taking him. And you're like, ah, all right, It's

564
00:27:01,746 --> 00:27:03,426
Speaker 1: it's got to be such a pressure cooker to be

565
00:27:03,466 --> 00:27:05,306
Speaker 1: there and then you only get one first round pick

566
00:27:05,346 --> 00:27:06,986
Speaker 1: of year, so you don't want to mess up, and

567
00:27:07,026 --> 00:27:08,306
Speaker 1: you don't want to get it wrong, and you don't

568
00:27:08,346 --> 00:27:10,186
Speaker 1: want to regret not getting the guy and have to

569
00:27:10,186 --> 00:27:12,746
Speaker 1: think after you guys get Dalton Kincaid, who put up

570
00:27:12,786 --> 00:27:14,986
Speaker 1: huge numbers at Utah. You guys were absolutely thrilled.

571
00:27:15,426 --> 00:27:16,066
Speaker 3: Yeah, we were.

572
00:27:16,186 --> 00:27:18,546
Speaker 4: You know, we really liked him through the process and

573
00:27:19,146 --> 00:27:20,706
Speaker 4: just thought he'd be a great fit for here.

574
00:27:20,746 --> 00:27:23,386
Speaker 3: And and you know, he's.

575
00:27:22,946 --> 00:27:25,666
Speaker 4: A smart kid, he's still an up and commoner and

576
00:27:25,866 --> 00:27:28,586
Speaker 4: just you know, pairing him with Dawson Knox, you know,

577
00:27:28,666 --> 00:27:32,826
Speaker 4: we thought could give us another added dimension that teams

578
00:27:32,906 --> 00:27:33,626
Speaker 4: have to defend.

579
00:27:33,786 --> 00:27:35,826
Speaker 3: You know, we don't. We don't. We haven't used twelve

580
00:27:35,826 --> 00:27:36,466
Speaker 3: person al a lot.

581
00:27:36,546 --> 00:27:38,626
Speaker 4: So this gave us a chance to add that to

582
00:27:38,706 --> 00:27:40,946
Speaker 4: Ken Dorsey's you know, kind of his playbook.

583
00:27:41,346 --> 00:27:43,986
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're not going anywhere. You and Sean both are

584
00:27:43,986 --> 00:27:46,746
Speaker 1: pretty secure in that market, and you have this team together.

585
00:27:48,386 --> 00:27:51,266
Speaker 1: The stability of both the two of you guys together.

586
00:27:51,666 --> 00:27:54,186
Speaker 1: When you speak to your team and when you address

587
00:27:54,266 --> 00:27:57,186
Speaker 1: the the younger guys and maybe some of the veterans,

588
00:27:57,186 --> 00:28:00,586
Speaker 1: and they know that you're not going anywhere. How important

589
00:28:00,626 --> 00:28:02,106
Speaker 1: is that for you guys to come and know that, hey,

590
00:28:02,146 --> 00:28:04,386
Speaker 1: year to year, there's some consistency here. We're building something.

591
00:28:04,826 --> 00:28:07,026
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean it's I tell you when when I

592
00:28:07,066 --> 00:28:10,186
Speaker 4: interviewed for the job, you know, Sean was already there.

593
00:28:10,226 --> 00:28:12,426
Speaker 3: I'm interviewing with the Beagoulas.

594
00:28:13,306 --> 00:28:15,186
Speaker 4: And you know, so I'm talking to Terry and Kim

595
00:28:15,226 --> 00:28:17,506
Speaker 4: getting to know him, and one of the things I

596
00:28:17,506 --> 00:28:20,106
Speaker 4: brought up was stability. You know, I said, you know,

597
00:28:20,146 --> 00:28:23,586
Speaker 4: I felt like the AFC East teams were doing Bill

598
00:28:23,586 --> 00:28:26,466
Speaker 4: Belichick a favor by constantly turned over.

599
00:28:26,626 --> 00:28:27,746
Speaker 3: I said, you know, it's two things.

600
00:28:27,746 --> 00:28:31,386
Speaker 4: One, you haven't found a quarterback this organization since Jim Kelly.

601
00:28:32,066 --> 00:28:35,506
Speaker 4: So first and foremost, we have to start that plan,

602
00:28:35,826 --> 00:28:37,626
Speaker 4: you know, if you're going to hire me, And then

603
00:28:37,666 --> 00:28:40,066
Speaker 4: I want to know, like Kim, we this is the plan.

604
00:28:40,146 --> 00:28:42,986
Speaker 4: This is not an overnight thing. You know, as I

605
00:28:43,026 --> 00:28:46,786
Speaker 4: begin to work with Sean and we share ideas, you know,

606
00:28:46,826 --> 00:28:49,026
Speaker 4: if you're going to hire me to start working with Sean,

607
00:28:49,546 --> 00:28:52,546
Speaker 4: you know, I think we see things pretty similarly. From

608
00:28:52,586 --> 00:28:55,466
Speaker 4: from what I know about Sean. We haven't gotten deep

609
00:28:55,506 --> 00:28:57,906
Speaker 4: into the weeds. I had to get the job first.

610
00:28:57,946 --> 00:29:01,226
Speaker 4: But you know, they said, well, we gave Sean a

611
00:29:01,226 --> 00:29:03,546
Speaker 4: five year deal and we would do the same for

612
00:29:03,586 --> 00:29:05,866
Speaker 4: whoever gets this gym job. And I said, and I

613
00:29:05,946 --> 00:29:10,786
Speaker 4: hope you'll us, you know, play that out, And they said, no,

614
00:29:10,946 --> 00:29:13,026
Speaker 4: we you know, there has been a little turnover here,

615
00:29:13,026 --> 00:29:15,426
Speaker 4: but we want to be one of the franchises that's

616
00:29:15,466 --> 00:29:19,666
Speaker 4: looked at as not quick trigger, not just reacting to

617
00:29:19,906 --> 00:29:23,226
Speaker 4: you know, to media pressure, fan pressure, but doing the

618
00:29:23,306 --> 00:29:25,746
Speaker 4: right thing. And I tell you they've they've been great.

619
00:29:25,786 --> 00:29:28,866
Speaker 4: And you know, Sean and I both are very fortunate

620
00:29:28,906 --> 00:29:33,146
Speaker 4: to work for them, and they they're involved, but and

621
00:29:33,186 --> 00:29:35,386
Speaker 4: they want to know and they're doing everything that owners

622
00:29:35,426 --> 00:29:39,306
Speaker 4: should do. But they're also giving us the resources to

623
00:29:39,426 --> 00:29:42,466
Speaker 4: run the team and and and do the best we can.

624
00:29:42,506 --> 00:29:45,346
Speaker 4: And now it's on us to see if we can somehow,

625
00:29:45,466 --> 00:29:47,546
Speaker 4: you know, get this trophy finally to Buffalo here at

626
00:29:47,546 --> 00:29:47,866
Speaker 4: some point.

627
00:29:48,266 --> 00:29:52,026
Speaker 1: Yeah, and those fans want it. AFC East is interesting

628
00:29:52,106 --> 00:29:54,346
Speaker 1: because for years I felt like it was just the Patriots,

629
00:29:54,346 --> 00:29:56,146
Speaker 1: and then now it's like your time. The Bills are

630
00:29:56,146 --> 00:30:00,346
Speaker 1: the team. Dolphins had a great season last year. Obviously,

631
00:30:00,386 --> 00:30:01,946
Speaker 1: you guys beat them in the playoffs. At the end

632
00:30:02,506 --> 00:30:05,266
Speaker 1: this pass offseason, the Jets loaded up. They're obviously going

633
00:30:05,306 --> 00:30:07,386
Speaker 1: to be a factor. The Patriot rates are still looming.

634
00:30:07,746 --> 00:30:09,946
Speaker 1: You look at this gauntlet and then your schedule, which

635
00:30:10,026 --> 00:30:12,786
Speaker 1: is also the NFC East. Is the AFC East as

636
00:30:12,786 --> 00:30:14,266
Speaker 1: good as it's been since you've gotten there. Do you

637
00:30:14,266 --> 00:30:16,346
Speaker 1: feel that way or is it like hell, no, we're

638
00:30:16,386 --> 00:30:17,866
Speaker 1: the team and they can come and try to get

639
00:30:17,866 --> 00:30:19,586
Speaker 1: the crown, like we don't care about what they did.

640
00:30:20,026 --> 00:30:22,186
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think it's from top to bottom.

641
00:30:22,266 --> 00:30:26,506
Speaker 4: It's as competitive as as you know, I can remember

642
00:30:26,506 --> 00:30:29,346
Speaker 4: it even back when I was in the NFC. Just

643
00:30:29,586 --> 00:30:32,826
Speaker 4: the Patriots dominated for so long, and so I think

644
00:30:32,866 --> 00:30:35,826
Speaker 4: everyone knew, you know, we got to, you know, make

645
00:30:36,026 --> 00:30:36,866
Speaker 4: make bold moves.

646
00:30:36,946 --> 00:30:38,346
Speaker 3: And I think all teams have done it.

647
00:30:39,106 --> 00:30:42,226
Speaker 4: Yes, Miami, you know, unfortunately too was out for them,

648
00:30:42,306 --> 00:30:43,386
Speaker 4: and they're you know.

649
00:30:43,346 --> 00:30:47,266
Speaker 3: Playing Skylar Thompson, rookie quarterback. The kid played a heck

650
00:30:47,306 --> 00:30:47,546
Speaker 3: of the.

651
00:30:47,506 --> 00:30:48,986
Speaker 1: Game played well against you guys.

652
00:30:49,186 --> 00:30:52,186
Speaker 4: Really the game was in the balance well into the

653
00:30:52,186 --> 00:30:56,826
Speaker 4: fourth quarter for US holding on and so you know,

654
00:30:56,826 --> 00:30:57,506
Speaker 4: obviously we lose.

655
00:30:57,586 --> 00:30:59,906
Speaker 3: Next week the Jets. The Jets beat us there.

656
00:31:00,066 --> 00:31:03,266
Speaker 4: It was a tight game here, you know, and now

657
00:31:03,266 --> 00:31:05,786
Speaker 4: you add an MVP guy and Aaron Rodgers just that

658
00:31:05,866 --> 00:31:09,426
Speaker 4: move along, I get it why people are picking them

659
00:31:09,466 --> 00:31:12,146
Speaker 4: to be in the Super Bowl, like it's fair. And again,

660
00:31:12,546 --> 00:31:14,666
Speaker 4: the Dolphins with Tua back, are going to be They

661
00:31:14,746 --> 00:31:17,186
Speaker 4: beat us down there with Tua, and we had a

662
00:31:17,226 --> 00:31:20,466
Speaker 4: tight game that we won, uh in Buffalo's, so I

663
00:31:20,546 --> 00:31:22,506
Speaker 4: expected to be a dogfight New England.

664
00:31:22,946 --> 00:31:25,746
Speaker 3: You know Bill Belichick, greatest coach of all time.

665
00:31:26,666 --> 00:31:28,586
Speaker 4: You had Bill O'Brien who's had a lot of great

666
00:31:28,586 --> 00:31:33,026
Speaker 4: offensive success, you know, down Obama, but in Houston and

667
00:31:33,306 --> 00:31:36,346
Speaker 4: in New England. So I don't know if there's a

668
00:31:36,386 --> 00:31:40,146
Speaker 4: tougher division. Maybe someone would argue maybe the NFC North

669
00:31:40,226 --> 00:31:40,666
Speaker 4: or something.

670
00:31:40,706 --> 00:31:44,986
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe NFC North might be more more contested,

671
00:31:45,026 --> 00:31:47,986
Speaker 1: I would say, But as far as strength of team,

672
00:31:48,106 --> 00:31:50,146
Speaker 1: I think it's a FC North and a FC East

673
00:31:50,146 --> 00:31:51,066
Speaker 1: this year in my view.

674
00:31:51,266 --> 00:31:52,946
Speaker 3: That's that's that's the way I see it.

675
00:31:53,026 --> 00:31:55,386
Speaker 4: And again you're you're right, we're also playing, uh, the

676
00:31:55,506 --> 00:31:59,426
Speaker 4: NFC East and the Eagles. They're a tough team. The

677
00:31:59,466 --> 00:32:01,946
Speaker 4: Giants had a heck of a run. Dablon Joe done

678
00:32:01,946 --> 00:32:04,986
Speaker 4: a heck of a job there, cow Balls really good.

679
00:32:05,106 --> 00:32:07,026
Speaker 1: And then your boy Ron, Yeah.

680
00:32:06,826 --> 00:32:09,146
Speaker 4: You know, I think Marty and Ron have done a

681
00:32:09,146 --> 00:32:11,186
Speaker 4: heck of a job that team. You know, if you

682
00:32:11,306 --> 00:32:12,906
Speaker 4: just look at their you just look at their but

683
00:32:12,946 --> 00:32:14,986
Speaker 4: they've got to figure out is Sam how the guy?

684
00:32:15,226 --> 00:32:17,186
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know that's what they got to prove.

685
00:32:17,266 --> 00:32:20,906
Speaker 4: We we liked him as well, but you know that's

686
00:32:20,946 --> 00:32:22,706
Speaker 4: going to be a contested division, you know in the

687
00:32:22,826 --> 00:32:23,346
Speaker 4: NFC East.

688
00:32:23,746 --> 00:32:25,786
Speaker 1: A couple of questions quickly and then I want to

689
00:32:25,826 --> 00:32:28,546
Speaker 1: have some rapid fire stuff about you personally. But uh,

690
00:32:28,586 --> 00:32:31,186
Speaker 1: the von Miller like time is that does every day?

691
00:32:31,226 --> 00:32:33,346
Speaker 1: I haven't been following you guys on a dayt dabasis

692
00:32:33,386 --> 00:32:35,266
Speaker 1: are the locals asking you that every single day and

693
00:32:35,306 --> 00:32:36,986
Speaker 1: asking Sean like, what's the latest of vonn When's he

694
00:32:37,026 --> 00:32:39,226
Speaker 1: gonna be ready? Or is it pretty established in your

695
00:32:39,226 --> 00:32:40,906
Speaker 1: building that he's going to be good to go? And

696
00:32:41,026 --> 00:32:41,626
Speaker 1: he's good to go?

697
00:32:42,266 --> 00:32:44,786
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think we're just you know, we're definitely having

698
00:32:45,066 --> 00:32:48,466
Speaker 4: conversations not every day with vond but every week checking in.

699
00:32:48,546 --> 00:32:50,946
Speaker 4: He's doing his daily stuff with you know, our medical

700
00:32:50,946 --> 00:32:54,906
Speaker 4: team and rehab, and he's in a great spot mentally.

701
00:32:54,986 --> 00:32:58,586
Speaker 4: He's been through an ACO before, so he knows the process.

702
00:32:58,586 --> 00:33:01,466
Speaker 4: It's more than just the physical rehabit's the it's the

703
00:33:01,506 --> 00:33:02,346
Speaker 4: mental part of it.

704
00:33:02,306 --> 00:33:02,906
Speaker 3: Too, And so.

705
00:33:04,466 --> 00:33:07,106
Speaker 4: You know, we're not saying whether he could play Week

706
00:33:07,186 --> 00:33:08,986
Speaker 4: one or not not out of the question.

707
00:33:10,066 --> 00:33:12,266
Speaker 3: You know, I would you know right now, probably coin

708
00:33:12,306 --> 00:33:14,146
Speaker 3: toss is probably the best way he could.

709
00:33:14,226 --> 00:33:15,826
Speaker 1: I think you would sign up for that a couple

710
00:33:15,866 --> 00:33:16,466
Speaker 1: of weeks ago.

711
00:33:16,426 --> 00:33:19,346
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I know Vaughn wants to play in it.

712
00:33:19,586 --> 00:33:21,546
Speaker 4: You know, he's still got to be clear. Doctor Cooper

713
00:33:21,786 --> 00:33:23,866
Speaker 4: out in Texas did his surgery, so he still got

714
00:33:23,906 --> 00:33:27,626
Speaker 4: to get final clearance there, and so we'll just we'll

715
00:33:27,666 --> 00:33:30,466
Speaker 4: take it slow with him. We've tried to beef up

716
00:33:30,506 --> 00:33:33,266
Speaker 4: around in case he's not ready to handle that.

717
00:33:33,786 --> 00:33:35,786
Speaker 3: But we'll probably know a little closer to the season.

718
00:33:35,986 --> 00:33:39,146
Speaker 1: Running back room is interesting. Obviously Singletary was there for years,

719
00:33:39,186 --> 00:33:42,146
Speaker 1: not there now. Around the league that was such a conversation,

720
00:33:42,466 --> 00:33:44,386
Speaker 1: And there are teams like the forty nine ers who

721
00:33:44,426 --> 00:33:47,626
Speaker 1: have Christian McCaffrey, who you know very well and is

722
00:33:47,626 --> 00:33:50,026
Speaker 1: an outstanding player and gets a lot of paid money,

723
00:33:50,066 --> 00:33:52,906
Speaker 1: and Derrick Henry and even Saquon for his one year

724
00:33:52,946 --> 00:33:54,946
Speaker 1: deal is making ten million dollars. You guys have a

725
00:33:54,946 --> 00:33:57,146
Speaker 1: different strategy with it, or you have at least I

726
00:33:57,186 --> 00:33:58,466
Speaker 1: don't know if it's by design or not, but it

727
00:33:58,506 --> 00:34:00,346
Speaker 1: doesn't seem like there's a lead dog in that room.

728
00:34:00,386 --> 00:34:03,026
Speaker 1: Obviously Cook and now you got Harris from the Bill

729
00:34:03,146 --> 00:34:05,706
Speaker 1: from the Patriots. But is that a philosophical thing or

730
00:34:05,786 --> 00:34:07,346
Speaker 1: is this one of those where, hey, we'd love to

731
00:34:07,386 --> 00:34:09,866
Speaker 1: see James Cook run for eighteen hundred yards and we'd

732
00:34:09,866 --> 00:34:11,266
Speaker 1: pay him the same way or is that just how

733
00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:13,026
Speaker 1: your team is built. We're going to focus on different

734
00:34:13,066 --> 00:34:15,106
Speaker 1: positions and the running back spot is going to be

735
00:34:15,146 --> 00:34:15,986
Speaker 1: kind of a committee deal.

736
00:34:16,426 --> 00:34:18,506
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, listen, you always want the best players.

737
00:34:18,586 --> 00:34:20,426
Speaker 4: I mean, you're not going to turn down I was

738
00:34:20,466 --> 00:34:23,946
Speaker 4: there in Carolina we drafted Christian McCaffrey, so a heck

739
00:34:23,986 --> 00:34:26,786
Speaker 4: of a talent. You know, great move by San Francisco

740
00:34:26,866 --> 00:34:29,066
Speaker 4: kind of helped turn their season around last year. So

741
00:34:30,426 --> 00:34:32,906
Speaker 4: you're always looking to add good players like that no

742
00:34:32,946 --> 00:34:33,746
Speaker 4: matter what position.

743
00:34:34,426 --> 00:34:36,946
Speaker 3: But it is you do have to pick and choose.

744
00:34:38,026 --> 00:34:39,866
Speaker 4: You know, when you're picking at the bottom of the round,

745
00:34:40,066 --> 00:34:43,386
Speaker 4: you know your cap constraints. You're paying a quarterback. You've

746
00:34:43,426 --> 00:34:46,266
Speaker 4: got to pick some areas where you know what we'll

747
00:34:46,306 --> 00:34:50,386
Speaker 4: go with, you know, a less expensive model, whether it's

748
00:34:50,506 --> 00:34:55,266
Speaker 4: draft capital or you know, signing. You know, a veteran,

749
00:34:55,466 --> 00:34:58,386
Speaker 4: you know for you know, a reasonable price. And so

750
00:34:59,106 --> 00:35:01,866
Speaker 4: we liked how James Cook played last year, especially down

751
00:35:01,906 --> 00:35:04,586
Speaker 4: the stretch. Thought he did some really good things. And

752
00:35:04,786 --> 00:35:07,306
Speaker 4: Damian Harris has had some really good moment matter of

753
00:35:07,306 --> 00:35:08,546
Speaker 4: fact against.

754
00:35:08,226 --> 00:35:10,466
Speaker 1: Us, he said, well against you guys best.

755
00:35:10,226 --> 00:35:12,426
Speaker 4: Games, So at least I don't have to worry about that.

756
00:35:13,346 --> 00:35:15,746
Speaker 4: But hopefully he'll do that for us. And so he

757
00:35:15,866 --> 00:35:18,706
Speaker 4: just had some health hiccups along the way. That's probably

758
00:35:18,706 --> 00:35:22,026
Speaker 4: been his biggest issue, not how he plays. And Latavius

759
00:35:22,106 --> 00:35:24,106
Speaker 4: Murray had a really good year last year. We brought

760
00:35:24,186 --> 00:35:27,986
Speaker 4: him in born and raised in Syracuse, plays in Florida,

761
00:35:28,026 --> 00:35:30,426
Speaker 4: but he grew up a Bills fan, so it's been

762
00:35:30,506 --> 00:35:32,266
Speaker 4: fun to have him here a big time leader. And

763
00:35:32,946 --> 00:35:35,906
Speaker 4: we lost Nim Hines unfortunately, but we feel like we're

764
00:35:35,906 --> 00:35:37,906
Speaker 4: in good hands with these guys and we'll kind of

765
00:35:37,906 --> 00:35:38,546
Speaker 4: see how it goes.

766
00:35:38,786 --> 00:35:41,346
Speaker 1: You know, Latavius, our show has been on since twenty

767
00:35:41,386 --> 00:35:43,826
Speaker 1: sixteen when he was on The Raiders. Latavius used to

768
00:35:43,826 --> 00:35:45,066
Speaker 1: come on our show and he had such a good

769
00:35:45,066 --> 00:35:46,826
Speaker 1: time on our show. He was in New York and

770
00:35:46,866 --> 00:35:48,466
Speaker 1: asked can I come on? And he said, well, actually,

771
00:35:49,146 --> 00:35:51,186
Speaker 1: Nate Burleson's out, do you want to host, and so

772
00:35:51,746 --> 00:35:54,186
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen version of Latavius Murray was a host on

773
00:35:54,266 --> 00:35:56,386
Speaker 1: our show. We had a blast, he had thoughts, he

774
00:35:56,426 --> 00:35:58,786
Speaker 1: had takes. Sure Enough, here we are seven years later,

775
00:35:58,826 --> 00:36:01,146
Speaker 1: he's on another team, and I would imagine he's going

776
00:36:01,186 --> 00:36:02,826
Speaker 1: to make the squad and he's still make an impact.

777
00:36:03,346 --> 00:36:04,386
Speaker 3: That's funny. I told him.

778
00:36:04,386 --> 00:36:05,946
Speaker 4: It was like, I thought your film was even better

779
00:36:06,026 --> 00:36:09,506
Speaker 4: last year and pore he talked about some training methods

780
00:36:09,506 --> 00:36:09,746
Speaker 4: he did.

781
00:36:09,786 --> 00:36:13,066
Speaker 3: I thought he really started on New Orleans practice squad.

782
00:36:13,106 --> 00:36:15,066
Speaker 4: They play him in a game, then Denver plucks him

783
00:36:15,066 --> 00:36:18,666
Speaker 4: and he's a big time leader. He's a big, old

784
00:36:18,666 --> 00:36:21,786
Speaker 4: school heavy body back, you know, I think a good

785
00:36:22,706 --> 00:36:24,706
Speaker 4: compliment to you know, to the other guys we.

786
00:36:24,666 --> 00:36:25,226
Speaker 3: Have in the room.

787
00:36:25,946 --> 00:36:28,586
Speaker 1: The Dig stuff, was that all just you know, people

788
00:36:28,626 --> 00:36:31,186
Speaker 1: trying to fill headlines or is everything? I mean, you

789
00:36:31,226 --> 00:36:33,026
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about When he was tweeting and

790
00:36:33,106 --> 00:36:34,906
Speaker 1: I can't even follow it, to be honest, because I'm

791
00:36:34,946 --> 00:36:36,906
Speaker 1: just like, that's a wide receiver. Stefan Dig's a great guy,

792
00:36:36,946 --> 00:36:38,546
Speaker 1: great teammate. I'm not going to get caught up with this.

793
00:36:38,626 --> 00:36:40,826
Speaker 1: But then there was rumors that he wants out and

794
00:36:40,986 --> 00:36:43,386
Speaker 1: the Giants were interested. I don't even you tell me.

795
00:36:43,466 --> 00:36:45,186
Speaker 1: Are we all good with Stefan Diggs as we head

796
00:36:45,186 --> 00:36:46,706
Speaker 1: towards twenty twenty three.

797
00:36:46,946 --> 00:36:49,026
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're We're in a great I think STEP's in

798
00:36:49,066 --> 00:36:50,746
Speaker 4: a great spot. We're in a great spot. I think

799
00:36:50,786 --> 00:36:54,546
Speaker 4: sometimes you just you know, season's end end abruptly, and

800
00:36:55,746 --> 00:36:58,186
Speaker 4: when you work as hard as he or others on

801
00:36:58,186 --> 00:36:59,826
Speaker 4: this team do, and you come up short, like we

802
00:36:59,866 --> 00:37:02,426
Speaker 4: did last season, you leave frustrated. You don't get to

803
00:37:02,466 --> 00:37:03,986
Speaker 4: come back for a week and hang out and talk

804
00:37:04,026 --> 00:37:06,386
Speaker 4: about how it finished or whatever. Everybody kind of go

805
00:37:06,506 --> 00:37:09,506
Speaker 4: is their merry ways. So like anything, there can be

806
00:37:09,506 --> 00:37:11,066
Speaker 4: a lot of smoke in the off season and people

807
00:37:11,106 --> 00:37:13,786
Speaker 4: are looking for headlines. But you know, we felt like

808
00:37:13,826 --> 00:37:16,666
Speaker 4: once we kind of all sat down and shared where

809
00:37:16,666 --> 00:37:18,866
Speaker 4: we where we can get better, where we see things,

810
00:37:18,866 --> 00:37:21,586
Speaker 4: and how we're going, that we we would all get

811
00:37:21,626 --> 00:37:23,826
Speaker 4: on the same page. And I think that's that's what happened.

812
00:37:23,826 --> 00:37:26,706
Speaker 4: And Steph's had a great camp. It's been really good.

813
00:37:26,826 --> 00:37:29,826
Speaker 4: Him and Josh have you know, picked up right where

814
00:37:29,866 --> 00:37:33,426
Speaker 4: they've generally left off. And so no, we don't.

815
00:37:33,466 --> 00:37:34,786
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't see anything.

816
00:37:34,866 --> 00:37:36,706
Speaker 4: I think it's more I think it's more for the

817
00:37:36,746 --> 00:37:38,786
Speaker 4: outside noise than than what actually goes.

818
00:37:38,906 --> 00:37:40,626
Speaker 1: You know, there are certain morning TV shows that need

819
00:37:40,666 --> 00:37:42,946
Speaker 1: to fill three hours every day in June Brandon, so.

820
00:37:45,986 --> 00:37:48,666
Speaker 3: Turn around. But now it's been good. It's been good

821
00:37:48,666 --> 00:37:49,586
Speaker 3: to have step back in here.

822
00:37:49,586 --> 00:37:51,426
Speaker 1: All right, quick stuff about you, because I love this.

823
00:37:51,826 --> 00:37:53,866
Speaker 1: If I lived in Buffalo, I think I would weigh

824
00:37:53,906 --> 00:37:56,266
Speaker 1: six hundred pounds. And I say that just because of

825
00:37:56,306 --> 00:37:58,586
Speaker 1: the food and how good it is and the wings.

826
00:37:58,626 --> 00:38:01,666
Speaker 1: And when I came up in the in the winter

827
00:38:01,786 --> 00:38:03,386
Speaker 1: for a game, you and I got together. We went

828
00:38:03,426 --> 00:38:05,066
Speaker 1: to a spot and even remember what it was called.

829
00:38:05,066 --> 00:38:07,346
Speaker 1: We had some wings. It was fine. But then when

830
00:38:07,386 --> 00:38:09,066
Speaker 1: I said the place that we were going there, every

831
00:38:09,106 --> 00:38:10,666
Speaker 1: single person I spoke to was like, no, you gotta

832
00:38:10,706 --> 00:38:11,666
Speaker 1: go to this one. You gotta go to this one,

833
00:38:11,666 --> 00:38:13,626
Speaker 1: you gotta go to this one. Are you a wings guy?

834
00:38:13,706 --> 00:38:15,306
Speaker 1: To that point? Because you're an incredible shape and so

835
00:38:15,426 --> 00:38:17,786
Speaker 1: is Sean McDermott. And I'm wondering, how do these guys

836
00:38:17,866 --> 00:38:20,466
Speaker 1: resist being just five hundred pounds and being slobs eating

837
00:38:20,506 --> 00:38:21,146
Speaker 1: wings every night?

838
00:38:21,466 --> 00:38:24,106
Speaker 4: Well mcdermot's in a lot better shape than I am.

839
00:38:23,906 --> 00:38:28,386
Speaker 4: I'm trending the wrong way fast, just trying to tread water.

840
00:38:28,626 --> 00:38:30,146
Speaker 3: Just ask my kids. They tell me I'm fat. I

841
00:38:30,186 --> 00:38:30,866
Speaker 3: am all the time.

842
00:38:32,906 --> 00:38:36,506
Speaker 1: That term treading water is basically my August diet. Just

843
00:38:36,546 --> 00:38:38,706
Speaker 1: treaded water. Put me through it.

844
00:38:38,746 --> 00:38:43,546
Speaker 4: Man, It's it's fun. But now it's I do like wings.

845
00:38:43,586 --> 00:38:44,466
Speaker 4: I am particular.

846
00:38:44,786 --> 00:38:45,386
Speaker 1: You got a spot.

847
00:38:45,706 --> 00:38:48,226
Speaker 3: There's some good spots, but bar Bill is my spot.

848
00:38:48,466 --> 00:38:50,706
Speaker 1: Everyone says this, as there's one in Rochester too. I

849
00:38:50,706 --> 00:38:52,586
Speaker 1: think I've been tested, I've been tweeted. All right, they

850
00:38:52,626 --> 00:38:54,906
Speaker 1: just opened it, all right, commercial for barb Bill. Tell

851
00:38:54,946 --> 00:38:56,346
Speaker 1: me why it's the good. It's the best wings. Do

852
00:38:56,346 --> 00:38:58,826
Speaker 1: you go straight barbecue or buffalo or do you have

853
00:38:58,866 --> 00:39:02,186
Speaker 1: like one of these crazy like honey terry, Yucky Malibu blaze,

854
00:39:02,226 --> 00:39:03,186
Speaker 1: Like I don't do that stuff.

855
00:39:03,386 --> 00:39:06,106
Speaker 3: Cajun honey butter barbecue.

856
00:39:05,746 --> 00:39:10,146
Speaker 1: Cajun honey butter barbecue. My mouth is watering. That sounds incredible.

857
00:39:10,346 --> 00:39:10,586
Speaker 3: Yeah.

858
00:39:10,786 --> 00:39:13,146
Speaker 4: Uh. They also have just regular honey butter barbecue if

859
00:39:13,186 --> 00:39:16,186
Speaker 4: you don't like. My wife likes those because she doesn't

860
00:39:16,226 --> 00:39:17,266
Speaker 4: like the spice to it.

861
00:39:17,386 --> 00:39:20,026
Speaker 3: But either one's great. I generally like the.

862
00:39:19,986 --> 00:39:23,186
Speaker 4: Little kick to mine. But they got a great Lagger

863
00:39:23,226 --> 00:39:26,546
Speaker 4: beer as well. It's just it's a great place.

864
00:39:26,546 --> 00:39:28,586
Speaker 1: But the wings are Is it crispy wing or is

865
00:39:28,586 --> 00:39:30,386
Speaker 1: it like a smothered in saucewan. I don't like a

866
00:39:30,466 --> 00:39:34,506
Speaker 1: crispy like crunch. I like a smothered in sauce wings.

867
00:39:34,586 --> 00:39:36,226
Speaker 3: More smothered in sauce.

868
00:39:36,386 --> 00:39:36,706
Speaker 1: Okay.

869
00:39:36,946 --> 00:39:39,426
Speaker 4: And it's just it's hard to say. They literally like

870
00:39:39,466 --> 00:39:43,626
Speaker 4: brush brush it on. It's just it's truly is.

871
00:39:43,226 --> 00:39:44,826
Speaker 1: Is like you're going there tonight. I can tell them

872
00:39:44,826 --> 00:39:46,106
Speaker 1: by the way we're talking. I think you like that

873
00:39:46,226 --> 00:39:48,186
Speaker 1: lust in your eyes thinking about it.

874
00:39:48,186 --> 00:39:52,026
Speaker 4: You're trying to to start thinking about me salivating here.

875
00:39:51,946 --> 00:39:53,346
Speaker 3: In a minute. Uh.

876
00:39:53,426 --> 00:39:55,986
Speaker 1: Okay, Your your journey, which I've talked about before, is

877
00:39:56,026 --> 00:39:58,146
Speaker 1: amazing because you didn't start off being a general manager

878
00:39:58,146 --> 00:40:01,066
Speaker 1: in the NFL. You actually took a different route real

879
00:40:01,146 --> 00:40:05,386
Speaker 1: quick for the listeners, the public relation side of the

880
00:40:05,386 --> 00:40:09,226
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers and how you made the jump because we

881
00:40:09,266 --> 00:40:12,026
Speaker 1: had Brad Holmes on earlier this summer and he told

882
00:40:12,106 --> 00:40:13,746
Speaker 1: us his story and I was so inspired by it,

883
00:40:13,786 --> 00:40:16,906
Speaker 1: same kind of thing PR of the Saint Louis Rams

884
00:40:17,066 --> 00:40:19,906
Speaker 1: and made the jump from PR to the scouting department.

885
00:40:19,946 --> 00:40:23,306
Speaker 1: Did your path if you don't mind in as long

886
00:40:23,346 --> 00:40:25,186
Speaker 1: as you want to take honest honestly. But you get

887
00:40:25,186 --> 00:40:26,506
Speaker 1: in there from the PR side, and then where do

888
00:40:26,546 --> 00:40:27,226
Speaker 1: you go from there?

889
00:40:27,666 --> 00:40:27,866
Speaker 3: Yeah?

890
00:40:27,906 --> 00:40:30,746
Speaker 4: I did six weeks for PR, basically a training camp

891
00:40:30,786 --> 00:40:32,546
Speaker 4: that was back when training camp was six weeks.

892
00:40:32,546 --> 00:40:33,026
Speaker 3: We got there.

893
00:40:33,306 --> 00:40:34,786
Speaker 1: Where was it was it in Carolina?

894
00:40:34,986 --> 00:40:37,866
Speaker 3: It was in Carolinas. Yeah, we were Wafford College, Spartan Burks

895
00:40:37,866 --> 00:40:39,466
Speaker 3: out Wawford. Yeah.

896
00:40:39,586 --> 00:40:43,146
Speaker 4: So it was there through the whole preseason and then

897
00:40:44,146 --> 00:40:46,426
Speaker 4: and then moved over to football Ops for the season.

898
00:40:46,466 --> 00:40:48,306
Speaker 3: I was kind of doing a little bit of player development.

899
00:40:48,546 --> 00:40:51,386
Speaker 4: I was helping the equipment guys, like I was folding tiles,

900
00:40:51,426 --> 00:40:54,226
Speaker 4: helping a practice. And then halfway through the season they

901
00:40:54,226 --> 00:40:56,226
Speaker 4: started traveling me on the road to help the equipment guys.

902
00:40:56,266 --> 00:41:00,186
Speaker 4: I'm holding rain jackets and things for the guys that

903
00:41:00,306 --> 00:41:02,586
Speaker 4: rub their cleats all and like whatever need to be done.

904
00:41:02,666 --> 00:41:04,906
Speaker 4: You just it's all hands on deck. And then after

905
00:41:04,946 --> 00:41:07,466
Speaker 4: that season they hired me full time as a football

906
00:41:07,466 --> 00:41:11,186
Speaker 4: ops assistant, you know, helping set up training camp, lining

907
00:41:11,266 --> 00:41:14,346
Speaker 4: up travel, picking guys up at the airport, taking them

908
00:41:14,346 --> 00:41:15,226
Speaker 4: for physicals.

909
00:41:15,386 --> 00:41:17,546
Speaker 1: Who is your most notable pick up at the airport

910
00:41:17,546 --> 00:41:19,426
Speaker 1: when like a big name free agent came in, Do

911
00:41:19,426 --> 00:41:20,146
Speaker 1: you have a good story.

912
00:41:20,346 --> 00:41:23,986
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I had the funniest visit ever. I had

913
00:41:24,026 --> 00:41:26,906
Speaker 3: a few. But we brought in on the same day

914
00:41:27,026 --> 00:41:28,946
Speaker 3: Charles Haley and Nate Newton.

915
00:41:30,706 --> 00:41:31,266
Speaker 1: Carolina.

916
00:41:31,306 --> 00:41:34,106
Speaker 3: I don't remember this to Carolina. So Charles Haley did

917
00:41:34,106 --> 00:41:36,946
Speaker 3: not sign. I think he ended up signing Detroit, but

918
00:41:36,986 --> 00:41:39,106
Speaker 3: we signed Nate Newton. That was his last year.

919
00:41:39,506 --> 00:41:42,386
Speaker 1: Okay, So they both get off the same flight from Dallas,

920
00:41:42,386 --> 00:41:43,106
Speaker 1: like where are they?

921
00:41:43,226 --> 00:41:45,226
Speaker 4: They were not on the same flight, but they knew

922
00:41:45,266 --> 00:41:47,666
Speaker 4: each other. But they Oh, they obviously knew each other.

923
00:41:49,066 --> 00:41:51,826
Speaker 4: If you had like one of those cameras in a van.

924
00:41:52,266 --> 00:41:54,146
Speaker 4: I can't repeat all what was said.

925
00:41:55,306 --> 00:41:55,906
Speaker 3: Uh, there was.

926
00:41:56,146 --> 00:41:59,146
Speaker 4: There was a lot of stuff, but it was We

927
00:41:59,186 --> 00:42:00,386
Speaker 4: had a lot of laughs.

928
00:42:00,546 --> 00:42:01,506
Speaker 3: And uh it was.

929
00:42:01,506 --> 00:42:03,946
Speaker 4: Cool because as a kid, I'm watching these guys grow

930
00:42:04,026 --> 00:42:06,626
Speaker 4: up fresh out of college and I'm taking a for

931
00:42:06,666 --> 00:42:07,786
Speaker 4: a physical and.

932
00:42:07,706 --> 00:42:09,146
Speaker 3: They're busting each other's chops.

933
00:42:09,146 --> 00:42:11,826
Speaker 4: They're telling stories again because they were back together, and

934
00:42:13,266 --> 00:42:15,986
Speaker 4: I spent an evening, you know, getting them to the

935
00:42:15,986 --> 00:42:18,226
Speaker 4: hotel and I picked them up at like six thirty

936
00:42:18,226 --> 00:42:20,786
Speaker 4: in the morning, take them for the physical, they meet

937
00:42:20,826 --> 00:42:23,106
Speaker 4: the coach, then I take them for lunch, and then

938
00:42:23,146 --> 00:42:25,066
Speaker 4: they go back and meet some meet some more coaches,

939
00:42:25,066 --> 00:42:28,226
Speaker 4: and I take them back to the airport and basically

940
00:42:28,306 --> 00:42:30,386
Speaker 4: Nate Newton's telling them, hey, man, I'm gonna sign here.

941
00:42:30,386 --> 00:42:33,786
Speaker 4: I love it here, and Charles Haley He's trying to

942
00:42:33,786 --> 00:42:36,226
Speaker 4: talk Charles Haley into it and I love this ba

943
00:42:36,346 --> 00:42:38,706
Speaker 4: and forth, and so I go back and report to

944
00:42:39,506 --> 00:42:40,826
Speaker 4: Marty Hernie what the deal is.

945
00:42:40,866 --> 00:42:42,706
Speaker 3: I'm telling Marty like, well, I think.

946
00:42:42,586 --> 00:42:45,026
Speaker 1: Newton's in fence.

947
00:42:45,266 --> 00:42:47,306
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's trying to convince him.

948
00:42:47,666 --> 00:42:52,546
Speaker 4: And so it was definitely we covered some r rated

949
00:42:52,626 --> 00:42:55,826
Speaker 4: and beyond of their life, but it was that was

950
00:42:55,826 --> 00:42:58,586
Speaker 4: probably the most notable. But I picked up Reggie White

951
00:42:58,626 --> 00:43:01,426
Speaker 4: as well from that, right, Yeah, yeah, he finished in

952
00:43:01,466 --> 00:43:04,306
Speaker 4: Carolina as well. One of the nicest.

953
00:43:03,866 --> 00:43:08,546
Speaker 3: People in the world, and it was sad that his

954
00:43:08,626 --> 00:43:09,626
Speaker 3: life and the way it did.

955
00:43:09,666 --> 00:43:13,146
Speaker 4: But yeah, he was telling me get him, get him

956
00:43:13,146 --> 00:43:14,666
Speaker 4: out there, pick him up early. He wanted to get

957
00:43:14,706 --> 00:43:17,506
Speaker 4: in the hot tub for forty minutes to get himself loose,

958
00:43:17,586 --> 00:43:20,106
Speaker 4: and yes, you know, it's just it was cool. So

959
00:43:20,226 --> 00:43:22,066
Speaker 4: definitely had some some characters.

960
00:43:22,346 --> 00:43:22,866
Speaker 3: Eric Swan.

961
00:43:23,386 --> 00:43:25,906
Speaker 1: Eric Swan, which is one of my favorite football stories

962
00:43:25,906 --> 00:43:27,826
Speaker 1: of all time, did not play college football with a

963
00:43:27,866 --> 00:43:29,546
Speaker 1: six overall pick from the cars.

964
00:43:29,866 --> 00:43:32,106
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was around some cool news. It was

965
00:43:32,666 --> 00:43:33,786
Speaker 3: it was fun. You learn a lot.

966
00:43:33,986 --> 00:43:37,066
Speaker 1: You also knew a young Steve Smith, right, Yes, yes

967
00:43:37,426 --> 00:43:40,226
Speaker 1: it was young. What was twenty something? Steve Smith like.

968
00:43:42,466 --> 00:43:46,866
Speaker 3: Even more unfiltered, That's what I would say. But I

969
00:43:46,906 --> 00:43:47,266
Speaker 3: love him.

970
00:43:47,586 --> 00:43:50,706
Speaker 4: His heart was always genuine. You knew where Steve never

971
00:43:50,906 --> 00:43:54,226
Speaker 4: hid how he felt. Still really doesn't today. But I

972
00:43:54,226 --> 00:43:57,786
Speaker 4: would say, Steve, you're still getting a filtered version of Steve.

973
00:43:58,466 --> 00:44:01,146
Speaker 4: I've seen many unfiltered versions. In the two thousand and

974
00:44:01,146 --> 00:44:02,866
Speaker 4: one was as unfiltered as a game.

975
00:44:03,386 --> 00:44:05,786
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love all this stuff. Your one piece of

976
00:44:05,826 --> 00:44:08,826
Speaker 1: advice to a kid who approaches you in the elevator

977
00:44:08,826 --> 00:44:10,866
Speaker 1: at the combine and says, excuse me, stir. Here's my

978
00:44:10,946 --> 00:44:13,866
Speaker 1: resume printed out. I'm twenty two years old. I just

979
00:44:13,906 --> 00:44:17,226
Speaker 1: graduated from John Carroll or I went to Amhurst, and

980
00:44:17,226 --> 00:44:18,626
Speaker 1: I want to get into being a GM and I

981
00:44:18,706 --> 00:44:20,986
Speaker 1: drove myself to Indianapolis. What would be your one piece

982
00:44:20,986 --> 00:44:23,106
Speaker 1: of advice for me getting into the league.

983
00:44:23,666 --> 00:44:26,306
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean to me, it is hard, it really is.

984
00:44:26,386 --> 00:44:30,386
Speaker 4: But go get experience wherever you're at. If you're in college,

985
00:44:30,866 --> 00:44:32,666
Speaker 4: go work in the athletic office. If you've got a

986
00:44:32,706 --> 00:44:34,906
Speaker 4: football program there, go work for there. If you've got

987
00:44:34,946 --> 00:44:38,186
Speaker 4: a minor league baseball team in town, like, just get

988
00:44:38,266 --> 00:44:41,226
Speaker 4: skins on the wall. Work with different people. A You're

989
00:44:41,226 --> 00:44:44,386
Speaker 4: going to meet different people from different walks of life.

990
00:44:44,546 --> 00:44:47,906
Speaker 4: You may work with someone in an NBA team that

991
00:44:47,946 --> 00:44:51,386
Speaker 4: actually knows someone in the NFL, or a tripa a

992
00:44:51,546 --> 00:44:54,826
Speaker 4: baseball team that knows someone in the NBA or the NFL,

993
00:44:54,906 --> 00:44:58,106
Speaker 4: whatever it is. Just get out there, work. Don't worry

994
00:44:58,106 --> 00:45:00,626
Speaker 4: about the money. Tell people that do not worry about

995
00:45:00,626 --> 00:45:03,026
Speaker 4: the money. If you want to be in sports, don't

996
00:45:03,106 --> 00:45:06,666
Speaker 4: chase the money. Yes, I'm fortunate now, but this was

997
00:45:06,706 --> 00:45:10,666
Speaker 4: a long shot here. I enjoyed every step of the journey.

998
00:45:10,706 --> 00:45:13,466
Speaker 4: And if I was, you know, still a football office

999
00:45:13,506 --> 00:45:17,626
Speaker 4: assistant or you know, director of football operations, whatever titles

1000
00:45:17,706 --> 00:45:20,146
Speaker 4: I've had, I guarantee I would have been just as

1001
00:45:20,186 --> 00:45:22,186
Speaker 4: happy life I was living.

1002
00:45:22,226 --> 00:45:24,426
Speaker 3: So you gotta love it. It's crazy hours.

1003
00:45:25,226 --> 00:45:27,786
Speaker 4: You got to make sure if you're getting married, girl,

1004
00:45:27,826 --> 00:45:29,506
Speaker 4: you know, a wife or husband or whatever it is,

1005
00:45:29,546 --> 00:45:33,386
Speaker 4: that they are on board the weekends, because I've seen

1006
00:45:33,426 --> 00:45:36,666
Speaker 4: many get in a few years in their their their

1007
00:45:36,706 --> 00:45:40,146
Speaker 4: other half does not like the schedule, and it starts

1008
00:45:40,186 --> 00:45:42,506
Speaker 4: causing some friction and they got to make a move.

1009
00:45:42,666 --> 00:45:44,786
Speaker 4: So just try to tell them to be upfront with

1010
00:45:44,826 --> 00:45:49,506
Speaker 4: whoever their significant other is and and you know, just

1011
00:45:49,506 --> 00:45:51,666
Speaker 4: just be ready for if you're living in one side

1012
00:45:51,666 --> 00:45:53,546
Speaker 4: of the country and someone calls you the other side,

1013
00:45:53,666 --> 00:45:57,546
Speaker 4: be able to apartment up in a day and say I'll.

1014
00:45:57,346 --> 00:45:59,826
Speaker 1: Be there tomorrow, Brandon, I love this. And back to

1015
00:45:59,826 --> 00:46:02,626
Speaker 1: the significant other thing. Here's what I've learned now that

1016
00:46:02,626 --> 00:46:05,666
Speaker 1: I've got two kids and you've obviously your great dad.

1017
00:46:05,706 --> 00:46:08,306
Speaker 1: Be present when you are around, right, make the most

1018
00:46:08,346 --> 00:46:11,026
Speaker 1: of that time, because that's a major compromise. I'm not

1019
00:46:11,066 --> 00:46:12,106
Speaker 1: going to be you know, I'm not going to be

1020
00:46:12,146 --> 00:46:14,506
Speaker 1: there for any weekends over the football season. But hey,

1021
00:46:15,106 --> 00:46:16,746
Speaker 1: I've got a rare job where there are a couple

1022
00:46:16,786 --> 00:46:19,186
Speaker 1: of weeks in June in early July where I am around,

1023
00:46:19,266 --> 00:46:20,746
Speaker 1: Like it, wouldn't you be that? That be your piece

1024
00:46:20,746 --> 00:46:22,186
Speaker 1: of advice to make the most of that time.

1025
00:46:22,506 --> 00:46:25,306
Speaker 4: Oh, you got to, you could, because you're going to

1026
00:46:25,346 --> 00:46:28,266
Speaker 4: be a better employee for the organization if if your

1027
00:46:28,266 --> 00:46:31,186
Speaker 4: home life's good and you're doing everything there, if you're

1028
00:46:31,466 --> 00:46:33,546
Speaker 4: if you're leaving things out and you don't want to

1029
00:46:33,586 --> 00:46:35,826
Speaker 4: regret We've seen it in this in this sport where

1030
00:46:36,226 --> 00:46:40,866
Speaker 4: you hear coaches or you know whatever, executives that didn't

1031
00:46:40,906 --> 00:46:43,466
Speaker 4: wann't really around their kids and they missed their whole

1032
00:46:43,626 --> 00:46:45,706
Speaker 4: their whole livelihood or they're you know, watching them play

1033
00:46:45,746 --> 00:46:49,146
Speaker 4: sports or play the piano or whatever their passion, whatever

1034
00:46:49,146 --> 00:46:50,186
Speaker 4: their kids passion is.

1035
00:46:51,066 --> 00:46:52,386
Speaker 3: You know, it's very important for me to.

1036
00:46:52,586 --> 00:46:54,426
Speaker 4: Make sure to tell our staff here, and I know

1037
00:46:54,546 --> 00:46:57,626
Speaker 4: Sean does as well as Listen, we got plenty of hours,

1038
00:46:57,626 --> 00:46:59,266
Speaker 4: but if your kids playing a game and you can

1039
00:46:59,266 --> 00:47:00,946
Speaker 4: get there, it's not going to interfere with this job.

1040
00:47:01,866 --> 00:47:04,346
Speaker 4: I expect you to be there. It will be pissed

1041
00:47:04,346 --> 00:47:04,906
Speaker 4: if you If.

1042
00:47:04,826 --> 00:47:05,746
Speaker 1: You do, I love that.

1043
00:47:06,106 --> 00:47:07,386
Speaker 3: Yeah, So it's you.

1044
00:47:07,426 --> 00:47:10,426
Speaker 4: Gotta you gotta have that that that balance because it's

1045
00:47:10,466 --> 00:47:12,386
Speaker 4: hard enough as it is with the hour. So when

1046
00:47:12,426 --> 00:47:14,706
Speaker 4: you can get home and support your you know, your

1047
00:47:15,066 --> 00:47:19,106
Speaker 4: significant other and definitely your kids, that's huge.

1048
00:47:19,226 --> 00:47:19,386
Speaker 3: You know.

1049
00:47:19,586 --> 00:47:21,786
Speaker 4: The last thing you want to do is be great

1050
00:47:21,826 --> 00:47:24,106
Speaker 4: at work and screw it up at home.

1051
00:47:24,306 --> 00:47:27,466
Speaker 1: Man, that's great. My last one with you because I

1052
00:47:27,506 --> 00:47:29,706
Speaker 1: texted you earlier this summer that I'm picking up golf

1053
00:47:29,706 --> 00:47:32,306
Speaker 1: for the first time. I've told the podcast listeners my

1054
00:47:32,346 --> 00:47:35,226
Speaker 1: wife has a gift bought me clubs. I got the

1055
00:47:35,226 --> 00:47:37,426
Speaker 1: clubs I got in the course, and I've been trying

1056
00:47:37,426 --> 00:47:39,466
Speaker 1: to mooch off people to be invited to their clubs.

1057
00:47:39,506 --> 00:47:41,466
Speaker 1: I've played the public courses. I've done it all. I've

1058
00:47:41,466 --> 00:47:45,386
Speaker 1: been trying. I'm terrible. But you you've always been playing.

1059
00:47:45,386 --> 00:47:47,626
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna ask you three golf questions. Rattle them

1060
00:47:47,626 --> 00:47:51,946
Speaker 1: off rapid fire. One your favorite golfer at the moment

1061
00:47:52,146 --> 00:47:52,546
Speaker 1: is home.

1062
00:47:53,906 --> 00:47:56,386
Speaker 3: Oh, that's a great one.

1063
00:47:56,666 --> 00:48:00,946
Speaker 4: Probably Rory. Yeah, yeah, big Rory fan. And he's actually

1064
00:48:02,226 --> 00:48:03,946
Speaker 4: his wife from Rochester.

1065
00:48:03,586 --> 00:48:07,106
Speaker 3: Up here and really yeah and her family.

1066
00:48:07,106 --> 00:48:09,026
Speaker 4: Thanks for Okilla, And I think he is a member

1067
00:48:09,386 --> 00:48:12,466
Speaker 4: here at o'kill across the streets. So I've enjoyed watching

1068
00:48:12,466 --> 00:48:14,346
Speaker 4: his game and I think it's it's been cool to

1069
00:48:14,346 --> 00:48:15,826
Speaker 4: watch him Back to PGA.

1070
00:48:15,586 --> 00:48:18,666
Speaker 1: Tour, I love it. The coolest course you've played at.

1071
00:48:19,706 --> 00:48:22,026
Speaker 3: It's I go back and forth.

1072
00:48:22,066 --> 00:48:25,626
Speaker 4: I mean in America, Pebble Beach, just it's just so beautiful.

1073
00:48:25,666 --> 00:48:28,786
Speaker 4: It's not the hardest, but just the scenery is It's crazy.

1074
00:48:28,786 --> 00:48:32,106
Speaker 4: But went to Scotland last summer, did you? And eight

1075
00:48:32,146 --> 00:48:35,026
Speaker 4: of us went over there and the courses over there,

1076
00:48:35,066 --> 00:48:36,866
Speaker 4: I mean, all of them are great, but there's a

1077
00:48:36,906 --> 00:48:41,186
Speaker 4: couple that were just kings barns over there.

1078
00:48:41,226 --> 00:48:43,146
Speaker 3: Was was was amazing.

1079
00:48:43,146 --> 00:48:45,586
Speaker 4: There was there was a few that were just you know,

1080
00:48:45,666 --> 00:48:47,066
Speaker 4: blow your blow your socks off.

1081
00:48:47,626 --> 00:48:49,546
Speaker 3: I loved if you could tell me I.

1082
00:48:49,506 --> 00:48:53,066
Speaker 4: Can go anywhere to play golf for a week right now, Scotland.

1083
00:48:53,146 --> 00:48:55,306
Speaker 3: I would go right back to Scotland really and do

1084
00:48:55,386 --> 00:48:57,466
Speaker 3: that again. It's it's did I see.

1085
00:48:57,266 --> 00:48:59,226
Speaker 1: That the Ryder Cup is in Italy this year?

1086
00:49:00,466 --> 00:49:01,826
Speaker 3: I don't know it made someone said that.

1087
00:49:02,346 --> 00:49:05,306
Speaker 1: I'm like, that sounds cool. So uh, back to the Scout.

1088
00:49:05,506 --> 00:49:07,826
Speaker 1: Have you ever played on I assume you've been to

1089
00:49:07,866 --> 00:49:09,986
Speaker 1: the Masters because I see Josh Allen there all the time.

1090
00:49:09,986 --> 00:49:11,906
Speaker 1: I figure he's taking his GM who's paying hie hundred

1091
00:49:11,906 --> 00:49:13,706
Speaker 1: million dollars, He's going to take you as a guest, right.

1092
00:49:14,306 --> 00:49:15,986
Speaker 4: I have not gotten to play it, but I have.

1093
00:49:17,586 --> 00:49:22,026
Speaker 4: I did meet someone this year, you know, through someone

1094
00:49:22,026 --> 00:49:25,906
Speaker 4: at the Kentucky Derby and they're planning to take me

1095
00:49:25,906 --> 00:49:26,226
Speaker 4: out there.

1096
00:49:26,466 --> 00:49:27,226
Speaker 3: You know I was going to do it.

1097
00:49:27,266 --> 00:49:29,026
Speaker 4: I actually doing a pot I did a podcast with

1098
00:49:29,146 --> 00:49:30,186
Speaker 4: him that's coming out later.

1099
00:49:31,426 --> 00:49:33,866
Speaker 1: So whatever, don't any money, let me just come.

1100
00:49:34,066 --> 00:49:34,786
Speaker 3: That was the deal.

1101
00:49:34,826 --> 00:49:38,666
Speaker 4: Do the podcast and we would go out to uh Augustus.

1102
00:49:38,706 --> 00:49:41,346
Speaker 4: So that's supposedly coming up sometime in the next twelve months.

1103
00:49:41,426 --> 00:49:43,146
Speaker 1: Dude, I can't wait. And my last one with the

1104
00:49:43,146 --> 00:49:45,706
Speaker 1: golf because I think when Nick, you know, I'm a casual,

1105
00:49:46,386 --> 00:49:48,986
Speaker 1: your real deal. What's the best round you've ever played?

1106
00:49:48,986 --> 00:49:49,866
Speaker 1: And where did you play it?

1107
00:49:50,626 --> 00:49:53,266
Speaker 4: The best round was sixty nine. It was a country

1108
00:49:53,266 --> 00:49:55,706
Speaker 4: club in Buffalo back here. I shot it in the

1109
00:49:55,786 --> 00:49:58,066
Speaker 4: summer of twenty eighteen. It was my second summer.

1110
00:49:58,306 --> 00:50:01,026
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, at double bogie the first hole, Did you really.

1111
00:50:00,946 --> 00:50:02,306
Speaker 1: Because I was going to say, like, when you have

1112
00:50:02,346 --> 00:50:03,666
Speaker 1: a round like that, do you even have room for

1113
00:50:03,706 --> 00:50:05,866
Speaker 1: a bogie or is it just par park the whole way?

1114
00:50:05,946 --> 00:50:10,666
Speaker 4: Yeah, screwed up and bladed a sandwich on the first

1115
00:50:10,706 --> 00:50:13,506
Speaker 4: hole across the green and ended up making double and

1116
00:50:13,986 --> 00:50:16,226
Speaker 4: after that I had no blem issues. I had three

1117
00:50:16,226 --> 00:50:18,306
Speaker 4: birdies after that to get It's a par seventy, so

1118
00:50:18,346 --> 00:50:18,946
Speaker 4: I got got.

1119
00:50:18,866 --> 00:50:19,666
Speaker 3: It back to one under.

1120
00:50:20,146 --> 00:50:21,306
Speaker 1: Have you read a home on one?

1121
00:50:21,866 --> 00:50:22,986
Speaker 3: Yes, two thousand and eight.

1122
00:50:23,946 --> 00:50:26,026
Speaker 1: Look, if I asked you, like, who was the third

1123
00:50:26,106 --> 00:50:28,186
Speaker 1: round picker that you guys had last year, you might

1124
00:50:28,226 --> 00:50:30,466
Speaker 1: you might you might stumble No. Two thousand and eight.

1125
00:50:30,586 --> 00:50:31,186
Speaker 1: Where was it?

1126
00:50:31,506 --> 00:50:34,266
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a place called the Witch. It's down

1127
00:50:34,306 --> 00:50:38,266
Speaker 4: in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina. So I was playing with

1128
00:50:38,306 --> 00:50:41,266
Speaker 4: a few guys down there, and yeah, it was. It

1129
00:50:41,306 --> 00:50:42,746
Speaker 4: was on the back now I think it was Hold

1130
00:50:42,946 --> 00:50:47,426
Speaker 4: twelve was one hundred and sixty yards and the guys

1131
00:50:47,426 --> 00:50:49,026
Speaker 4: in the group's all going before I did.

1132
00:50:49,066 --> 00:50:50,066
Speaker 3: I thought they were messing with me.

1133
00:50:50,266 --> 00:50:52,866
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotcha, I started it was.

1134
00:50:52,906 --> 00:50:53,386
Speaker 3: It was wild.

1135
00:50:53,706 --> 00:50:55,746
Speaker 1: The parallels of playing golf and being a GM are

1136
00:50:55,786 --> 00:50:57,666
Speaker 1: there any? Do you see any similarities? Or is this

1137
00:50:57,706 --> 00:50:59,426
Speaker 1: your total? You know, take your foot off the pedal.

1138
00:50:59,426 --> 00:51:00,426
Speaker 1: That's where you go to escape.

1139
00:51:00,986 --> 00:51:02,266
Speaker 3: It is where I go to escape.

1140
00:51:02,306 --> 00:51:05,306
Speaker 4: I mean you listen, like in anything that you that

1141
00:51:05,386 --> 00:51:07,346
Speaker 4: you want to be good at, to be mentally tough,

1142
00:51:07,386 --> 00:51:08,946
Speaker 4: and you're gonna have adversity.

1143
00:51:08,946 --> 00:51:10,386
Speaker 3: You can have adversity on the course. You can have

1144
00:51:10,506 --> 00:51:11,746
Speaker 3: adversity in this job, and.

1145
00:51:11,666 --> 00:51:16,306
Speaker 4: So just find the positive from it and learn from

1146
00:51:16,346 --> 00:51:17,066
Speaker 4: what you did wrong.

1147
00:51:17,106 --> 00:51:18,826
Speaker 3: And so those are probably the parallels.

1148
00:51:19,066 --> 00:51:22,106
Speaker 1: Love it, Brandon, No thirty five minutes, Just like that.

1149
00:51:22,466 --> 00:51:24,706
Speaker 1: Appreciate it, bro, fantastic.

1150
00:51:24,466 --> 00:51:27,906
Speaker 3: Easy, always easy with you, buddy, anytime you know that great.

1151
00:51:28,306 --> 00:51:29,826
Speaker 1: I've got to make my super Bowl pick in the

1152
00:51:29,866 --> 00:51:31,706
Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. It might be Bills, it might

1153
00:51:31,706 --> 00:51:33,026
Speaker 1: not be, but you don't hold it against me when

1154
00:51:33,026 --> 00:51:35,786
Speaker 1: it's not right. No, no, no, it's usually wrong anyway.

1155
00:51:36,266 --> 00:51:39,746
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, everybody picked us last year, so I just

1156
00:51:39,786 --> 00:51:41,386
Speaker 4: assumed nobody pick us, and let's just.

1157
00:51:41,306 --> 00:51:44,506
Speaker 1: Be probably better off. Let's go play football. Bill's Jets

1158
00:51:44,546 --> 00:51:46,546
Speaker 1: Monday night, Week one. Brandon Bean, you'll be up in

1159
00:51:46,546 --> 00:51:49,226
Speaker 1: that in that booth watching with your binoculars. I'm sure

1160
00:51:49,226 --> 00:51:51,146
Speaker 1: I'll see you on the broadcast and hopefully i'll see

1161
00:51:51,146 --> 00:51:53,586
Speaker 1: you there. You're the man. Thanks for joining GM and

1162
00:51:53,586 --> 00:51:54,826
Speaker 1: the Buffalo Bills. Brandon Bean.

1163
00:51:55,666 --> 00:51:57,346
Speaker 3: Thanks, Peter, I'll see you so, buddy.

1164
00:52:17,906 --> 00:52:20,866
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean's the man. I love having him on and

1165
00:52:20,906 --> 00:52:22,706
Speaker 1: I'm rooting for him, I really am. I feel like

1166
00:52:22,746 --> 00:52:24,306
Speaker 1: a Bill super Bowl one of these years would be

1167
00:52:24,386 --> 00:52:26,466
Speaker 1: a great thing for the city, but also for that guy,

1168
00:52:26,466 --> 00:52:29,466
Speaker 1: as you could tell, good friend of mine and a great,

1169
00:52:29,786 --> 00:52:33,626
Speaker 1: great evaluator. Another good friend of mine is on the

1170
00:52:33,666 --> 00:52:37,386
Speaker 1: phone at the moment. Yes, the phone. He doesn't do zoom,

1171
00:52:37,426 --> 00:52:39,626
Speaker 1: he doesn't do riverside, he doesn't do any of these things.

1172
00:52:39,666 --> 00:52:42,026
Speaker 1: He does the phone. And then we have to use

1173
00:52:42,066 --> 00:52:43,706
Speaker 1: his audio from the phone. Whould drop it And it's

1174
00:52:43,706 --> 00:52:45,626
Speaker 1: one of my best friends from growing up, and he's

1175
00:52:45,626 --> 00:52:47,626
Speaker 1: been a regular guest during the football season. You haven't

1176
00:52:47,626 --> 00:52:50,106
Speaker 1: heard from a much. It's my buddy, Dietro Deetro. What's up, man,

1177
00:52:50,546 --> 00:52:51,386
Speaker 1: Peter Schrager.

1178
00:52:51,746 --> 00:52:54,346
Speaker 7: Thanks for having me back again. Every time I'm on,

1179
00:52:54,426 --> 00:52:57,426
Speaker 7: it's always a tough follow. Now I'm following Brandon Bean.

1180
00:52:57,786 --> 00:53:00,466
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean's an Executive of the Year, one of the

1181
00:53:00,546 --> 00:53:03,466
Speaker 1: greatest GMS in the last twenty years. And now here

1182
00:53:03,466 --> 00:53:05,546
Speaker 1: you are a childhood pala mine and you are the

1183
00:53:06,026 --> 00:53:07,906
Speaker 1: main event or the dessert, however you want to put it.

1184
00:53:07,906 --> 00:53:09,626
Speaker 1: But I want to bring you on specifically, not for

1185
00:53:09,666 --> 00:53:11,466
Speaker 1: your football thoughts. I know you've got football thoughts. I

1186
00:53:11,506 --> 00:53:13,946
Speaker 1: know you've got lots of thoughts on Saquan's contract, but

1187
00:53:14,026 --> 00:53:18,746
Speaker 1: more about what these next few days meant to you

1188
00:53:18,826 --> 00:53:21,906
Speaker 1: and me as kids. And let me explain to the listeners.

1189
00:53:22,586 --> 00:53:27,106
Speaker 1: Dietro and I went to summer camp together. This is

1190
00:53:27,186 --> 00:53:30,586
Speaker 1: not for everyone. This is very niche a Northeast thing,

1191
00:53:30,626 --> 00:53:33,586
Speaker 1: if you will. Dietro and I went to summer camp together.

1192
00:53:33,626 --> 00:53:35,226
Speaker 1: We didn't grow up in the same town. He grew

1193
00:53:35,306 --> 00:53:36,706
Speaker 1: up in a town in Long Island. I grew up

1194
00:53:36,746 --> 00:53:39,346
Speaker 1: in New Jersey. Our parents could not stand us. They

1195
00:53:39,426 --> 00:53:41,786
Speaker 1: would send us away to a sleepway camp where we

1196
00:53:41,906 --> 00:53:44,346
Speaker 1: learn how to build fires and sing songs and tell

1197
00:53:44,386 --> 00:53:48,266
Speaker 1: scary stories and do pranks. But the last few days

1198
00:53:48,506 --> 00:53:52,586
Speaker 1: of the summer camp season was something called color war.

1199
00:53:53,426 --> 00:53:56,426
Speaker 1: And right now colour war is starting at our camp,

1200
00:53:56,466 --> 00:53:59,706
Speaker 1: Camp La Conda, where we went, and camps across the

1201
00:53:59,826 --> 00:54:05,706
Speaker 1: main Pennsylvania, Upstate New York, locate, geography, whatever you want

1202
00:54:05,746 --> 00:54:07,866
Speaker 1: to say. Camps are all going on right now, and

1203
00:54:07,866 --> 00:54:10,186
Speaker 1: it's colour war. It's the last thing of the summer detro.

1204
00:54:10,226 --> 00:54:11,826
Speaker 1: Why don't you tell our listeners who may have never

1205
00:54:11,906 --> 00:54:14,146
Speaker 1: heard of summer camp or never heard of color war,

1206
00:54:14,946 --> 00:54:16,666
Speaker 1: what color war is?

1207
00:54:17,586 --> 00:54:18,386
Speaker 3: Okay, So.

1208
00:54:19,826 --> 00:54:24,066
Speaker 7: Taking to the fact that you start up at summer

1209
00:54:24,066 --> 00:54:27,146
Speaker 7: camp right around the third week of June, so you're

1210
00:54:27,226 --> 00:54:30,706
Speaker 7: there for about six weeks in a row, and it's

1211
00:54:30,786 --> 00:54:34,346
Speaker 7: you and call it maybe about twenty other guys that

1212
00:54:34,426 --> 00:54:37,866
Speaker 7: are in your age group, and the whole summer all

1213
00:54:37,906 --> 00:54:40,546
Speaker 7: you're doing, you're hanging out, you're having a good time,

1214
00:54:40,626 --> 00:54:44,546
Speaker 7: you're playing sports, you're going swimming, you're doing everything that's

1215
00:54:44,746 --> 00:54:49,746
Speaker 7: just based around you. Just having fun for six straight

1216
00:54:49,826 --> 00:54:53,386
Speaker 7: weeks at a summer camp, and it's unbelievable. And then

1217
00:54:53,506 --> 00:54:56,946
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, the last week of camp, they say, Okay,

1218
00:54:57,426 --> 00:55:01,226
Speaker 7: there's four hundred campers or so that are here this summer.

1219
00:55:01,426 --> 00:55:03,826
Speaker 3: We are going to split you up into two teams.

1220
00:55:04,106 --> 00:55:06,226
Speaker 7: There's two hundred on this side and two hundred on

1221
00:55:06,226 --> 00:55:08,506
Speaker 7: that side, and it goes by age, whatever group that

1222
00:55:08,546 --> 00:55:11,786
Speaker 7: you're in. And for the next three and a half

1223
00:55:11,826 --> 00:55:14,586
Speaker 7: to four days, you are going to be split up

1224
00:55:14,586 --> 00:55:17,706
Speaker 7: with the guys or girls your age, and you are

1225
00:55:17,746 --> 00:55:21,546
Speaker 7: just gonna do every athletic competition against one another in

1226
00:55:21,786 --> 00:55:26,586
Speaker 7: just wild competitive nature, scores being kept.

1227
00:55:26,746 --> 00:55:28,946
Speaker 3: Everybody's split apart. It tears you.

1228
00:55:29,426 --> 00:55:31,866
Speaker 7: It tears you apart so much that the old saying

1229
00:55:31,906 --> 00:55:33,306
Speaker 7: in slip boy camps was.

1230
00:55:33,506 --> 00:55:34,706
Speaker 3: No color war in the bunks.

1231
00:55:34,866 --> 00:55:37,346
Speaker 6: Remember that beater, no color, No color were allowed on

1232
00:55:37,346 --> 00:55:39,146
Speaker 6: the bunks. When you're out on the soccer field, the

1233
00:55:39,146 --> 00:55:40,386
Speaker 6: basketball court, that color war.

1234
00:55:40,706 --> 00:55:40,986
Speaker 3: You're up.

1235
00:55:41,066 --> 00:55:42,906
Speaker 7: If you're out in the dining hall and you sit

1236
00:55:42,986 --> 00:55:45,146
Speaker 7: at the table, says color are You're screaming back and forth,

1237
00:55:45,426 --> 00:55:47,026
Speaker 7: back and forth at each other. But when you get

1238
00:55:47,026 --> 00:55:49,146
Speaker 7: back to the bunk, everybody has to take a step back.

1239
00:55:49,346 --> 00:55:52,386
Speaker 7: No Color were allowing the bunks because otherwise you'd overflow.

1240
00:55:51,986 --> 00:55:54,306
Speaker 8: And just it would be too competitive that there might

1241
00:55:54,466 --> 00:55:56,906
Speaker 8: be fights that are up in the bunk and you

1242
00:55:57,146 --> 00:56:02,106
Speaker 8: just spend three or four days doing everything competitive against

1243
00:56:02,106 --> 00:56:04,946
Speaker 8: the guy that maybe slept in the bunk bed above

1244
00:56:06,066 --> 00:56:08,706
Speaker 8: who it was your best friend for the past six weeks,

1245
00:56:08,746 --> 00:56:10,826
Speaker 8: and now you guys hate each other because.

1246
00:56:10,546 --> 00:56:12,066
Speaker 6: You're on opposite sides of the aisle.

1247
00:56:12,426 --> 00:56:15,346
Speaker 7: It's it's just the most amazing four day span of

1248
00:56:15,386 --> 00:56:16,226
Speaker 7: the summer for you.

1249
00:56:16,466 --> 00:56:19,866
Speaker 6: And this right now, this sort of second week of August.

1250
00:56:20,066 --> 00:56:23,466
Speaker 7: If you're someone who's in our age bracket and you

1251
00:56:23,546 --> 00:56:26,866
Speaker 7: went to Sleepway camp, did this. If you're logging on

1252
00:56:26,986 --> 00:56:29,226
Speaker 7: the Facebook, you're logging on Instagram, whatever it is you,

1253
00:56:29,946 --> 00:56:32,106
Speaker 7: you your friends.

1254
00:56:31,826 --> 00:56:32,786
Speaker 6: Of yours that I have kids.

1255
00:56:32,826 --> 00:56:35,426
Speaker 7: You're seeing all the live stories that are popping up,

1256
00:56:35,466 --> 00:56:37,186
Speaker 7: and everything is happening you.

1257
00:56:37,826 --> 00:56:40,786
Speaker 6: You can't escape it. But then it's so amazing, and

1258
00:56:40,906 --> 00:56:42,786
Speaker 6: all of a sudden, guys you haven't spoken to twenty

1259
00:56:42,826 --> 00:56:44,506
Speaker 6: years are texting you and being like, oh my god,

1260
00:56:44,546 --> 00:56:47,826
Speaker 6: you remember this from Color. Remember It's just the most

1261
00:56:47,906 --> 00:56:49,666
Speaker 6: amazing flashback. I love it.

1262
00:56:51,626 --> 00:56:53,066
Speaker 1: We were texting about it. It's like I got to

1263
00:56:53,066 --> 00:56:54,746
Speaker 1: come on the podcast and explain the school field. Don't

1264
00:56:54,746 --> 00:56:57,066
Speaker 1: even know it is. But I don't remember who won

1265
00:56:57,106 --> 00:56:59,506
Speaker 1: Color War any year, but I remember exploits from Color War,

1266
00:56:59,666 --> 00:57:02,106
Speaker 1: like I remember there was something called the relay and

1267
00:57:02,146 --> 00:57:06,386
Speaker 1: then you heroically threw a softball through a tire before

1268
00:57:06,546 --> 00:57:10,066
Speaker 1: our friend. And it's still it was probably thirty years ago,

1269
00:57:10,146 --> 00:57:12,066
Speaker 1: it's still one of your best athletic moments, if not

1270
00:57:12,106 --> 00:57:13,066
Speaker 1: your best life moments.

1271
00:57:13,146 --> 00:57:16,826
Speaker 7: Right, It's something that set me up for the path

1272
00:57:16,866 --> 00:57:18,026
Speaker 7: of success.

1273
00:57:19,026 --> 00:57:21,666
Speaker 1: How old were you when you threw a softball through attire?

1274
00:57:22,026 --> 00:57:22,906
Speaker 6: I was fifteen?

1275
00:57:25,146 --> 00:57:27,426
Speaker 1: And what would you say? How did that set you

1276
00:57:27,546 --> 00:57:29,066
Speaker 1: up for a path of success?

1277
00:57:29,626 --> 00:57:32,386
Speaker 7: It just let you know you win there. You always

1278
00:57:32,426 --> 00:57:34,986
Speaker 7: have that story in your back pocket. You'll always do.

1279
00:57:35,546 --> 00:57:38,146
Speaker 7: And you know, as you get a little bit older

1280
00:57:38,186 --> 00:57:40,266
Speaker 7: and you grow up on Long Island or in New

1281
00:57:40,346 --> 00:57:43,346
Speaker 7: Jersey or in that camping world, as you go off

1282
00:57:43,346 --> 00:57:45,826
Speaker 7: to college and you start to meet new people, you

1283
00:57:45,866 --> 00:57:49,026
Speaker 7: start to sort of make connections and you meet someone

1284
00:57:49,026 --> 00:57:51,746
Speaker 7: who knows someone or a friend of a friend, and

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00:57:51,826 --> 00:57:55,866
Speaker 7: it's it's the most amazing icebreaker you can have, is

1286
00:57:55,946 --> 00:57:58,786
Speaker 7: if you know a camp's friend's friend or a friend

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00:57:58,786 --> 00:58:00,746
Speaker 7: of somebody who went to camp with someone you know,

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00:58:00,986 --> 00:58:03,826
Speaker 7: or something like that. And right away you bring up Colorward,

1289
00:58:03,866 --> 00:58:06,386
Speaker 7: you bring up the souffle throat. They know, everyone knows

1290
00:58:06,506 --> 00:58:09,226
Speaker 7: how it is because every camp out there has some

1291
00:58:09,306 --> 00:58:13,306
Speaker 7: sort of a final event that everybody's watching that when

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00:58:13,346 --> 00:58:16,786
Speaker 7: you're eight, nine, ten years old, you wish.

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00:58:16,506 --> 00:58:18,426
Speaker 6: And you hope and you can't wait to be.

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00:58:18,386 --> 00:58:19,066
Speaker 3: Able to do that.

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00:58:19,346 --> 00:58:21,066
Speaker 7: And then when you actually do it and you win,

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00:58:21,906 --> 00:58:24,266
Speaker 7: you're able to tell that story to anybody who's been

1297
00:58:24,266 --> 00:58:25,986
Speaker 7: in the camper world and they get it and they

1298
00:58:26,026 --> 00:58:28,186
Speaker 7: respect it, and the ice is broken, and you can

1299
00:58:28,226 --> 00:58:30,706
Speaker 7: discuss anything you want, whether it's friends, if you're in

1300
00:58:30,746 --> 00:58:31,546
Speaker 7: the business.

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00:58:31,186 --> 00:58:34,026
Speaker 6: World, anything you want. The walls come down and any

1302
00:58:34,146 --> 00:58:35,266
Speaker 6: the doors are open to you.

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Speaker 1: Todd, thank you. Let me ask you one more question

1304
00:58:40,106 --> 00:58:41,786
Speaker 1: because you had to take that no one else had.

1305
00:58:42,506 --> 00:58:46,226
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's comments on Nathaniel Hackett go I.

1306
00:58:46,186 --> 00:58:51,466
Speaker 6: Mean me personally, I kind of love those comments. I mean,

1307
00:58:53,426 --> 00:58:54,666
Speaker 6: the Broncos.

1308
00:58:54,146 --> 00:58:56,226
Speaker 7: Were more or less the worst team in the league

1309
00:58:56,306 --> 00:59:00,506
Speaker 7: last year, and you know, Nathaniel Hackett, whether whether it's

1310
00:59:00,506 --> 00:59:03,186
Speaker 7: his fault or not, he's the head coach that's all

1311
00:59:03,226 --> 00:59:03,706
Speaker 7: his fault.

1312
00:59:04,346 --> 00:59:05,866
Speaker 6: They hired Sean Payton for a reason.

1313
00:59:05,946 --> 00:59:06,626
Speaker 3: John Payton and.

1314
00:59:06,706 --> 00:59:09,946
Speaker 6: Has a long line of credibility behind him.

1315
00:59:10,226 --> 00:59:12,306
Speaker 7: You know, there's very few coaches left in the league

1316
00:59:12,466 --> 00:59:15,906
Speaker 7: that have Lombardi Trophy's sitting on their walls.

1317
00:59:15,986 --> 00:59:18,266
Speaker 6: Right there. He has the right and the credibility to

1318
00:59:18,266 --> 00:59:20,346
Speaker 6: come in and turn things around and say what he

1319
00:59:20,386 --> 00:59:22,026
Speaker 6: has to say to gain his team moving forward. What

1320
00:59:22,106 --> 00:59:23,786
Speaker 6: does he care what he has to say about the Jets?

1321
00:59:23,986 --> 00:59:26,706
Speaker 1: Rightfully? So there it is. Can wait to have you

1322
00:59:26,746 --> 00:59:29,146
Speaker 1: on during the season again. Go enjoy your summer and

1323
00:59:29,186 --> 00:59:31,586
Speaker 1: I'll text you about color all right, buddy, love it.

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00:59:31,586 --> 00:59:32,346
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me.

1325
00:59:32,426 --> 00:59:34,906
Speaker 1: There you go, guys, that's the season with Peter Schreger.

1326
00:59:35,026 --> 00:59:39,306
Speaker 1: We have the usual monologue. We had a guest in

1327
00:59:39,346 --> 00:59:41,146
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean, and we had my buddy Detro. We are

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00:59:41,146 --> 00:59:43,386
Speaker 1: in regular season form right now. I want to thank

1329
00:59:43,426 --> 00:59:47,066
Speaker 1: everybody back at the LA Studios. I want to thank

1330
00:59:47,426 --> 00:59:50,266
Speaker 1: the great Aaron Wan Kaufman. I want to thank Brandon Bean,

1331
00:59:50,306 --> 00:59:53,786
Speaker 1: my buddy Ditro, and of course Jason English and all

1332
00:59:53,786 --> 00:59:56,066
Speaker 1: the folks who put this thing together. Keep on coming

1333
00:59:56,106 --> 00:59:57,506
Speaker 1: back next week. We got some good ones. We're gonna

1334
00:59:57,506 --> 00:59:59,786
Speaker 1: start doing this. I thought this would be interesting. We're

1335
00:59:59,786 --> 01:00:02,986
Speaker 1: gonna get our usual array of guess but I don't

1336
01:00:03,866 --> 01:00:07,106
Speaker 1: like necessarily like the fantasy football and al But there

1337
01:00:07,146 --> 01:00:09,906
Speaker 1: are certain fantasy football podcasts that I really like some

1338
01:00:09,986 --> 01:00:11,146
Speaker 1: of the people on there, and I thought we would

1339
01:00:11,146 --> 01:00:14,186
Speaker 1: serve one of these weeks do a little fantasy football preview.

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01:00:14,386 --> 01:00:16,986
Speaker 1: Maybe we won't. We'll see, but I'm thinking next week

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01:00:17,026 --> 01:00:19,986
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it, and it's gonna be good. Hang tight, listen,

1342
01:00:20,106 --> 01:00:22,626
Speaker 1: and go win your league till next time. This is

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01:00:22,626 --> 01:00:32,306
Speaker 1: the Season with Peter Schreger. The Season with Peter Schrager

1344
01:00:32,466 --> 01:00:35,746
Speaker 1: is a production of the NFL in partnership with iHeartRadio.

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01:00:36,106 --> 01:00:40,586
Speaker 1: For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts,

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01:00:40,826 --> 01:00:42,546
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