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Speaker 1: This is Prime Cuts, the best of the Colin Coward Podcast.
Speaker 1: So a little preamble before I go into Nick Wright
Speaker 1: on Lamar Jackson. So the Ravens, as reported, have offered
Speaker 1: him a non exclusive franchise tag. He won't like it,
Speaker 1: he being Lamar Jackson, Meaning the Ravens are saying, we
Speaker 1: like you, but test the market. If somebody makes a
Speaker 1: big offer, they can match. But the Ravens are rolling
Speaker 1: the dice thinking there won't be a significant market for
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. Now you all know I like Lamar Jackson
Speaker 1: dynamic wow qualities when seventy five percent of it starts.
Speaker 1: Jj Watt went on to social media Twitter and asked
Speaker 1: the question what am I missing? My response to jj
Speaker 1: Watt would be, you're not missing anything. Lamar Jackson's missing something.
Speaker 1: Games he's missed ten of the Ravens last twenty two
Speaker 1: games not available. Don't care how talented you are. Last
Speaker 1: two years, he's been banged up by the end of
Speaker 1: the year. So I've said this before. Bryce Young, I
Speaker 1: think he's really good. But as the quarterback position has
Speaker 1: evolved to more mobile, more athletic, more running, smaller quarterbacks,
Speaker 1: these guys are not all built to play fifteen twenty years.
Speaker 1: They're not smaller quarterbacks in vogue, running quarterbacks in vogue.
Speaker 1: I get it. Teams saying, listen, we're gonna roll it
Speaker 1: for four or five years. We're not giving a big
Speaker 1: guaranteed money from year five to year nine. Mahomes overwhelmingly
Speaker 1: pocket quarterback, gets his money. Josh Allen runs, but he's
Speaker 1: six six, two fifty. That's why he gets his money.
Speaker 1: Cam got his money, and Ben got his money. But
Speaker 1: if you're seeing a slight, if you're seen as somebody
Speaker 1: that has to excel out of the pocket if you've
Speaker 1: been banged up more than once. Lamar Jackson has his
Speaker 1: last fifteen starts. He's got an eighty five passer rating.
Speaker 1: A lot of people no longer see him as an
Speaker 1: ascending quarterback. He's a slightly regressing quarterback. So I can
Speaker 1: like Lamar, But as the quarterback position has evolved to
Speaker 1: a more athletic position, people are rolling the dice on
Speaker 1: guys that move more and guys that are smaller. I've
Speaker 1: said it with Bryce Young. I think he's the best quarterback.
Speaker 1: He's five ten and a half. He waited at two
Speaker 1: or four at the combine. You and I know he's
Speaker 1: gonna play at about one ninety three. He's twenty pounds
Speaker 1: light and three inches short. So I draft him, But
Speaker 1: two years later, I draft another quarterback. If he can
Speaker 1: get you out of purgatory, if he can get you
Speaker 1: out of the abyss, I'm Houston. I draft him, but
Speaker 1: I don't think he's at four oh one k here.
Speaker 1: That's day trading. You're gonna even another quarterback in three
Speaker 1: or four years, And I think Baltimore has come to
Speaker 1: that conclusion. Is if the market says Lamar's got four
Speaker 1: or five teams bidding on him, and Baltimore is going
Speaker 1: to have to pay up. They're betting that is not
Speaker 1: the case. The Atlanta Falcons already come out not interested.
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins already come out not interested. I think, Baltimore,
Speaker 1: says Culture coach GM owner Roster. If we can't get
Speaker 1: the right number, We're going to load up, get good
Speaker 1: at every position, and we'll find our Brock pretty in
Speaker 1: the second or third or fourth round at quarterback. So
Speaker 1: the last two years, I have watched less and less
Speaker 1: NFL combine and I'm going to describe right now, and
Speaker 1: this could bore some of you, But one of the
Speaker 1: reasons I love coming on this podcast that it's different
Speaker 1: than my show podcast is I can take on topics
Speaker 1: and discuss things that I would never discuss obviously on
Speaker 1: my show. I'm going to talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: the process of the way I do this business. So
Speaker 1: I've always said, you drive the bus. I'm not loyal
Speaker 1: to platforms and I'm not loyal to leagues. When I
Speaker 1: started in this business, I did a lot more college
Speaker 1: football than it got very regional, and over the last
Speaker 1: seven eight years, with Alabama and Clemson's dominance, I did
Speaker 1: less college football. This year. I did more college football
Speaker 1: than I've ever done because I thought the West Coast
Speaker 1: had a little bit of a renaissance. Michigan had a renaissance.
Speaker 1: So I want the Michigan's and the USCS and the
Speaker 1: Notre Dames to be viable, not just three southern schools.
Speaker 1: And so I talked more college football. And the ratings
Speaker 1: went up in college football. So fifteen years ago I
Speaker 1: moved off baseball. Why because I watched the ratings, and
Speaker 1: I watched slowly the attendants go down, and the ratings
Speaker 1: go down, and the social currency go down, and so
Speaker 1: I am loyal to what you're watching. Okay, it's like
Speaker 1: it's a it's a grocery store. What you're buying, I'm selling.
Speaker 1: And so the NFL Combine doesn't get huge ratings. But
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years I used to already
Speaker 1: be into it. Not as much as the draft of
Speaker 1: the season or the playoffs or college football, but I
Speaker 1: liked the combine. It's a beauty page, and I always
Speaker 1: understood that. But when Sean McVay says, I'm not going
Speaker 1: this year, Bill Belichick Matt Lafleur, I'm not going I
Speaker 1: had a conversation with a general manager in the NFL
Speaker 1: earlier last week, and you know I threw out my
Speaker 1: theory to him. That was I said, if you told
Speaker 1: a young person. Trent Dilford told me this years ago,
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of NFL players don't love football. They
Speaker 1: love what football provides for them, but they don't really
Speaker 1: love football. Tony Gonzalez, the Hall of Fame tight end,
Speaker 1: once told me he thought three percent of players loved
Speaker 1: the game. Loved the game, not the lifestyle, the game
Speaker 1: and putting in the effort for the game. And so
Speaker 1: one of the things I've thought a lot about what
Speaker 1: the combine is. I think more teams get fooled than
Speaker 1: actually find a gym, because if you go to the
Speaker 1: last ten drafts and you look at some of the
Speaker 1: great combine performances, teams are over drafting players. And so
Speaker 1: when you combine some of the reaches in the draft
Speaker 1: with Dilfer and Tony Gonzalez's theory, let me just throw
Speaker 1: this out to you. If I told you, listen, if
Speaker 1: you work really hard for the eight to ten weeks
Speaker 1: and get in the best shape of your life. You're
Speaker 1: going to be richer than you ever dreamed, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna go first or second round, even though a year
Speaker 1: ago you were thought of as a third or a
Speaker 1: fourth rounder. Would you put in the work, of course,
Speaker 1: you would much different than playing a season, than working
Speaker 1: out in Arizona or Miami at an academy for eight
Speaker 1: to ten weeks, prepping for the interviews, getting abs back,
Speaker 1: putting in the time that you would have to put
Speaker 1: in on a daily basis if you're an NFL player.
Speaker 1: So you get these guys that come in and they're
Speaker 1: in the best shape of their life they have been.
Speaker 1: They know exactly the questions they'll be asked. And I
Speaker 1: think what happens is people get fooled. People get absolutely fooled.
Speaker 1: And I think it's just it's our human nature. If
Speaker 1: we're going to be rewarded, we're going to really focus.
Speaker 1: And that's why to me Belichick, Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna pass. They don't want to get fooled. Go
Speaker 1: watch game tape. Game tapes the truth because you have
Speaker 1: to play hurt in games, you have to play against
Speaker 1: people that are bigger and stronger than you. How do
Speaker 1: you react to that. That's the NFL, that's real. A
Speaker 1: game tape in the SEC or Big ten, that's real,
Speaker 1: a real performance, not ten to twelve weeks of working
Speaker 1: out in Arizona and Miami getting in the greatest shape
Speaker 1: of your life, therefore getting a pay day soon thereafter
Speaker 1: in the NFL draft. It's not real life. And I
Speaker 1: think for all of us, I want to see your
Speaker 1: actual resume job performance. What were you like for four
Speaker 1: to five years at your job? Not prepping for an
Speaker 1: interview with me? Players now prep for the wonderlick. You
Speaker 1: can practice the wonder lick. It used to be if
Speaker 1: a guy scored high, it was just he was brilliant.
Speaker 1: Now guys score in the thirties. And I think some
Speaker 1: of the times I'm like, I don't know, they make
Speaker 1: really bad decisions as a quarterback. How do they get
Speaker 1: a thirty six on the wonder lick? So I see
Speaker 1: the numbers for the combine. I've peeled back on my
Speaker 1: combine talk. I just don't think it's as relevant vent
Speaker 1: as I thought it was years ago. Get off the bench.
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Speaker 1: start with Daniel Jones. You're in New York four years,
Speaker 1: one hundred and sixty million. Is batshet crazy Colin? But
Speaker 1: go ahead. Sorry. I went back to Duke, where he
Speaker 1: had an offensive coach, a legend Cutcliff David Cutcliffe. Yeah,
Speaker 1: very the Manning family, excellent guy. In college, he had
Speaker 1: fifty two touchdowns and twenty nine picks. If you add
Speaker 1: in the fumbles, it's like fifty two to thirty five.
Speaker 1: It's not even two to one. It's like one and
Speaker 1: a half to one ratio in the NFL seventy two
Speaker 1: touchdowns running or throwing, fifty seven turnovers, fumbles or picks.
Speaker 1: So Mahomes obviously is the class of the league four
Speaker 1: to one. Other great quarterbacks give you two and a
Speaker 1: half to three to one. Daniel's not two to one.
Speaker 1: Daniel is closer to one and a half to one.
Speaker 1: I got a worse ratio for you, Colin post rookie year,
Speaker 1: more games played than touchdown passes, more games started at quarterback,
Speaker 1: then touchdowns thrown. He is Last year was the last
Speaker 1: year we've ever seen him. He threw fifteen touchdown passes.
Speaker 1: It is This is why the franchise tag exists. So
Speaker 1: if a guy who in a contract year has an
Speaker 1: outlier season and again everyone's like this, he was great
Speaker 1: this year. He had fifteen touchdown passes, you can then
Speaker 1: be like, okay, show it to us one more time.
Speaker 1: And I am shocked that the Giants made this decision.
Speaker 1: All year. This is the thing that's so baffling to me.
Speaker 1: People were arguing Brian Dables should be Coach of the Year.
Speaker 1: I agreed with them in large respect because they were like,
Speaker 1: look at what he's doing with Daniel Jones. And now
Speaker 1: they're like, here's one hundred and sixty million dollars Daniel Jones.
Speaker 1: I thought what they would do this year was franchise
Speaker 1: Jones and risk taking a step back for the sake
Speaker 1: of information, meaning they'll say, Okay, Daniel, you actually have
Speaker 1: to play the real position now where it's not it's
Speaker 1: not just safe layups, run the ball, run you where
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to. We're gonna throw a sophisticated passing
Speaker 1: offense at you, yea, and see if you can sink
Speaker 1: or swim, and if you swim, we'll pay you if
Speaker 1: you Because now they're in a weird spot where they
Speaker 1: have paid him, and I think they have to run
Speaker 1: this this high school offense again. And I'll give a
Speaker 1: guy credit. Greg Rosenthal, who works for the NFL dot
Speaker 1: Com writes good stuff. He's a smart guy, because I
Speaker 1: didn't think about this. He said, he thinks that ownership
Speaker 1: maybe got had a say in this out ownership who
Speaker 1: had a relationship with Eli and held on to him
Speaker 1: too long, that they like how he carries himself, who
Speaker 1: he is as a person, and that they put their
Speaker 1: finger on the gale because I can't imagine Shane and Dayball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to be tied to him for at least
Speaker 1: two more years and probably three. No, this has always
Speaker 1: been my takeaway. This is a blue blood franchise. When
Speaker 1: I was in Connecticut, most of my friends were Giants
Speaker 1: fans and Yankee fans and and so you know, I listened,
Speaker 1: I went out and drink, and I hung out with
Speaker 1: Yankee and Giant fans. And there's first of all, Giant
Speaker 1: fans have had a lot of success, like Yankee fans. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're often older. They're like Michigan Wolverine fans. They've been
Speaker 1: good since the forties, so they tolerate a little more.
Speaker 1: They're a little more patient, right, sure. And I always said,
Speaker 1: even when the Giants win, they're an accounting firm. They've
Speaker 1: never wanted you at Wow, what a spectacular That's not
Speaker 1: what they are. Yeah. They take tide in intelligence, grinding,
Speaker 1: work ethic. That is their brand. Like the Ravens. Have
Speaker 1: they ever had a good team that wasn't tough as shit?
Speaker 1: They get they are physical right right. The Raiders want
Speaker 1: to be fast. There are certain the Steelers want to
Speaker 1: have great linebackers and play defense. There are certain things
Speaker 1: we can know. So the Mara family, he looks like
Speaker 1: Eli big Lie. I mean, their haircuts are the same,
Speaker 1: Southern yep, carries himself yep, and all that stuff. They
Speaker 1: don't want to get on the carousel. So by the
Speaker 1: time this airs tomorrow, I still think Aaron Rodgers will
Speaker 1: be a packer. But everybody flew out, Woody Johnson, Robert Solid,
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas, Nathaniel Hackett, they all flew out to California.
Speaker 1: By the way, I'm sorry, I just have to get
Speaker 1: this one liner in and then you can do your thing.
Speaker 1: The irony of the professional athlete, maybe outside of Kyrie Irving,
Speaker 1: maybe including Kyrie Irving, who has lectured us more on
Speaker 1: the hideousness of Big Pharma, having literally the air of
Speaker 1: the Johnson and Johnson Farma corporation. Whoo him Go like,
Speaker 1: does Aaron know he's about to go work for Big Pharma?
Speaker 1: I'm not sure, but go ahead, sorry, as you were,
Speaker 1: So they went out to go see him. Yeah, And
Speaker 1: you know there's multiple reports Mike Silver somebody as part
Speaker 1: of the volume Mike Silver breaks, a lot of NFL
Speaker 1: has been all over this. Yeah, he's been all over it.
Speaker 1: He had in his column for Balis the other day,
Speaker 1: kind of buried in it, like, oh him, by the way,
Speaker 1: keep your eye on Houston with Jimmy Garoppola. And I
Speaker 1: hadn't seen that anywhere, and now I'm seeing it pop
Speaker 1: up a few places, and I'm like, oh, that's interesting,
Speaker 1: but go ahead. So Silver has been all over The
Speaker 1: Packers are done with him. Yeah, so the Packers, the
Speaker 1: Packers done with Aaron. And Aaron made a point this
Speaker 1: week to basically crap on Ian Rappaport and Adam Schefter,
Speaker 1: saying they don't know anybody in my circle. So I
Speaker 1: think that scares off some reporters. So all the leaks
Speaker 1: are coming from Green Bay, and all the leaks are
Speaker 1: the exact same thing, which is, we are done with
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, so they are. I think Aaron to the
Speaker 1: Jets could actually be really ugly. Now he'll make them better.
Speaker 1: But let me throw this at you. Buffalo's got a
Speaker 1: better quarterback and a better roster. Bill O'Brien, for all
Speaker 1: his critics, was winning a division with Brock Osweider. He's
Speaker 1: a competent offensive coordinator with Bill Belichick. Actually, and I
Speaker 1: also think Bill O'Brian's actually a good head coach. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he also doubled as the worst general man I've ever seen.
Speaker 1: And so Bill Obrian the GM hout out the legs
Speaker 1: of Bill O'Brian the head coach, Ruan Mike McDaniel. We're
Speaker 1: tearing the league up to Thanksgiving. Tearing the league up
Speaker 1: forget the rest of the AFC, where he's no longer
Speaker 1: ascending player. He's no longer hungry. Burrow Is, mahomestall Is,
Speaker 1: alan Is, lamar Is Trevor. These are hungry or committed
Speaker 1: as sending players. Nick, I think it's very possible he's
Speaker 1: a third place quarterback at this point in his career.
Speaker 1: Well so, I so let me add a different piece
Speaker 1: to it. Year over year, the best offenses pretty much
Speaker 1: stay the same unless there's a major change. Best defenses
Speaker 1: change a lot wildly, so that wh listen. I think
Speaker 1: the Jets have awesome defensive personnel, But I also think
Speaker 1: it happens that a team that was the third best
Speaker 1: defense in football one year, a couple bounces go differently.
Speaker 1: A couple you play, a couple tougher quarterbacks, and all
Speaker 1: of a sudden you're the eleventh best. Yes, so I
Speaker 1: think that they point everyone's like they won seven games
Speaker 1: with the worst quarterbacking in the NFL. They did. But
Speaker 1: so now what if they have the tenth best quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL? Okay, well, what if the defense goes
Speaker 1: from winning them five games to only winning them three? Games?
Speaker 1: You know? And so I think that is absolutely in
Speaker 1: play that that same defensive personnel doesn't all, you know,
Speaker 1: have the outstanding years they had. So that's concerning. The
Speaker 1: division is concerning. Here's what is also concerning. Do you
Speaker 1: know who the Jets play this year out of division?
Speaker 1: Mahomes and the Chiefs Herbert and the Chargers Jalen Hurts
Speaker 1: and the Eagles That that defense isn't quite as highly
Speaker 1: ranked yet of course, yeah, And so that it's tough, right,
Speaker 1: And so then there's the So I'm conflicted on this
Speaker 1: on a principal level. I think the as a union guy.
Speaker 1: You know this about me, My dad ran firefighters union.
Speaker 1: I'm a union guy. I'm you know, I'm not management.
Speaker 1: I almost hate believing this and I'll explain what this is. Sorry,
Speaker 1: I'm building a long bridge. During the last CBA, the
Speaker 1: players wanted more money. The owners wanted them to have
Speaker 1: less money. The owners said, Okay, we don't want to
Speaker 1: pay you more. Howbout we ask you to work less,
Speaker 1: less offseason, less mandatory days. And the players said, okay, deal.
Speaker 1: And I think the owners shrewdly understood we kind of
Speaker 1: have an, you know, an unspoken ally in the entirety
Speaker 1: of sports media that will shame any player that doesn't
Speaker 1: do the optional stuff. So even though it's optional and
Speaker 1: now you don't have to do it, you're gonna get
Speaker 1: killed if you don't do it. So I tend to,
Speaker 1: you know, be like, hey, I don't show up for
Speaker 1: a lot of work. I'm not made to, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not paid to go to I get it. I
Speaker 1: do feel one can make an arguments a little different
Speaker 1: with the quarterbacks. And it is not lost on me
Speaker 1: that the guy who held the trophy at the end
Speaker 1: of the year and not only showed up to everything,
Speaker 1: organized his own preseason in Texas to work with his
Speaker 1: new receivers and Aaron it's skipped all of it with
Speaker 1: the Packers, right, skipped the whole offseason that was optional.
Speaker 1: And then what did we see the first six weeks
Speaker 1: of the season. They're not on the same page and
Speaker 1: then and I imagine this is super frustrating for Green
Speaker 1: Bay all of a sudden, Christian Watson might win damn
Speaker 1: Rookie of the Year by the end of it. Once
Speaker 1: they get on the same page, they're clicking. And I'm
Speaker 1: sure there's a level of damn it if you guys
Speaker 1: had been there from week one. If we win one
Speaker 1: more game, we're in the playoffs, we win too, you know.
Speaker 1: And so so here's why I bring all that up.
Speaker 1: If I'm the Jets, I really really want to know,
Speaker 1: are you here for everything? Are you go? This is
Speaker 1: a whole new team. I know you know Nat Hackett,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna know the system, But are you going
Speaker 1: to spend the off season with my players to get
Speaker 1: on the same page. If you are, then I am
Speaker 1: much more interested than if it's I'll show up for
Speaker 1: the mandatory mini camp and training camp. It's too many
Speaker 1: young players and new everything to just parachute in. I
Speaker 1: just think that is I think that's a legitimate question
Speaker 1: to ask. And I don't listen. I don't know Aaron.
Speaker 1: I don't know what he's gonna do. But the tendency
Speaker 1: of the last few years makes you think he's gonna say,
Speaker 1: I'm not doing OTA's right. I've got a hike to
Speaker 1: go on or something. Also, Aaron doesn't like to be
Speaker 1: controlled by the media. He doesn't have an owner in
Speaker 1: Green Bay, he controls the small town media. So there
Speaker 1: are some basic built in advantages that Aaron has been
Speaker 1: accustomed to. He didn't go to a football power. He
Speaker 1: went to cal he had more power. Green Bay, no owner,
Speaker 1: more power, pushes back heavy on the media. Why because
Speaker 1: he lacked power green Bay the organization. He's pushed the
Speaker 1: front office around. Here's something no athlete has in New York,
Speaker 1: true power. Right the media, sports talk, harsh columnists, the fans,
Speaker 1: talk radio literally controls GMS. It gets very reactionary. So
Speaker 1: my question about Aaron isn't the football. It's the off
Speaker 1: the field stuff. The paper Rozzie can't control him. You
Speaker 1: can hide in La and Malibu. You can't hide in
Speaker 1: New York. You have to go to Jersey and live
Speaker 1: in the forest. Aaron's going to have to give up
Speaker 1: some personal control. He'll get major pushback from a left
Speaker 1: leaning media. He's not going to get in the Midwest.
Speaker 1: And I think I think the football stuff he'll be
Speaker 1: better than last year. But New York is not going
Speaker 1: to be pushed around by Aaron. They're just not Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I just this is a good lessons Maybe the
Speaker 1: wrong word, but there is you people can be as
Speaker 1: high maintenance as I try to be. And I actually
Speaker 1: like I I think I'm not going to obviously like
Speaker 1: name names or whatever of our colleagues, like industry wide,
Speaker 1: but I think people know the people that seem to
Speaker 1: have remained pretty normal people even as the fame and
Speaker 1: everything has grown, and the people who, in a also
Speaker 1: somewhat normal way, once they've gotten very famous and very wealthy,
Speaker 1: have started to act a little differently, And you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, treat people differently. Whatever it is. I
Speaker 1: think I will name this name in a positive way.
Speaker 1: It seems to me from my interactions Reverstoy, I've ever
Speaker 1: heard that Ernie Johnson Scott Van Pelt are two of
Speaker 1: the nicest people in the media. You know what I mean?
Speaker 1: That treat people well, do all these things, and they're
Speaker 1: super famous and accomplished. Right, you don't have to do
Speaker 1: that if you're that level of successful, talented and valuable.
Speaker 1: But the moment you stop being quite as valuable and
Speaker 1: talented man. People remember how they've been treated. What a
Speaker 1: pain in the ass you've been. And there's not a
Speaker 1: lot of like grace, like, there's not a lot of
Speaker 1: and people the Packers seem to be active. Like if
Speaker 1: I were the Jets, I would have paused by the
Speaker 1: fact that the Packers are done with this guy, whether
Speaker 1: we trade for him or not. They're done with it.
Speaker 1: They they have more information on him than anybody. They're like,
Speaker 1: we've had our full well, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It was good run, but we're done with it. And
Speaker 1: that would be at least a little concerning to me
Speaker 1: because I don't think he's a great player in him,
Speaker 1: I think he's a good player. Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's a great player anymore. People keep saying he won
Speaker 1: two MVPs. He did, and then this year he was average,
Speaker 1: not by his standards, by his standards, the worst year
Speaker 1: of his career by NFL standards, he was average. So
Speaker 1: very expensive, oldest quarterback in the league, right, he's the oldest.
Speaker 1: Now Brady's gone, he's got to be old, expensive, old, deteriorating, Yeah,
Speaker 1: and a lot to deal with. I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I don't know. Well, Trevor Lawrence, Justin Herbert, Josh Allen.
Speaker 1: They're just bigger, stronger athletes. Lamar Jackson's faster. Mahomes is
Speaker 1: more accurate. Burrow is more accurate. I mean, it happens
Speaker 1: to all of us. I'll know it at some point.
Speaker 1: I can see young talented people out there. Aaron isn't
Speaker 1: as big as the good ones, isn't as fast, isn't
Speaker 1: as healthy, isn't as committed. We have to just be honest, Burrow.
Speaker 1: These guys are like when you watch Mahomes, he is
Speaker 1: the greatest come from behind quarterback, not by a little
Speaker 1: Aaron doesn't have a skill. Burrow now and Mahomes are
Speaker 1: the best situational quarterbacks period on the planet. Josh Allen
Speaker 1: does things that even Mahomes can't do. He's physical, He's
Speaker 1: the best physical. He's the best physical specimens. Not a
Speaker 1: knocks Aaron six one and a half, thirty nine years old,
Speaker 1: and it would like be if I didn't prep for
Speaker 1: my show. He doesn't commit in the offseason, so he's
Speaker 1: like a ninety two passer rating guy. Now, I love
Speaker 1: talking to Nick about hoops. I think if you watch
Speaker 1: my show and have listened to my show for years.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm an NFL, NBA guy with some college football.
Speaker 1: I want to start with discussing a place I used
Speaker 1: to work ESPN. This week there was a moment, Nick
Speaker 1: where Kendrick Perkins sort of pushed back on Yokich, Steve Nash,
Speaker 1: and Dirt Navitsky winning MVPs. So what Kendrick Perkins was
Speaker 1: asserting is there have been three white players Dirt Navitsky, Dallas,
Speaker 1: Steve Nash Phoenix a couple of times, and Yokich who
Speaker 1: are not top ten in scoring but are winning MVPs.
Speaker 1: He said, what do they all have in common? JJ
Speaker 1: Reddick fired back, asserting that Kendrick Perkins was playing, you know,
Speaker 1: the race card, and it was unfair. It was a
Speaker 1: highly contested moment and it was pretty riveting t vision.
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering, Nick, because you've been outspoken where you
Speaker 1: think Yoki is an overstated player. What was your reaction
Speaker 1: to that, you know, very turbulent TV moment. I didn't
Speaker 1: see the whole segment, but I saw the clip, so
Speaker 1: I will preface it with that. There is nothing and
Speaker 1: I know we're gonna talk about this, but I'm really
Speaker 1: glad we are. There are very very few things that
Speaker 1: make me more frustrated than when people who know better,
Speaker 1: smart people act like someone invoking the idea that race
Speaker 1: could play a part in things means they are calling
Speaker 1: giant swaths of people racist. Kendrick did not call NBA
Speaker 1: voters racist. Kendrick raised the point. I believe what he
Speaker 1: raised was an NBA history or in the last fifty years,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, there have been three guys to win
Speaker 1: League MVP without or in the last forty years, I think,
Speaker 1: without being in the top ten and scoring, and it
Speaker 1: was Dark Nash and to be Yokis this year. And
Speaker 1: in the last sixty years, there's been one guy to
Speaker 1: win three straight MVPs, Larry Bird, and now it looks
Speaker 1: like it's going to be Yokis. Now that you raise
Speaker 1: that point and clearly implied race is a factor, that
Speaker 1: does not mean you are calling everyone racing. It is
Speaker 1: no different than if when I talk about offensive coordinators
Speaker 1: who've made it to the Super Bowl and the coaching
Speaker 1: opportunities they've gotten, and then there's Eric Bienemy and Byron Leftwich.
Speaker 1: I think race has played a factor, even if it
Speaker 1: is a subconscious factor in this Yeah, and I think
Speaker 1: that if we are just flatly analyzing the Yokis situation,
Speaker 1: since nineteen eighty three, guys have won an MVP with
Speaker 1: a team not being a top three or four seed
Speaker 1: Moses in eighty two, Russ the triple double year that
Speaker 1: you mentioned Yoki's last year. So right or wrong, that
Speaker 1: was an aberrant event that was in a So he
Speaker 1: got an exception that there? Right, I just said, in
Speaker 1: the last sixty years, only one guy has won three
Speaker 1: in a row yea. So him winning three in a
Speaker 1: row would be an exception to what the history is.
Speaker 1: Sure it is it in play that there is. And
Speaker 1: I saw some an NBA trainer, a white NBA trainer.
Speaker 1: I forget who it has actually tweeted this. I think
Speaker 1: it's an interesting point. His belief that the general media,
Speaker 1: the white general media, tends to subconsciously, maybe unintentionally, underrate
Speaker 1: good white players. They think, ah, probably not that good
Speaker 1: the guys who are like actually, you know, and those
Speaker 1: guys actually get underrated by maybe a guy like JJ Reddick. Right,
Speaker 1: Maybe JJ didn't get enough credit for how good of
Speaker 1: a player he was because he was white. That doesn't
Speaker 1: mean they're racist. It means race works in our brains
Speaker 1: a bunch of my ways. While while that happens simultaneously, yeah,
Speaker 1: slightly slightly overrating the great white players, right, and and
Speaker 1: do I think that happens? Yes? Do I think it
Speaker 1: is noteworthy that every time Michael or Lebron or Young
Speaker 1: honest one back to back, the voters then said, Okay,
Speaker 1: let's let's try someone else. Let's you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Let's just give someone else to try. But Bird won
Speaker 1: three in a row and Yokes about to win three
Speaker 1: in a row. I think it's noteworthy. I don't think
Speaker 1: that means we're calling anyone God dog clans and it
Speaker 1: is it is to me trying to shut down a conversation.
Speaker 1: I actually do not think. I think if I'm listening
Speaker 1: all the reasons that Yokich is now going to win
Speaker 1: probably his third trade MVP race would not be in
Speaker 1: my top five, but it would be a It would
Speaker 1: be somewhere on that pipe chart, a very small one.
Speaker 1: So I think it is a. I think it is
Speaker 1: more nuanced than people give it credit for. And I
Speaker 1: didn't I would have been very upset if I were
Speaker 1: Kendrick and A and a teammate did that to me,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't e liked it. So I'm listening to cag
Speaker 1: his podcast with Paul Pierce, and he mentions how he's like, Man,
Speaker 1: I've been in this league a long time. I read
Speaker 1: body language. He goes, when Lebron had that night and
Speaker 1: a D didn't even get up, I don't care if
Speaker 1: you have a bum ankle, you get up. And he
Speaker 1: said he thinks the Lakers are looking at these next
Speaker 1: ten games without Lebron as the future of a D.
Speaker 1: Can they win without Lebron? At they can't? Ad he's gone?
Speaker 1: But it was really interesting. So I mentioned something I'd
Speaker 1: been tipped by somebody and around the Lakers that said,
Speaker 1: you know, Lebron and a D. After that reaction to
Speaker 1: Lebron breaking Kareem Abdul's jabbar all the time scoring record,
Speaker 1: they're not boys. It's not hostile, but then they're not guys,
Speaker 1: right you tell from body language. KG points this out.
Speaker 1: When I mentioned that two days later, I got the
Speaker 1: strongest reaction from Lebron's people on anything I've ever said.
Speaker 1: What does that tell you? They got really defensive. I
Speaker 1: think there is a feeling Lebron feels like he kind
Speaker 1: of needs him for at least this year, because I
Speaker 1: had been told in the last year there are times
Speaker 1: Lebron is disappointed. He came in post bubble out of shape.
Speaker 1: It was his turn to sort of triumphantly take the
Speaker 1: team when Lebron's missing eighties off and not playing as well.
Speaker 1: You know, they've only played like twelve games together since
Speaker 1: the bubble, that's their longest streak, and there's been some
Speaker 1: disappointment in the Lebron camp. When I said that, major
Speaker 1: reaction from Lebron's group, and I trusted my source. So
Speaker 1: my takeaway on this is Lebron left d Wade okay
Speaker 1: and didn't give him a heads up one of his
Speaker 1: best friends ever. You know, Mellow is one of his
Speaker 1: best friends ever. He's never really actively pursued him and
Speaker 1: said bring him in. He did with Westbrook, sure, he
Speaker 1: didn't do with Mellow, And I guess my takeaway is
Speaker 1: this is that the Lebron a d thing is over,
Speaker 1: but Lebron's really sensitive to it because he did move
Speaker 1: off Wade, he did get criticized for it. I think
Speaker 1: it's over. I think Lebron's smart enough to see the
Speaker 1: temperature in the room on social media. He's not. He's
Speaker 1: gonna he's gonna be there for him when he's miked.
Speaker 1: He's like, I love you, man. He makes sure everybody knows.
Speaker 1: But I'm not going to just say the AD's reaction
Speaker 1: to the Kareem moment is nothing. Well, listen, I certainly
Speaker 1: not nothing. I don't know what it was. It was
Speaker 1: one of the most bizarre things I've seen in sports
Speaker 1: in a couple of years. I was one of the
Speaker 1: most bizarre, shocking things I've seen in sports, and I
Speaker 1: don't I don't have any sourcing on what was going on.
Speaker 1: I think I speculated with you, but I it's been
Speaker 1: so long and this was just blind speculation because it
Speaker 1: was so bizarre. I thought something bizarre had to have happened.
Speaker 1: You know. That was right around the trade deadline, and
Speaker 1: we knew the Lakers called about Kyrie and we now
Speaker 1: know Durant was available. And I, again, I have no
Speaker 1: sourcing on this, and I've said it on TV a
Speaker 1: couple of times and no one as sexs me like
Speaker 1: you're onto something, so I'm probably wrong. I'm just saying
Speaker 1: in the moment, I was like, I wonder if part
Speaker 1: of it. Once the nets were like, we're not doing Kyrie.
Speaker 1: It's like, well any interest in Anthony Davis for Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant and that that filtered back to to a d
Speaker 1: and he felt betrayed, you know, and felt hurt, you
Speaker 1: know whatever, because something had Here's what I do know,
Speaker 1: without having any sourcing, something happened. Because that was weird.
Speaker 1: That was as weird as it gets. With all that said,
Speaker 1: I I don't think the Lakers are dead this year. Man.
Speaker 1: I don't. You can say I'm crazy. I just I
Speaker 1: go up and down the Western Conference. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 1: the one seed is Denver. I know a healthy Lebron
Speaker 1: and Ad can beat them. I know that I've said
Speaker 1: the one year. Totally agree. Memphis now is off into
Speaker 1: the week Memphis is who knows with Memphis by the way,
Speaker 1: got John Morant reportedly Jamax said this to meet today
Speaker 1: on the air. Is that this was two days ago
Speaker 1: in this airs. Is that you know when Jaw goes out,
Speaker 1: his teammates don't go with him. He's got his guys.
Speaker 1: Is that is there a resentment that he has blown
Speaker 1: the season up in that room? I don't know, but
Speaker 1: I do know that Memphis is right now not looking
Speaker 1: as good as they were at any point in the
Speaker 1: last eighteen months. Yeah, the three seed, God love them
Speaker 1: is light the damn beam Sacramento and I got respect
Speaker 1: of Sacramento. My lovely wife who you adore, She's from Sacramento.
Speaker 1: Love the people there no defense, none the best offense
Speaker 1: in the league, but no experience and no defense. Same
Speaker 1: with Dallas since Kyrie showed up. They you shoot fifty
Speaker 1: three percent against the mass no defense, right. We joked
Speaker 1: about this on the show. NBA used to be a
Speaker 1: race to one hundred with the MAVs. It's kind of
Speaker 1: like a race to one twenty five. It's like who's
Speaker 1: gonna get in there first? Like the um Phoenix. Set
Speaker 1: them aside for a moment. They are, they should be
Speaker 1: the favorites. I get it. Dallas is my pick at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the year. I don't think Kyrie's part
Speaker 1: of winning. I don't love it. Last year they have
Speaker 1: the number eight. Defense's fallen apart. I know you believe
Speaker 1: in the Warriors. I got a fact. I got a
Speaker 1: nut fact for you, Colin. Since nineteen eighty, the worst
Speaker 1: road record to win a title twenty one in twenty
Speaker 1: the Warriors have won seven times on the road this year.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's their season. Okay. So now then
Speaker 1: you have the Clippers, who made the brilliant decision of
Speaker 1: adding Russell Westbrook for no reason whatsoever. So and then
Speaker 1: there's Phoenix, which has everything you'd want, it not quite
Speaker 1: as much depth as you'd want. However, there are certain
Speaker 1: teams that when an injury happens, the Bucks last year
Speaker 1: with Middleton, it's like, God, dog it what terrible luck.
Speaker 1: Couldn't see it coming. Bad timing, bad luck. There's certain
Speaker 1: teams when injuries happened, like the Lakers every year post bubble,
Speaker 1: it's like, well, yeah, one guy's in year twenty and
Speaker 1: the other guys man Injurer's whole career. Or the Clippers
Speaker 1: it's like, well, Kawhi is his body's breaking down. The
Speaker 1: Sun's veteran leader and best player are incredibly injury prone.
Speaker 1: Now you can't like Kevin durant Is more Is post
Speaker 1: Achilles is injured all the time. So I just say
Speaker 1: that you can't. You always people always throw out the
Speaker 1: caveat of if healthy. Well, there are certain teams more
Speaker 1: likely to be healthy than us, and the Suns, Clippers,
Speaker 1: and Lakers are three teams that if they're hurt, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: well that's you know, that's the risk you run. So
Speaker 1: the point I'm making is I think I think everything
Speaker 1: you said about the relationship might be correct, and the
Speaker 1: Lakers a long term might be correct. But I also
Speaker 1: think if they can survive this time without Lebron, I
Speaker 1: don't and I don't know the severity of the foot injury,
Speaker 1: but if they survive it, Lebron having three weeks off
Speaker 1: before a playoff run in a wide open West, I'm
Speaker 1: not ready to write them off yet. Maybe I'm you know,
Speaker 1: a romantic, but I'm not ready to write them off.
Speaker 1: I will tell you one team that I think is
Speaker 1: going to feel like this could have been a year
Speaker 1: for a great run. And now his questionnaiming the run
Speaker 1: was the Pelicans. Yeah, Pelicans are looking I'm beliebl And
Speaker 1: now we don't know when Zion's ever going to play. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's a disaster. Well, the Zion John Morant class
Speaker 1: felt great. Zion can't get healthy and John Morant can't
Speaker 1: grow up. So you know, it's one of the things,
Speaker 1: not that I defended job, but I said, you know,
Speaker 1: in the NFL, you know, a guy comes in after
Speaker 1: four years at Georgia, three or four years at Alabama.
Speaker 1: They've gone to college, they've the global perspective of classmates,
Speaker 1: they've had hard coaching. These are men. The two best
Speaker 1: guys in this year's draft forgo college, right. So it's
Speaker 1: AAU or international basketball to a paid league, to the NBA.
Speaker 1: They can't drink in the team hotel. So I think
Speaker 1: part of what sort of endemic in this sport, and
Speaker 1: you've got to come to terms with it, is these
Speaker 1: guys aren't emotionally ready, and I think it's just a reality.
Speaker 1: I sort of build it in is when I look
Speaker 1: at these rookies. First of all, they all hit a
Speaker 1: wall year one, because college basketball is regional travel mostly
Speaker 1: thirty six games. NBA is domestic travel count preseason playoffs
Speaker 1: could be one hundred games. So they all hit a
Speaker 1: wall like game sixty five. They can't keep weight on,
Speaker 1: you know, they're just they have to play defense. They're
Speaker 1: burning seven thousand calories at night. By year two, expectations
Speaker 1: ramp up, social media, parents, hanger honors, So the jaw situation,
Speaker 1: I think you'll get turned it around. And I'm not
Speaker 1: defending him, but isn't this sort of something that's built
Speaker 1: into the sport. These are kids now they have revenue, basketball, revenue, shoes, revenue, social.
Speaker 1: Oh it's overwhelmed. Listen. So here's the thing. I'm amazed
Speaker 1: anybody at that age that money that fame doesn't just
Speaker 1: create disaster after disaster. So I am super you know,
Speaker 1: I've told the story to you before. I'm smart kid.
Speaker 1: I think good family, all the opportunities. Forget getting fifty million.
Speaker 1: I ride out of college one who wants to be
Speaker 1: a millionaire and won fifty thousand and it's gone in
Speaker 1: nine months, gone with it. By the way, I didn't
Speaker 1: I adn't buy a car and have any assets. It
Speaker 1: was spent gambling, drinking out is spent. People are like, oh,
Speaker 1: you're paying for everybody's lifestyle. Yeah, of course you are.
Speaker 1: Of course you are. So I'm going to defend a
Speaker 1: lot of that stuff. Like people are like, oh, all
Speaker 1: these guys, they're paying for their friends. As soon as
Speaker 1: you have money, you like doing things that cost money,
Speaker 1: and nobody likes to do them alone. So it's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: want to go to dinner, and if all your friends like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got money for Fridays and you have money for
Speaker 1: mass Rows and I guess what, You're all going to
Speaker 1: mass Rows and you're paying the bill. It's like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: it's the offseason. You're on vacation, and they're like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I can pay for Branson and you're like, hmm, I
Speaker 1: was thinking Barbados. I guess we'll all go and all
Speaker 1: pay for it. So I understand, like all of that
Speaker 1: stuff is to me totally reasonable. The gun stuff scares me,
Speaker 1: and again I'm going to couch it with this part
Speaker 1: of it. There is legitimate, understandable pushback from people who
Speaker 1: are like, hold on a second, we have more guns
Speaker 1: than people in this country. Everybody's allowed to have guns,
Speaker 1: and we only freak out when it's a young black guy.
Speaker 1: He wasn't breaking any laws potentially, all that got it.
Speaker 1: I actually think in a lot of ways there are
Speaker 1: fair points there as far as the apocrisy of it
Speaker 1: all day. What is undeniable, though, is what he is
Speaker 1: doing is dangerous. Forget if it's right or wrong, it's dangerous.
Speaker 1: It would be dangerous anywhere. It is particularly dangerous in Memphis, Tennessee. Memphis,
Speaker 1: Tennessee has the third highest homicide rate of any major
Speaker 1: city in the country fifty biggest cities. Bloomberg just had
Speaker 1: this fifty biggest cities in America. Memphis, Sinnesies murder rate
Speaker 1: is number three. It is nine times New York City, Okay,
Speaker 1: which means if you are one of as far as
Speaker 1: gun violence, the most dangerous cities in America, you're one
Speaker 1: of the most dangerous cities in the world in developed countries.
Speaker 1: That's where he lives. We just saw in Memphis a
Speaker 1: Memphis celebrity, beloved young Dolf, a rapper, murdered at a
Speaker 1: bakery in the last year. I don't know if Jah's
Speaker 1: a real gangster or not. I don't know if he's
Speaker 1: hanging with real gangsters. I don't know if he's just
Speaker 1: you know, playing for the Graham. I know that city.
Speaker 1: My wife, who you adore, her best friend, who you've
Speaker 1: met a few times, saw it the Super Bowl. Nicole,
Speaker 1: the who's with us all the time, lives in Memphis.
Speaker 1: We go to Memphis a lot. I know the city,
Speaker 1: I know the nightlife. I told this story on my
Speaker 1: pod the other day. I don't know if I should
Speaker 1: tell it or not, but whatever. We went down to
Speaker 1: Memphis for the Southern Heritage class. The Dean Stein Jackson
Speaker 1: stating saw it. That night we went out, went out
Speaker 1: to a lot of the places that I know, like
Speaker 1: our places, Jagoes in Memphis. That that scene that those clubs. Right.
Speaker 1: One of the guys who's promoting one of the parties
Speaker 1: that night knew I was coming, He knew Nicole knew
Speaker 1: I was coming. Whatever. When we got there, he said, hey,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming. Nick. I was like, yeah, it's great whatever,
Speaker 1: and he said this is such and such. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be with you tonight. Like huh. He's like no, He's like,
Speaker 1: I brought it. He's one of my security guys. He's
Speaker 1: just gonna be with you all night. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: come on, man, like I thought he was doing it,
Speaker 1: like I was like some big shot. He's like no.
Speaker 1: He's like, eat, I know, I know my city, and
Speaker 1: I know I'll feel better he'll be with you. His
Speaker 1: point was, you have a little bit of notoriety, a
Speaker 1: little bit of jewelry. I'd feel better if I knew
Speaker 1: someone who knew everything about the city was here with you.
Speaker 1: And now some might say and if boss is here this,
Speaker 1: then I might say, and Nick, maybe go to a
Speaker 1: different club maybe, but whatever it is, you're young, you're
Speaker 1: having fun. That is where John lives. And whether he
Speaker 1: is an actual tough guy or not. Actual tough guys
Speaker 1: see these videos and see how he's conducting himself. And
Speaker 1: I don't think it's being hyperbolic to say what he's
Speaker 1: doing is dangerous. Not that he's going to hurt someone.
Speaker 1: That's something could happen to him. And and this last
Speaker 1: point I'll make on it, the opportunity in front of
Speaker 1: him there is like he's in a very unique spot
Speaker 1: because if someone were to say who are the best
Speaker 1: players in the NBA over the next you know, six years,
Speaker 1: so Lebron's gone, Durant's probably aged out of it, Staff
Speaker 1: might be aged out of it. So like you know,
Speaker 1: from twenty twenty six to twenty thirty two, are the
Speaker 1: best players? People probably say, well, Yannis Luca Yokitch and
Speaker 1: then you say Job Tatum, whomever. Here's my point, there
Speaker 1: is a lot of money in being He's never going
Speaker 1: to be the best player in the league, but he
Speaker 1: might be the best American player in the league for
Speaker 1: a long time because all the guys ahead of him.
Speaker 1: There's different marketing available for the best American player. There's
Speaker 1: just is like they Luca and Yoki and Janis are
Speaker 1: not going to get all of the endorsements that the
Speaker 1: guy who's the best player in the league should get
Speaker 1: as an American guy. Would that could all go to job.
Speaker 1: People love him, he's electrifying, but the shit he's doing
Speaker 1: is dangerous. It's flatly dangerous. And I hope he I
Speaker 1: hope he gets that, and I hope he's I hope
Speaker 1: he's all right. So when Sean Payton would come on
Speaker 1: the show with me this year on Mondays, he said,
Speaker 1: you know, Parcels used to say, you're first fifteen picks,
Speaker 1: do not take an undersized player, regardless of position. Tua
Speaker 1: is not a top fifteen pick. Kyler Murray now we're finding,
Speaker 1: doesn't want to get hit. Jalen Hurts, great player, second round,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees, second round. Smaller players. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: Dave half this league is undrafted. So I look at
Speaker 1: Bryce Young. He's five ten and a half, that's about
Speaker 1: three inches short, and he's gonna weigh I mean in
Speaker 1: the combine he's over two hundred. He ate a lot
Speaker 1: of steaks and a lot of potash. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: know that he's gonna play at one ninety six. What
Speaker 1: do you do with him? I do think he's the
Speaker 1: most I think he has two things. I'll say he's
Speaker 1: accurate and Dave. I watched them in high school in college.
Speaker 1: His pocket awareness is fantastic. He has an absolute feel
Speaker 1: for the pocket, which I think Dave is a neat
Speaker 1: And eight, I don't think you can teach it. Some
Speaker 1: guys never Sam Darnold love him, never feels it. Ever,
Speaker 1: he runs away too early. He doesn't see it. Bryce
Speaker 1: Young's pocket awareness is a plus. Plus. He's small. He
Speaker 1: doesn't to me. He doesn't work in Chicago, a windy,
Speaker 1: cold northern environment. But God Houston, Dave, Atlanta a dome Dave.
Speaker 1: I don't know. How do you pass him up? No?
Speaker 1: I think that you know. I talked to him about eight.
Speaker 1: I'm a member of the thirty thirteam. Okay, Parcels actually
Speaker 1: got it started and we were talking on there. There
Speaker 1: was five or six general managers on there, and they
Speaker 1: talked to people around the lid GM's personnel people more
Speaker 1: than I do. And there is a real split feeling
Speaker 1: on these quarterbacks. I mean they bryce young. You're talking
Speaker 1: about in the right situation. But after this combine workout
Speaker 1: c J. Stroud, there's some people like there's one guy
Speaker 1: that was talking about Will Levins, how they like how
Speaker 1: he gets the ball out and for their style of offense,
Speaker 1: he would be perfect, you know. And then the Richardson's kid,
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got all the intangibles. I guess I
Speaker 1: have never studied him one year doing it makes me
Speaker 1: a little nervous with him. But the point is that
Speaker 1: there's not in NFL general manager's minds. There's not a
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence in this opinion, So you know, I would
Speaker 1: not be surprised. I mean, I think that it'll be
Speaker 1: Bryce Young, but I don't know. I mean, I've heard
Speaker 1: a lot of different stories, and it's a matter of
Speaker 1: who's going to fit in your offense. You talked about
Speaker 1: the different cities, the mentality of their offense. You know,
Speaker 1: it's it's gonna be real interesting. I don't know any
Speaker 1: negatives except the size. Look at you know, Drew Brees.
Speaker 1: People passed on him, we did at the Dolphins because
Speaker 1: of his size, but he was very accurate when he
Speaker 1: was at Purdue and he moved into pocket. He drew
Speaker 1: Brees did a lot of things that Bryce Bryce Young does.
Speaker 1: He really does without as good as supporting cast. And
Speaker 1: I have an Alabama Now. You know I said this
Speaker 1: in the preamble, So this interview about the combine, Belichick,
Speaker 1: Sean McVay, Matt Lafleur have said, Nah, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to go. Here's what I worry about, Dave. When you
Speaker 1: plan a college or a pro football season, you're hurt
Speaker 1: by week three. Nobody's healthy. You match up against guys
Speaker 1: that are bigger and stronger than you. I want to
Speaker 1: see game tape. I worry it's a complete cottage industry.
Speaker 1: Now coach prepping for the Wonderlick, prepping for the Combine. Shit,
Speaker 1: I think you get fooled. I think Belichick has been
Speaker 1: fooled by players. These guys come in, Dave. If I
Speaker 1: went to you and Trent Dilfer said something to me
Speaker 1: years ago, he goes, seventy five percent of these guys
Speaker 1: don't love football. They love what football provides for them.
Speaker 1: And I was told by my agent, get in the
Speaker 1: best shape of your life. You'll never have to work.
Speaker 1: You're going to be a late first rounder. Dave. I
Speaker 1: look at the combine now I think he get fooled
Speaker 1: a lot. I see some these combined beauty pageant contestants.
Speaker 1: I mean, where did you fallen on it? You know,
Speaker 1: I agree with it. Well, it wasn't it wasn't the
Speaker 1: extreme back then as it is now. But I work.
Speaker 1: I won't give the names. I've worked with about four
Speaker 1: or five agents in Naples, Florida, in your own stomping grounds,
Speaker 1: and they would bring in their college players and one
Speaker 1: of the challenges I had was get him to draw
Speaker 1: the circles called and picture this on a board, the
Speaker 1: circles of an offensive formation where one guy was drawn,
Speaker 1: you know, the size of a dinner plate, and the
Speaker 1: other guy, and then next to him was the guard.
Speaker 1: It was the size of a quarter. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: prepping him. So at the end of this week, all
Speaker 1: I did was what you're talking about, This is how
Speaker 1: you got to answer the questions. This is how when
Speaker 1: they drawing the board, this is what you got drawn.
Speaker 1: So you're one hundred percent right. And these guys are
Speaker 1: getting scold yes from the agent. But there's a lot
Speaker 1: of guys like mine, ex coaches, that are spending a
Speaker 1: lot of time with these guys. I sat in those
Speaker 1: meetings for over fifteen years as a head coach and
Speaker 1: a GM and head coach at the Dolphins, I asked
Speaker 1: those questions. I know what the coaches want to hear
Speaker 1: when the tape goes on and you make a mistake.
Speaker 1: I know exactly what they don't want to hear too, right.
Speaker 1: So I mean I'm one of those guys that's been
Speaker 1: been schooling them. You're one hundred percent right, Yeah, No,
Speaker 1: I mean, shit, there's a real industry out there for
Speaker 1: a Dave wants that. Dave, here's a lot of money
Speaker 1: eats these kids circles, how to draw circles. So Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers goes in a darkness retreat and know, my takeaway is,
Speaker 1: I'm pretty new school on this. I got fairly young kids.
Speaker 1: Whatever it takes for you to get your mind clear. Shit,
Speaker 1: I don't care, Dave. If you got to go to
Speaker 1: therapy when the season ends, go take six weeks, go
Speaker 1: find yourself. But I've had this belief for a long
Speaker 1: time that Farv and Aaron are really similar. That the
Speaker 1: lack of an owner allows the quarterback for the Packers,
Speaker 1: if talented, to essentially run the franchise. And because Green
Speaker 1: Bay is the smallest market. If they're bad at quarterback,
Speaker 1: they're not on television. In my childhood seventies and eighties,
Speaker 1: the Packers were never on television. They I mean, they
Speaker 1: really weren't, and I think they're paralyzed by it. If
Speaker 1: there was a Jerry Jones or an owner in Green
Speaker 1: Bay and Aaron said I'm going to go into darkness retreat,
Speaker 1: he'd say, well, when you're done with that, I want
Speaker 1: an answer. Or you're going to go in a darkness retreat,
Speaker 1: I'm going to send you to the Jets. You'll be
Speaker 1: dark for the rest of your career. You tell me
Speaker 1: when when you were with Jerry or Wayne Hyazinga, go
Speaker 1: back to all your owners, were there moments that an
Speaker 1: owner was actually really important to set a precedent, to
Speaker 1: be a voice to hold people accountable. Because Farvin Aaron
Speaker 1: have gone on this retirement threat tour, both of them
Speaker 1: for the last five years of their careers. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: would say no. I mean, that's probably not the answer
Speaker 1: you want to hear. But quite honestly, you know, I
Speaker 1: was at Miami when Wayne Heizenga hired me, and Dan
Speaker 1: Marino was at the end of his career and The
Speaker 1: first job that I had was Gwynn and sit down
Speaker 1: and talk to Dan, who I knew was a fellow
Speaker 1: pit guy University of Pittsburgh, and tell him that we
Speaker 1: were changing offenses. And I didn't see there being a
Speaker 1: fit that he could be on the team, but we
Speaker 1: were going to go a different direction. On and on.
Speaker 1: I have chan Daily, who was going to do a
Speaker 1: lot of movement stoff not to drop back. We were
Speaker 1: changing the Don Shula offense. When Jimmy was there, he
Speaker 1: kept that pretty much in place. I was completely getting
Speaker 1: a new playbook, and so I kind of went through that.
Speaker 1: Wayne Isaeka was never involved with it. Jerry Jones when
Speaker 1: I was at the Cowboys when Jimmy Johnson was there,
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones was never involved in what was going on
Speaker 1: with Troy Anklin. Never It would have never happened. Jimmy
Speaker 1: would have left earlier if that was the case. I
Speaker 1: mean he would have. He wouldn't have put up with it.
Speaker 1: So I wouldn't buy that. I does it bother you?
Speaker 1: Does it bother you that Aaron has sort of a
Speaker 1: laws a fair attitude on updating the Packers. Yeah, it does,
Speaker 1: because last year we made a commitment to him. I mean,
Speaker 1: we really did. And yeah, it's a two way street.
Speaker 1: I get that because we kind of went through the
Speaker 1: same thing last year and we made this big commitment,
Speaker 1: big money commitment. So it does bother me. I personally
Speaker 1: think he'll end up back there. I mean, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: there's a hook to go maybe with the Raiders with
Speaker 1: Davante Adams because he's a buddy here. There's a hook
Speaker 1: to go with Hackett to the Jets because it might
Speaker 1: be a similar offense. But I don't think Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: wants a lot of change and he knows what he's
Speaker 1: getting in Green Bay with Lafloor. He knows the offense,
Speaker 1: he knows the receivers. You know, I don't know he
Speaker 1: knows what he wants to do. Talk about a guy
Speaker 1: as an offseason routine. Now, all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: go to the Jets and they want you in the
Speaker 1: weight room four days a week, you know, I mean,
Speaker 1: routine's change that is not going to finish. That was
Speaker 1: the biggest thing with Dan Marino and Dan and I
Speaker 1: talked about. I says, Hey, it ain't gonna be like
Speaker 1: it was. Dan. You know, we're gonna start OTAs like
Speaker 1: Tamar and we're gonna get in the offseason program. Tamar
Speaker 1: whoa coach, I got offseason commitments, and I go. Dan
Speaker 1: had a lot of stuff going on, you can imagine,
Speaker 1: and it's been that way. He deserved it for years,
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden we were going to change that.
Speaker 1: The routine change in his mind, I think was as
Speaker 1: much as anything. I think that's gonna play a part
Speaker 1: in this with Aaron Rodgers at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I truly do. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, listen, you drafted
Speaker 1: Jordan Love in the first round. At some point you
Speaker 1: have to pay. You don't want to pay him before
Speaker 1: you've seen if he can play. And you know he's
Speaker 1: a tough one to sign. So because if you make
Speaker 1: a trade for Aaron Rodgers, okay, if I'm at the Jets,
Speaker 1: the Packers are gonna want multiple picks. Well, it can't
Speaker 1: be multiple picks. This is a one year deal. In
Speaker 1: their minds, we'll give you something for one year and
Speaker 1: then if it happens the next year, maybe we'll do
Speaker 1: something for the next year. But I think it's a
Speaker 1: tough sell to get somebody to give up a lot
Speaker 1: to get Aaron Rodgers think about it when you're when
Speaker 1: you're back of your mind, you're thinking, this could be
Speaker 1: a one and done situation. If he didn't like it
Speaker 1: at Green Bay when an MVP's you know, he could
Speaker 1: surely have a problem with us. With the new system
Speaker 1: and new players, a new city, a new place to live,
Speaker 1: news media. I mean, so it's a one year deal.
Speaker 1: In my mind, if I'm on the they're in thinking
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