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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is poetry. You don't edit poetry, well, you do

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<v Speaker 2>edit poetry.

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<v Speaker 3>One of the things with poetry and poetry.

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<v Speaker 1>Stop talking. Welcome, Welcomed, It could happen here twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five Q and A edition. We have the whole team here,

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<v Speaker 1>Mia Garrison, James, Robert Evans. I'm your producer, Sophie Lichterman.

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna answer some of your questions. How's everybody feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Great, trepidacious, amazing, bad. I just got back from vacation,

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<v Speaker 2>so anything's going to be bad. That's not me continuing

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<v Speaker 2>to not look at my phone or computer.

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<v Speaker 1>Great.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you should stop looking at the phone.

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<v Speaker 5>Hey, you guys, have you.

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<v Speaker 2>Guys aware what this Trump dude's doing?

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<v Speaker 6>Jesus Christ, very very yea. I went to the WJA

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<v Speaker 6>holiday party this weekend and the amount of like twenty

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<v Speaker 6>seventeen Trump jokes I had to hear.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh no, that's I'm against humanity.

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<v Speaker 5>God.

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<v Speaker 4>I love I love that party. I love that party.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to a holiday party tonight with some friends

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<v Speaker 3>who do insurance for people who live in the US

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<v Speaker 3>and go to Mexico, so I'm sure I will get

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<v Speaker 3>lots of fun and exciting anecdotes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I am throwing a holiday party and planning it

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<v Speaker 2>with a four year old, which is exciting. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be good.

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<v Speaker 1>One of my favorite experiences as us having our job

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<v Speaker 1>is at almost every partday I go to somebody's like,

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<v Speaker 1>so those the news.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, people just st to just summarize the fucking news.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, not good. Listen to executive disorder now.

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<v Speaker 6>I had to explain seven six four to a screenwriter

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<v Speaker 6>yesterday and they were not happy.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone who goes to a party that I am at

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<v Speaker 2>knows that there's a gun on the table. If anyone

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<v Speaker 2>asks me how the.

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<v Speaker 1>News is that, that's just the sprace that way fucking out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, what's going on over there?

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<v Speaker 3>Erin Burma.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's let's let's answer some questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's all right, so we posted on Blue Sky, we

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<v Speaker 1>posted on Instagram, and we have some of your questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start out with with a fun one. Can we

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<v Speaker 1>have a fun, non incriminating story from your youth, any

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<v Speaker 1>in all of.

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<v Speaker 2>You, no fun, non incriminating story about you.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, for Robert, this is and James and maybe me.

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<v Speaker 6>Statute of limitations for all of you should be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Garrison.

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<v Speaker 4>I cannot answer this at all.

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<v Speaker 6>I have a lot of interesting stories, but I've tried

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<v Speaker 6>to think of something from my youth that I could

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<v Speaker 6>actually share.

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<v Speaker 3>I can do one that I think non incriminating. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>sad about having been part of it, but that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gored by a bull when I was younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Story. I feel like if we put money on it,

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<v Speaker 2>like two of us would have bet a bull was involved.

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<v Speaker 3>I've actually been present at several gorings various species. I

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<v Speaker 3>probably have most of the gorings that it's available for

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<v Speaker 3>a human being to witness because I've seen like a

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<v Speaker 3>water buffalo goring.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh nice, that's got to be like the top goring.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was a really unpleasant day for everyone involved.

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<v Speaker 3>A guy lost the use of his of his legs

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<v Speaker 3>for a period as she recovered it later, which is nice.

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<v Speaker 2>So you can laugh about it, yeah, fun laugh about it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Well it's a funny. It's a funny story.

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<v Speaker 2>It's fun.

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<v Speaker 3>First of all, you shouldn't be unkind to animals, so

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<v Speaker 3>I did deserve it, right. I don't think you should

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<v Speaker 3>torn animals for human pleasure. I don't think you should

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<v Speaker 3>make them suffer, and if you do, it's kind of

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<v Speaker 3>your fault. So in that sense, it's funny.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know that I've ever heard of a goring

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<v Speaker 2>where I wasn't like, well, the animal was in the

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<v Speaker 2>right clear.

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<v Speaker 3>I've earned the bull team of this. The funny part

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<v Speaker 3>was that my friend who was staying with me, had

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<v Speaker 3>previously not driven a manual vehicle. I had broken probably

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<v Speaker 3>the bulk of my ribs right, like a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>rib breaking, and we drove home like that, learning to

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<v Speaker 3>use to clutch on the way, And that was one

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<v Speaker 3>of the most painful experiences I think that's available to

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<v Speaker 3>a human being.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it bad that the story that popped into my

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<v Speaker 1>head was when I ripped my pants in front of

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<v Speaker 1>the entire eighth grade class at our school picnic because

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<v Speaker 1>I was wearing way too skinny of jeans playing basketball

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<v Speaker 1>and my pants ripped and I was wearing TMI red

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<v Speaker 1>onnies and pants ripped, so like my entire butt.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's got to leave some scars. Yeah, that for me.

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<v Speaker 1>As as a person that I feel like, you just

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<v Speaker 1>fuck the Yeah. But that was my fun non incriminating

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<v Speaker 1>story from you.

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<v Speaker 2>Was the time.

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<v Speaker 1>From the entire eighth grade class that are like graduation picnic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that you were like skinny jeans Icarus, Like

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<v Speaker 3>that's something that.

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<v Speaker 5>Tight.

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<v Speaker 3>Why why it was the way things were back then.

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<v Speaker 1>So I know, I know, Robert, you have to have

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<v Speaker 1>a fun one. I do.

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<v Speaker 3>I do.

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<v Speaker 2>What's the statute limitations on murder?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 6>No?

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<v Speaker 3>Very couple of weeks?

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<v Speaker 2>Fine, now I'll tell I'll tell a pants splitting story too.

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<v Speaker 2>I got a really good one, Sovie. So I'm in

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in rural northern India in this town called rishikash

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<v Speaker 2>which is where like it's where like the Beatles had

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<v Speaker 2>their Ashram. It's like a holy city. There's a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of yoga there. You're up in like the Himalayan foothills.

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<v Speaker 2>It's beautiful. The ganjes is actually like clean enough to

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<v Speaker 2>swim in up there. But it's also crazy whitewater rapids.

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<v Speaker 2>And we're going like whitewater rafting one day and I

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<v Speaker 2>grab I buy a pair of like pants that are

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<v Speaker 2>like it's like it's like a long set of like

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<v Speaker 2>athletic you know, tights or whatever like that to have

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<v Speaker 2>on the boat because like, okay, that'll that'll make sense.

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<v Speaker 2>They zip so I can keep you know, some cash

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever in them, and we're going down the Ganjis.

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<v Speaker 2>We're doing this whitewater raft and we hit a calm

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<v Speaker 2>spot and the guy's like, okay, everybody wants to get

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<v Speaker 2>in the water, hop out, and I hop out, And

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<v Speaker 2>immediately two things become clear. Number One, the quality of

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<v Speaker 2>text styles that you purchase in a market in India

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<v Speaker 2>not necessarily up to the standards of a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>other countries. Number Two, the Ganji's mighty river. So my

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<v Speaker 2>pants immediately are gone, like just instantly, as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>the water torn off by the gangis. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>am so I am realizing this that now I am

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<v Speaker 2>naked from the waist down. We are surrounded on both

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<v Speaker 2>sides by a very holy city, and we are heading

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<v Speaker 2>towards the rocks. So I have to get back in

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<v Speaker 2>the boat in fairly short order. This presents a problem

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<v Speaker 2>because again, as we're getting like buffalo buffeted around, I

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<v Speaker 2>have to get like help pulled up into the boat.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely everything moving on the entire side of this secret city.

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<v Speaker 2>So now I'm in the boat naked from the waist down.

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<v Speaker 2>But I come up with a plant I did I

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<v Speaker 2>do solve it? I take my shirt off and I

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<v Speaker 2>put my legs through the armholes and I got a

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<v Speaker 2>neck hole and I'm just my pants my shirt.

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<v Speaker 4>Is what a sight.

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<v Speaker 2>We went to lunch that way.

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<v Speaker 3>There's still a restaurant there where they won't let Robert.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, James, there's more than one restaurant, Indie, I can't

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<v Speaker 2>go back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's a hotel in Bangkok that neither of us

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<v Speaker 3>can go back to.

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<v Speaker 2>But no, they handled you puking in the parking lot

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<v Speaker 2>like a trooper.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I puked directly into my nalgene like it, considering.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly like a hero, Like a hero, James.

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<v Speaker 3>And then send a picture to Sophie.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was before I worked here. I sent a

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<v Speaker 3>picture to Sophie of Nalgene for the puke, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, let's hire that guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like you get thirty seconds into our relationship

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<v Speaker 2>that I told Sophia a story about me puking. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>It was like fifteen seconds. Yeah, yeah, it might have

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<v Speaker 1>been fifteen anyways, Robert, can we get an update to

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<v Speaker 1>the sequel of After the Revolution?

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<v Speaker 2>It's done. I'm editing it. I even got edits back

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<v Speaker 2>from my editor. I'm edit it should have been done

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<v Speaker 2>so much faster. I could, like bring up the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that my dad died last year, but that's really just

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<v Speaker 2>me trying to make you feel sorry for me, and

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that I am well past the time at

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<v Speaker 2>which I expected to have this book done. But it

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<v Speaker 2>is done and I'm finishing it and you will get

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<v Speaker 2>to read it. Suit, I'm sorry.

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<v Speaker 4>Good for you, Good for you, Robert.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow, incredible.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you plan to cover recent political developments in Canada?

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like that's a gair question.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, the answer is always yes.

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<v Speaker 2>The answer is yes to all of like, yes, we

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<v Speaker 2>will be covering Canada.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, especially Alberta.

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<v Speaker 6>I've been wanting to do stuff on Alberta and the

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<v Speaker 6>Conservative Party there and a few of the key figures

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<v Speaker 6>for a while. I've you know, we've all been busy.

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<v Speaker 6>But yes, I should eventually do a dedicated thing I

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<v Speaker 6>gat like and I do occasionally, right, usually usually once

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<v Speaker 6>or twice a year. I try to get some Canada

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<v Speaker 6>related things.

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<v Speaker 3>I've talked about Canada gar and I I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>did something.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I me'd like the Canadian election happened this year, right,

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<v Speaker 6>Supreme Leader Carney is it is still still in power.

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<v Speaker 4>And will be for a while.

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<v Speaker 6>But yeah, specifically, the Alberta Conservative Party is rife with

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<v Speaker 6>potential stories.

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<v Speaker 1>My recent political development in Canada that I would like

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about is what's his name dating Katy Perry?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, because it makes me upset?

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<v Speaker 4>Wait, who, that's not our problem anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>That's one famous Canadian person is It's justin.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just famous Jesus, not Bieber, not Biever Trudeau.

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<v Speaker 3>True, Okay, okay, still bad, still weird.

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<v Speaker 4>Tudeau and Katy Perry are dating a match made in Heaven.

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<v Speaker 1>Their Instagram official and the photos are upsetting.

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<v Speaker 2>I do feel like this is the potential we have

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<v Speaker 2>a potential for, like the one Ring of couples Halloween

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<v Speaker 2>costumes situation to happen here, and I'm excited for that.

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<v Speaker 6>But no, I'm I'm I'm living pretty close to Canada now,

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<v Speaker 6>so I would like to travel up and do more

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<v Speaker 6>Canadian stuff in the next year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you love Canada, Garrison, great deal.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. As a general rule, people, if you're ever asking, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>this major thing is happening in another country, are you

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<v Speaker 2>guys going to cover it? The answer is probably yes.

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<v Speaker 2>But there are how many people are on this call

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<v Speaker 2>five people, and there are I believe ten countries in

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<v Speaker 2>the world at least.

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<v Speaker 6>So many are saying more, well, everyone's in a while,

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<v Speaker 6>this is a civil war, and one of those splits

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<v Speaker 6>into two. So I think there's actually eleven countries right now.

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<v Speaker 2>It's somewhere between five and eleven countries.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, ironically, when there is a civil war, there's

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<v Speaker 3>a decent chance. So I'll be traveling there and the

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<v Speaker 3>twelve months.

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<v Speaker 2>We have a pretty broad remit here, and I do

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<v Speaker 2>think we cover a lot of ground. But again, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's only so many people on the team, and

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<v Speaker 2>we have so many days in the week. So the

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<v Speaker 2>answer is generally, if we think we can and have

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<v Speaker 2>more to tell you than like here's an article I read,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll try to do it. But yeah, you know, world

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<v Speaker 2>big as small.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, and there are other people who do excellent

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<v Speaker 3>work on lost of things, so like, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>don't have to cover everything.

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<v Speaker 4>God, I missed the trucker convoy. That was fun.

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<v Speaker 2>That was a just forgot about that.

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<v Speaker 3>What about Roma Yadlu she's still kicking around Canada, Queen

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<v Speaker 3>of Canada.

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<v Speaker 2>She got arrested recently. I don't know if she's out

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<v Speaker 2>on bail or whatever they call it, and poutine bail

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<v Speaker 2>or whatever in Canada, but they can't arrest her robot

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<v Speaker 2>because she's the queen. Anyways, notes about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what's a fiction book that y'all have been reading lately?

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<v Speaker 4>Ooh?

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<v Speaker 1>My answer is I work too much. I haven't read

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<v Speaker 1>any good fiction book lately.

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<v Speaker 4>I've been reading a sci fi book called Children of Time.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh good, Oh, Adrian Tracossi, great guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I just read Winter in Madrid, because even when

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<v Speaker 3>I'm reading fiction books, it still has to be about

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<v Speaker 3>a Spanish civil war.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so funny, that makes sense for you.

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<v Speaker 3>Load bearing element of my personality.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm restarting Sirens of Titan for the first time since

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<v Speaker 2>I was a little kid, which is Kurt Vonnegut's sci

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<v Speaker 2>fi novel and like everything Kurt Vonnegut wrote one of

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<v Speaker 2>the best to ever do it. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was on vacation, so I was just rereading some

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<v Speaker 2>Warhammer books to not think about the news when I

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<v Speaker 2>needed to look at a device.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I'm gonna try to take a little time off

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<v Speaker 1>around the holiday. So if people have good fiction books

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<v Speaker 1>to recommend me, message me on Blue Sky.

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<v Speaker 5>I've been listening to Oh God, like the entire Kate

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<v Speaker 5>Daniels series, which is a very fun sort of urban

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<v Speaker 5>fantasy series where they have a magic apocalypse where sometimes

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<v Speaker 5>there's these magic waves and magic works and technology stops working,

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<v Speaker 5>but then they just flip randomly and so technology works

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<v Speaker 5>in magic don.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's basically the plot line is shatter on Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and it's fun.

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<v Speaker 9>I got absolutely flashbang jump scared by one of the

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<v Speaker 9>characters in one of the spinoffs doing a full analysis

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<v Speaker 9>of the whole translation debacle of the old world is dying,

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<v Speaker 9>the new world struggles to be born. Now is a

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<v Speaker 9>time of monsters, which I was not expecting the author

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<v Speaker 9>of this fantasy book to know about. So it's a

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<v Speaker 9>fun time. Yeah, there's lions, there's were hyaenas. It's it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>We'd like to see it cool.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we're going to.

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<v Speaker 1>Take a quick break and we'll come back and continue

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<v Speaker 1>answering some questions.

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<v Speaker 2>We're back.

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<v Speaker 1>So on that note, there's a broader question and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a favorite media from twenty twenty five can be books, shows, movies, games,

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<v Speaker 1>et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, and or's gonna be up there for me.

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<v Speaker 4>And Door season two is definitely gonna be hard to be.

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<v Speaker 1>I really enjoyed that that new show, The Pit, the

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<v Speaker 1>medical show.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I've heard good things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah you would like that.

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<v Speaker 1>I liked it. It made me dizzy, but I liked it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was interesting. I mean, we'll see how it does

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<v Speaker 1>in season two. But the first season I was like, huh.

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<v Speaker 2>I finally started watching that smiling Friends show and that's fun.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh cool for for TV shows for me. Besides like

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<v Speaker 6>and Orch's which is good. I think Rehearsal season two

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<v Speaker 6>and the Paramount Nazi.

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<v Speaker 2>Episode season two, Yeah, yeah, it's more and more after

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<v Speaker 2>single phenomenal.

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<v Speaker 6>As well as Tim Robinson's a new show, Chair Company,

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<v Speaker 6>which I gets to the American conspiracy mindset better than

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<v Speaker 6>almost anything I've seen. No parts of that are like

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<v Speaker 6>rival that can film. Yeah, I still think. I still

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<v Speaker 6>think Eddington is pretty good. It doesn't have as much

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<v Speaker 6>like a depth or humanity as like one battle after another,

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<v Speaker 6>which I quite enjoyed.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that a lot too. I watched the first

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<v Speaker 2>two episodes of Chair Company and then was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>need to wait until they are all out so I

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<v Speaker 2>can derange myself and like stay up until Dawn watch.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, it's so good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the way I need to encounter this. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>excited for that.

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<v Speaker 6>I finished Chair Company now and it consistently keeps hitting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think Tim Robinson is capable of not pleasing

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<v Speaker 2>me at this point.

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<v Speaker 4>That's good. That's a that's a healthy relationship.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the on on Netflix Adolescence that that mini

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<v Speaker 1>series that was pretty good. The acting is incredible. There's

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<v Speaker 1>just so many things this year that we're pretty decent.

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<v Speaker 2>TV has been good.

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<v Speaker 1>TV's been good.

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<v Speaker 2>TV has been good.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, I haven't watched Shit. I've just watched I've watched

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<v Speaker 9>and Or and nothing else. So Hades too great game,

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<v Speaker 9>very fun. Yeah, det de Cronos, et cetera, et cetera. Also,

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<v Speaker 9>I want to talk about One of the Boys, which

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<v Speaker 9>is a book from the beginning of this year we

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<v Speaker 9>talked about on the show. That's a really really interesting

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<v Speaker 9>basically like sort of like a coming of age story

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<v Speaker 9>about a trans girl who's trying to go who goes

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<v Speaker 9>back to her football team, and there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>really interesting stuff there about the relationship between transfemininity and masculinity,

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<v Speaker 9>and you know, the sort of like politics of sports,

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<v Speaker 9>and it's it's also just really fun. Has the best

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<v Speaker 9>written group chats I've ever seen in any piece of media.

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<v Speaker 9>So ship Rocks, Yeah, it's it's great. One of the boys, victoria' zeller,

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<v Speaker 9>it's it's fun.

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<v Speaker 2>I also watched Paradise. The ostensible focus on the show

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<v Speaker 2>is that like a secret service agent goes to live

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<v Speaker 2>with a president who is retired after like you know

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<v Speaker 2>how the detail that they stay with and it becomes

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<v Speaker 2>clear over the course of episode one this isn't really

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<v Speaker 2>a spoiler that the president is living in an underground

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<v Speaker 2>bunker with all of the other survivors of a catastrophe

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<v Speaker 2>that ended the world. And so it's like all of

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<v Speaker 2>the leadership cadra of the United States living underground in

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<v Speaker 2>a bunker after the world has ended, and then it

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<v Speaker 2>turns into a murder mystery. It's pretty good. It's fun nice.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't watch much TV, yeah, but I have been

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<v Speaker 3>enjoying sticking to the theme. I guess ak Press have

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<v Speaker 3>a translation now of two books that I very much

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<v Speaker 3>enjoyed reading in other languages. One is called Zaragossa Bound,

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<v Speaker 3>which is exclusively about the Druti column. I think it's

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<v Speaker 3>probably the best book I've read on the Druti Column

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<v Speaker 3>and Sons of Night by Antoine Jimenez, who was actually

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<v Speaker 3>that was not his birth name, but he was an

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<v Speaker 3>Haalian anarchist who fought with the International Group of the

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<v Speaker 3>Druti Column and it's his diary. And then he later

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<v Speaker 3>like in later life, was a groundskeeper at like the

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<v Speaker 3>Libertarian People's Club in Marseille, and after his passing, the

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<v Speaker 3>young people at the club found his diaries, publish him

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<v Speaker 3>and then have these like incredible series of annotations like

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<v Speaker 3>two thirty. The book is, it's annotations, but it's really

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<v Speaker 3>well done. So I like that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, I think I can answer this next one. Given

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<v Speaker 1>how we see media companies from Disney to Conde and

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<v Speaker 1>ask purge or otherwise censor anyone centing against Trump. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you fear iHeartRadio doing something to cool Zone. My answer

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<v Speaker 1>is they've never, They've never censored us in the in

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<v Speaker 1>the past, so I don't see it happening in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>But you never know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean anything can happen. It's media. I'm on

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<v Speaker 2>my third or fourth industry depending on how you count it,

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<v Speaker 2>within the digital media space. But like what I'll tell you, right,

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<v Speaker 2>now is that at the moment, and this has been

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<v Speaker 2>true for almost a decade, we make them money and

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<v Speaker 2>they in return say, keep doing what you're doing, kid, kiddos, bukaroos.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, that's about as good as it ever gets

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<v Speaker 2>in media, in journalism. So you know, let's keep our

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<v Speaker 2>fingers crossed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep. What was a piece or series cools one media

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<v Speaker 1>put together in the past year twenty twenty five that

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<v Speaker 1>you were most proud or happy to be part of?

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<v Speaker 4>What about you gare?

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<v Speaker 6>Probably the piece that I'm most proud of in like

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<v Speaker 6>a reflective sense is the dog Whistle Politics episode I did.

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<v Speaker 6>I still think that's really relevant and a useful addition

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<v Speaker 6>to like our cultural dialogue around understanding dog whistles coming

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<v Speaker 6>out of the Trump administration. And like, even still now

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<v Speaker 6>I will see see posts with people decoding false messages

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<v Speaker 6>in overtly like nationalistic communications from the DHS again, and

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<v Speaker 6>then this whole focus on like dog whistles versus the

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<v Speaker 6>actual implementation of their which they're already doing. A few

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<v Speaker 6>times this year, DHS has posted just very very blatant,

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<v Speaker 6>like fast wave of stuff. They posted a moon Man

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<v Speaker 6>meme earlier this year, right and if if you told

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<v Speaker 6>years ago, we would have like I don't know, I

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<v Speaker 6>don't know what we would.

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<v Speaker 2>Have had I would have had I would have fifty

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<v Speaker 2>one fifty yeah, yeah, I would have put your ass

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<v Speaker 2>on a seventy two hour hold.

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<v Speaker 6>So, like there's obvious stuff like that, Like yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 6>they're they're clearly clearly doing like intentional nods towards like

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<v Speaker 6>online fascist memes. And then they are also just posting regular,

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<v Speaker 6>regular sentiments of like nationalist policy that people are then

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<v Speaker 6>reading in coded statements to. And I don't think that

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<v Speaker 6>whole practice is super useful when they're actually implementing this stuff.

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<v Speaker 6>And I think the sort of like anti ice protests

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<v Speaker 6>you see in Chicago and like in New York on

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<v Speaker 6>Connell Street, it's a way more useful way to channel

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<v Speaker 6>frustration at the administration and like a frustration around like

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<v Speaker 6>this nationalist immigration stuff, rather than trying to you know,

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<v Speaker 6>look for these maybe real, maybe not coded messages on

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<v Speaker 6>X the everything app.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm proud of the Zizzian episodes that I did

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<v Speaker 2>earlier this year, and those are my best episodes of

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<v Speaker 2>the year, you know, I'm particularly this year have done

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more back end supporting work, but I'm continue

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<v Speaker 2>to be extremely proud of how ed Xytron's both show

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<v Speaker 2>and influence in the industry that he covers has grown,

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<v Speaker 2>especially as he's been really on the ball ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>some of the breaking of open ais irrational exuberance. Been

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<v Speaker 2>really happy to play a small role in that. It's

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<v Speaker 2>just really satisfying to like stumble onto somebody and be like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>I think this person has some good things to say.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to try to get that out to more people,

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<v Speaker 2>and then really feel like, yeah, that was the right call.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out this was exactly the voice that needed to

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<v Speaker 2>be louder in this space. That just feels good. It's

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<v Speaker 2>the kind of it's a kind of good feeling that

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<v Speaker 2>you only really get in this business, and it really

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<v Speaker 2>makes up for all of the bad feelings that you

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<v Speaker 2>also only get in this business.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I have two things. One

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<v Speaker 9>on sort of just a personal level, I'm really proud

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<v Speaker 9>of the episode that I did that was sort of

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<v Speaker 9>about Elon Musks Nazi Salute, but was mostly about the

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<v Speaker 9>way that all of our reality has been consumed by

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<v Speaker 9>spectacle and the way that we relate to each other

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<v Speaker 9>through you know, through screens and through like images of

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<v Speaker 9>media in a very you know, so this was this

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<v Speaker 9>was a very guide to board sciety these medical episode.

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<v Speaker 9>But I'm really proud of how that episode played out

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<v Speaker 9>and how I think in a lot of ways it

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<v Speaker 9>kind of it kind of predicted some of what's been

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<v Speaker 9>happening in terms of, you know, if you look at

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<v Speaker 9>the sort of decrease and use to social media over

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<v Speaker 9>the last sort of year and the turn away from

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<v Speaker 9>these these these social relationships that are purely mediated by

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<v Speaker 9>images that suck and make you miserable all the time.

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<v Speaker 9>And the ether thing that I'm really proud of is

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<v Speaker 9>some coverage we did about the Republicans attempt in the

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<v Speaker 9>in one of the one of the previous budget fights

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<v Speaker 9>to impose a role that would have blocked Medicaid from

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<v Speaker 9>covering trans healthcare. And we covered it and we helped

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<v Speaker 9>blow it up and we help get that killed, and

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<v Speaker 9>that rocks. I don't know, it's awesome. I'm really proud

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<v Speaker 9>of it. I'm also really proud of the trans News

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<v Speaker 9>Network people, Yeah, particularly like Medicals again and Miria Levigne

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<v Speaker 9>who did a really great job covering that and helping

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<v Speaker 9>stop it, and it rocks love us see it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think for me, like still the border stuff. Really

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<v Speaker 3>it made me really happy that like last year I

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<v Speaker 3>went to the jungle and made a podcast and now

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<v Speaker 3>one of the people I met has a place to live.

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<v Speaker 3>That's really cool, and like it really makes me happy.

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<v Speaker 3>Like not just when we can like shift the discourse.

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<v Speaker 3>I think that's cool, but also when people listen to

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<v Speaker 3>that and then change the things that they do, like

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<v Speaker 3>every day or some like that's always what you want.

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<v Speaker 3>What I want as a journalist is like for people

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<v Speaker 3>to listen and care guess why I go to places,

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<v Speaker 3>And so it's been really cool to see people and

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<v Speaker 3>just to run into people engaging in like mutual aid

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<v Speaker 3>at the boarder and then then like them slowly realize

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<v Speaker 3>that I'm the person that they listened to on a

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<v Speaker 3>podcast a year ago or two years ago whatever. Is

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<v Speaker 3>kind of funny. But yet I think I'm really proud

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<v Speaker 3>of that, and I'm proud of all the people in

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<v Speaker 3>the second series for all the stuff that they've done.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm super proud of the anti vaxx America series that

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<v Speaker 1>I commissioned Steven to do. I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>really good, complete project that covered the story in depth

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<v Speaker 1>more than anyone else. So if you haven't checked that out,

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<v Speaker 1>check it out. We're going to go to another quick

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<v Speaker 1>break and then we'll answer a couple more questions.

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<v Speaker 8>Sound good, cool, Yep, we're back all right.

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<v Speaker 1>This question says, as we become jokrified, Sure.

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<v Speaker 4>As we all become jokerified.

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<v Speaker 1>Eventually, what did it for each of you? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just say, let's let's just answer in like the

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<v Speaker 1>last year.

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<v Speaker 6>Sure not not overall a recent jokerification inciting incident.

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<v Speaker 1>I can answer that, And that might also be career

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<v Speaker 1>since it's when we couldn't get into the DNC for

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<v Speaker 1>comm layers to speech.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh no, that was nothing to me. That hurt me.

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<v Speaker 1>That hurt me so much because the DNC was so depressing.

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<v Speaker 4>It was so depressing, and.

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<v Speaker 2>The DNC was way worse than the RNC.

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<v Speaker 6>Post DNC certainly was a jokerifying moment for me.

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<v Speaker 2>It hurts Garrison. I had people reaching out to me

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<v Speaker 2>in Portland who were worried about you after the DMC.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the DNC was a jokerifying moment. I guess to

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<v Speaker 6>piggyback off that though in terms of like a re

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<v Speaker 6>sent joker moment working on the like Democrat left wing

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:07.639
<v Speaker 6>conspiracy stuff really did a number on me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, and just like like seeing the scale of that stuff,

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<v Speaker 6>especially around like the Charlie Kirk assassination, and just that

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<v Speaker 6>that that whole moment definitely was like just drilling into

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<v Speaker 6>my head.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, those uh, like truth tunnels that people went.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole team could attest to this, I was getting

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<v Speaker 4>pretty out there.

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<v Speaker 3>You can't get back to Garrison sustained damage.

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<v Speaker 2>The uniformity of the embrace of counter factuals is like, like,

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<v Speaker 2>I I don't even know what to do about it anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't feel like fact checking works. Yeah, I feel

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<v Speaker 2>like positing alternate facts feels bad too, because then you're

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<v Speaker 2>just like saying, well, I guess we're just openly having

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<v Speaker 2>a life fight. Let's all have a big life fight.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see who's live.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>No, And when you're when you're trying to be the

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<v Speaker 6>only one holding on to like the like life raft

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<v Speaker 6>of truth as everyone as everyone else is like drowning

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<v Speaker 6>and like mad at you.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's like I, yeah, I don't know, you don't

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<v Speaker 4>know how to handle that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Whenever I encounter someone who's like you think Trump got

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<v Speaker 2>shot in the ear, Like, yes, yes, I do. Yes,

0:26:17.160 --> 0:26:19.560
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I do think he got shot in the ear.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>And also can we not like what it's a year

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<v Speaker 3>ago late, like we're here now.

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<v Speaker 2>That one is so comprehensively disappointed to me because one

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<v Speaker 2>of the little things it reveals is that there's even

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<v Speaker 2>among progressives in the left, this belief that like, someone

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<v Speaker 2>can't be injured by a gun and handle it reasonably

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<v Speaker 2>well and not be a good person. Right, right, you

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<v Speaker 2>have faked the fact that he didn't like can and

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<v Speaker 2>piss himself. It has to be fake. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 2>he just like didn't freak out or whatever on a

0:26:49.400 --> 0:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>huge mine shows a huge adrenal. Have you ever been

0:26:51.960 --> 0:26:54.439
<v Speaker 2>shot at It's like when you get when you realize

0:26:54.440 --> 0:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>you didn't get hit, it feels awesome. Yeah, you're living.

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<v Speaker 3>You are surfing a cloud for a while there you're

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<v Speaker 3>not anymore.

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<v Speaker 6>I think the insights I got from this like left

0:27:03.840 --> 0:27:08.080
<v Speaker 6>wing conspiracism, like like seizure. Right, this is like the

0:27:08.119 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 6>seizure of the left embracing desk. I got one of

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<v Speaker 6>the biggest points of clarity I was on, like what's

0:27:12.760 --> 0:27:17.679
<v Speaker 6>happening right now? Is this like tactical flattening of especially

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<v Speaker 6>after the Charlie Kirk stuff as well, Like with the

0:27:19.520 --> 0:27:24.800
<v Speaker 6>right wing embracing this like cultural cancelation strategy of trying

0:27:24.800 --> 0:27:27.400
<v Speaker 6>to get people fired for saying things online, which they've

0:27:27.400 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 6>tried to do before but was done way more successfully

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<v Speaker 6>that month, and like directed by the administration, and then

0:27:32.680 --> 0:27:37.840
<v Speaker 6>the left embracing a style of conspiratorial thinking that previously

0:27:38.000 --> 0:27:41.760
<v Speaker 6>was really only embraced as fully on the right. So

0:27:41.800 --> 0:27:44.200
<v Speaker 6>like this, this this flattening of tactics across the left

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<v Speaker 6>and the right, I think has been a useful way

0:27:45.720 --> 0:27:46.920
<v Speaker 6>to look at our current situation.

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<v Speaker 3>For me, Yeah, the ice guided missiles, Yeah man, that

0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.240
<v Speaker 3>fully fucking sent me like as someone who's been a

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<v Speaker 3>journalist for a while, just seeing these outlets that you

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<v Speaker 3>were previously kind of like the first time I had

0:28:00.960 --> 0:28:03.320
<v Speaker 3>a byline in Mother Jones, I was pumped. Yeah, and

0:28:03.320 --> 0:28:05.439
<v Speaker 3>then here they are just being like, love to know

0:28:05.560 --> 0:28:06.919
<v Speaker 3>more about these missiles.

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<v Speaker 5>We have that.

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<v Speaker 2>Job, look at it.

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:11.960
<v Speaker 3>I literally did that while I was like waiting for

0:28:12.080 --> 0:28:14.160
<v Speaker 3>coffee or having a shit or something like. It took

0:28:14.200 --> 0:28:18.239
<v Speaker 3>me that much time on my telephone to find that contract, Like,

0:28:18.640 --> 0:28:20.000
<v Speaker 3>what is wrong with people.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, it's all just fucking shibolettes and virtue signaling boat

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 2>like that. Why would that be worse if I've had

0:28:26.840 --> 0:28:28.800
<v Speaker 2>guided missiles? Do you know how guided missiles work? Do

0:28:28.840 --> 0:28:30.520
<v Speaker 2>you know the kind of tail that's required to make

0:28:30.560 --> 0:28:32.560
<v Speaker 2>them function? Do you know the kind of like mechanical

0:28:33.119 --> 0:28:35.399
<v Speaker 2>like experts that you have to have in order to

0:28:35.480 --> 0:28:37.840
<v Speaker 2>like keep these things working and keep them usable? Why

0:28:37.880 --> 0:28:40.600
<v Speaker 2>would ice be more dangerous with these? It's just going

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:42.920
<v Speaker 2>to distract them from doing the things they're already use

0:28:42.960 --> 0:28:45.760
<v Speaker 2>it doing to hurt people, Like guided missiles do not

0:28:46.040 --> 0:28:48.320
<v Speaker 2>do any It would be just like extra trash for

0:28:48.360 --> 0:28:49.400
<v Speaker 2>them to carry around.

0:28:49.680 --> 0:28:51.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and they'd be as bad at using them as

0:28:51.960 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 3>there and everything else.

0:28:53.360 --> 0:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>And to be quite frank, the government is already using

0:28:55.920 --> 0:29:01.080
<v Speaker 2>guided missiles to do war crimes via the military up. Yeah, yeah,

0:29:01.080 --> 0:29:02.840
<v Speaker 2>people who know how to use them.

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<v Speaker 1>The other thing that really just wow, every single time

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<v Speaker 1>that there's a mass shooting event, which is often in

0:29:11.040 --> 0:29:13.400
<v Speaker 1>this country, the fact that they had to transvestigate the

0:29:13.400 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>person every single time, Oh yeah, holy is unnecessary annoying.

0:29:18.320 --> 0:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>It makes me very angry, Yeah, very angry.

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<v Speaker 8>Fuck men.

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<v Speaker 3>Just I don't know recently there was a wide piece

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:32.680
<v Speaker 3>about like in range TV Calcasido, who's had on before

0:29:32.720 --> 0:29:35.480
<v Speaker 3>and the matches, the matches he hosts.

0:29:35.120 --> 0:29:37.640
<v Speaker 2>And like the brutality matches. Yeah, probably thirty.

0:29:37.400 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 3>Percent of the piece was reflecting on the killing of

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:42.800
<v Speaker 3>Charlie Kirk and like nobody who goes to Carl's matches

0:29:42.800 --> 0:29:44.720
<v Speaker 3>has been accused of shooting Charlie Kirk.

0:29:44.840 --> 0:29:47.200
<v Speaker 2>No again, And the guy who shot Charlie Kirk didn't

0:29:47.200 --> 0:29:50.880
<v Speaker 2>shoot him because he trained doing matches. He shot deer. Yeah,

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.320
<v Speaker 2>and then he shot a guy in a similar way

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<v Speaker 2>to how he'd shot deer.

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<v Speaker 3>Nor is he a trans person?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, what's a better practice if you're going to

0:29:59.160 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 2>shoot someone one hundred something yards distance than a tactical

0:30:03.360 --> 0:30:05.080
<v Speaker 2>shooting match shooting deer?

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<v Speaker 3>Like yeah, Like the whole thing is just like I know, Yeah,

0:30:09.280 --> 0:30:12.880
<v Speaker 3>the discourse around mass shootings has become less helpful and

0:30:12.920 --> 0:30:13.520
<v Speaker 3>more toxic.

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.640
<v Speaker 2>No part of it's because I think there's a decent

0:30:16.720 --> 0:30:18.800
<v Speaker 2>chunk of like progressives and left for whom like it's

0:30:18.840 --> 0:30:21.920
<v Speaker 2>immoral to actually know anything about how guns work, or

0:30:21.960 --> 0:30:25.240
<v Speaker 2>how shooting works, or gun culture works, so you can't

0:30:25.280 --> 0:30:29.560
<v Speaker 2>actually like understand what you're talking about, which is another problem.

0:30:29.600 --> 0:30:31.920
<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of problems. It's not high on the

0:30:31.960 --> 0:30:33.640
<v Speaker 2>list of problems. But it annoys me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, maybe it pitches me off irrationally more than it should.

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:40.400
<v Speaker 3>But like I just tried to find that frustrating, Like

0:30:40.440 --> 0:30:43.440
<v Speaker 3>we cannot have a reasonable discourse around guns in this country.

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:47.040
<v Speaker 2>No, No, that that ship sailed, Yeah, with some bullet

0:30:47.080 --> 0:30:47.800
<v Speaker 2>holes in the hole.

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<v Speaker 1>One one last serious one. M what's everyone's opinion on

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the best implementation of dual power in the modern era?

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<v Speaker 1>That's a mea question.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, how are you defining modern era?

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<v Speaker 4>I guess how you defining dual power?

0:31:03.840 --> 0:31:04.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:31:04.560 --> 0:31:08.280
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and how long do you have the people who've

0:31:08.360 --> 0:31:11.120
<v Speaker 3>objectively done the best job of it as Asapatistas.

0:31:12.520 --> 0:31:15.480
<v Speaker 9>And they've done the best job of it in large

0:31:15.520 --> 0:31:18.880
<v Speaker 9>part because they've been willing to change the structure of

0:31:18.920 --> 0:31:22.520
<v Speaker 9>their systems over time as things have worked and things

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:25.800
<v Speaker 9>have not worked, and as the systems that they've been

0:31:25.880 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 9>using have decentralized. I don't know the fact that they

0:31:28.800 --> 0:31:30.760
<v Speaker 9>were able to even even under a massive attack, they

0:31:30.760 --> 0:31:34.080
<v Speaker 9>were able to do a massive expansion a few years ago. Yeah,

0:31:34.120 --> 0:31:36.640
<v Speaker 9>they've held out against you know, the wrath of the

0:31:36.680 --> 0:31:38.720
<v Speaker 9>Mexican state which is one of the most violent in

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:39.240
<v Speaker 9>the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I mean I would in a similar veins talk

0:31:42.800 --> 0:31:46.480
<v Speaker 2>about like the PKK and then the YEPGJ and REROJABA,

0:31:46.600 --> 0:31:49.560
<v Speaker 2>right where you had these non state groups that had

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 2>connections and that had some experience doing what we might

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.000
<v Speaker 2>call mutual aid prior to the government's collapse, and then

0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:58.680
<v Speaker 2>kind of expanded that into these networks that began to

0:31:58.840 --> 0:32:03.360
<v Speaker 2>mimic and replace state function in an area that about

0:32:03.360 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 2>three million people lived in. I think that's a really

0:32:05.760 --> 0:32:08.760
<v Speaker 2>that's certainly a more important story in terms of how

0:32:08.800 --> 0:32:10.480
<v Speaker 2>that kind of thing might work on a larger scale

0:32:10.520 --> 0:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>than anything that's happened up to the present point in

0:32:12.200 --> 0:32:13.000
<v Speaker 2>the United States.

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<v Speaker 6>Right, Yeah, I guess in less of a militaristic way,

0:32:17.000 --> 0:32:20.480
<v Speaker 6>but more like a party capacity or like political proposal capacity.

0:32:21.280 --> 0:32:23.680
<v Speaker 6>Probably some of the stuff coming out of the New

0:32:23.720 --> 0:32:26.440
<v Speaker 6>York City Chapter of d say the past year, which

0:32:26.480 --> 0:32:30.320
<v Speaker 6>is not reflective of DSA is an entire national organization,

0:32:30.360 --> 0:32:34.480
<v Speaker 6>but specifically the New York chapter has been very very

0:32:34.480 --> 0:32:38.680
<v Speaker 6>prefigative in actually doing like more like party oriented dual power.

0:32:39.080 --> 0:32:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And obviously I think probably we should also talk

0:32:41.840 --> 0:32:44.920
<v Speaker 2>some about like the different immigration defense hotlines and immigration

0:32:45.000 --> 0:32:49.480
<v Speaker 2>defense reaction forces around the country that have shown really

0:32:49.560 --> 0:32:52.080
<v Speaker 2>ramping up and doing a lot of really good and

0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:55.720
<v Speaker 2>really difficult work under duress and under you know, fire,

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:56.400
<v Speaker 2>so to speak.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think people have built immedunity safety to keep

0:33:00.400 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 3>that community safe when the state has failed to keep

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.000
<v Speaker 3>their communities safe, right, and sometimes it's put their communities

0:33:05.000 --> 0:33:08.080
<v Speaker 3>in danger. Ye, And like especially, I think it is

0:33:08.280 --> 0:33:11.800
<v Speaker 3>kind of heartwarming to me to see people who who

0:33:11.840 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 3>were just like straight up statist liberals, right yeah, realizing

0:33:16.000 --> 0:33:18.400
<v Speaker 3>that actually the cops aren't going to come and arrest Ice.

0:33:18.440 --> 0:33:21.560
<v Speaker 3>That's not going to fucking happen, and then being like, Okay, well,

0:33:21.560 --> 0:33:24.640
<v Speaker 3>how do we organize the strategy that will maintain safety

0:33:24.640 --> 0:33:27.240
<v Speaker 3>in our community given that this load bearing part of

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<v Speaker 3>reality for me that cops are good has seemingly collapsed.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'd say, in general, James, the fact that there's

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<v Speaker 2>a whole lot of normy people who would have you

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<v Speaker 2>certainly would have described them as normies a year or

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<v Speaker 2>two ago, that are now like, yeah, we gotta get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of Ice. Maybe we've got to get rid of

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<v Speaker 2>all these cops. Yeah, Bill Crystal, Yeah, Bill Crystal. Beyond

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<v Speaker 2>the anti Ice train, right. Yeah, it's not bad. I

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<v Speaker 2>do get the first. I'm not saying like we should

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<v Speaker 2>invite Bill Crystal to the party or whatever. I'm saying that,

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<v Speaker 2>like the fair, Crystal blocked me on Blue Sky, so

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<v Speaker 2>I can't invite him.

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<v Speaker 6>Said, Bill Crystal's coming to the Anarchist Book Fair and

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<v Speaker 6>it's going to be serving Vegan Slov.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that even a joke? Garrisoner, Is that real? That

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<v Speaker 2>could be real? Okay, but but it's it's just in

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<v Speaker 2>general good that a lot of people who are like

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<v Speaker 2>where my parents were politically twenty years ago are looking

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<v Speaker 2>out at what's happening and being like, we got to

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<v Speaker 2>get rid of these fucking people. Yeah, that's that's good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's positive.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that that's kind of like a downstream

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<v Speaker 2>change from what I think will be the most long

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<v Speaker 2>term positive change from the twenty twenty uprisings, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a huge number of people who hadn't thought about the

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<v Speaker 2>cops realized what the cops are.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And to wrap it up, Robert, we got like

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<v Speaker 1>multiple requests for you to do various accents.

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<v Speaker 3>Are you fucking shitting me?

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<v Speaker 2>Various what accents?

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<v Speaker 1>Since so many requests for you to do various access.

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<v Speaker 6>Well okay, some Australian ones, some Boston ones, Boston a

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<v Speaker 6>few other but like the specific areas of Boston. I

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<v Speaker 6>think they were asking about like like different like int

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<v Speaker 6>Austin regional. Sure, sure, I'm sure you can just do

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<v Speaker 6>those like one one one.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh all right, yes, enough of that to see? Is

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<v Speaker 4>that for listening? Are our Q and A episode?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh they could happen a year?

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<v Speaker 2>Nailed it perfect?

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<v Speaker 3>You had no notes.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say we reported the news, but this was definitively

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<v Speaker 2>not the news.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah we didn't do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, goodbye.

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