WEBVTT - Ep 63: Roisin Murphy

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<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet presents Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a day of final things here at Loud

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<v Speaker 2>and Quiet. Today we put to bed a final issue

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty eighteen, the last one of the year, went

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<v Speaker 2>off to print quite easily. Quite a fun one to

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<v Speaker 2>make this issue. Actually, it's the one that features out

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<v Speaker 2>Albums of the Year list, which is always quite a

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<v Speaker 2>fun thing to put together because it just means you

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<v Speaker 2>can go back and listen to a lot of things

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<v Speaker 2>that you maybe missed. We tend to all of our

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<v Speaker 2>writers vote on our Albums of the Year, and a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the time I have missed a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>really good records, so it's quite an education for me

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<v Speaker 2>to put it all together. That comes out next Saturday, Saturday,

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<v Speaker 2>the eighth of December. If you're interested in tracking down

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<v Speaker 2>you will, that will be the first one you would

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<v Speaker 2>receive in the post. So yeah, that's all gone off

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<v Speaker 2>to print. It feels good to get to the end

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. There were times when it looked like

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<v Speaker 2>we weren't going to make it, but we've made it

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<v Speaker 2>and now we can have a little bit of a rest,

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<v Speaker 2>take some time off over Christmas and then we'll be back.

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<v Speaker 2>Our first issue of next year is the second of February.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no January issue. A little bit of closure there,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is also the last episode of the podcast

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<v Speaker 2>that we're going to do for the year. Will come

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<v Speaker 2>back probably mid feb early March. Maybe we need to

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<v Speaker 2>go off now and record a bunch more. But this

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<v Speaker 2>has been a really good series series six. We only

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to do ten episodes. We ended up doing thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>I think because we were just offered a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people that we wanted to get in there. So I

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<v Speaker 2>hope you've enjoyed it. We've had some really great people,

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<v Speaker 2>so thank you to everyone that has come on the

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<v Speaker 2>podcast so far. I can't believe we're at number sixty

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<v Speaker 2>three in total. And that's tonight's episode, and it's with

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<v Speaker 2>Roshene Murphy who came by our office a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>months ago. Now we recorded this a while ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's you know, it's an odd one. I'm not totally

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<v Speaker 2>convinced that Roshan was loving the experience of talking to me,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm totally honest, but that's fine. A lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people don't. And I listened back to it today. I've

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<v Speaker 2>literally just edited this this evening to put it out

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<v Speaker 2>in time, because we've had the magazine going on and everything,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was kind of dreading listening back to it.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it might be really awkward. I'll let you

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<v Speaker 2>be the judge of just how awkward it is or isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually think it's better than I remember it. And

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<v Speaker 2>she has a lot of really interesting things to say.

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<v Speaker 2>Roshan has had a stressful year. She tried something new

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<v Speaker 2>this year and attempted to release a twelve inch one

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<v Speaker 2>a month for four months, and it drove her a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit insane. She talks about that during our conversation.

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<v Speaker 2>She was making those records with Maurice Fulton, who is

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<v Speaker 2>an American DJ. I think he's I'm not sure where

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<v Speaker 2>he's I've got a feeling he's from Detroit, but I

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<v Speaker 2>might be wrong on that. He lives in Melbourne now.

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<v Speaker 2>And the two of them put together these four records,

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<v Speaker 2>eight tracks in total, and were releasing them throughout the summer.

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<v Speaker 2>But more than that, Rushing also does a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>extra things. She's not happy to just make the record.

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<v Speaker 2>She makes all of the videos herself, all of the visuals,

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<v Speaker 2>all of the stage show, everything is her. Perhaps if

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<v Speaker 2>you're old enough, you know Rushing from Malco, which was

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<v Speaker 2>her duo with Mark Briden, Things to Make Him Do,

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<v Speaker 2>was the big record. They released their third album in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand that had sing It Back on it, the

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<v Speaker 2>remix of sing It Back, which is still an absolute

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<v Speaker 2>standout tune if you put that on now, it is

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<v Speaker 2>a great song, as well as the Time Is Now,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is their best song. But since then,

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<v Speaker 2>Roschen has released four albums herself. She did four in

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<v Speaker 2>total with Moloko. And in this conversation we kind of

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<v Speaker 2>bounce around all over the place. We talk about her

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<v Speaker 2>getting into music. She never thought she was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be a singer. She thought she was going to be

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<v Speaker 2>an artist of some sort, and meeting Mark, falling in

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<v Speaker 2>love with him, forming Melco, accidentally getting a record deal.

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<v Speaker 2>And although in this conversation she kind of gives herself

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time and seems to think that she hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>really achieved much. I think she's achieved a load. She's

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<v Speaker 2>maybe not been given the jews that she deserves over

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<v Speaker 2>the years, I think, and it started to make maybe

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<v Speaker 2>wear her down, and she's starting to think that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>she's not really done that much. But if you go

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<v Speaker 2>back and listen to her solo records and those Maloco records,

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<v Speaker 2>there's just a hell of a lot of really inventive

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<v Speaker 2>stuff in there, some really inventive music. No one really

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<v Speaker 2>sounded like Melco back then, and I still don't think

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<v Speaker 2>they really do, so definitely worth visiting that again if

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<v Speaker 2>you are unfamiliar with the Molco stuff, and the new

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<v Speaker 2>stuff with Maurice is really good. But she did hate

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<v Speaker 2>putting it out. She hated doing it. You can now

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<v Speaker 2>hear that straight from Rachine. Thank you for listening to

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, and thank you for listening to previous ones

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<v Speaker 2>if you have already. If you haven't, please do check

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<v Speaker 2>them out. We're now going to be on a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a break. I feel it's deserved. Thanks to Greg,

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<v Speaker 2>he's done at least half of these over the whole

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<v Speaker 2>of midnight Chats, and yeah, thanks to me, Thanks to me, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I've done all right as well. So this is number

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<v Speaker 2>sixty three with Roschen Murphy and if you're interested in

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you very much. Thank you for listening to Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I had a gig in Belgium a few

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<v Speaker 3>weeks ago that was just I just wanted the stage

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<v Speaker 3>to open up and swallow me. You know. It's really

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<v Speaker 3>everything that could have gone wrong technically did go.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrong right, and to the.

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<v Speaker 3>Point, to the point where, you know, it's like a

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<v Speaker 3>forensic situation for two weeks after to try and figure

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<v Speaker 3>out why this sort of thing catastrophe has gone on.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, a series of catastrophic, catastrophic events have happened,

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<v Speaker 3>and you can't find out. You just you can't necessarily

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<v Speaker 3>get to the bottom of us, and you have to

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<v Speaker 3>go then and do a gig again, not knowing if

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<v Speaker 3>you've sorted out the glitches from the last time. So

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<v Speaker 3>it's really hectic.

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<v Speaker 2>You had you sorted them out.

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<v Speaker 3>More or less, it was, but it could go wrong

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<v Speaker 3>again because we didn't know. Even the next gig after that,

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<v Speaker 3>you don't know, because we don't know really some of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there any fun in that? That adrenaline that extra danger.

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<v Speaker 3>Not in that No, there's no fun in that at all,

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<v Speaker 3>But there's loads of fun in touring and doing live

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<v Speaker 3>shows and being a performer. For me is I was

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<v Speaker 3>born to it, really, even though I wasn't, even though

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't think I was going to be a performer,

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<v Speaker 3>The truth is I really, I really am. And as

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<v Speaker 3>I get on with things in life and come across

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<v Speaker 3>other performers, people in the same position as me, and

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<v Speaker 3>I say it's not as easy for them and not

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<v Speaker 3>as enjoyable for them as it is for me. And

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<v Speaker 3>as the years go by, I've become more and more

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<v Speaker 3>kind of grateful for it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you mean in terms of getting up there some

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<v Speaker 2>people struggle.

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<v Speaker 3>With really, Yeah, I mean in a way that kind

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<v Speaker 3>of surprises me because it just not that it's not

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<v Speaker 3>that I that I think I'm perfect at it, or

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<v Speaker 3>that there is such a thing as being perfect at it.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's just easy for me. It just is, you know, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Just get up, either in front of a camera or

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<v Speaker 3>on a stage or whatever, and it's when you do

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<v Speaker 3>it obviously something that I it's natural for me.

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<v Speaker 2>So when I saw you in the summer and things

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<v Speaker 2>were crazy, was it rehearsals and you had the singles

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<v Speaker 2>were you know that's still coming out now.

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<v Speaker 3>I've ended up doing everything because.

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<v Speaker 2>You're across everything. This is the thing, isn't it. You

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<v Speaker 2>don't just like you.

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<v Speaker 4>Because I'm good at everything. That ended up just.

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<v Speaker 2>Doing it all from the beginning, even like going way

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<v Speaker 2>back to when you're on big record label, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>on EMI and they kind of have like cash to

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<v Speaker 2>get someone to take care of all these things. Were

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<v Speaker 2>you across it all then? Were you Were you obsessed

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<v Speaker 2>in that way then?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, probably, and more so in a way with

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<v Speaker 3>em I because I was more in control of the music.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean there's part of me now that has

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<v Speaker 3>to compromise. You know. The EMI record is an unusual

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<v Speaker 3>record because it was made at my behest. It was

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<v Speaker 3>made to with lots and lots of different producers, writers, mixers,

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<v Speaker 3>and so the other records that I make are collaboration

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<v Speaker 3>with another guy. You know, Maurice Fulton, you can't tell

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<v Speaker 3>him what to do after a certain point. Matthew Herbert,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't tell him what to do after a certain point.

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<v Speaker 3>Although maybe a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>More than Murray Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, Mark Brydon even in my loco, I, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to kind of sit back and let him when I

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<v Speaker 3>wrote sing it back as on a house be because

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<v Speaker 3>that was the vision I had for it, and I

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<v Speaker 3>saw him kind of change it into something else, something beautiful,

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<v Speaker 3>but something else before it ended up on the album.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, they'll go, Okay, I can't push him any further.

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<v Speaker 3>You won't. You won't go any further for me than that.

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<v Speaker 3>But with the my record, I was the boss of that.

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<v Speaker 4>So in a way, yeah, the very stressful.

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<v Speaker 3>Part of that was the end of the making the

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<v Speaker 3>record process was like telling people I was working with,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't like that mix. I'm gonna have to take

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<v Speaker 3>it to somebody else to mix it.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you good at doing that?

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<v Speaker 3>Saying this isn't well when you pay them a fortune,

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<v Speaker 3>because you can do that, you know, But when when

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<v Speaker 3>it's like very much a labor of love, like it

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<v Speaker 3>is with Maurice or with Matthew Herbert. Well, Matthew I

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<v Speaker 3>think did get paid. But but nowadays especially, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>I have to be very careful who I choose to

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<v Speaker 3>work with in terms of music because I am not

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<v Speaker 3>going to be able to boss them around.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you a good do you think you're a good boss.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I do think I'm a good boss. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>think you'll find many people who will, you know, I

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<v Speaker 3>think the people on the inside who work with me

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<v Speaker 3>have a very different kind of way of looking at

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<v Speaker 3>me than the people on the outside of the actual

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<v Speaker 3>creative part of it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, how do you think people look at you

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<v Speaker 2>from the outside.

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<v Speaker 3>I think I'm a pain in the arse, or I'm

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<v Speaker 3>difficult or vlatile.

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<v Speaker 2>Why do you think they why why would they think that?

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<v Speaker 3>What is it that makes that they don't understand me

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<v Speaker 3>or they don't get my humor, or they're not that clever. Maybe,

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<v Speaker 3>but the people on inside were all seriously clever people.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they're brilliant. They're brilliant people. I work with

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<v Speaker 3>brilliant people, and I am what they have given me

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<v Speaker 3>to a large extent. So that's there is a difference

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<v Speaker 3>from the inside of the outside.

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<v Speaker 2>And how about having a boss? Were you ever? Were

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<v Speaker 2>you good when you had a boss?

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<v Speaker 3>Never had? Have you?

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<v Speaker 2>Never had one? Because you got into singing young, like

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<v Speaker 2>out of college.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't have it, don't have it?

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<v Speaker 3>There wasn't didn't go to college, don't have any archetype

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<v Speaker 3>in this in my family even that had bosses. So

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<v Speaker 3>we were all people who had their own businesses.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you never even like work in a ship path with?

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<v Speaker 4>I did here and there.

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<v Speaker 3>I had like a job in a restaurant in Sheffield

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<v Speaker 3>that you know the trail blazed and brought you know,

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<v Speaker 3>like chicken sees a salad to Sheffield, had like and

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<v Speaker 3>had like said incredibly like mad chef and stuff. But

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<v Speaker 3>I walked in on him one day and he had

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<v Speaker 3>a knife to somebody's throat and it was like yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>because yeah, he was he was so bigetting for you know,

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<v Speaker 3>because he was making chicken caesar salad.

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<v Speaker 4>It's ridiculous.

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<v Speaker 3>I never lasted very long in jobs. No, but three

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<v Speaker 3>three days? Five days? Seriously?

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<v Speaker 2>Was it just because you just got there and you

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<v Speaker 2>thought I can't be told what to do in this way?

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't very good at it. I wasn't good at

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of stress. I'm not a bit well, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>quite dyslexic and you know, and also just doing maths

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<v Speaker 3>really quickly and quite Yeah, I'm very stressful. That stress

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<v Speaker 3>of like running around and remembering stuff that's like banal,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. It just I'm not good at it. No,

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<v Speaker 3>and as I said, no, no way have I got

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<v Speaker 3>any body in the family. There's no one on either

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<v Speaker 3>side of the family that works for anyone. So we're

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<v Speaker 3>not posh people by any means. You're grafted, but we're

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<v Speaker 3>not working class in the sense of we don't work

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<v Speaker 3>in factories and things like that for other people.

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<v Speaker 4>We create our own world.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. So when we spoke for the magazine, we were

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<v Speaker 2>mainly talking about your time in Manchester when you were sixteen.

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<v Speaker 2>From Manchester went to Sheffield, which is where the singing starts, right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and there was a point where you were hanging out

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<v Speaker 2>at a recording studio I seem to remember, yes, and

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<v Speaker 2>you met Lisa Stansfield.

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<v Speaker 3>That was that was intant, stop stop.

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<v Speaker 2>But he was the guy that kind of said to

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<v Speaker 2>you you should be a singer.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh. I didn't take any notice of him. No, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>not one bit of notice of him. But yeah, he

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<v Speaker 3>did actually say you should be something. You know from

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<v Speaker 3>from the trip, I shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>Be doing this, no go for it.

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<v Speaker 4>For the listeners.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean in an egg and baking sandwich. He was

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<v Speaker 3>the guy you said. No, he wasn't just the only guy.

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<v Speaker 3>Loads of people said it to me. I actually want

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<v Speaker 3>to think back like.

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<v Speaker 2>Work in music. But they didn't know.

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<v Speaker 4>They wouldn't say that. They would say you were going

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<v Speaker 4>to be something.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all they would give you. Yeah, okay, because I.

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<v Speaker 3>Have no idea it was any even any good at music.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was going to be a visual artist.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was going to be something a photographer

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<v Speaker 3>and filmmaker. Yeah, So I went to the chip I

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<v Speaker 3>was at Strawberry Studios. My boyfriend at the time had

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<v Speaker 3>like a hip hop act and he was connected with

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<v Speaker 3>all sorts of people who made music. And on the

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<v Speaker 3>same day I met Martin Hannah, which was quite amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember you saying, Yeah, what was he like? Didn't

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<v Speaker 2>you say?

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<v Speaker 3>He was quite sweat sweaty, very sweaty, and all I

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<v Speaker 3>can really remember seem really nice. But so there was

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of sweat pouring out of him while he

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<v Speaker 3>was working over the console.

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<v Speaker 2>What was he do you know what he was working on?

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<v Speaker 4>I think he was working on a band called Rigg.

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<v Speaker 3>They were also friends with my boyfriends, but yes, So

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<v Speaker 3>then I went to the chip shop with this guy

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<v Speaker 3>who was Lisa Stansfield's A and R. And of course

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<v Speaker 3>she was massive at the time, Lisa very big figurehead

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<v Speaker 3>for me even anyway, but he said to me, by

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<v Speaker 3>the time I got back to the Proficient ship shop

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<v Speaker 3>from there with the stuff for the people, you should

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<v Speaker 3>be something or you're going to be something.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the other person who said that to me

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<v Speaker 4>was Rob Gordon who sorry Rob Mitchell, who ran Warp

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<v Speaker 4>Records in Sheffield.

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<v Speaker 3>He died a few years ago. For he was a

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<v Speaker 3>brilliant guy and they him and his wife were when

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<v Speaker 3>I went to Sheffield. First they were friends with my boyfriend,

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<v Speaker 3>which is why I moved to another boyfriend, which is

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<v Speaker 3>why I moved to Sheffield, because he was finishing his

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<v Speaker 3>architecture degree there.

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<v Speaker 4>So they took me in kind of in a way.

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<v Speaker 3>They used to feed me, and after I broke up

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<v Speaker 3>with Pete, they remained very good friends of mine. The

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<v Speaker 3>first time I ever my name was ever on a record,

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<v Speaker 3>it was on a Warp compilation and it was just

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<v Speaker 3>it was just he name checked all the people who

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<v Speaker 3>were at a party in his house, which was a

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<v Speaker 3>very small party, but he put us on the back

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<v Speaker 3>of the compilation. So that's the first time I was

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<v Speaker 3>over on a record sleeve. And he used to say

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<v Speaker 3>to me, it's going to be something. And at that point,

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<v Speaker 3>you yeah, I didn't know. I didn't.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

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<v Speaker 3>I went into I went into music with that attitude.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of went into music like I wasn't doing music,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. I had a different sort of when I

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<v Speaker 3>think back, I had a conceptual kind of attitude to it.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I was like, not as a singer at all.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't go into it. I mean even I was

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<v Speaker 3>signed to a record deal before I sang it was

0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:53.600
<v Speaker 3>it was things like do you like my tide sweater?

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<v Speaker 3>And pretending to be a valley girl, you know, in

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<v Speaker 3>party weirdo and things like that. It was more like

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<v Speaker 3>performance art or a conceptual view that I was sort

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<v Speaker 3>of I was giving. That's I think what Mark was

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<v Speaker 3>getting from me, and that was the reason why he

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<v Speaker 3>wanted to go ahead with working with me. And I

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<v Speaker 3>think the main reason probably was because we were really

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<v Speaker 3>in love and just to be together was great. But

0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:27.520
<v Speaker 3>he was a proper important producer at that time, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and he had built fon studios and you know, he

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<v Speaker 3>was the real thing. So and he was I was

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen and he was thirty three when we met, right,

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<v Speaker 3>So it was a bit of a It was a

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<v Speaker 3>bit of a thing, you know, what's right and doing

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<v Speaker 3>young nineteen for God's sake. But it wasn't an ordinary

0:18:50.640 --> 0:18:53.280
<v Speaker 3>nineteen year old, you know, it wasn't like that. It

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<v Speaker 3>wasn't a I wasn't a playboy, bonnie or anything. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>I was a handful at nineteen. What was a handful

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<v Speaker 3>at fifteen?

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<v Speaker 2>You'd met Mark at a party right house? Did you

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<v Speaker 2>start working together straight away?

0:19:08.359 --> 0:19:12.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? That night, really that night I went working to

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<v Speaker 3>get the know and they wouldn't call.

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<v Speaker 2>It work, but recording, working on tracks.

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<v Speaker 4>He recorded me.

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<v Speaker 3>We went to Farm Studios and he recorded me saying

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<v Speaker 3>do you like my tight sweater? She how it fits

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<v Speaker 3>my body? And it went over this beat that he

0:19:25.359 --> 0:19:30.159
<v Speaker 3>already had, and then he had another beat that he

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<v Speaker 3>didn't have me on, and then he had the week

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<v Speaker 3>after that, we went in and after a party as well,

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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the night, because obviously we were

0:19:39.000 --> 0:19:41.800
<v Speaker 3>using the studio when nobody was there, and.

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<v Speaker 4>When we were in the mood.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I'm not going to go into why we

0:19:46.160 --> 0:19:48.080
<v Speaker 3>were in the mood, but in the middle of the

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<v Speaker 3>night of a weekend, but when we were in the mood,

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<v Speaker 3>we went in and recorded me being this valley girl,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, because I'd started saying at the party we

0:19:57.000 --> 0:20:00.280
<v Speaker 3>were at that night, we got all these probably weirdo.

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<v Speaker 4>And so he was like, let's go in and get

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<v Speaker 4>that one down and all, you know.

0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:09.120
<v Speaker 3>And with those three tracks, his manager went off down

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<v Speaker 3>to London and got a record deal and didn't tell

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<v Speaker 3>me that he was doing that.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not really even singing at this point, You're just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of talking on these three tracks.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I'm.

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<v Speaker 4>Like, are you sure Mark that you want to do this?

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<v Speaker 3>Were you talking about it?

0:20:25.520 --> 0:20:28.840
<v Speaker 4>It was a sixth album deal, yeah, And so.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you remember that moment when you went down and

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<v Speaker 2>signed it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>I can.

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<v Speaker 2>I can because this must have been So this is

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<v Speaker 2>this like ninety three, ninety four four, which is a

0:20:39.480 --> 0:20:41.879
<v Speaker 2>time when the music industry is completely different to what

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<v Speaker 2>it is today. Was there a big signing party. Was

0:20:45.920 --> 0:20:48.000
<v Speaker 2>there was a big signing parody?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah, and it wasn't.

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<v Speaker 4>There wasn't a huge label Echo was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like an independent label, yeah, but part of

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<v Speaker 3>Chrystalis And they signed up publishing at the same time.

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<v Speaker 3>So we were signed to Christmas Publishing, which was great

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<v Speaker 3>actually and turned out to be a great thing for us,

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<v Speaker 3>because they were a really great publishing company. They're now BMG.

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<v Speaker 3>So now all that stuff's on.

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<v Speaker 2>Bmgure And what were you thinking in that moment? Like

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of almost happened by accident in a way,

0:21:20.160 --> 0:21:21.760
<v Speaker 2>and you're suddenly down in London.

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<v Speaker 3>As I said, you know, it wasn't like that I

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<v Speaker 3>was ever going to be allowed to think this is

0:21:26.320 --> 0:21:29.200
<v Speaker 3>it now, I'm going to be a pop star. First

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<v Speaker 3>of all, we lived in Sheffield. Sheffield was a bubble.

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<v Speaker 3>The way I came at it, I didn't come at

0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:36.720
<v Speaker 3>it like that. I didn't come at it as somebody'd

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<v Speaker 3>been in stage school and let's what you trying to,

0:21:39.520 --> 0:21:41.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, get my talent to cross as a singer

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<v Speaker 3>and a songwriter and all that. And as I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I did say to Mark, what the hell are you doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Why do you want to sign a six album deal

0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.119
<v Speaker 3>with me? And he said to me very smartly, and

0:21:53.160 --> 0:21:56.879
<v Speaker 3>it's true, he said, it says six album deal. But

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<v Speaker 3>if we get six albums, something is gone extremely light roaching.

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<v Speaker 3>So I really wouldn't worry about if things go wrong, they'll.

0:22:03.440 --> 0:22:06.920
<v Speaker 2>Go roun and that's that, and it'd become a one album.

0:22:07.160 --> 0:22:09.560
<v Speaker 3>One album or two or three or whatever, you know,

0:22:10.320 --> 0:22:13.640
<v Speaker 3>and so it's not like a life sentence or anything.

0:22:14.119 --> 0:22:15.720
<v Speaker 4>And so he was just up.

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<v Speaker 3>For it, I don't you know, and it was good.

0:22:17.800 --> 0:22:22.639
<v Speaker 3>I think he must have liked and was never you know,

0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.720
<v Speaker 3>he's never one of these guys that couldn't listen to women.

0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.800
<v Speaker 3>He love women and stuff. So usually guys around me

0:22:28.920 --> 0:22:32.000
<v Speaker 3>do they not people who have any problem with women.

0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:40.600
<v Speaker 3>So he was quite happy to just my naive passion.

0:22:42.040 --> 0:22:44.240
<v Speaker 4>It was something he was quite happy to sort of

0:22:44.240 --> 0:22:44.800
<v Speaker 4>soak up.

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<v Speaker 3>Obviously.

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<v Speaker 2>So what happens next? You stayed in Sheffield, didn't you. Yeah,

0:22:49.160 --> 0:22:51.960
<v Speaker 2>you didn't kind of move anywhere else. You stayed up

0:22:52.000 --> 0:22:56.159
<v Speaker 2>there until when was it for the first three records.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't move down to London until around two thousand, right,

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:02.200
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and.

0:23:02.040 --> 0:23:04.960
<v Speaker 2>One maybe even Yeah, it's the first three were out.

0:23:05.840 --> 0:23:09.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, no, the last album we made, both of us

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:11.639
<v Speaker 3>were living in London, but we were no longer a

0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:12.920
<v Speaker 3>boyfriend and girl, right.

0:23:12.960 --> 0:23:15.479
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, obviously that's not so. The first role came

0:23:15.520 --> 0:23:17.480
<v Speaker 2>out in ninety four, okay.

0:23:17.160 --> 0:23:19.399
<v Speaker 3>So it must have been ninety three that we signed

0:23:19.440 --> 0:23:20.800
<v Speaker 3>the deal, I think, Yeah.

0:23:20.640 --> 0:23:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, obviously around ninety four to ninety five is when

0:23:24.680 --> 0:23:26.720
<v Speaker 2>brit pop goes mad, and it's something that.

0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:29.600
<v Speaker 3>Was really an anathema to everyone in Sheffield, was it?

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:32.800
<v Speaker 3>People were like, what's going on? Yeah, we work not

0:23:33.119 --> 0:23:35.320
<v Speaker 3>like ourant god experimental music.

0:23:35.920 --> 0:23:38.640
<v Speaker 2>Even with like Pulp being in there, well.

0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:41.520
<v Speaker 3>Poulpe were in London so and had been for a

0:23:41.600 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 3>very long time. They didn't seem like actually like a

0:23:44.400 --> 0:23:48.080
<v Speaker 3>Sheffield band right at that point. And I didn't know

0:23:48.200 --> 0:23:51.280
<v Speaker 3>anybody who made indie music in Sheffield. I only knew,

0:23:52.320 --> 0:23:56.359
<v Speaker 3>you know, Richard Cook and Parrot and all these people

0:23:56.400 --> 0:24:00.840
<v Speaker 3>who made incredible electronic music. And also the lineage seemed

0:24:00.840 --> 0:24:04.080
<v Speaker 3>to be of that as well with Human League, and

0:24:07.520 --> 0:24:11.800
<v Speaker 3>so it seemed a bit like what's going on here?

0:24:11.880 --> 0:24:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Like excuse me? Did seem retrograde?

0:24:16.880 --> 0:24:19.159
<v Speaker 2>As Malca got bigger at that time.

0:24:19.240 --> 0:24:21.719
<v Speaker 3>It never felt like my loco got big. It just

0:24:21.880 --> 0:24:24.400
<v Speaker 3>it really it never felt that way.

0:24:25.160 --> 0:24:28.119
<v Speaker 2>Even when it back, I felt.

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<v Speaker 3>Like sing it back got big. It never felt like

0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:33.159
<v Speaker 3>that happened to us.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think that's down to? Like, just like

0:24:35.600 --> 0:24:39.080
<v Speaker 2>the club culture that Malca are a kind of more

0:24:39.160 --> 0:24:40.720
<v Speaker 2>part of, where the tracks.

0:24:41.520 --> 0:24:44.200
<v Speaker 3>Zillion reasons there must be just you know, you could

0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:48.159
<v Speaker 3>probably write a thesis on why, or you could just

0:24:48.200 --> 0:24:49.919
<v Speaker 3>say we weren't good enough. I don't know.

0:24:50.680 --> 0:24:53.240
<v Speaker 2>I think I think Malcha did get big. I think

0:24:53.280 --> 0:24:54.560
<v Speaker 2>to you it maybe didn't.

0:24:54.280 --> 0:24:55.720
<v Speaker 4>Feel like it never felt that way.

0:24:55.760 --> 0:24:57.600
<v Speaker 3>I never felt like I'd put my feet up, and

0:24:57.640 --> 0:25:01.360
<v Speaker 3>now you know success has come. I've never felt that,

0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.160
<v Speaker 3>and I still, obviously I don't feel it now. I'm

0:25:05.280 --> 0:25:12.600
<v Speaker 3>constantly running to prove it and to be just better

0:25:12.640 --> 0:25:16.520
<v Speaker 3>than the last thing, and you know, and and to surprise,

0:25:16.640 --> 0:25:19.800
<v Speaker 3>and in a sense that's what gives me the hope

0:25:20.119 --> 0:25:23.840
<v Speaker 3>and to keep going like that. I know that my

0:25:23.920 --> 0:25:26.520
<v Speaker 3>next record is completely different to my last record and

0:25:26.960 --> 0:25:30.560
<v Speaker 3>all that, so I know there's still this chance that

0:25:30.640 --> 0:25:35.119
<v Speaker 3>anything can happen. It's not like But what's depressing about

0:25:35.160 --> 0:25:39.960
<v Speaker 3>the industry now is that they literally think they can work.

0:25:40.280 --> 0:25:43.159
<v Speaker 3>It used to be that the business was about hope

0:25:43.200 --> 0:25:46.920
<v Speaker 3>and about somebody would meet you and say, I believe

0:25:46.960 --> 0:25:50.600
<v Speaker 3>in you. You know, I think something's gonna happen. You're

0:25:50.600 --> 0:25:54.080
<v Speaker 3>gonna this is gonna kick off. Yeah, Whereas now it's

0:25:54.200 --> 0:25:57.159
<v Speaker 3>like they look at everything I've done in the past.

0:25:57.200 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 3>They collate the numbers, they crunch the data, they decide

0:26:01.119 --> 0:26:03.119
<v Speaker 3>how much they're going to spend versus how much they

0:26:03.160 --> 0:26:05.760
<v Speaker 3>are absolutely sure that they're going to make.

0:26:06.760 --> 0:26:08.720
<v Speaker 4>And there is no mystery anymore.

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:10.560
<v Speaker 2>There's no like it's like a science.

0:26:11.160 --> 0:26:13.640
<v Speaker 3>They think so, But of course, how can that be

0:26:13.680 --> 0:26:16.639
<v Speaker 3>with art? I mean, I just don't know how person

0:26:16.720 --> 0:26:18.560
<v Speaker 3>I would give up if I thought like that, I

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:19.720
<v Speaker 3>would not have the energy.

0:26:20.040 --> 0:26:23.879
<v Speaker 2>Would you have liked to have been huge?

0:26:24.040 --> 0:26:26.399
<v Speaker 3>That's very that's an impossible question.

0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.160
<v Speaker 2>Were you aiming for? It was? When when you're making

0:26:29.160 --> 0:26:31.680
<v Speaker 2>my local records? Is that was that the aim?

0:26:32.280 --> 0:26:35.240
<v Speaker 3>No, I don't think so. Actually, it wasn't the aim.

0:26:35.400 --> 0:26:42.480
<v Speaker 3>The aim was to be brilliant, I guess, to to

0:26:42.480 --> 0:26:44.560
<v Speaker 3>to make records that you know.

0:26:44.920 --> 0:26:46.920
<v Speaker 4>It certainly wasn't the aim to avoid it.

0:26:47.680 --> 0:26:53.399
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but it was perhaps the aim too more than

0:26:53.400 --> 0:26:56.600
<v Speaker 3>aim to kind of just make great records. And we.

0:26:58.400 --> 0:26:59.800
<v Speaker 4>You know, I never got I was never on the

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:00.560
<v Speaker 4>slee leave.

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.919
<v Speaker 3>Until the very last record. The picture of me was

0:27:02.960 --> 0:27:05.320
<v Speaker 3>never on the front front of the sleeve and all that.

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 3>And at the beginning, we were meant to be three dolls.

0:27:08.640 --> 0:27:11.120
<v Speaker 3>We were going to be these three dolls that were

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:17.600
<v Speaker 3>dressed in raincoats, raincoat sisters, and we did a photo

0:27:17.680 --> 0:27:20.080
<v Speaker 3>shoot with the with the dolls and they're on the

0:27:20.119 --> 0:27:23.280
<v Speaker 3>first single, and the photo shoot didn't give us a date.

0:27:23.359 --> 0:27:24.360
<v Speaker 4>It was not enough.

0:27:25.880 --> 0:27:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Emotion in the first photo shoot, so we had we

0:27:29.560 --> 0:27:32.439
<v Speaker 3>had them shot again right, which did come with a

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 3>bit more emotion. But it ran around that idea because

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:38.720
<v Speaker 3>there wasn't much else we could do with those dolls.

0:27:38.760 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 3>But it was never on the agenda that I would

0:27:41.520 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 3>be pushed to the forefront of Malco as a as

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:47.680
<v Speaker 3>a pop star, and definitely not what I got into

0:27:47.720 --> 0:27:49.760
<v Speaker 3>it for. I didn't know how I got into it,

0:27:49.840 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 3>as I said, I got into it with line you

0:27:51.960 --> 0:27:55.080
<v Speaker 3>don't be doing I said, Jacks, come on, let's do this.

0:27:55.640 --> 0:27:58.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, I was little like tear.

0:27:58.000 --> 0:28:00.320
<v Speaker 2>Away, you were a sonic you fat?

0:28:01.119 --> 0:28:02.520
<v Speaker 4>I was, Yes, I was.

0:28:03.040 --> 0:28:05.240
<v Speaker 3>That's part of me too, But I would by that point,

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:08.439
<v Speaker 3>I was really into all kinds of music, and especially

0:28:08.480 --> 0:28:09.359
<v Speaker 3>into dance music.

0:28:09.800 --> 0:28:13.280
<v Speaker 2>What was it that got you from segue from like

0:28:13.560 --> 0:28:17.440
<v Speaker 2>sonic youth and kind of punk and no wave into

0:28:17.760 --> 0:28:19.040
<v Speaker 2>club music? Can you remember?

0:28:19.240 --> 0:28:21.359
<v Speaker 3>But it's all the same, you know, the more I

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:24.200
<v Speaker 3>grow up and look at it now and I kind

0:28:24.240 --> 0:28:32.920
<v Speaker 3>of look at you know, it's just all the same.

0:28:33.040 --> 0:28:34.840
<v Speaker 3>It's all the same. It's all got if it's gotten.

0:28:37.200 --> 0:28:40.560
<v Speaker 3>I mean the genres that you're talking about, the music

0:28:40.640 --> 0:28:44.880
<v Speaker 3>that I love, it has the same energy, whether it's

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:50.680
<v Speaker 3>like Rose Royce or Sonic Youth. You know, when you

0:28:50.760 --> 0:28:54.400
<v Speaker 3>look at her singing in Rose Royce, she's a punk.

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 3>You know, she's like she don't give her f like

0:28:57.360 --> 0:29:02.520
<v Speaker 3>she's just in it, like totally it is totally so awful,

0:29:02.760 --> 0:29:04.960
<v Speaker 3>you know, And that's what I like.

0:29:07.280 --> 0:29:11.680
<v Speaker 4>There's there's no good there's no types of music that

0:29:11.760 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 4>are bad or good. It's just bad or good music.

0:29:14.120 --> 0:29:16.040
<v Speaker 4>And that's a cliche, but it's true.

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 2>That's true. But I suppose to make art, you have

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to like kind of.

0:29:20.120 --> 0:29:22.680
<v Speaker 4>Choose your Why was I not making son it?

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Well you have to, Yeah, you kind of had to.

0:29:24.280 --> 0:29:26.520
<v Speaker 2>Sound'm going to be in a band. I'm going to

0:29:26.680 --> 0:29:28.800
<v Speaker 2>make disco music and I'm still a punk and I

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:31.400
<v Speaker 2>still make it with that spirit. But the music I'll

0:29:31.440 --> 0:29:34.160
<v Speaker 2>be making is like club music. Like you still have

0:29:34.360 --> 0:29:35.680
<v Speaker 2>to choose one or the other, don't you.

0:29:36.040 --> 0:29:38.800
<v Speaker 3>I don't. We didn't choose club music anyway, that's for sure.

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:44.440
<v Speaker 3>My local did not choose choose club music. I had

0:29:44.480 --> 0:29:46.680
<v Speaker 3>a bit of a struggle trying to get Mark to

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:52.360
<v Speaker 3>go back to club music. It had experienced the very

0:29:52.760 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 3>sort of furnace of it in this country.

0:29:56.480 --> 0:29:57.560
<v Speaker 4>It's a huge hit with.

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:04.680
<v Speaker 3>With them house arrests and like in nineteen eighty seven,

0:30:04.880 --> 0:30:08.000
<v Speaker 3>so one of the first house records that became a

0:30:08.080 --> 0:30:11.960
<v Speaker 3>hit that was homegrown and and the Doll been doing it,

0:30:12.040 --> 0:30:13.960
<v Speaker 3>and the Doll been in competition with each children in

0:30:14.000 --> 0:30:16.400
<v Speaker 3>Sheffield as well. Now definitely there's been a lot of

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:18.960
<v Speaker 3>that going on that was quite funny as well in

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:20.400
<v Speaker 3>a way the blokes quite bitchy.

0:30:20.560 --> 0:30:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Well, Malka did very much become its own thing. Did

0:30:23.880 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>you get lumped in with other people though? In the

0:30:26.200 --> 0:30:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Britain like it felt like with britpop, if you were

0:30:29.200 --> 0:30:31.520
<v Speaker 2>a guitar band, you were instantly a britpop band trip

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.840
<v Speaker 2>hoop and you became then a trip pop thing and

0:30:34.040 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 2>part of the kind.

0:30:34.760 --> 0:30:37.880
<v Speaker 3>Of local work, you know, not being funny, But we

0:30:38.040 --> 0:30:42.120
<v Speaker 3>existed before the term trip hop. So maybe we're partly

0:30:42.200 --> 0:30:45.160
<v Speaker 3>to blame for it. I don't know, but certainly we

0:30:45.240 --> 0:30:47.440
<v Speaker 3>weren't making trip hop when we made the record. It

0:30:47.520 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 3>was finished, the finished record before anyone had termed the phrase,

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 3>coined the term trip hop. So it was rather disappointing,

0:30:59.160 --> 0:31:02.520
<v Speaker 3>and it was a really crappy name, even for a

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:07.000
<v Speaker 3>type of music. It seems so flighty and flyaway to

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:09.720
<v Speaker 3>kind of put these notions together, jam them together in

0:31:09.800 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 3>this postmodern way. Hip hop and you know, LSD or tripping,

0:31:16.040 --> 0:31:20.400
<v Speaker 3>you know acid, they don't really go together first of all, anyway,

0:31:20.520 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 3>And it's just a kind of I don't know, it

0:31:22.320 --> 0:31:23.160
<v Speaker 3>just seemed.

0:31:24.440 --> 0:31:27.520
<v Speaker 4>It sounded terrible in a word. It was it was doomed,

0:31:27.800 --> 0:31:29.200
<v Speaker 4>you know, it was a doomed.

0:31:30.360 --> 0:31:31.640
<v Speaker 3>Bad phrase.

0:31:33.080 --> 0:31:36.840
<v Speaker 4>For music, a bad name for a style of music,

0:31:36.880 --> 0:31:37.640
<v Speaker 4>a terrible name.

0:31:38.200 --> 0:31:39.440
<v Speaker 3>So what is like?

0:31:39.720 --> 0:31:43.520
<v Speaker 2>Now? What do you consider success? I don't think about success,

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:45.240
<v Speaker 2>not at all.

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Try not to other one I will get probably depressed.

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:52.240
<v Speaker 3>I just keep going every day. And as I said

0:31:52.240 --> 0:31:57.480
<v Speaker 3>to you, the the the details, and people outside of

0:31:57.920 --> 0:32:02.120
<v Speaker 3>the creative part of it don't understand that that sometimes

0:32:02.160 --> 0:32:04.520
<v Speaker 3>I get bogged down in the details. The details. The

0:32:04.600 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 3>details have to be right. The color of the grade

0:32:06.840 --> 0:32:08.920
<v Speaker 3>has to be right, the edit has to be perfect,

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.560
<v Speaker 3>the music has to be great, the sleeve has to

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 3>be gorgeous. There's no you know, I checked the spelling

0:32:15.120 --> 0:32:19.880
<v Speaker 3>on things. You know, it's like it all adds up

0:32:20.200 --> 0:32:26.280
<v Speaker 3>to the experience, and I'm so busy thinking about those things.

0:32:26.400 --> 0:32:29.080
<v Speaker 3>And I also to think about success because what I

0:32:29.320 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 3>have is not I don't think it has proven itself

0:32:34.320 --> 0:32:36.040
<v Speaker 3>to be relatively successful.

0:32:36.760 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, you don't consider yourself.

0:32:39.600 --> 0:32:42.360
<v Speaker 4>Successful, not relatively, you know.

0:32:42.520 --> 0:32:45.560
<v Speaker 3>I I think if I went around saying I'm really successful,

0:32:45.560 --> 0:32:47.400
<v Speaker 3>there'll be plenty of people come along and go, what.

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:49.560
<v Speaker 4>Do you mean you're successful?

0:32:50.000 --> 0:32:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Your last record.

0:32:50.880 --> 0:32:52.760
<v Speaker 4>Didn't even chart or you know what I mean.

0:32:52.840 --> 0:32:55.760
<v Speaker 3>There would like there's plenty of things that you could

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:59.240
<v Speaker 3>say are not successful about in my career.

0:32:59.400 --> 0:33:01.400
<v Speaker 2>You know so well, but you must think that's a

0:33:01.480 --> 0:33:04.360
<v Speaker 2>certain amount of it successful. Otherwise you want to be

0:33:04.520 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 2>like I have my.

0:33:05.280 --> 0:33:07.560
<v Speaker 3>Moments, like if I'm standing on stage and as the

0:33:07.640 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>gig is going really really well, that feels like a success.

0:33:13.120 --> 0:33:16.240
<v Speaker 4>If I'm at a club but Maurice drops.

0:33:16.320 --> 0:33:19.840
<v Speaker 3>One of these records that we've made and it's in

0:33:20.000 --> 0:33:23.440
<v Speaker 3>that context works perfectly, that's a success.

0:33:23.680 --> 0:33:26.640
<v Speaker 4>If I put.

0:33:26.520 --> 0:33:29.600
<v Speaker 3>A video out and you know, people who know what

0:33:29.640 --> 0:33:32.800
<v Speaker 3>they're talking about it's brilliant, that's a success. If I

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 3>create a look that then becomes something that's you know,

0:33:38.160 --> 0:33:42.200
<v Speaker 3>a designer references or that's a success, you know, those

0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:46.280
<v Speaker 3>those are kind of successes. They're small successes. And as

0:33:46.320 --> 0:33:50.640
<v Speaker 3>I said to you, I'm looking for the compound effect. Really,

0:33:50.960 --> 0:33:53.840
<v Speaker 3>I'm waiting for the compound effect of all those little,

0:33:53.920 --> 0:34:02.240
<v Speaker 3>tiny successes too, maybe hopefully in retrospect, will create a

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:06.320
<v Speaker 3>bigger sense of success within me, a bigger sense of achievement.

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:08.920
<v Speaker 2>So that is success if all of those things could

0:34:08.960 --> 0:34:10.600
<v Speaker 2>come together at the same time.

0:34:10.880 --> 0:34:13.680
<v Speaker 3>Better A yeah, No, I mean, at some point it

0:34:13.920 --> 0:34:16.960
<v Speaker 3>just better be like compound interest, you know, at some point,

0:34:17.080 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 3>it just better be that regardless as to the certain

0:34:22.760 --> 0:34:31.920
<v Speaker 3>areas that I have been excluded from. You know, one day,

0:34:32.440 --> 0:34:36.040
<v Speaker 3>the compound of everything that I actually have achieved will

0:34:36.120 --> 0:34:40.720
<v Speaker 3>override all that. And that's what I believe that otherwise.

0:34:40.320 --> 0:34:40.920
<v Speaker 4>I couldn't go on.

0:34:41.520 --> 0:34:43.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what would you do if you weren't doing this?

0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:47.160
<v Speaker 3>I'm doing everything, so I wouldn't be doing anything. Do

0:34:47.200 --> 0:34:48.160
<v Speaker 3>you understand what I mean?

0:34:48.760 --> 0:34:51.239
<v Speaker 4>Everything that I can do, I'm doing every day.

0:34:51.360 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 3>I'm making film and making visual and making pictures and

0:34:54.800 --> 0:34:57.839
<v Speaker 3>performing and making music and talking to you. I'm doing

0:34:57.920 --> 0:35:01.959
<v Speaker 3>podcasts now myself. So I'm doing everything. So I would

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:05.160
<v Speaker 3>either do this or do nothing at all, Like I

0:35:05.200 --> 0:35:07.440
<v Speaker 3>would either get into I would pull the covers over

0:35:07.600 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 3>me and go to sleep for the rest of my life.

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:13.040
<v Speaker 2>Sure, in terms of like what the music industry is now,

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:16.320
<v Speaker 2>there's all of these different things to do. Do you

0:35:17.400 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 2>like the way it is now compared to the way

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:22.080
<v Speaker 2>it was? It sounds like even back then you were

0:35:22.120 --> 0:35:26.319
<v Speaker 2>really hands on across anything anyway, But now that there's

0:35:26.400 --> 0:35:29.280
<v Speaker 2>all of these extra things, it'd.

0:35:29.120 --> 0:35:30.840
<v Speaker 4>Be nice it us a bit more, you know.

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:34.160
<v Speaker 3>I mean, in a way, the more I do, the

0:35:34.360 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 3>less grateful the people who other people who have to

0:35:39.560 --> 0:35:42.920
<v Speaker 3>gain from the work that I put in are that

0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:49.200
<v Speaker 3>I find really difficult to absorb. You know, I've delivered

0:35:49.280 --> 0:35:53.000
<v Speaker 3>videos in the last few months and my record label

0:35:53.040 --> 0:35:53.440
<v Speaker 3>don't get in.

0:35:53.440 --> 0:35:56.160
<v Speaker 4>Touch with me. They don't even say is it because

0:35:56.200 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 4>thanks for that?

0:35:57.120 --> 0:35:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Is it just because people are expected to do everything

0:35:59.320 --> 0:35:59.920
<v Speaker 2>themselves now?

0:36:00.480 --> 0:36:05.120
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, I mean there's this awful culture of asking

0:36:05.400 --> 0:36:08.640
<v Speaker 3>I was reading a very interesting piece about this last night.

0:36:09.360 --> 0:36:12.759
<v Speaker 4>This is awful culture of asking creative people to do

0:36:12.880 --> 0:36:15.799
<v Speaker 4>stuff for free. Dreadful like.

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:19.400
<v Speaker 3>And that cliche of where you wouldn't go into a

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:23.680
<v Speaker 3>restaurant and say give me the food for free for exposure.

0:36:24.360 --> 0:36:28.960
<v Speaker 3>You know, it's like what it's dreadful, dreadful culture of

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:34.879
<v Speaker 3>that and the music industry as a whole, it had

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.640
<v Speaker 3>a very bad time a few years ago, for sure.

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:42.200
<v Speaker 4>But the numbers are that last year was the best

0:36:42.360 --> 0:36:45.399
<v Speaker 4>year of the music industry's entire existence ever.

0:36:45.680 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 3>There was more money made in the music business than

0:36:49.719 --> 0:36:54.040
<v Speaker 3>ever before, but not the artists. It wasn't the same

0:36:54.120 --> 0:36:54.840
<v Speaker 3>for the artists.

0:36:54.920 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 2>But are those numbers not skewed in the favor of

0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.080
<v Speaker 2>like the major labels and that Spotify.

0:37:00.000 --> 0:37:02.879
<v Speaker 3>Amount of money that is being generated in the music

0:37:02.960 --> 0:37:06.000
<v Speaker 3>business was the biggest amount ever last year. That's all

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<v Speaker 3>I'm saying. I'm not going into the details of where

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<v Speaker 3>the money went except to say that only twelve percent

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<v Speaker 3>of it went to the artists, right, yeah, that's that.

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<v Speaker 3>Those are the figures, So even the big artists. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>of course, many of the big artists now are creating

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<v Speaker 3>their own corporations and all this kind of I'm not

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<v Speaker 3>in the position to do that, or you know, i'd

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<v Speaker 3>like to actually, and I think I could do it.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, how have you enjoyed the singles putting

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<v Speaker 2>out the twelve inch singles that you've done over the summer.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got one more to come, haven't you.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 4>The pressure just has been immense. I don't think.

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<v Speaker 3>I've had worse years, because I've had sadder years in

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<v Speaker 3>my life, but I have never had this hard a year.

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<v Speaker 3>This is the hardest things I've ever been. So when

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<v Speaker 3>you asked me about SASS, I'm definitely not in a

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<v Speaker 3>place where I'm thinking I'm successful, right, I'm just thinking.

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<v Speaker 3>But I do think I'm bloody good. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 3>do think what I do is, you know, more and

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<v Speaker 3>more as the years go by. If anything, the quality

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<v Speaker 3>is going up and up what I do because I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just I have to.

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<v Speaker 4>I just absolutely have to make it brilliant.

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<v Speaker 2>But the singles have been tough.

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<v Speaker 3>It's been tough. Yeah, can't put out four singles. It

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<v Speaker 3>was meant to be one a month. In the end,

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<v Speaker 3>after two, I was totally exhausted, wiped out, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>not because I'm putting out singles, but because of everything

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<v Speaker 3>that goes around them.

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<v Speaker 4>And I have to make everything that goes around them.

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<v Speaker 3>And as I said to you, I have to check

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<v Speaker 3>even the very you know, the fine print of things

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<v Speaker 3>because other people aren't. I don't have like you see,

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<v Speaker 3>I was never one for even knowing what people's jobs

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<v Speaker 3>were in the record companies that I was in with

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<v Speaker 3>a production manager, and I don't I don't have one

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<v Speaker 3>of them, and don't have all sorts of there's all

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<v Speaker 3>sorts of people that are not lots of titles that

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<v Speaker 3>you think I know what they do, but I know

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<v Speaker 3>they're not there anymore, right, Yeah, And I know what

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<v Speaker 3>it means now. It means that I have to check

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely everything, and so it's it's bolic, you know. And

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<v Speaker 3>so after two I nearly had a breakdown. Seriously, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm close again now really because this last video I've

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<v Speaker 3>stretched I've stretched time and space and money. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I've warped.

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<v Speaker 4>Reality getting this video that's about to come tomorrow. But

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<v Speaker 4>you see, I really think I'm good at it. I

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<v Speaker 4>do think I'm good at.

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<v Speaker 3>It, and be a shame not to do to that.

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<v Speaker 4>Do me, you know, to do me.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it probably comes back to the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>when you got into music looking at it from a

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<v Speaker 2>different angle, from like a more conceptual angle anyway, and

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<v Speaker 2>as someone that thought they might be a conceptual artist.

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<v Speaker 4>So why I don't ever thought would be a conceptual artist?

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<v Speaker 4>Or maybe I did, Yes, I suppose I loath to

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<v Speaker 4>admit it though, now Jesus, what a bunch of arseholes

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:08.759
<v Speaker 4>they are.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, you, you came at it from that

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<v Speaker 2>world or that mindset, whereas, like you know, most people,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people, I suppose that the standard way

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<v Speaker 2>that musicians think is like, I just want to be

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<v Speaker 2>the musician. Someone else can deal with this.

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<v Speaker 3>That's just like people. I'm telling you, that is so easy.

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<v Speaker 3>It's too easy for me. I just get in the

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<v Speaker 3>studio and before I leave that day, there's a song there.

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<v Speaker 3>I just think to myself, I want to make a record.

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<v Speaker 3>A look around, and there's always someone there in my

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<v Speaker 3>life who's brilliant, brilliant to help me with it. It's easy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's sang I sing, I opened me gop, I opened

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<v Speaker 4>my gob say.

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<v Speaker 3>When I was eleven, I sang don't Cry from me

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<v Speaker 3>Argentina in front of my parents and my grandmother and

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<v Speaker 3>my uncle and mean and the cousins, and they all

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<v Speaker 3>went jeez, roachingk and sing, and then every time they

0:41:06.400 --> 0:41:09.839
<v Speaker 3>drank they ran after me to sing don't Cry from

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:12.480
<v Speaker 3>my Argentina, and I ran as fast as I want

0:41:12.560 --> 0:41:14.040
<v Speaker 3>to get away from them, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>Just like you open your gob and the voice is there.

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<v Speaker 3>It's easy.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not even like I didn't even have to learn

0:41:21.640 --> 0:41:22.759
<v Speaker 4>an instrument, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>That's totally another, like a language that I don't that

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<v Speaker 3>I don't speak, you know. But yeah, making music the

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<v Speaker 3>way I make music, collaborating with these brilliant people, it's

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<v Speaker 3>too easy. I couldn't possibly, I couldn't possibly feel good

0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:46.800
<v Speaker 3>about yourself just doing that.

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