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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome Back to Quest Love Supremes March and as this tradition,

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Speaker 2: we are celebrating Women's History Month with some special programming

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Speaker 2: drawing from the archives.

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Speaker 3: This is part.

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Speaker 2: One, you know, kind of my positioning.

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Speaker 3: While I have a platform, be.

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Speaker 2: It music, movies, be it podcasting, you know, it was

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Speaker 2: always important to make sure that we right the wrong

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Speaker 2: and give some agency to people who otherwise won't ever

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Speaker 2: have that platform. And this is the lesson that I

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Speaker 2: learned from Richard Nichols back when we were developing the

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Speaker 2: Black Lily Jam sessions and making show that there's a

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Speaker 2: shout out to lay you that there's a balanced voice,

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Speaker 2: and you know, especially in the early episodes, you can

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Speaker 2: definitely hear fighting for her space to get her words

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Speaker 2: at it. You know, as wise, which is necessary, you know,

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Speaker 2: and as history has shown us, women have been leading

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Speaker 2: the way and as a.

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Speaker 3: Result we should celebrate them.

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Speaker 2: You know, it's unfortunate that we're all relegated one month

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Speaker 2: a year. It should be this way all year round.

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Speaker 2: But definitely the history of a lot of our favorite artists,

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Speaker 2: especially with the women that have come through QLs, is

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Speaker 2: important to hear. It's important to know the history, and

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Speaker 2: we will continue to elevate and escalate the stories.

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Speaker 3: As we celebrate Women's History Month.

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Speaker 2: One of the musicians who's done so much to elevate

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Speaker 2: women in the last decade is Without a Doubt Rhapsody

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Speaker 2: twenty nineteen album Eve was inspired by women black women, specifically,

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Speaker 2: with each of the sixteen songs named after a figure

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Speaker 2: of history, and in our QOLS conversation, rhaps City spoke

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Speaker 2: about that album and even before, how the team at

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Speaker 2: rock Nation, including a strong female staff.

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Speaker 3: Motivated her to partner there.

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Speaker 2: You should definitely check out the Eat Records Timeless album

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Speaker 2: if you haven't.

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Speaker 3: Along with her new Grammy winning work or Please Don't Cry.

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Speaker 3: All right, So, what was.

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Speaker 2: The process in the decision to roll with Rock Nation

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Speaker 2: for yourself?

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Speaker 4: We knew that, you know, as an indie label, we

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Speaker 4: can only do so much like budget and marketing wise,

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Speaker 4: and really getting the exposure that I wanted. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: when we took the meeting with Rock One, I'm a

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Speaker 4: big j fan Offgate, but walking into the building and

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Speaker 4: at the time, Shaka Pilgrim was president and you walk

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Speaker 4: in and fifty percent of the staff of women and

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Speaker 4: it's so so many different cultures and we came in

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Speaker 4: with Lailor's wisdom probably eighty percent done. And they didn't

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Speaker 4: ask us to change a single whow not one single thing.

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Speaker 4: It was always all right, what do y'all want to do?

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Speaker 4: What even envision? Like what are you thinking of the music?

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Speaker 4: They never every eve they didn't ask to change or

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Speaker 4: just how much they love the culture. It didn't seem

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Speaker 4: like I've been to death jam I think in Atlantic before,

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Speaker 4: but this was this was different. This was all about

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Speaker 4: culture and just music and they were really about growing

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Speaker 4: with me. Like they wasn't pressure to have a radio

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Speaker 4: single or it was just like, you know, we believe

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Speaker 5: We just want to how can we help? That's what

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Speaker 5: it was. So that's why.

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Speaker 2: And how did you feel the morning that the nominations

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Speaker 5: Yoh, And I don't know.

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Speaker 3: What feeling for you. It's kind of first phone.

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Speaker 4: Call, yo, think was the first one that hit me

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Speaker 4: because I was in LA This was like five in

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Speaker 5: He was like, yo, you're you nominated and you nominated?

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Speaker 4: Uh? It wasn't twice, Yeah, twice, So I was like, yo,

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Speaker 4: what like yo to be nominated, but to even be

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Speaker 4: nominated twice like that was crazy for me. It was

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Speaker 4: just like people were calling me. I couldn't even answer

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Speaker 4: the phone. I had to just sit back and reflect, like, Yo,

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Speaker 2: So I have to say that your your whole process

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Speaker 2: of crafting the Eve album, it's just some amazing ass ship,

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Speaker 2: for crafting this album as an homage to the spirit

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Speaker 2: their effect like where's the Genesis and the seed born?

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Speaker 4: Last summer summer twenty eighteen, I was doing an interview

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Speaker 4: for the Oxford and this guy named Lamar Wilson. He

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Speaker 4: was writing a piece on the lineage of Carolina musicians,

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Speaker 4: and so he was connecting me with Nina Simone and ROBERTA.

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Speaker 5: Flat So like I was just like, yo, I.

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Speaker 4: Didn't I never thought of me connecting with them in

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Speaker 4: just look, I put them up here, like there's no

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Speaker 4: like you're both soul for you know, you're both lyrical.

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Speaker 4: You know you both reflect the times and talk about

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Speaker 4: what's going on in the community, your storytellers. I was like, man,

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Speaker 4: I never thought about it in that way, like I

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Speaker 4: when I do interviews and people say, who are you

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Speaker 4: influenced by? Yeah, I say creen my teeth and MC

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Speaker 4: like Lauren Hill. But I talk about Sicily Tyson, I

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Speaker 5: Nikki Giavanni, you know, Maya Angelo.

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Speaker 4: And I'm just like, man, when I think about who

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Speaker 4: have your village, your mom, but there are so many

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Speaker 4: black women that I look up to. And two, it

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Speaker 4: gave me away creatively to show that there are so

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Speaker 4: many different sides of me too. You know, people like

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Speaker 4: to say or kind of put me in a box

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Speaker 4: sometimes based on the music that I make that you

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Speaker 4: know I had. We were in a studio one time

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Speaker 4: party for y'all is just like burning incense and y'all

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Speaker 4: listening to my dude and all this, And I'm just like, bro,

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Speaker 4: like what are you talking about? Like I grew up

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Speaker 4: on Luke, I listened to Go Go, growing up, like

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Speaker 4: I'm from snow Hill, North Carolina, Like That's the Sticks,

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Speaker 4: like Boon's Fall, Like we listened to everything. So there

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Speaker 4: is a way where I could take a different woman

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Speaker 4: to not only describe like my different personalities, but also

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Speaker 4: we all are we all come from a family tree.

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Speaker 4: I think after I did that interview, like I went

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Speaker 4: home and I'd always wanted to do a song about

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Speaker 4: being a tomboy, especially in this day and age and

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Speaker 5: And I did it.

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Speaker 4: And because of the way I started the song when

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Speaker 4: Aaliyah was alive and I was like, i'mnna just call

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Speaker 4: it Aaliyah And as soon as I did that, it

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Speaker 4: all just clicked came together. Yeah, the conversation, it's like, oh,

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Speaker 4: I got this song, Alia, I could do this with this,

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Speaker 4: with this Felicia Rashad taught me about motherly love.

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Speaker 5: Nikki Giovanni taught me the power words and blackness.

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Speaker 2: Like yeah, in the videos, which I also feel are

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Speaker 2: crucial components to the vision of that, Like what were

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Speaker 2: the concepts for the well, not the concepts, but you

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Speaker 2: know as far as like I personally want you to

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Speaker 2: make a video almost for every song.

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Speaker 5: I know too too.

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Speaker 4: I'm trying to make it happen right now. We just

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Speaker 4: did a Feenie too long ago. Yeah, we did a Phenie.

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Speaker 4: I still want to add to it. It ain't all the

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Speaker 6: Wait, so so far you got a Phoenie. What videos

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Speaker 6: do you have for which?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, oprahaj Phenie will be the third one. The next

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Speaker 4: one I probably want to do Cleo, whoop be Alia, Serena.

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Speaker 4: I want to do one for every song like I

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Speaker 4: see it, So no problem putting this list together.

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Speaker 5: So the list putting.

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Speaker 3: Because you mentioned that you left earth Kit. Was it

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Speaker 3: just for spacing on the.

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Speaker 4: Album or just say see the first draft we had

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Speaker 4: twenty three songs. You know, we we knew like it's

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Speaker 4: too long because people today can't digest music the way

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Speaker 4: the same way like they they tap out it. At first,

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Speaker 4: I was going to do a part one and a

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Speaker 4: part two, so sonically, you know, we have this one

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Speaker 4: be way more soul for and more boombap heavy. That

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Speaker 4: was gonna be like for Lisha Rashad DJ Spenderella, she

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Speaker 3: Who we are going to get a sequel?

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Speaker 5: I was like, I got different ideas, there's more music coming.

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Speaker 6: I love you what it's so journal route and you

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Speaker 4: I was Harry, which one do I name it? But yeah,

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Speaker 4: so but as there's I did like forty women.

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Speaker 2: As far as where you are right now, like what

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Speaker 2: do you feel that your goals are, Like do you

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Speaker 2: have do you have a five year plan as far

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Speaker 2: as like this point from now, like developing other acts

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Speaker 2: or like just make more music.

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Speaker 4: Or definitely make more music. I think it's the foundation

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Speaker 4: of everything. But I want to expand artistically because you

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Speaker 4: into not only writing songs that I want to write films.

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Speaker 4: I want to get behind the camera and produce documentaries.

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Speaker 4: I was in the in the rock office with TII

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Speaker 4: to day. He was like, you need rites or beat

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Speaker 4: definitely want to try it. Like I'm just like, let's

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Speaker 4: lot of more things artistically. I thought about starting a label.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how I feel about that yet, but

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Speaker 4: Mesa Hilton's son, Nico Brehm, he's an EMC, so I

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Speaker 4: want to help. I'm helping it because you can produce

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Speaker 4: his album. That'll be my first time like taking that role. Okay,

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Speaker 4: but yeah, just like really expand on that, but always

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Speaker 3: Giving back to what was given to you. Okay, I

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Speaker 3: see that. That was Rhapsody who worked with Ji or Eve.

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Speaker 3: Next up is Sophia Chained.

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Speaker 2: Sophia spent years managing the JIGSA and Sophia's a powerful

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Speaker 2: woman in the industry, known her for years with her

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Speaker 2: association with Wu Tang Klin and she speaks about that

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Speaker 2: union and recalls an illustrating story of method man standing

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Speaker 8: I think that I have a unique lens into the

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Speaker 8: I also managed, so I managed all three three letter

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Speaker 8: This might be the second or third time he's met me.

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Speaker 8: So it's a thing that you're talking about to mere right, Like,

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Speaker 2: Okay, the Scieta Garrett episode from twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 2: Layah asked a question about a T shirt that showed

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Speaker 6: Because aren't you involved this T shirt that you're wearing.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, black girls code?

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Speaker 6: Can you just talk about that?

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Speaker 5: Black girls can do it.

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Speaker 10: And I think the movie Hidden No Hidden Fences, I'm

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Speaker 5: So yes, a a.

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Speaker 2: Friend who has two daughters that are like their dream

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Speaker 8: And black girls code.

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's crazy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Sheila, what can you say? She's made so much

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Speaker 2: When your assert herself as a visionary who refuses to

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Speaker 2: do three hour shows for three hundred and sixty five

438
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Speaker 2: days out the year.

439
00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 3: Then it's right, So you.

440
00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 6: Just jam with your family and now, yeah.

441
00:22:28,800 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 9: Just jamming and stuff. Yeah, But to sit down and

442
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,760
Speaker 9: say I'm going to learn a rhythm and a part

443
00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:35,119
Speaker 9: so i can get better, I'm sorry.

444
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 8: No.

445
00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,120
Speaker 2: See, my parents made me practice to keep me from

446
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:39,600
Speaker 2: going out on the streets.

447
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:40,520
Speaker 9: And they did the right thing.

448
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,679
Speaker 2: Right, But I'm saying, like, but you grew up in

449
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,080
Speaker 2: the household with other musicians, so I'm certain that it

450
00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,400
Speaker 2: was more like a jamming thing.

451
00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:48,240
Speaker 9: It was. Well, yes, that.

452
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 3: Weird though, I mean, is it?

453
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:54,360
Speaker 2: I also I I I'm not not that I'm big

454
00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:59,280
Speaker 2: on jamming, but there's something very vulnerable about a jam

455
00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:01,959
Speaker 2: session that makes it very hard for me to do

456
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 2: in front of people.

457
00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: I know. Okay, so the first the first day of.

458
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: Taking the Tonight Show gig, and it's just the eight

459
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,359
Speaker 2: of us facing each other, sort of like the circle

460
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,720
Speaker 2: we're in now, it was the hardest thing in the

461
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,480
Speaker 2: world to do. Like, I stopped the session after five

462
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 2: minutes and call my manager like, I don't know what

463
00:23:26,520 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: to do, Like, what do.

464
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,160
Speaker 3: You just just start playing a song?

465
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,680
Speaker 2: Like cause I think it's it's a it's a vulnerable

466
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:37,639
Speaker 2: intimate thing almost. I hate to be creepy with the

467
00:23:37,720 --> 00:23:41,959
Speaker 2: metaphorical thing, but I mean it's like intimacy, and you know,

468
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,920
Speaker 2: the thing is that you have to be on I mean,

469
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 2: we're on good terms with each other as a band,

470
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 2: but it's it's sort of like I think that you

471
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:54,879
Speaker 2: also socially have to be in tune with the person

472
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 2: that you are playing with in order to get that

473
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: the desired result. And so it's I think that's it's hard.

474
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 2: So I'm it means that you were able to jam

475
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 2: or borderline envious that you're able to like play with

476
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:10,360
Speaker 2: your family.

477
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,200
Speaker 9: Like, yeah, we grew up like that. So I mean,

478
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,320
Speaker 9: anytime the opportunity, if they were sitting out, let's go play,

479
00:24:16,560 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 9: all right. We started getting into this whole thing and

480
00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 9: then taking solos and going into different rhythms and like

481
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 9: just jamming.

482
00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 3: In the house, in the backyard, outside, absolutely in.

483
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:30,239
Speaker 9: The house in the backyard, at the parks down at

484
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 9: Berkeley College and on telegraph all the time. We were

485
00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 9: down on the streets just jamming in the mission in

486
00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:40,680
Speaker 9: San Francisco. Yeah, yeah, for real?

487
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 6: Your brothers and sister like oldest, youngest, how does.

488
00:24:47,320 --> 00:24:49,800
Speaker 9: Yeah, so I'm the oldest, my brother one, my brother

489
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 9: Peter Michael, my sister Zina.

490
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,159
Speaker 6: Because I was wondering why you got I was like,

491
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,960
Speaker 6: how does she get picked out of everybody to go

492
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:58,080
Speaker 6: jam with dad and do the direction? They played too,

493
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,560
Speaker 6: they played with it seemed like you guys had a.

494
00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 5: Special relationship you or your dad.

495
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was first, So there you go answer my question.

496
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 3: So how unusual in your childhood was it?

497
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:13,760
Speaker 2: For I know that drums are normally associated as a

498
00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:19,320
Speaker 2: more masculine us uh instrument to play, So how unusual

499
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,399
Speaker 2: was it? Like did you get any ribbing whatsoever? Tease

500
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 2: like you played the drums, or like why don't you

501
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:27,280
Speaker 2: play piano or why don't you play guitar?

502
00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 9: Like or people?

503
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,800
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just saying, was there anyone to discourage you, like, well, that's.

504
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,560
Speaker 2: Not a young lady shouldn't be playing? Like do you

505
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 2: have a grandmother that said like she.

506
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: Shouldn't be playing the drum?

507
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,680
Speaker 6: Can't wear a dress and play the drums?

508
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 9: Oh no, my family. No one in the family ever

509
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:43,440
Speaker 9: said anything.

510
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 3: So it was a supernatural to supernatural.

511
00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,560
Speaker 9: No one ever said my parents, my uncles, cousins, they

512
00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,160
Speaker 9: all play. No one ever said you can't play because

513
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,199
Speaker 9: you're a girl, because everyone would pick up something and

514
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 9: just play. My mom plays Guido, she plays a little

515
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 9: bit of Conga's, she tap dances, she sings. You know,

516
00:25:59,280 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 9: it's just a entertaining family. And every time we go

517
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 9: to a party, even with the family, we'd put on

518
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,200
Speaker 9: Jackson five, Temptable, whatever, James Brown, and we just start

519
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 9: imitating people. So we grew up like let's let's who's

520
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 9: going first, and the and the the way to get

521
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 9: to the party. Well, in the party, as soon as

522
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 9: my mom would starts singing da d everyone start running

523
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 9: to the living room. It's like the time for that's

524
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:26,800
Speaker 9: the intro.

525
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:28,360
Speaker 7: Time.

526
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, oh yeah. Then my mom would break right

527
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 9: into tap dance and then we'll see who's gonna play

528
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 9: what record and start dancing. So I was never told.

529
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 9: Never ever, until I left uh the house and started

530
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 9: performing with other artists did people say things. But even

531
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 9: in school, no one really said, oh, you know, you

532
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 9: can't play because you're a girl.

533
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:49,000
Speaker 3: I don't.

534
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 9: I mean it was always cool. It's like, you know,

535
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 9: everyone was in school was like stope.

536
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:56,880
Speaker 2: Well, I mean on the other side of the coin,

537
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,480
Speaker 2: like did they make a big deal of it because.

538
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 3: You were dope or you know, it was like yeah,

539
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 3: every time you play, like like it's a novelty thing

540
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:08,000
Speaker 3: that we're watching or whatever.

541
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,919
Speaker 2: Because yes, I think with the exception with the exception

542
00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 2: of what's her name, I think her name was Cookie,

543
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 2: there was there was a Jersey based group in the

544
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 2: seventies called Ecstasy, Passion and Pain Odness. Uh, the mom

545
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 2: deep sample, the realist.

546
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,679
Speaker 3: Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do Do. I'll

547
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 3: play it later, but yeah, there's they were. I mean

548
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 3: they had a.

549
00:27:39,440 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 2: They had a run from like seventy three to seventy six,

550
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,119
Speaker 2: but they did like three appearances on Soul Train. So

551
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 2: oh wow, that's the first time I saw like a

552
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:48,119
Speaker 2: woman playing.

553
00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:50,880
Speaker 9: Drums but she was actually playing drums. Yeah, oh yeah,

554
00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:51,720
Speaker 9: I gotta check it out.

555
00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:53,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, I was going to say, did you have

556
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 2: anyone that you looked up to that was Smith?

557
00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:59,680
Speaker 3: Yes, but they call it Cookie. Yeah.

558
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 2: Did you have anyone that you looked up to that

559
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 2: was a woman that was playing drums when you were

560
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 2: coming up at all.

561
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 9: The only woman that I saw play ever, especially drums,

562
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 9: was Karen Carpenter when her and her brother had their

563
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:17,399
Speaker 9: variety show. Yeah, and she was killing it, you know.

564
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 9: And as soon as I saw around television, I turned

565
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:22,480
Speaker 9: to Pops and said, how come I don't have a

566
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 9: TV show like nine or something? What do you mean?

567
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 9: I said, I played drums. I played just like her.

568
00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 9: How come can't we just get a TV show? He goes, sure,

569
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,520
Speaker 9: you can. I mean, it was never like no, you

570
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:36,440
Speaker 9: can't play because you're a girl that no one else.

571
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 9: That was never said.

572
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:40,320
Speaker 2: But in your formative years, did anyone think like, yo,

573
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 2: there's no one that we know of that can fill

574
00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: in the slot, and you'll be the first to like yeah,

575
00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 2: that time would have been revolutionary. So I'm saying, like, right,

576
00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 2: was there anyone thinking like dollar.

577
00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: Signs like, No, we didn't.

578
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 9: Actually, As a matter of fact, when I first started

579
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 9: playing and sitting in with other bands and they wanted

580
00:28:58,520 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 9: to pay me, I thought it disrespectful to pay me

581
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:10,160
Speaker 9: because I know it's kind of weird. Yeah, I thought

582
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 9: it was disrespectful because I loved it so much. It's like,

583
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 9: don't pay me for something I really love. I'm just

584
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 9: I just want to do it, like this is my passion.

585
00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 9: I don't And then Pop was like, come here.

586
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 3: He took me in the kitchen.

587
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,520
Speaker 9: Yeah, he took me in the kitchen, open the kitchen door, refrigerators,

588
00:29:28,520 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 9: like we need some food. You gotta it's okay to

589
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 9: get paid, It's okay. And I'm like, oh, okay, all right, cool?

590
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 6: Were you at that moment?

591
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 9: Fourteen?

592
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: So I was gonna ask at what age were you

593
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 2: when you were like a total Jedi master, as in,

594
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 2: like I could close my eyes and know.

595
00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:53,280
Speaker 9: I haven't got you, I haven't gotten there yet.

596
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 2: Good answer, Good answer. Now I gonna ask you again

597
00:29:58,600 --> 00:29:59,640
Speaker 2: this time just dropped up.

598
00:30:01,120 --> 00:30:04,160
Speaker 9: No, I'm so serious. I'm being honest.

599
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 2: I'll ask you at what age were you when other

600
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,600
Speaker 2: musicians took you? Totally serious as in I want her

601
00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 2: for at what age were you when you started?

602
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 9: You know, they still sometimes don't take me, say, sister,

603
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 9: can't get a call for a gig nowhere me, I'm.

604
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 3: Telling you.

605
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 6: Because you're beyond. They're like, I can't afford.

606
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,520
Speaker 3: I was like, oh I could have called you. See

607
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: that's what happened.

608
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 6: That's not nothing to do with That's that.

609
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,280
Speaker 3: That's because we're afraid of you.

610
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:41,440
Speaker 6: You're at a mountain top and now it's about of climbing.

611
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 9: It's like, yeah, no.

612
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,600
Speaker 2: I mean, I know you're not owning the superhero thing,

613
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 2: and I know that artists hate the fan worship thing, but.

614
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 3: Your existence is kind of a big deal.

615
00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 9: So no, thank you. I mean I underst stand it now,

616
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 9: But seriously, when when growing up, I mean, I didn't

617
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 9: get it, and I don't think we realized it even

618
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 9: Pops until later on it's like, okay, well wait a minute.

619
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: You know that wasn't ignoring you. That was more like

620
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 3: we're not worthy.

621
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 2: There was one time I think I was going to

622
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: call you for a things and it's only because I

623
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:25,600
Speaker 2: saw that you did was it loving you?

624
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 3: Right?

625
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: And I saw your credit and then I was like, oh,

626
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: oh she would, she would come down to earth and mess.

627
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 9: At what point in.

628
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,520
Speaker 6: Your life were you thinking like this because you said,

629
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 6: you know now you understand now why people weren't calling,

630
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 6: But like, at what point?

631
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 9: Because until I started speaking with people, it's like you know,

632
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 9: how you doing? Oh you know, like and then I

633
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 9: was like, wait a minute, you know, I'll come and

634
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,280
Speaker 9: do a session, you would, I mean.

635
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 6: And Stevie wanted to play the piano, and you said.

636
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,440
Speaker 9: No, Listen, this guy, this dude, this producer called me.

637
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 9: I could have lapped in through the phone. He called

638
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 9: me and he said, hey, Sheila, I just want to

639
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 9: know something, all right, okay, yeah, what you need I'm doing.

640
00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 9: I'm producing this record on this girl. I want to

641
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:15,800
Speaker 9: know how to get the Sheila, und do you know anybody?

642
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 3: But you're on the phone with her right now.

643
00:32:21,960 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 9: I did. I said, wait a minute, how can you

644
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 9: my sound? You want to you want me to refer

645
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 9: you to somebody else?

646
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:29,719
Speaker 7: Dude.

647
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 3: Okay, here's another thing, and we're skipping. We're skipping the

648
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 3: line here.

649
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 2: But I believe that the the number one weapon of

650
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: the Purple Cloud period, or just that period with Prince,

651
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 2: the number one weapon was mystery and anybody associated any

652
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 2: at least in my eyes, like you know, when I

653
00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 2: was ten, eleven, twelve, seeing you guys, it was like

654
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 2: it was some untouchable. We're too I don't mean arrogant,

655
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 2: like we're too good for that, but you know a

656
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: different yeah, even like that, we are the world perception like, oh,

657
00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 2: we never do that like in our minds, we're just

658
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: like you guys would only do your music and you're

659
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: laughing at us mere mortals like.

660
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: Brand kind of like that.

661
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 9: But we weren't gonna say no, no, no, no, no,

662
00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 9: we you know what the it's weird. It's like it's

663
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,280
Speaker 9: like being in this room, all of us here, we

664
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 9: just start playing and jamming and next you know, four

665
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 9: days later you might have cut another record. I mean,

666
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 9: it was just like we love being in a studio,

667
00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 9: and after being with everyone, you know all the time,

668
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 9: you kind of forget that there's a world happening, there's

669
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:53,680
Speaker 9: something's going something is going on. At one point, Prince

670
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 9: and I just we felt like we're in a bubble

671
00:33:56,280 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 9: and and until we woke up at the end of

672
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 9: Purple Rain, it's like, wait, what just happened? We didn't

673
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 9: even we didn't understand it at all.

674
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 3: Okay, so now I know that you're available for TESSI

675
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 3: warton what was it? The important thing?

676
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 9: Yes? I am so.

677
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: What was your very first gig as a professional percussions.

678
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 9: Pops playing his percussion player got sick. He had a

679
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,839
Speaker 9: band called that Techas signed to Clive Davis. They were

680
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 9: touring out with Temptations, Stevie, Wonder, earth Wind and Fire.

681
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,680
Speaker 9: Pops's percussion other percussion player got sick and I said,

682
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 9: I'm fifteen, Pops, I know all the music.

683
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 3: You know.

684
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 9: Let me play this show.

685
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 11: And I was like coach.

686
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 9: He was like, no, you can't do it. And I

687
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 9: was like, Pops, come on. He said, you're only fifteen.

688
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 9: You can't you know they're out on tour with all

689
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,960
Speaker 9: these bands. No, you can't do it. You're only fifteen

690
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 9: years old. And I said, moms, Pops won't let me

691
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 9: play in the band. Well, thank you. So I got

692
00:34:57,080 --> 00:34:59,360
Speaker 9: my way, and so I played that show in San

693
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 9: Francisco for I think it was then Mayor Moscone I think,

694
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,440
Speaker 9: and it was for three thousand people and the band

695
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 9: was killing. You know, fifteen years old, like I've been

696
00:35:10,200 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 9: playing with these a couple of other bands and they

697
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 9: were like knockoff some Santana music. So we knew all

698
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 9: that stuff. And my dad was in Santana right before

699
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,240
Speaker 9: having the band ass Teca, and that band ass Techa

700
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,879
Speaker 9: was formed with When Santana's band broke up, Carlos broke

701
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 9: up his band half the band with with my dad

702
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 9: Neil Sean Lenny White on drums. All those people were.

703
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 3: For a journey. Uh huh okay, yep.

704
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 9: So they were playing with my dad in Azteca, and

705
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:42,840
Speaker 9: so you got this caliber of musicians in these people

706
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 9: playing with an eighteen piece, you know, five six horns,

707
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,479
Speaker 9: three singers, three percussion players, to keyboard players to guitar player.

708
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 9: I mean it was insane and all this music, and

709
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,879
Speaker 9: it's like I wanted to play in that band. So

710
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 9: I got to play in the band. And it just

711
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 9: brings you. If you're set in a place, it's going

712
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 9: to force you to go somewhere you've never been before.

713
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,880
Speaker 9: You know. I wanted to make sure that I was

714
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 9: there representing, and I mean I went for it.

715
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 3: Well.

716
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 9: You know, my dad turned to me at one point

717
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 9: and he said, you know, I want you to take

718
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,680
Speaker 9: a solo. You know, like he's gesturing to me, you know,

719
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 9: play from your heart. I'm like, I'm so scared. I

720
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,120
Speaker 9: closed my eyes and I started playing a solo and

721
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 9: black felt like a blackdown. I just left the planet.

722
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 9: And next thing I know, I remember looking up in

723
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,280
Speaker 9: the sky. I was up in the sky, like floating,

724
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 9: looking at myself, playing in the looking at the entire

725
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 9: room with my dad looking at me. I'm looking at him,

726
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 9: and the crowd is just starting to roar it and

727
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:46,880
Speaker 9: I saw it like from above. It was so weird,

728
00:36:47,120 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 9: and I when I finally with my eyes did I realize,

729
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 9: like all of a sudden, you know, like in a

730
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 9: movie and you hear the music like coming back in

731
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 9: out of nowhere. That's how I felt. And then I

732
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 9: started shaking because I got scared, like, wait, did I

733
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,280
Speaker 9: just what happened?

734
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 6: You know?

735
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 9: And I felt like it was an odd of body

736
00:37:05,239 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 9: experience and my hands were shaking, and in the at

737
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 9: the end of my soul, I looked at Pops and

738
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 9: I was I just started crying while I'm still playing.

739
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 9: And then I heard the roar of the crowd and

740
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:19,480
Speaker 9: just like and it just got loud and it was

741
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 9: a standing ovation and I was like, I don't even

742
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,360
Speaker 9: know what's I was just looking. I was just crying

743
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 9: like crazy, and we ended the song. The show stopped,

744
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 9: went backstage, and I was like, Pop's daddy, Daddy, I'm

745
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:32,880
Speaker 9: going out on tour with you. This is what I

746
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 9: want to do.

747
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 3: That's what I want to do.

748
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 9: I know, and I know what I know.

749
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 6: This is it was that the first thing, the last

750
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,840
Speaker 6: time you had that feeling like that moment.

751
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:43,719
Speaker 9: No, that was the beginning of my purpose. That was

752
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 9: the beginning. And Pops looked at me and then we

753
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 9: hugged and we just started crying. He's like, I don't

754
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:51,759
Speaker 9: even know. How do you know all this? I was like,

755
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,879
Speaker 9: I don't know. I think I was watching you. I'm

756
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 9: like a sponge. I don't know. We had no idea,

757
00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 9: like all of a sudden, just on a jamma with

758
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 9: a local band for six months, and then I went

759
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 9: from that local band to professionalism. I don't know.

760
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: So, okay, this is definitely the I.

761
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: Gotta get a nass Techa record bro manc.

762
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 9: There's two of them. You have to hear it. It's amazing.

763
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 9: Seventy six five something like that. Seventy five four.

764
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 2: Okay, so you as a drummer and as a musician.

765
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 2: I was going to say that the one thing that

766
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,799
Speaker 2: I think that you won't ever able to be, that

767
00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:49,800
Speaker 2: you'll never be able to avoid is the solo. Now

768
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 2: that's the dividing line between you and I, because thank God,

769
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 2: I've made a life in a career on the most

770
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: minimalist kind of of approach to drumming.

771
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 9: That's a huge gift to have it. It's a dangerous

772
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:06,759
Speaker 9: gift and a big responsibility.

773
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:09,879
Speaker 3: I know it's a dangerous gift. But the thing is

774
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:10,400
Speaker 3: is that.

775
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:14,240
Speaker 2: In my age and as I get older, like okay,

776
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 2: so when I was in my twenties and my thirties

777
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 2: or whatever, especially uh, the way that my arms are now.

778
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 9: With uh when you do carble.

779
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 3: Tunnel on everything.

780
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's so painful now to take solo. So

781
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,640
Speaker 2: it's like I'm taking them less and less on your chos.

782
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,799
Speaker 2: How are you, especially when most of your solos have

783
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: to have this you know this this climatic uh uh

784
00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:49,239
Speaker 2: climatic applause from the audience, how are you able? Like

785
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: do you not do you have a fear of soloing

786
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 2: or no? Just but it's always expected of you, Yes,

787
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 2: I see, like the music stops.

788
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 6: Like go and yours has to be extra acrobatic, like it's.

789
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 2: Always, yeah, you have to be. You're not even zero

790
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,760
Speaker 2: to ten. You have to go from zero to utter bond.

791
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:09,240
Speaker 2: You got to zero auto bond in like five minutes.

792
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 2: And I'm just saying not even physicality or with with

793
00:40:13,520 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: with with age whatever, but maybe there's just some nights

794
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 2: you don't feel like turning it on and like. But

795
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 2: that's pressure because you have to go from zero to

796
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:25,359
Speaker 2: a gazillion.

797
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 3: It's expected of you at least two minutes.

798
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's interesting because I don't I don't think of

799
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 9: it as an I've got to be on on and

800
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 9: offer I don't feel like it. I've never put myself

801
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 9: in that position to feel like that. So I love

802
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 9: doing what I do and if people ask me, I

803
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 9: would love to do it. But I wouldn't walk into

804
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,080
Speaker 9: a room to say I'm not gonna walk in there

805
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 9: because I don't feel like it. Then I should have

806
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 9: showed up. I never want to put myself in that

807
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 9: position and say, Okay, I gotta turn it on. No,

808
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,200
Speaker 9: I'm excited. If someone asked me to play, I would

809
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 9: love to. So there's no on and off switch. You

810
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 9: asked me, It's always on.

811
00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 6: Can I just I'm not fast forwarding? But I just

812
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:07,440
Speaker 6: have a quick question on that note, because I just

813
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 6: watched you do the view and in my mind I said,

814
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,680
Speaker 6: she would not do this performance unless you have full

815
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 6: hundred percent like comfortable. They would say yes, and you

816
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 6: could do everything that you wanted to do. Is that

817
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 6: like an example of that moment, because it was kind

818
00:41:19,480 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 6: of amazing and groundbreaking some of the things that you

819
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 6: did within it.

820
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 9: Thank you. It was it was a it's interesting. It

821
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 9: was a fight. It was a fight to get so

822
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 9: we had. It was a fight, and I'm grateful ended

823
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 9: up turning out good. But I always tell everyone, you know,

824
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,359
Speaker 9: no doesn't mean you can't do it. No doesn't mean

825
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 9: you shouldn't a lot of time, no means opportunity. And

826
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,319
Speaker 9: I was like, this has just been insane the things

827
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 9: that we had to do and change. And I mean

828
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 9: it was, you know, from one thing to another, and

829
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,160
Speaker 9: I just kept saying, but no, this is the message.

830
00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:58,080
Speaker 9: We have to send a message. I have to stand for.

831
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,799
Speaker 9: This is what we're trying to send this message. And

832
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 9: we need the flag and it needs to be upside down,

833
00:42:03,600 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 9: you know. And I need to put the the images

834
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 9: in the backs so people can see what we're talking about.

835
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 9: I need doctor King's speech, I need Kennedy's speech, you know,

836
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 9: I need Obama's speech. You know. So it was a

837
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 9: definite fight. But you know, again, how things turned around.

838
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 9: We were only supposed to just play the music, and

839
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 9: then it turned into two questions, and then there's then

840
00:42:29,520 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 9: once they understood what we were trying to do, then

841
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 9: they were behind us one hundred percent, and we're glad

842
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:37,960
Speaker 9: that they understood what we wanted to do. And then

843
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,880
Speaker 9: it turned into let's move you to segment five and six,

844
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,200
Speaker 9: and it's like, oh, now I get to explain what happened.

845
00:42:44,600 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 9: But never give up, you know, never give up, and

846
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 9: know me as opportunity men. I wasn't coming through that

847
00:42:49,160 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 9: front door, but I came through that side door, you know,

848
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 9: and I wasn't going to give up. But I still

849
00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 9: got there and it was better than it was going

850
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,239
Speaker 9: to be initially.

851
00:42:57,239 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 3: Sorry for those of us who don't watch the view kind.

852
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 6: Of regular, don't have to move your neck like that

853
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 6: when you say the word.

854
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 12: Okay, I just I don't watch most of the time,

855
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 12: So what can you just tell us what the performance was?

856
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, and you can go on Sheila YouTube channel to

857
00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:21,160
Speaker 9: watch it too, or my Facebook Okay, yeah, Sheeli drummer, she.

858
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 3: Let's watch im.

859
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 8: No.

860
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 6: Uh.

861
00:43:26,560 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 9: The beginning of it is I did the funky national

862
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,520
Speaker 9: anthem I call it so the national anthem with some things,

863
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,240
Speaker 9: and I had speeches in in the song as well.

864
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:40,080
Speaker 6: She kneeled while she played with.

865
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:44,279
Speaker 12: The speeches samples of the actual speeches or was somebody else, No.

866
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 9: It was the actual Like I got the okay from

867
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 9: Doctor King's estate and family to use his images and

868
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 9: his speeches on my record. That was huge because they

869
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,319
Speaker 9: just don't do that for anybody, for anybody.

870
00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 3: It was super political. It's funky national anthem.

871
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,919
Speaker 1: I got it, man, you gotta have me a funky.

872
00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 6: When I reposted it, I was like, it was nice

873
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 6: that they allowed you to show your love and your

874
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:07,680
Speaker 6: frustration for this country.

875
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

876
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 2: Emma's last segment, we're gonna speak to some of the

877
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 2: first ladies of Depth Jam. First, if you will, the

878
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:25,280
Speaker 2: legendary Faith Newman, the woman who would later sign NAS

879
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: to Columbia and has been instrumental in getting.

880
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,840
Speaker 3: Day La Soul the rights back to the music. But

881
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 3: before all that, she was one.

882
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 2: Of the first five employees at Deaf Jam Records. Emma's

883
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,399
Speaker 2: brief clip she mentions Lisa Cortez, who will also tell

884
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 2: her story of getting down with the label and why

885
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: it was truly like family. Like Faith, Lisa went on

886
00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:48,320
Speaker 2: to do great things and music as well as film

887
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 2: Part two of her twenty twenty three QLs chronicles her

888
00:44:51,560 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: documentary Little Richard I Am everything.

889
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 13: Well, you know, I started working at Deaf Jam in

890
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:04,360
Speaker 13: eighty seven and right, so you know when I was

891
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,959
Speaker 13: still in college, and it was just an amazing, amazing time.

892
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:11,839
Speaker 13: Just some of the best years of my life were

893
00:45:11,840 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 13: spent there. I was one of the first five people

894
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 13: at the company, first woman.

895
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:18,920
Speaker 3: Right. I was going to say, if you.

896
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 2: Were a woman in that environment, I know that you

897
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 2: have to have the toughest skin of all time. Yeah,

898
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 2: because you're like what you're around. You were around twenty

899
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: twenty one in that environment.

900
00:45:37,120 --> 00:45:38,360
Speaker 13: Yeah, wow.

901
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,480
Speaker 3: Well, you know, there was no such thing as HR department.

902
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:43,880
Speaker 2: There was no HR department, there was no trigger warnings,

903
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:44,640
Speaker 2: there was none of that shit.

904
00:45:44,760 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 8: You know.

905
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 13: You know what's interesting though, was that before def JAM,

906
00:45:48,920 --> 00:45:54,759
Speaker 13: I interned at Columbia Records eighty six and yeah, and

907
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 13: you can imagine what that was like then. You still

908
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 13: I don't know if you saw the show No, the

909
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 13: one that got canceled on HBO about the record thank You,

910
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 13: Thank You, thank you, It was like that.

911
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:13,000
Speaker 12: Like canceled yeah, yeah, yeah, one and done done yeah

912
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:17,759
Speaker 12: damn next to or that was damn I was.

913
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 3: Actually I was into it too. Yeah, I liked it

914
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: as well. But wow, but.

915
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 13: Those guys you know in eighty six that were in

916
00:46:26,120 --> 00:46:28,160
Speaker 13: the record had been in the record business since, you know,

917
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 13: whenever the seventies were still there, and that's where I

918
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 13: got I experienced more harassment, you know what I mean.

919
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 13: And I feel like with hip hop though, it's like

920
00:46:38,360 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 13: I never could have gotten a job at Columbia unless

921
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:43,880
Speaker 13: I wanted to be somebody's assistant, you know.

922
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 2: But so you're you're saying that working at Columbia in

923
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 2: eighty six prepared you for the tough skin of the

924
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: battles that you would have to deal with.

925
00:46:54,680 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, it's funny, like I don't know if

926
00:46:56,560 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 13: it's my youth or whatever, how much I loved hip hop.

927
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,760
Speaker 13: It just I didn't think of myself as a woman first.

928
00:47:05,120 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 13: In hip hop. I just felt like, you know, that's

929
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 13: kind of how it was with everybody who worked at

930
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,359
Speaker 13: Deaf Jams, Like we were all young and we were

931
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 13: just totally immersed in the culture. And you know, Russell

932
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 13: was known for hiring women. Russell was known for other

933
00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 13: things a.

934
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:29,720
Speaker 3: Well chosen uh yeah.

935
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:30,200
Speaker 13: Hiring.

936
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 3: Verb there.

937
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, were there any other women at the time. That

938
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,359
Speaker 6: maybe because you know, you were the first at Deaf Jam,

939
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 6: but were there anything.

940
00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 13: There were women at Rush. So what you had was

941
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,440
Speaker 13: in the in Elizabeth Street, you had Rush Management was

942
00:47:45,480 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 13: on the first floor, and you had Lisa Cortez and

943
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 13: Heidi Smith. Yeah Cortez who.

944
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 6: Went on to work with Lee Daniels.

945
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 13: Yeah, he's just doing great things in film.

946
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:02,560
Speaker 3: Women's the moment that you were like, I want to

947
00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:03,800
Speaker 3: get in the industry.

948
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 13: Uh.

949
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,360
Speaker 7: Nine years old. I convinced my mother to let me

950
00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 7: go to the Children's Theater Workshop, which was a dance

951
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 7: school run by Miss Connie, and they put on many musicals.

952
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:22,600
Speaker 7: I'm trying to get on your next show, and so

953
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,600
Speaker 7: we did Gypsy. So you can imagine, you know, from

954
00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,239
Speaker 7: three year old kids to teenagers doing once I was

955
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 7: a Schleppa, now a Miss Mazeppa, you know, like, because

956
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:37,399
Speaker 7: Gypsy is a musical about a stripper and I had been.

957
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 3: Very it was you want to be in that musical?

958
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,319
Speaker 7: I do it all the time.

959
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 1: Wait, I didn't know that.

960
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:51,319
Speaker 7: Yeah, Stephen Sondheim And it's the story of Gypsy Rosalie

961
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,840
Speaker 7: and how her sister was going to be the star

962
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 7: and their mother pushed the sister forward, and then the

963
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 7: sister ran off with one of the dancers because it

964
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 7: takes place in the vaudeville time, and then Gypsy they

965
00:49:03,040 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 7: end up in a shitty show and the mother's like,

966
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 7: you're going to be an exotic dancer, and Gypsy goes

967
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:13,040
Speaker 7: on to become one of the famous vaudeville strippers.

968
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,440
Speaker 2: I was in this play in like fifth grade and

969
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:17,880
Speaker 2: didn't realize how many kids.

970
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 9: In these plays.

971
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,400
Speaker 6: I don't understand what we're all doing this play kids

972
00:49:20,640 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 6: performing art.

973
00:49:21,480 --> 00:49:23,839
Speaker 2: Well, at my school, it was like from first grade

974
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,200
Speaker 2: to twelfth grade, so it was the older kids, but

975
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 2: they found like roles for like the elementary kids to

976
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:29,120
Speaker 2: play in.

977
00:49:29,280 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 3: So I didn't really did show Boat.

978
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 7: We did name, We did Gypsy Name. Yeah.

979
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,319
Speaker 2: I was very Charles's assistant. Well, my sister played via

980
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: Charles and I had to.

981
00:49:40,080 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 7: They made a role for Meerry.

982
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 3: I did hair in high school. I was hood Were

983
00:49:45,000 --> 00:49:45,440
Speaker 3: you naked?

984
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:46,000
Speaker 8: Fu?

985
00:49:47,640 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 3: Then you didn't do hair?

986
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was a very a very tame

987
00:49:52,400 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 2: down Republican version, but I did it.

988
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 7: You were here, you were bald?

989
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 3: Yeah. I grew my hair out, but they wouldn't let

990
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 3: us do all the news, all that we wasn't doing.

991
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,520
Speaker 7: That shit plays. So I found my voice. I went

992
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 7: my mother said to get your grades up. I got

993
00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,879
Speaker 7: my a's and I auditioned and discovered that I could sing,

994
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 7: and then I loved movement and performance and connecting. Fast

995
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 7: forward the summer I was fourteen, when everybody rebels, I

996
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,799
Speaker 7: locked myself in my room and I just listened to

997
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,680
Speaker 7: Ella's Gershwin songbook, Cole Porter Songbook.

998
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 3: I just not heat waved, not.

999
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 7: Of course, Evelyn Champagne King, you know, I mean my

1000
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 7: father's playing Celia Cruz. I mean there was a lot,

1001
00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 7: a lot of music. And I also read the back

1002
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 7: of albums and I was like, who is this mixer?

1003
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:55,480
Speaker 7: I just I you know, I would bathe myself in music.

1004
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,279
Speaker 3: You found bath you said rebelling.

1005
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 2: So in my mind, I'm like, oh, okay, this is

1006
00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,880
Speaker 2: when like she discovers bad brains or sex pistols or

1007
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:09,080
Speaker 2: the promos. And I'm like, girls when your parents dream, but.

1008
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:10,959
Speaker 6: Your peers are like, what the fu?

1009
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 7: And then I discovery hip hop.

1010
00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 3: What was your first hip hop record?

1011
00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 7: I'd say it's it's rappers Delight?

1012
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:20,640
Speaker 3: How were you when rappers Alight? Came out, I'm not.

1013
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 3: I don't.

1014
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:27,680
Speaker 7: I don't talk about age younger than springtime, younger than Spring.

1015
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 3: I got it.

1016
00:51:29,320 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: Okay, So how do you nuance your way into was

1017
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 2: Maroon era def jam?

1018
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 3: Your deaf jam or black label def jam?

1019
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,200
Speaker 7: You're general, I'm Maroon, I'm nineteen eighty six.

1020
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,440
Speaker 3: Tell me everything about it?

1021
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 7: Okay, it's it's This is one of my favorite How

1022
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 7: do you get in the music business when you have

1023
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:51,960
Speaker 7: no connections? So I went to Yale and when I

1024
00:51:52,040 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 7: was there, I had this incredible group of friends. One

1025
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:59,080
Speaker 7: of them's sister named Lisa Jones uh Mary Baraka's Starter.

1026
00:51:59,160 --> 00:51:59,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1027
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:01,920
Speaker 7: We were just these young, feisty kids, and we were

1028
00:52:01,960 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 7: working on a magazine that Lisa was putting together. She

1029
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 7: was part of that great crew at the Village Voice

1030
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 7: at that time, and she wanted to do a magazine

1031
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 7: called Diva Dacooning. I was into hip hop, and I

1032
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 7: was like, I want to write about women in rap.

1033
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:20,680
Speaker 7: So I talked to her stepsister, Dominique de Prima, you know,

1034
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 7: in the Bay. I talked to the sister Tequila Mockingbird,

1035
00:52:26,600 --> 00:52:30,000
Speaker 7: who was kind of in the punk scene in Los Angeles,

1036
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:32,920
Speaker 7: and I really loved this article. And a friend of

1037
00:52:32,920 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 7: mine who worked at Spencer Beck worked in Interview magazine,

1038
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 7: and I told him about this article and I I'm

1039
00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:42,640
Speaker 7: really excited about because nobody knew there was women in

1040
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 7: rap and so he said, you should go talk to

1041
00:52:45,640 --> 00:52:50,600
Speaker 7: Bill Adler. He is the publicist at def JAM. So

1042
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 7: I just called and Bill said, come on in. So

1043
00:52:53,719 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 7: I'm just chatting with Bill. He's the most amazing, giving,

1044
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:02,520
Speaker 7: knowledgeable person. And a guy across the room said, who

1045
00:53:02,560 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 7: did you talk to in l A. And I said, oh,

1046
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 7: Tequila Mockingbird. That guy was Lee or Cohen, So what

1047
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 7: are you doing right right? So Tequila shows up in

1048
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:20,440
Speaker 7: New York and I bring tequila to the office. I'm

1049
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 7: a good baker. I made this ginger cake and I

1050
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:25,920
Speaker 7: brought my resume and we all hang out body BLA

1051
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:32,919
Speaker 7: and Jimmy Spicer was the receptionist. But Jimmy Speiser never

1052
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,839
Speaker 7: picked up the phone with the different calls because he'd

1053
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:38,680
Speaker 7: be chatting some woman up, so I didn't get the job.

1054
00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 3: Wait you stop.

1055
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: This is the second time that we've heard the story

1056
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:46,400
Speaker 2: of someone charming the deaf gm staff to nuance a

1057
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 2: job via pastreets. Because you also remember Kevin Lyles with

1058
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: his girl, you know, his chew money. Every morning at

1059
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: six a m. Would buy everyone orange juice, and lee

1060
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: Or was like impressed, Like this guy's clean up the

1061
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:00,719
Speaker 2: office and buying us donuts.

1062
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:01,799
Speaker 3: And that's how he got.

1063
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 2: Like Russell was like, get away from me, kid, but pastries, timeout,

1064
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:09,360
Speaker 2: Jimmy Spicer's dollar Billy.

1065
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:10,959
Speaker 3: What.

1066
00:54:11,600 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 7: So I'm this kid.

1067
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 3: Love it when he does voices.

1068
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 7: To say that, Oh yes, So I keep trying to,

1069
00:54:28,719 --> 00:54:31,840
Speaker 7: you know, roll up in there and you know, impress

1070
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,719
Speaker 7: them and and you know, it was pretty chaotic, but

1071
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 7: it was also very small. There was not that many

1072
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:41,360
Speaker 7: people there. And I've went to a Luther Vandro show.

1073
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:45,680
Speaker 7: I conned my way into the party backstage because you know,

1074
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,800
Speaker 7: you just got you got to get in or actually

1075
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:50,880
Speaker 7: you need to make a whole. You don't even fit in.

1076
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:55,040
Speaker 7: You make a space. And I run into Leor, who

1077
00:54:55,120 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 7: was friends with Shep Gordon, who was Luther's manager and

1078
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 7: ll Cool Jay. And I walk up to lee Or

1079
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 7: and I go, hey, you remember me. I gave you

1080
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 7: my resume on the good paper. It was like the

1081
00:55:08,320 --> 00:55:11,319
Speaker 7: heavy weighted paper of his cream color that mattered. And

1082
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,839
Speaker 7: he said, well, you know what, I actually need someone,

1083
00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 7: I need an assistant. Call me. So I keep calling, calling, calling,

1084
00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,439
Speaker 7: and then I got him on the phone one day

1085
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:22,840
Speaker 7: and I said he picked up because Jimmy Spicer was

1086
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 7: talking to some woman and did not pick up the phone.

1087
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,880
Speaker 7: And I said to Leor, you know, I don't really

1088
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:33,839
Speaker 7: know if you know, you'll like me or I'll like you,

1089
00:55:34,080 --> 00:55:35,880
Speaker 7: but I'll come and work for you for half a

1090
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 7: day for free. And then half a day turned into

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Speaker 7: five years a lifetime.

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00:55:41,280 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 3: Wow.

1093
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:47,560
Speaker 2: So from eighty six to ninety one. Wow, Okay, so

1094
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 2: Dill was about to start to come out.

1095
00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:50,760
Speaker 7: Yep. I was there when.

1096
00:55:50,760 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 3: Original concept is definitely yeah, yep.

1097
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,879
Speaker 7: And I was there when we made to ninety eight

1098
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,400
Speaker 7: Elizabeth Street, right when I came in and met with

1099
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 7: mister Bill, Bill Stephanie and uh, you know the sign

1100
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 7: the public enemy.

1101
00:56:08,600 --> 00:56:09,840
Speaker 3: What is leear like then?

1102
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:11,920
Speaker 6: Because the Leo were like, no, now, it's such a

1103
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,839
Speaker 6: big personality.

1104
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,480
Speaker 7: And he was he was he was big.

1105
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 11: Yeah, and look you know what he so he was

1106
00:56:20,200 --> 00:56:24,439
Speaker 11: always that person like the way that people im Flower, yeah,

1107
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 11: the way people imitate Lauren Michael is that like Lauren

1108
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:32,279
Speaker 11: and Leo are the two most imitated execs that I know,

1109
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:37,600
Speaker 11: but they always have a sort of disapproving father and untouchable.

1110
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 6: They're untouchable, Like it feels like in ways right they

1111
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:43,399
Speaker 6: sit like you can touch Lauren, but Leon and Laurna

1112
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 6: in that way kind of.

1113
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:47,680
Speaker 3: I know, softer in Leon now like Lear is like

1114
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 3: he's right right.

1115
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 7: So it's that Bali effect from Russell.

1116
00:56:54,120 --> 00:56:56,000
Speaker 2: Let me ask you at the time, because I know

1117
00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: that it's hard, like I'm such a history buff, but

1118
00:57:01,080 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: you know, I think people don't appreciate something until like

1119
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 2: time has passed, like five years later or ten years later,

1120
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 2: you're like, wow, I was really part of the team

1121
00:57:09,640 --> 00:57:11,840
Speaker 2: that brought one of the biggest hip hop records selling

1122
00:57:11,840 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: records to the world, like licensed to Ill or.

1123
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:15,359
Speaker 3: You know that sort of thing.

1124
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: But like for you, though, is are you recognizing that

1125
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 2: history is being made on the spot or was it

1126
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:27,720
Speaker 2: just like man whatever.

1127
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 7: They became my family because the crazy thing is the

1128
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 7: first week my dad died when I was fifteen, and

1129
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:36,360
Speaker 7: the first week that I went to work there, my

1130
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:40,920
Speaker 7: mom died. Wow, oh no, And you know this small

1131
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 7: group from Russell Lee or Heidi Smith, Bill Adler Simone

1132
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 7: who was our receptionist, Bill Stephanie. They you know, they

1133
00:57:52,720 --> 00:57:55,160
Speaker 7: took care of me. They loved me. I remember one

1134
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 7: day I got mugged and Eric b and Rock him.

1135
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,000
Speaker 7: They came to the office and they heard. I was like, Lisa,

1136
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 7: I got a black guys like God who got got

1137
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 7: bugged and lived in New York. I lived in the

1138
00:58:09,720 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 7: real deal. And they were like, well, if you'd like,

1139
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,720
Speaker 7: we could find somebody who could get for you, a

1140
00:58:15,840 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 7: nice little ladylike gun with a with a mother of

1141
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 7: pearl inlay.

1142
00:58:20,160 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 6: I was like, nice style, that's very.

1143
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 7: That's what love looks.

1144
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,760
Speaker 1: Like in a nice voice, too, pretty gun, a very

1145
00:58:30,800 --> 00:58:31,480
Speaker 1: nerdy voice.

1146
00:58:33,240 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: Nothing scares me more than nerdy thugs.

1147
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,480
Speaker 6: You know that's rare. I just want to tell you,

1148
00:58:37,640 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 6: as a woman, especially in hip hop, it's rare to

1149
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 6: hear this level of feeling protected and loved and all

1150
00:58:42,800 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 6: of that. So I'm just get it.

1151
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,600
Speaker 7: Because I also fought for them. You know, people will

1152
00:58:47,640 --> 00:58:51,080
Speaker 7: tell you we because this is right before everything blows up.

1153
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:54,560
Speaker 7: I worked very closely with le Or putting together that

1154
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 7: Adida Steele because I actually wrote a letter to Fela,

1155
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,200
Speaker 7: because Houdini has a song called do the FeelA, and

1156
00:59:01,240 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 7: I wrote him a letter and I was like, you

1157
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 7: guys need to do a deal with Udini because they're

1158
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 7: speaking to this market. Because I was an American studies major,

1159
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 7: I like popular culture. I like seeing you know, how

1160
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 7: we as black people start stuff that is then going

1161
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 7: to take over the world. But FeelA is like, oh, no,

1162
00:59:19,480 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 7: thank you. But so then when the Adidas time came,

1163
00:59:22,040 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 7: there was a lot that had to be translated about

1164
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 7: why this group was so important and how much did

1165
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:32,960
Speaker 7: they need though they needed some. There was a guy

1166
00:59:33,040 --> 00:59:36,600
Speaker 7: named Angelo Anastasio who saw it and he was the

1167
00:59:36,720 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 7: advocate for it, but you know, he was communicating with

1168
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 7: people in Germany. They did the music had not spread

1169
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,680
Speaker 7: there yet. And what I learned in those days it

1170
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 7: still helps me now, is about the power of community

1171
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:52,320
Speaker 7: to cross over this music. You know, we had Dave

1172
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 7: Funkinklin who later came to work there, who was in

1173
00:59:55,720 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 7: Colorado playing this music. I don't know, two o'clock in

1174
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 7: the morning. We had the car dealer drug dealer in

1175
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 7: Houston who would play our records and bring our artists there.

1176
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:11,080
Speaker 7: You know, we had Paul Oakenfeld and Pete Tong were

1177
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:16,200
Speaker 7: with London Records, which put out run DMC in the UK, Yes,

1178
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:18,720
Speaker 7: and they were hip hop heads and they would the

1179
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:24,520
Speaker 7: first stop Oki yes, wow Oki doki damn.

1180
01:00:24,560 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: He never most people on the other side of the

1181
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 2: fence will go over time to like explain their hip

1182
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 2: hop deedigree. Like we toured with Oakinfeld during the area

1183
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,600
Speaker 2: one tour and talked a lot. He never once gave

1184
01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,120
Speaker 2: a like hip hop pedigree and da da da da

1185
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,280
Speaker 2: da da da really yeah, damn.

1186
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:45,040
Speaker 7: Haul When they would come over, the first stop is

1187
01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,800
Speaker 7: they'd come to ninety eight Elizabeth Street like that. It

1188
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 7: was great, you know, everybody would come through there. And

1189
01:00:51,080 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 7: then when him and Pete Tong become these Dan Selectro people,

1190
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 7: I was like, wow, interesting. So there was this community,

1191
01:00:58,600 --> 01:01:01,000
Speaker 7: there was the people from Japan there, you know, who

1192
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,600
Speaker 7: ultimately become a part of the ground swell of the

1193
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 7: music crossing over and the ripple effect culturally. So these

1194
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,400
Speaker 7: you know, I remember we went to London and I,

1195
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 7: you know, would make myself the European door manager so

1196
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,960
Speaker 7: I could get a little holiday, and you know, we

1197
01:01:19,360 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 7: would they we got kicked out of a hotel or

1198
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 7: people didn't the food they wanted and I would just

1199
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,400
Speaker 7: like be like, no, you cannot treat these guys this way,

1200
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 7: so I love them then. I love them now because

1201
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 7: I recognized how ground I didn't maybe knew what I

1202
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 7: was in, but I knew it was something exciting and

1203
01:01:40,600 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 7: groundbreaking and necessary and a part of how our narrative

1204
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,919
Speaker 7: as black people. We were taking it to something new.

1205
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 7: Now it was going to become. I didn't know that

1206
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:54,600
Speaker 7: I was young and dumb, but I knew in my

1207
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:58,640
Speaker 7: heart that they had to be treasured and that it

1208
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 7: wasn't okay to be like, oh the rappers there, No,

1209
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,120
Speaker 7: these are the artists.

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