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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight. From coast to coast Am on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: In the nineteen eighties, a storm of illness, chronic fatigue, fibromyelgia,

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Speaker 2: multiple chemical sensitivities felled Pam Colleen, casting her into a

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Speaker 2: crucible of suffering. Unbowed, she forged a path to renewal,

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Speaker 2: immersing herself in nutrition and natural health. Clinicians, though well meaning,

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Speaker 2: often led her astray, their missteps, sharpening her instinct for

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Speaker 2: authentic healing. With degrees and languages and education, Pam once

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Speaker 2: envisioned teaching tongues, but her body's betrayal redirected her fate.

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Speaker 2: Rising victorious over her ailments, she found her true north,

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Speaker 2: empowering others to conquer sickness. Co author of The Great

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Speaker 2: Bird flu Hoax with doctor Joseph mccola, and host of

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Speaker 2: The Circadian Reboot with Pam Colleen, She's a clarion voice

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Speaker 2: for wellness, not for those content to cradle disease, but

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Speaker 2: for warriors eager to reclaim life's vas Haunted by some

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Speaker 2: clients sluggish recoveries, Pam saw deeper truths. Guided by Circadian

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Speaker 2: trail blazers like Jack Kruz, she uncovered a primal key.

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Speaker 2: Our body's ancient clock drives healing modern chaos. Phrase this

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Speaker 2: rhythm stalling vitality. With fierce resolve, she launched the Sleep

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Speaker 2: Better Form, a haven to realign souls with nature's pulse.

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Speaker 2: Pam Colleen, Welcome to Coast to Coast, Am, How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm great, Thanks, Richard. It's an honor to be here.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate your invitation to join you tonight.

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Speaker 2: What do we mean by circadian rhythm?

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Speaker 4: Circadian rhythm, Well, it's basically, our body is biological clock,

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Speaker 4: and we evolved on this circadian rhythm, you know, for

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Speaker 4: you know, centuries, for thousands of years.

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Speaker 3: We rely on this clock for so many different purposes

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Speaker 3: in our body, everything from our sleep to our digestion,

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Speaker 3: to hormonal health, etc. Etc. And So what's happened is

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Speaker 3: we've denied our body this natural rhythm that we evolved with.

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Speaker 3: And it's really due to this fast new world that

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Speaker 3: we live in. A lot of the choices that we're

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Speaker 3: making today are actually undermining this natural circadian rhythm. And

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Speaker 3: so what's happening, of course, is you know, I think

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Speaker 3: a lot of people are blindsided by it. They don't

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Speaker 3: really know what's happening to them. They're chronically fatigued, they're

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Speaker 3: not sleeping properly. But unfortunately, I think what's happened is

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Speaker 3: a lot of people are normalizing their symptoms and think

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Speaker 3: it's just a part of aging, or it's just because

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Speaker 3: they're overworking, or they have a lot of stress in

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Speaker 3: their lives. But I think it's overall just generally we're

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Speaker 3: making a lot of bad decisions over the course of

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Speaker 3: the day, even though I think we think that they're

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Speaker 3: healthy decisions because we're potentially so busy, or we don't

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Speaker 3: have time to prepare our meals properly, or you know,

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Speaker 3: we're sleeping six hours and we think that's adequate. So

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Speaker 3: we're making a lot of bad decisions, and it's just,

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Speaker 3: you know, one bad decision is piling on top of

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Speaker 3: another bad decision, and our biology is just simply screaming

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Speaker 3: for attention, and we're just not knowing where to start

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Speaker 3: because there's just so much chaos out in the world today.

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Speaker 2: What does sleep do for the body? How does sleep

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Speaker 2: help us heal?

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Speaker 1: Well?

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Speaker 3: You know, the sleep science is evolving on a daily basis.

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Speaker 3: I keep reading new research that's coming up through the woodwork.

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Speaker 3: But I think the two things that stand out to

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Speaker 3: day where our body can actually repair and restore. So

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Speaker 3: we really need that time to you know, strengthen our bodies.

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Speaker 3: We also need that time to detoxify as well, and

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Speaker 3: so over the course of the day, you know, we

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Speaker 3: we might be building up certain toxins in our body,

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Speaker 3: and at night we you know, if we're relaxed and

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Speaker 3: growth hormone is affected. And so you see in aging people,

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Speaker 3: muscle wasting in especially older people. Perhaps when you're younger,

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Speaker 3: can manifest as muscle wasting and it's a sign that

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Speaker 3: lot of young people today too, Richard. And this is

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Speaker 3: So these poor children are not developing properly simply because

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Speaker 3: So we were sleeping better, you know, a few decades

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I want to get around to blue light in

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Speaker 2: it's a huge industry, the sleep industry. We're spending, you know,

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Speaker 2: getting a good sleep. It's it's an epidemic. Nobody's talking

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Speaker 2: about it, but we're all miserable in our beds. You know,

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Speaker 2: our ancestors slept under the stars on a cold ground.

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Speaker 2: Why did you know what made their rest so solid

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Speaker 3: Right, Well, they were respecting the rhythms. They were respecting

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Speaker 2: So let's get back to the screens. And many of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's there are many different colors in the light

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Speaker 3: be able to have a healthy conversation with you, Richard.

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Speaker 3: So I have bright lights on top of me right

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Speaker 3: So other hormones are also affected by all of this

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Speaker 3: So I'm not saying to become pure tan and return

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Speaker 5: You will, And I do want to get I do

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Speaker 5: want to get to those I just want to kind

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Speaker 5: of go through sort of the hindrances to a good sleep,

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Speaker 2: But let's talk about noise. Is we if you live

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's basically telling your body that if there's noise,

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Speaker 3: And so some people, I know, even myself, I wear

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Speaker 3: And so that's why they call the bedroom your you know, oasis.

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Speaker 3: It has to be set very intentionally so that you

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Speaker 3: and that includes quiet as well.

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Speaker 2: And what's the deal with electromagnetic fields, Let's say, from

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Speaker 2: from phones Wi fi? Are they zapping our circadian rhythm?

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Speaker 3: Yes? Yeah, it's one of the biggest interferences out there,

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Speaker 3: and we can't escape it. Practically. It's very you know'sbiquitous,

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Speaker 3: and what it's doing, it's your brain has waves in

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Speaker 3: going on. You have your alpha, your data you know,

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Speaker 3: and they need to be you know, in sync for

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Speaker 3: EMFs do, these man made EMFs, what they do is

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Speaker 3: they actually throw off your body's electrical circuitry and that

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Speaker 3: includes your brain waves, and so it can really really

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Speaker 3: throw off your sleep. And that's one of the biggest

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Speaker 3: complaints that I have when I talk to people, is

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Speaker 3: that they notice when they have their router on at night,

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Speaker 3: or if they're surrounded by a lot of electrical equipment

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Speaker 3: to their bedroom and they start removing these this dirty electricity,

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Speaker 3: if you will, then all of a sudden, their sleep improves.

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Speaker 3: So it's a pretty amazing, you know, cause and effect

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Speaker 3: relationship that can go on once you start reducing your

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Speaker 3: exposure to these non native EMFs. So that's one of

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Speaker 3: the biggest factors I see. I mean, the the EMFs

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Speaker 3: do other things to the body as well, but where

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Speaker 3: sleep is concerned, it certainly disrupts. It certainly disrupts your sleep.

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Speaker 2: There's no question about that. Very quickly, because I've only

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Speaker 2: got about thirty seconds here and then I got to

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Speaker 2: go to a break. Why eight hours? And we can

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Speaker 2: continue this conversation after the break. But why eight hours?

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Speaker 2: Is that an arbitrary number?

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Speaker 3: I think it's probably an arbitrary number, but I think

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Speaker 3: it's a number.

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Speaker 4: It's a number that I.

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Speaker 3: Think we need to respect. I think a lot of

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Speaker 3: people are going to tell you more times than not

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Speaker 3: that if they get a good, solid eight hours of

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Speaker 3: sleep at night, they're going to feel a lot better

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Speaker 3: the next day. I don't think six hours is adequate.

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Speaker 3: Nine hours might be good for a lot of people,

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Speaker 3: but I think it's really just a consistent feeling across

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Speaker 3: the board. If people get eight hours of sleep at night,

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Speaker 3: and it's good quality sleep, they're going to have a

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Speaker 3: pretty good day the next day.

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