1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Business Week with Carol Masser from Bloomberg Radio. So, yeah, 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: you know what that is Clapton unplugged. Eric Clapton actually 3 00:00:18,160 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 1: calling out musician Chuck Lavell. There, um something I know 4 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:23,919 Speaker 1: we have played many many times in my home. And 5 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: a new documentary it's called The tree Man Chronicles. Chuck, 6 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:29,920 Speaker 1: who has spent half a century going around the world 7 00:00:29,920 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: with some of the cons of rock as musical musical 8 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 1: director for the Rolling Stones. He's told and played with 9 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 1: the Almond Brothers, Eric Clapton so many more. He is 10 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: on the phone and Buller, Georgia. He's also founder of 11 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 1: mother Nature Network. It's a source for environmental news. Also 12 00:00:43,800 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: with us and also acclaimed Alan Farrest, director, filmmaker and 13 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:51,480 Speaker 1: contour photographer. He has covered the world of action, sports, music, 14 00:00:51,520 --> 00:00:55,520 Speaker 1: documentary films so much. Alan is the founder of Niche 15 00:00:55,600 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: Productions and he's with us on the phone and date 16 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: in Ohio. So, gentlemen, welcome, welcome to Boomberg Radio. I'm 17 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: so delighted to have you here with us, and I 18 00:01:03,440 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: want to start off with how this came together for 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:08,480 Speaker 1: for the two of you and Chuck. Let me start 20 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: with you, well, First of all, Carol, thank you so 21 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: much for inviting a song. I really appreciated it. At 22 00:01:14,800 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: an earthly here um. Alan and I had known each 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: other for a number of years because he had asked 24 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:27,120 Speaker 1: me to play on a guitar player UM session that 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:31,560 Speaker 1: he was managing and promoting, and so I went up 26 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: to o'hao for the session. Everything went fine. Then there 27 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,160 Speaker 1: was this long gap where I didn't really talk to Alan, 28 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 1: and we had this concept to do a documentary and 29 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 1: we were in Las Vegas to do a show with 30 00:01:46,360 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: the Rolling Stones, which unfortunately got canceled because Met got laryngitis, 31 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: and allan happened, just happened to be in in um, 32 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: Las Vegas and out of the blue, call me up 33 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: and we do the show. But let's get together and 34 00:02:01,520 --> 00:02:05,400 Speaker 1: say hey, And we talked about this documentary concept and 35 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:07,440 Speaker 1: he said, man, you know, is there any chance you 36 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: left me to consider me for the project. And I said, well, yeah, sure, 37 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: So we talked about it. He convinced me that he 38 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,519 Speaker 1: really really wanted it. I'm so glad that we got 39 00:02:17,520 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: together and did this and we shot over three and 40 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,480 Speaker 1: a half years, and he just did a masterful job, 41 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 1: not only of shooting during all that time, but of 42 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: weaving the stories together, so very very pleased. Well, let's 43 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: talk about that, Alan, because you know, right at the top, 44 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: at the top, you know, there are the three storylines 45 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: of Chuck's life, his musical life, his life as an environmentalist, 46 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: and for our folks here watching on YouTube was just 47 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,640 Speaker 1: seeing some of the environmental work that Chuck does. But 48 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,440 Speaker 1: also you wove in his personal life and his love 49 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: for his wife. How did you think about weaving those 50 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: stories together? Because it's really cool. You go from kind 51 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:55,280 Speaker 1: of making bacon to talking about the Almond brothers. You 52 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: go from talking rolling stones and seeing Mick, Keith and 53 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,840 Speaker 1: Ronnie and then talking about setting burns and horrists. It's 54 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: really wonderful how it's all woven together. Alan. Oh, thank you, 55 00:03:04,880 --> 00:03:07,920 Speaker 1: Carol Um, thanks for having us a one. You know, 56 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: I think Chuck's story I knew from the outside just 57 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,280 Speaker 1: when he was wanting to do this, and I really 58 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:16,160 Speaker 1: wanted to do it, you know, I knew he had 59 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: a great story, uh to tell, and it was just 60 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 1: kind of it just needed to come out, you know, 61 00:03:21,720 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: and Uh, this this opportunity I wanted to take and 62 00:03:26,480 --> 00:03:29,640 Speaker 1: make this film as unique as as he is, you know, 63 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 1: and he is as salt of the earth kind of guy. Uh. 64 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: He never takes more than what he he needs, um, 65 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: but he gives back way more uh than the common guy. 66 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: You know, and not only musically, but also with his 67 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: forest life. And also his marriage is kind of works 68 00:03:50,240 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 1: the same way. I mean, it's it's a real testament 69 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 1: to be in the rock and roll business and have 70 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: a marriage of forty seven years, uh, you know what 71 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: I mean. But and he also met in a very 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:04,200 Speaker 1: unique way at Capricorn Records, so um, you know, Rose 73 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: Lane worked there right when you walked in the doors, 74 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 1: and he met her at such a young age, and 75 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: they they fall in love and they've been together ever since. 76 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 1: As the movie says, you know, yeah, it actually you know, 77 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 1: sets goals for all of us in a relationship. It's 78 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: really it's really lovely, Chuck. I mean, what did you 79 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,560 Speaker 1: think about I mean three three and a half years, 80 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,760 Speaker 1: as you said, the process of it, what what was 81 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,600 Speaker 1: it that you hoped ultimately was shown as you worked 82 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: with Alan on this. You know, my main motivation, Carol, 83 00:04:33,240 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: was to wind up with a document for my family, 84 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: for grandchildren, for future grandchildren, great grandchildren, up the road, 85 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:47,400 Speaker 1: and not only of my life or you know, myself 86 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 1: and my wife rose Lane, but also for the times, 87 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,719 Speaker 1: you know, to to have a document of what the 88 00:04:53,760 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 1: touring was like with the Stones at this particular point 89 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,719 Speaker 1: in time. Uh, talk about some of the things we 90 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 1: did in the past with the Almond Brothers band and 91 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 1: you know, some of the other musicians and artists that 92 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: I've just been so privileged to work with. If you 93 00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:11,720 Speaker 1: had Eric there, and you know Eric oh Man, I 94 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 1: had a great couple of years with him and David, 95 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: David Gilmore and others. So really that was my motivation 96 00:05:18,760 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: was to have this document that would kind of show 97 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: a picture of the times and something for the family. Alan. 98 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:27,480 Speaker 1: You know, we've got about a minute and then we're 99 00:05:27,480 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 1: gonna take a little bit of a break and then 100 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: we'll come back and talk some more. But I imagine 101 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:33,279 Speaker 1: that there had to be some serious logistical issues during filming. 102 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: I mean, how do you travel the world recorded interviews 103 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: with I think some eight people during a lockdown. Well 104 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: it's it was we we kind of finished right before 105 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 1: lockdown happened. But but you know, for for those three years, yeah, 106 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,080 Speaker 1: you're right, we went you know, Europe like seven eight 107 00:05:50,120 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 1: times and back and forth, and you know, one day 108 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,880 Speaker 1: you're with Clapton, the next day you're with Gilmore. I 109 00:05:54,880 --> 00:05:59,280 Speaker 1: mean it was like living Chuck's life on warp speed going, uh, 110 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:01,839 Speaker 1: you know, back with all the people he had played with, 111 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 1: which which you were trying to bring that into the story, 112 00:06:05,440 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: you know. So it's it's always a challenge when you're 113 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: when you're traveling with three thousand pounds of gear on 114 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: a smaller crew to try to save money because you know, 115 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: we knew we were going to interview well, we could 116 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: have potentially interviewed eighty people, um, and we really got 117 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: them all, you know, So it just we had to 118 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,800 Speaker 1: kind of stretch the budget out to make it happen. 119 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:27,560 Speaker 1: But that was that's kind of how we did it. 120 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: To check. I gotta ask you because, as we talked 121 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: about earlier, woven through the film is your love of 122 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: the environment. Uh And you talk about it a lot. 123 00:06:35,800 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Where did that all come from it? And I know 124 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:39,919 Speaker 1: you talk about in the film when your wife inherited 125 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 1: a farm. Um, but just talk to us a little 126 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: bit about this and what you're hoping the message you're 127 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: hoping to get out to people. Yes, Well, it is 128 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: definitely all my wife's fault because you guys always blame us, 129 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:57,640 Speaker 1: that's always what happens. But you know the fact is 130 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 1: that Rose Lanes family has been connected to the land 131 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:06,760 Speaker 1: literally for generations as farmers tending cattle and livestock, attending 132 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: forest land and road cropping. And you know, when we 133 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: first got together, and as we pointed out earlier, it's 134 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: been forty seven years now, uh, I began to get 135 00:07:17,520 --> 00:07:20,800 Speaker 1: a field for the passion to love, the dedication of 136 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:25,840 Speaker 1: the land that this family had. And in nine she 137 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:28,480 Speaker 1: inherited some land from her grandmother, and it became our 138 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: responsibility to carry on what I saw is a heritage 139 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 1: of stewardship. And so I went on a little, you know, journey, 140 00:07:38,000 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: educational journey, going to library, checking out books on land 141 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: use and so forth. And the short of it is 142 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: that I had kind of an AHA moment when I realized, well, 143 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: where does that thing that has given me so much 144 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: joy in such a great career come from. The piano, 145 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,400 Speaker 1: of course, had comes largely from the resource of wood, 146 00:07:56,480 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: and as does most other musical instruments, so I have 147 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: personal connection and I really wanted to study forestry and 148 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 1: learn more about you know, long term sustainable forestry and 149 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: incredible gives us. Yeah, and it's certain certainly I think 150 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:18,920 Speaker 1: we're losing your phone a little bit, so hopefully it 151 00:08:18,920 --> 00:08:21,800 Speaker 1: comes back. Um. It's certainly something very near and dear 152 00:08:21,920 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: tall of us. And I think this year of dealing 153 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:28,680 Speaker 1: with the pandemic, dealing with inequities, but also you know, 154 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 1: seeing the environment, Um, you know what happens when the 155 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: economy shuts down and the skies are blue again and 156 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,320 Speaker 1: you can see mountain ranges, but also watching those terrible 157 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: fires in California. I mean, Alan, I feel like in 158 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,880 Speaker 1: so many ways this film is just spot on. Yeah, 159 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: you know, four years ago and we started it. We 160 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: we didn't really know that the California fires were gonna 161 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: take off and be so much in the news in 162 00:08:54,480 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: the last year. And I think some of those practices 163 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,040 Speaker 1: that Chuck talks about with fire breaks and some of 164 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: that stuff, um, you know, I think, you know, you're 165 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: hoping that environmentalists can take a uh, you know, maybe 166 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 1: step back and look at some of those practices and 167 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:13,600 Speaker 1: you know, you might have to give a little to 168 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: keep a lot, you know sometimes, And I think that's 169 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: kind of the message of of the film. And you know, 170 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,360 Speaker 1: I think if your listeners want to check it out, 171 00:09:22,440 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 1: you know, they can. They can find it on v 172 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:26,840 Speaker 1: O D now, which would put them into like iTunes, 173 00:09:26,920 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: Apple iTunes or Amazon and they can just search the 174 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: tree Man. But I think Ce and Chuck's story, um, 175 00:09:34,240 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: and watching what he brings to the table with the environment. Um, 176 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: it's just a big piece of the movie, uh that 177 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 1: you don't really see coming, you know. You you know, 178 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:48,439 Speaker 1: he has this uh, just giant body of work that 179 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: he's done, not only on um, you know, hits and 180 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:55,960 Speaker 1: helping other bands, but then these other, you know, humongous bands. 181 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 1: He's been touring with them, playing with from the Almond 182 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: Brothers to the Stones. It's just incredible because if you 183 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,319 Speaker 1: had just one of those in your career, it would 184 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: have been a monumental career. But he's done his time 185 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: and time again. Yeah, and to hire all of them. 186 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 1: Just talk about how great you are talking. It's really 187 00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 1: you know, just a real person and really humble and 188 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:19,959 Speaker 1: uh and just so appreciative of kind of what the 189 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,000 Speaker 1: world has has brought your way. I want to do 190 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: because we're running out of time and hopefully we can 191 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 1: get you guys back again in the future. I want 192 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,440 Speaker 1: to do a quick kind of word association with you, Chuck, 193 00:10:28,480 --> 00:10:30,840 Speaker 1: if I can just briefly, if I say rolling Stones, 194 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: what comes to mind? Fun? I bet there are stories? Well, 195 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: can I tell you A colleague said to me that 196 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: they once heard that Ronnie would start his day with 197 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:45,200 Speaker 1: four Guinnesses. Is that true? Oh no, listen, Ronnie has 198 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: been clean and sober for a long time now, and 199 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 1: he's got a wonderful wife, Sally, and they have to 200 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: two beautiful twin daughters that are just adorable. And Ronnie 201 00:10:55,760 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: has got it together. I mean, it's amazing. And don't 202 00:10:58,800 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: forget he's probably the most popular contemporary visual artist in 203 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:06,840 Speaker 1: the in the world today. Yeah, that's actually, that's actually 204 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,080 Speaker 1: a really good point as well. Um, Allman Brothers, what 205 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:15,480 Speaker 1: comes to mind? Oh? And Southern rock, Um, you know, 206 00:11:16,800 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: paving the way for a new kind of music. Clapton, 207 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: Oh wow, impeccable, Uh, gentleman, Um, generous and awesome. Southern 208 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: Yellow Pine. Southern Yellow Pine is everything to me. It's 209 00:11:38,760 --> 00:11:41,160 Speaker 1: where I am, That's who I am, It's where I live. 210 00:11:42,400 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: And Rose Lane, love, love and more love. Well, I 211 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: gotta tell you it's a great film, and I think, 212 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, in a time when we're all feeling first 213 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,439 Speaker 1: of all, we all want content, but just needs something 214 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: to maybe bring a smile to our face. Uh, it's 215 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,959 Speaker 1: just a great thing to watch, and and the music 216 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: and it is just incredible. Chuck, thank you so much, Allen, 217 00:12:02,840 --> 00:12:05,960 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Stay safe, be well, and uh 218 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 1: you're welcome back any time. And I wish you good 219 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:10,839 Speaker 1: luck with the with the documentary and the film. I 220 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: really appreciate it. Chuck Lavel, singer, songwriter, musician, on the 221 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: phone from Bullard Georgia Ellen Forrest, director, filmmaker and photographer. 222 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: Check out their documentary. It is called The tree Man, 223 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 1: and it really is weaving together so many aspects of 224 00:12:24,080 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: Chuck's life, including of course his great musical career, but 225 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:30,960 Speaker 1: also his love of his family, his wife, and then 226 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: what he's been doing really when it comes to sustainability 227 00:12:33,679 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 1: and sustainable forming in particular. Again, it's called The tree Man. 228 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: And we're going to go out with a song certainly 229 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: familiar to Chuck and I bet to all of our 230 00:12:42,480 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 1: listeners something he played on Jessica with the Almond Brothers.