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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, welcome to I saw what you did. My

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Speaker 1: name is Millie to Jericho, I'm Danielle Henderson, and we're

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Speaker 1: here to discuss film for film people and non film people. Right.

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Speaker 2: Can en movies? Can I call them movie?

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Speaker 1: Movie? Wait? Are movies films?

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Speaker 2: Are they motion pictures? Lit's doen motion pictures? Let's from

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Speaker 2: motion pictures? Back, I'm going to going to the talkies.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's so many people that say like people

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Speaker 1: are like I love this film, I love this movie.

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Speaker 1: And then there's like other branches of like you know,

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Speaker 1: motion pictures, Uh, cinema, like just which is a weird

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Speaker 1: just saying cinema is weird?

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Speaker 2: Can you just imagine sitting near someone like what did

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Speaker 2: you do last night? I went to the cinema? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: You're like, are they you also popped up here at

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Speaker 2: in nineteen twenty three? Like what's up? Well? Right?

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Speaker 1: And then I started thinking about how Peter Bogdanovich, the

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Speaker 1: director Peter Bogdanovic, always says pictures. He's like, I love

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Speaker 1: that picture. That was a good picture. And I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I could never say that, Like I don't have the

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Speaker 1: I just don't have the balls to say it. I

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Speaker 1: don't have the right to say it. I feel like

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Speaker 1: the only people that say that are like old guys

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Speaker 1: and ascots, you know, and yeah, she's always that's a

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Speaker 1: good picture.

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Speaker 2: And I'm like, all right, she's that's what they grew

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Speaker 1: I guess yeah, I can't even say it, like ironically,

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Speaker 1: I just can't. Just sounds weird.

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Speaker 2: So okay with either How was your week? How was

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Speaker 2: your week? What's going on in uh, good old Florida?

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I uh well, I'm sorry if I

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Speaker 1: was late at all. Actually think I might have been

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Speaker 1: early today, but I was literally checking my temperature like

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Speaker 1: five times before I showed up to this because I

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Speaker 1: was like, do I have a fever? And it terms on, No,

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Speaker 1: I'm just hot because Florida is one hundred degrees well,

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Speaker 1: I mean it's crazy because it's like I grew up

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Speaker 1: two about humidity, and I mean, LA is hot, uncertain months,

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Speaker 1: like desert hot. Though it's like you walk into the

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Speaker 1: shade and it's like thirty degrees cooler, right like Florida.

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Speaker 1: The South is like there's no relief, Like you can't

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Speaker 1: even you really just have to walk into like the

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Speaker 1: most air conditioned building of all time in order to

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Speaker 1: feel happiness. But I mean I was like, and on

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Speaker 1: top of that, it's I think like most people with parents,

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Speaker 1: like this house is hot all the time.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, parents cannot get their shit together when it

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Speaker 2: comes to controlling a temperature. They do. They just want

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Speaker 2: if the thermosta could just say suffering year round, it

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Speaker 2: would just be set to suffering. You're either too hot

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Speaker 2: or too cold. But either way they're not fucking with

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Speaker 2: their bill.

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Speaker 1: I And that's the funny thing too, is because I've

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Speaker 1: tried to understand this because to be honest, they weren't

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Speaker 1: actually not They were not like anti ac people when

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Speaker 1: kind of on the hotter side, but not where you're

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Speaker 1: like sweating in your sleep. And you know, my parents are.

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Speaker 1: They're both from like southern hot, foreign climates, so I'm like,

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Speaker 1: maybe they just like are they just don't like cold.

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Speaker 1: But this is a next level where it's like like

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Speaker 1: at least eighty two degrees in here, and I'm sweating

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Speaker 1: that's why I was like, Okay, do you have a fever?

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Speaker 1: Like what's going on here? As it turns out, now

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Speaker 1: I'm just somebody's running a dryer.

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Speaker 2: Let somebody walk through the room. They added their body

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Speaker 2: temperature to the existing climate. I definitely grew up in

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Speaker 2: a non acy household, meaning we didn't even have ac

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Speaker 2: my grandma would run it at night while she was

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Speaker 2: watching TV and then turn it off. And I was like,

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Speaker 2: Richard scary novel. No, it was like possums and disgusting

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Speaker 2: can't live like this.

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Speaker 1: I know truly nothing worse than like sweating in a bed, like,

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Speaker 1: and the thing is is that when I moved to La,

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Speaker 1: like most places in LA don't have air conditioning. You're

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Speaker 1: lucky if you have a window unit. But you know,

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Speaker 1: feels like a non option.

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Speaker 2: Well everyone and everyone would die, like anyone over the

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Speaker 2: age of fifty would die in Georgia if they didn't

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Speaker 1: I will tell you though, when I was in my twenties,

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Speaker 1: I think it was just like my first apartment that

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Speaker 1: don't want anything. I'm just like, well, I guess if

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Speaker 1: push it into the living room where there's a fan.

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Speaker 1: Oh and I would do this for like six to

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Speaker 1: eight months of the year, So I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, I hindsight. Hindsight is incredibly litigious. Isn't that

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Speaker 1: Exactly? But like, yeah, so, how how's it going with you? Like,

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Speaker 2: I'm all right, you're not missing anything. I went outside

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Speaker 2: you know, you've been in my house. I have, like

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Speaker 2: don't talk to any of my neighbors. It's fine. I

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Speaker 2: have been like a callia pee, because I don't know

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Speaker 2: music thing that plays in the background of Merry Grounds

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Speaker 2: I said out loud, like before I could even stop myself,

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Speaker 2: I've never lived in a place that is more diametrically

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Speaker 2: opposed to who I am as a person. But I

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Speaker 2: don't need to walk out of my house and see

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Speaker 2: a fucking old school calliope squeeze box and people being like,

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Speaker 2: oh my god, I love it. I love that, So

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Speaker 2: I couldn't. I couldn't do it today. And I'm like,

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Speaker 2: put your fucking masks on. If you're gonna be squeezing

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Speaker 1: Oh gone, And just to be like, yeah, that seems

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Speaker 2: In the year of our Lord twenty twenty, while goddamn

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Speaker 2: think looks cool, because what practical newses I have in

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Speaker 2: your life right now?

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Speaker 1: Zero?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's just going to you. You can't even have

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Speaker 2: course she has to act excited about it because she's like, yeah,

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Speaker 2: this is he's putting this in the trunk. It's coming

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Speaker 1: Souse of the calliope industry has not suffered at all

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Speaker 2: It's the optic. Other than that, I'm still I'm still upset.

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Speaker 2: We talked on Tuesdays. You already know about this, but

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Speaker 2: I'm still mad about my grocery delivery for this week.

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Speaker 2: I use a grocery delivery service and I try to

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Speaker 2: use it as much as possible because you know, again,

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Speaker 2: I'm the only person in LA who's still in lockdown.

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Speaker 2: You guys will get back, So I'm me getting my

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Speaker 2: is mail, I know my shit's going to be fucked up.

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Speaker 2: Every single time, I mean, every delivery has something wrong

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Speaker 2: with it. They forget things, whole cart, you know, just

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Speaker 2: forget things. I got some yogurt once, like a little

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Speaker 2: I'm like, you couldn't get it from the store to

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Speaker 2: your car to my house in one piece, like all something.

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Speaker 1: Who's the best delivery person?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Like an older woman? Like who's like, on average, who

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Speaker 2: Best delivery person on it?

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Speaker 1: Can't be a guy, a young guy. It seems bad right,

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Speaker 2: No, get them out of my face. I think an

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Speaker 2: old yeah, like an older woman, and actually any woman,

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Speaker 2: sexist as hell, like women be shopping, but I truly

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Speaker 2: groceries have gotten it right. Every time. The replacements are

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Speaker 2: on point and they ask me questions. Every dude is

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Speaker 2: just zipping around the store throwing shit in the cart,

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Speaker 2: not looking at it, which is how I ended up

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Speaker 2: with three turnips. I ask for sweet potatoes, and this

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Speaker 2: motherfucker brings me turnips. And I'm like, all right, well,

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Speaker 2: I know not a lot of people cook, not a

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Speaker 2: lot of people like to cook or know what food

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Speaker 2: looks like. I get it. I get it. If you

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Speaker 2: can't fix your mouth to ask someone in that goddamn

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Speaker 2: store send me a picture and be like is this it?

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Speaker 2: Because that's the app is based on that. Like, you

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Speaker 2: can send me pictures, we can chat, we can talk.

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Speaker 2: Don't just pick up three fucking turnips and then just

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Speaker 2: give them to me, Like that's what I ask for

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Speaker 2: because now I'm looking up recipes for turnips. I'm I

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Speaker 2: grew up on welfare. We don't waste food. Well, so tell.

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Speaker 1: Us to use these pieces of this simple yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: a simple Google search though, Yeah, Like I do that

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Speaker 2: never wanted to get married. So I think if you

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00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 2: put your own like spin on it, and if you're

433
00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,480
Speaker 2: someone who really wants to get married and the people

434
00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: around you were all shacking up, of course it seems

435
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,879
Speaker 2: like a that could be pretty painful. Yeah, but I

436
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:46,840
Speaker 2: always thought, yeah, if it happens, it happens. If it doesn't, fine,

437
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, like it definitely I didn't want. It wasn't

438
00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: something that was like a goal. So I think that

439
00:22:52,280 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: is always interesting for me to see that side of

440
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: a friendship when you're like, Oh, somebody wants something that

441
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 2: you have, and I don't think I've ever had it

442
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: that explicitly. And I don't know, do you feel like

443
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:05,919
Speaker 2: your friends got like you? Have you ever felt that

444
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:11,120
Speaker 2: in a friendship with another woman where you're like, ah,

445
00:23:11,160 --> 00:23:14,200
Speaker 2: this is changing because she's now with this person and

446
00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,479
Speaker 2: she has changed into a different person.

447
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 1: You know. It's interesting because I like, I'm exactly like

448
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: you were a lot. Like I had maybe one or

449
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: two friends that got married early, like in early to

450
00:23:29,280 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: mid twenties, and for the most part they were a

451
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,960
Speaker 1: little older than me anyway, and so it was that

452
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 1: kind of thing where maybe they were just kind of

453
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 1: on track to do it and I and I remember

454
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: actually with one of my friends, like it was kind

455
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: of the opposite issue where she was married and then

456
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:51,840
Speaker 1: was like, how come you don't call me to hang

457
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 1: out at the and go to the bar with you anymore?

458
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, because I don't like, you got your

459
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,640
Speaker 1: little of the guy and you're married, Like I don't know,

460
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,199
Speaker 1: like maybe I'm the ship. I'm I'm the asshole, like

461
00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 1: apparently because I'm not asking you to like do speed

462
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,600
Speaker 1: at you know, like a britpop club or whatever. I

463
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,320
Speaker 1: don't know someone else.

464
00:24:14,760 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: Like that is an interesting point though, And they bring

465
00:24:16,920 --> 00:24:19,800
Speaker 2: you up in the in the movie where Katherine Keener says,

466
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,240
Speaker 2: you used to need me. When something happens to me,

467
00:24:22,359 --> 00:24:25,159
Speaker 2: I tell you. When something happens to you, you tell Frank.

468
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,200
Speaker 2: So I think that it is easy to internalize as

469
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: the single person in that relationship that like, you have

470
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,040
Speaker 2: a built in person. So if you want to hang out,

471
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:36,120
Speaker 2: maybe you're the one who has to tell me that,

472
00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:38,320
Speaker 2: because otherwise I'm going to assume that, like you pick

473
00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 2: the person you want to wake up next to and

474
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,399
Speaker 2: look at for the rest of your fucking life.

475
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, it's it's always such a it's real,

476
00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:50,080
Speaker 1: it's real, like weird, It's just it's just weird because

477
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,919
Speaker 1: I get I have gotten accused of that, like from

478
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: from maybe more than one person, of just being like, well,

479
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,479
Speaker 1: you know, why did you assume that I'm like, not,

480
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: you don't call me because I'm.

481
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:04,080
Speaker 2: Married or something.

482
00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,840
Speaker 1: But I but I honestly feel that by and large,

483
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 1: I mean a lot of my married friends, and especially

484
00:25:09,280 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 1: after you have kids, it's like they just have the

485
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,560
Speaker 1: priorities just change. And You're right, a lot of people,

486
00:25:16,760 --> 00:25:19,440
Speaker 1: myself included. When I've been in relationships, you just kind

487
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: of like disappear into another thing, Like you're just kind

488
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 1: of like with other people, you have to consider other people.

489
00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: It's not just this easy breezy like, yeah, I guess,

490
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,159
Speaker 1: do whatever the fuck I want to do, unless you

491
00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: have an extremely chill relationship. I mean, it's like most

492
00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: people though, it's like a little give and a little

493
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:39,440
Speaker 1: take and right, it's never been easy to like navigate

494
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,040
Speaker 1: any of that stuff on either side. They were kind

495
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 1: of codependent situation in walking and talking, and I think

496
00:25:48,520 --> 00:25:52,760
Speaker 1: that's the stickiest part to unravel, is just like the

497
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: codependency and how you like get out.

498
00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 2: Of that in a lot of ways, you know, well

499
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 2: exactly because so many, so many female friend are built

500
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: on that notion that like we are surviving something together,

501
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 2: whether it's just the experience of being girls and women

502
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,840
Speaker 2: or whatever, it is like we're surviving something together. And

503
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: when one person is ripped away or has ripped themselves

504
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:19,879
Speaker 2: away from that dynamic, it is a very lonely, fraught

505
00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 2: kind of situation. And I think that, I mean, I

506
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 2: do feel that more less with marriage, but more when

507
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,679
Speaker 2: people have kids, Like when people have kids, then I know,

508
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 2: like we have nothing to talk about for like two

509
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 2: years in terms of the friendship. That's sort of me

510
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:37,400
Speaker 2: like the dynamics sincerely change. So I feel like that's

511
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:40,679
Speaker 2: more of the wedge in friendships that I see as

512
00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,439
Speaker 2: an adult, and it's not even permanent. It's just like

513
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 2: I know that this is what you're going through and

514
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,919
Speaker 2: that this is what you're dealing with right now. So

515
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,439
Speaker 2: I think that it's cool that they actually I like

516
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: that this movie took it from the perspective of you're

517
00:26:55,920 --> 00:27:00,199
Speaker 2: getting married and not because it does shine and the

518
00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:03,080
Speaker 2: light on how close their friendship was. That someone could

519
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 2: be that upset that someone's getting married and it wasn't

520
00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,359
Speaker 2: even about her being single or anything like that. I

521
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,040
Speaker 2: think it was mostly just that fear of who am

522
00:27:11,080 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 2: I without you?

523
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:16,240
Speaker 1: Totally? And you know, I know that it was. The

524
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 1: movie was basically written about the director and her best friend,

525
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: who incidentally is was also or is now a therapist

526
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,360
Speaker 1: but at the time was becoming a therapist. And yeah,

527
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think like that movie is pretty seems

528
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,120
Speaker 1: like it was a pretty accurate representation of like how

529
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 1: things were back then. But I think it's really real.

530
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a really it's not like too dramatic,

531
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 1: it's not completely over the top. It's just a simple

532
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: story of like, yeah, things change and we can't live

533
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,320
Speaker 1: together with a cat forever, Like we have to grow

534
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: and how do we do that? And you know, like

535
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,240
Speaker 1: what do we want out of life? And you know,

536
00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 1: hopefully we can continue this friendship forever, you know, and

537
00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,680
Speaker 1: be healthy. And the only other thing about this movie

538
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: that I absolutely love and I think it's like so

539
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,040
Speaker 1: perfect is the Billy Bragg is on the soundtrack. Oh

540
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 1: my goodness, and it's like the two songs. I'm a

541
00:28:12,880 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: huge Billy Brag fan, but it's like the two songs

542
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 1: from Workers Playtime, which is literally in my top three

543
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,359
Speaker 1: I would say three favorite albums of all time like that, Yes,

544
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:27,480
Speaker 1: absolutely Where the other two?

545
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 2: Now, to put you on the spot.

546
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 1: One of them is definitely The Rocketeens, which is in Atlanta,

547
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: ban I would have to I would really have to

548
00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: think about the third. But Workers Playtime is in Three's awesome,

549
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: We'll do.

550
00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 2: A bonus episode for the other ones. But oh, I

551
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 2: love that Billy Bragg soundtrack just instantly transported me to

552
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 2: the nineties. Oh my shocking way, and I was not

553
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,160
Speaker 2: expecting that.

554
00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:53,840
Speaker 1: I mean honestly, and it's like the perfect song. I mean,

555
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 1: there's like, well She's got a New Spell and must

556
00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 1: pay Tree picture, which like lyrically are like perfect for

557
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: what the movies about. And I'm just I think it's

558
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,479
Speaker 1: it's such an incredible film for me. I it's one

559
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: of my personal favorites. I'm so glad we got to

560
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,880
Speaker 1: talk about it. And yeah, it's I love.

561
00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 2: It's a good love that. My movie for the theme

562
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: of changing female friendships is Me Without You. It was

563
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 2: released in two thousand and one and the director is

564
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 2: Sandra Goldbacher.

565
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:28,000
Speaker 1: It was always the two of us, Marina and the

566
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: best friends forever. You should die a hair, Holy you

567
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:31,400
Speaker 1: look like a virgin.

568
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 2: I am a virgin, but you don't need to broadcast it.

569
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 2: I am so when I thought of this category, and

570
00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 2: like we said, we had so many different options for

571
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,120
Speaker 2: what we could have talked about in here. But I

572
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 2: think the reason I chose this movie is that it's

573
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 2: one of the only movies and I've seen it a

574
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,719
Speaker 2: dozen times, but it's one of the only movies that

575
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: feels to me like it really explores the pain of

576
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 2: friendship as well as more than even I would say,

577
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: the joys and the glory of friendships. So I feel

578
00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:06,840
Speaker 2: like we it's a side of friendship that I just

579
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: so rarely see represented in film, which is that that

580
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 2: desperation and the way that friends can be such a

581
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: big part of your heart but also the biggest source

582
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 2: of your pain. And there's only like a particular moment

583
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: in your life where that friendship is allowed to flourish,

584
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:28,280
Speaker 2: and it's usually when you're in your preteens and teens, right,

585
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,400
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to take a look at this

586
00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 2: and it's and it's a movie that I feel like,

587
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,360
Speaker 2: I don't it's it's it's under it's underrepresented in most

588
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: categories because I think that the cast is great. So

589
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 2: you've got Anna Friel playing Marina White, Michelle Williams is

590
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 2: playing Holly.

591
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 1: Thank you for saying White. Michelle Williams, by the way.

592
00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 2: She's pulling off a great subtle British accent. The film

593
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: is set in A synopsis of the film, I guess

594
00:30:57,240 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 2: would be that it is it's a It's a movie

595
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 2: about the story of a friendship between these two girls

596
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 2: who have been neighbors and friends their whole lives, and

597
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 2: it takes place in the seventies and eighties, and it

598
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,520
Speaker 2: sprawls both decades, so we're kind of starting in like

599
00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,760
Speaker 2: seventy two. I want to say, you know, they've lived

600
00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 2: next door to each other their whole lives, so they

601
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:22,240
Speaker 2: have We're coming in on their friendship at a moment

602
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 2: where it's very tender, but you can see as kids

603
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: the distinctive personalities that they have, and you can you

604
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 2: can also see, which I love in this kind of

605
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: film too, is that this is really a film about

606
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: how when you're that close to a friend, you were

607
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: also by default close to or in the proximity of

608
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:46,680
Speaker 2: everyone in their family. Yes, so you just like, you

609
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: know the parents' situation, you know the siblings, and the

610
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: sibling part is what really drives a lot of the

611
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,560
Speaker 2: a lot of this movie as well. So you've got

612
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: Oliver Milburn please.

613
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: Play.

614
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 2: Is Marina's brother Nat And I love Oliver Gilber. I mean,

615
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: he is such a great actor in general, and he

616
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 2: also he has a bit part on one of my

617
00:32:16,280 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: favorite UK comedy shows. It was a show called Green Wing.

618
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 2: He is such a small part, but he is so

619
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 2: hilarious in that show. You have to go find it

620
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: and watch it. It is available on every platform.

621
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 1: But yeah, I know that you are like a big

622
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:34,800
Speaker 1: British television fan, and I'm I love it. But I

623
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: had never heard of him outside of this movie. I

624
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 1: didn't know if he was in anything else, so I

625
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: only know him as Nat so Lucky Lucky. I'm like,

626
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:52,000
Speaker 1: he is so fucking cute. I can't stand it. I

627
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: cannot stand it.

628
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 2: You can tell from the from an early age that

629
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 2: Holly and Nat have a connection and they just like

630
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 2: being around each other, and he's part of their friendship

631
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 2: and he's part of their lives. And he's older, he's

632
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 2: a little bit older, so it's kind of got that

633
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 2: allure of like, oh, there's this one scene when they

634
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:15,360
Speaker 2: show the girls when they're kind of like the preteens,

635
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: you know, like a year or two after we first

636
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 2: see them, they show they show them in their early teens,

637
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:25,720
Speaker 2: and she's looking through her bedroom window across at him

638
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 2: in his bedroom, just listening to Reckless Eric on his

639
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,880
Speaker 2: bed in under like tidy whities, just dick flop in,

640
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:38,680
Speaker 2: just do it as thing. And I'm like, girl, you

641
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 2: have good taste.

642
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: I mean, he is like kind of my dream guy.

643
00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 1: So like ex punk rocker, but like well read, he's

644
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: like you can tell that there's like a soulfulness to him,

645
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: that there's like a depth to him that he's like,

646
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,600
Speaker 1: you know, not about the bullshit type of guy. He

647
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,840
Speaker 1: reads crime and punishment in bed gave me a fucking bring.

648
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, and he's like kind, he's nice.

649
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 2: He's not like you're shitty little kids. He's like, I

650
00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:09,960
Speaker 2: see you as people and I'm nice to you. I

651
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:12,799
Speaker 2: can see why Holly like was all about that shit.

652
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: So and it's and that again to me in terms

653
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: of like the changing female friendship. The thing that was

654
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: interesting to me about this movie as well is that

655
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: I kept questioning, is this friendship? Is this a friendship

656
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 2: built around men or disrupted by them?

657
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

658
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: Because they have their own thing going on, like they're

659
00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 2: each their own people. And Holly is kind of mousey

660
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 2: and quiet, and she's it's that's instilled in her from

661
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 2: a young age, even from her mom, that like, well,

662
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: some people are smart and some people are pretty. And

663
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:49,359
Speaker 2: she clearly thinks like Marina's pretty, you're smart, But that

664
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,760
Speaker 2: doesn't do justice to either one of them.

665
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, and it's I think Marina there's

666
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,839
Speaker 1: like there's a lot going on with Marina. Obviously, there's

667
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: a lot of issues there, and I think that the

668
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:12,400
Speaker 1: movie is a lot about how friends navigate men, how

669
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: women are almost like by design, by patriarchy's design, they're

670
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,240
Speaker 1: supposed to fight each other for men, and they're supposed

671
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: to be territorial, and they're supposed to find value in

672
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: their attractiveness towards men. And that is I think a

673
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: huge component of female friendships in general. And I wouldn't

674
00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: say just female friendships, but a lot of friendships where

675
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: men are desiring whoever it is, you know what I mean,

676
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 1: And it's it's it's tough because you can tell that,

677
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: I mean just throughout the movie, Like, yeah, it's just

678
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: a constant theme that comes up. And Marina is got

679
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: a lot of issues with around around men.

680
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,360
Speaker 2: And Marina was was born a bomb, like she is

681
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 2: just born a ticking time and a lot of the

682
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:04,680
Speaker 2: issues of their friendship comes through in men, but are

683
00:36:04,719 --> 00:36:08,000
Speaker 2: really about her and her brokenness and her sadness, which

684
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:09,600
Speaker 2: is why I really I like that we got to

685
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 2: see the families so much because you could see very clearly, Well,

686
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: this is the map of how they learned to love,

687
00:36:17,640 --> 00:36:20,760
Speaker 2: and their love is so needy. Both Marina and nat

688
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,279
Speaker 2: have a very needy kind of love and they make

689
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,360
Speaker 2: horrible decisions as a result as a result of that.

690
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, that she is just this movie is so

691
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,080
Speaker 2: hilarious in so many interesting ways to me, Like that

692
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:39,160
Speaker 2: scene where they are going to this party dressed in

693
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,640
Speaker 2: actual garbage bags and Marina is like, got her as

694
00:36:42,719 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: tight and belted it looks like a dress and it's

695
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 2: got a slit and Michelle White Mitchell Williams is literally

696
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 2: wearing a garbage bag. She's just wearing a sack bag.

697
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,880
Speaker 2: And this is a moment of such tenderness because it's

698
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 2: about virginity and sex, and you know, Marina is like,

699
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 2: I'm going to do everything, and for her everything includes

700
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: doing heroin in a garbage bag, and you're so right

701
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 2: about that. She is just doing the most. But then

702
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 2: Holly is like, you know what, this is great I

703
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: was gonna have. Like she has this beautiful, romantic kind

704
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: of loss of her virginity and Marinas is a disaster. Yeah,

705
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 2: but her way of dealing with it is to take

706
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,319
Speaker 2: it out on her friend and kind of take it

707
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,400
Speaker 2: out on her brother and her friend having this this closeness,

708
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 2: and it's just it's very interesting to me because I

709
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 2: think that as much as this this movie is infiltrated

710
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 2: by men, and we are going to talk about Kyle McLaughlin, yes,

711
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 2: who needs to calm all the way down in this movie,

712
00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:52,360
Speaker 2: he also had this so many, so many moments where

713
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 2: we're gonna watch a lot of movies I think, where

714
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 2: we're just gonna find a lot of classic movie fuck boys,

715
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 2: and Colin McLaughlin is one of them, I know.

716
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: And we got a classic movie fuck boy count in

717
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: this movie. Yeah, it's gonna come up aganic.

718
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: We're gonna have like like I'm just scratching into my

719
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,000
Speaker 2: wall gym style, like the slashes.

720
00:38:09,120 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: It's gonna be like fucking slashes all over it. Yeah.

721
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,800
Speaker 2: So there's there's this this real by the time that

722
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 2: men are coming into their life in a sexual way

723
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,200
Speaker 2: or in a way that's kind of you know, makes

724
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 2: them really heightens the situations of the friendship. There's already

725
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 2: so much there that they have to work on, and

726
00:38:29,560 --> 00:38:31,800
Speaker 2: it really this is again like one of those friend

727
00:38:31,880 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: or faux friendships that I don't really have too much

728
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,440
Speaker 2: relationship with Like I don't don't have a lot of

729
00:38:36,440 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 2: relationships like this. I think it's when when you have

730
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: a friendship that's built on the fear of losing one

731
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 2: another or losing yourself or not knowing yourself, that it's

732
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:49,799
Speaker 2: it just seems like this was a more it just

733
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: I guess it seemed like this is a more volatile

734
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 2: relationship than it was a good one. Like there are

735
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 2: very few moments where I'm like, they're good friends, like

736
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 2: they should definitely be friends, And then that just makes

737
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:04,720
Speaker 2: me question, are these kind of friendships that should run

738
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 2: their course and then that you're done with it? And

739
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 2: usually there are markers in life that kind of help

740
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 2: you shed those friendships, like marriage or college or moving.

741
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have had a friendship like this when I

742
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 1: was young, and when I was you know, like kind

743
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 1: of their age. It's sort of like that garbage bag period,

744
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: and you know, like I had I would say that,

745
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: I mean not to like put myself into the movie

746
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: or anything, but I was definitely the Holly character. Same

747
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: where I was, I was friends with a more kind

748
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:48,239
Speaker 1: of conventionally beautiful, like magnanimous, like kind of popular ish

749
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 1: girl who I think needed me to play a role

750
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,880
Speaker 1: in a lot of the friendship, which is unfortunate, but

751
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: it happens. I see how it happens. I think it's

752
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 1: a lot a lot of times there's people who just

753
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:08,000
Speaker 1: can can only function in very like like in relationships

754
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: where they know where they stand, because it's not fun

755
00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: to not know where you stand with your friends or whoever.

756
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:16,680
Speaker 1: And I think that in the in the movie, Marina

757
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: can count on Holly to be the one that she

758
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: can dump on and that she'll always be there. It's

759
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: like she's just sort of like I can I can

760
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:28,680
Speaker 1: make humiliate her and make her feel like shit, and

761
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: she'll never leave because we're just so tightly bonded and

762
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Speaker 1: you know, I can project all my issues onto her

763
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: and she won't budge. And you know, sometimes, especially in

764
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,960
Speaker 1: female friendships, there's like there is a competition. There is,

765
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 1: especially when you get to a certain age and like

766
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: there's guys around and it's like, you know, and I

767
00:40:46,000 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: think that was the case for me, was that it

768
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: was that like suddenly the guys entered the.

769
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 2: Picture, and then you wanted like your own experiences and

770
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:55,280
Speaker 2: you weren't able to get them.

771
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: Or no, I think it was more just sort of

772
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 1: like like, why didn't I have this like kind of

773
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:07,920
Speaker 1: cavalier attitude towards guys and dating? And why was I

774
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: being such a prude or why was I being overly

775
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: cautious about what I did? Like why why wasn't I

776
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,120
Speaker 1: doing heroin in a garbage bag?

777
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:15,279
Speaker 2: You know.

778
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 1: It's like that kind of thing where I was put

779
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 1: in that place all the time where I'm like, you know,

780
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: why do I give it a second thought? You know?

781
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,319
Speaker 1: Whereas my friend was very wild and was doing lots

782
00:41:27,320 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: of drugs and you know, you know, basically sleeping around

783
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: and was you know, like kind of like why don't

784
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: we do this together? And I'm like, because I don't

785
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: do that, you know what I mean? And I just

786
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 1: felt kind of like, yeah, I just felt kind of

787
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: like a little bit embarrassed by it from her, But

788
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 1: I also understood why she did it. She ultimately had

789
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 1: a lot of problems herself. And that's not saying that

790
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: you know, a person who does that has problems all

791
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 1: the time, but you know, just in that friendship.

792
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, well exactly. And I think that's that is what's

793
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,319
Speaker 2: fast to me, because I think in any friendship or

794
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:06,279
Speaker 2: in any relationship, if it's if it's predicated on the

795
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:10,360
Speaker 2: idea that you stay who you are, that is not

796
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: a friendship that's going to last, you know, like if

797
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 2: there's not room for growth or evolution for either part.

798
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: And the connective tissue of friendships when you're younger is

799
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 2: everything is the same. We go to the same school,

800
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 2: we know the same people, we have, everything is the same,

801
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: We're eating the same lunch. Like, it's all the same.

802
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: So if you get to a point where like you

803
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: want to do Heroin in a garbage bag and I

804
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 2: want to stay at home, and like read plays that

805
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: that is an offensive move in your youth, Like that's

806
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 2: it's an offense almost to the friendship because it's like,

807
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 2: why are we not doing all the same things all

808
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: the time? Now, I don't feel like I know you

809
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: as much, right, That's like really interesting to me that

810
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: you had that kind of friendship.

811
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:55,319
Speaker 1: So what's your take that on the Daniel character. So

812
00:42:55,400 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: Daniel is call McGlaughlin and he plays this like teacher

813
00:42:59,560 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: at their college because I guess they're in the college

814
00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 1: years now, who's this like haughty French philosophy professor or something, and.

815
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 2: Just out the Gate was like, let's let me talk,

816
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 2: let me speak about bull Riard in French, and then

817
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: make some jokes about Adam and then go get a

818
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: beer with you guys, like take it down a notch dude.

819
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:27,839
Speaker 1: That guy, the American, haughty professor, cool guy, but they

820
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 1: they both go for him. Well, let's just say this, Holly.

821
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,760
Speaker 1: You can tell it's like this guy's up my alley

822
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 1: because he's deep and sensitive and he's an intellectual and

823
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: that's my guy. Marina, though she does she want the challenge,

824
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,200
Speaker 1: does she want the attention? Like, what's your take on

825
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 1: why they both ended up sleeping with the guy? Essentially?

826
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 2: Yeah? I think I think with Marina it was really vindictive,

827
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 2: like straight up vindictive. But there's a part of her

828
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:04,480
Speaker 2: of character that feels like so hurt to me that

829
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: she knows what she's doing, but she's so selfish in

830
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: that need for love that she doesn't care that she's

831
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 2: doing it.

832
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think she Yeah, And I think that

833
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:16,680
Speaker 1: she also and this is just kind of my quick

834
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: read on it, Like she talks about how men are scumps.

835
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: She was wearing that shirt that says I hate men,

836
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 1: which I'm like, can I have that shirt. I want

837
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:28,319
Speaker 1: that shirt me too, right, and you know, and it's

838
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,240
Speaker 1: clear like throughout, like when you learn about their family,

839
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: the dad is like a total like come and go guy.

840
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,640
Speaker 1: And in her mind, I think that she is kind

841
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:41,200
Speaker 1: of trying to sell Holly on the idea that men

842
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 1: suck and that she should not be in relationships with them.

843
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: She will do every Marina will do everything she can

844
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 1: to sabotage the relationships, even the one with her brother,

845
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: mostly the one with her brother, I would say, and

846
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 1: then right to the end of where Holly is just

847
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,080
Speaker 1: gonna not ever date and then b be.

848
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: There for Marina. Yeah, that that I felt that so

849
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 2: strongly as well, that she's just there was so much

850
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 2: of her sabotage that was just built around this notion

851
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:16,280
Speaker 2: of see I told you so, yeah, and not realizing

852
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:20,280
Speaker 2: her own part in hurting Holly and the hurting her friends.

853
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:23,719
Speaker 2: So it was kind of the ultimate lesson, the ultimate example,

854
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,600
Speaker 2: but in the worst possible way and with the worst

855
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 2: possible sacrifice. And it really it's just I just love

856
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,600
Speaker 2: movies like this so much, and they also have that

857
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:37,759
Speaker 2: kind of and walking and talking had this too, Like

858
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,960
Speaker 2: I like seeing the secret language of friendship, so in

859
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 2: walking and talking where she's like, oh, I ordered for you,

860
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: like knowing your friend's order, or like in this movie

861
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,399
Speaker 2: there were so many like secret language things like we're

862
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 2: in a bath together smoking a cigarette while my parents

863
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 2: are duking it out downstairs. Like I just I love

864
00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: that kind of shit because that's the real again, like

865
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:01,839
Speaker 2: that tender connective to you of friendships, that those are

866
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 2: the parts that solidify friendships without even knowing it.

867
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:06,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, although I've never taken a bath with my friend,

868
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: have you, I've never done that?

869
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 2: Okay, am I am.

870
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: I didn't do that.

871
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 2: I don't take bath with people.

872
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,360
Speaker 1: I didn't either. I mean I was a little wild.

873
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,000
Speaker 1: I gotta admit I had some wild, wild ass friends,

874
00:46:18,040 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 1: but I never I mean I think the only time

875
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: I ever was in a bath, like a bathroom with somebody,

876
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 1: like in a shower, was when like my friend vomited

877
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: on herself and I was trying to like help her out.

878
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: But I never took like I never took a full

879
00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 1: on bath with someone, and I certainly never I certainly

880
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: never smoked a cigarette from my friend's foot.

881
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 2: Like not sober, not sober, I've never done a foot

882
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 2: cigarette sober. Oh lord, but that is like so wild

883
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 2: to me. Really, I guess, I guess when you grow

884
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:54,919
Speaker 2: up with someone and you have that closeness, like you're

885
00:46:55,080 --> 00:46:56,959
Speaker 2: not ashamed of your bod. I don't know. I learned

886
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,120
Speaker 2: body shame realy early.

887
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 1: I guess, Oh me too, girl house Catholics, so you

888
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,120
Speaker 1: know there was none of this.

889
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 2: Will I strip down now in front of anyone and everyone?

890
00:47:07,160 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: Of course, I have to check that I'm wearing pants

891
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,959
Speaker 2: when I go out and get my mail, because there's

892
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: just so much of my life right now where I'm

893
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 2: not wearing clothing, but not with my friends. I don't know,

894
00:47:16,680 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 2: I just don't have a body closeness with a lot

895
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 2: of my friends.

896
00:47:20,040 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm definitely a hugger, but I just I

897
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: never went to full on make it in sharing the

898
00:47:26,280 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: same bathwater with.

899
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: So I mean, I guess we all have room to

900
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 2: room to grow, places to go. I think I think

901
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 2: we're definitely going to revisit this category, and I think

902
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:40,799
Speaker 2: that it's I don't know, I really do movies like

903
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 2: this hit differently at this point in our lives, Like

904
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,319
Speaker 2: do you think that these are both movies that we've

905
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 2: both seen a bunch of times. But I remember feeling

906
00:47:49,880 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: like when I first saw walking and talking, I was

907
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: like a teenager basically, and I remember feeling like these

908
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 2: people like they all suck in their own way, like

909
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 2: this guy sucks, Like all these guys suck in some way,

910
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 2: except for Frank. But now I kind of feel like,

911
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 2: oh yeah, like I can see how relationships are self sabotaged,

912
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 2: and I can see how friendships are changing and evolving,

913
00:48:15,080 --> 00:48:17,439
Speaker 2: and I don't know, I just feel like I feel

914
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 2: very grateful to be at this point in my life

915
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,319
Speaker 2: and have gone through so much with so many of

916
00:48:21,360 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 2: my friends, and we've come out on the other side

917
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 2: of it. And you know, friendships with women, having friendships

918
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 2: with each other is important. I think it's really it enhances.

919
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 2: It's enhanced my life to have so many close female friendships.

920
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: Last year, for my birthday, I went to Amsterdam and

921
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: I took two of my oldest friends with me and

922
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 2: we had like we stayed on a house boat, but

923
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 2: we booked. I wanted to do a canal cruise, like

924
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 2: really badly, and these are both of my friends have

925
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 2: like families and kids, and it was like a really

926
00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 2: nice getaway for them. But a real way for us

927
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 2: to kind of connect in a very middle age style,

928
00:48:54,600 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: and so we booked ourselves, like, we booked this canal cruise.

929
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, that's gonna be so great. And we

930
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,279
Speaker 2: got on this boat and after like ten minutes, we're

931
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 2: just sitting there at the dock waiting and this guy

932
00:49:04,200 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 2: comes and he's like, oh, are you this party? Like

933
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 2: you're supposed to be on this other boat and we're like, oh, okay,

934
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,120
Speaker 2: because we thought we're gonna have like, you know, we

935
00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: booked like a wine a wine cruise. Yes, so we

936
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 2: hop on this other boat and it's like it's all couples.

937
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 2: It is all we booked inadvertently booked ourselves on a

938
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:27,399
Speaker 2: romantic cruise like sunset cruise through the Amsterdam Canals. They

939
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 2: were playing like Lady in Red. I mean it was

940
00:49:29,880 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 2: like but they had wine, they had cheese, and we

941
00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: had the best time because I'm like this our friendship

942
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:38,959
Speaker 2: is a different level of romance in a way where

943
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 2: like we are close and fun and it's just so

944
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: it was hilarious and it was just one of my

945
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:47,440
Speaker 2: favorite moments of life, where like I was just on

946
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 2: a romantic canal cruise with two of my closest friends.

947
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 1: It's so amazing.

948
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 2: And it was awesome. It was awesome, But I do

949
00:49:56,320 --> 00:49:59,800
Speaker 2: I Yeah, female friendships are hugely important and changing female

950
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 2: as we get older. I think that I'm just excited

951
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:05,719
Speaker 2: to see where it goes. Like I want to be

952
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:09,479
Speaker 2: on a porch with gray hair, like a Holly Hunter

953
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:13,440
Speaker 2: in what was that top of the lake. Yeah, like

954
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,360
Speaker 2: it's a near gray with all of my friends just

955
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,160
Speaker 2: sitting on a Porsche talk and shit, like, imagine, imagine

956
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: what it's gonna be like in like twenty thirty years.

957
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hope that the world exists in twenty to

958
00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: thirty years. But when it does, I'm definitely not dyeing

959
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: my hair. And we can all, you know, trade paperback

960
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 1: romance novels, to knock on each other's trailers and live

961
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: out in the desert. And I'm down for that.

962
00:50:40,920 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: So one thing that we are very much looking forward

963
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: to doing is fielding your questions for Millie about film programming,

964
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,399
Speaker 2: and that could take the shape of what. I've got

965
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,600
Speaker 2: a party coming up that I want to show a

966
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:57,600
Speaker 2: couple of movies. Which one should I pick to How

967
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 2: did you get into film programming? Why did you pick

968
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 2: this movie for TC. No, I'm kidding. Don't ask her

969
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,919
Speaker 2: why she picked regular movies for TC.

970
00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: Answer their question all day, don't do it.

971
00:51:07,000 --> 00:51:10,880
Speaker 2: She still gets handwritten letters from people asking her those questions. True,

972
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,840
Speaker 2: But if you want to ask and send your questions

973
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,040
Speaker 2: to I saw what you did pod at Gmail, then

974
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 2: Millie will will help you help you get your movie

975
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: fixed together with your friends and your family. Could you

976
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,120
Speaker 2: don't know? You don't know what your aunt Verna wants

977
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: to watch. People always are like, oh my god, this

978
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:30,840
Speaker 2: sex scene came on and I was so uptight, And

979
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: I'm like, my grandmother used to fall asleep watching cinemax

980
00:51:34,760 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: like porn, So it's fine, but some people don't like that.

981
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 2: Some people don't want to watch porn with their grandmother.

982
00:51:42,520 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 1: Well, listen, that shit just happened literally two nights ago

983
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: with me and my mom. We were watching some movie

984
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 1: were Kate Winslet and some hot guy Patrick something. It

985
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:57,160
Speaker 1: was like a movie where they were naked and having

986
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:00,880
Speaker 1: sex in a laundry room, and my mom did the

987
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: whole thing where she went, what is this?

988
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:05,080
Speaker 2: What this is?

989
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: What is desporno? Like? What is this? And I was

990
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: literally looking at my phone pretending to not be in

991
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,839
Speaker 1: the situation because I was like, I don't even Oh

992
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,840
Speaker 1: my god, I'm like from the two years old, and

993
00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 1: I'm having the same thing happened to me as I mean,

994
00:52:19,320 --> 00:52:20,879
Speaker 1: I was just like looking at my phone going like,

995
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,520
Speaker 1: what what are you talking about? I'm looking at Twitter.

996
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:27,560
Speaker 2: I'm only listening to the movie. That's how we would

997
00:52:27,600 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: consume movies as you listen to them. Oh, that is

998
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: the best. Milly will help you with all of your

999
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:37,160
Speaker 2: film programming needs and questions. So send us an email

1000
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,439
Speaker 2: and we've got we've got one now that we can

1001
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 2: can read for you, and that MILLI can help you with.

1002
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think our producer Lauren is going to come

1003
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 1: on and maybe, uh, grab something from the mail bag.

1004
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 4: Okay, my question for you that I'm totally pulling from

1005
00:52:56,640 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 4: a mail bag right now is I like horror movies,

1006
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 4: but I would also like to find something to watch

1007
00:53:04,239 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 4: with my mother, who does not like horror movies. Do

1008
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,440
Speaker 4: you have any ideas?

1009
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 1: Okay, hmmm, why you want to scare your mama? So,

1010
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:21,759
Speaker 1: I mean, why don't we just like talk to your

1011
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: grandma again. She can just tell you why you should

1012
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:24,759
Speaker 1: be watching horror movies.

1013
00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:26,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will give you. I will give your mom

1014
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,560
Speaker 2: my Grandma's number, and she will have a list for

1015
00:53:28,600 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 2: her by the end of the week.

1016
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, here's what I have to say. I think that

1017
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: when it comes down to mom's maybe in particular, I

1018
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: think that they are verse to like gore and you know,

1019
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,040
Speaker 1: like the slasher element to some horror. I think if

1020
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: you take it down and notch and just go the

1021
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: thriller route, if you went like psychological thriller, I think

1022
00:53:56,520 --> 00:54:00,239
Speaker 1: that's a good meeting point because it's scary, but it's

1023
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: not bloody normally unless you're watching like some crazy you know,

1024
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,160
Speaker 1: the genre mash up thing. But if you take it

1025
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 1: to like a thriller level, I think that that's the

1026
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: good meeting point. And I don't know how old your

1027
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: moms are. I don't know if they're into older movies,

1028
00:54:22,120 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: I would maybe go the Hitchcock route if they're into

1029
00:54:27,120 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: If they're a little older, maybe a Hitchcock like, you know,

1030
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 1: maybe something with carry Grant he seems to wrastle the

1031
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:38,320
Speaker 1: moms a little bit. Or if they're a little younger,

1032
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:40,040
Speaker 1: if they're like, you know, my.

1033
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:46,279
Speaker 3: Age or something, which is entirely possible, I would go

1034
00:54:46,360 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 3: for like a seventies or eighties maybe even eighties or

1035
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 3: early even early nineties.

1036
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: Like like a copycat or a Sleeping with the Enemy

1037
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: starring Julia Roberts, like something like that. At that I

1038
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:05,959
Speaker 1: think is like a good medium. It's like scary and

1039
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:11,040
Speaker 1: not super duper violent, and you know, I think that's

1040
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 1: a good a good angle. That would be the good

1041
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,320
Speaker 1: meeting point, good thriller about like either like a prank

1042
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: phone call or some kind of devious husband or uh yeah,

1043
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:28,920
Speaker 1: like a like a stalker maybe but a sexy stalker

1044
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 1: maybe like a Brian de Palma. Maybe a little too

1045
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 1: much for your mom, but you know, something like that.

1046
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: That's my suggestion for you and your mom.

1047
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,560
Speaker 2: I'm not a film programmer, but you know what I'm

1048
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 2: going to suggest what Ernest. Ernest goes to camp.

1049
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:49,360
Speaker 1: There are terrifying elements to Ernest ghost Camp. Those teeth

1050
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: first and foremost. Yeah, like that's that camera. That cinematic

1051
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 1: universe has moments that are just bone chilling in so.

1052
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 2: Oh, that was awesome. I can't wait to get more

1053
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:06,120
Speaker 2: questions from Milly. I saw what you did pod at

1054
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 2: gmail dot com, and that's it. Do we want to

1055
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,960
Speaker 2: give them. Do you want to give them the movies

1056
00:56:11,960 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 2: for next week but not tell them the theme and

1057
00:56:13,800 --> 00:56:16,320
Speaker 2: let them guess. Why don't you guess? Why don't you

1058
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: hit us up on our Instagram, on our Twitter and

1059
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:21,719
Speaker 2: tell us what you think the theme is going to

1060
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 2: be based on the movies we're going to give you.

1061
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, so our Twitter is I saw pod. I is

1062
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: the letter I saw POD, and I believe that's the

1063
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: Instagram too, right, it is indeed? Okay? And then our

1064
00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:37,200
Speaker 1: email address again if you wouldn't mind.

1065
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:40,360
Speaker 2: I saw what you did pod at gmail dot com.

1066
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,960
Speaker 1: So the movies for next week are Robert Altman's Three

1067
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: Women from nineteen seventy seven and Clute from nineteen seventy one,

1068
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,360
Speaker 1: directed by Alan Jpecula.

1069
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 2: Awesome. Well, I cannot wait to tell you guys the theme,

1070
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 2: but let's see if you can guess it first and

1071
00:56:58,360 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 2: watch these awesome movies.

1072
00:57:00,280 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: And thank you Danielle for coming with your movie this week.

1073
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,280
Speaker 1: It was so great to watch that again.

1074
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,080
Speaker 2: I have such a great time watching Walking and Talking again,

1075
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Speaker 2: and it really it made me feel good in a

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