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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Big Blue Kickoff Live right

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Speaker 1: here on Giants dot Com, presented by Core's Light. I

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Speaker 1: am John Schmalki is Lance Meat on the phone numbers

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Speaker 1: You can a lot to talk about today on Big

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Speaker 1: Blue Kickoff Live. And boy, most of you've have to

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Speaker 1: talk about probably since the end of the regular season,

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Speaker 1: with everything that went down in the last couple of days.

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Speaker 1: So the reason we started late first and foremost that

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Speaker 1: Dave Gettleman addressed the media, So that went on for

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Speaker 1: about twenty minutes of just more like a half an hour.

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Speaker 1: Actually it just ended. So we'll talk about what Dave

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Speaker 1: spoke about. And we also have, of course all the

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Speaker 1: injury news that has broken over the past few days

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Speaker 1: and all focusing, unfortunately for the Giants on one specific position,

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Speaker 1: which is kind of how it goes in waves. So Lance,

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Speaker 1: let's start the wide receiver stuff first. So we learned

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Speaker 1: that Darius Slayton tweaked his hamstring. There's no timetable on him. Uh,

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Speaker 1: the sense that from Pat Schremer's that they don't really

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Speaker 1: wait and see. I wouldn't try to put a number

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Speaker 1: on that. Stolen Shepard and Pat Chremer spoke today. He

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Speaker 1: is a fractured thumb. Now. They thumb's gonna be tricky now,

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Speaker 1: but they specified that it's just kind of the tip

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Speaker 1: a few weeks for that. And Pat immers seem to

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Speaker 1: Even so, that's really good news. And then today out

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Speaker 1: of nowhere, the Giants announced that Corey Coleman their acquisition

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Speaker 1: last year from the Patriots. I think that was the

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Speaker 1: last team he was on before he came here. Um,

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Speaker 1: and played through it, believe it or not. So he's

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Speaker 1: gonna be lost for the season. So Lance, usually you know,

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Speaker 1: these things going waves a little bit, it hits all

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Speaker 1: John because I mean personally, I had high hopes for

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Speaker 1: him this season. I thought there was a great opportunity

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Speaker 1: disappointing year. High that is at the top of the list.

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Speaker 1: Of course, guys that I get behind don't have a

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Speaker 1: You know it all serious is though, Eli Manning. This

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Speaker 1: goes back to what he talked about in the spring, John,

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Speaker 1: that Corey Coleman the fact that he's been here for

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Speaker 1: an entire off season. He was not here for an

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Speaker 1: entire off season last year. To your point, he was

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Speaker 1: at this stage, hey, he knew what he was doing,

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Speaker 1: not just as a wide receiver. John also as a

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Speaker 1: that now Unfortunately, he's got a very tough road to recovery,

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Speaker 1: and it means an opportunity for somebody else. What I

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Speaker 1: a wonderful job in the off season studying, learning the playbook,

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Speaker 1: just Tate's hold demeanor, he he was very very he

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Speaker 1: was down. Absolutely. He said that he faced tied him

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Speaker 1: which is another indication. It's one of those tricky injuries

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Speaker 1: because how many times have we seen a guy non

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Speaker 1: You don't know that you know you can walk with

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Speaker 1: so you don't It's unfortunate, but that's kind of where

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Speaker 1: the point I wanted to make it, Darius Sladen. You

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Speaker 1: Then later on during the media session, Sladen actually spoke

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Speaker 1: one of the questions John that was posted to Darius

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Speaker 1: It seems like the injury, but get striking across the board.

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Speaker 1: Corey Coleman's injury is serious, but he's really the only

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Speaker 1: Pat Sherman, when he spoke to the media, you know,

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Speaker 1: news because the Giants need Sterling Shepherd. Look, they need Shepherd,

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Speaker 1: Let's go on to Dave Gettleman here. He talked about

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Speaker 1: It's because of all the work they did to to

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Speaker 1: he emphasized. He said that this is Pat Shermer's decision,

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Speaker 1: not Daniel Jones, on the entire roster. He used the

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Speaker 1: So Dave Gentleman said, but when you see Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: work ethic, the upside. They're seeing that as far as

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Speaker 1: And it's not that they're looking so much on John

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Speaker 1: to go buy. It's more like the Green Bay Packers

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Speaker 1: what they did when they didn't transaction training part and

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Speaker 1: ro he sent for two years to line the system.

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Speaker 1: And my time he got back in with Tommy, he

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Speaker 1: was able to go in boom. That's all you needed. Well, John,

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Speaker 1: let me say this, I hope that whenever Daniel Jones

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Speaker 1: does happen to take over, I hope he is treated

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Speaker 1: with the same patients. And by the way, it's the

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Speaker 1: correct patients that Sam Donald was given. Last year with

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Speaker 1: the Jet. Sam Donald did not have a good rookie year.

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Speaker 1: He struggled. But your rookie quarterback. Almost all rookie quarterbacks,

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Speaker 1: and there are exceptions, like a Baker Mayfield, they struggle

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Speaker 1: in their first year, and that's okay. You want Manning

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Speaker 1: was horrible that first year he played. He was stunk.

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Speaker 1: He stunk up the joint the first year he played

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Speaker 1: for the Giants. That's okay. So I just hope that

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Speaker 1: whenever Daniel Jones does take over, fans are a little

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Speaker 1: bit patient with him and don't try to just you know,

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Speaker 1: go with the I told you so. It was a

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Speaker 1: bad pixie stinks after he plays one game and might

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Speaker 1: not have a great game. And there's tons of models,

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Speaker 1: by the way, to appreciate the phone call. When it

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Speaker 1: comes to the transition of quarterbacks. The Cola throughout Green Bay,

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Speaker 1: Kansas City. Also the Chargers Philip Rivers Andy my Manning

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Speaker 1: always tied together because of the trade. Philip Rivers sat

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Speaker 1: two years behind Drew Brees before he even took over.

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Speaker 1: So it's not one team. It's not rare. That's actually

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Speaker 1: been followed a few times over the course of NFL history.

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Speaker 1: And with respect to you know, how Daniel Jones is

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Speaker 1: gonna be viewed and treated, I agree with you if

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Speaker 1: he does struggle when he initially takes over, which is yes,

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Speaker 1: have ups and downs, but taking a step further. Listen,

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Speaker 1: any player at any position, they're going to be judge

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Speaker 1: based on what they do on the field. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we could sit here every single show and speculate all

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Speaker 1: you want about what he's gonna do, how he's gonna produce,

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Speaker 1: You produce if you're an athlete, on any stage in

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Speaker 1: any sport, you earn the respect to fans. So at

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Speaker 1: the end of the day, Daniel Jones goes out there,

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Speaker 1: he produces an individual, he helps the team win, then

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Speaker 1: the fans are gonna be behind him. And that's no

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Speaker 1: different than to me any other player that we've seen

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Speaker 1: in the New York market or elsewhere who's played in

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Speaker 1: a major market, and if they produced, no one will

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Speaker 1: care where they got selected in the draft. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I we sat here for two or three years. I

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Speaker 1: wasn't here, but when I was working at f A

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Speaker 1: N we got phone calls all the time about people

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Speaker 1: complain the Giants gave up too much in the trade

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Speaker 1: off for men. They gave up to this pick, this pick,

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Speaker 1: that player turned to this player. You know, Show Merriman,

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Speaker 1: Nick Kating, and how could you do it? It's a

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Speaker 1: bad trade guy. So once ELI won the Super Bowl,

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Speaker 1: people I got that was fine. It was great. It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: Great trade guys. It's all about convenience. What have you

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Speaker 1: done for me? Let's go to Don in Tennessee. He's

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Speaker 1: up next on Big Blue Kickoff Live presented by Corp's Light.

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Speaker 1: Hey Don, Hey, guys, how are you today, what's um?

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not worried about the offense. The offense

488
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Speaker 1: played decently in the second half last year, and you

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Speaker 1: brought in some specialists head for the line, so the

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Speaker 1: line offense to me, is not going to be the problem. However,

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Speaker 1: in yesterday's conversation Lance you you may remember this, uh

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Speaker 1: somebody as you and Paul about Schermer's future. My concern

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Speaker 1: is a those rookies in the backfield and be um,

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Speaker 1: what is what is the future for Betcher? Because if

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Speaker 1: the Giants have another bad year on defense, it seems

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Speaker 1: they've lost games at the last man, do you think

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Speaker 1: they're going to make a switch out from Betcher? Well,

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Speaker 1: first of all, I just want clarification down. You said

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Speaker 1: rookies out of the backfield? What are you talking about?

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Speaker 1: You can defense? I'm sorry because this year will probably

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Speaker 1: be in playing in the secondary executive gotcha. I just

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Speaker 1: when I hear backfield, I sometimes think running back. That's why, well,

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Speaker 1: that's why. That's for clarification. Could completely understand where you're going. Well,

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Speaker 1: with respect to James Betcher, let's start there. Don I

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Speaker 1: think what you have to understand is year one was

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Speaker 1: a huge transition he was springing in his new scheme.

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Speaker 1: He didn't necessarily have a lot of players that knew

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Speaker 1: what he was running. They also had, you know, players

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Speaker 1: that were traded away mid season. It was a fluid

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Speaker 1: year for James Betcher. I think now he's got an

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Speaker 1: entire off season under his belt where the core of

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Speaker 1: returning guys are familiar with the system. They also brought

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Speaker 1: in some guys that were with him in Arizona, like

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Speaker 1: Antoine Bithet, Marcus Golden to Marcas Golden certainly, and you

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Speaker 1: added that to a few guys that were ready here.

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Speaker 1: So Olson Pierre as well, by the way, should bring

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Speaker 1: him up defensive lineman. So I think that's encouraging. But

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Speaker 1: I don't view James Betcher being under pressure that, oh

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Speaker 1: my god, they have to have an unbelievable one eighty

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Speaker 1: performance this season. I think Dave Gentelman, I think Pat Shermer.

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Speaker 1: They realize it's still a defense that's in transition. And

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Speaker 1: you know, going back to what we were talking about

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Speaker 1: with Daniel Jones and any of you are the rookie,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be ups and downs, and if you're gonna

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Speaker 1: rely on a young secondary, which gets to your second point,

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Speaker 1: then I think that further provides a little bit leeway that, hey, yes,

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Speaker 1: there may be more comfort across the board, but you're

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Speaker 1: also relying on DeAndre Baker, Julian Love, even Grant Haley,

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Speaker 1: who is still a relatively young player, and Sam Beale

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Speaker 1: who are going to have good games, but they're also

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Speaker 1: gonna have games where maybe there's a miss the signmon

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Speaker 1: or a misplay. So I don't see pressure overwhelmingly on

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Speaker 1: James Betterer. As far as you're concerned about the young secondary,

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Speaker 1: you know it goes back to you hope that the

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Speaker 1: veteran safety's I think, help these young corners come along.

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Speaker 1: And I think the good news of the Giants is

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Speaker 1: Antoine Bethet has played with a lot of different personnel

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Speaker 1: during the course of his career. Antoine Bethet also is

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Speaker 1: going into his fifth straight season where he's had a

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Speaker 1: different defensive coordinator, so I think that puts things in

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Speaker 1: perspective too. And Jabrill Peppers, as young as he is,

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Speaker 1: he still has at least have some experience out on

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Speaker 1: the field in different settings. So you're gonna rely on

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Speaker 1: if you're James Betcher, the safety setting the tone for

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Speaker 1: the back end and hoping that they bring the corners along.

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Speaker 1: I think if any pressure is on anybody in the defense,

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Speaker 1: to me, it's on Antoine Bethey and Jabrill Peppers because

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Speaker 1: they have a lot more experience than the guys playing

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Speaker 1: around them. I got I got one more quick question

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Speaker 1: for you guys, and I'll take it off the year

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Speaker 1: because I know you're you have a short show today. Um,

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Speaker 1: Lawrence in the defensive line, he looks like he looks

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Speaker 1: real big in me, and I've seen the video of

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Speaker 1: him in practice. He looks like he's real uh active

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Speaker 1: in there. Um, he will do a job, let's say,

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Speaker 1: as good as Snacks did, or will be a step down,

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Speaker 1: or uh fish will be the same level. I appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: don thanks for the call. I think he'll be a

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Speaker 1: little bit of a different player than Snacks. I think

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Speaker 1: he will not be as good of a run stuff

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Speaker 1: or only beca Snacks is literally maybe the best run

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Speaker 1: stopping defensive tackle in the league. I think saying he's

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Speaker 1: going to be that good right off the bat is

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Speaker 1: probably being a little you know, optimistic for lack of

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Speaker 1: a better term. So but I think it'll be a

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Speaker 1: better pass rusher. I think he's more athletic. I think

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Speaker 1: he's quicker. I think he'll do a better job getting

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Speaker 1: to the quarterback. So that's where I think it will

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Speaker 1: be a little bit different. So I think he'll be

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Speaker 1: a different player. Again, I think he's not necessarily playing

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Speaker 1: a nose tackle all the time either. I think we'll

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Speaker 1: do we see Dalvet in those tackles sometimes. Then you'll see,

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Speaker 1: you know, Lauren's playing that three or four defensive and spot.

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Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see that at times this year too.

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Speaker 1: We sort of practice already. So I think they're different players.

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Speaker 1: I understand why you would make the comparison, but I

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Speaker 1: do think Lawrence is going to be a different type

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Speaker 1: of players. Frankly was drafted to be a different type

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Speaker 1: of player than what Harrison was. They would not have

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Speaker 1: drafted him at seventeen if they didn't think he was

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Speaker 1: gonna provide pass rush. And they do think that there's

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Speaker 1: upside there. I mean, they indicated that immediately after they

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Speaker 1: drafted him. And you know the other thing with Lawrence is,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure when people hear that John They're gonna look

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Speaker 1: at his college statistics. They're going to say, well, you know,

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Speaker 1: where are they seeing that? Keep in mind he did

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Speaker 1: deal with a foot injury, leg injury for you know,

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Speaker 1: a good portion of his college career, which is not

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Speaker 1: an excuse, but the fact that you're not fully one,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to take away some of that

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Speaker 1: some of that juice in you in terms of getting

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Speaker 1: after the quarterback to a one nine three, nine four

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Speaker 1: or five on three. Got a couple of open lines

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Speaker 1: off you folks want to get in. We could take

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Speaker 1: your calls, but for now, let's go to a line

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Speaker 1: to Lennon, Columbia, Maryland. What's up lending? Hey, guys, how

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Speaker 1: you doing doing great? Hey? Coup a couple of things

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Speaker 1: on on Dave's press conference here today. Um, you know,

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Speaker 1: trust it's expensive. You know it's expensive. Trust these guys.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think you have a choice. Though

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Speaker 1: Lenny has the job right, he's not going, but I

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Speaker 1: mean just kind of pass it off as trust us.

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Speaker 1: Trust the resume. I mean, come on, there were other

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Speaker 1: guys that I legal got a resume just like these

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Speaker 1: two guys, Sherman and Dave. I mean, I'm I'm not

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Speaker 1: knocking their capability to see then when I say that,

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Speaker 1: but I don't don't listen. I mean, come on, let's

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Speaker 1: not hold these resumes up and say these are the

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Speaker 1: two greatest resumes in the world. I hear you, particularly

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Speaker 1: when you look at the head coach. So I just

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Speaker 1: want to temper that's I just want to temper Dave's comments.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, trust me, you know, trust us,

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Speaker 1: quick quick, real quicknoon. It's gonna cost me some money.

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Speaker 1: Uh and and I'm doing that at a trust. Come on,

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Speaker 1: show me some wins, so I feel good about buying

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Speaker 1: hold on. They've been here for one year. They've been

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Speaker 1: here for one year. That's the point. It's so early

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Speaker 1: in the process. They're going to have to show results.

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Speaker 1: But until you get until you get on the field

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Speaker 1: and start playing games, there's really nothing else they can

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Speaker 1: say but that, you know what I mean? Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's one of the things I would I would say

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Speaker 1: back to Dave. And then I want to move on

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Speaker 1: to something positive. Although this really isn't negative. And this

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Speaker 1: is kind of a an idea that I've had and

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Speaker 1: I've carried toward for a number of years. In the

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Speaker 1: modern NFL, guys, if you can't do it in three

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Speaker 1: three being get into the playoffs, you can't do it

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Speaker 1: you can't do it, whether you're a coach or a

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Speaker 1: general manager. It's it's too much parody, too much parody. Listen,

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Speaker 1: let me give him some credit. One of the things

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Speaker 1: I think Dave has done that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: are not talking about, and he really should get a

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Speaker 1: lot of credit. He's spending a lot of time right

635
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Speaker 1: size in the cap situation, and I think in the

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Speaker 1: long run, that's really going to help us. Of course,

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Speaker 1: it doesn't really happen. We don't have it right size

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00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,040
Speaker 1: until we set a list quarterback situation. I mean, we're

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Speaker 1: going to pay those two quarterbacks even though even though

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Speaker 1: it may not affect, we're going to pay them a

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Speaker 1: lot of money. I'm sorry, go ahead, contracts up after

642
00:28:57,400 --> 00:28:59,720
Speaker 1: the year. Yeah, and Daniel Jones is on a rookie contract.

643
00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: So it's so it's it's gonna it's not really gonna happen.

644
00:29:05,560 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 1: We're not going to be in the position that everybody

645
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: wants to be, including Dave, until that quarterback situation gets settled.

646
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 1: But I don't but let hold on, let a great job.

647
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: Let hold on. Before you move on, let's clarify that

648
00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: last statement, because I have no idea what you're alluding

649
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:26,080
Speaker 1: to when you say unsettling and you're bringing in money.

650
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: We we just said Eli Manning is on the books

651
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 1: just through this season. Beyond that is the land of

652
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: the unknown. There's no financial commitment for him, and Daniel

653
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: Jones is on a rookie contract. So when when you

654
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: say that has to be settled before they have a

655
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:42,160
Speaker 1: clear path financially, I don't understand how those two things

656
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:45,360
Speaker 1: are synonymous with one another. There is no financial burden

657
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: on the quarterback position right now as it currently stands

658
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,880
Speaker 1: starting next year. Yeah, you mean in terms of the

659
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: cap or just in terms of in terms in terms

660
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: of the count, in terms of plants. They just guaranteed

661
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: this pis bonus. He's a signing bonus for the guy

662
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 1: gave him the money. That's one year. We just said

663
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 1: he's on the books through two thousand nineteen. You can't

664
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 1: tell me anything about two thousand twenty or beyond until

665
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: a contract. Yeah, let me see if I can say

666
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: something that you will agree with about the send a

667
00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,360
Speaker 1: cap because I meant this to be positive and you're

668
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 1: taking it negatively. Well, I'm not taking the negative. I

669
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: just want to clarify you till one of those until

670
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 1: e life salary. And I hate to say it because

671
00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: you know how much I like you. Until that towery

672
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: is off the books. We've we've got a burden you

673
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: with the cap. Yeah, but that's our point. It's off

674
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: the books after this year. You're making it sound like

675
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 1: it's a six year commitment. Yeah, it's this year. That's

676
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: it's it's one season. Hey, listen, give me, give me, listen,

677
00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: give me some credits for saying that he's right sizing

678
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: this cap. But I don't think we can complete this

679
00:30:48,560 --> 00:30:51,240
Speaker 1: until that contract is off the books, Okay, and then

680
00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 1: we will be and when next off season it will

681
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:57,240
Speaker 1: be yeah, yeah, okay, good, good and again great Hey,

682
00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: when it comes to that aspect of the job, he's

683
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 1: doing a great job. And I'm hoping with regard to

684
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 1: the transition. Look, you guys, Dave can say all he

685
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:12,480
Speaker 1: wants about its Sherman's decision. I don't believe that for

686
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: a minute. Come on, guys, I don't believe that for

687
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: a minute that he's not he's not going to be

688
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:23,239
Speaker 1: in on the how, the when, the where and the

689
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: why decision. We we we literally said that. As Dave said,

690
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: they talk every day and they will speak about that

691
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: every day, but ultimately it is Pat's decision. But will

692
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: there be a conversation, will there be coordination, will there

693
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 1: be strategy spoken between the two? Absolutely, But in the end,

694
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: who starts is a decision to the head coach. I mean,

695
00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: we're not naive. Length. I agree with you. Of course

696
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 1: there's going to be back in forthm How could a

697
00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: GM not talk to his coach about the direction of

698
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: the team and not include the quarterback. It's just that

699
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,959
Speaker 1: when it comes to you know, week one, week two,

700
00:31:55,080 --> 00:31:57,840
Speaker 1: specifically this season, I don't think Dave Geentlemans picking up

701
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: the phone during a game and telling Pat put him

702
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: in the third quarter. Yeah, that's that's where I don't think. Well,

703
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll see that, but I don't think Pat.

704
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't think Pat's gonna make this decision from one

705
00:32:08,920 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: week to the next without getting approval Well the the left,

706
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 1: I agree, there's no way Pat Summer is going to

707
00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: go do a press conference say Daniel Jones is starting

708
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 1: without telling Dave David were running it. That is that

709
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,480
Speaker 1: is not going to happen. We agree, as as I

710
00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: have probably just proved this. This decision about the transition

711
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,000
Speaker 1: is probably going to be the most debated, over analyzed,

712
00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: emotional decision on a on a personnel move in the

713
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: history of the NFL. It's gonna be there's gonna be

714
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,960
Speaker 1: way too much attention paid to it. But it's already

715
00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: too much just the nature of it. That's the way

716
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,880
Speaker 1: it is, the way it is. And so it begins

717
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: with the injuries. I'm sorry to hear that, but hey,

718
00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: we we got uh you know, five weeks to the

719
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: start of the season, six weeks, five and a half

720
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: weeks at the starter of the season, and hopefully Sheppard

721
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 1: comes back, and you know, you know, we make some

722
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,960
Speaker 1: strides and and we move forward, I hope. So I

723
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: think it's a better it's a better team. Let me

724
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 1: let me say one other thing. It's easy to say

725
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,959
Speaker 1: we've moved on, but does that make us better or worse?

726
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:16,640
Speaker 1: Well we'll find out. You know. The answer to the

727
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: Beckham question was, well, we've moved on, Well did it?

728
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:23,120
Speaker 1: Did it make us better? But you're not. Then He's

729
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: answered questions about the Beckham trade for six months. He's

730
00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:28,600
Speaker 1: why why go back and rehash it now? Just to

731
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: create another back and forth and another controversy. That was

732
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: the exact right thing you should have said, Well do

733
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: you think do you do you think Pat's thinking that

734
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 1: did this makes us better or not? Well? Long term,

735
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: they believe this makes the Giants a better team. Yes,

736
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,280
Speaker 1: why would you? Why would you make a trade, len

737
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: if you don't think it would help your team in

738
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 1: some capacity. However, you want to sit here an interpinent.

739
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:53,640
Speaker 1: We think this trade screws us. Let's do it in

740
00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: the right mind a trade. Let me, let me, let

741
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,080
Speaker 1: me say this. I don't think it helped us well,

742
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 1: and you're entitled to your opinion, but of course it's

743
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: on the record. We're marking it down. Here we go,

744
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 1: July m you said you didn't think this trade was

745
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: gonna make you better. We we we got you. But

746
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: the point is you're not gonna know until the results

747
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 1: come to the forefront over the next few seasons. But

748
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,080
Speaker 1: the point is we're looking at it. We're analyzing the

749
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 1: press conference right now. That's all that could be analyzed

750
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:27,480
Speaker 1: in terms of the words through the media. Dave Gettleman,

751
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: it would be a waste and exhaustion of his energy

752
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: to revisit and over analyze a trade that occurred months ago.

753
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 1: How could it help the giants by doing that, It's

754
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 1: not gonna help their roster. Pat Shermer shot his head

755
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,879
Speaker 1: the podium. No, he's got to deal with now, Corey

756
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: Coleman dealing with the torn a c L. Do you

757
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 1: think now he wants to revisit a g Q article

758
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:47,400
Speaker 1: every single day? Did we treat him the right way?

759
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Did we not treat him the right way? The bottom

760
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:50,799
Speaker 1: line is they have to move on and in order

761
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:52,920
Speaker 1: to get better, to your point, Land, they've got to

762
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,359
Speaker 1: groom this receiving corps and get them to produce consistently.

763
00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: So that's where the energy should be focused on. But

764
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: as far as did it benefit them in the long term, yes,

765
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,760
Speaker 1: when they made the move, that's what they believed. Time

766
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: will tell, though, it's a results oriented business, and until

767
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,880
Speaker 1: we see what goes on on the field over the

768
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: next few seasons, it's all pure speculation. At this point,

769
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: we will find out. We'll find out the same we'll

770
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: find out about Daniel Jones and every other movie day

771
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,719
Speaker 1: Gentleman's made. We are going to find out. But that

772
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 1: goes back to the patients thing. You just to wait

773
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: and you have to see you can't make decisions after

774
00:35:25,600 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: one year. I understand the concerns, and Dave Gentleman was

775
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: very clear when he was asked about the fans consers

776
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:31,799
Speaker 1: that he understands him too. He gets it, and he

777
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: appreciates the fans and their passion. He loves them. But

778
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: you can't make these decisions before you get on the

779
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: field and play a game, before you see who they

780
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: took with the number six pick in the draft. You

781
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: just can't make those decisions. You don't have enough information.

782
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 1: All right, that was the appetizer, and here's Lance's full meal.

783
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:53,719
Speaker 1: It's Charlie important the main Hi, Charlie heading in the

784
00:35:53,800 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: right direction today, give him a break? What joy? Look,

785
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: I just didn't understand this point about Eli because it's like,

786
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: until we solve the contract pomp, it's solved. And Charlie,

787
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: the eel is one year left and it's gone after

788
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: this year, so there isn't anything to stress about. And

789
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:14,920
Speaker 1: usually we gotta make sense of your phone call. You

790
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: should be relieved that we actually turned our attention to

791
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,799
Speaker 1: somebody else on today's program. Who are you to now

792
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 1: tell us that we should take it easy on somebody.

793
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,680
Speaker 1: Let's hear what you have to offer. On today's program. Well,

794
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: that's good. I'm glad. I'm glad you understand what Lenn

795
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: went through on today's show. Let's let's hear what you

796
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: have to offer us here? All right, here we go. Hey,

797
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,360
Speaker 1: I I what I've been saying is this is the

798
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: O'Dell curse. Remember the curse of the Bambino. Well, now

799
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 1: we got the curse of Odell. What about the curse

800
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: of the billy Goat? You're not gonna throw that in?

801
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: What about the curse of the billy Goat? Why do

802
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: you have to go with the bambino? There's the billy goat? Well, okay,

803
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 1: you go. You got four four wide receivers, has already

804
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,720
Speaker 1: already gone down. Now we've done. Who's gonna be next?

805
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: That's what That's what I got to say. But let

806
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: me say that we got some wide he was out

807
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,400
Speaker 1: there veterans that we can bring in. Okay, I'll just

808
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:07,279
Speaker 1: name you a few. Hold on, does will Beati play

809
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: wide receiver? Could you confer with him? Does he doesn't?

810
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: That's disappointing, but anyway, go ahead. Yeah, but you've got

811
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:16,400
Speaker 1: Dez Bryant, you get Karence Williams, you've got Michael Crabtree.

812
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta Keen Knicks. You've got Roger Lewis

813
00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 1: who played with us, who knows Eli. And you've got

814
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 1: of course that they luke us out there. So you've

815
00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: got some veterans, I mean, crab you know there's a

816
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,719
Speaker 1: few other former Giants wide receivers that you failed to

817
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 1: mention too. You know, our our show's patron, Saint Ramsey's

818
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:48,239
Speaker 1: Barton is still out there too. I'm done with him, actually, Washington,

819
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: that's no, we forgot about him, that's right. But I

820
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: think I think I think he's productive. He was productive

821
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,560
Speaker 1: last year was with Baltimore. That's right up. No, I

822
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 1: said with Baltimore, I agree with you think. I think

823
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:07,480
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair person to take a look at. Charlie.

824
00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 1: We we we don't disagree there. And that day that

825
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: only Land said, he said they are going to bring

826
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:13,680
Speaker 1: some veteran wide receivers. Whether he's gonna be one of

827
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: them will say, but that is certainly a name I

828
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 1: would lay low on. Des Brian. That's just me. Yeah, well,

829
00:38:19,160 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: I would just love des Brian because you know he

830
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: would love to go against the Cowboys. At least he

831
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:27,080
Speaker 1: had played two games that he would be great in.

832
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 1: You know, I would just bring him in for those

833
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,279
Speaker 1: two games. Well, but remember the other thing that I'm

834
00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:34,759
Speaker 1: gonna emphasize again as I started off the show with,

835
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 1: whoever they bring in is far from being guaranteed a

836
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 1: roster's spot. Also keep him on, Charlie. So so even

837
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:42,480
Speaker 1: if you bring in a guy, you're bringing in a

838
00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,840
Speaker 1: guy with the anticipation he's gonna fill one of the

839
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: five or six spots that goes to a wide receiver.

840
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: At this point, like Dave Gettleman indicated, they need bodies

841
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,520
Speaker 1: for the sake of practice, and then those guys can

842
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,239
Speaker 1: showcase what they're worth is on the team. But that

843
00:38:56,280 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: doesn't mean just because they bring in a wide receiver

844
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,080
Speaker 1: tomorrow that that means all of a sudden, like is

845
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: gonna make the fifty. I will say this though, whoever

846
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,840
Speaker 1: they bring in I believe will have if it's a

847
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: veteran like this, this is an example. I'm not saying

848
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 1: this is the name they're bringing in a guy like

849
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: Michael Kratchy, for example, do I think he would have

850
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,520
Speaker 1: a legitimate shot compete for the third wide receiver spot.

851
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: Abo and I agree with you there. I'm just saying

852
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: that it should just be guaranteed. You know, Coleman was

853
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of plugged in there, so I think they need

854
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: to look forward. Third, well, Cody Latimer, I think he's

855
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 1: going to get a shot in fairness, Okay, Cody Latimer,

856
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 1: who was hurt last year. I think he's gonna be

857
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 1: given a chance now. Russell Shephard, I know is viewed

858
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 1: as a special teamer, but he also proved that he

859
00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 1: could be a wide receiver and Dave Gentleman saw that

860
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: firsthand when he was in Carolina. So you know, there

861
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 1: are some veterans still on this roster that have an

862
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 1: opportunity to compete for those spots. Hey, and you know

863
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 1: who else is out there for a pass rusher is

864
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:54,319
Speaker 1: Mohammed Wilkinson is still available. He's twenty nine years old.

865
00:39:54,520 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: He's a defensive end in the three floor. He would

866
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: give us a really great pass rush. Who would you

867
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: like him to take? Who? Wh would you like to

868
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 1: him to take? Snaps away from Lawrence, Tomlinson or Hill.

869
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: I think you need four for a good rotation. I

870
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:09,520
Speaker 1: think you need four. And if he if he can

871
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: beat out Thomlinson's you you do if you're running a

872
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: four three, you don't know if you run in the

873
00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: three four, well, no, wilcomesonfore no No. But my point

874
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 1: though is that you don't need that large Remember your

875
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: outside landbackers become Remember your outside linebackers become defensive ends

876
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: when you go to the sub package. And you're in

877
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,760
Speaker 1: sub package seventy of the time these days anyway. So frankly,

878
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:39,879
Speaker 1: Tomlinson is a pass rusher, could utilize him. Well, he's

879
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 1: got versatility. I don't necessarily disagree with you. I appreciate

880
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,560
Speaker 1: think and Charlie, thanks, you got it. I think at

881
00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: this point was actually sensible today. But though he was okay, yeah,

882
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:51,800
Speaker 1: well let's not give him too much points. But I

883
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,600
Speaker 1: agree with you. It's a low bar. Yeah, the low bar. Okay,

884
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 1: if we're basically on the low bar, yeah, okay, we'll

885
00:40:56,600 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: pat him on the back a few times. I I

886
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 1: don't think that they want to necessarily bringing a veteran

887
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 1: there to take away also snaps and training camp john

888
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 1: from some of these younger players, whereas you know, wide receiver.

889
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: If Charlie wants to make a case that they need

890
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,839
Speaker 1: a veteran in for snaps for competition. Yes, I think

891
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 1: clearly they have a need for that. I don't know

892
00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:17,960
Speaker 1: necessarily if they have a need for that in the

893
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: front part of their four three screen three four scheme.

894
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: Rather excuse me. I remember part of everything they've done

895
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: the last two years is to get the locker room

896
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: right and get the culture right. Two guys, you mentioned

897
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: there does Bryant Mohammed Wilkerson's You're not a good point.

898
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: There are pock marks on their past history in that

899
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 1: regard well, especially with Wolkers in some off the field issues.

900
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 1: So that's fair just saying to N four five one

901
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 1: three Scott in New Mexico's up next, Scott. Oh, guys,

902
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: I promise I won't be a spociferous Charlie Scott. Here's

903
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: the thing. Honestly, we don't mind people calling it and

904
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: expressing their opinions, but when we get, you know, rankled,

905
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: sometimes it's when we think that facts are being presented incorrectly.

906
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: And that's why we want to when when after I'm

907
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: on the manning thing because his contract is up after

908
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: this year, so it really isn't a long term problem anyway,

909
00:42:13,600 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 1: Go ahead, right, Well, Actually my question is more about

910
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:21,640
Speaker 1: what's happened. Uh. I was big Corey Coleman fan. I

911
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: thought he would be the X factor this year, So

912
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 1: I'm disappointed in that. My question is has to deal

913
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:31,319
Speaker 1: with continuity between receiver and quarterback? Uh? Do you think

914
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: with the rash of injuries, does this set that back?

915
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: In other words, will take longer to develop the continuity

916
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 1: with the new receivers that obviously we'll have to play

917
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: in the interim until Sterling Shepping gets back on the field.

918
00:42:46,440 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: Does it happen in preseason? Will it happened in training?

919
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:52,080
Speaker 1: Campbell will actually have to go into the actual season

920
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: to actually know and does it? Does it? Uh? Do

921
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks suffering a degree? Eli Manning as well? Because

922
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,279
Speaker 1: it are you talking Scott? Are you talking about are

923
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 1: you talking about specific players in general? Because a guy

924
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:07,799
Speaker 1: like Golden Tate, I mean, he's gonna get plenty of snaps,

925
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: so that's not a problem. Was here last year actually

926
00:43:11,719 --> 00:43:14,840
Speaker 1: maybe get a starting position he was Remember he's not

927
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: gonna be back this year though, So I think the

928
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 1: only guy you're talking about where that might be a

929
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: struggles of Slayton misses a significant amount of time, including

930
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:24,680
Speaker 1: preseason games. Might that slow his progress? Down shore. I

931
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,000
Speaker 1: don't necessarily see that problem with anybody else though, Yeah,

932
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: because if you look at the top three, if the

933
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: top three or Shepherd, Tate and Coleman, let's say, going

934
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:33,560
Speaker 1: based on what you're saying, Scott, all right now, all

935
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: you're doing is you're moving like a guy like Lattimer

936
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: into Coleman spot and Eli. Granted did have an overwhelming

937
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: amount of snaps with him last year because he spent

938
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: a good portion of the year on i R. But

939
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: he was here all off season, he was here last

940
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:48,799
Speaker 1: training camp, and Eli worked with him. So I don't

941
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,919
Speaker 1: think that's a tremendous transition. I think your concern would

942
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: be more important to emphasize if Eli was without, you know,

943
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: three of his top wideouts and all of a sudden,

944
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 1: you're moving guys up that made at the end of

945
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,680
Speaker 1: the day not even make the roster. I should point

946
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 1: out to. When Golden Tate spoke to the media today, Scott,

947
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: he said, Cody Latimer has been his most valuable resource

948
00:44:08,120 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 1: in terms of learning the offense and when he has

949
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,960
Speaker 1: any questions, he asked Cody, and Cody knows his offense

950
00:44:13,000 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 1: better than anyone, which I thought was an interesting answer,

951
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: because I've never heard anybody else say that about Lattimer.

952
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: So it's good that he is really engrossed in the playbook.

953
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:22,959
Speaker 1: And so the quarterbacks themselves are adaptable. In other words,

954
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 1: that they realized that obviously people are going to get

955
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:28,719
Speaker 1: hurt and they're going to make for that as well

956
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: in their in their uh, you know discourse. And Scott,

957
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 1: I mean, if you look at you, Scott, you look

958
00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:38,600
Speaker 1: at Eli Manning's career, I mean, think about how many

959
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 1: injuries he's had to deal with at the wide receiver position.

960
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,280
Speaker 1: So I just don't really think it's anything new for Elie.

961
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 1: All throughout his career, He's at guys that have gone down,

962
00:44:46,080 --> 00:44:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, Dominic Hixon, you think about it, keep Nix

963
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: has been banged up and step up to me. This

964
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,239
Speaker 1: is just, hey, another year of experience in which he's gonna,

965
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: unfortunately have to deal with the injury. But yeah, it's

966
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,759
Speaker 1: important for Shepherd to get back though, And it doesn't

967
00:44:59,800 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 1: sound and serious because if you lose look, if you

968
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: lose any of Ingram, Tte or Shepherd that has a

969
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,839
Speaker 1: significant impact on the offense, you need all those guys

970
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: on the field. Because we talked about Look, if you're

971
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 1: not gonna have Adell here as your one big star,

972
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 1: you need a bunch of guys you know are good,

973
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: even if they're not super duperstars that can get open

974
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: and do their thing. Once you start taking those guys

975
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,960
Speaker 1: out of the equation and you're bringing in guys that

976
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: have much less of a track record, that's when you

977
00:45:26,840 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: worry about the offense, whether or not they can be

978
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: explosive issenoff through the air. So I'm very happy to

979
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,560
Speaker 1: hear that Shepherd's injury is not going to be that

980
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: serious and he is going to be back. Yeah. Well

981
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: that's why I said, if you take like top three

982
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 1: guys of the depth chart off and now you bring

983
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: in the other three, yeah, that's when I think it

984
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: becomes a little bit concerning from a continuity standpoint. Market

985
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,759
Speaker 1: Chicago's our final call the show. Hey, Mark, big guys,

986
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 1: how you doing go? Yeah, I'm surprise you didn't mention

987
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: Preston Parker or Ruben Randall. They've been on the team

988
00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 1: more recently than Hikim Nicks. Preston Parker. Wow, that Preston Parker,

989
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 1: that big game against the Seahawks. I remember when they

990
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: are Preston Parker's building the tiki huts again down there.

991
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: So anyway, Hey, guys, I've tried to find it um

992
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 1: on the internet. I haven't been able to find a

993
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 1: video of a play with Shepherd's injury. Can you describe

994
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: what happened on that play and the reason why I

995
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: bring it up because it started grinding my gears a

996
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: little bit yesterday about an hour after it happened some

997
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,680
Speaker 1: guys on Twitter, and he's like blaming it on Eli

998
00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 1: Manning because it was a low thrower. Whatever, stupid guys,

999
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,920
Speaker 1: Exactly what happened there? No, you know what generous Jenkins

1000
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:37,719
Speaker 1: uh described to play a little bit today. I'm not

1001
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,439
Speaker 1: even sure if he was able to put his finger

1002
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,880
Speaker 1: on exactly which play it was. I'm not sure exactly

1003
00:46:41,920 --> 00:46:43,879
Speaker 1: what play was. I think it was a contested catch

1004
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:47,520
Speaker 1: between Jenkins and Shepherd, and the way Jenkins described that

1005
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:51,040
Speaker 1: he kind of got his thumb stuck either in between

1006
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:52,880
Speaker 1: the ball on the ground or the ball bounced up

1007
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:55,280
Speaker 1: off the ground him and the thumb. It was something

1008
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,000
Speaker 1: like that. I can't even tell you for sure whether

1009
00:46:58,080 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 1: or not it was a good pass. Jakes might even

1010
00:46:59,640 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 1: hit the ball all down into the ground. I'm not

1011
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,880
Speaker 1: even sure. But the he bottom line is this, If

1012
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: you're gonna go and try to blame Eli Manning for

1013
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,799
Speaker 1: stolen Shepherd fracturing his finger, you're an idiot. And I'm

1014
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: and I'm proud to say that well, and I just

1015
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:15,520
Speaker 1: don't understand why you have to play the blame game. Mark.

1016
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:18,320
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying you were you referred to somebody else. No, no,

1017
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:20,319
Speaker 1: I I'm not saying it was you. I'm just saying

1018
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:22,719
Speaker 1: I don't understand why anybody needs to play the blame game.

1019
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 1: The bottom line is you can't revisit the circumstance. Shepherd

1020
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:28,000
Speaker 1: fractured a piece of his thumb. Now he's got to

1021
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: get back on the road to recovery. It's not going

1022
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:32,480
Speaker 1: to change the past no matter how much analyze it there.

1023
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it was really part of an

1024
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 1: anti union agenda. Of course, I know you guys want

1025
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,439
Speaker 1: to go, and I'll cut out one topic. I wanted

1026
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 1: to ask John, I hope you have a clean piece

1027
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 1: of paper for this year. I'm gonna make my bold

1028
00:47:43,800 --> 00:47:45,800
Speaker 1: prediction for the year. Do you want to do it

1029
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 1: now or do you want to wait? You're gonna have

1030
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,879
Speaker 1: a separate show on it. Yes, we will. We will

1031
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 1: have a bold prediction show towards the end of camp

1032
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 1: for sure. Okay, yeah, this is a regular season thing,

1033
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,320
Speaker 1: not a training prediction. That's fine anyway, Now go ahead,

1034
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,160
Speaker 1: John No I said, that's fine. If he wants to

1035
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:08,640
Speaker 1: throw it out wrong with it, Yeah, you could throw

1036
00:48:08,680 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 1: yours out, Mark, Okay. Um. Last year I was at

1037
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: the Detroit workout. I was really impressed with Lorenzo Carter.

1038
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: He was in the backfield very quickly out there. I

1039
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,320
Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to lead the team in sacks.

1040
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 1: My prediction is ten and a half sex. Okay, this

1041
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: is Mark double digits for Lorenzo Carter. That would be

1042
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 1: a significant jump. Lorenzo would be and I hope he

1043
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,920
Speaker 1: makes it. Yeah, well, they would welcome. Thank you Mark.

1044
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 1: And by the way, he didn't even mention what happened

1045
00:48:41,120 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: to practice yesterday with all the extra news that came

1046
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 1: out of Lorenzo Carter was fantastic. Uh. He made an

1047
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 1: unbelievable playing the running game. They didn't end around Golden

1048
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:52,960
Speaker 1: Tate and it looked like Golden turned the corner on him.

1049
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: Carter flips his hips and almost runs faster than the

1050
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,200
Speaker 1: wide receiver to track him down, great play, reasoning line

1051
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 1: manning screen, gets an interception. He was in the backfield

1052
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: on the past rush a couple of times. He had

1053
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:07,800
Speaker 1: an unbelievable practice. And as you go now from the

1054
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: spring where there's very little contact allowed to now when

1055
00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 1: there is contact, the guys that get better are the

1056
00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,799
Speaker 1: guys that I get excited about. Some guys disappear when

1057
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 1: you started having contact, other guys get better. And look,

1058
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:21,360
Speaker 1: it's one practice, so I'm not making drawing any conclusions

1059
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 1: at all. But it was a good start for Lorenzo

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Speaker 1: Carter for sure, and he talked to the media. By

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Speaker 1: the way, he said he did put on almost eleven

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Speaker 1: pounds of muscle over the off season from fifty six.

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Speaker 1: Also completely downplayed his performance yesterday. He felt there was

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Speaker 1: no need to draw attention. But it's understandable. Teams looking

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Speaker 1: for a consistent pass rusher and so far he's looked good.

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Speaker 1: But keep in mind we're also in the very early

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Speaker 1: stages of training camp and the physicality is not nearly

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Speaker 1: where it is going to be once they start to

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Speaker 1: put the full pads on and everything, so that's also important.

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Speaker 1: And by NFL rules, you cannot put your pads on

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Speaker 1: the first two days of camp, so the earliest they

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Speaker 1: can do full pads is Saturday. I think they're gonna

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Speaker 1: do it Saturday, but I don't know that for sure.

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Speaker 1: So if you're coming out to practice, make sure you

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Speaker 1: check it out. A belief practice open to the public

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Speaker 1: matt Saturday and Sunday, right, so if you come out,

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Speaker 1: you might get a padded practice, which will be fun

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Speaker 1: for lands mine. I'm John Smoll. Thank you for joining

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Speaker 1: us for today's episode of Big Blue Kickoff Life, presented

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Speaker 1: by Corps Light. We appreciate a practice starts at two

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Speaker 1: forty five today. We'll be out there and we'll coverage

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Speaker 1: and review of that practice on giants dot com. We'll

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Speaker 1: see you on today's Friday. Right, today is Friday, Yes, dude,

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Speaker 1: do you know training camp base doesn't matter anymo So

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Speaker 1: we'll be off the next two days and we'll see

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Speaker 1: Monday at one o'clock on giants dot com. Have a

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Speaker 1: good one.