1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:01,840 Speaker 1: Lad, have you along for the ride of is Joe 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: pagny Rullo. Joe PAGs in for Sean Hannity Today, Sean 3 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,120 Speaker 1: taking a well deserved day off. Make sure you call 4 00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,159 Speaker 1: in same number as usual. One eight hundred and nine 5 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: four one seventy three twenty six, one eight hundred and 6 00:00:11,360 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: nine four one seven three to six. Go to Hannity 7 00:00:14,240 --> 00:00:16,439 Speaker 1: dot com for all things Sean Hannity. Stop by my 8 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:17,920 Speaker 1: website if you want to find out who the heck 9 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 1: this guy is. Who's on the radio right now, It's 10 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Joe PAGs dot com. Joe PAGs dot com. In the 11 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: past week, less than a week, we've had two major 12 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 1: jury trial verdicts come out and I think both were righteous. 13 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,400 Speaker 1: I want to talk to this guy about that. I 14 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: also want to talk to him about Bernard Kerrick. I 15 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: want to talk to him about executive privilege and a 16 00:00:37,560 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: whole lot more. It is my friend, America's mayor, Rudy Giuliani. Rudy, 17 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 1: how are you? I'm great, Tags, How are you? I'm 18 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 1: living the dream man. This is just an absolute honor 19 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: to be in for Sean Today, our mutual friend, and 20 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: to have you on the program was a no brainer. 21 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: For me, I want to get right into these verdicts 22 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: in the limited time we have. Let's quickly, let's well 23 00:00:57,840 --> 00:00:59,600 Speaker 1: they were We had a couple of verdicts, and I 24 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 1: think that you would agree we're probably correct, both in 25 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,960 Speaker 1: Kyle Rittenhouse's case and the case of the killing of 26 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: Ahmad Arebury in Georgia. Are you are you with me 27 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:11,360 Speaker 1: that those juries made the right decision? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, 28 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 1: you know. You know. The way I look at verdicts 29 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: I guess versus as a lawyer, and that is, is 30 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,199 Speaker 1: the jury verdict supported by the evidence, whether you agree 31 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:23,839 Speaker 1: with it or not. And the answer is in both 32 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: cases yes, now I happen to agree with it, but 33 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:30,800 Speaker 1: neither case would be reversed by a court because the 34 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: verdict is against the weight of the evidence. In in 35 00:01:35,240 --> 00:01:38,600 Speaker 1: the Rittenhouse case, it was it's almost I mean the 36 00:01:38,600 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: case should have been dismissed. I think the prosecution evidence 37 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:48,000 Speaker 1: proved self defense before he even got to the defense. Estily, 38 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: that's such a great point. The prosecution literally won the 39 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 1: case for Kyl Rittenhouse. The cats I mean he testified 40 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: because I mean, obviously he's a very When he testified, 41 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: you couldn't tell as much but I listened to the 42 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:04,240 Speaker 1: interview last night on On Tucker. Yeah, he's a bright kid. Yes, 43 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:06,560 Speaker 1: I mean this is a very smart kid. It's not 44 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: a he's not a you know, he's obviously very very smart. 45 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:17,359 Speaker 1: He's a very good recollection. And he before you even 46 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: got to his case. Basically, the guy, the guy who 47 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 1: was shot and survives that I pointed the gun at him. Right, 48 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,239 Speaker 1: you think it's gonna happen. You run after the guy, 49 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:30,160 Speaker 1: you catch up to him, and then you point a 50 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: gun at him. What do you think he's gonna do? 51 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:37,440 Speaker 1: H totally crazy. And also the tape was very very helpful. 52 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting both cases. I think that the 53 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: video really decided the case. Well, I want to I 54 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: want to ask you about that. I want to ask 55 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: you about that at length. In a second, it's Ruti Guliani, 56 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:49,960 Speaker 1: America's mayor. Let me ask you something very specific about 57 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 1: the writtenhouse case. Knowing the video evidence you had, Knowing 58 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 1: that the one guy that was shot admits that he 59 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: pointed the gun at him, knowing you know that he 60 00:02:57,520 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: was there putting out fires. We have pictures and video 61 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: of him cleaning up the local high school. He wasn't there, 62 00:03:02,480 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: starting trouble and provoking things. As the prosecutor Rudy would 63 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: you would you have brought charges here? They did a 64 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 1: great they said, a great jury in forty eight hours 65 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: and charged the kid. No, I mean not only not 66 00:03:14,440 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 1: only can I say that hypathetically, I once had a 67 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: chance to prosecute Bernard Gets. People might not remember who 68 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: he is, that he was a subway shooter who shot 69 00:03:26,040 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: four people who threatened him. And the DA in Manhattan 70 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:32,919 Speaker 1: asked me to take it as a civil rights case. 71 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:35,760 Speaker 1: And I listened to I listened to all the evidence. 72 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: I went to all the evidence with my was one 73 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: of my assistants, and we said, no, we're not going 74 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: to bring the case because it's a it's a perfect 75 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: defense of self defense. Right. I would have done the 76 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: same thing here. I would not have brought this case. 77 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: Looking at the tape, he's the video, he's constantly running away, 78 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: and the prosecutors are actually at one point they're telling 79 00:03:59,640 --> 00:04:03,120 Speaker 1: the jew Hurry that he's the aggressive and the jury 80 00:04:03,200 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 1: is looking at it is looking at a video of 81 00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: him running away. Right, how does it aggressive? Run away? Great? 82 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: In watching this guy, Binger, the assistant DA in that case, 83 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:17,440 Speaker 1: in watching this guy, Um, he violated the Second Amendment, 84 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:21,080 Speaker 1: he violated the Fifth Amendment, he violated the sixth Amendment. 85 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: I mean, and you told me on my show the 86 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 1: other day, I'll steal your lyne. You said, he only 87 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: had seven more to go to violate. And then and 88 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: then in closing arguments, Rudy, he puts his finger on 89 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,159 Speaker 1: the trigger of this rifle and points it at the jury. 90 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,720 Speaker 1: I mean, what would you have if you're the lead prosecutor, 91 00:04:35,920 --> 00:04:37,680 Speaker 1: if you're still in the Southern District of New York 92 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 1: and you're assistant DA does that? What do you do? 93 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: I fire him? Yeah, right, I have to fire him. 94 00:04:45,640 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: I mean, the guy obviously has to do something else. 95 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:50,560 Speaker 1: I remember I was a law clerk to a federal judgment. 96 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: He was a very great judge, Lloyd McMahon. But he 97 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: had a great sense of humor, and when a lawyer 98 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: really screwed up like that, he would call him up 99 00:04:58,960 --> 00:05:01,000 Speaker 1: to the bench and he say, yeah, where did you 100 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 1: go to law school? The guy said, I went to 101 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: Saint John's. He said, call him and get your money back. 102 00:05:08,920 --> 00:05:12,080 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy did everything wrong times eight. It 103 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: was very strange, and he did holding back evidence for 104 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: him they had HD video that they that they held him. 105 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: They gave four adp ST video to the defense. I 106 00:05:20,720 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 1: mean that ended of itself is this department, isn't it 107 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 1: He's holding he's holding discovery back. Yeah, I mean every 108 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,080 Speaker 1: every every era a prosecutor can make, they make. And 109 00:05:30,320 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: uh that if they had, for some strange reason convicted him, 110 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:39,320 Speaker 1: there's no court of appeals that would have held that verdict. Julian. 111 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: I think, well, I think the judge could have could 112 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:43,760 Speaker 1: have declared a mistrial that was requested, but he didn't 113 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: have to because he was found not guilty. Rudy Giuliani 114 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: go to Rudy's Commonsense dot com. Rudy's Commonsense dot Com. 115 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,960 Speaker 1: That's where you find the podcast. He's America's Mayor, will 116 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: always be for me. Go ahead and tell him who 117 00:05:56,000 --> 00:05:58,279 Speaker 1: the star of this one is. If the start of 118 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,000 Speaker 1: this podcast is some dufas on the radio, Joe PAGs 119 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,240 Speaker 1: talking about Thanksgiving, so go talking about Thanksgiving. But it's 120 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 1: actually it's actually what I use it for. I do 121 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:13,279 Speaker 1: a defense of Thanksgiving. You know, there there's a whole 122 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:17,640 Speaker 1: big movement now to cancel Thanksgiving. It's sick because of 123 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: all the of all of the Native Americans that were 124 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: killed by white people. The only problem is the Pilgrims 125 00:06:25,320 --> 00:06:28,840 Speaker 1: had an exceptionally good relationship with the Native Americans, right, 126 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,239 Speaker 1: They had a peace treaty that lasted of fifty years, 127 00:06:32,520 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: and they are a perfect example if you want to 128 00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:39,880 Speaker 1: be honest with someone, to the perfect example. How you know, 129 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: most people are good, decent people. Of course, there were 130 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 1: some people who came over that killed Native Americans, and 131 00:06:48,360 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 1: there were also some Native Americans that were killing people too. 132 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: It's not like they were eight peaceful people. There was 133 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:56,880 Speaker 1: no violence, you know, yes. And also you know it's 134 00:06:56,880 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 1: not unusual conduct. I mean, every country has a history 135 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:05,720 Speaker 1: of somebody coming in, invading and taking over Virtulius Caesar, 136 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 1: Genghis Khan all throughout Africa Asia. This is what happened, 137 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 1: you know, in times before we became more civilized, and 138 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: we're the only country. We're the only country that has 139 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: to somehow, you know, I feel regret over it and 140 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: be punished, you know, forever about it. It's really Giliani, 141 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: you really I've only got about three or four minutes left, 142 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:26,600 Speaker 1: but I want to get into a couple of very 143 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: important things. Number one, um, is it your belief. And 144 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: I think you started alluding to this earlier that without video, 145 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,200 Speaker 1: these two verdicts could have gone exactly the opposite, right, 146 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,360 Speaker 1: could be you never know, you never know what would 147 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: have happened. Absolutely right. Particularly in the written house case, 148 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:49,440 Speaker 1: the prosecutors were so um just honest. I mean, how 149 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 1: can I put in an away? I mean they who 150 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: knows what they would have made up. In the other case, 151 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: the prosecutor was excellent. Her name is don Alowski Dunikowski, 152 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: Linda Dunakowski. I listened to a heart of her summation 153 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 1: and she was terrific. I mean, she took every argument, 154 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: used it really well. And in in Aubrey's case, the 155 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 1: key testimony was when McMichael said, you know, he came 156 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: back at me and went for the gun. Now there's 157 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:27,960 Speaker 1: no video proof of that, right, And basically her argument was, 158 00:08:28,640 --> 00:08:31,080 Speaker 1: that's kind of ridiculous. The guy's been running away from 159 00:08:31,080 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 1: me all day, right, right, all of a sudden, when 160 00:08:33,679 --> 00:08:35,800 Speaker 1: there's no video, he turns around and tries to grab 161 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: your gun, and you're killed. They literally chased him down 162 00:08:38,000 --> 00:08:40,120 Speaker 1: and ended up killing him. You couldn't be more right, 163 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,040 Speaker 1: and I thank god there is video. Yeah, yeah, exactly right, 164 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,840 Speaker 1: and they and they had no good das well. We 165 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: thought he was burglarizing houses in the neighborhood. That doesn't 166 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,959 Speaker 1: make any sense, Rudy, I got to ask you about 167 00:08:49,960 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 1: about a couple of people when it comes to executive privilege. 168 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 1: You and I talked about this recently. Steve Bannon is 169 00:08:55,880 --> 00:08:58,559 Speaker 1: not asking for executive privilege, and but our character is 170 00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: not asking for executive privilege. Donald Trump is who was 171 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: the president at the time, and he gets executive privilege 172 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:07,240 Speaker 1: through an executive order I believe, signed by Obama that 173 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: all previous presidents can claim executive privilege. What's the controversy here? 174 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,199 Speaker 1: The controversy is that they want to have a show 175 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 1: that the January sixth narrative is fading. It's turning out 176 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:24,120 Speaker 1: to be largely you know, uh, sure, they did something wrong, 177 00:09:24,160 --> 00:09:25,960 Speaker 1: but they made it into the crime of the century, 178 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 1: worse than nine to eleven, right, worse than Pearl Harbor, 179 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: worse than I don't know why. Meanwhile, not a single 180 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 1: shot was fired by the protest is. The only shot 181 00:09:35,559 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: fired was by a comp who looks like he murdered somebody, right, 182 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: And so they had this is their ace in the 183 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: holes of destroy Trump, and all of a sudden the 184 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,480 Speaker 1: whole thing has fallen apart. Well, it is because they 185 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: they're lying. They're lying about Kerrick, and they're lying. They're 186 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 1: probably lying about You've got Bob Woodward, you've got video, 187 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:57,720 Speaker 1: you've got proof that he was nowhere near the scene. 188 00:09:57,920 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: So why did they think they were going to get 189 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: away with that, Rudy? I mean, fill me in on 190 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:04,439 Speaker 1: what you know of this when they started unfolding, because 191 00:10:04,520 --> 00:10:06,680 Speaker 1: they have gotten away with it in the task. Look 192 00:10:06,720 --> 00:10:09,880 Speaker 1: at what shifty Shift has gotten away with. Yeah, and 193 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: he's still on the committee. There's a video tape. There's 194 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,080 Speaker 1: a videotape of him holding up a piece of paper 195 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:18,720 Speaker 1: saying I got two witnesses direct evidence of Trump and 196 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: Russian collusion. Well, where are they jerked A Well, Rudy, 197 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: I'd like to I'd like to interview them. Can you 198 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,880 Speaker 1: get me those two names? I'd like to have them 199 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:30,079 Speaker 1: on the show. Yeah, I mean that wasn't what happened 200 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,280 Speaker 1: to those two names? They're gone. There were FicT issues. 201 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,840 Speaker 1: So so what's the recourse here? As an attorney? Carrick 202 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: is is being defamed. He's been there. They're slandering him. 203 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: They're lying about him. He was clearly nowhere near that 204 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:45,840 Speaker 1: meeting on January sixth. What do you do here? Can 205 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: we can we use the American people called government on 206 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 1: the carpet when they lie to us. Yeah, I mean 207 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:54,880 Speaker 1: he actually, uh, he actually has a pretty good lawsuit 208 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: against it. The Washington Post. Right, the Washington Post published 209 00:10:59,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: the excerpt from Woodward's book, but Woodward said, is not 210 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: an excerpt from his book. When we're clearly said that 211 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: is not in my book, I don't know what you're 212 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:15,640 Speaker 1: talking about. I mean, and that's that's completely nuts. But 213 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: let's let's assume that all correct. I haven't read. I haven't. 214 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: I'd like to see that in writing. But if that's 215 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:24,559 Speaker 1: all correct, then that's a that's a heck of a lawsuit. 216 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:27,560 Speaker 1: I mean, how can I say something's in a book 217 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 1: that's that's easily verifiable. How can I say somebody how 218 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: can they say somebody's at a meeting that's it's easy 219 00:11:32,520 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 1: to verify he wasn't at the meeting. It boggles my mind. Rudy, Yeah, 220 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:39,400 Speaker 1: I haven't. I haven't seen that in writing yet. I 221 00:11:39,520 --> 00:11:42,880 Speaker 1: want to see that. But that is absolutely amazing. But 222 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:44,679 Speaker 1: you're asking me, how would they get how would the 223 00:11:44,679 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: committee get away with that? The committee has no restraint 224 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,560 Speaker 1: because they have no accountability. The press lets them do 225 00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:55,280 Speaker 1: anything they want. I mean, look at the crimes that 226 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:58,439 Speaker 1: the Bidens get away with. Right. Every week we get 227 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 1: a new crime here here, Our biggest adversary in the 228 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 1: world is China. And now there's no doubt that what 229 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: I was saying last year is true. The Biden family 230 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:16,200 Speaker 1: made millions from China. It just so happens, President, of course. 231 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:19,479 Speaker 1: I mean that the article came out yesterday about the 232 00:12:19,520 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: about the transaction with the Chinese company that Hunter Biden 233 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: you do and complete and uh, and the commitment of 234 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: one billion and then one point five billion dollars into 235 00:12:33,320 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 1: Hunter Biden's ridiculous private equity company which used to have 236 00:12:39,080 --> 00:12:43,240 Speaker 1: as a partner Whitey Bulge's nephew. It's stunning. The information 237 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: you have on your own from the Bank of China, 238 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: the information from the Bank of China, right, which is 239 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: part of the Chinese Communist government, what you have yourself 240 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: through your own investigation, and what we have from Hunter 241 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: Biden's hard drives is stunning. This is something that can 242 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 1: make a journalism career. But they refused to cover rooting 243 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:01,920 Speaker 1: to run. I appreciate you more than you know. Thank 244 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: you so much. Right back at you. Thank you for 245 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 1: making the time today, my friend. I appreciate the America's 246 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 1: Mayor Rudy Giuliani coming on. There's so much more to 247 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: talk to him about. We didn't even start to scratch 248 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,480 Speaker 1: the surface. We'll have him on again very soon. Your 249 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: thoughts when we come back. One nine four one seven, 250 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: three two six, one hundred and nine four one Sean 251 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: Joe PAGs in for Sean Hannity. Back after this John 252 00:13:30,880 --> 00:13:36,679 Speaker 1: Kerry making America green one Learjet liberal flight at a time. 253 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,120 Speaker 1: You just can't make this stuff up. Sean Hannity is 254 00:13:41,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: on right now. I'm glad to have you Joe PAGs 255 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:06,800 Speaker 1: in for Sean Hannity today. Hopefully you're having a great day. 256 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for coming along for the ride. Joe PAGs dot com. 257 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: Joe PAGs dot com. That's the website, all the social 258 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: media there. You can email me there. Check out my 259 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 1: interview with mister Snerdley it's at the top of the page. 260 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: We cover some news on there as well. If you're 261 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 1: on the big three social media sites, they it's all 262 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 1: Joe Talk Show Joe t a l K show on Instagram, 263 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: Twitter and Facebook. It's um I believe it's also Joe 264 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:30,360 Speaker 1: Talk Show at Getter, which is the new one, and 265 00:14:30,480 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: Joe PAGs just about everywhere else. If it's a verified account, 266 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: it's me and I appreciate you you stopping by. Also 267 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:37,680 Speaker 1: go to Hannity dot com of course for all things 268 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: Sean Hannity. You go to the phone lines. I don't 269 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:41,240 Speaker 1: have a whole lot of time, but Nancy, it's all yours. 270 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 1: Let's go right. My name's Nancy. I'm from Michael, Texas, 271 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: and I get said stay out. I'm sorry, but no, 272 00:14:50,480 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: go ahead. Oh, I just wanted to make a comment 273 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: about your Washington Post comment. You asked, why would they 274 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: put something like that out there that they didn't there? Fine, 275 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 1: and it's because they don't have any real journalists anymore, 276 00:15:03,440 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: and in my opinion, they no longer care about what 277 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,920 Speaker 1: they're doing to the people they're talking about. Well, I 278 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: think you're right. I mean a journalist to break down 279 00:15:13,240 --> 00:15:16,320 Speaker 1: the word journalism or a journalist it means to cover 280 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:20,040 Speaker 1: the day. Zure is French for day. It's your job 281 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: to go out and cover it. Se tell me what 282 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 1: you saw, you smelled, you felt, you you tasted, whatever 283 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,440 Speaker 1: it happens to be, and then report it to me 284 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: because you kept a journal of what it was you saw. 285 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: They don't do that anymore. What they're doing is they're 286 00:15:32,040 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 1: going out and ignoring facts and only reporting what it 287 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: is they think will do best for them. And if 288 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,680 Speaker 1: that doesn't exist, clearly they've shown they'll make it up. 289 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,120 Speaker 1: And yes, it was a Washington Post report that this 290 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: committee was was basing it. It's allegation that Bernard Kerrick 291 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: was at this meeting when he was nowhere near it. 292 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 1: That's a problem for the Post, it's a problem for 293 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: the committee. In fact, that commission should be disbanded now 294 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 1: because it was based on big fat lion lies. But 295 00:15:57,440 --> 00:15:59,720 Speaker 1: what do I know? One eight hundred nine four one 296 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 1: three two six Hannity dot Com. Joe Pagson for Sean Hannity, 297 00:16:03,800 --> 00:16:06,840 Speaker 1: keep it right here. Thanks all opportuning into the Sean 298 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 1: Hannity Show. My name Joe pagli Rullo. Joe Pagson for 299 00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,480 Speaker 1: Sean Today. It's my honor to be with you the 300 00:16:11,560 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: day before Thanksgiving. It's my honor to have my very 301 00:16:13,680 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 1: good friend on a guy. You probably have heard of 302 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 1: a former a former captain with a glimbo crime family. 303 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: Coppa Region is Michael Frenzy's Michael. How are you, Joe? 304 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 1: I'm great, always, always great to be with you, my friend. Yeah, 305 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: it's an absolute pleasure. You know, Michael and I became 306 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 1: fast friends, and we've done a bunch of stuff online. 307 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: We've done a bunch of stuff on my show, and 308 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 1: you've got a couple of big projects coming out that 309 00:16:35,680 --> 00:16:38,920 Speaker 1: I want people to know about. Number one is Mafia Democracy. 310 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: It's your new book. You've got several books out now. 311 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: Go to Michael Frazis dot com and check out everything 312 00:16:43,240 --> 00:16:46,440 Speaker 1: he writes. He's gone from mobster to pastor. We'll get 313 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: into that a little bit here in the time that 314 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: we have, but mafia democracy really does ring true because 315 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: we're seeing a fascist feel from Washington, DC and even 316 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: from City Hall in New York City, where you've got 317 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 1: power and control is ruling today. When you say mafia democracy, 318 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: you're literally talking about our government acting like the mob right, 319 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,320 Speaker 1: no question, Joe. You know, I've never witnessed in my 320 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,240 Speaker 1: lifetime what this government is looking now, and for me, 321 00:17:14,280 --> 00:17:17,639 Speaker 1: it's very Machiavellian, and you know Machiavelli on the street, 322 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 1: he was kind of the patron saint of the mob. 323 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: We did everything in a Machiavellian way, and I see 324 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 1: our government acting exactly like that in so many ways. 325 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 1: And I point that out, you know, very strategically in 326 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:31,439 Speaker 1: the book, Joe. I mean, this is not a fluff piece. 327 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,160 Speaker 1: It's a you know, I did a lot of research 328 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: on this. I lived that life. I worked with politicians 329 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:40,280 Speaker 1: way back when, and when I'm seeing now, I never 330 00:17:40,320 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 1: thought that I would see this type of ideology and 331 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: our government. But it's happening today. And the way that 332 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: it's happening, do you see it the same way you 333 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,800 Speaker 1: remember planning things as a captain of a bunch of 334 00:17:51,800 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: soldiers in the crime family. And what I mean by 335 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: that is, you guys sold a pretty good pitch to 336 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 1: the community, to the news media. You guys pretended you 337 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: weren't really what you were, and that facade worked for 338 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 1: a really long time until like Giuliani came along and 339 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: say no, no no, no, we could probably do something about this. 340 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:11,159 Speaker 1: But is it the same sort of thing? Michael, let 341 00:18:11,200 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: me tell you what you should think of me. But 342 00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: ignore what we're really doing. Joe. Let me tell you 343 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: that Macchiavelli an ideology or philosophy, and that is that 344 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,359 Speaker 1: you know when you're in control and you're in power. 345 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 1: Machiavelli has said, you can do anything you need to 346 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:31,119 Speaker 1: do to maintain control. You can lie, you can steal, 347 00:18:31,200 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: you can cheat, you can even kill anything that you 348 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: need to do. However, to the outside public, you must 349 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:42,200 Speaker 1: always appear to be upright, honest, and have integrity. That's 350 00:18:42,240 --> 00:18:44,720 Speaker 1: our government. I hate to say it. I'm not happy 351 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:47,320 Speaker 1: about it. You know, I love this country. I have 352 00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,919 Speaker 1: kids and grandchildren that I want them to enjoy, you know, 353 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,080 Speaker 1: the freedoms that so many of us before the enjoyed. 354 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,960 Speaker 1: But what I'm seeing now, it's frightening. And that's how 355 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: these people are acting. I've never seen such underhandedness. I've 356 00:19:02,480 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: never seen such divisiveness in our nation. And you know, 357 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 1: it all starts from the top. When they start name 358 00:19:07,960 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 1: calling each other and doing all of these things that 359 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: they're doing. It goes down into the general public and 360 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: into society. It starts from the top. And if these 361 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: people would just act with some integrity and act honestly, 362 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: I don't think we'd see the divisiveness that we see 363 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: on the street today. And I really mean that is 364 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: it hard? It's Michael Frenzi's go to Michael Frenzies dot com, 365 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 1: f R A n Z eese Michael Frenzies dot com. 366 00:19:29,840 --> 00:19:31,960 Speaker 1: Become part of his crew, get his books. The new 367 00:19:32,000 --> 00:19:34,240 Speaker 1: one is going to be available for pre order very soon. 368 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: It's not yet, right, Michael, but it will be very soon. Yeah, 369 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:40,360 Speaker 1: just before Christmas. It'll be available for pre order, Yes, 370 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 1: called Mafia Democracy going and make sure that you get 371 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:45,600 Speaker 1: to his website and find out exactly what it's coming out. 372 00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: Is it hard to do or does it become second nature? 373 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: Here's what I mean. You know what you're doing behind 374 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 1: the scenes. You know what you have to look like 375 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: you're doing to the public and to the media and 376 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: so on. I mean, for God's sakes, you're producing movies well, 377 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: whereas all sorts of racketeering and everything else going on 378 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. Is it easy or does it become 379 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: second nature? It's second nature, Joe, Honestly, you know, when 380 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,360 Speaker 1: you when you have that kind of a mindset, it's 381 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: it's really second nature to you, And it was to 382 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,159 Speaker 1: me on the street I'm recognizing it now, you know, 383 00:20:15,200 --> 00:20:17,439 Speaker 1: And obviously, like I said, I'm seeing it in fold 384 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: in our government halls, and it's it's it's very disturbing 385 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: to me, it really is. You know, people tell me 386 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: all the time, you know, if the mafia was running 387 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 1: the country, we would be in better shape. And I say, no, 388 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 1: you don't want the mafia running the country. That's not 389 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 1: the way it's supposed to be. We're supposed to have. 390 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: This is a republic where government is honest and upright, 391 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:39,360 Speaker 1: and they really do have integrity and they do care 392 00:20:39,400 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: about the people that elected them to office. And it's 393 00:20:42,359 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: not that way. And I just don't understand how people 394 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:47,680 Speaker 1: don't see this. I don't get it. Here's the thing 395 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: that jumps out of me, and it's Michael Frenzy's former 396 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 1: Coppa regime, the Colombo crime family in New York. What 397 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 1: jumps out at me is and you and I've talked 398 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: about this a lot. The mob got mad when the 399 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: government wasn't right. Yet it's almost like you guys had 400 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: a higher standard for the government. All right, you catch me, FBI, 401 00:21:06,960 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: you do it on the up and up. You don't 402 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: frame me, you do it legally. You got me, I'll 403 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:13,000 Speaker 1: put my hands out in front of me. But you're 404 00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: still mad about how your father was convicted and you're 405 00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: convinced that he was framed. I mean that there really 406 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: is sort of a code within the life. You call 407 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,360 Speaker 1: it that life. The code is the government can get 408 00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: you as long as they do the right job. That's 409 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,480 Speaker 1: why you never really went after cops. You never really 410 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 1: went after Rudy, although there was a conversation about it. 411 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:35,960 Speaker 1: You really did. If you have integrity and you got 412 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: us fair and square, let's go right, no doubt, Joe. 413 00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:42,320 Speaker 1: The way we looked at it, we were on one side, 414 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: you are on the other. You do your job, you 415 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: get us. Legitimately, we have no beef, we have no complaint. 416 00:21:48,080 --> 00:21:50,240 Speaker 1: But if you frame us, if you stoop down to 417 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 1: a street level and you're breaking the law, you know, 418 00:21:53,560 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: and even at times not only breaking law but creating 419 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,239 Speaker 1: criminal activity in order to nail somebody, we didn't appreciate that, 420 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,639 Speaker 1: and I don't think anybody should. You know what people 421 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:07,280 Speaker 1: don't understand. If you've given the government an inch, they'll 422 00:22:07,320 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: take a yard and they'll never give it back. If 423 00:22:09,800 --> 00:22:12,480 Speaker 1: you allow them to break the law to go after 424 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: somebody that they really want to get. Well, that could 425 00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: apply to anybody they don't like somebody. Okay, we're gonna 426 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 1: do whatever we have to do to get them to 427 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,800 Speaker 1: put them away. We know that happens, Joe, I'm sure 428 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: you know that happens. Look what happened in the four 429 00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:29,560 Speaker 1: years of Trump's presidency. If people didn't see what was 430 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 1: really going on. Whether you like Trump or not, it 431 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,359 Speaker 1: doesn't matter. But when you saw what was going on 432 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 1: with all this Russia Gate and everything else, it was 433 00:22:37,480 --> 00:22:41,080 Speaker 1: criminal activity that was going on in the halls of justice. 434 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: I mean, that's the bottom line. We know for a 435 00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 1: fact that Russia Gate was fake, the dossier was fake, 436 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:50,240 Speaker 1: the impeachments were based on nothing. But a guy won, 437 00:22:50,440 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: a guy got a position the mafia democracy didn't like. 438 00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 1: And again, listen, there were a Republican tour against them too. 439 00:22:56,920 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: This wasn't just the Democrat versus Republican thing. This was 440 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,800 Speaker 1: big government, mafia swamp versus an outsider who said, hey, 441 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 1: why don't we do this thing that we thought we 442 00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,320 Speaker 1: were to do as a republic. But that's really the 443 00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: that's the bottom line, right, I Mean, the swamp monsters 444 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: come from all colors. Oh, no doubt about it, you know. 445 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 1: And while we're talking about that, I just have to 446 00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:19,120 Speaker 1: mention this whole writtenhouse case, you know, Joe and ops 447 00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: for anything. I didn't know much about the case. I 448 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: didn't follow it, but I get intrigued when I see, 449 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: you know, trials taking place on television. Obviously my background, 450 00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:31,359 Speaker 1: I'm interested in it. And when you watched the trial 451 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: and the evidence that was presented by the prosecution, and 452 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 1: you before that had listened to mainstream media, you would 453 00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,359 Speaker 1: have thought this kid was, you know, the devil and 454 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: connate white supremacists went there to shoot everybody cross state 455 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,040 Speaker 1: lines with guns that were illegal. It was absolutely untrue, 456 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 1: all false when you looked at the evidence that was 457 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: presented in this case. The jury came out with the 458 00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:59,520 Speaker 1: right verdict, and people are still complaining about it. And 459 00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,680 Speaker 1: I don't get it. I really don't understand. Why. What 460 00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,639 Speaker 1: are they trying to do? What are people trying to 461 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:09,800 Speaker 1: accomplish in this country by spreading false information, misinformation starting 462 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: all this racial stuff. Joe, I'm telling you, I never 463 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 1: thought in my lifetime I would see things, you know, 464 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: get to this level. I mean it, Well, it's a 465 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: great question. But I know that it's rhetorical because you 466 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,440 Speaker 1: know the answer. It's about power and control. It's about 467 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: controlling the message, controlling the power, controlling the people, and 468 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,200 Speaker 1: then they can do whatever you want them to do 469 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:28,680 Speaker 1: and they'll keep on voting for you. It's Michael Frenzies. 470 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,239 Speaker 1: Michael Frenzies dot com. Get this book. It's on the way. 471 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,480 Speaker 1: It's Mafia Democracy and I can't wait to read it, Michael, 472 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:36,040 Speaker 1: from cover to cover, and I think everybody's gonna go 473 00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 1: out and get millions of copies. Okay to Michael Frenzies 474 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:41,880 Speaker 1: dot com, let's talk about the Mafia States of America. 475 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: This is an historic sitdown between you and Sammy the 476 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: Bull Gravano, who was the underboss for John Gotti in 477 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,280 Speaker 1: the Gambino crime family. What's interesting to me is that 478 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 1: a few people know that you knew Sammy because Sammy 479 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: used to be in the Colombo family. I had no 480 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 1: idea until you and I started talking about this. Were 481 00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:05,880 Speaker 1: you guys friends? Did you know him? Did you hang out? 482 00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: Did you dislike him? What's the relationship there? Sammy and 483 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: I were not friends. I wouldn't consider us friends. Now 484 00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: you know, this sit down got kind of contentious. You know, 485 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:19,800 Speaker 1: Sammy still feels is the underbuss in a way, and 486 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, he acts a certain way and I act 487 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 1: a different way. So, you know, I think it's historic 488 00:25:26,359 --> 00:25:29,280 Speaker 1: in that it was a real sitdown. It wasn't stage, 489 00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 1: that wasn't scripted. I think you can tell throughout that 490 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 1: we didn't really care for each other that much. We 491 00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,199 Speaker 1: have a whole different idea of coosin ost and what 492 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 1: it was about then what it is now. And you know, 493 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: Patrick Ben David was in the middle of this, he 494 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: hosted it at times. It got very contentious between us, 495 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,840 Speaker 1: and I think people are going to enjoy seeing it 496 00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: because it's the real thing. You know, there's a lot 497 00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,320 Speaker 1: of stuff going on on YouTube, but look, Sammy was 498 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: a real guy. I was a real member of that life. 499 00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:59,959 Speaker 1: We have a lot of differences in ideology and opinion, 500 00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: and I think it's all going to come out and 501 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: sit down. People are gonna, you know, they're gonna get 502 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: an efful and an earful I can tell you that 503 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,000 Speaker 1: the Mafia States of America. This is gonna be a 504 00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 1: several part series and I've seen just snippets of it, 505 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: and it's amazing I cannot wait to sit down and 506 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: enjoy this. Um there there was at a point where 507 00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: you weren't sure you would do this, right, I mean, 508 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,400 Speaker 1: did you two. I can't imagine you originally said, yeah, 509 00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:23,000 Speaker 1: let's sit down to the same room and have a 510 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,000 Speaker 1: piece of bread. I mean, I would imagine that it 511 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,760 Speaker 1: took some doing, yeah, because you know, Sammy had said 512 00:26:28,800 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: some things about me that weren't very nice, and I 513 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: in turn said some things about him that I think 514 00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: we're true. I mean, it's a matter of public record. 515 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: So we didn't have any you know, love loss between 516 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:40,480 Speaker 1: the two of us. That that was for sure. I 517 00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: didn't want to do it, he didn't want to do it, 518 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 1: but somehow it you know, they convinced us when we 519 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: got together on it. But you know, I can tell 520 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 1: you this. You know, I think you know this, but 521 00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: Rudy obviously you do know it. Rudy played a part 522 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,879 Speaker 1: in this, and Chas Pomentary was the host. They did 523 00:26:56,920 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: a great job on it. I can tell you that. 524 00:26:59,040 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: And I think people are going to be very intrigued 525 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: with it. But you know, we'll see what happens. It's 526 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,320 Speaker 1: coming out I believe December third, or shortly after that, 527 00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 1: you know, you can go on Mafia States of America 528 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,120 Speaker 1: dot com. I think it's a website and people can 529 00:27:12,119 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 1: buys ten episodes. I mean, this is a this is 530 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,840 Speaker 1: a big deal. Yeah, maybe give me a minute on 531 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,000 Speaker 1: that moment that you said I got to walk away, 532 00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 1: and did you know that you would survive it, because 533 00:27:21,600 --> 00:27:23,560 Speaker 1: a lot of people don't think there's any way you 534 00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,520 Speaker 1: could have really walked away, Michael, and you still be 535 00:27:25,560 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 1: alive today. Well, you know, Joe, there was a point 536 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: in time when I realized that, you know, the life 537 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: was over. I had met a young girl that's now 538 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,280 Speaker 1: my wife for thirty seven years. I knew if I 539 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,840 Speaker 1: was going to be with her, I didn't want to 540 00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 1: put her through the you know, the agony that my 541 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 1: family went through and every other family of every member 542 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 1: that I know in that life. You know, it's not 543 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,680 Speaker 1: a life that's conducive to a good family life. And 544 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 1: I just said, you know, aside from that, Rudys Juliani 545 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: had really really used the Rico statute very well. There's 546 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,320 Speaker 1: putting a lot of guys away, a lot of guys 547 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: would becoming informants. And I said, this life is really 548 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: in trouble. And you know, did I think I was 549 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: gonna make it? Look I always said to myself, you know, 550 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't mad at anybody. I didn't want to hurt 551 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: any anybody. I wasn't looking to put people in prison. 552 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:12,919 Speaker 1: So I said, you know what, I'm going to give 553 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: this a shot and see if I can make it. 554 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,920 Speaker 1: I knew I was going to have some trouble. I 555 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 1: knew it was going to be taken well. I knew 556 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: my father would be upset with me, persical my boss. 557 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,600 Speaker 1: But I said, look, I'm not going to hurt anybody. 558 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: I'm gonna do what I need to do. I'd be 559 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:26,679 Speaker 1: a little bit manipulative with the government maybe, you know, 560 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 1: and things like that, but you know, I'm a risk 561 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,919 Speaker 1: take great ways, Joe, and I figured, you know, you know, 562 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:34,880 Speaker 1: I think this is going to work out. And ultimately, 563 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: be honest with you, I think God had a different 564 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,240 Speaker 1: plan and a purpose from my life. And that's why 565 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: I'm here and able to enjoy freedom and my family. 566 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: And you know, I've been very blessed, very blessed, and 567 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: we're blessed to have you on the program. It's it's 568 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: Michael Frenzies dot com. Go to that website, become part 569 00:28:50,040 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 1: of his crew. Pre order the book as soon as 570 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,240 Speaker 1: you can. Mafia Democracy and also The Mafia States of America. 571 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: This series that's coming out and they gonna be a 572 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 1: big December for Michael Frenzies continued success. Well, thank you 573 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: for your friendship, and I appreciate you coming on, Joe. 574 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,800 Speaker 1: I appreciate you more than you know, and thanks for 575 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: having me, and we'll do it again whatever you're ready. 576 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:10,240 Speaker 1: I hope, I hope it'll be very soon. Thank you 577 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 1: very much, Michael Frenzies go to his website. 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It's it's funny because you'd ask me a 606 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: few other times and a news story broke every single time, 607 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: and and the fact that I gotta be honest. Three 608 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: minutes before the show today, I was like, are we 609 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: doing it. We're gonna here we are and you've done great. 610 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: You've been absolutely amazing, So thank you for being for 611 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: for us. We will. You really appreciate it. Your support 612 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: has been amazing and it's funny. I was I was 613 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: a little trepidatious last night sending you the new PAGs parody, 614 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,160 Speaker 1: and you were so cool today, he said, I listen 615 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 1: to the first line play it. 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And I 625 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 1: want to say thank you very much for lighting the 626 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 1: phone lines up the entire time. Katie's been great, Jason's 627 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: been great, of course, Linda is amazing, and Sean, thank 628 00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: you again again. If you don't mind, go and check 629 00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,000 Speaker 1: out Joe PAGs dot com. I'd love to hear from you. 630 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,520 Speaker 1: If you weren't able to get through in the phone 631 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 1: lines and tons of you weren't do me a favorite, 632 00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: send me an email over at the website again, joepags 633 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: dot com. Thank you so much, and please do me 634 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: a favorite. Sit down with your kids, tell them about 635 00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: the Thanksgiving proclamation from Washington about what this day tomorrow 636 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:45,600 Speaker 1: really is all about. Have a great one, have a 637 00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: safe one. We'll talk soon.