WEBVTT - Hangin' With The 'Boys: Kavon, Computer, & Chris

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<v Speaker 1>Before listening, ask a doctor if your heart is healthy

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<v Speaker 1>enough for Dallas Cowboys football. He's hanging with the Boys,

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<v Speaker 1>broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star

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<v Speaker 1>in Frisco. Now your host, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon gross Man. It's Thursday. It's Thursday, and we are

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<v Speaker 1>bringing the heat on Thursday. We got an action packed show.

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<v Speaker 1>Later on, we're gonna have Chris Hall. What's Chris's title,

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<v Speaker 1>Assistant director of scouting, something like that, scouting big muckety

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<v Speaker 1>muck in the scouting. All right, we're gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>fan call in from none other than computer. He's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>tell us what he thinks about the team. And in studio,

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<v Speaker 1>we're missing Nate, but we more than made up for

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<v Speaker 1>live in studio, Cavan Frasier, what's up, Cav? So, what's

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<v Speaker 1>up y'all? How y'all doing field? Thanks for joining us? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you had no problems. You hadn't been in the studio

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<v Speaker 1>with us, have you? Nah? This is actually the first time. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>just out of training camp with us, right, yeah? Cool man?

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<v Speaker 1>What's been happening man? Nothing, just you know, just grinding

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<v Speaker 1>on the fielding off the field. Yeah, you've been been

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<v Speaker 1>showing out on special teams a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, just just making the most of you know,

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<v Speaker 1>every chance I get. Yeah, what do you think about

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<v Speaker 1>the young guys on the team you're talking about, like

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<v Speaker 1>like the rookies. Yeah, it's a young guy. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm still a young guy like rookie and a half

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<v Speaker 1>right now, right right, right right. No. I love them though.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they always come out to eat with us

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<v Speaker 1>every Thursday. Um, we get we get like a big

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<v Speaker 1>group of guys just to go out to eat and

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<v Speaker 1>they always come. So man, I love you know, Rookie, DBS,

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<v Speaker 1>J J, lou X, Quiz and Cheeto. I love him.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, we get along really well. Cool, cool, cool week.

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<v Speaker 1>Any different this week with he's being banged up a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit or change anything for you? Yeah yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>I'm I'm getting a lot more third down reps. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>rotating in there a little bit more. Um. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's a lot different. Actually, Yeah, that's a good

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<v Speaker 1>thing though. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a good thing. Not

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<v Speaker 1>that you know, it's good that Heath is hurt, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's more chances for me though. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to I wanted to talk to you a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about so you and you and Keith Smith have

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<v Speaker 1>this friendly rivalry going on where you guys tried to

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<v Speaker 1>raise a little bit of money right right right through

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<v Speaker 1>social media. Tell us a little bit about that. And

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<v Speaker 1>then and then I saw on social media where you

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<v Speaker 1>guys are doing stuff on your days off together, right yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So the little rivalry was it was actually called the

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<v Speaker 1>charity war. So so me and him was competing to

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<v Speaker 1>raise the most money for different charities. Uh. Keith chose

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<v Speaker 1>Incarnation House, which um, you know I do a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work with. Um, their their homeless chose to shelter

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<v Speaker 1>for for like high schoolers. You know after school they

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<v Speaker 1>go there and eat and do their homework and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just hang out, watch their clothes. Um. Yeah, So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they're a great organization that I do a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>work with and I go over there and hang out

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<v Speaker 1>all the time. Um. And mind was my own foundation

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<v Speaker 1>called Fraser kerriss Um. You know, Frasier Kiris just benefits

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<v Speaker 1>children at risk and children without father figure because I

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<v Speaker 1>grew up without a father figure and my mom, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>she was doing all she could to to you know,

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<v Speaker 1>just put food on the table and close on her back.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, I just want to do all I

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<v Speaker 1>can to help up. Yeah, So it sounds like when

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<v Speaker 1>you're growing up the Boys and Girls Club really played

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<v Speaker 1>a big party. Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely do. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>I do a lot of work with the Boys and

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<v Speaker 1>Girls Club in Dallas in back in Michigan where I'm from. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>growing growing up, I was in the Boys and Girls Club. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, they basically helped raised me. Um. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that's where I first started playing football at in basketball,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know, they definitely helped raise me. They they

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<v Speaker 1>helped keep my grades up and academics up. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>those guys over there, you know in the Michigan Boys

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<v Speaker 1>and Girls Club was definitely like father figures for for

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<v Speaker 1>me growing up. But part of Michigan you're from. Grand

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<v Speaker 1>Rappers okay, also known as gun Rue Rue Yea, what

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<v Speaker 1>is that like? You know, you hear so much about

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<v Speaker 1>Detroit and what it's seen as in flats had a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of trouble with I mean, with its Grand Rappers.

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<v Speaker 1>Did you kind of face some of that as well?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, it's definitely some bad parts. Uh. Fortunately I

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<v Speaker 1>lived in one of the bad parts. Grand Rappers is

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a smaller Detroit at some point. Um, it's

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<v Speaker 1>definitely more good than bad there though, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we lived in one of the rougher parts and Grand Rappers.

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<v Speaker 1>Who's your who your buddy, who's your best buddy on

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<v Speaker 1>the team, who you hang out with outside of where?

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<v Speaker 1>You know? The answer to that? I know. But oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>to answer your question earlier, Yeah, yeah, on our off day,

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<v Speaker 1>we do a lot of work. Like like we go

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<v Speaker 1>read books, like almost every Monday, almost every off day

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<v Speaker 1>we get we go read books to different elementary schools

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<v Speaker 1>in the DFW area. So I was looking at some

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<v Speaker 1>of the community stuff you do. It's amazing how much

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<v Speaker 1>work you're doing. That. Yeah, you can find the time

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<v Speaker 1>to do all that stuff, It's correct. I mean you

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<v Speaker 1>just you just take it. You know, every little chance

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<v Speaker 1>you get. It's just like the football field. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>every little chance you get, you got to make the

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<v Speaker 1>most of it. And you know that same in the community,

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<v Speaker 1>every little chance you get. You know, I want to

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<v Speaker 1>help change somebody's life. Yeah, that's and that's pretty that's

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<v Speaker 1>pretty cool. Man. Usually guys don't start doing that and

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<v Speaker 1>create a foundation and start giving back until they've been

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<v Speaker 1>in the league three or four or five years. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is your second year and you actually started last year.

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<v Speaker 1>You took a bunch of kids Christmas shopping for shoes, right, yeah, yep, yep.

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<v Speaker 1>That's an annual thing that we do now starting last

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<v Speaker 1>year as a rookie. Um, I take kids to under Armour,

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<v Speaker 1>you know every year. Um, last year I took thirty

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<v Speaker 1>five kids. This year, I'll take thirty five kids to

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<v Speaker 1>the North Park under Armour and uh, you know, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>just do some shopping for Christmas. What made you like

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<v Speaker 1>what made you want to give back so early in

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<v Speaker 1>your career, Well, just just basically, you know what I

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<v Speaker 1>went through as a child growing up. You know, like

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<v Speaker 1>I said, my dad wasn't around. He left me and

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<v Speaker 1>my sister when I was two, and my sister well

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<v Speaker 1>I was wanting to half and my sister was like three.

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<v Speaker 1>So um, and we and my mom, she she did

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to put us in Christian schools and to

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<v Speaker 1>take take us around playing different sports and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But there was other people like in the Christian schools

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<v Speaker 1>that um that helped us out a lot. So so

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<v Speaker 1>they really motivated me to start giving back so early. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>next time you, uh, next time you, Keith go read

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<v Speaker 1>to to a school or whatever, give me like a

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<v Speaker 1>day heads up, Okay, we'll follow you and make a

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<v Speaker 1>video out of it. So everybody don't know what you

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<v Speaker 1>guys do, because I don't think a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>know that that y'all do that, right. Yeah, So I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I don't know when the next time we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>read because we got this, Uh we're a little stretch

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<v Speaker 1>right now. Play on Sunday, Thursday, Thursday, so it'll probably

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<v Speaker 1>be after the second Thursday week that we'll go read

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<v Speaker 1>on that Monday. Yeah. But I know you did a

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<v Speaker 1>You've done a lot of just one off things on

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<v Speaker 1>your own even before the foundation. But now that you've

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<v Speaker 1>started the foundation, is that there like a whole new game.

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<v Speaker 1>Is a little bit challenge is actually being a part

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<v Speaker 1>of your own foundation and running that. Um, it's basically

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<v Speaker 1>the same, you know, I don't Yeah, it's basically the same.

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<v Speaker 1>But I got a plublicist who who do like the

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<v Speaker 1>dirty work. Yeah, you set everything up now, So so

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<v Speaker 1>that's like the different part that I have now since

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<v Speaker 1>I have the foundation, is that you know, I have

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<v Speaker 1>a platform to to have like people work for me,

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<v Speaker 1>like like my publicists, and um, we got a few

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<v Speaker 1>interns in Michigan that if that's working back home setting

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<v Speaker 1>stuff up for my camps and stuff like that coming

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<v Speaker 1>this summer. So uh, you know, but other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's basically the same. Um yeah, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>basically this is impressive that just the Hurricane Harvey relief

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<v Speaker 1>and all the water you collected and everything. And here's

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<v Speaker 1>that's not even our city, you know, or less, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not Grand Rapids. But you guys really came out for that. Yeah. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know that was you know, that was devastating that, um,

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<v Speaker 1>those people was going through all that. So you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we just tried to do, you know, as much as

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<v Speaker 1>possible to give back and help them out. Um, even

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<v Speaker 1>if it was just water, you know, we tried to

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<v Speaker 1>get clothes, water, toilet paper and you know, anything that

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<v Speaker 1>could help give back. So um, you know, we just

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<v Speaker 1>tried to take part in little stuff. We don't try

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<v Speaker 1>to go out of you know, go out of the ordinary,

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<v Speaker 1>but we try to, uh, you know, do as much

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<v Speaker 1>as we can to uh to help out and get

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<v Speaker 1>back just that kind of stuff. Getting water or reading

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<v Speaker 1>the kids. I mean they gets looks so often. I

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<v Speaker 1>mean that's that's important to do. Pretty awesome. What U

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<v Speaker 1>on the field, what's besides at and T Stadium? What's

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<v Speaker 1>the your favorite place that you played so far? In

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<v Speaker 1>my favorite players I played a player so far, it

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<v Speaker 1>was definitely a Denver stadium. Yeah, you like that Bronco stadium. Man,

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<v Speaker 1>They just it was just so loud, and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the football atmosphere was crazy there. So yeah, it was

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<v Speaker 1>definitely that stadium. Yeah, it was definitely loud. Did the

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<v Speaker 1>altitude mess with you at all? Up there? Personally? I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't feel like it messed with me. Yeah, but you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't speak for everybody, but personally, I don't think

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<v Speaker 1>it messed with me. Yeah. That's cool. When you're in it,

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<v Speaker 1>when you're playing and you've been coming, you've been on defense,

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<v Speaker 1>filling in you know, every series or every other serious

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<v Speaker 1>thing like that. Is it hard to get in the

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<v Speaker 1>flow that quickly when you're not maybe starting and playing

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<v Speaker 1>every you know, playing as many snaps as are hard

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<v Speaker 1>to jump right in or is that help you in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways because you're a little bit fresher. M is

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<v Speaker 1>definitely a challenge. Um, I was just talking to my

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<v Speaker 1>agent yesterday, or like, yeah, man, it's hard to h

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<v Speaker 1>to come in and h and just start tackling, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what I'm saying, when when you haven't been tackling

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<v Speaker 1>the whole game, you know, it's definitely a challenge, but

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<v Speaker 1>you know you just like me, I just try to

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<v Speaker 1>stay ready, to stay ready, so so when my name

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<v Speaker 1>get caught, I just go out there and try to

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<v Speaker 1>make a play. Yeah. I know. I read a story

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<v Speaker 1>that last year is a rookie. I'm sure most rookies

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<v Speaker 1>are like this. It's you're you're a little passive, you're

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<v Speaker 1>not sure, you're trying to feel your way out. And

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<v Speaker 1>this year it's kind of like your goal is just

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<v Speaker 1>to be more aggressive. You know, you know the playbook

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<v Speaker 1>better and all that kind of stuff. Do you kind

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<v Speaker 1>of feel like you've taken that next next step like that? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>last year, even on like kickoff, I see myself running

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<v Speaker 1>down or I'm like, man, I know I'm way faster

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<v Speaker 1>than that. Like I was more like hesitant and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't want to make a mistake and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But this year and I'm just you know, boss of

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<v Speaker 1>the watches everything just full speed. So I'm yeah, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just not you know, I'm I still like nobody want

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<v Speaker 1>to make a mistake. But I'm just not really worried

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<v Speaker 1>about that. I'm just more worried about just just playing

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<v Speaker 1>full speed and um, you know, just playing to the

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<v Speaker 1>best that I can play. All Right, So we got

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<v Speaker 1>a minute or so left with cave On, So let's

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<v Speaker 1>play a game cave on. Oh, let's do it. Let's play.

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<v Speaker 1>We've never done this before, so we might mess this

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<v Speaker 1>all up. So we're just gonna ask you rapid fire questions.

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt will take turns. I go, you go, I go.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys, I don't have to go questions. I don't either.

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<v Speaker 1>I have nothing in front of it. It's gonna make

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<v Speaker 1>this so fun. Okay, well, one of you can ask

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<v Speaker 1>Nate's default question. No, no, these are rapid fire. This

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<v Speaker 1>is gonna be quick, Like what's your favorite color? What's this?

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<v Speaker 1>What's this? What's this? What's this? Are you ready? Kurt

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<v Speaker 1>short answers caveon. Nothing complicated, look nervous. No, I'm good. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your favorite animal? It's actually a hyena? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>Like I mean, I grew up just like in Hyaenas because, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>my my favorite movie is a lion King. Uh that's

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<v Speaker 1>what everybody knows from my from my social Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>or was that the Simba whatever? Okay, I wonder Yeah

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<v Speaker 1>it Swoopy Goldberg's character, wasn't it? Yeah? The hyena? Yeah? Her?

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<v Speaker 1>And was it cheech Cheech was one of the other voices, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>cheech marin. Yeah. And I just always like the Hyaenas

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<v Speaker 1>on there. Okay, Kurt, do you miss being a running

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<v Speaker 1>back you were in high school? No? You like hitting

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<v Speaker 1>better than getting hit? As I say, do you get

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<v Speaker 1>to control how you hit people as a running back?

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<v Speaker 1>You you can't? Like you get hit? And no, I'm good.

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<v Speaker 1>What's your dream car? Dream car? Ge? Wagon? Wagon? Your turn?

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<v Speaker 1>Kurt lay flowing this game? Now? Who's the best dressed?

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<v Speaker 1>Who's the best dresser on the team? Yeah? Man? In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>he posted about said about that yesterday, did you Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Everything's everybody else is just racing for second place. What's

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<v Speaker 1>your favorite part of this facility? The star probably the

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<v Speaker 1>hot tubs and everything. I spent a lot of time

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<v Speaker 1>in there, just just chilling in the hot tub. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you're getting that cold tub often? Yeah, A little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't you know, I don't know. I don't care

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<v Speaker 1>for one. I don't know how y'all do it? Man, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I used to this and this is the first year

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<v Speaker 1>that I actually start doing it. Like other than like

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<v Speaker 1>I used to be like a little sissy about that

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<v Speaker 1>part of that. All right, last question, Kurt. You you

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<v Speaker 1>grew up in Michigan, went to college in Michigan. Was

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<v Speaker 1>a shock moving south to Dallas. H No, it was

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<v Speaker 1>all good. Yeah, it was all good. Yea, it was

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<v Speaker 1>still it was a little culture change with the weather

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<v Speaker 1>and everything. But you know, other than that, with the

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<v Speaker 1>weather and then the side of the city because because

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<v Speaker 1>Grand Rappers isn't like, well any part of Michigan don't

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<v Speaker 1>have no big cities like this. But other than that,

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<v Speaker 1>like you know everything, Yeah, how about this weather. It's

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<v Speaker 1>November sixteenth and it's like seventy five degrees out love

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<v Speaker 1>it man, Awesome, isn't it in Michigan November sixteen? It's

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<v Speaker 1>probably like negative two? No, thank you, no hold part

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<v Speaker 1>of that. Well, man, we appreciate you coming on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>I appreciate yo. Keep balling out and hopefully we get

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<v Speaker 1>you back home before the seasons. Go over it something. Yea, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll let you do the introduction right, So we have

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<v Speaker 1>a very special guest and a friend from way back

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<v Speaker 1>of the show, one of the biggest Cowboy fans there

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<v Speaker 1>is in the world from three to six Mafia Fame Computer.

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<v Speaker 1>What what is up? Man? It's been too long? How

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<v Speaker 1>you bat man? It's been too long? Man? I just

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<v Speaker 1>I get quiet doing football, see you. Yeah, I begged

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<v Speaker 1>the differ, not according to your Twitter account. Oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be going off on people all the time. Where

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<v Speaker 1>are you? Where are you at right now? Actually I'm

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<v Speaker 1>a tubolau right now? Okay, how are you feeling, you little?

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<v Speaker 1>You little banged up? Yeah? I was the correct Tuesday

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<v Speaker 1>got rammed in from the rear. Never good to get

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<v Speaker 1>rimmed from the rear, never never even even Tommy johnes all.

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<v Speaker 1>Are you feeling all right though? Just a little sore. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a little sore. I gotta go back into the

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<v Speaker 1>doctor mark for a follow up. My back that bothering,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had my arm I was holding the arm

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<v Speaker 1>risk on the on the lady Ramsa, so so I

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<v Speaker 1>gotta get all that checked out. I'm cool. We'll tell

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<v Speaker 1>us how you feeling about this team right now? I've

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<v Speaker 1>been so down in the dumps. Uh. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>new girlfriend. H Nate's question and she uh, she uh amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I'll be quiet. She's like, well, what's wrong?

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<v Speaker 1>Because this is our first football season with me, so

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<v Speaker 1>she really don't know who I am. And uh. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when we beat k Kansas City, she said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>y'all one, Uh, you'll be in all be normal this week.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, we won last week. She said, oh my god,

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<v Speaker 1>what's wrong with you? You say? You apparently don't watch

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<v Speaker 1>Cowboys football? Do you? No, she don't. She don't have

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<v Speaker 1>on clue. I could talk about Zeke Nolla and she's like, what, well,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll be our ass. No, it's not gonna be all right,

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<v Speaker 1>And she's just she's sweeting. So I just she just

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't understand why I don't be talking much. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>talking yes, missing between there and uh I go that

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<v Speaker 1>back between there and La. Yeah, where's your girl lives?

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<v Speaker 1>She lives in tuploea poun talks like twenty minutes from

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<v Speaker 1>my house. Okay, what do you think about that game

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday against the Falcons? Well, I wasn't. I was

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<v Speaker 1>upset about it, but the way everything went down during

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<v Speaker 1>the game, it just it just bothered me that we

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<v Speaker 1>went down there. And Uh, I'm not upset with the team.

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<v Speaker 1>It just will just just something that just happened to us. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I sometimes I feel like that our team doesn't match

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<v Speaker 1>the hate that comes some other teams. I think when

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<v Speaker 1>we play NMC each teams we kind of get up

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<v Speaker 1>for them and hate them back the same way. But

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<v Speaker 1>when whenever you the Cowboys play somebody, we're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>that team's best shot. Don't matter if they one to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen or fifteen to one, they're gonna Everybody wants to

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<v Speaker 1>beat the Cowboys, and everybody haste the Cowboys. So I

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<v Speaker 1>always say it's us against the other thirty one, no

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<v Speaker 1>matter what. It's not a league where everybody's together. Other

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<v Speaker 1>team might work together, but ain't nobody trying to help

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<v Speaker 1>us out because they don't want us on top? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>that makes it harder every single week. You got a

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<v Speaker 1>week and then everybody wants to play. Then you have

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<v Speaker 1>other players that come in, they make a play, and

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<v Speaker 1>they ain't imitate one of our players celebrations and saw

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<v Speaker 1>me this weird. You're not happy where you at? I

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<v Speaker 1>don't get it. You know, teams want they want to

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<v Speaker 1>throw up this ex when they make a player or

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<v Speaker 1>do something, or they want to do this and do that.

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<v Speaker 1>They just they want to feed themselves, you know, like

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<v Speaker 1>Zeka just I kind of knew this was gonna happen.

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<v Speaker 1>We had so much as sense last year. I knew

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<v Speaker 1>they were gonna try to do something, try to stop.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the one thing I just can't understand. Why is

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<v Speaker 1>the league so against the Cowboys. I just don't understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>We the ratings are down on every other team, step

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<v Speaker 1>for the Cowboys, but they still hate I don't get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't. And the way they treat mister Jones,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't like that. Man. I couldn't. I couldn't be

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<v Speaker 1>working for Jerry and be seeing something the people, because

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<v Speaker 1>they'd be taking me out of handcuffs. Y'all got mister

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<v Speaker 1>Jona messed up like I take up apologies. It'd be

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<v Speaker 1>the same way. When's he gonna when's he gonna take

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<v Speaker 1>you riding in this helicopter? Oh yeah, he could. I

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<v Speaker 1>love it, you know, it's just you know, it just it.

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<v Speaker 1>It hurts me to see how us to go through

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing everyway. I mean, they they started with

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<v Speaker 1>the salary cap to stop the Cowboys. Then they came

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<v Speaker 1>up with the micro irving room, and they came up

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<v Speaker 1>with the Eric Wegiams rule. Then they came over them rules,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, and then all the stuff that's happened the

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<v Speaker 1>past a couple of years, and the dead kids that

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<v Speaker 1>fate call. They call them on Butler last year in

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<v Speaker 1>the playoffs. You know my card, the guy with the

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<v Speaker 1>rest before the game. I'm like, come on, man, can't

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<v Speaker 1>you play. I don't mind us losing, but when we're

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<v Speaker 1>losing to somebody and it's the field is not level,

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<v Speaker 1>that what bothers me. You know, they don't make us

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<v Speaker 1>players not it's not a level playing field when we

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<v Speaker 1>play something. Man, conspiracies dot com the four games and

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<v Speaker 1>we got a good pass for us, you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>whole and they were holding the playoffs. That's why I saw,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw you retreated gil Brands where twenty six quarters

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<v Speaker 1>since some offensive lineman's then called for holding against Dallas. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>twenty six quarters, that'll get your conspiracy three three Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the whole thing with the owners Hay no, Jerry,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, come on, man. And my whole problem with

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<v Speaker 1>the whole thing was zque war when that league investigator

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<v Speaker 1>said that she felt like no suspension and the witness

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<v Speaker 1>testimony when crowd that's all I had to hear. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I had to talk to nobody else. They just like,

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<v Speaker 1>if you go to court and go to trial and

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<v Speaker 1>the jurors value not get but the prosecuting the job, like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>we kind of wanted you to go to jes so

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<v Speaker 1>we're gonna say the agel whatever they had to say.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's that's that's why we hadn't been playing

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<v Speaker 1>good because that's been really been on the team. He

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't getting the reps in preseason. So when it came out,

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't altogether. It didn't knel in the back of

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<v Speaker 1>their head. It just kept going and going, you know,

0:23:19.160 --> 0:23:20.639
<v Speaker 1>and now you know, it's just I don't know what

0:23:20.800 --> 0:23:22.560
<v Speaker 1>was gonna do. Who I just don't know what was

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<v Speaker 1>going who do you think this team, missus is more

0:23:26.280 --> 0:23:29.879
<v Speaker 1>of an impact not being on the field, tyring Zeke

0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:35.240
<v Speaker 1>or Shawn Lee. I go Zeke, Shaun Lee then Tyre?

0:23:36.359 --> 0:23:41.359
<v Speaker 1>Really yes, because teams are skilled of Zeke m you know,

0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:45.680
<v Speaker 1>just like Cancaid changed their whole defense. You know. Yeah.

0:23:46.600 --> 0:23:49.280
<v Speaker 1>I saw a news article to day talked about you know,

0:23:49.400 --> 0:23:52.880
<v Speaker 1>Chas Green did start two games last year and played well,

0:23:53.200 --> 0:23:56.240
<v Speaker 1>but we had Zeke in the lineup under yards and

0:23:56.320 --> 0:23:59.760
<v Speaker 1>so my my observation is that it is like Michael

0:24:00.240 --> 0:24:01.880
<v Speaker 1>you know, the Cowboys. We never won a game without

0:24:01.880 --> 0:24:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Mike Irving when he went on the field. We won

0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:08.320
<v Speaker 1>without Troy, we didn't win without em, and we didn't

0:24:08.320 --> 0:24:10.400
<v Speaker 1>win without Mike. The reason why we didn't win without

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:13.000
<v Speaker 1>Mike because he was an emotional leader. They gave a

0:24:13.080 --> 0:24:15.600
<v Speaker 1>team that um and that same thing comes from Zeke.

0:24:16.480 --> 0:24:18.720
<v Speaker 1>Even though Dak is the leader of the team. Zeke

0:24:18.880 --> 0:24:20.840
<v Speaker 1>is the Michael Irvan. You know what I'm saying. He'd

0:24:20.920 --> 0:24:23.520
<v Speaker 1>want to go crazy. That got to be calm and

0:24:23.560 --> 0:24:25.960
<v Speaker 1>cool because he's a quarterback like Troy Wood and Mike

0:24:26.080 --> 0:24:29.399
<v Speaker 1>had to be his place, getting everybody clunk, getting everybody

0:24:29.400 --> 0:24:31.040
<v Speaker 1>to fake. You know what I'm saying. You think he's

0:24:31.080 --> 0:24:32.760
<v Speaker 1>more of that girl. I think he's more of that

0:24:32.880 --> 0:24:36.160
<v Speaker 1>guy than like Dez. You think Zeke's more than Yeah, yeah,

0:24:36.160 --> 0:24:39.720
<v Speaker 1>I don't up because, uh it's he's more physical. He

0:24:40.280 --> 0:24:43.280
<v Speaker 1>he's able because we're running team den if Den started

0:24:43.320 --> 0:24:45.359
<v Speaker 1>out doing his his kids and stuff at the beginning

0:24:45.400 --> 0:24:47.840
<v Speaker 1>of the game and getting crunk. Yeah, but Zeke is

0:24:47.840 --> 0:24:49.720
<v Speaker 1>did him? You know Zeke, you know since we were

0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.359
<v Speaker 1>running team he does that right. How did you computer?

0:24:53.440 --> 0:24:57.920
<v Speaker 1>How did you become a Cowboys fan? My dad say

0:24:57.920 --> 0:25:00.840
<v Speaker 1>he used to watch games together U and we still

0:25:00.920 --> 0:25:03.040
<v Speaker 1>we still do. He gets mad. Now he gets he gets,

0:25:03.160 --> 0:25:04.960
<v Speaker 1>he gets mad, and I do. He can't watch. You

0:25:05.119 --> 0:25:08.400
<v Speaker 1>get a real star watching like last season, he watched

0:25:08.440 --> 0:25:09.959
<v Speaker 1>all the game. Last year, he was cool, but once

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:11.840
<v Speaker 1>they started and missed this year, he gets so upset.

0:25:11.920 --> 0:25:14.719
<v Speaker 1>He came watch he just like I get it from him.

0:25:14.800 --> 0:25:18.480
<v Speaker 1>So who are who are your your other teams? Who's

0:25:18.480 --> 0:25:21.560
<v Speaker 1>your NBA team? I don't really When Michael Jordan quick

0:25:21.680 --> 0:25:24.640
<v Speaker 1>playing basketball, I quick watch really yeah, because I feel

0:25:24.640 --> 0:25:26.920
<v Speaker 1>like they don't play hard like Mike did. Good for you.

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>It's not the same. It's a different game now. It

0:25:29.320 --> 0:25:33.400
<v Speaker 1>seems like, yeah, what about baseball? You watch baseball now? Cardinals?

0:25:33.440 --> 0:25:39.280
<v Speaker 1>I guess, yeah, No hockey, no college football. I used

0:25:39.320 --> 0:25:41.320
<v Speaker 1>to watch it, but now I'm sowing to the Cowboys.

0:25:41.359 --> 0:25:43.880
<v Speaker 1>When I came in, like State was playing Alabama, everybody's

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:47.000
<v Speaker 1>missing was going crazy. Yeare you worried about that? Said man,

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 1>I am not worried about Misses state. You know you're

0:25:50.440 --> 0:25:53.520
<v Speaker 1>in Mississippi state, territorial miss I don't know. Well, I'm

0:25:53.600 --> 0:25:56.560
<v Speaker 1>for the minute from Starfall and thirty five minutes from

0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.400
<v Speaker 1>March the middle of it. But you did in middle

0:25:59.800 --> 0:26:03.399
<v Speaker 1>you route for state though, right? Yeah? Route was stating

0:26:03.440 --> 0:26:08.040
<v Speaker 1>for the football, but the girls offers. So were you

0:26:08.160 --> 0:26:10.399
<v Speaker 1>doing Were you doing cart wheels when they drafted that?

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:13.320
<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I was going crazy one that hen I

0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:17.320
<v Speaker 1>said my quarterback fixed would be my quarterback. And see

0:26:17.320 --> 0:26:20.120
<v Speaker 1>I knew that when when they drafted that. I said, man,

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.720
<v Speaker 1>just like they said that, Uh Brandon Lee moving the crow.

0:26:23.840 --> 0:26:25.800
<v Speaker 1>He said they can't rain forever. I said, not gonna

0:26:25.840 --> 0:26:30.200
<v Speaker 1>rain for everybody just laughed it because that all that

0:26:30.320 --> 0:26:32.520
<v Speaker 1>thing that Parcel said about all the things he liked

0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:34.679
<v Speaker 1>in a quarterback that hit every last one of them.

0:26:36.240 --> 0:26:38.920
<v Speaker 1>And he was and he'd been in the sec he

0:26:39.040 --> 0:26:41.600
<v Speaker 1>didn't been through that fire man at Obama one year,

0:26:41.600 --> 0:26:45.000
<v Speaker 1>they were just kissing him and they was hitting him,

0:26:45.040 --> 0:26:46.879
<v Speaker 1>and he was just he just kept on and on

0:26:47.200 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 1>and on, and he earned their respect. They would pick

0:26:49.359 --> 0:26:51.240
<v Speaker 1>him up up, they would pick him off the up

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>off the ground. They hit him because they respected him.

0:26:54.600 --> 0:26:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I got a funny story. I was in Sam's the

0:26:57.200 --> 0:26:59.600
<v Speaker 1>other day and I've seen this big old tall due.

0:26:59.640 --> 0:27:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I said that dude need to be playing on something

0:27:01.480 --> 0:27:03.960
<v Speaker 1>about I would deck Thatt and Cowboys stuff. It was

0:27:04.040 --> 0:27:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Chris Jones, Kansas City. Really, he's you ain't recognize him.

0:27:08.840 --> 0:27:10.880
<v Speaker 1>Do you ain't gonna speak? And look? I said, oh wow,

0:27:11.240 --> 0:27:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I said. I thought. I was like, man, who would

0:27:13.440 --> 0:27:14.960
<v Speaker 1>this big tall? Does he need to be playing some

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.080
<v Speaker 1>ball somewhere. I didn't know he was that tall because

0:27:18.080 --> 0:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't seen him since start one. He he doesn't

0:27:20.800 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 1>have a he had a growl, he don't have a

0:27:21.880 --> 0:27:23.600
<v Speaker 1>gross pert since he'd been up there. Yeah, he's a

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:25.920
<v Speaker 1>big he's a big man. I didn't realize how big

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:30.720
<v Speaker 1>he was until But who you think, Oh, who do

0:27:30.760 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 1>you think the cowboys biggest rival is these days Eagles?

0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.240
<v Speaker 1>I meant about worry about the Eagles, but not worried

0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:39.959
<v Speaker 1>about Sunday. I mean, I mean they're gonna talk all

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:41.320
<v Speaker 1>that nose. I mean they've been on the top of

0:27:41.400 --> 0:27:43.879
<v Speaker 1>somebody nose. I would go there. I'll be up there

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.720
<v Speaker 1>like rock. I go up there like uh listen, Tigue

0:27:46.720 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>just started knocking them all out. Man, they'd run you

0:27:49.040 --> 0:27:51.240
<v Speaker 1>out of that city if you went up there. Wasn't

0:27:51.720 --> 0:27:56.560
<v Speaker 1>not running them about it. It's a gona Mississippi boy.

0:27:56.600 --> 0:27:59.399
<v Speaker 1>We'll go up there and take that town old. I

0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:01.320
<v Speaker 1>mean they've been talking so much knows and then Doug

0:28:01.400 --> 0:28:04.200
<v Speaker 1>Peterson talking all that knows about Dak last year and

0:28:04.320 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 1>then over the summer, nobody's brought up none of those

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.399
<v Speaker 1>comments he said talking about dads had to step in

0:28:09.560 --> 0:28:11.320
<v Speaker 1>off the bus. He had a good team around him.

0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:13.760
<v Speaker 1>He's not that good of a quarterback, and dudes better,

0:28:13.880 --> 0:28:16.320
<v Speaker 1>and dude were drafted the first or second pick in

0:28:16.359 --> 0:28:19.800
<v Speaker 1>the draft. He better be better. But I would take

0:28:19.880 --> 0:28:21.800
<v Speaker 1>Dack over him in the day of the week to me,

0:28:21.960 --> 0:28:24.600
<v Speaker 1>you know, it's like, to me, he faked that Carson

0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:27.280
<v Speaker 1>Wentz the kicker make an extra point. He running out

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:28.920
<v Speaker 1>in the middle of the field to take the kicker's hand.

0:28:29.200 --> 0:28:32.280
<v Speaker 1>Come on, man, you just you play? I mean so

0:28:32.440 --> 0:28:34.480
<v Speaker 1>fake to me. You know, he's a good player, you know.

0:28:34.920 --> 0:28:37.640
<v Speaker 1>And they and Philadephione that picked him. If Dallas hadn't

0:28:37.680 --> 0:28:39.520
<v Speaker 1>have been working him out, no way. They were so

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:41.880
<v Speaker 1>worried that Dallas gonna get it. They trade a half

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:43.719
<v Speaker 1>day team or whatever they did to get up there,

0:28:44.560 --> 0:28:47.800
<v Speaker 1>you know. And plus they've had an easier schedule. They

0:28:47.840 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 1>only played one team when a winning record, that's it. Yeah,

0:28:52.200 --> 0:28:55.200
<v Speaker 1>it schedule for them. Yeah, they're about to play another

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:58.960
<v Speaker 1>one this this Sunday. And then you know they're the

0:28:59.120 --> 0:29:01.360
<v Speaker 1>teams that the rest of that schedules three three point

0:29:01.440 --> 0:29:03.719
<v Speaker 1>eight nine. I was a four point five and Washington

0:29:03.720 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>actually has a tough schedule the rest of the year

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:09.440
<v Speaker 1>than what all of the teams are. But you know,

0:29:10.360 --> 0:29:16.160
<v Speaker 1>you know schedule. I mean, we'll see what happened sun

0:29:16.320 --> 0:29:18.280
<v Speaker 1>is as long as we as long as we show

0:29:18.360 --> 0:29:20.160
<v Speaker 1>up and fight back. I'm not worried. I'm not worried

0:29:20.160 --> 0:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>about I just don't want to buy to quit. Yeah,

0:29:22.280 --> 0:29:24.040
<v Speaker 1>I don't. I don't think you got any quitters on

0:29:24.080 --> 0:29:26.000
<v Speaker 1>this team. I don't think they quit. I don't think

0:29:26.000 --> 0:29:28.760
<v Speaker 1>they quit this past Sunday. I think they just got there. Yeah,

0:29:28.800 --> 0:29:32.480
<v Speaker 1>But will you say what you want to Well, I

0:29:32.600 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>just said we were just was we was. We didn't scheme, right.

0:29:35.640 --> 0:29:37.800
<v Speaker 1>I think they were thinking about filers. I don't think

0:29:37.800 --> 0:29:39.560
<v Speaker 1>they weren't even worried about it. Now you think this

0:29:39.680 --> 0:29:41.880
<v Speaker 1>game was on on the players or the coaching or

0:29:41.880 --> 0:29:44.480
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of both, a little bit of both. Yeah,

0:29:45.400 --> 0:29:47.720
<v Speaker 1>because I figure they probably figured we're going in thump

0:29:48.120 --> 0:29:51.800
<v Speaker 1>uh dump Dell, you know, and then our backs and

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.080
<v Speaker 1>some of our players backup players need not have the

0:29:54.120 --> 0:29:57.200
<v Speaker 1>attitude today just like the start us. You gotta you

0:29:57.240 --> 0:29:59.760
<v Speaker 1>gotta Clo. Now you're not charl League, You're not Zeke.

0:30:00.080 --> 0:30:02.720
<v Speaker 1>Come on, now, you gotta play like you got something

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:05.120
<v Speaker 1>to polist them instead of playing like you already there

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>a computer quick quick question? Did you watch this when

0:30:09.080 --> 0:30:12.560
<v Speaker 1>the show started? No, I was in the car you missed,

0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:17.520
<v Speaker 1>you missed Tavan Fraser totally dancing to the beat of

0:30:17.600 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 1>your open music when the show started. Oh was it? Yeah?

0:30:21.400 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>He was getting with it. He liked be here y'all.

0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:27.240
<v Speaker 1>Never did give it to Nate to where he could

0:30:27.240 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 1>have it by himself, like the words is it? Let

0:30:30.600 --> 0:30:33.760
<v Speaker 1>me ask for it? Oh, yeah, that's Douglas. What did

0:30:33.760 --> 0:30:37.320
<v Speaker 1>he ask for, Douglas? What did Nate ask for? He

0:30:37.440 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>asked for the beat by itself so we could just

0:30:39.200 --> 0:30:42.200
<v Speaker 1>let it play without the words. Yeah, I've been looking.

0:30:42.640 --> 0:30:46.440
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna find like a like kind of a sleazy

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 1>seventies bed. Every time Nate asks a player, how's your

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>tell me about your lady friend? Wow? So computer, we

0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:00.600
<v Speaker 1>we we had our mid season award that we gave

0:31:00.600 --> 0:31:04.440
<v Speaker 1>out on the show. Uh, last week, let's get yours.

0:31:04.520 --> 0:31:10.400
<v Speaker 1>Who's your who's your offensive MVP? So far? Oh? I

0:31:10.520 --> 0:31:12.360
<v Speaker 1>say the whole office. I give it to all I

0:31:12.360 --> 0:31:14.160
<v Speaker 1>don't want to leave about it out. What come on?

0:31:14.520 --> 0:31:20.080
<v Speaker 1>Sound like I sound like Nate. Give everybody Cosse Cowboys

0:31:20.320 --> 0:31:23.040
<v Speaker 1>every game. I get to that he's been through a lot,

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:25.920
<v Speaker 1>all right, give it to him. Yeah, there you go. Okay,

0:31:26.240 --> 0:31:36.440
<v Speaker 1>defensive MVP so far. Oh, I don't know nobody's I mean,

0:31:36.520 --> 0:31:39.959
<v Speaker 1>nobody has showed up like we need them to show up.

0:31:40.440 --> 0:31:43.000
<v Speaker 1>You know you don't think d Laws showing up David,

0:31:43.480 --> 0:31:46.000
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, but they've been quiet to pay two or

0:31:46.040 --> 0:31:47.560
<v Speaker 1>three games. I wanted to show him we need him

0:31:47.600 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 1>like last he did get a shot last week. Yeah, second,

0:31:51.440 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>and then I mean, gett a farmer, knock somebody down.

0:31:53.560 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 1>You know, we need David Irving to show up just

0:31:55.760 --> 0:31:58.120
<v Speaker 1>he needed to be very disrupted. He need to go

0:31:58.280 --> 0:31:59.920
<v Speaker 1>up the mill on them folds and hit that dude

0:32:00.000 --> 0:32:02.280
<v Speaker 1>and knock them down. Yeah, they definitely need the defensive

0:32:02.320 --> 0:32:05.360
<v Speaker 1>line to bring it this week. But about your I

0:32:05.440 --> 0:32:08.000
<v Speaker 1>like our new cornerbacks. I like how those kids play.

0:32:08.040 --> 0:32:09.800
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't like a lot of people talking about all

0:32:09.800 --> 0:32:11.680
<v Speaker 1>the wars that left the reason why all those people

0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:15.040
<v Speaker 1>level wards because they didn't show up in that playoff game.

0:32:15.200 --> 0:32:18.160
<v Speaker 1>And mister Jones and mister Jones and mister McClay would

0:32:18.280 --> 0:32:20.720
<v Speaker 1>kind of upset that they didn't show up. You know,

0:32:21.720 --> 0:32:23.520
<v Speaker 1>it's good to play when everything's going good, but we

0:32:23.600 --> 0:32:25.200
<v Speaker 1>need them to show up in that playoff game. They

0:32:25.240 --> 0:32:27.600
<v Speaker 1>gave it Rodder too much time that aut of them

0:32:27.640 --> 0:32:30.920
<v Speaker 1>receivers running around like that. I mean, you know, and

0:32:31.000 --> 0:32:34.520
<v Speaker 1>then they wanted to lead, you know, because those players

0:32:34.560 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 1>that left couldn't handle the pressure playing for the Cowboys.

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>They go somewhere else and they played better because it's

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 1>not the pressure on them to be the man. When

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.920
<v Speaker 1>you come to Doallas, you gotta be able to all right,

0:32:44.480 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you gotta play your position, but then you gotta be

0:32:46.200 --> 0:32:48.040
<v Speaker 1>able to hand that pressure playing for the Cowboys, and

0:32:48.040 --> 0:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>a lot of players can't hauling it handing it. I

0:32:50.560 --> 0:32:52.440
<v Speaker 1>think the yances that we got in the draft, they

0:32:52.480 --> 0:32:54.480
<v Speaker 1>are dogs. I think they can hand that. They're not

0:32:54.760 --> 0:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>the light is not blinding them. You know, couldn't Church,

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:04.040
<v Speaker 1>couldn't be wood Darren Woodson, you know so, But yeah, well, computer,

0:33:04.280 --> 0:33:06.400
<v Speaker 1>we gotta let you go because we have another very

0:33:06.440 --> 0:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>special guest in the studio with us. Chris Hall is

0:33:10.520 --> 0:33:13.240
<v Speaker 1>sitting here with Chris, what is what exactly is your title?

0:33:14.360 --> 0:33:18.600
<v Speaker 1>I am the assistant director of college scouting. Okay, so

0:33:18.760 --> 0:33:21.479
<v Speaker 1>we wouldn't kick you off for very many people tell Tim,

0:33:21.640 --> 0:33:24.120
<v Speaker 1>you haven't need any scouting in the Mississippi. I got

0:33:24.200 --> 0:33:26.760
<v Speaker 1>worried on all the SEC schools in the surrounding areas.

0:33:26.760 --> 0:33:28.640
<v Speaker 1>So if he needed anybody to go check himbody out,

0:33:29.160 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Holliday Shannon and I go check him out, a GEI

0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:35.240
<v Speaker 1>little info anything you need. Oh yeah, I got deeper.

0:33:35.280 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 1>I got people running around, and I'm telling something now

0:33:37.360 --> 0:33:40.320
<v Speaker 1>that gut. We signed Candid City that played at Northeast

0:33:40.520 --> 0:33:45.960
<v Speaker 1>Community College up there. Oh he's good, he's good him,

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:49.800
<v Speaker 1>he said, that's why we signed him. Oh yeah, I

0:33:49.840 --> 0:33:51.360
<v Speaker 1>know y'all. Y'all did a great job with him. I

0:33:51.440 --> 0:33:54.360
<v Speaker 1>hadn't had watched him up there at Northeast. Easy, he

0:33:54.480 --> 0:33:57.760
<v Speaker 1>pretty Tim Bourns like he came out I SEC and

0:33:57.800 --> 0:34:00.160
<v Speaker 1>went to Miami. Hey, we had pretty good luck the

0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:02.320
<v Speaker 1>last guy we stole from the Chiefs on the D line.

0:34:02.400 --> 0:34:04.840
<v Speaker 1>So we'll see where yea y'all do. Yeah, yeah, y'all scout.

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>Y'all doing a great, great, great, great job. I don't

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.640
<v Speaker 1>keep y'all bringing in which I've been doing. I've read

0:34:09.760 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 1>proud of y'all. We appreciate it. Cowboy Nation got y'all back,

0:34:13.360 --> 0:34:15.919
<v Speaker 1>appreciate your support. All right, Computer, we'll get y'all into

0:34:16.000 --> 0:34:18.160
<v Speaker 1>your future. Man, y'all, Man, y'all take care of all right,

0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:23.520
<v Speaker 1>Go Cowboys. That was Computer of three six Mafia fame,

0:34:24.120 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>huge Cowboys fan. Have you ever met him, Chris? I

0:34:26.640 --> 0:34:28.560
<v Speaker 1>have not. No, he's been out the camp a couple

0:34:28.600 --> 0:34:31.239
<v Speaker 1>of times. Not not really your genre. You're more of

0:34:31.960 --> 0:34:34.600
<v Speaker 1>a rocker, right, a little heavier? Yes? Did you know

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:37.600
<v Speaker 1>Kurt's a big metal hill? Yes? Okay. If y'all ever

0:34:37.640 --> 0:34:39.520
<v Speaker 1>been to a concert together, we have been at the

0:34:39.560 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>same concert, yes, okay several times. What's the both of you?

0:34:43.280 --> 0:34:47.440
<v Speaker 1>What's the best rock concert you've ever been to? For me,

0:34:47.520 --> 0:34:50.200
<v Speaker 1>it was Raged against the Machine? Really when and where?

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:54.680
<v Speaker 1>It's probably ninety eight ninety nine star Plex. Okay. It

0:34:54.760 --> 0:34:56.520
<v Speaker 1>was an amazing show. I've never been in a song

0:34:56.600 --> 0:34:59.600
<v Speaker 1>on the Matrix soundtrack. I don't know they think so.

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:01.719
<v Speaker 1>I've never been in a show that had such just

0:35:02.000 --> 0:35:04.719
<v Speaker 1>the crowd of just power crazy. It was just you

0:35:04.760 --> 0:35:06.479
<v Speaker 1>could feel it. It was great, but about just because

0:35:06.560 --> 0:35:10.720
<v Speaker 1>Kurt was there. It definitely because Kurt was there. Mine

0:35:10.800 --> 0:35:13.560
<v Speaker 1>was probably the first time I saw Iron Maiden back

0:35:13.600 --> 0:35:17.160
<v Speaker 1>in nineteen eighty six on the Power Slave tour. Wow.

0:35:19.120 --> 0:35:21.760
<v Speaker 1>Where was that at? I was at Lake Front Arena

0:35:21.880 --> 0:35:25.000
<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans. Okay, where are you from? All over

0:35:25.120 --> 0:35:31.960
<v Speaker 1>the place? Mine is? Probably the coolest concert I've ever

0:35:32.040 --> 0:35:34.879
<v Speaker 1>been to was Three Days Grace. They played at back

0:35:34.960 --> 0:35:37.720
<v Speaker 1>when we were at Valley Ranch. Right up the street.

0:35:37.840 --> 0:35:41.040
<v Speaker 1>They had a little sports bar right by that gas station.

0:35:41.120 --> 0:35:43.120
<v Speaker 1>It's an Indian food restaurant at the bottom of the

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:45.560
<v Speaker 1>hill when you would come down to Valley Ranch. The

0:35:45.680 --> 0:35:48.000
<v Speaker 1>guy that owned it was from Canada, and somehow knew

0:35:48.040 --> 0:35:51.440
<v Speaker 1>those guys from from Canada. And the place only held

0:35:51.480 --> 0:35:53.280
<v Speaker 1>like one hundred and fifty people, and they were selling

0:35:53.320 --> 0:35:55.920
<v Speaker 1>ten dollars tickets. Me and my buddy went. It was

0:35:56.000 --> 0:35:58.960
<v Speaker 1>so cool. But probably the best show I've ever been

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>to was probably Metallic. Yeah. They played at AC the

0:36:01.920 --> 0:36:04.359
<v Speaker 1>American Airline Center about six years ago in the round.

0:36:04.600 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 1>That was really cool. I couldn't hear for five I

0:36:06.360 --> 0:36:08.279
<v Speaker 1>was at that one too. Kurt was there too? Were

0:36:08.360 --> 0:36:10.080
<v Speaker 1>you there? I think I was at that one, but

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:12.719
<v Speaker 1>we were. We were both at the recent one. How

0:36:12.840 --> 0:36:15.239
<v Speaker 1>was that was it good? It was good? I was

0:36:15.320 --> 0:36:17.520
<v Speaker 1>worried because it was so big they might lose something.

0:36:17.600 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 1>I thought it was good. I was fortunate enough to

0:36:19.960 --> 0:36:21.799
<v Speaker 1>be stuck down in the snake pit for that one,

0:36:21.880 --> 0:36:26.360
<v Speaker 1>so whole different perspective on up close I could imagine.

0:36:26.560 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 1>I could imagine those guys still bring it too. Yeah,

0:36:29.360 --> 0:36:32.640
<v Speaker 1>so let's talk some scouting and some football. Kurt, you

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.919
<v Speaker 1>you're the football stats guy on this on this show, well,

0:36:37.160 --> 0:36:39.879
<v Speaker 1>I guess I know you're more college guy. But can

0:36:39.920 --> 0:36:42.759
<v Speaker 1>we first kind of on the pro scouting side. I mean,

0:36:43.760 --> 0:36:45.880
<v Speaker 1>I've always wondered, you just signed this kid off the

0:36:46.400 --> 0:36:49.919
<v Speaker 1>practice squad, how do you have any idea he's any

0:36:50.000 --> 0:36:51.839
<v Speaker 1>good at this point? I mean, you haven't seen him

0:36:51.880 --> 0:36:55.439
<v Speaker 1>play in months, right. It's those are the tricky things

0:36:55.600 --> 0:36:58.000
<v Speaker 1>that want with our pro department and what they do.

0:36:58.280 --> 0:37:02.160
<v Speaker 1>They do a phenomenal job of of canvassing everybody's practice

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:06.040
<v Speaker 1>squad and looking at the few snaps that these guys

0:37:06.120 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>may have had in preseason games. I mean, some of

0:37:08.400 --> 0:37:10.759
<v Speaker 1>these guys might only play twenty thirty snaps in a

0:37:10.840 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 1>preseason game, and you've got a college history on him,

0:37:14.280 --> 0:37:17.680
<v Speaker 1>and you're making judgments over just a very little bit

0:37:17.719 --> 0:37:21.040
<v Speaker 1>of fourth quarter action in preseason games. So it's kind

0:37:21.080 --> 0:37:24.440
<v Speaker 1>of tricky. You know, this kid we just signed, He's

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:26.960
<v Speaker 1>a big guy who fits the need that we have.

0:37:27.160 --> 0:37:30.080
<v Speaker 1>We're always looking at defensive lineman. You can never have enough.

0:37:30.480 --> 0:37:34.560
<v Speaker 1>That's Daniel Ross, yes exactly. And you know, his backgrounds

0:37:34.600 --> 0:37:36.759
<v Speaker 1>really interesting. He was a junior college player who went

0:37:36.840 --> 0:37:39.399
<v Speaker 1>up to Canada for a couple of years and made

0:37:39.440 --> 0:37:44.319
<v Speaker 1>it through the Texans roster this August and was ended

0:37:44.360 --> 0:37:46.719
<v Speaker 1>up in Kansas City and there was enough there that

0:37:46.880 --> 0:37:49.480
<v Speaker 1>our guys saw that thought there was something that he

0:37:49.520 --> 0:37:51.320
<v Speaker 1>could fit in with with the group of guys that

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.440
<v Speaker 1>we have, and let coach Marinelli go to work on him.

0:37:54.239 --> 0:37:56.680
<v Speaker 1>How long have you been with the team? I started

0:37:56.719 --> 0:37:59.280
<v Speaker 1>with a team back in nineteen ninety, right out of college.

0:37:59.280 --> 0:38:01.520
<v Speaker 1>So this is my twenty eighth season with the team.

0:38:01.680 --> 0:38:06.239
<v Speaker 1>And what exactly, So for people that don't know what

0:38:06.480 --> 0:38:09.000
<v Speaker 1>you do, how can you kind of give them a

0:38:09.320 --> 0:38:13.319
<v Speaker 1>fifty thousand foot sure view of it? The basic gist

0:38:13.400 --> 0:38:15.560
<v Speaker 1>of what I do is help organize all of our

0:38:15.600 --> 0:38:20.640
<v Speaker 1>college scouting information and get our draft board prepared for

0:38:20.760 --> 0:38:24.800
<v Speaker 1>all the different things that go into that throughout you know,

0:38:24.920 --> 0:38:27.960
<v Speaker 1>really starting the May right after the draft is when

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.120
<v Speaker 1>we start in on the draft process for the next year.

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:34.879
<v Speaker 1>We belong to a scouting service that kind of gives

0:38:34.920 --> 0:38:37.839
<v Speaker 1>us a springboard list, and we kind of go from there.

0:38:37.920 --> 0:38:39.279
<v Speaker 1>We do a little bit of work on that over

0:38:39.360 --> 0:38:42.279
<v Speaker 1>the summer, and then we get into camp and we

0:38:42.360 --> 0:38:44.319
<v Speaker 1>study our team a little bit to have a better

0:38:44.400 --> 0:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>idea where we think we might be short coming up

0:38:47.000 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 1>next year, and our scouts start canvas in the road.

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>In August, we go to training camps and colleges while

0:38:54.040 --> 0:38:57.959
<v Speaker 1>they're preparing for their season two, and then we spend

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:02.719
<v Speaker 1>the entire fall watching college practice, watching games, talking to

0:39:02.800 --> 0:39:06.880
<v Speaker 1>as many sources as we can at college campuses, and uh,

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:10.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, building our building our database, or really shrinking it.

0:39:10.360 --> 0:39:12.919
<v Speaker 1>At that point. We start off with, you know, about

0:39:13.000 --> 0:39:15.040
<v Speaker 1>eight hundred names on that list, and it'll grow to

0:39:15.280 --> 0:39:18.680
<v Speaker 1>anywhere from eleven to twelve hundred, and ultimately we shrink

0:39:18.719 --> 0:39:20.880
<v Speaker 1>it back down to about one hundred and fifty to

0:39:20.920 --> 0:39:22.960
<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventy guys that we leave on our

0:39:23.040 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 1>draft board, and then probably another one hundred and fifty

0:39:27.160 --> 0:39:30.200
<v Speaker 1>that we would consider as rookie free agents. So the

0:39:30.400 --> 0:39:33.520
<v Speaker 1>Cowboys were the first organization in the NFL to use

0:39:33.640 --> 0:39:39.680
<v Speaker 1>computers to harness computers for scouting and draft and you're

0:39:39.800 --> 0:39:45.560
<v Speaker 1>now the point man inheriting that tradition. Yeah, a little bit.

0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>It's interesting, you know, to see how the Cowboy computer

0:39:50.800 --> 0:39:52.960
<v Speaker 1>has evolved over the years that I've been here, from

0:39:53.000 --> 0:39:57.560
<v Speaker 1>an old three eighty six desktop to all the magnificent

0:39:57.680 --> 0:39:59.440
<v Speaker 1>new stuff that we have in the war room with

0:39:59.640 --> 0:40:03.640
<v Speaker 1>touch technology and being able to open screens multiple things

0:40:03.719 --> 0:40:06.160
<v Speaker 1>on one look, and just it's amazing the amount of

0:40:06.239 --> 0:40:09.399
<v Speaker 1>information that's literally available at your fingertips now. And you're

0:40:09.560 --> 0:40:12.840
<v Speaker 1>in the war room on draft day. Rap, what is

0:40:13.480 --> 0:40:15.680
<v Speaker 1>you have? The years that you've been here for that

0:40:15.800 --> 0:40:19.080
<v Speaker 1>long period of time, you have bound to have seen

0:40:19.239 --> 0:40:23.040
<v Speaker 1>some awesome stuff. What is the what is the best

0:40:23.080 --> 0:40:25.920
<v Speaker 1>story that you're able to tell? Yeah, you're able to

0:40:25.960 --> 0:40:29.080
<v Speaker 1>tell there's there's the right there able to tell that

0:40:30.080 --> 0:40:34.560
<v Speaker 1>drop off story quality. We've had some really good ones.

0:40:34.640 --> 0:40:37.160
<v Speaker 1>One of the I think one of the greatest ones

0:40:37.400 --> 0:40:42.480
<v Speaker 1>was back when we maneuvered around for the Roy Williams trade. Um,

0:40:42.920 --> 0:40:48.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, Jerry was amazingly working three different phones at

0:40:48.520 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 1>the same time between Minnesota, Kansas City, and Jacksonville, and

0:40:54.040 --> 0:40:56.719
<v Speaker 1>he ended up maneuvering getting an extra pick out of it,

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:58.600
<v Speaker 1>and we knew who each team was going to take,

0:40:58.960 --> 0:41:02.040
<v Speaker 1>and the trade came right down to the last minute,

0:41:02.080 --> 0:41:05.120
<v Speaker 1>and the people on TV thought we passed because we

0:41:05.200 --> 0:41:07.160
<v Speaker 1>didn't get the deal in on time, and it actually

0:41:07.280 --> 0:41:11.200
<v Speaker 1>wasn't our pick, and it literary got right down to

0:41:11.280 --> 0:41:13.759
<v Speaker 1>the wire and I had to remind Steven that, hey,

0:41:14.000 --> 0:41:15.600
<v Speaker 1>you got to call the league office and put the

0:41:15.680 --> 0:41:18.239
<v Speaker 1>trade in since were the ones with the pick. And

0:41:18.440 --> 0:41:21.600
<v Speaker 1>literally he jumped over the telephone cord. We saw a

0:41:21.680 --> 0:41:24.360
<v Speaker 1>telephone cords rolling all over the place. He had to

0:41:24.440 --> 0:41:27.000
<v Speaker 1>jump over the cord and really got the trade in

0:41:27.160 --> 0:41:28.600
<v Speaker 1>right at the end of the deal. And then that

0:41:28.760 --> 0:41:31.239
<v Speaker 1>caused all kinds of panic on ESPN. They didn't know

0:41:31.360 --> 0:41:34.719
<v Speaker 1>who had the pick, if it was Kansas City or Minnesota,

0:41:34.920 --> 0:41:38.200
<v Speaker 1>and guys were trying to turn cards in and long

0:41:38.239 --> 0:41:39.960
<v Speaker 1>and the shorter was. It turned out that I think

0:41:40.000 --> 0:41:42.400
<v Speaker 1>everybody got the player they wanted in that deal anyway,

0:41:42.520 --> 0:41:44.799
<v Speaker 1>when it didn't. Something similar happening with Whitton too, where

0:41:45.040 --> 0:41:47.400
<v Speaker 1>Jerry somehow got the other teams to tell they like

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:48.840
<v Speaker 1>they wanted to trade up to get him, and they

0:41:48.920 --> 0:41:51.360
<v Speaker 1>told him the other you got the other team to

0:41:51.680 --> 0:41:54.359
<v Speaker 1>reel They were gonna draft wittn or submit. Maybe I'm

0:41:54.360 --> 0:41:56.680
<v Speaker 1>wrong with that. I don't remember that wasn't that one?

0:41:57.040 --> 0:41:59.160
<v Speaker 1>Well you would know better than I would, Yeah, it was.

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:01.520
<v Speaker 1>We've had some other interesting ones in there, you know.

0:42:01.760 --> 0:42:06.200
<v Speaker 1>So it's it's been. It's been a long strange journey

0:42:06.239 --> 0:42:08.319
<v Speaker 1>into war room, to say at least. Another good one

0:42:08.440 --> 0:42:12.279
<v Speaker 1>was this year when uh, thanks to somebody back here

0:42:12.320 --> 0:42:15.400
<v Speaker 1>in the technology room, we ended up getting a our

0:42:15.480 --> 0:42:20.000
<v Speaker 1>war room phone number was out the wonder on the internet.

0:42:21.320 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 1>I think that somebody put a really nice thing on

0:42:23.640 --> 0:42:26.239
<v Speaker 1>Twitter except our phone number was Yeah, I wonder who

0:42:26.320 --> 0:42:28.960
<v Speaker 1>that could have been. Well, you're started this for the

0:42:29.040 --> 0:42:33.480
<v Speaker 1>technology section. Oh this is not so what It was

0:42:33.560 --> 0:42:35.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of I mean, we look back and laugh at

0:42:35.520 --> 0:42:37.640
<v Speaker 1>it now, but we kept getting all these calls in there,

0:42:38.000 --> 0:42:42.080
<v Speaker 1>and it was, you know, fans basically suggesting what we

0:42:42.120 --> 0:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>should be doing, and Jerry and Stephen are always the

0:42:44.520 --> 0:42:47.239
<v Speaker 1>ones that pick up the phone, and and after a

0:42:47.320 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 1>while it was kind of like, Okay, something's fishy. How

0:42:49.960 --> 0:42:53.560
<v Speaker 1>are these people getting our number? And we realized that

0:42:53.719 --> 0:42:55.560
<v Speaker 1>it was out on a Twitter post that we had

0:42:55.600 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 1>put of just you know, a nice helmet shot and

0:42:58.080 --> 0:43:01.080
<v Speaker 1>kind of styling for the room and we quickly got

0:43:01.160 --> 0:43:04.319
<v Speaker 1>that fixed. Yeah, he did, he did. Luckily, no one

0:43:04.440 --> 0:43:07.400
<v Speaker 1>lost their job over that. Yeah. I was there when

0:43:07.480 --> 0:43:10.279
<v Speaker 1>that went down. Yeah, there was some tense moment with

0:43:10.440 --> 0:43:13.000
<v Speaker 1>its running through the building. Go who the hell runs

0:43:13.080 --> 0:43:16.840
<v Speaker 1>the Twitter account? Who runs the Twitter account? Now, I

0:43:16.880 --> 0:43:18.279
<v Speaker 1>don't know if you guys know this or not, but

0:43:18.440 --> 0:43:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Jerry had had a pretty good zang back at the

0:43:21.520 --> 0:43:23.759
<v Speaker 1>end of that. After we got it fixed, he picked

0:43:23.840 --> 0:43:26.040
<v Speaker 1>up the phone again and acted like somebody had got

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:30.120
<v Speaker 1>through again, and and he was kind of stringing us

0:43:30.160 --> 0:43:32.880
<v Speaker 1>along like there was a trade going on or something.

0:43:33.360 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 1>And Steven's trying to figure out what's going on. We're

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:37.200
<v Speaker 1>all looking at him like what's up. He just kind

0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:42.600
<v Speaker 1>of goes, I'm just messing with it. Was it was fun. Now, Nick,

0:43:42.960 --> 0:43:45.920
<v Speaker 1>there you go. Nick Eatmon told me a story, and

0:43:46.120 --> 0:43:47.520
<v Speaker 1>you tell me whether you can tell it or not.

0:43:47.719 --> 0:43:52.200
<v Speaker 1>He said, you had a really fun story about DeMarco Murray. Yeah.

0:43:52.480 --> 0:43:54.440
<v Speaker 1>That was for me. That was one of my my

0:43:54.760 --> 0:43:58.839
<v Speaker 1>I guess, prouder moments in my scouting business, the things

0:43:58.880 --> 0:44:00.920
<v Speaker 1>that I've been able to be a part of directly

0:44:01.040 --> 0:44:05.480
<v Speaker 1>with players. And uh, you know, we had DeMarco had

0:44:05.520 --> 0:44:07.120
<v Speaker 1>kind of slid down a little bit further, and we

0:44:07.520 --> 0:44:10.320
<v Speaker 1>saw where he was and we knew his ability and everything.

0:44:10.400 --> 0:44:13.040
<v Speaker 1>And I was big, big fan of DeMarco's and we

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.759
<v Speaker 1>still had a couple other running backs that were up

0:44:15.800 --> 0:44:17.200
<v Speaker 1>on the board at the time, but we had had

0:44:17.280 --> 0:44:21.319
<v Speaker 1>DeMarco rated ahead of him. And as sometimes will happen

0:44:21.440 --> 0:44:24.560
<v Speaker 1>during draft discussions, you start sliding away from how your

0:44:24.600 --> 0:44:27.400
<v Speaker 1>board might look in there when you're discussing who you

0:44:27.520 --> 0:44:29.480
<v Speaker 1>might want to pick, or if the players are kind

0:44:29.480 --> 0:44:30.799
<v Speaker 1>of even. You know, we do a lot of work

0:44:30.840 --> 0:44:32.960
<v Speaker 1>to get that board put together, and then there's a

0:44:33.040 --> 0:44:36.239
<v Speaker 1>reason that it's stacked the way it is. And one

0:44:36.280 --> 0:44:38.080
<v Speaker 1>of my pet peeves is always when we start to

0:44:38.120 --> 0:44:41.160
<v Speaker 1>slide away from that a little bit. What was kind

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:42.800
<v Speaker 1>of going that way? And I was kind of bristling

0:44:42.840 --> 0:44:46.080
<v Speaker 1>in my chair, and we'd got Coachwitzer on the phone

0:44:46.120 --> 0:44:48.239
<v Speaker 1>to talk about him, and Barry did a really good

0:44:48.280 --> 0:44:51.120
<v Speaker 1>cell job with him too, And I remember Coach Garrett

0:44:51.160 --> 0:44:53.160
<v Speaker 1>looked over at me and he asked, he said, Okay,

0:44:53.800 --> 0:44:55.960
<v Speaker 1>is this guy gonna get the tough yards for us?

0:44:56.160 --> 0:44:59.040
<v Speaker 1>Is he going to score when it's it's January And

0:44:59.120 --> 0:45:01.440
<v Speaker 1>we're in the metal land ends and we gotta we

0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:03.840
<v Speaker 1>got to score a touchdown to win the game. And

0:45:04.080 --> 0:45:07.319
<v Speaker 1>I can't repeat exactly what I said, but I basically said,

0:45:08.360 --> 0:45:11.680
<v Speaker 1>give him the ball and running behind that big number

0:45:11.719 --> 0:45:14.279
<v Speaker 1>seventy seven that we just drafted, and he'll score every time.

0:45:14.800 --> 0:45:17.320
<v Speaker 1>Perfect And I had enough. I don't know if that was,

0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you know, the finding thing that made us do it,

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:22.000
<v Speaker 1>but it was, you know, I was hot at the

0:45:22.080 --> 0:45:25.800
<v Speaker 1>time I took him and obviously had you know, the

0:45:25.880 --> 0:45:28.279
<v Speaker 1>best rushing season in the history that it's kind of

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:30.920
<v Speaker 1>the ongoing struggle for y'all, isn't Because the coaches have

0:45:31.040 --> 0:45:33.719
<v Speaker 1>one thing in mine and the scouts they have their

0:45:33.760 --> 0:45:35.880
<v Speaker 1>board and they kind of have their own series. Is

0:45:35.880 --> 0:45:39.200
<v Speaker 1>it hard to balance sometimes? Well, I'll say this, We've

0:45:39.280 --> 0:45:41.759
<v Speaker 1>we've done a great job the last few years of

0:45:41.960 --> 0:45:46.480
<v Speaker 1>really getting together and fostering our relationship with the coaching staff,

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:49.560
<v Speaker 1>and we've learned a lot from them. They've learned a

0:45:49.600 --> 0:45:51.440
<v Speaker 1>lot from us on how we do our work, and

0:45:51.480 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>I think there's a much bigger appreciation now for how

0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:57.839
<v Speaker 1>each one of us work. And over the last few years,

0:45:57.960 --> 0:46:01.520
<v Speaker 1>under Will mcclay's guidance, we've we've really made a conscious

0:46:01.560 --> 0:46:04.240
<v Speaker 1>effort to get these two groups together in the spring

0:46:04.880 --> 0:46:09.279
<v Speaker 1>watch tape together, study together, work players out together, really

0:46:09.320 --> 0:46:11.279
<v Speaker 1>get to know the guys so that that we have

0:46:11.440 --> 0:46:14.080
<v Speaker 1>fewer of those well they like him and we don't

0:46:14.120 --> 0:46:16.719
<v Speaker 1>like him, or we're not quite sure about this guy.

0:46:17.400 --> 0:46:21.560
<v Speaker 1>You know, you're always going to have some some indecision,

0:46:21.719 --> 0:46:23.640
<v Speaker 1>and you're gonna have a scout that likes a guy

0:46:23.719 --> 0:46:26.399
<v Speaker 1>better than another scout, or you know, there's always gonna

0:46:26.480 --> 0:46:30.000
<v Speaker 1>there's not gonna be perfect agreement on everybody, but you

0:46:30.160 --> 0:46:32.200
<v Speaker 1>hope to get everybody as close to the same page

0:46:32.200 --> 0:46:34.360
<v Speaker 1>and seeing and looking at the same things, and just

0:46:34.440 --> 0:46:36.439
<v Speaker 1>as importantly how they're going to fit into our roster

0:46:36.560 --> 0:46:38.840
<v Speaker 1>and how we're going to use the player, and ultimately

0:46:38.880 --> 0:46:40.960
<v Speaker 1>that's that's the coach's decision how they do that. So

0:46:41.080 --> 0:46:43.239
<v Speaker 1>you don't ever want to give the coach as a

0:46:43.320 --> 0:46:45.640
<v Speaker 1>player that maybe they don't have the same vision for

0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:48.840
<v Speaker 1>that you do. So you know that that usually ends poorly.

0:46:48.880 --> 0:46:52.080
<v Speaker 1>As I've seen about the years of twenty five plus

0:46:52.200 --> 0:46:54.560
<v Speaker 1>years of doing this, you know, when we've had situations

0:46:54.640 --> 0:46:56.920
<v Speaker 1>like that, it usually doesn't work out very well. Do

0:46:57.040 --> 0:47:00.239
<v Speaker 1>you have I'm sure you have each draft, you kind

0:47:00.280 --> 0:47:01.719
<v Speaker 1>of fall in love with the guy, and you like

0:47:02.280 --> 0:47:04.719
<v Speaker 1>certain guys that you know you would like to see

0:47:04.760 --> 0:47:07.680
<v Speaker 1>the team draft for certain reasons or whatever. Do you

0:47:08.239 --> 0:47:10.600
<v Speaker 1>does that guy follow you so like in your case

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:13.480
<v Speaker 1>DeMarco Murray, you really like DeMarco and you kind of

0:47:13.520 --> 0:47:16.280
<v Speaker 1>made a stand for him. Does that kind of follow

0:47:16.360 --> 0:47:18.359
<v Speaker 1>you around and people are like, that was Hall's guy?

0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:20.840
<v Speaker 1>Or is it just kind of like a team effort?

0:47:20.880 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 1>And it's really really, I can't say this enough, it's

0:47:25.120 --> 0:47:27.440
<v Speaker 1>it's such a team effort. By the time we get

0:47:27.520 --> 0:47:29.680
<v Speaker 1>to the draft room and where the guys are on

0:47:29.760 --> 0:47:33.960
<v Speaker 1>the board, there are guys it's not Kurt drafted that guy,

0:47:34.080 --> 0:47:37.040
<v Speaker 1>or Shannon drafted that guy, or that was Chris's pick.

0:47:37.160 --> 0:47:39.400
<v Speaker 1>I mean they kind of do that in baseball, don't they,

0:47:39.440 --> 0:47:41.600
<v Speaker 1>Where the scouts really get more they get credit for

0:47:41.719 --> 0:47:43.480
<v Speaker 1>finding a guy. You know, I think so, But I

0:47:43.600 --> 0:47:45.799
<v Speaker 1>think also if you if you look at baseball, man,

0:47:45.920 --> 0:47:49.200
<v Speaker 1>you're talking about high school kids and college kids and

0:47:49.760 --> 0:47:53.600
<v Speaker 1>all ages and years, and there's so many more scouts

0:47:53.640 --> 0:47:57.080
<v Speaker 1>and it's so much more. A guy's really dependent on

0:47:57.320 --> 0:48:00.080
<v Speaker 1>finding the guys in his region and then letting the

0:48:00.120 --> 0:48:02.840
<v Speaker 1>cross checker see him as well, But there's more discovery

0:48:02.960 --> 0:48:06.920
<v Speaker 1>I think in baseball and probably other sports to hockey soccer.

0:48:07.600 --> 0:48:09.160
<v Speaker 1>One of the things we kind of talked a little

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.719
<v Speaker 1>bit about this past year's football is really the only

0:48:11.800 --> 0:48:15.040
<v Speaker 1>sport where you don't get to watch these players grow

0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:19.720
<v Speaker 1>up through high school into college or juniors or whatever

0:48:20.360 --> 0:48:23.440
<v Speaker 1>angle they go to. Sometimes, you know, when a junior

0:48:23.520 --> 0:48:25.640
<v Speaker 1>comes out, we may only have four or five months

0:48:25.719 --> 0:48:27.920
<v Speaker 1>of exposure to this guy if he just kind of

0:48:27.960 --> 0:48:30.319
<v Speaker 1>came out of the woodwork, and you've got to get

0:48:30.320 --> 0:48:31.680
<v Speaker 1>to know all you can about a guy in a

0:48:31.760 --> 0:48:35.600
<v Speaker 1>four month period, whereas a basketball scout may have seen

0:48:35.640 --> 0:48:37.400
<v Speaker 1>the kid playing high school, he may have been to

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:40.719
<v Speaker 1>five or six of his games, watched him practice eight

0:48:40.800 --> 0:48:43.320
<v Speaker 1>to ten times. Same thing with a baseball player, a pitcher,

0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:46.160
<v Speaker 1>you know, you've probably seen that guy throw ten twelve

0:48:46.239 --> 0:48:49.399
<v Speaker 1>times before you're going to really get behind him and everything. Well,

0:48:49.440 --> 0:48:52.319
<v Speaker 1>with us, that's hard to do. Our guys, we may

0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:54.960
<v Speaker 1>only see a guy play one game, or be on

0:48:55.080 --> 0:48:57.880
<v Speaker 1>campus a couple of times to see him practice, and

0:48:58.040 --> 0:49:00.880
<v Speaker 1>that's all just within the scope of less than a

0:49:00.960 --> 0:49:03.160
<v Speaker 1>year of when you first see him and when when

0:49:03.200 --> 0:49:05.560
<v Speaker 1>you have to draft him. Make a decision about who

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.759
<v Speaker 1>this twenty one or twenty two year old person is.

0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:11.200
<v Speaker 1>So over over the twenty eight years you've dealt with Jimmy,

0:49:11.960 --> 0:49:18.160
<v Speaker 1>Barry Parcels. Uh, how are those How are those guys? Oh,

0:49:18.280 --> 0:49:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Wade can't get any love here? Well, I'm just thinking

0:49:20.520 --> 0:49:23.200
<v Speaker 1>about the personality. Garrett can't even get in there. Well,

0:49:23.320 --> 0:49:25.879
<v Speaker 1>come on, Douglas, And if he wants to go that direction, sure,

0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:29.960
<v Speaker 1>But I was wanted these the three, you know, big personalities,

0:49:30.000 --> 0:49:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and how that how they interacted with the scouting department,

0:49:33.680 --> 0:49:37.279
<v Speaker 1>Um comparatively, Yeah, they were all. They were all very different. Um.

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 1>You know with Jimmy, he came in with his coaching

0:49:41.560 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 1>staff and they had an unbelievable advant two unbelievable advantages

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:47.840
<v Speaker 1>when they got here. We had a boatloaded draft picks

0:49:48.760 --> 0:49:52.400
<v Speaker 1>and they had recruited the majority of these guys that

0:49:52.480 --> 0:49:53.960
<v Speaker 1>were going to be in the first few drafts that

0:49:54.040 --> 0:49:57.680
<v Speaker 1>they had all this ammunition for. So they knew their guys.

0:49:57.840 --> 0:50:01.080
<v Speaker 1>They were coming into the to the NFL in a

0:50:01.200 --> 0:50:04.320
<v Speaker 1>different way. Jimmy Prott kind of a different defensive scheme.

0:50:04.440 --> 0:50:07.840
<v Speaker 1>The fast, speedy or undersized guys. You know that that

0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.680
<v Speaker 1>wasn't where the game was at the time, and he

0:50:10.840 --> 0:50:13.759
<v Speaker 1>was able to take chances on players and especially guys

0:50:13.800 --> 0:50:15.800
<v Speaker 1>that he knew from Miami, you know, the Darren Smiths

0:50:15.840 --> 0:50:20.120
<v Speaker 1>of the world, Darren Woodson. These guys were undersized players

0:50:20.120 --> 0:50:23.200
<v Speaker 1>at their positions that could run, and that was the

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:27.520
<v Speaker 1>biggest thing back then. It was speed, not size and power,

0:50:27.640 --> 0:50:29.040
<v Speaker 1>like a lot of what was going on in the

0:50:29.120 --> 0:50:32.160
<v Speaker 1>league at the time. But Jimmy had a great, a

0:50:32.280 --> 0:50:34.759
<v Speaker 1>great dictionary if you will, of what was coming into

0:50:34.760 --> 0:50:37.560
<v Speaker 1>the league, and we had all those picks. You know,

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:39.680
<v Speaker 1>people forget the ones that didn't pan out, or the

0:50:39.760 --> 0:50:42.200
<v Speaker 1>fact that we traded five of them for Stan's Magala

0:50:44.480 --> 0:50:47.640
<v Speaker 1>exactly or Dame Safety. There you go. So then you know,

0:50:47.719 --> 0:50:49.600
<v Speaker 1>when Barry came in, Barry had been out of the

0:50:49.680 --> 0:50:51.560
<v Speaker 1>game for a little bit and he was just kind

0:50:51.600 --> 0:50:54.120
<v Speaker 1>of he was a little bit of a caretaker with it,

0:50:54.400 --> 0:50:57.920
<v Speaker 1>and he let us do our thing. Larry Layswell was

0:50:57.960 --> 0:51:00.920
<v Speaker 1>our director of the time, and Larry history with Barry

0:51:01.200 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 1>and Jimmy and all of them at the time, and uh,

0:51:04.640 --> 0:51:06.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, Barry kind of let us do our thing,

0:51:06.560 --> 0:51:08.719
<v Speaker 1>and the coaches got a little bit more involved at

0:51:08.800 --> 0:51:11.839
<v Speaker 1>that point in time, and then ironically, when Bill was here,

0:51:12.239 --> 0:51:14.080
<v Speaker 1>he didn't want the coaches to have anything to do

0:51:14.200 --> 0:51:17.000
<v Speaker 1>with the draft. Oh real except him, Oh, he wanted

0:51:17.040 --> 0:51:19.400
<v Speaker 1>to say, And he listened to our guys and our

0:51:19.480 --> 0:51:23.640
<v Speaker 1>veteran guys even more so. But you know, he looked

0:51:23.680 --> 0:51:27.000
<v Speaker 1>at it, whereas, hey, the scouts, they've been following these guys,

0:51:27.040 --> 0:51:29.000
<v Speaker 1>they're they're supposed to be the experts of this. I'm

0:51:29.040 --> 0:51:31.200
<v Speaker 1>going to trust their opinion as opposed to a coach

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:34.120
<v Speaker 1>who you know, may not be putting his all into

0:51:34.200 --> 0:51:36.200
<v Speaker 1>it at the time. Now that's not to say what

0:51:36.360 --> 0:51:40.880
<v Speaker 1>we do now. Our coaches are invested in the process

0:51:40.960 --> 0:51:42.759
<v Speaker 1>and how we go through the spring with them. So

0:51:43.239 --> 0:51:45.479
<v Speaker 1>it was different. Bill didn't want them involved. He wanted

0:51:45.520 --> 0:51:47.960
<v Speaker 1>them coaching. They were a coach, So that was That

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:49.759
<v Speaker 1>was kind of the difference in those three guys. That's

0:51:49.800 --> 0:51:53.080
<v Speaker 1>interesting because he's so famous for complaining that he didn't

0:51:53.120 --> 0:51:56.239
<v Speaker 1>get to buy the groceries in New England, and then

0:51:56.760 --> 0:52:00.160
<v Speaker 1>he walks in and he lets you guys direct them

0:52:00.160 --> 0:52:02.279
<v Speaker 1>on how to buy the groceries. Oh he still he

0:52:02.400 --> 0:52:05.279
<v Speaker 1>still was buying groceries. I don't make any don't make

0:52:05.320 --> 0:52:07.680
<v Speaker 1>any mistake about it. He had his guys, and I

0:52:07.800 --> 0:52:11.080
<v Speaker 1>think I think Bill was you know, he just didn't

0:52:11.120 --> 0:52:14.200
<v Speaker 1>want to draft Terry Glenn up into him. I probably

0:52:14.239 --> 0:52:16.440
<v Speaker 1>had his eyes on somebody else, you know, just like

0:52:16.600 --> 0:52:18.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, there's a big story I won't

0:52:18.880 --> 0:52:20.839
<v Speaker 1>get into, but I mean we ended up getting both

0:52:20.880 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 1>players to Marcus Ware and Marcus Spears, and you know

0:52:24.239 --> 0:52:27.200
<v Speaker 1>he might elect one more than the other. Oh everybody knows. So,

0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:29.920
<v Speaker 1>but tell me this, of those two in that draft,

0:52:30.840 --> 0:52:36.239
<v Speaker 1>where was Aaron Rodgers on everybody's radar? Oh? Man? Um?

0:52:37.120 --> 0:52:39.359
<v Speaker 1>Because what did he go? Like seven or eight picks

0:52:39.400 --> 0:52:42.520
<v Speaker 1>after Spears? Yeah? Because you know he that was the

0:52:42.920 --> 0:52:46.480
<v Speaker 1>one of the infamous first green room freefall experiences. I

0:52:46.600 --> 0:52:49.480
<v Speaker 1>think that was broadcast live on TV. And I think

0:52:49.520 --> 0:52:51.759
<v Speaker 1>he ended up going maybe twenty fourth or twenty six

0:52:52.440 --> 0:52:54.720
<v Speaker 1>something like that, and the Packers finally pulled the trigger

0:52:54.800 --> 0:52:57.200
<v Speaker 1>on him, and you know that's about where we had him.

0:52:57.200 --> 0:52:59.879
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we had a quarterback at the time, I believe,

0:53:00.320 --> 0:53:04.759
<v Speaker 1>And it just it. Quarterbacks are hard to figure out.

0:53:04.880 --> 0:53:07.600
<v Speaker 1>When you've got one, you don't value the guys in

0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:11.160
<v Speaker 1>the draft as much, it seems, but when you need one,

0:53:12.000 --> 0:53:13.480
<v Speaker 1>you might put a little bit of air and all

0:53:14.080 --> 0:53:16.440
<v Speaker 1>to try and find one, because I mean we went

0:53:16.520 --> 0:53:20.040
<v Speaker 1>a long time, you know, with outfielders and shortstops and

0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:23.640
<v Speaker 1>third basemen trying to play quarterback here between Troy and

0:53:24.040 --> 0:53:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Tony when we finally, you know, got the next guy,

0:53:27.920 --> 0:53:31.160
<v Speaker 1>and you know that's still work. Like now that you're

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.880
<v Speaker 1>in the scouting process for next year, do you have

0:53:34.040 --> 0:53:36.439
<v Speaker 1>it like, well, we're gonna need a linebacker, we're gonna

0:53:36.440 --> 0:53:38.719
<v Speaker 1>need this, orre you just covering everything right now? Well,

0:53:38.920 --> 0:53:41.759
<v Speaker 1>you're covering everything right now. You know where your needs are,

0:53:41.880 --> 0:53:43.960
<v Speaker 1>where you think your needs are going to be, maybe

0:53:44.040 --> 0:53:48.520
<v Speaker 1>emphasis on another sure, I mean, you know, we feel

0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:50.640
<v Speaker 1>pretty good about the quarterback that we got right now,

0:53:50.960 --> 0:53:54.839
<v Speaker 1>you know, so are we are? We digging deep, deep, deep,

0:53:54.880 --> 0:53:57.520
<v Speaker 1>deep deep into all these quarterbacks? Maybe not as much

0:53:57.600 --> 0:53:59.800
<v Speaker 1>as we had been. You know, the year that we

0:54:00.040 --> 0:54:02.359
<v Speaker 1>drafted Dak and I mean, I'm sure people have heard

0:54:02.400 --> 0:54:04.600
<v Speaker 1>the story on that now. He wasn't our first choice

0:54:04.800 --> 0:54:07.239
<v Speaker 1>and I'm glad he was the choice that he ended

0:54:07.280 --> 0:54:10.480
<v Speaker 1>up being for us, obviously, but you know, we took

0:54:10.520 --> 0:54:12.080
<v Speaker 1>a look at a lot of other guys that year.

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.920
<v Speaker 1>He was one of many, and uh, you know, it's

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:19.040
<v Speaker 1>worked out well for us. You know things we couldn't

0:54:19.080 --> 0:54:22.439
<v Speaker 1>pull off that. Yeah, talking about dak Um, this team

0:54:22.520 --> 0:54:27.239
<v Speaker 1>hadn't drafted a quarterback for a while. Was did they

0:54:27.360 --> 0:54:30.600
<v Speaker 1>draft did was that draft? Did they have in mind

0:54:30.640 --> 0:54:32.680
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna get a quarterback at some point or was

0:54:32.719 --> 0:54:35.600
<v Speaker 1>it just Okay, we liked this guy, so we're gonna

0:54:35.600 --> 0:54:37.440
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and get a quarterback. How was that kind

0:54:37.480 --> 0:54:41.360
<v Speaker 1>of how did that play out? You know, at the time,

0:54:41.800 --> 0:54:45.279
<v Speaker 1>you know, we didn't think Tony was going to be gone,

0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.360
<v Speaker 1>so we weren't just completely we we knew he was

0:54:48.719 --> 0:54:51.399
<v Speaker 1>coming to the final he was round in third base.

0:54:52.000 --> 0:54:54.880
<v Speaker 1>But sometimes that stretch can last a while before you

0:54:54.920 --> 0:54:57.880
<v Speaker 1>get all the way home. And you know, we we

0:54:58.040 --> 0:55:00.560
<v Speaker 1>did a lot of work on Carson once you know

0:55:00.719 --> 0:55:02.759
<v Speaker 1>we're going to play this week, and Jared goff and

0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:08.200
<v Speaker 1>and Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook and and dak and

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:10.720
<v Speaker 1>all these other guys that were in there. Jeff driscoll,

0:55:10.760 --> 0:55:13.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we really spent a lot of time working

0:55:13.280 --> 0:55:15.600
<v Speaker 1>on those guys because we had obviously we had a

0:55:15.640 --> 0:55:19.719
<v Speaker 1>really high pick and you don't plan on being up there,

0:55:20.400 --> 0:55:23.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, and that is usually the one spot where

0:55:23.520 --> 0:55:26.359
<v Speaker 1>you can I mean, obviously nothing's guaranteed, but you've got

0:55:26.440 --> 0:55:29.640
<v Speaker 1>a better shout at hitting a franchise quarterback up with

0:55:29.760 --> 0:55:33.040
<v Speaker 1>the first four or five picks. And as an organization,

0:55:33.160 --> 0:55:35.560
<v Speaker 1>you never want to be in the first four or

0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:39.240
<v Speaker 1>five picks. So if you're there and there's franchise worthy

0:55:39.320 --> 0:55:41.880
<v Speaker 1>quarterbacks that you think are there, regardless of who's on

0:55:42.000 --> 0:55:44.040
<v Speaker 1>your roster, you got to think about that at that point.

0:55:44.920 --> 0:55:47.680
<v Speaker 1>And we did a lot of thinking about it, and

0:55:48.040 --> 0:55:49.719
<v Speaker 1>we did a lot of travel going to get to

0:55:49.800 --> 0:55:52.600
<v Speaker 1>know these guys, and we were fortunate enough or misfortunate

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:54.560
<v Speaker 1>enough if you look at to coaching the Senior Bowl

0:55:54.640 --> 0:55:57.480
<v Speaker 1>that year and got some extra exposure to these guys.

0:55:57.560 --> 0:56:01.640
<v Speaker 1>So all that really helped us at the end. And

0:56:02.160 --> 0:56:04.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, I certainly don't want to say Dak was

0:56:04.440 --> 0:56:06.719
<v Speaker 1>an afterthought because there was a lot of work put

0:56:06.760 --> 0:56:09.840
<v Speaker 1>into Dak Prescott as well. But the fact that he

0:56:09.920 --> 0:56:12.880
<v Speaker 1>fell down to you know where he did us, you know,

0:56:13.120 --> 0:56:14.919
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the league kind of had that same

0:56:15.200 --> 0:56:19.000
<v Speaker 1>yeah look at him too, you know, so you know,

0:56:19.160 --> 0:56:23.440
<v Speaker 1>you just you get lucky sometimes. What's the biggest change

0:56:23.760 --> 0:56:27.360
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen ninety to now? You've got all kind of

0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:31.520
<v Speaker 1>new technology and stuff. What's the doesn't necessarily have to

0:56:31.560 --> 0:56:33.920
<v Speaker 1>be technology based. But what's the biggest difference between when

0:56:33.960 --> 0:56:36.080
<v Speaker 1>you came into the league and what you guys are

0:56:36.120 --> 0:56:40.320
<v Speaker 1>doing now. Well, technology certainly would be number one. I

0:56:40.400 --> 0:56:42.840
<v Speaker 1>mean when I first came in, our guys were literally

0:56:42.920 --> 0:56:45.680
<v Speaker 1>typing reports or handwritten reports, And of course now we

0:56:45.840 --> 0:56:48.640
<v Speaker 1>have you can write an entire report on your iPhone

0:56:48.680 --> 0:56:50.960
<v Speaker 1>if you want to. Nowadays with our system, you know,

0:56:51.120 --> 0:56:53.000
<v Speaker 1>some of the guys use iPads, some of them use

0:56:53.080 --> 0:56:57.480
<v Speaker 1>touchscreen computers. The technology of the war room is unbelievable now.

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<v Speaker 1>Like I've mentioned earlier, I used to have to hut

0:57:00.239 --> 0:57:03.200
<v Speaker 1>out cardboard cards and magnets, and every time we'd make

0:57:03.239 --> 0:57:05.080
<v Speaker 1>a change, you'd have to make new ones, and you'd

0:57:05.120 --> 0:57:07.360
<v Speaker 1>be doing a whole new set the night before the draft.

0:57:07.480 --> 0:57:10.400
<v Speaker 1>And now everything's digital. Man, I can just slide a

0:57:10.480 --> 0:57:12.400
<v Speaker 1>guy up and down with a touch of a finger

0:57:12.480 --> 0:57:16.400
<v Speaker 1>and rearrange things go together. It's are you the only

0:57:16.440 --> 0:57:18.280
<v Speaker 1>person in the building that knows how to run that board?

0:57:18.800 --> 0:57:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I wish I could say yes, but I'm not sure

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<v Speaker 1>if there's truly anybody in the building that really knows

0:57:23.760 --> 0:57:28.320
<v Speaker 1>about the board. It's still in progress. I mean, it's

0:57:28.400 --> 0:57:31.560
<v Speaker 1>it's fascinating technology, and our guys that Dave Birch and

0:57:31.640 --> 0:57:33.560
<v Speaker 1>Elton and these other guys that work on that, they

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<v Speaker 1>do a fantastic job of of trying to figure that

0:57:36.320 --> 0:57:38.200
<v Speaker 1>out and make it. It's going to be a better

0:57:38.280 --> 0:57:40.640
<v Speaker 1>product next year than it was this past year. We

0:57:40.720 --> 0:57:43.040
<v Speaker 1>were just scratching the surface. So we're really excited about

0:57:43.120 --> 0:57:46.200
<v Speaker 1>if the If the learning curves high enough, people are

0:57:46.320 --> 0:57:50.400
<v Speaker 1>usually happy to let you continue being the expert at

0:57:50.440 --> 0:57:53.440
<v Speaker 1>that one thing they don't advise for that there's job security,

0:57:53.440 --> 0:57:55.760
<v Speaker 1>and that exactly if if you ever take a tour

0:57:55.800 --> 0:57:57.920
<v Speaker 1>of the Star and no one's in the in the

0:57:58.000 --> 0:57:59.960
<v Speaker 1>war room, I believe you get to go in there.

0:58:00.840 --> 0:58:03.840
<v Speaker 1>It's worth it just to see this board. It is legit,

0:58:04.560 --> 0:58:08.880
<v Speaker 1>wall to wall, side to side, floor to ceiling, and

0:58:09.000 --> 0:58:13.600
<v Speaker 1>it's completely touch screen. And you can pull this scouting

0:58:13.720 --> 0:58:15.600
<v Speaker 1>video up of a guy in college and have ten

0:58:15.680 --> 0:58:18.480
<v Speaker 1>different ones up and all this other stuff and it

0:58:18.680 --> 0:58:23.200
<v Speaker 1>is insane the technologies like Election Night on CNN or something. Yeah,

0:58:23.240 --> 0:58:25.600
<v Speaker 1>it really is, and you know, and for you know

0:58:25.880 --> 0:58:28.600
<v Speaker 1>it's and of course you know during draft time it's

0:58:28.760 --> 0:58:31.160
<v Speaker 1>really live because we've got four other boards in there

0:58:31.240 --> 0:58:34.440
<v Speaker 1>that are all touch interactive and we can put I mean,

0:58:34.640 --> 0:58:37.160
<v Speaker 1>just a whole lot of different information up at the

0:58:37.200 --> 0:58:40.120
<v Speaker 1>same time to you know, to rack our brains on

0:58:40.200 --> 0:58:43.040
<v Speaker 1>what we're trying to get accomplished in there. So what

0:58:43.240 --> 0:58:44.760
<v Speaker 1>is what will it take for Chris to be a

0:58:44.840 --> 0:58:47.000
<v Speaker 1>regular guest on that? I was just thinking I could

0:58:47.040 --> 0:58:52.120
<v Speaker 1>talk to Chris all day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it shows us.

0:58:52.240 --> 0:58:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Just find a sponsor for me and hey, yeah, it's

0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:00.880
<v Speaker 1>a free unwear out of the deal to Chris Man,

0:59:00.960 --> 0:59:03.160
<v Speaker 1>this has been awesome me too. I could go till

0:59:03.200 --> 0:59:05.480
<v Speaker 1>five or six o'clock tonight, like I don't. I've got

0:59:05.520 --> 0:59:07.640
<v Speaker 1>so many more questions, but we know you. You have

0:59:07.720 --> 0:59:09.800
<v Speaker 1>a job to do, Kurt, and I have a job

0:59:09.880 --> 0:59:12.520
<v Speaker 1>to do, kind of, they tell us. Thank goodness, I

0:59:12.640 --> 0:59:17.760
<v Speaker 1>still have a job after after draft day. So well, Chris,

0:59:17.880 --> 0:59:19.880
<v Speaker 1>thanks for coming on man, you've been definitely want to

0:59:19.920 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 1>get you on some more before the season's over. Love too,

0:59:22.400 --> 0:59:26.480
<v Speaker 1>This is awesome, definitely, Kurt, Thanks for showing up, Sir Douglas,

0:59:26.640 --> 0:59:28.960
<v Speaker 1>thanks for doing whatever you do in that room. Kent,

0:59:29.160 --> 0:59:31.560
<v Speaker 1>thanks for pushing the button. We will be back tomorrow.

0:59:31.600 --> 0:59:36.360
<v Speaker 1>We will have Darrow all right, Yes, artists and it

0:59:36.440 --> 0:59:39.360
<v Speaker 1>talks some Iron Maiden some rage. Yeah ight, I bet

0:59:39.440 --> 0:59:43.080
<v Speaker 1>he knows who they are, the artists responsible for ice

0:59:43.160 --> 0:59:45.600
<v Speaker 1>cream paint job and get big. We'll be in studio

0:59:45.720 --> 0:59:48.400
<v Speaker 1>with us tomorrow, so we'll talk a little Cowboys football

0:59:48.480 --> 0:59:52.000
<v Speaker 1>with him and see where that goes. One thirty tomorrow,

0:59:52.320 --> 0:59:54.800
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