Speaker 1: Before listening, ask a doctor if your heart is healthy
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Speaker 1: broadcasting live from Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the Star
Speaker 1: in Frisco. Now your host, Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, and
Speaker 1: Shannon gross Man. It's Thursday. It's Thursday, and we are
Speaker 1: bringing the heat on Thursday. We got an action packed show.
Speaker 1: Later on, we're gonna have Chris Hall. What's Chris's title,
Speaker 1: Assistant director of scouting, something like that, scouting big muckety
Speaker 1: muck in the scouting. All right, we're gonna have a
Speaker 1: fan call in from none other than computer. He's gonna
Speaker 1: tell us what he thinks about the team. And in studio,
Speaker 1: we're missing Nate, but we more than made up for
Speaker 1: live in studio, Cavan Frasier, what's up, Cav? So, what's
Speaker 1: up y'all? How y'all doing field? Thanks for joining us? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you had no problems. You hadn't been in the studio
Speaker 1: with us, have you? Nah? This is actually the first time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just out of training camp with us, right, yeah? Cool man?
Speaker 1: What's been happening man? Nothing, just you know, just grinding
Speaker 1: on the fielding off the field. Yeah, you've been been
Speaker 1: showing out on special teams a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, just just making the most of you know,
Speaker 1: every chance I get. Yeah, what do you think about
Speaker 1: the young guys on the team you're talking about, like
Speaker 1: like the rookies. Yeah, it's a young guy. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm still a young guy like rookie and a half
Speaker 1: right now, right right, right right. No. I love them though.
Speaker 1: You know, they always come out to eat with us
Speaker 1: every Thursday. Um, we get we get like a big
Speaker 1: group of guys just to go out to eat and
Speaker 1: they always come. So man, I love you know, Rookie, DBS,
Speaker 1: J J, lou X, Quiz and Cheeto. I love him.
Speaker 1: You know, we get along really well. Cool, cool, cool week.
Speaker 1: Any different this week with he's being banged up a
Speaker 1: little bit or change anything for you? Yeah yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: I'm I'm getting a lot more third down reps. I'm
Speaker 1: rotating in there a little bit more. Um. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's it's a lot different. Actually, Yeah, that's a good
Speaker 1: thing though. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a good thing. Not
Speaker 1: that you know, it's good that Heath is hurt, but
Speaker 1: you know, it's more chances for me though. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: wanted to I wanted to talk to you a little
Speaker 1: bit about so you and you and Keith Smith have
Speaker 1: this friendly rivalry going on where you guys tried to
Speaker 1: raise a little bit of money right right right through
Speaker 1: social media. Tell us a little bit about that. And
Speaker 1: then and then I saw on social media where you
Speaker 1: guys are doing stuff on your days off together, right yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So the little rivalry was it was actually called the
Speaker 1: charity war. So so me and him was competing to
Speaker 1: raise the most money for different charities. Uh. Keith chose
Speaker 1: Incarnation House, which um, you know I do a lot
Speaker 1: of work with. Um, their their homeless chose to shelter
Speaker 1: for for like high schoolers. You know after school they
Speaker 1: go there and eat and do their homework and you know,
Speaker 1: just hang out, watch their clothes. Um. Yeah, So you know,
Speaker 1: they're a great organization that I do a lot of
Speaker 1: work with and I go over there and hang out
Speaker 1: all the time. Um. And mind was my own foundation
Speaker 1: called Fraser kerriss Um. You know, Frasier Kiris just benefits
Speaker 1: children at risk and children without father figure because I
Speaker 1: grew up without a father figure and my mom, you know,
Speaker 1: she was doing all she could to to you know,
Speaker 1: just put food on the table and close on her back.
Speaker 1: So you know, I just want to do all I
Speaker 1: can to help up. Yeah, So it sounds like when
Speaker 1: you're growing up the Boys and Girls Club really played
Speaker 1: a big party. Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely do. You know,
Speaker 1: I do a lot of work with the Boys and
Speaker 1: Girls Club in Dallas in back in Michigan where I'm from. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: growing growing up, I was in the Boys and Girls Club. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, they basically helped raised me. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: that's where I first started playing football at in basketball,
Speaker 1: so you know, they definitely helped raise me. They they
Speaker 1: helped keep my grades up and academics up. And yeah,
Speaker 1: those guys over there, you know in the Michigan Boys
Speaker 1: and Girls Club was definitely like father figures for for
Speaker 1: me growing up. But part of Michigan you're from. Grand
Speaker 1: Rappers okay, also known as gun Rue Rue Yea, what
Speaker 1: is that like? You know, you hear so much about
Speaker 1: Detroit and what it's seen as in flats had a
Speaker 1: lot of trouble with I mean, with its Grand Rappers.
Speaker 1: Did you kind of face some of that as well?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's definitely some bad parts. Uh. Fortunately I
Speaker 1: lived in one of the bad parts. Grand Rappers is
Speaker 1: it's like a smaller Detroit at some point. Um, it's
Speaker 1: definitely more good than bad there though, but you know,
Speaker 1: we lived in one of the rougher parts and Grand Rappers.
Speaker 1: Who's your who your buddy, who's your best buddy on
Speaker 1: the team, who you hang out with outside of where?
Speaker 1: You know? The answer to that? I know. But oh yeah,
Speaker 1: to answer your question earlier, Yeah, yeah, on our off day,
Speaker 1: we do a lot of work. Like like we go
Speaker 1: read books, like almost every Monday, almost every off day
Speaker 1: we get we go read books to different elementary schools
Speaker 1: in the DFW area. So I was looking at some
Speaker 1: of the community stuff you do. It's amazing how much
Speaker 1: work you're doing. That. Yeah, you can find the time
Speaker 1: to do all that stuff, It's correct. I mean you
Speaker 1: just you just take it. You know, every little chance
Speaker 1: you get. It's just like the football field. You know,
Speaker 1: every little chance you get, you got to make the
Speaker 1: most of it. And you know that same in the community,
Speaker 1: every little chance you get. You know, I want to
Speaker 1: help change somebody's life. Yeah, that's and that's pretty that's
Speaker 1: pretty cool. Man. Usually guys don't start doing that and
Speaker 1: create a foundation and start giving back until they've been
Speaker 1: in the league three or four or five years. And
Speaker 1: this is your second year and you actually started last year.
Speaker 1: You took a bunch of kids Christmas shopping for shoes, right, yeah, yep, yep.
Speaker 1: That's an annual thing that we do now starting last
Speaker 1: year as a rookie. Um, I take kids to under Armour,
Speaker 1: you know every year. Um, last year I took thirty
Speaker 1: five kids. This year, I'll take thirty five kids to
Speaker 1: the North Park under Armour and uh, you know, we'll
Speaker 1: just do some shopping for Christmas. What made you like
Speaker 1: what made you want to give back so early in
Speaker 1: your career, Well, just just basically, you know what I
Speaker 1: went through as a child growing up. You know, like
Speaker 1: I said, my dad wasn't around. He left me and
Speaker 1: my sister when I was two, and my sister well
Speaker 1: I was wanting to half and my sister was like three.
Speaker 1: So um, and we and my mom, she she did
Speaker 1: a lot to put us in Christian schools and to
Speaker 1: take take us around playing different sports and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But there was other people like in the Christian schools
Speaker 1: that um that helped us out a lot. So so
Speaker 1: they really motivated me to start giving back so early. Yeah,
Speaker 1: next time you, uh, next time you, Keith go read
Speaker 1: to to a school or whatever, give me like a
Speaker 1: day heads up, Okay, we'll follow you and make a
Speaker 1: video out of it. So everybody don't know what you
Speaker 1: guys do, because I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 1: know that that y'all do that, right. Yeah, So I
Speaker 1: mean I don't know when the next time we're gonna
Speaker 1: read because we got this, Uh we're a little stretch
Speaker 1: right now. Play on Sunday, Thursday, Thursday, so it'll probably
Speaker 1: be after the second Thursday week that we'll go read
Speaker 1: on that Monday. Yeah. But I know you did a
Speaker 1: You've done a lot of just one off things on
Speaker 1: your own even before the foundation. But now that you've
Speaker 1: started the foundation, is that there like a whole new game.
Speaker 1: Is a little bit challenge is actually being a part
Speaker 1: of your own foundation and running that. Um, it's basically
Speaker 1: the same, you know, I don't Yeah, it's basically the same.
Speaker 1: But I got a plublicist who who do like the
Speaker 1: dirty work. Yeah, you set everything up now, So so
Speaker 1: that's like the different part that I have now since
Speaker 1: I have the foundation, is that you know, I have
Speaker 1: a platform to to have like people work for me,
Speaker 1: like like my publicists, and um, we got a few
Speaker 1: interns in Michigan that if that's working back home setting
Speaker 1: stuff up for my camps and stuff like that coming
Speaker 1: this summer. So uh, you know, but other than that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's basically the same. Um yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: basically this is impressive that just the Hurricane Harvey relief
Speaker 1: and all the water you collected and everything. And here's
Speaker 1: that's not even our city, you know, or less, it's
Speaker 1: not Grand Rapids. But you guys really came out for that. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know that was you know, that was devastating that, um,
Speaker 1: those people was going through all that. So you know,
Speaker 1: we just tried to do, you know, as much as
Speaker 1: possible to give back and help them out. Um, even
Speaker 1: if it was just water, you know, we tried to
Speaker 1: get clothes, water, toilet paper and you know, anything that
Speaker 1: could help give back. So um, you know, we just
Speaker 1: tried to take part in little stuff. We don't try
Speaker 1: to go out of you know, go out of the ordinary,
Speaker 1: but we try to, uh, you know, do as much
Speaker 1: as we can to uh to help out and get
Speaker 1: back just that kind of stuff. Getting water or reading
Speaker 1: the kids. I mean they gets looks so often. I
Speaker 1: mean that's that's important to do. Pretty awesome. What U
Speaker 1: on the field, what's besides at and T Stadium? What's
Speaker 1: the your favorite place that you played so far? In
Speaker 1: my favorite players I played a player so far, it
Speaker 1: was definitely a Denver stadium. Yeah, you like that Bronco stadium. Man,
Speaker 1: They just it was just so loud, and you know,
Speaker 1: the football atmosphere was crazy there. So yeah, it was
Speaker 1: definitely that stadium. Yeah, it was definitely loud. Did the
Speaker 1: altitude mess with you at all? Up there? Personally? I
Speaker 1: didn't feel like it messed with me. Yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: I can't speak for everybody, but personally, I don't think
Speaker 1: it messed with me. Yeah. That's cool. When you're in it,
Speaker 1: when you're playing and you've been coming, you've been on defense,
Speaker 1: filling in you know, every series or every other serious
Speaker 1: thing like that. Is it hard to get in the
Speaker 1: flow that quickly when you're not maybe starting and playing
Speaker 1: every you know, playing as many snaps as are hard
Speaker 1: to jump right in or is that help you in
Speaker 1: some ways because you're a little bit fresher. M is
Speaker 1: definitely a challenge. Um, I was just talking to my
Speaker 1: agent yesterday, or like, yeah, man, it's hard to h
Speaker 1: to come in and h and just start tackling, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, when when you haven't been tackling
Speaker 1: the whole game, you know, it's definitely a challenge, but
Speaker 1: you know you just like me, I just try to
Speaker 1: stay ready, to stay ready, so so when my name
Speaker 1: get caught, I just go out there and try to
Speaker 1: make a play. Yeah. I know. I read a story
Speaker 1: that last year is a rookie. I'm sure most rookies
Speaker 1: are like this. It's you're you're a little passive, you're
Speaker 1: not sure, you're trying to feel your way out. And
Speaker 1: this year it's kind of like your goal is just
Speaker 1: to be more aggressive. You know, you know the playbook
Speaker 1: better and all that kind of stuff. Do you kind
Speaker 1: of feel like you've taken that next next step like that? Yeah,
Speaker 1: last year, even on like kickoff, I see myself running
Speaker 1: down or I'm like, man, I know I'm way faster
Speaker 1: than that. Like I was more like hesitant and you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't want to make a mistake and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: But this year and I'm just you know, boss of
Speaker 1: the watches everything just full speed. So I'm yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: just not you know, I'm I still like nobody want
Speaker 1: to make a mistake. But I'm just not really worried
Speaker 1: about that. I'm just more worried about just just playing
Speaker 1: full speed and um, you know, just playing to the
Speaker 1: best that I can play. All Right, So we got
Speaker 1: a minute or so left with cave On, So let's
Speaker 1: play a game cave on. Oh, let's do it. Let's play.
Speaker 1: We've never done this before, so we might mess this
Speaker 1: all up. So we're just gonna ask you rapid fire questions.
Speaker 1: Kurt will take turns. I go, you go, I go.
Speaker 1: You guys, I don't have to go questions. I don't either.
Speaker 1: I have nothing in front of it. It's gonna make
Speaker 1: this so fun. Okay, well, one of you can ask
Speaker 1: Nate's default question. No, no, these are rapid fire. This
Speaker 1: is gonna be quick, Like what's your favorite color? What's this?
Speaker 1: What's this? What's this? What's this? Are you ready? Kurt
Speaker 1: short answers caveon. Nothing complicated, look nervous. No, I'm good. Okay.
Speaker 1: What's your favorite animal? It's actually a hyena? You know,
Speaker 1: Like I mean, I grew up just like in Hyaenas because, uh,
Speaker 1: my my favorite movie is a lion King. Uh that's
Speaker 1: what everybody knows from my from my social Yeah. So
Speaker 1: or was that the Simba whatever? Okay, I wonder Yeah
Speaker 1: it Swoopy Goldberg's character, wasn't it? Yeah? The hyena? Yeah? Her?
Speaker 1: And was it cheech Cheech was one of the other voices, Yeah,
Speaker 1: cheech marin. Yeah. And I just always like the Hyaenas
Speaker 1: on there. Okay, Kurt, do you miss being a running
Speaker 1: back you were in high school? No? You like hitting
Speaker 1: better than getting hit? As I say, do you get
Speaker 1: to control how you hit people as a running back?
Speaker 1: You you can't? Like you get hit? And no, I'm good.
Speaker 1: What's your dream car? Dream car? Ge? Wagon? Wagon? Your turn?
Speaker 1: Kurt lay flowing this game? Now? Who's the best dressed?
Speaker 1: Who's the best dresser on the team? Yeah? Man? In fact,
Speaker 1: he posted about said about that yesterday, did you Yeah?
Speaker 1: Everything's everybody else is just racing for second place. What's
Speaker 1: your favorite part of this facility? The star probably the
Speaker 1: hot tubs and everything. I spent a lot of time
Speaker 1: in there, just just chilling in the hot tub. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're getting that cold tub often? Yeah, A little bit.
Speaker 1: I can't you know, I don't know. I don't care
Speaker 1: for one. I don't know how y'all do it? Man, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I used to this and this is the first year
Speaker 1: that I actually start doing it. Like other than like
Speaker 1: I used to be like a little sissy about that
Speaker 1: part of that. All right, last question, Kurt. You you
Speaker 1: grew up in Michigan, went to college in Michigan. Was
Speaker 1: a shock moving south to Dallas. H No, it was
Speaker 1: all good. Yeah, it was all good. Yea, it was
Speaker 1: still it was a little culture change with the weather
Speaker 1: and everything. But you know, other than that, with the
Speaker 1: weather and then the side of the city because because
Speaker 1: Grand Rappers isn't like, well any part of Michigan don't
Speaker 1: have no big cities like this. But other than that,
Speaker 1: like you know everything, Yeah, how about this weather. It's
Speaker 1: November sixteenth and it's like seventy five degrees out love
Speaker 1: it man, Awesome, isn't it in Michigan November sixteen? It's
Speaker 1: probably like negative two? No, thank you, no hold part
Speaker 1: of that. Well, man, we appreciate you coming on the show.
Speaker 1: I appreciate yo. Keep balling out and hopefully we get
Speaker 1: you back home before the seasons. Go over it something. Yea, yeah, yeah,
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Speaker 1: What what is up? Man? It's been too long? How
Speaker 1: you bat man? It's been too long? Man? I just
Speaker 1: I get quiet doing football, see you. Yeah, I begged
Speaker 1: the differ, not according to your Twitter account. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll be going off on people all the time. Where
Speaker 1: are you? Where are you at right now? Actually I'm
Speaker 1: a tubolau right now? Okay, how are you feeling, you little?
Speaker 1: You little banged up? Yeah? I was the correct Tuesday
Speaker 1: got rammed in from the rear. Never good to get
Speaker 1: rimmed from the rear, never never even even Tommy johnes all.
Speaker 1: Are you feeling all right though? Just a little sore. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm a little sore. I gotta go back into the
Speaker 1: doctor mark for a follow up. My back that bothering,
Speaker 1: and I had my arm I was holding the arm
Speaker 1: risk on the on the lady Ramsa, so so I
Speaker 1: gotta get all that checked out. I'm cool. We'll tell
Speaker 1: us how you feeling about this team right now? I've
Speaker 1: been so down in the dumps. Uh. I got a
Speaker 1: new girlfriend. H Nate's question and she uh, she uh amazing.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I'll be quiet. She's like, well, what's wrong?
Speaker 1: Because this is our first football season with me, so
Speaker 1: she really don't know who I am. And uh. And
Speaker 1: then when we beat k Kansas City, she said, well,
Speaker 1: y'all one, Uh, you'll be in all be normal this week.
Speaker 1: I said, we won last week. She said, oh my god,
Speaker 1: what's wrong with you? You say? You apparently don't watch
Speaker 1: Cowboys football? Do you? No, she don't. She don't have
Speaker 1: on clue. I could talk about Zeke Nolla and she's like, what, well,
Speaker 1: it'll be our ass. No, it's not gonna be all right,
Speaker 1: And she's just she's sweeting. So I just she just
Speaker 1: doesn't understand why I don't be talking much. I'm not
Speaker 1: talking yes, missing between there and uh I go that
Speaker 1: back between there and La. Yeah, where's your girl lives?
Speaker 1: She lives in tuploea poun talks like twenty minutes from
Speaker 1: my house. Okay, what do you think about that game
Speaker 1: on Sunday against the Falcons? Well, I wasn't. I was
Speaker 1: upset about it, but the way everything went down during
Speaker 1: the game, it just it just bothered me that we
Speaker 1: went down there. And Uh, I'm not upset with the team.
Speaker 1: It just will just just something that just happened to us. Uh.
Speaker 1: I sometimes I feel like that our team doesn't match
Speaker 1: the hate that comes some other teams. I think when
Speaker 1: we play NMC each teams we kind of get up
Speaker 1: for them and hate them back the same way. But
Speaker 1: when whenever you the Cowboys play somebody, we're gonna get
Speaker 1: that team's best shot. Don't matter if they one to
Speaker 1: fifteen or fifteen to one, they're gonna Everybody wants to
Speaker 1: beat the Cowboys, and everybody haste the Cowboys. So I
Speaker 1: always say it's us against the other thirty one, no
Speaker 1: matter what. It's not a league where everybody's together. Other
Speaker 1: team might work together, but ain't nobody trying to help
Speaker 1: us out because they don't want us on top? You know,
Speaker 1: that makes it harder every single week. You got a
Speaker 1: week and then everybody wants to play. Then you have
Speaker 1: other players that come in, they make a play, and
Speaker 1: they ain't imitate one of our players celebrations and saw
Speaker 1: me this weird. You're not happy where you at? I
Speaker 1: don't get it. You know, teams want they want to
Speaker 1: throw up this ex when they make a player or
Speaker 1: do something, or they want to do this and do that.
Speaker 1: They just they want to feed themselves, you know, like
Speaker 1: Zeka just I kind of knew this was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: We had so much as sense last year. I knew
Speaker 1: they were gonna try to do something, try to stop.
Speaker 1: That's the one thing I just can't understand. Why is
Speaker 1: the league so against the Cowboys. I just don't understand it.
Speaker 1: We the ratings are down on every other team, step
Speaker 1: for the Cowboys, but they still hate I don't get it.
Speaker 1: I just don't. And the way they treat mister Jones,
Speaker 1: I don't like that. Man. I couldn't. I couldn't be
Speaker 1: working for Jerry and be seeing something the people, because
Speaker 1: they'd be taking me out of handcuffs. Y'all got mister
Speaker 1: Jona messed up like I take up apologies. It'd be
Speaker 1: the same way. When's he gonna when's he gonna take
Speaker 1: you riding in this helicopter? Oh yeah, he could. I
Speaker 1: love it, you know, it's just you know, it just it.
Speaker 1: It hurts me to see how us to go through
Speaker 1: the same thing everyway. I mean, they they started with
Speaker 1: the salary cap to stop the Cowboys. Then they came
Speaker 1: up with the micro irving room, and they came up
Speaker 1: with the Eric Wegiams rule. Then they came over them rules,
Speaker 1: you know, and then all the stuff that's happened the
Speaker 1: past a couple of years, and the dead kids that
Speaker 1: fate call. They call them on Butler last year in
Speaker 1: the playoffs. You know my card, the guy with the
Speaker 1: rest before the game. I'm like, come on, man, can't
Speaker 1: you play. I don't mind us losing, but when we're
Speaker 1: losing to somebody and it's the field is not level,
Speaker 1: that what bothers me. You know, they don't make us
Speaker 1: players not it's not a level playing field when we
Speaker 1: play something. Man, conspiracies dot com the four games and
Speaker 1: we got a good pass for us, you know, the
Speaker 1: whole and they were holding the playoffs. That's why I saw,
Speaker 1: I saw you retreated gil Brands where twenty six quarters
Speaker 1: since some offensive lineman's then called for holding against Dallas. Wow,
Speaker 1: twenty six quarters, that'll get your conspiracy three three Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then the whole thing with the owners Hay no, Jerry,
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, man. And my whole problem with
Speaker 1: the whole thing was zque war when that league investigator
Speaker 1: said that she felt like no suspension and the witness
Speaker 1: testimony when crowd that's all I had to hear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I had to talk to nobody else. They just like,
Speaker 1: if you go to court and go to trial and
Speaker 1: the jurors value not get but the prosecuting the job, like, well,
Speaker 1: we kind of wanted you to go to jes so
Speaker 1: we're gonna say the agel whatever they had to say.
Speaker 1: You know, that's that's that's why we hadn't been playing
Speaker 1: good because that's been really been on the team. He
Speaker 1: wasn't getting the reps in preseason. So when it came out,
Speaker 1: it wasn't altogether. It didn't knel in the back of
Speaker 1: their head. It just kept going and going, you know,
Speaker 1: and now you know, it's just I don't know what
Speaker 1: was gonna do. Who I just don't know what was
Speaker 1: going who do you think this team, missus is more
Speaker 1: of an impact not being on the field, tyring Zeke
Speaker 1: or Shawn Lee. I go Zeke, Shaun Lee then Tyre?
Speaker 1: Really yes, because teams are skilled of Zeke m you know,
Speaker 1: just like Cancaid changed their whole defense. You know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I saw a news article to day talked about you know,
Speaker 1: Chas Green did start two games last year and played well,
Speaker 1: but we had Zeke in the lineup under yards and
Speaker 1: so my my observation is that it is like Michael
Speaker 1: you know, the Cowboys. We never won a game without
Speaker 1: Mike Irving when he went on the field. We won
Speaker 1: without Troy, we didn't win without em, and we didn't
Speaker 1: win without Mike. The reason why we didn't win without
Speaker 1: Mike because he was an emotional leader. They gave a
Speaker 1: team that um and that same thing comes from Zeke.
Speaker 1: Even though Dak is the leader of the team. Zeke
Speaker 1: is the Michael Irvan. You know what I'm saying. He'd
Speaker 1: want to go crazy. That got to be calm and
Speaker 1: cool because he's a quarterback like Troy Wood and Mike
Speaker 1: had to be his place, getting everybody clunk, getting everybody
Speaker 1: to fake. You know what I'm saying. You think he's
Speaker 1: more of that girl. I think he's more of that
Speaker 1: guy than like Dez. You think Zeke's more than Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't up because, uh it's he's more physical. He
Speaker 1: he's able because we're running team den if Den started
Speaker 1: out doing his his kids and stuff at the beginning
Speaker 1: of the game and getting crunk. Yeah, but Zeke is
Speaker 1: did him? You know Zeke, you know since we were
Speaker 1: running team he does that right. How did you computer?
Speaker 1: How did you become a Cowboys fan? My dad say
Speaker 1: he used to watch games together U and we still
Speaker 1: we still do. He gets mad. Now he gets he gets,
Speaker 1: he gets mad, and I do. He can't watch. You
Speaker 1: get a real star watching like last season, he watched
Speaker 1: all the game. Last year, he was cool, but once
Speaker 1: they started and missed this year, he gets so upset.
Speaker 1: He came watch he just like I get it from him.
Speaker 1: So who are who are your your other teams? Who's
Speaker 1: your NBA team? I don't really When Michael Jordan quick
Speaker 1: playing basketball, I quick watch really yeah, because I feel
Speaker 1: like they don't play hard like Mike did. Good for you.
Speaker 1: It's not the same. It's a different game now. It
Speaker 1: seems like, yeah, what about baseball? You watch baseball now? Cardinals?
Speaker 1: I guess, yeah, No hockey, no college football. I used
Speaker 1: to watch it, but now I'm sowing to the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: When I came in, like State was playing Alabama, everybody's
Speaker 1: missing was going crazy. Yeare you worried about that? Said man,
Speaker 1: I am not worried about Misses state. You know you're
Speaker 1: in Mississippi state, territorial miss I don't know. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: for the minute from Starfall and thirty five minutes from
Speaker 1: March the middle of it. But you did in middle
Speaker 1: you route for state though, right? Yeah? Route was stating
Speaker 1: for the football, but the girls offers. So were you
Speaker 1: doing Were you doing cart wheels when they drafted that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I was going crazy one that hen I
Speaker 1: said my quarterback fixed would be my quarterback. And see
Speaker 1: I knew that when when they drafted that. I said, man,
Speaker 1: just like they said that, Uh Brandon Lee moving the crow.
Speaker 1: He said they can't rain forever. I said, not gonna
Speaker 1: rain for everybody just laughed it because that all that
Speaker 1: thing that Parcel said about all the things he liked
Speaker 1: in a quarterback that hit every last one of them.
Speaker 1: And he was and he'd been in the sec he
Speaker 1: didn't been through that fire man at Obama one year,
Speaker 1: they were just kissing him and they was hitting him,
Speaker 1: and he was just he just kept on and on
Speaker 1: and on, and he earned their respect. They would pick
Speaker 1: him up up, they would pick him off the up
Speaker 1: off the ground. They hit him because they respected him.
Speaker 1: I got a funny story. I was in Sam's the
Speaker 1: other day and I've seen this big old tall due.
Speaker 1: I said that dude need to be playing on something
Speaker 1: about I would deck Thatt and Cowboys stuff. It was
Speaker 1: Chris Jones, Kansas City. Really, he's you ain't recognize him.
Speaker 1: Do you ain't gonna speak? And look? I said, oh wow,
Speaker 1: I said. I thought. I was like, man, who would
Speaker 1: this big tall? Does he need to be playing some
Speaker 1: ball somewhere. I didn't know he was that tall because
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen him since start one. He he doesn't
Speaker 1: have a he had a growl, he don't have a
Speaker 1: gross pert since he'd been up there. Yeah, he's a
Speaker 1: big he's a big man. I didn't realize how big
Speaker 1: he was until But who you think, Oh, who do
Speaker 1: you think the cowboys biggest rival is these days Eagles?
Speaker 1: I meant about worry about the Eagles, but not worried
Speaker 1: about Sunday. I mean, I mean they're gonna talk all
Speaker 1: that nose. I mean they've been on the top of
Speaker 1: somebody nose. I would go there. I'll be up there
Speaker 1: like rock. I go up there like uh listen, Tigue
Speaker 1: just started knocking them all out. Man, they'd run you
Speaker 1: out of that city if you went up there. Wasn't
Speaker 1: not running them about it. It's a gona Mississippi boy.
Speaker 1: We'll go up there and take that town old. I
Speaker 1: mean they've been talking so much knows and then Doug
Speaker 1: Peterson talking all that knows about Dak last year and
Speaker 1: then over the summer, nobody's brought up none of those
Speaker 1: comments he said talking about dads had to step in
Speaker 1: off the bus. He had a good team around him.
Speaker 1: He's not that good of a quarterback, and dudes better,
Speaker 1: and dude were drafted the first or second pick in
Speaker 1: the draft. He better be better. But I would take
Speaker 1: Dack over him in the day of the week to me,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like, to me, he faked that Carson
Speaker 1: Wentz the kicker make an extra point. He running out
Speaker 1: in the middle of the field to take the kicker's hand.
Speaker 1: Come on, man, you just you play? I mean so
Speaker 1: fake to me. You know, he's a good player, you know.
Speaker 1: And they and Philadephione that picked him. If Dallas hadn't
Speaker 1: have been working him out, no way. They were so
Speaker 1: worried that Dallas gonna get it. They trade a half
Speaker 1: day team or whatever they did to get up there,
Speaker 1: you know. And plus they've had an easier schedule. They
Speaker 1: only played one team when a winning record, that's it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it schedule for them. Yeah, they're about to play another
Speaker 1: one this this Sunday. And then you know they're the
Speaker 1: teams that the rest of that schedules three three point
Speaker 1: eight nine. I was a four point five and Washington
Speaker 1: actually has a tough schedule the rest of the year
Speaker 1: than what all of the teams are. But you know,
Speaker 1: you know schedule. I mean, we'll see what happened sun
Speaker 1: is as long as we as long as we show
Speaker 1: up and fight back. I'm not worried. I'm not worried
Speaker 1: about I just don't want to buy to quit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think you got any quitters on
Speaker 1: this team. I don't think they quit. I don't think
Speaker 1: they quit this past Sunday. I think they just got there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But will you say what you want to Well, I
Speaker 1: just said we were just was we was. We didn't scheme, right.
Speaker 1: I think they were thinking about filers. I don't think
Speaker 1: they weren't even worried about it. Now you think this
Speaker 1: game was on on the players or the coaching or
Speaker 1: a little bit of both, a little bit of both. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I figure they probably figured we're going in thump
Speaker 1: uh dump Dell, you know, and then our backs and
Speaker 1: some of our players backup players need not have the
Speaker 1: attitude today just like the start us. You gotta you
Speaker 1: gotta Clo. Now you're not charl League, You're not Zeke.
Speaker 1: Come on, now, you gotta play like you got something
Speaker 1: to polist them instead of playing like you already there
Speaker 1: a computer quick quick question? Did you watch this when
Speaker 1: the show started? No, I was in the car you missed,
Speaker 1: you missed Tavan Fraser totally dancing to the beat of
Speaker 1: your open music when the show started. Oh was it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: He was getting with it. He liked be here y'all.
Speaker 1: Never did give it to Nate to where he could
Speaker 1: have it by himself, like the words is it? Let
Speaker 1: me ask for it? Oh, yeah, that's Douglas. What did
Speaker 1: he ask for, Douglas? What did Nate ask for? He
Speaker 1: asked for the beat by itself so we could just
Speaker 1: let it play without the words. Yeah, I've been looking.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna find like a like kind of a sleazy
Speaker 1: seventies bed. Every time Nate asks a player, how's your
Speaker 1: tell me about your lady friend? Wow? So computer, we
Speaker 1: we we had our mid season award that we gave
Speaker 1: out on the show. Uh, last week, let's get yours.
Speaker 1: Who's your who's your offensive MVP? So far? Oh? I
Speaker 1: say the whole office. I give it to all I
Speaker 1: don't want to leave about it out. What come on?
Speaker 1: Sound like I sound like Nate. Give everybody Cosse Cowboys
Speaker 1: every game. I get to that he's been through a lot,
Speaker 1: all right, give it to him. Yeah, there you go. Okay,
Speaker 1: defensive MVP so far. Oh, I don't know nobody's I mean,
Speaker 1: nobody has showed up like we need them to show up.
Speaker 1: You know you don't think d Laws showing up David,
Speaker 1: but yeah, but they've been quiet to pay two or
Speaker 1: three games. I wanted to show him we need him
Speaker 1: like last he did get a shot last week. Yeah, second,
Speaker 1: and then I mean, gett a farmer, knock somebody down.
Speaker 1: You know, we need David Irving to show up just
Speaker 1: he needed to be very disrupted. He need to go
Speaker 1: up the mill on them folds and hit that dude
Speaker 1: and knock them down. Yeah, they definitely need the defensive
Speaker 1: line to bring it this week. But about your I
Speaker 1: like our new cornerbacks. I like how those kids play.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't like a lot of people talking about all
Speaker 1: the wars that left the reason why all those people
Speaker 1: level wards because they didn't show up in that playoff game.
Speaker 1: And mister Jones and mister Jones and mister McClay would
Speaker 1: kind of upset that they didn't show up. You know,
Speaker 1: it's good to play when everything's going good, but we
Speaker 1: need them to show up in that playoff game. They
Speaker 1: gave it Rodder too much time that aut of them
Speaker 1: receivers running around like that. I mean, you know, and
Speaker 1: then they wanted to lead, you know, because those players
Speaker 1: that left couldn't handle the pressure playing for the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: They go somewhere else and they played better because it's
Speaker 1: not the pressure on them to be the man. When
Speaker 1: you come to Doallas, you gotta be able to all right,
Speaker 1: you gotta play your position, but then you gotta be
Speaker 1: able to hand that pressure playing for the Cowboys, and
Speaker 1: a lot of players can't hauling it handing it. I
Speaker 1: think the yances that we got in the draft, they
Speaker 1: are dogs. I think they can hand that. They're not
Speaker 1: the light is not blinding them. You know, couldn't Church,
Speaker 1: couldn't be wood Darren Woodson, you know so, But yeah, well, computer,
Speaker 1: we gotta let you go because we have another very
Speaker 1: special guest in the studio with us. Chris Hall is
Speaker 1: sitting here with Chris, what is what exactly is your title?
Speaker 1: I am the assistant director of college scouting. Okay, so
Speaker 1: we wouldn't kick you off for very many people tell Tim,
Speaker 1: you haven't need any scouting in the Mississippi. I got
Speaker 1: worried on all the SEC schools in the surrounding areas.
Speaker 1: So if he needed anybody to go check himbody out,
Speaker 1: Holliday Shannon and I go check him out, a GEI
Speaker 1: little info anything you need. Oh yeah, I got deeper.
Speaker 1: I got people running around, and I'm telling something now
Speaker 1: that gut. We signed Candid City that played at Northeast
Speaker 1: Community College up there. Oh he's good, he's good him,
Speaker 1: he said, that's why we signed him. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: know y'all. Y'all did a great job with him. I
Speaker 1: hadn't had watched him up there at Northeast. Easy, he
Speaker 1: pretty Tim Bourns like he came out I SEC and
Speaker 1: went to Miami. Hey, we had pretty good luck the
Speaker 1: last guy we stole from the Chiefs on the D line.
Speaker 1: So we'll see where yea y'all do. Yeah, yeah, y'all scout.
Speaker 1: Y'all doing a great, great, great, great job. I don't
Speaker 1: keep y'all bringing in which I've been doing. I've read
Speaker 1: proud of y'all. We appreciate it. Cowboy Nation got y'all back,
Speaker 1: appreciate your support. All right, Computer, we'll get y'all into
Speaker 1: your future. Man, y'all, Man, y'all take care of all right,
Speaker 1: Go Cowboys. That was Computer of three six Mafia fame,
Speaker 1: huge Cowboys fan. Have you ever met him, Chris? I
Speaker 1: have not. No, he's been out the camp a couple
Speaker 1: of times. Not not really your genre. You're more of
Speaker 1: a rocker, right, a little heavier? Yes? Did you know
Speaker 1: Kurt's a big metal hill? Yes? Okay. If y'all ever
Speaker 1: been to a concert together, we have been at the
Speaker 1: same concert, yes, okay several times. What's the both of you?
Speaker 1: What's the best rock concert you've ever been to? For me,
Speaker 1: it was Raged against the Machine? Really when and where?
Speaker 1: It's probably ninety eight ninety nine star Plex. Okay. It
Speaker 1: was an amazing show. I've never been in a song
Speaker 1: on the Matrix soundtrack. I don't know they think so.
Speaker 1: I've never been in a show that had such just
Speaker 1: the crowd of just power crazy. It was just you
Speaker 1: could feel it. It was great, but about just because
Speaker 1: Kurt was there. It definitely because Kurt was there. Mine
Speaker 1: was probably the first time I saw Iron Maiden back
Speaker 1: in nineteen eighty six on the Power Slave tour. Wow.
Speaker 1: Where was that at? I was at Lake Front Arena
Speaker 1: in New Orleans. Okay, where are you from? All over
Speaker 1: the place? Mine is? Probably the coolest concert I've ever
Speaker 1: been to was Three Days Grace. They played at back
Speaker 1: when we were at Valley Ranch. Right up the street.
Speaker 1: They had a little sports bar right by that gas station.
Speaker 1: It's an Indian food restaurant at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: hill when you would come down to Valley Ranch. The
Speaker 1: guy that owned it was from Canada, and somehow knew
Speaker 1: those guys from from Canada. And the place only held
Speaker 1: like one hundred and fifty people, and they were selling
Speaker 1: ten dollars tickets. Me and my buddy went. It was
Speaker 1: so cool. But probably the best show I've ever been
Speaker 1: to was probably Metallic. Yeah. They played at AC the
Speaker 1: American Airline Center about six years ago in the round.
Speaker 1: That was really cool. I couldn't hear for five I
Speaker 1: was at that one too. Kurt was there too? Were
Speaker 1: you there? I think I was at that one, but
Speaker 1: we were. We were both at the recent one. How
Speaker 1: was that was it good? It was good? I was
Speaker 1: worried because it was so big they might lose something.
Speaker 1: I thought it was good. I was fortunate enough to
Speaker 1: be stuck down in the snake pit for that one,
Speaker 1: so whole different perspective on up close I could imagine.
Speaker 1: I could imagine those guys still bring it too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so let's talk some scouting and some football. Kurt, you
Speaker 1: you're the football stats guy on this on this show, well,
Speaker 1: I guess I know you're more college guy. But can
Speaker 1: we first kind of on the pro scouting side. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've always wondered, you just signed this kid off the
Speaker 1: practice squad, how do you have any idea he's any
Speaker 1: good at this point? I mean, you haven't seen him
Speaker 1: play in months, right. It's those are the tricky things
Speaker 1: that want with our pro department and what they do.
Speaker 1: They do a phenomenal job of of canvassing everybody's practice
Speaker 1: squad and looking at the few snaps that these guys
Speaker 1: may have had in preseason games. I mean, some of
Speaker 1: these guys might only play twenty thirty snaps in a
Speaker 1: preseason game, and you've got a college history on him,
Speaker 1: and you're making judgments over just a very little bit
Speaker 1: of fourth quarter action in preseason games. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of tricky. You know, this kid we just signed, He's
Speaker 1: a big guy who fits the need that we have.
Speaker 1: We're always looking at defensive lineman. You can never have enough.
Speaker 1: That's Daniel Ross, yes exactly. And you know, his backgrounds
Speaker 1: really interesting. He was a junior college player who went
Speaker 1: up to Canada for a couple of years and made
Speaker 1: it through the Texans roster this August and was ended
Speaker 1: up in Kansas City and there was enough there that
Speaker 1: our guys saw that thought there was something that he
Speaker 1: could fit in with with the group of guys that
Speaker 1: we have, and let coach Marinelli go to work on him.
Speaker 1: How long have you been with the team? I started
Speaker 1: with a team back in nineteen ninety, right out of college.
Speaker 1: So this is my twenty eighth season with the team.
Speaker 1: And what exactly, So for people that don't know what
Speaker 1: you do, how can you kind of give them a
Speaker 1: fifty thousand foot sure view of it? The basic gist
Speaker 1: of what I do is help organize all of our
Speaker 1: college scouting information and get our draft board prepared for
Speaker 1: all the different things that go into that throughout you know,
Speaker 1: really starting the May right after the draft is when
Speaker 1: we start in on the draft process for the next year.
Speaker 1: We belong to a scouting service that kind of gives
Speaker 1: us a springboard list, and we kind of go from there.
Speaker 1: We do a little bit of work on that over
Speaker 1: the summer, and then we get into camp and we
Speaker 1: study our team a little bit to have a better
Speaker 1: idea where we think we might be short coming up
Speaker 1: next year, and our scouts start canvas in the road.
Speaker 1: In August, we go to training camps and colleges while
Speaker 1: they're preparing for their season two, and then we spend
Speaker 1: the entire fall watching college practice, watching games, talking to
Speaker 1: as many sources as we can at college campuses, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, building our building our database, or really shrinking it.
Speaker 1: At that point. We start off with, you know, about
Speaker 1: eight hundred names on that list, and it'll grow to
Speaker 1: anywhere from eleven to twelve hundred, and ultimately we shrink
Speaker 1: it back down to about one hundred and fifty to
Speaker 1: one hundred and seventy guys that we leave on our
Speaker 1: draft board, and then probably another one hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: that we would consider as rookie free agents. So the
Speaker 1: Cowboys were the first organization in the NFL to use
Speaker 1: computers to harness computers for scouting and draft and you're
Speaker 1: now the point man inheriting that tradition. Yeah, a little bit.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, you know, to see how the Cowboy computer
Speaker 1: has evolved over the years that I've been here, from
Speaker 1: an old three eighty six desktop to all the magnificent
Speaker 1: new stuff that we have in the war room with
Speaker 1: touch technology and being able to open screens multiple things
Speaker 1: on one look, and just it's amazing the amount of
Speaker 1: information that's literally available at your fingertips now. And you're
Speaker 1: in the war room on draft day. Rap, what is
Speaker 1: you have? The years that you've been here for that
Speaker 1: long period of time, you have bound to have seen
Speaker 1: some awesome stuff. What is the what is the best
Speaker 1: story that you're able to tell? Yeah, you're able to
Speaker 1: tell there's there's the right there able to tell that
Speaker 1: drop off story quality. We've had some really good ones.
Speaker 1: One of the I think one of the greatest ones
Speaker 1: was back when we maneuvered around for the Roy Williams trade. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, Jerry was amazingly working three different phones at
Speaker 1: the same time between Minnesota, Kansas City, and Jacksonville, and
Speaker 1: he ended up maneuvering getting an extra pick out of it,
Speaker 1: and we knew who each team was going to take,
Speaker 1: and the trade came right down to the last minute,
Speaker 1: and the people on TV thought we passed because we
Speaker 1: didn't get the deal in on time, and it actually
Speaker 1: wasn't our pick, and it literary got right down to
Speaker 1: the wire and I had to remind Steven that, hey,
Speaker 1: you got to call the league office and put the
Speaker 1: trade in since were the ones with the pick. And
Speaker 1: literally he jumped over the telephone cord. We saw a
Speaker 1: telephone cords rolling all over the place. He had to
Speaker 1: jump over the cord and really got the trade in
Speaker 1: right at the end of the deal. And then that
Speaker 1: caused all kinds of panic on ESPN. They didn't know
Speaker 1: who had the pick, if it was Kansas City or Minnesota,
Speaker 1: and guys were trying to turn cards in and long
Speaker 1: and the shorter was. It turned out that I think
Speaker 1: everybody got the player they wanted in that deal anyway,
Speaker 1: when it didn't. Something similar happening with Whitton too, where
Speaker 1: Jerry somehow got the other teams to tell they like
Speaker 1: they wanted to trade up to get him, and they
Speaker 1: told him the other you got the other team to
Speaker 1: reel They were gonna draft wittn or submit. Maybe I'm
Speaker 1: wrong with that. I don't remember that wasn't that one?
Speaker 1: Well you would know better than I would, Yeah, it was.
Speaker 1: We've had some other interesting ones in there, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's it's been. It's been a long strange journey
Speaker 1: into war room, to say at least. Another good one
Speaker 1: was this year when uh, thanks to somebody back here
Speaker 1: in the technology room, we ended up getting a our
Speaker 1: war room phone number was out the wonder on the internet.
Speaker 1: I think that somebody put a really nice thing on
Speaker 1: Twitter except our phone number was Yeah, I wonder who
Speaker 1: that could have been. Well, you're started this for the
Speaker 1: technology section. Oh this is not so what It was
Speaker 1: kind of I mean, we look back and laugh at
Speaker 1: it now, but we kept getting all these calls in there,
Speaker 1: and it was, you know, fans basically suggesting what we
Speaker 1: should be doing, and Jerry and Stephen are always the
Speaker 1: ones that pick up the phone, and and after a
Speaker 1: while it was kind of like, Okay, something's fishy. How
Speaker 1: are these people getting our number? And we realized that
Speaker 1: it was out on a Twitter post that we had
Speaker 1: put of just you know, a nice helmet shot and
Speaker 1: kind of styling for the room and we quickly got
Speaker 1: that fixed. Yeah, he did, he did. Luckily, no one
Speaker 1: lost their job over that. Yeah. I was there when
Speaker 1: that went down. Yeah, there was some tense moment with
Speaker 1: its running through the building. Go who the hell runs
Speaker 1: the Twitter account? Who runs the Twitter account? Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys know this or not, but
Speaker 1: Jerry had had a pretty good zang back at the
Speaker 1: end of that. After we got it fixed, he picked
Speaker 1: up the phone again and acted like somebody had got
Speaker 1: through again, and and he was kind of stringing us
Speaker 1: along like there was a trade going on or something.
Speaker 1: And Steven's trying to figure out what's going on. We're
Speaker 1: all looking at him like what's up. He just kind
Speaker 1: of goes, I'm just messing with it. Was it was fun. Now, Nick,
Speaker 1: there you go. Nick Eatmon told me a story, and
Speaker 1: you tell me whether you can tell it or not.
Speaker 1: He said, you had a really fun story about DeMarco Murray. Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was for me. That was one of my my
Speaker 1: I guess, prouder moments in my scouting business, the things
Speaker 1: that I've been able to be a part of directly
Speaker 1: with players. And uh, you know, we had DeMarco had
Speaker 1: kind of slid down a little bit further, and we
Speaker 1: saw where he was and we knew his ability and everything.
Speaker 1: And I was big, big fan of DeMarco's and we
Speaker 1: still had a couple other running backs that were up
Speaker 1: on the board at the time, but we had had
Speaker 1: DeMarco rated ahead of him. And as sometimes will happen
Speaker 1: during draft discussions, you start sliding away from how your
Speaker 1: board might look in there when you're discussing who you
Speaker 1: might want to pick, or if the players are kind
Speaker 1: of even. You know, we do a lot of work
Speaker 1: to get that board put together, and then there's a
Speaker 1: reason that it's stacked the way it is. And one
Speaker 1: of my pet peeves is always when we start to
Speaker 1: slide away from that a little bit. What was kind
Speaker 1: of going that way? And I was kind of bristling
Speaker 1: in my chair, and we'd got Coachwitzer on the phone
Speaker 1: to talk about him, and Barry did a really good
Speaker 1: cell job with him too, And I remember Coach Garrett
Speaker 1: looked over at me and he asked, he said, Okay,
Speaker 1: is this guy gonna get the tough yards for us?
Speaker 1: Is he going to score when it's it's January And
Speaker 1: we're in the metal land ends and we gotta we
Speaker 1: got to score a touchdown to win the game. And
Speaker 1: I can't repeat exactly what I said, but I basically said,
Speaker 1: give him the ball and running behind that big number
Speaker 1: seventy seven that we just drafted, and he'll score every time.
Speaker 1: Perfect And I had enough. I don't know if that was,
Speaker 1: you know, the finding thing that made us do it,
Speaker 1: but it was, you know, I was hot at the
Speaker 1: time I took him and obviously had you know, the
Speaker 1: best rushing season in the history that it's kind of
Speaker 1: the ongoing struggle for y'all, isn't Because the coaches have
Speaker 1: one thing in mine and the scouts they have their
Speaker 1: board and they kind of have their own series. Is
Speaker 1: it hard to balance sometimes? Well, I'll say this, We've
Speaker 1: we've done a great job the last few years of
Speaker 1: really getting together and fostering our relationship with the coaching staff,
Speaker 1: and we've learned a lot from them. They've learned a
Speaker 1: lot from us on how we do our work, and
Speaker 1: I think there's a much bigger appreciation now for how
Speaker 1: each one of us work. And over the last few years,
Speaker 1: under Will mcclay's guidance, we've we've really made a conscious
Speaker 1: effort to get these two groups together in the spring
Speaker 1: watch tape together, study together, work players out together, really
Speaker 1: get to know the guys so that that we have
Speaker 1: fewer of those well they like him and we don't
Speaker 1: like him, or we're not quite sure about this guy.
Speaker 1: You know, you're always going to have some some indecision,
Speaker 1: and you're gonna have a scout that likes a guy
Speaker 1: better than another scout, or you know, there's always gonna
Speaker 1: there's not gonna be perfect agreement on everybody, but you
Speaker 1: hope to get everybody as close to the same page
Speaker 1: and seeing and looking at the same things, and just
Speaker 1: as importantly how they're going to fit into our roster
Speaker 1: and how we're going to use the player, and ultimately
Speaker 1: that's that's the coach's decision how they do that. So
Speaker 1: you don't ever want to give the coach as a
Speaker 1: player that maybe they don't have the same vision for
Speaker 1: that you do. So you know that that usually ends poorly.
Speaker 1: As I've seen about the years of twenty five plus
Speaker 1: years of doing this, you know, when we've had situations
Speaker 1: like that, it usually doesn't work out very well. Do
Speaker 1: you have I'm sure you have each draft, you kind
Speaker 1: of fall in love with the guy, and you like
Speaker 1: certain guys that you know you would like to see
Speaker 1: the team draft for certain reasons or whatever. Do you
Speaker 1: does that guy follow you so like in your case
Speaker 1: DeMarco Murray, you really like DeMarco and you kind of
Speaker 1: made a stand for him. Does that kind of follow
Speaker 1: you around and people are like, that was Hall's guy?
Speaker 1: Or is it just kind of like a team effort?
Speaker 1: And it's really really, I can't say this enough, it's
Speaker 1: it's such a team effort. By the time we get
Speaker 1: to the draft room and where the guys are on
Speaker 1: the board, there are guys it's not Kurt drafted that guy,
Speaker 1: or Shannon drafted that guy, or that was Chris's pick.
Speaker 1: I mean they kind of do that in baseball, don't they,
Speaker 1: Where the scouts really get more they get credit for
Speaker 1: finding a guy. You know, I think so, But I
Speaker 1: think also if you if you look at baseball, man,
Speaker 1: you're talking about high school kids and college kids and
Speaker 1: all ages and years, and there's so many more scouts
Speaker 1: and it's so much more. A guy's really dependent on
Speaker 1: finding the guys in his region and then letting the
Speaker 1: cross checker see him as well, But there's more discovery
Speaker 1: I think in baseball and probably other sports to hockey soccer.
Speaker 1: One of the things we kind of talked a little
Speaker 1: bit about this past year's football is really the only
Speaker 1: sport where you don't get to watch these players grow
Speaker 1: up through high school into college or juniors or whatever
Speaker 1: angle they go to. Sometimes, you know, when a junior
Speaker 1: comes out, we may only have four or five months
Speaker 1: of exposure to this guy if he just kind of
Speaker 1: came out of the woodwork, and you've got to get
Speaker 1: to know all you can about a guy in a
Speaker 1: four month period, whereas a basketball scout may have seen
Speaker 1: the kid playing high school, he may have been to
Speaker 1: five or six of his games, watched him practice eight
Speaker 1: to ten times. Same thing with a baseball player, a pitcher,
Speaker 1: you know, you've probably seen that guy throw ten twelve
Speaker 1: times before you're going to really get behind him and everything. Well,
Speaker 1: with us, that's hard to do. Our guys, we may
Speaker 1: only see a guy play one game, or be on
Speaker 1: campus a couple of times to see him practice, and
Speaker 1: that's all just within the scope of less than a
Speaker 1: year of when you first see him and when when
Speaker 1: you have to draft him. Make a decision about who
Speaker 1: this twenty one or twenty two year old person is.
Speaker 1: So over over the twenty eight years you've dealt with Jimmy,
Speaker 1: Barry Parcels. Uh, how are those How are those guys? Oh,
Speaker 1: Wade can't get any love here? Well, I'm just thinking
Speaker 1: about the personality. Garrett can't even get in there. Well,
Speaker 1: come on, Douglas, And if he wants to go that direction, sure,
Speaker 1: But I was wanted these the three, you know, big personalities,
Speaker 1: and how that how they interacted with the scouting department,
Speaker 1: Um comparatively, Yeah, they were all. They were all very different. Um.
Speaker 1: You know with Jimmy, he came in with his coaching
Speaker 1: staff and they had an unbelievable advant two unbelievable advantages
Speaker 1: when they got here. We had a boatloaded draft picks
Speaker 1: and they had recruited the majority of these guys that
Speaker 1: were going to be in the first few drafts that
Speaker 1: they had all this ammunition for. So they knew their guys.
Speaker 1: They were coming into the to the NFL in a
Speaker 1: different way. Jimmy Prott kind of a different defensive scheme.
Speaker 1: The fast, speedy or undersized guys. You know that that
Speaker 1: wasn't where the game was at the time, and he
Speaker 1: was able to take chances on players and especially guys
Speaker 1: that he knew from Miami, you know, the Darren Smiths
Speaker 1: of the world, Darren Woodson. These guys were undersized players
Speaker 1: at their positions that could run, and that was the
Speaker 1: biggest thing back then. It was speed, not size and power,
Speaker 1: like a lot of what was going on in the
Speaker 1: league at the time. But Jimmy had a great, a
Speaker 1: great dictionary if you will, of what was coming into
Speaker 1: the league, and we had all those picks. You know,
Speaker 1: people forget the ones that didn't pan out, or the
Speaker 1: fact that we traded five of them for Stan's Magala
Speaker 1: exactly or Dame Safety. There you go. So then you know,
Speaker 1: when Barry came in, Barry had been out of the
Speaker 1: game for a little bit and he was just kind
Speaker 1: of he was a little bit of a caretaker with it,
Speaker 1: and he let us do our thing. Larry Layswell was
Speaker 1: our director of the time, and Larry history with Barry
Speaker 1: and Jimmy and all of them at the time, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, Barry kind of let us do our thing,
Speaker 1: and the coaches got a little bit more involved at
Speaker 1: that point in time, and then ironically, when Bill was here,
Speaker 1: he didn't want the coaches to have anything to do
Speaker 1: with the draft. Oh real except him, Oh, he wanted
Speaker 1: to say, And he listened to our guys and our
Speaker 1: veteran guys even more so. But you know, he looked
Speaker 1: at it, whereas, hey, the scouts, they've been following these guys,
Speaker 1: they're they're supposed to be the experts of this. I'm
Speaker 1: going to trust their opinion as opposed to a coach
Speaker 1: who you know, may not be putting his all into
Speaker 1: it at the time. Now that's not to say what
Speaker 1: we do now. Our coaches are invested in the process
Speaker 1: and how we go through the spring with them. So
Speaker 1: it was different. Bill didn't want them involved. He wanted
Speaker 1: them coaching. They were a coach, So that was That
Speaker 1: was kind of the difference in those three guys. That's
Speaker 1: interesting because he's so famous for complaining that he didn't
Speaker 1: get to buy the groceries in New England, and then
Speaker 1: he walks in and he lets you guys direct them
Speaker 1: on how to buy the groceries. Oh he still he
Speaker 1: still was buying groceries. I don't make any don't make
Speaker 1: any mistake about it. He had his guys, and I
Speaker 1: think I think Bill was you know, he just didn't
Speaker 1: want to draft Terry Glenn up into him. I probably
Speaker 1: had his eyes on somebody else, you know, just like
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, there's a big story I won't
Speaker 1: get into, but I mean we ended up getting both
Speaker 1: players to Marcus Ware and Marcus Spears, and you know
Speaker 1: he might elect one more than the other. Oh everybody knows. So,
Speaker 1: but tell me this, of those two in that draft,
Speaker 1: where was Aaron Rodgers on everybody's radar? Oh? Man? Um?
Speaker 1: Because what did he go? Like seven or eight picks
Speaker 1: after Spears? Yeah? Because you know he that was the
Speaker 1: one of the infamous first green room freefall experiences. I
Speaker 1: think that was broadcast live on TV. And I think
Speaker 1: he ended up going maybe twenty fourth or twenty six
Speaker 1: something like that, and the Packers finally pulled the trigger
Speaker 1: on him, and you know that's about where we had him.
Speaker 1: I mean, we had a quarterback at the time, I believe,
Speaker 1: And it just it. Quarterbacks are hard to figure out.
Speaker 1: When you've got one, you don't value the guys in
Speaker 1: the draft as much, it seems, but when you need one,
Speaker 1: you might put a little bit of air and all
Speaker 1: to try and find one, because I mean we went
Speaker 1: a long time, you know, with outfielders and shortstops and
Speaker 1: third basemen trying to play quarterback here between Troy and
Speaker 1: Tony when we finally, you know, got the next guy,
Speaker 1: and you know that's still work. Like now that you're
Speaker 1: in the scouting process for next year, do you have
Speaker 1: it like, well, we're gonna need a linebacker, we're gonna
Speaker 1: need this, orre you just covering everything right now? Well,
Speaker 1: you're covering everything right now. You know where your needs are,
Speaker 1: where you think your needs are going to be, maybe
Speaker 1: emphasis on another sure, I mean, you know, we feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about the quarterback that we got right now,
Speaker 1: you know, so are we are? We digging deep, deep, deep,
Speaker 1: deep deep into all these quarterbacks? Maybe not as much
Speaker 1: as we had been. You know, the year that we
Speaker 1: drafted Dak and I mean, I'm sure people have heard
Speaker 1: the story on that now. He wasn't our first choice
Speaker 1: and I'm glad he was the choice that he ended
Speaker 1: up being for us, obviously, but you know, we took
Speaker 1: a look at a lot of other guys that year.
Speaker 1: He was one of many, and uh, you know, it's
Speaker 1: worked out well for us. You know things we couldn't
Speaker 1: pull off that. Yeah, talking about dak Um, this team
Speaker 1: hadn't drafted a quarterback for a while. Was did they
Speaker 1: draft did was that draft? Did they have in mind
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a quarterback at some point or was
Speaker 1: it just Okay, we liked this guy, so we're gonna
Speaker 1: go ahead and get a quarterback. How was that kind
Speaker 1: of how did that play out? You know, at the time,
Speaker 1: you know, we didn't think Tony was going to be gone,
Speaker 1: so we weren't just completely we we knew he was
Speaker 1: coming to the final he was round in third base.
Speaker 1: But sometimes that stretch can last a while before you
Speaker 1: get all the way home. And you know, we we
Speaker 1: did a lot of work on Carson once you know
Speaker 1: we're going to play this week, and Jared goff and
Speaker 1: and Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook and and dak and
Speaker 1: all these other guys that were in there. Jeff driscoll,
Speaker 1: I mean, we really spent a lot of time working
Speaker 1: on those guys because we had obviously we had a
Speaker 1: really high pick and you don't plan on being up there,
Speaker 1: you know, and that is usually the one spot where
Speaker 1: you can I mean, obviously nothing's guaranteed, but you've got
Speaker 1: a better shout at hitting a franchise quarterback up with
Speaker 1: the first four or five picks. And as an organization,
Speaker 1: you never want to be in the first four or
Speaker 1: five picks. So if you're there and there's franchise worthy
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that you think are there, regardless of who's on
Speaker 1: your roster, you got to think about that at that point.
Speaker 1: And we did a lot of thinking about it, and
Speaker 1: we did a lot of travel going to get to
Speaker 1: know these guys, and we were fortunate enough or misfortunate
Speaker 1: enough if you look at to coaching the Senior Bowl
Speaker 1: that year and got some extra exposure to these guys.
Speaker 1: So all that really helped us at the end. And
Speaker 1: you know, I certainly don't want to say Dak was
Speaker 1: an afterthought because there was a lot of work put
Speaker 1: into Dak Prescott as well. But the fact that he
Speaker 1: fell down to you know where he did us, you know,
Speaker 1: the rest of the league kind of had that same
Speaker 1: yeah look at him too, you know, so you know,
Speaker 1: you just you get lucky sometimes. What's the biggest change
Speaker 1: from nineteen ninety to now? You've got all kind of
Speaker 1: new technology and stuff. What's the doesn't necessarily have to
Speaker 1: be technology based. But what's the biggest difference between when
Speaker 1: you came into the league and what you guys are
Speaker 1: doing now. Well, technology certainly would be number one. I
Speaker 1: mean when I first came in, our guys were literally
Speaker 1: typing reports or handwritten reports, And of course now we
Speaker 1: have you can write an entire report on your iPhone
Speaker 1: if you want to. Nowadays with our system, you know,
Speaker 1: some of the guys use iPads, some of them use
Speaker 1: touchscreen computers. The technology of the war room is unbelievable now.
Speaker 1: Like I've mentioned earlier, I used to have to hut
Speaker 1: out cardboard cards and magnets, and every time we'd make
Speaker 1: a change, you'd have to make new ones, and you'd
Speaker 1: be doing a whole new set the night before the draft.
Speaker 1: And now everything's digital. Man, I can just slide a
Speaker 1: guy up and down with a touch of a finger
Speaker 1: and rearrange things go together. It's are you the only
Speaker 1: person in the building that knows how to run that board?
Speaker 1: I wish I could say yes, but I'm not sure
Speaker 1: if there's truly anybody in the building that really knows
Speaker 1: about the board. It's still in progress. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: it's fascinating technology, and our guys that Dave Birch and
Speaker 1: Elton and these other guys that work on that, they
Speaker 1: do a fantastic job of of trying to figure that
Speaker 1: out and make it. It's going to be a better
Speaker 1: product next year than it was this past year. We
Speaker 1: were just scratching the surface. So we're really excited about
Speaker 1: if the If the learning curves high enough, people are
Speaker 1: usually happy to let you continue being the expert at
Speaker 1: that one thing they don't advise for that there's job security,
Speaker 1: and that exactly if if you ever take a tour
Speaker 1: of the Star and no one's in the in the
Speaker 1: war room, I believe you get to go in there.
Speaker 1: It's worth it just to see this board. It is legit,
Speaker 1: wall to wall, side to side, floor to ceiling, and
Speaker 1: it's completely touch screen. And you can pull this scouting
Speaker 1: video up of a guy in college and have ten
Speaker 1: different ones up and all this other stuff and it
Speaker 1: is insane the technologies like Election Night on CNN or something. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it really is, and you know, and for you know
Speaker 1: it's and of course you know during draft time it's
Speaker 1: really live because we've got four other boards in there
Speaker 1: that are all touch interactive and we can put I mean,
Speaker 1: just a whole lot of different information up at the
Speaker 1: same time to you know, to rack our brains on
Speaker 1: what we're trying to get accomplished in there. So what
Speaker 1: is what will it take for Chris to be a
Speaker 1: regular guest on that? I was just thinking I could
Speaker 1: talk to Chris all day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it shows us.
Speaker 1: Just find a sponsor for me and hey, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a free unwear out of the deal to Chris Man,
Speaker 1: this has been awesome me too. I could go till
Speaker 1: five or six o'clock tonight, like I don't. I've got
Speaker 1: so many more questions, but we know you. You have
Speaker 1: a job to do, Kurt, and I have a job
Speaker 1: to do, kind of, they tell us. Thank goodness, I
Speaker 1: still have a job after after draft day. So well, Chris,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on man, you've been definitely want to
Speaker 1: get you on some more before the season's over. Love too,
Speaker 1: This is awesome, definitely, Kurt, Thanks for showing up, Sir Douglas,
Speaker 1: thanks for doing whatever you do in that room. Kent,
Speaker 1: thanks for pushing the button. We will be back tomorrow.
Speaker 1: We will have Darrow all right, Yes, artists and it
Speaker 1: talks some Iron Maiden some rage. Yeah ight, I bet
Speaker 1: he knows who they are, the artists responsible for ice
Speaker 1: cream paint job and get big. We'll be in studio
Speaker 1: with us tomorrow, so we'll talk a little Cowboys football
Speaker 1: with him and see where that goes. One thirty tomorrow,
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