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Speaker 2: We've all certainly been in this situation where our perspective

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Speaker 2: something very different. Why does our perspective change, Well, it's

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Speaker 2: usually because of what's going on around that other person.

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Speaker 2: And I submit to you Bill Belichick, the head coach

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Speaker 2: of the New England Patriots, the greatest coach in the

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Speaker 2: history of the NFL. Right, all right, let's talk more

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Speaker 2: Willard Kyle, Rudolph Kyle, Good evening.

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Speaker 1: How we doing today? My man?

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Speaker 3: I'm do weell Mark, how are you doing?

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Speaker 2: I'm doing fantastic And listen, I'm certainly not going to

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Speaker 2: take Bill Belichick's Hall of Fame candidacy away tonight. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to do that, but I do have to

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Speaker 2: admit the perspective change is just a little bit. It's

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Speaker 2: not that he's not a great coach. You said something

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Speaker 2: very interesting to me earlier today when you said the

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Speaker 2: Patriot Way only works when you've got great players. Now,

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Speaker 2: let's explore this for a second. We're watching certain players,

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Speaker 2: mainly quarterbacks, through the years. Whenever we call them a

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Speaker 2: game manager, the idea is, well, you're only really good

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Speaker 2: and if they're not, you're just ordinary. Look at what

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo went through with the That'd be a great

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Speaker 2: example of somebody who was like, well, you were you're

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Speaker 2: a solid quarterback, you went to a super Bowl when

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Speaker 2: everything around you was perfect.

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Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask the question and then we can

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Speaker 1: get into it. Kyle, why can't I say the same

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Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting and you talked about the Patriot Way,

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Speaker 4: and you know, I think the biggest thing that gets

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Speaker 4: lost in the Patriot Way people just talk about Tom

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Speaker 4: hasn't worked. And yes, that's true. You know, Tom went

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Speaker 4: to Tampa. He won his Super Bowl without Bill, and

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Speaker 4: Bill has yet to have any success without Tom. But

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Speaker 4: I think there's so many more layers to the Patriot

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Speaker 4: the fact that they had Tom Brady as the quarterback,

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Speaker 4: but also you go back and look at the amount

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Speaker 4: they make, and they're always the highest paid player.

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Speaker 4: And you know, when you're paying a quarterback that much money,

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Speaker 4: you can't put talent around him. That was never the

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Speaker 4: I've been in this regime, you know, under the Belichick tree.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a fascinating word you just used. Why'd you

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Speaker 2: but first we got to react to what just happened.

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Speaker 2: The overtime classic between the Eagles and the Bills is

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Speaker 1: It looked like maybe a season saving.

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Speaker 2: Win was about to take place, but it does not,

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Speaker 2: Unbelievable for those of you who weren't watching, Yeah, this

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Speaker 2: This field goal setup seemed to be the one that

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Speaker 4: No, And unfortunately, up to this point it's been Josh

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Speaker 4: And then, you know we mentioned the Jake Elliot field

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Speaker 2: I have talked for weeks about the gauntlet that Philadelphia

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Speaker 2: As far as their schedule, it's not over yet. It's

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Speaker 1: Five and zero. Unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: No, unbelievable, is right, and you know, to respond from

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Speaker 2: I'm over here trying to get the look aheadline right now,

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Speaker 2: This team has scored one hundred and eighty two points, Kyle.

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Speaker 4: And you know that seems to translate to these tough

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Speaker 2: Maybe one of the oddest calls I've seen all year

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Speaker 7: Hey Martin and that Sunday night football game. First of all,

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Speaker 7: I'm sorry, Mark, that was rude. Hey Mark, How you

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Speaker 7: doing anyway? Just going off in that Sunthay night football game.

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Speaker 7: We had a little back and forth extracurricular activities between

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Speaker 7: Rashawn Slater and the Baltimore defensive lineman. Right now, nine

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Speaker 7: oh seven left in the first quarter, fourth to nineteen

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Speaker 7: for the Chargers, they will likely be kicking a field goal.

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Speaker 7: We just had a banger of a game wrap up

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Speaker 7: with the Eagles and the Bills. That one went to

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Speaker 7: overtime off of a shoot off for a Jake Elliott

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Speaker 7: fifty nine yard field goal.

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Speaker 1: Then Buffalo got the ball.

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Speaker 7: Tyler Bass comes down kicks a field goal, but then

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Speaker 7: the Eagles and Jalen Hurts extend their record from nine

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Speaker 7: to one to ten and one as Jalen Hurts rushes

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Speaker 7: it into the end zone for the game ceiling score.

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Speaker 7: Earlier in the late window, we had the Rams over

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Speaker 7: the Cardinals thirty seven or fourteen. Kyran Williams had two

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Speaker 7: touchdowns on the ground for Los Angeles, and the Broncos

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Speaker 7: beat up on the Browns twenty nine to twelve. Denver's

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Speaker 7: defense has forced fifteen turnovers the last three games, and

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Speaker 7: both Amari Cooper and Miles Garrett were injured in that game.

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Speaker 7: Stay tuned here for more updates on that as we

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Speaker 7: find out more about that information. NBA scores right now

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Speaker 7: the Suns in the Knicks tied one to thirteen a

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Speaker 7: piece with twenty seconds left in the fourth quarter and

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Speaker 7: Nets in the Bulls Nets sixty three, Bulls fifty three

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Speaker 7: that one at halftime Royce Will with twelve points and

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Speaker 7: seven rebounds. Also at the half, you got the Raptors

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Speaker 7: and the Cavaliers. Raptors with a fifty two to forty

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Speaker 7: two lead and with two fifty five left in the

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Speaker 7: first quarter of the Nuggets thirty two Spurs twenty seven

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Speaker 7: vick their wimen Yama with seven points so far in

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Speaker 7: the early goings. Mark Kyle Beck to.

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Speaker 2: You, Okay, Martin, thank you, my man, appreciated good stuff.

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Speaker 2: We're live inthetie rank dot com Studios and also, by

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Speaker 1: You'll see the show posted right.

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Speaker 2: After we get off the air along with Kyle Rudolph,

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Speaker 2: Mark Willard, Fox Sports Sunday.

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Speaker 1: So listen, I steal. I think all of us we're

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Speaker 1: getting to know.

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Speaker 2: At constantly what is and what is not reviewable. Judgment calls, sure,

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Speaker 2: like past interference, we know that's not reviewable.

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Speaker 1: But for instance, when you.

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Speaker 2: See college football and there's potentially a targeting play and

488
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Speaker 2: everything stops, and we got to go check everything out

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Speaker 2: and then tell the kid that you're not playing the

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Speaker 2: rest of this game. You're not going to play part

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Speaker 2: of next week as well, because we're really really protecting people,

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Speaker 2: and the NFL goes over the top in protecting quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: I have a hard time figuring out why plays like

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Speaker 2: the one we just saw are not, in theory reviewable.

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Speaker 2: What happens is is a fight breaks out, and not

496
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Speaker 2: a bad one, but just a lot of pushing and

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Speaker 2: shoving between.

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Speaker 1: The big guys the linemen.

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Speaker 2: And the linemen are built, especially the offensive lineman as

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Speaker 2: a tight end. I know you were close with these guys.

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Speaker 2: They're built to protect their teammates. It's what their job is.

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Speaker 2: So if somebody does something to the quarterback that you're

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Speaker 2: not supposed to do, the big guys are gonna come

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Speaker 2: in and they're not gonna be nice. They're gonna come

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Speaker 2: in and they're gonna push, and they're gonna shove, and

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Speaker 2: they're gonna get dirty and all of that stuff because

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Speaker 2: they protect their quarterback. Well, the Chargers, on a very

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Speaker 2: very key third down inside the ten yard line end

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Speaker 2: up getting called for a fifteen yard penalty because an

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Speaker 2: offensive lineman is stepping out of line. The reason he's

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Speaker 2: stepping out of line is because Justin Herbert is contacted

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Speaker 2: two and a half yards out of bounds on a run,

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Speaker 2: in a play where you can't even breathe on a

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Speaker 2: quarterback anymore. Somehow that's not called, and so instead of

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Speaker 2: a personal foul going one way, it ends up going

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Speaker 2: the other way.

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Speaker 1: Why on earth can we not look at that?

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Speaker 3: That?

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Speaker 2: To me, that's an excusable fight on the part of

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Speaker 2: the Chargers.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting, especially the next day, you know,

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Speaker 4: when you're in the film room. Ultimately, if the offensive

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Speaker 4: lineman doesn't go stick up for the quarterback, you kind

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Speaker 4: of look at him differently, you know, Like you said,

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Speaker 4: it's this unwritten rule that the offensive linement or the

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Speaker 4: protectors and when you hit the quarterback, whether it's late

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Speaker 4: out of bounds or sometimes you see it when the

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Speaker 4: quarterback slides. If a guy tries to get a shot in,

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Speaker 4: you're ultimately gonna have to deal with an offensive lineman

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Speaker 4: coming over and probably picking you off the pile or

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Speaker 4: or some sorts of extracurricular activity. And when it doesn't happen,

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Speaker 4: you know, I remember a few times throughout the course

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Speaker 4: of my career where we we'd be watching film and

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Speaker 4: you know, ultimately the offensive coordinator would stop it as

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Speaker 4: we're watching it as an entire offense and just kind

536
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Speaker 4: of be like, you know, where, where's our attitude? You know,

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Speaker 4: where are you guys? You know we're gonna let him

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Speaker 4: hit our quarterback like that. So it's this unwritten rule.

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Speaker 4: The offensive linemen are always the ones there to especially

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Speaker 4: protect the quarterback. And I just again I don't understand.

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Speaker 4: I do understand why not everything is reviewable, but there

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Speaker 4: we had New York Is watching and if there's a

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Speaker 4: big brawl, they go back and they watch it so

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Speaker 4: they can ultimately decide who gets ejected by going back

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Speaker 4: and watching a replay of a little scuffle. So you know,

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Speaker 4: it would seem kind of on par with that exact scenario,

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Speaker 4: but just the opposite side. Instead of just going back

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Speaker 4: and watching the scuffle quick to see if someone needs

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Speaker 4: to be ejected, just go back and watch the scuffle

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Speaker 4: to say, Okay, there's just guys being guys, and you

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Speaker 4: know the quarterback. He hit the quarterback late, so they're

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Speaker 4: pushing and shoving. Let's just carry on. You know, ultimately

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Speaker 4: you missed the call of hitting the quarterback out of bounds,

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Speaker 4: but you know we don't need to compound it with

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Speaker 4: a fifteen yard penalty for the offensive lineman protecting his quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just it's like, you look at it and it's

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Speaker 2: jarring as an NFL fan in you know week what

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Speaker 2: are we week twelve? I guess Week twelve of twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty three, it's jarring to see an official miss a

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Speaker 2: personal foul on a quarterback because quite frankly, we've watched

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Speaker 2: eight hundred of them so far this year that shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be personal fouls get called. You can't come near the

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Speaker 2: quarterback and do anything. You can't you can't hit him low,

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Speaker 2: you can't get him a lot high. You can't hit

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Speaker 2: him late, you can't hit him too hard. You can't

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Speaker 2: throw them that you can't do anything. So to miss

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Speaker 2: what should have been a personal foul on a quarterback,

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Speaker 2: it's like, I don't know as a fan, I'm not

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Speaker 2: even wired to understand how that happens. The reps are

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Speaker 2: so hyper sensitive to it. It's it's just I didn't

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Speaker 2: know what to do with it.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, how on earth do you miss that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: And then the big thing is when these guys become

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Speaker 4: runners too, And you know, I think that that term

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Speaker 4: becoming a runner, and when does the quarterback lose the

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Speaker 4: protection that we often see them have. As you mentioned,

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Speaker 4: if that quarterback is standing in the pocket or trying

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Speaker 4: to throw the football on the run, if you come

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Speaker 4: hit them pretty much in any way, shape or form

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Speaker 4: with excess force or anywhere near their head or below

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Speaker 4: the waist, you're getting fifteen yards. But you know, I

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Speaker 4: think when when you see those plays on the side line, that's,

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Speaker 4: in my opinion, that's where they miss them the most.

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Speaker 4: It seems like as soon as the quarterback gives themselves

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Speaker 4: up and goes for a slide, you know, guys seem

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Speaker 4: to lay off. But you know, we saw Justin Herbert

589
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Speaker 4: earlier this year take a huge shot on the sideline

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Speaker 4: against the Raiders. You know, we talked about that fine

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Speaker 4: and what that ensued for Jerry Tillery being that he

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Speaker 4: was a former Charger, you know, the little bit of

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Speaker 4: vengeance maybe going against his former team. But I do

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Speaker 4: feel like if the quarterbacks ever are treated kind of

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Speaker 4: like runners, it's usually you know, down the sidelines as

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Speaker 4: opposed to out in the field. If they decide to

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Speaker 4: give themselves up, you know, you really can't touch them.

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Speaker 2: In this game that we're watching tonight, Zay Flowers just

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Speaker 2: got to catch Odell Beckham did a couple of plays ago.

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Speaker 2: Both of them were questionable and like truly questionable until

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Speaker 2: just about three hours ago when the announcement came down

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Speaker 2: that both were playing, And it made me want to

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Speaker 2: ask you a very specific question about the questionable tag.

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Speaker 2: What players go through last minute in order to be

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Speaker 2: ready for a game. Seeing as we always hear that

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Speaker 2: the injury rate is one hundred percent, it's week twelve.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's hurt, right, So what's the difference between hurt and

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Speaker 2: kind of hurt and really hurt.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to ask you about that.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next with Kyle Rudolph, Mark Willard Fox, sports radio. Oh,

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Speaker 2: we are live from the tie rag dot com studios.

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Speaker 1: It's nice that the training wheels are off.

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Speaker 2: With regard to Christmas music, that's just my personal feeling.

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Speaker 1: Once the weather gets a little bit colder and.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's kind of in the spirit, I am all for,

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Speaker 2: like put the music on, put your lights on. I'm

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Speaker 2: watching a lot of people drive around this weekend trees

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Speaker 2: on the roof of their cars.

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Speaker 1: Good for you.

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Speaker 2: I know some people, some family members have been visiting

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Speaker 2: with lately.

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Speaker 1: Who like this very hard rule.

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Speaker 2: You can't do any of this stuff until Thanksgiving is over.

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Speaker 2: And so even for those of you who get triggered

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Speaker 2: by too much Christmas too soon, welcome.

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Speaker 1: To the party. It's time now.

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Speaker 2: The holidays are are officially here, no matter what you celebrate.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're big on the fact that. You know, my wife,

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Speaker 4: if it was up to her, we'd have Christmas stuff

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Speaker 4: up immediately following Halloween, so the Halloween stuff would come

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Speaker 4: down and.

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Speaker 3: The Christmas stuff would go up.

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Speaker 4: And you know, I am big on Thanksgiving deserves its

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Speaker 4: time and it has a special place for me. If

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Speaker 4: Thanksgiving is one of my favorite holidays. It's food and

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Speaker 4: football and everything that you love about Thanksgiving, and you know, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Okay if you start, you know, especially.

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Speaker 4: Round Thanksgiving, you want to start getting some stuff up

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Speaker 4: because you know, ultimately you don't want to have to

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Speaker 4: put everything up the day after Thanksgiving, and so you

641
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Speaker 4: start getting some stuff up. I'm okay with it. And yeah,

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Speaker 4: the same thing like Christmas music. You know again, if

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Speaker 4: we're starting to play Christmas music on November first, it's

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Speaker 4: a little early for me. But now here we are

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Speaker 4: in the swing of things out of Thanksgiving, and I'm

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Speaker 4: okay with it.

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Speaker 1: Your wife should be in charge of target.

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Speaker 2: They start taking the Halloween stuff down and putting the

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Speaker 2: Christmas stuff up at about five o'clock on October thirty first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah that in Starbucks they switch out the cuffs immediately.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they do.

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Speaker 2: Spiced something is ready to go. But anyway, Mark Willard,

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Speaker 2: Kyle Rudolph, glad you're with us.

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Speaker 1: I don't want you to break any codes or anything.

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Speaker 2: Man, But I was thinking about this today week twelve.

656
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Speaker 2: You tell me everybody's hurt, right.

657
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting because I don't know when when it was,

658
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: but a few years back the NFL changed the injury

659
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 4: designations and so there's four of them. When you're going

660
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 4: through the course of practice and players that are injured,

661
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 4: you have probable, which means that player is very likely

662
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 4: to play. You have questionable, which means that that player's

663
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 4: fifty to fifty certainly given the term questionable because them

664
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 4: playing is in question, doubtful, very unlikely to play. And

665
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 4: there's only been one player since I can remember being

666
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:46,360
Speaker 4: a part of and following the NFL that was ruled

667
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 4: out the day before a game and ultimately played, and

668
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 4: it was Brett Favre in Minnesota. I can't remember if

669
00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 4: it was in nine or ten, but he was ruled

670
00:36:56,680 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 4: out and ultimately showed up on Sunday and played in

671
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 4: the game. So so those are the four designations. Now

672
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 4: I'll tell you what it really means. No one uses probable.

673
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 4: I can't remember the last time I saw an injury report. Like,

674
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 4: everyone is probable, So if you're probable, you're in yeah,

675
00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 4: and you're.

676
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 3: Like you said, it's week twelve.

677
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 4: Everyone is getting treatment for something at this point, but

678
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: we're all probable. Everybody's likely to play, So then really

679
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 4: questionable becomes the one that's used probably most often, and

680
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 4: questionable can be they're on playing but they're getting treatment,

681
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 4: so they have to be on the injury list. And

682
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 4: again I just said, they don't use probable, so questionable

683
00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 4: becomes the tag that is used, and then you have

684
00:37:49,560 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 4: questionable like it overlaps to doubtful as well. You know,

685
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 4: you don't want to say the guy's doubtful because if

686
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,720
Speaker 4: he's doubtful, then the team can prepare differently. So this

687
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 4: this term questionable gets used on both ends. It gets

688
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 4: used for guys that are one hundred percent playing in

689
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: the game. You know, if you're just getting limited reps

690
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 4: in practice again because it's week twelve and you know

691
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 4: you're taking some of the wear and tear off your body,

692
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 4: and you're you're in the training room, so therefore you

693
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:23,759
Speaker 4: have to be on the injury report, so they make

694
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 4: you questionable.

695
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 3: But it's also on the.

696
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,000
Speaker 4: Other side to where you're in the training room more

697
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: than you're out on the practice field. Maybe you're out

698
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 4: on the practice field when the media is out there,

699
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 4: and then you go in and get treatment. You're listed

700
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,439
Speaker 4: is questionable as well, and everyone in the building knows

701
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 4: there's no chance you're playing. So you know again that

702
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 4: the designation of questionable is the one that, in my opinion,

703
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 4: gets abused a bit on both sides.

704
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I was just thinking about these receivers Tonight,

705
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: Zave Flowers, Odell Beckham and and the reporters kind of

706
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: give it the Yeah, this is a true questionable, Like

707
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 2: you can usually tell by the tone. It's like someone's

708
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 2: listening is questionable.

709
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, they're probably playing.

710
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:09,600
Speaker 2: They're probably playing, but you could sort of hear it

711
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: if a chefter or a rap report is like no, no, no, no,

712
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 2: it's a true questionable. I'm like, so, what's a false questionable?

713
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: Like what what does all this mean?

714
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: That would be probable?

715
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,839
Speaker 4: And what they should use is doubtful instead of questionable, Like, hey, yeah,

716
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 4: it's a true questionable.

717
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 3: No, that's doubtful.

718
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:31,359
Speaker 4: That's why we have a different designation to where it's

719
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 4: no longer fifty to fifty. We heard it this morning

720
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 4: when Lane Johnson woke up with the guy Growin. You know,

721
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,000
Speaker 4: it was reported by Jay Glazer like, hey, he's getting

722
00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,000
Speaker 4: an MRI right now, he's questionable.

723
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:45,080
Speaker 3: Akaa, he's doubtful.

724
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,560
Speaker 4: If he's laying in an MRI tube on Sunday morning,

725
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 4: he's doubtful.

726
00:39:48,400 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 3: He's not questionable.

727
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,920
Speaker 1: Well, Yeah, if they're going to even do that.

728
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:54,959
Speaker 2: The second you hear the word downgrade on game day,

729
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,080
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, why would you even do that unless

730
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,520
Speaker 2: there's an actual problem. So here are a couple of

731
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Speaker 2: things I want to ask you. Potentially, the NFL MVP

732
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Speaker 2: is playing right now. We can get into that coming up,

733
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: but I want to ask you like what Inza Flowers

734
00:40:11,680 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 2: and Odell Beckham go through today? Like what's the process

735
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: when you wake up and you're questionable, when you're a

736
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Speaker 2: true questionable? To get you ready, We'll get into all

737
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Speaker 2: that coming up next on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: Okay, not quite done with that conversation, because I mean,

743
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Speaker 2: I find it interesting. It's a joke that if people

744
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Speaker 2: use all the time, oh so and so is listed

745
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Speaker 2: as questionable, and then the response is, well, aren't we

746
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Speaker 2: Keep you up to date, just like I'd love to know,

756
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Speaker 2: give me an idea. Not that you're a doctor, and

757
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 2: I'm sure all these situations are somewhat different, but that

758
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:31,239
Speaker 2: true questionable and the game day experience of what a

759
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:35,240
Speaker 2: player who's that hurt to end up with that tag?

760
00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: What do you go through in order to end up

761
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,479
Speaker 2: out on the field. It's got to be it's got

762
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Speaker 2: to be something that's more intricate than what we're told.

763
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Speaker 2: All Right, I'm going to go through the pregame warm

764
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:52,360
Speaker 2: up and we'll see how they feel. I'm pretty sure

765
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Speaker 2: that if this is your job and bajillions of dollars

766
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Speaker 2: on the line, that the team knows how the player

767
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 2: feels every five minutes around the clock. We know how

768
00:42:05,560 --> 00:42:08,279
Speaker 2: this works. So what did those guys go through in

769
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:09,600
Speaker 2: order to get on the field tonight?

770
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Speaker 4: You know, it's interesting because again I go back to

771
00:42:14,200 --> 00:42:18,080
Speaker 4: the designations and questionable being that there's a fifty to

772
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:22,720
Speaker 4: fifty chance the player is going to play. Three hours

773
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 4: before kickoff, when you go on the field to warm

774
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 4: up and see how you feel, you know it's either

775
00:42:29,239 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 4: one way or the other. Like again, at that point,

776
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 4: it's no longer questionable. If you're not confident that you

777
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,560
Speaker 4: can go out there and play in an NFL game

778
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 4: by three hours before kickoff and you have to go

779
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:48,280
Speaker 4: warm up and see how it feels, you're then doubtful.

780
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 4: You know, it's very unlikely that you're going to be

781
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: able to go out and play. And you know, again

782
00:42:55,040 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 4: sometimes I think most recently with all of the speculation

783
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 4: the Cincinnati Bengals. On Thursday night last week, someone on

784
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 4: the social media posts a picture of Joe with his

785
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,600
Speaker 4: wrist wrapped and then you know he wasn't on the

786
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: injury report. Then the post got deleted. He hurt his

787
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: wrist in the game, and you know they said there

788
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,960
Speaker 4: was a new injury. It wasn't from the.

789
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,760
Speaker 3: So I think, especially especially head.

790
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 4: Trainers, they're very prone to if someone comes to him

791
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 4: late in the week and you know they start getting

792
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: treatment on something, Okay, we'll just slap questionable on there

793
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 4: because it protects me and it's my cya. You know,

794
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 4: I can go out there and I'm not worried about it,

795
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 4: because again, questionable is kind of all encompassing, and I

796
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 4: think at times guys also use questionable. You know, sometimes

797
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 4: it's more so for the coaches. The coaches are like, well,

798
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 4: you know, he didn't practice full speed this week. Maybe

799
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 4: he just got to Friday and did some walk through stuff,

800
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 4: and it's important for me to see him run around

801
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 4: before the game. Okay, fine, so he'll warm up before

802
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 4: the game and see And again, every coach is different,

803
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 4: every trainer is different. I had a high ankle sprain

804
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 4: in twenty seventeen the last three games of the year.

805
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:25,200
Speaker 4: It was the week fourteen I had the ankle sprain,

806
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,400
Speaker 4: so Week fifteen, Week sixteen, Week seventeen. In Week fifteen,

807
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 4: I literally laid in the training room all day every day.

808
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 4: I was never out on the field during the media

809
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 4: portion of practice or any part of practice. I was

810
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:43,799
Speaker 4: in the training room around the clock, doing everything I

811
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 4: possibly could to be available come Sunday. And now, granted

812
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,360
Speaker 4: this was my seventh or eighth year in the league,

813
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 4: I had played a lot of football games. Our offensive

814
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 4: coordinator was a guy who had been my tight end coach.

815
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 4: He knew that he trusted me enough to know that

816
00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:06,480
Speaker 4: I didn't have to practice the three Monday or Wednesday,

817
00:45:06,520 --> 00:45:09,440
Speaker 4: Thursday Friday to know what I was doing in the game,

818
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 4: and if I was physically able to go, he was

819
00:45:12,040 --> 00:45:14,520
Speaker 4: going to give me a chance. And you know, again,

820
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:18,720
Speaker 4: our trainer had had a rule like if you didn't practice,

821
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 4: you weren't playing. So on Friday, during Zim's press conference,

822
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 4: I was ruled out and I remember laying in the

823
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:29,400
Speaker 4: training room. I got the like the Vikings app alert

824
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 4: on that Friday afternoon that said like injury report and

825
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:37,040
Speaker 4: it had Kyle Rudolph out and I was like, what,

826
00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 4: like hold on a second, and I like went to

827
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 4: our head trainer's office. I was like, we still have

828
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 4: forty eight hours before the game, Like just make me doubtful,

829
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:47,760
Speaker 4: like again, because doubtful means you're probably not going to play.

830
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 4: But if you rule me out, there's no chance I

831
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 4: can play over the next forty eight hours. So he

832
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,520
Speaker 4: ultimately went and got it changed. He's like, whatever you want, Rudy, Like,

833
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,759
Speaker 4: we'll make it doubtful. That's fine, You're not going to play,

834
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 4: and practiced all week, so then I had to come

835
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,960
Speaker 4: in on Saturday morning. On Saturday morning, I ran around

836
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 4: with the tight end coach, our offensive coordinator at the time.

837
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:11,919
Speaker 4: Like I said, Pat Shermer, who I had a great

838
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 4: relationship with. It was the two of us, the head trainer,

839
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:17,720
Speaker 4: and they were like, yeah, he looks like he can play.

840
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 4: So then they knew by Saturday morning. I didn't have

841
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 4: to go run three hours before kickoff. It was like,

842
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: you looked good enough on Saturday morning, you can go

843
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 4: out there and give us what you got and you

844
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:31,400
Speaker 4: play in the game. And I ultimately ended up playing

845
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:36,799
Speaker 4: on the doubtful designation, which interesting Again in today's world,

846
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 4: it would just be ah, he's questionable, Like, no, you've

847
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: been laying in the training room all week, you're not questionable.

848
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Speaker 1: How'd it go? By the way when you play?

849
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: Actually, I caught a touchdown. So we played the Bengals

850
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:49,920
Speaker 4: and it was a big one for me. I had

851
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 4: never played against my hometown team. Being in the NFC,

852
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 4: we only got to play him once every eight years,

853
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 4: so it was my first time getting to play against

854
00:46:58,040 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 4: my hometown Bengals. At the time, we had just lost

855
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 4: to Carolina, so we were ten and three with three

856
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,480
Speaker 4: left to play, knowing that if we got to thirteen

857
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: and three, we'd probably have a first round by as

858
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 4: either the first or second seed. So for me, I

859
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 4: wanted to play against my hometown Bengals, and I also

860
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 4: knew how important the last three games were, so I

861
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 4: was able to get out there and I caught a

862
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,200
Speaker 4: late touchdown. You know, they kind of gave me a

863
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:28,520
Speaker 4: freebie on the goal line, which it was like, hey,

864
00:47:28,880 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 4: we appreciate you, so we'll stick you out there on

865
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Speaker 4: goal line and throw you a touchdown.

866
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Speaker 2: I mean, it's interesting to hear you talk about how

867
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 2: far ahead the teams are as opposed to the news cycle.

868
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 2: That's always my perception anyway, though I don't know exactly

869
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,520
Speaker 2: how far ahead, Like in other words, did you ever

870
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,400
Speaker 2: have and maybe we've talked about this, did you ever.

871
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:55,360
Speaker 1: Have any major injuries? Like major injuries?

872
00:47:57,400 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I mean I certainly had my fair share.

873
00:48:01,320 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 4: A couple times ended up on ir for season ending stuff,

874
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: you know. I think over the course of my twelve years,

875
00:48:09,600 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 4: I had five or six surgeries, so it certainly had

876
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:18,880
Speaker 4: had my fair share of injuries, ultimately all coming in season.

877
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 4: I think in twenty twenty thirteen. Yeah, twenty thirteen, I

878
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 4: broke my foot and went on IR. And then actually

879
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 4: in twenty fourteen, it was kind of the first they

880
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,560
Speaker 4: were starting to allow guys to come back off of IR.

881
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 4: So you had to you had to be out for

882
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:40,320
Speaker 4: eight weeks, and you had to designate that player to return.

883
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,080
Speaker 3: You got one at the time, so you had.

884
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,680
Speaker 4: To be very strategic about, Ay, does this guy legitimately

885
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:49,399
Speaker 4: have an injury that he can come back from that

886
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 4: eight week window or so? And I had bilateral hip

887
00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,920
Speaker 4: surgery that year in season and missed eight weeks seven

888
00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 4: games because we had a buy.

889
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: Okay, when you broke your foot, was it in a

890
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 2: game that you broke the foot? Yes, Okay, how quickly

891
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 2: did the sideline know that you'd broken your foot?

892
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:13,200
Speaker 3: Well?

893
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:17,160
Speaker 4: Actually, so I went to the sideline. I it was

894
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 4: in Dallas. I scored a touchdown and the safety who

895
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 4: came over to make the tackle kind of in the

896
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 4: seam at the goal line. When he missed the tackle,

897
00:49:26,719 --> 00:49:30,000
Speaker 4: he fell over my shoulder and landed on my foot,

898
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,760
Speaker 4: and so I went down. I knew something was wrong

899
00:49:33,120 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 4: right away. I couldn't really get up. Ultimately I got

900
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 4: up I got to the sideline, and I was like, okay,

901
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 4: you know, during the course of a game, like you

902
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,600
Speaker 4: have so much adrenaline going and you don't, like, you

903
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 4: don't feel anything. So it wasn't like I was in

904
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:51,719
Speaker 4: excruciating pain and had to get on the cart and

905
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 4: you know, ride to get X rays or something like that.

906
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:56,600
Speaker 4: I was just like, oh, yeah, my foot feels a

907
00:49:56,600 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 4: little different. So I got my ankle taped like they

908
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 4: spat it it up. I tried to see what I

909
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 4: could do on the sideline and so I broke it

910
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 4: like right in the middle of my foot, and ultimately

911
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,200
Speaker 4: the like the outside half of my foot just kind

912
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 4: of like kept giving out. And They're like, well, you

913
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 4: can't run, and clearly you can't push off and block anybody,

914
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,399
Speaker 4: so go back, get an X ray.

915
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 3: I went back.

916
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 4: I got the X ray, and the X ray machines

917
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 4: aren't really great in the stadiums, especially. This was over

918
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 4: ten years ago at this point, so there was no

919
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:37,800
Speaker 4: like clear indication of a fracture, and it was ultimately, Okay,

920
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:41,120
Speaker 4: we'll get more tests tomorrow and see what's going on.

921
00:50:41,920 --> 00:50:45,759
Speaker 4: I go in for the MRI on Monday then, and

922
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:49,360
Speaker 4: that's when they saw the fractures in my foot.

923
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:53,920
Speaker 2: So the reason I ask is like growing perception for me,

924
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:57,680
Speaker 2: and much of it is based on what we see

925
00:50:57,719 --> 00:51:01,840
Speaker 2: happen now on social media with all these doctors who

926
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,960
Speaker 2: immediately will be like, someone send video of the injury,

927
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:09,279
Speaker 2: and they'll send video of the injury and they're like, yeah,

928
00:51:09,320 --> 00:51:14,120
Speaker 2: that's torn ACL and like you could, they can, like

929
00:51:14,239 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 2: at ninety five percent success rate if not more, look

930
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: at it and go, yeah, that's what just happened on

931
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,200
Speaker 2: a video. So therefore my thought is you go into

932
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 2: that blue tent, the team knows what happened, and yeah,

933
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:32,840
Speaker 2: we've got to confirm it. I get it, but the

934
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 2: team pretty much knows what happened, and then the public

935
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:40,160
Speaker 2: is not going to find out until twenty four to

936
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:42,240
Speaker 2: forty eight hours later when.

937
00:51:42,080 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 1: You go through a whole process.

938
00:51:43,480 --> 00:51:46,040
Speaker 2: Is that kind of is that a true perception or

939
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: false that by and large the team doctor can look

940
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 2: at you with certain major injuries Achilles ACL maybe broken

941
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 2: bones and pretty much right there diagnose on the spot.

942
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,080
Speaker 3: Some of the bigger ones.

943
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 4: You know, I think back to like when we see

944
00:52:04,040 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 4: these slow motion replays of achilles. Unfortunately, we saw another

945
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 4: one on the Black Friday game on Amazon Phillips from

946
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 4: the Dolphins. You know, you see he's pushing off of

947
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 4: his back foot. You kind of see the calf ripple,

948
00:52:24,120 --> 00:52:28,200
Speaker 4: and then he turns and looks behind him. Everyone that's

949
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:33,400
Speaker 4: ever followed sports or watches sports, like, you know immediately

950
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 4: what happened. I think back to Kirk Cousins at Lambeau.

951
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:41,040
Speaker 4: You know, he's planting off that back foot and it

952
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 4: just completely gives out Aaron's when they zoomed in and

953
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 4: showed a million replays of it the whole rest of

954
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,760
Speaker 4: the game. It was reported as you know, an ankle injury,

955
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:54,880
Speaker 4: and you know, we're sitting here watching on TV. I'm like,

956
00:52:55,080 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 4: his ankle's fine, Like, nothing happened to ankle, It didn't

957
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 4: get twisted at all. We all saw his achilles shoot

958
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 4: up his calf. So I think it's just especially in

959
00:53:05,560 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 4: today's world, with the amount of camera angles that we have,

960
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,960
Speaker 4: the quality of the cameras, the shots that we get

961
00:53:14,440 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 4: of these injuries happening on TV. You know, you ultimately,

962
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 4: as a doctor that's either watching on TV or seeing

963
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 4: the replays on social media, you may even have a

964
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 4: better view than the trainers and doctors who are just

965
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:33,600
Speaker 4: evaluating based on what they see or feel on the sideline.

966
00:53:33,640 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: And you know, I have another story from this past year.

967
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,640
Speaker 4: Our last regular season game of the year was in Atlanta,

968
00:53:40,320 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 4: and I kind of touched down on the first drive

969
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:46,359
Speaker 4: of the game, went down on the touchdown, and it

970
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 4: was one of those like you know, you see it

971
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,640
Speaker 4: a lot in car accidents where your knee slams into

972
00:53:51,640 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 4: the dashboard and you sprain your pco. Well, my knee

973
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 4: went straight down into the turf and ultimately I sprained

974
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 4: my piece well in a game like especially for me,

975
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 4: I hardly played last year and I definitely didn't. That

976
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 4: was like my second target in the red zone all year.

977
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,200
Speaker 4: So when I got to go in on third and

978
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 4: eight on the eight, all I could think about was

979
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 4: go catch a touchdown, Go catch a touchdown. Then the

980
00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,879
Speaker 4: play starts, Chris Godwin goes in motion from two by

981
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 4: two to three by one. So I'm all by myself

982
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:27,239
Speaker 4: on the backside of the formation one on one. I

983
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,840
Speaker 4: know it's man coverage. I know it's a linebacker, a

984
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 4: rookie linebacker. I'm like, this is the easiest touchdown I'm

985
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 4: ever going to score. And sure enough like I run up,

986
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 4: run out on the corner and I'm like, oh, yep,

987
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 4: this is gonna be the easiest touch on ever. Well,

988
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 4: balls in the air. It seemed like forever I catch

989
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,640
Speaker 4: a touchdown, he swipes my legs out. And then I

990
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 4: was just so hyped that I finally scored a touchdown.

991
00:54:48,280 --> 00:54:50,520
Speaker 4: I didn't even like my knee didn't even hurt. So

992
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,319
Speaker 4: I go to the sideline and you know, like celebrating

993
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 4: the touchdown. You know, I go back out there. I'm

994
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 4: playing the rest of the first half. Well, then the

995
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 4: last drive before the half. It was like four or

996
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 4: five plays before halftime. I kind of got crossed over

997
00:55:05,920 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 4: and like my knee buckled and I got like a

998
00:55:08,719 --> 00:55:13,359
Speaker 4: zinger through my knee non contact. I had never torn

999
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:15,319
Speaker 4: an ACL before, so I have no idea what it

1000
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,319
Speaker 4: feels like. But I can imagine the guys that just

1001
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,759
Speaker 4: go down, you know with a non contact ACL. That's

1002
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 4: similar to what it would feel like. So I got up,

1003
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 4: I walked off the field. Our head trainers like what happened.

1004
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,200
Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I kind of got crossed over

1005
00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 4: and my knee buckled, and you know, I felt something

1006
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:34,920
Speaker 4: pop and he was like all right, you need to

1007
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,040
Speaker 4: go to the locker room. So they take me straight

1008
00:55:37,040 --> 00:55:40,960
Speaker 4: into the locker room. The doctors do the ACL tests

1009
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 4: and they're like, we can't guarantee you, but you're right.

1010
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,200
Speaker 4: ACL certainly doesn't feel like you're left. We'll get this

1011
00:55:50,360 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 4: to get the images tomorrow do MRI, but we think

1012
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:57,799
Speaker 4: you tore your a CL. So I go back to

1013
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 4: my locker. I text my wife. I'm like, hey, I

1014
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 4: just tore my ACL. She calls me immediately, she's like,

1015
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 4: I'm watching the game. I didn't even see you get hurt.

1016
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:05,360
Speaker 3: What happened?

1017
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:08,759
Speaker 4: Like, well, I you know, non contact, I just felt

1018
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 4: something buckle on my knee. Well, all of this happened.

1019
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 4: I did even mention to any doctors along the way, Hey,

1020
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 4: on my touchdown pass, I smashed my knee into the turf,

1021
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 4: which ultimately caused a PCL sprain, which causes the instability

1022
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 4: and the knee. So these doctors had no idea. I

1023
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 4: go in on Monday, I get the MRI. My ACL

1024
00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:34,080
Speaker 4: is completely fine. It's a PCL sprain. So there are

1025
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,360
Speaker 4: certain complexities and injuries that you deal with on site

1026
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:44,239
Speaker 4: that ultimately until there's the imaging done the next day,

1027
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:46,200
Speaker 4: you just can't tell.

1028
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:47,479
Speaker 3: And you know, to me, I.

1029
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:50,480
Speaker 4: Was like, oh yeah, I probably should have mentioned that.

1030
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 4: Like I got in there next morning and they were

1031
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,360
Speaker 4: asking about, like, wait a minute, like what you described

1032
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 4: to us is not a mechanism for a PCL injury.

1033
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,759
Speaker 4: I'm like, no, it's not. But go back and watch

1034
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:04,879
Speaker 4: the touchdown. And they watched a touchdown. They're like, yeah,

1035
00:57:04,920 --> 00:57:06,120
Speaker 4: this makes complete sense.

1036
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:08,680
Speaker 2: Now, got it. Got what, by the way, was that

1037
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 2: was that your last play?

1038
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:12,280
Speaker 3: That was my last play?

1039
00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:13,280
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1040
00:57:13,360 --> 00:57:16,560
Speaker 2: And did how quickly after all those conversations did you

1041
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:17,919
Speaker 2: know you were done?

1042
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:18,959
Speaker 3: Well?

1043
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 4: It was interesting because you know, I went from in

1044
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 4: the locker room in Atlanta thinking I had a torn

1045
00:57:25,640 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 4: ACL you know, Sunday call it if a game was

1046
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 4: at one that was probably at about two fifteen ish,

1047
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 4: you know, be about right, it was literally right before halftime,

1048
00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 4: to thinking all right, like this year didn't really go

1049
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,160
Speaker 4: anyway I thought it was going to from our success

1050
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 4: as a team to my role individually. I kind of touchdown.

1051
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 4: I you know, hey, I finally got in the game

1052
00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 4: and was used in the red zone and we look

1053
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:01,400
Speaker 4: at that it worked, So I kind of touchdown and ultimately,

1054
00:58:01,560 --> 00:58:03,520
Speaker 4: like this is just the way it's gonna go. Like

1055
00:58:03,560 --> 00:58:06,840
Speaker 4: I tore my ACL and you know, so be it.

1056
00:58:06,840 --> 00:58:09,439
Speaker 4: It was a good run, fun while it lasted. Type

1057
00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 4: of a deal to going in Monday morning and being like, hey, guys,

1058
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:17,840
Speaker 4: I feel pretty good. Like again, I've never torn ACL,

1059
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 4: so I don't know what it's like, but it's really

1060
00:58:21,080 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 4: not that swollen.

1061
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,959
Speaker 3: I've got pretty decent range of motion.

1062
00:58:24,600 --> 00:58:26,000
Speaker 4: So they're like, all right, you know, I think my

1063
00:58:26,120 --> 00:58:28,840
Speaker 4: MRI was scheduled for like eleven that morning or something

1064
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 4: like that, and you know, so I got treatment all morning,

1065
00:58:32,400 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 4: go to the imaging center, get the image, and like

1066
00:58:35,120 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 4: I had a call right away from our head trainer.

1067
00:58:38,000 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 4: He's like, hey, your acls not torn. I'm like, what

1068
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 4: do you mean My a CL's not torn. He's like, no,

1069
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,960
Speaker 4: it's it's your ACL is fine. It's just it's just

1070
00:58:45,000 --> 00:58:46,960
Speaker 4: a PCL injury. And I'm like, well, I don't need

1071
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,600
Speaker 4: a PCL. I can play, right because we had we

1072
00:58:49,640 --> 00:58:55,600
Speaker 4: had a Monday night game against the Cowboys. So ultimately,

1073
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 4: like my mindset completely shifted from hey it's all over

1074
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 4: to hey, you got an next your day this week

1075
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,200
Speaker 4: to heal and get out there and play. Yeah, I

1076
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:09,360
Speaker 4: can play ultimately we talked. I just talked about this before.

1077
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,120
Speaker 4: You know, every head coach is different, every staff is different.

1078
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 4: I had a long rapport with the staff in Minnesota,

1079
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 4: who knew, Hey, look like, who cares if he doesn't practice.

1080
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:21,240
Speaker 3: If he says he's good enough to go play, let

1081
00:59:21,320 --> 00:59:21,920
Speaker 3: him go play.

1082
00:59:23,040 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: You know.

1083
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Speaker 4: I didn't practice Wednesday or Thursday. I went out and

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Speaker 4: ran a little bit on Friday morning just to try

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Speaker 4: to show the staff that I was trying to play

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Speaker 4: and ready to play. But like I said, up to

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Speaker 4: that point, most of the games, I was a healthy

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Speaker 4: scratch anyways. So the fact that I wasn't healthy, I

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Speaker 4: definitely was going to be a scratch. So ultimately I

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Speaker 4: didn't dress for the game, and that was my last

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Speaker 4: play in Atlanta.

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Speaker 2: coming upneck, who is the MVP? And why is one

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Speaker 2: Kyle Rudolph, Mark Willard, Fox Sports Radio. Well run run Rudolph,

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Speaker 2: C Mart Weis's going to be along here in just

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Speaker 2: a couple of minutes with what's trending and so we

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Speaker 2: can get to the MVP conversation maybe op of that.

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Speaker 2: But the number is out, Kyle, The forty nine ers

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Speaker 2: Eagles number has been released.

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Speaker 1: Have you seen it?

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Speaker 3: I have not?

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Speaker 2: Okay, good, I'm glad you have not seen it. Would

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Speaker 2: you reboot your prediction again please? On what you think

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Speaker 2: this number is for next Sundays forty nine Ers at

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Speaker 2: Eagles game.

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Speaker 4: I think the Eagles get the beneficiary three points for

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Speaker 4: being home.

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Speaker 2: Okay, would you be surprised to find out that you

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01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:42,240
Speaker 2: are off by five points and that the Eagles at

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Speaker 2: ten and one, are the underdog at home.

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Speaker 4: So so my initial pick when I thought the game

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Speaker 4: was in San Francisco is actually spot on.

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Speaker 1: Yep, exactly right, two and a half. I'm shocked by this.

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Speaker 2: It opened it one and a half, and maybe even

1129
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:07,360
Speaker 2: more surprising, the money immediately came in on the Niners

1130
01:02:07,880 --> 01:02:10,960
Speaker 2: and the number has already gone up to two. The

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01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,560
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers are a two point favorite. And you

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Speaker 2: know what's ringing in my head is the question that

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Speaker 2: I asked you. I would say it must have been

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Speaker 2: maybe two weeks ago at least, or maybe actually it

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01:02:25,160 --> 01:02:27,400
Speaker 2: was many more weeks prior to their losing streak, but

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Speaker 2: I think it was after the Niners game against Jacksonville,

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01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,720
Speaker 2: and so they had come out of their buy. They

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Speaker 2: had looked really good, and obviously they've now put together

1139
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Speaker 2: a three game win streak coming out of their buy.

1140
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Speaker 2: So this would have been because they played on Thursday night.

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01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,800
Speaker 2: So yeah, exactly two weeks ago. We sat here and

1142
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Speaker 2: I said, look, everybody's got.

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Speaker 1: To stumble out there.

1144
01:02:52,920 --> 01:02:56,959
Speaker 2: But when each team is at their healthiest and at

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01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 2: their best who's the best team in the NFL, and

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Speaker 2: you said the forty nine Ers, And despite a ten

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Speaker 2: to one record five and zero through a gauntlet of opponents.

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Speaker 1: They just beat the Chiefs and Bills in back to

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Speaker 1: back games.

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Speaker 2: And here we are looking at the forty nine Ers

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Speaker 2: as a road favorite at Philly in December. That is

1152
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Speaker 2: a hell of a statement.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's interesting because I feel like, you know,

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Speaker 4: you said it earlier talking about the spread with the

1155
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Speaker 4: Bills being closer than you thought it should have been

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Speaker 4: and totally ultimately ended up being a close game. And

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Speaker 4: you know, we always a joke that Vegas kind of

1158
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:42,960
Speaker 4: always knows and how much goes into these spreads. And

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Speaker 4: you know, when I think about Philly, where they're at

1160
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Speaker 4: at ten and one, having just played a overtime, tough

1161
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Speaker 4: physical I talked about it. They took body blow after

1162
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:58,680
Speaker 4: body blow after body blow, ultimately found a way to

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Speaker 4: win it late and over time, whereas the forty nine

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Speaker 4: Ers had a cake walk four days ago on Thursday

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Speaker 4: night and have Yeah, they've been sitting at home, they've

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Speaker 4: been resting, and I assume that has to go into

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Speaker 4: it at this point.

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Speaker 3: And I ultimately believe.

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Speaker 4: You know, I talk about Dallas the night that they

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Speaker 4: played San Francisco on Sunday Night Football, and we talked

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Speaker 4: about it was a bigger game for Brock perty Dak Prescott,

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Speaker 4: forty nine Ers Cowboys, and I said, look, Dak would

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Speaker 4: trade losing tonight in the fashion that they lost in

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Speaker 4: ultimately for winning in January. That's that's all that matters

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Speaker 4: for the Cowboys at this point, is winning in January.

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Speaker 4: And So when I think about kind of those three teams,

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Speaker 4: because I believe that those three teams will get to

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Speaker 4: Detroit in a minute, you know they yep, they they

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Speaker 4: were in the category for a little bit as hey

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Speaker 4: we belong, and you know, the last two weeks they

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Speaker 4: showed us that, hey, maybe we don't belong yet.

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Speaker 3: So I'm gonna stick.

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Speaker 4: With just those three teams that we've said all year

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Speaker 4: are kind of the cream of the crop in the NFC.

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Speaker 3: And when I see the forty.

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Speaker 4: Nine ers clicking on all cylinders, completely healthy on both

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Speaker 4: sides of the ball, it's just it's a team that's

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Speaker 4: hard to beat. And you know, that's ultimately why I said,

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Speaker 4: I think it was actually during the losing streak that

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Speaker 4: we talked about it because you know it was, Hey,

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Speaker 4: look like this forty nine Ers team, like, I'm not

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Speaker 4: worried about them when when they get everybody back, they

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Speaker 4: will be a problem. And ultimately here they are now

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Speaker 4: on the three game winning streak after getting everybody healthy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Okay, more on this in a sect because

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Speaker 2: I find it completely fascinating. But let's get Martin Weiss

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Speaker 2: in here and get the latest with everything that's going

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Speaker 2: on on a very very busy Sunday.

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Speaker 1: First, Hey, Martin, what's hey, man? Mark, Kyle, hi, y'all doing?

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Speaker 7: We got Sunday night football right now. Ravens and the

1201
01:06:04,040 --> 01:06:06,960
Speaker 7: Chargers at the two minute warning are just about Ravens

1202
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 7: with a seven to three lead. Both quarterbacks looking decent

1203
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Speaker 7: so far. Lamar Jackson eleven fourteen for one to eleven

1204
01:06:13,120 --> 01:06:17,040
Speaker 7: through the air. One touchdown adds twenty five rushing yards

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Speaker 7: to that total. Justin Herbert six for nine. Chargers offense

1206
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:23,080
Speaker 7: really has not been able to get started yet so far. Today,

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01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,080
Speaker 7: Odell Beckham has three catches for thirty four yards. Zay

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Speaker 7: Flowers as the touchdown score again for the Baltimore Ravens,

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01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,080
Speaker 7: who is third and fourth and fifteen now, but there's

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Speaker 7: a flag on the play. We'll see where that ends up.

1211
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Speaker 7: Might be Ravens ball, might be punning in a way.

1212
01:06:36,440 --> 01:06:39,480
Speaker 7: In the NHL, we got Nashville Predators three winni back

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Speaker 7: debts nothing with three thirty left in the second period.

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Speaker 7: Late in the first period, about six minutes left in

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Speaker 7: the first period between the Ducks and the Oilers, Oilers

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Speaker 7: have a three to two lead over Anaheim. Conor McDavid,

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Speaker 7: one of the scorers in that matchup. In the NBA,

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01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 7: at the Nets and the Bulls, with about four to

1219
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 7: thirty left in the fourth quarter, the Nets have a

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Speaker 7: one to thirteen to ninety seven lead. Spencer did Winy

1221
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 7: the high point man there with twenty two and seven assists.

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Speaker 7: Five or four left in the fourth quarter. For the

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Speaker 7: Raptors and the Cavaliers. It's the home team Cleveland with

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Speaker 7: a five point lead ninety three to eighty eight. Max Strus,

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Speaker 7: formerly of the Miami Heat, now starting for the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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Speaker 7: He is the high guy there with twenty points and

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Speaker 7: ten rebounds and with ten minutes left in the third quarter.

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Speaker 7: The Nuggets and the Spurs, you have the former finals

1229
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Speaker 7: MVP and the number one overall pick in this matchup

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01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 7: Nuggets seven and zero at home. They may continue that

1231
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 7: streak now they have seventy four to sixty seven is

1232
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Speaker 7: the margin.

1233
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Speaker 1: Denver in the lead.

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Speaker 7: Viktor Webbin Yamo has seventeen points, nine rebounds, four steals,

1235
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Speaker 7: and Nikola Jokics has twenty one points six assists. Justin

1236
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:45,200
Speaker 7: Tucker in the NFL back to that Sunday night football game,

1237
01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:48,400
Speaker 7: just added a field goal to the margin ten to three.

1238
01:07:49,160 --> 01:07:51,840
Speaker 7: The lead for the Ravens over the Chargers one minute

1239
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Speaker 7: twelve seconds left in the second quarter. Mark Kyle, back

1240
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Speaker 7: to you guys.

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Speaker 2: Okay Martin, good stuff. Appreciate it, Tyreck dot Com Studios.

1242
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 2: And indeed it is a ten to three lead for

1243
01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: the Ravens. Kyle, you just said it, you know. And

1244
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 2: I actually was interested in maybe putting a dollar or

1245
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,840
Speaker 2: two on the Bills today plus two and a half

1246
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:16,120
Speaker 2: because my very rudimentary betting philosophy is when I see

1247
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:19,720
Speaker 2: a spread that I'm like, that doesn't make sense, I

1248
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:24,720
Speaker 2: lean into it because I'm like, there's a reason. I mean,

1249
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:27,719
Speaker 2: the Eagles minus two and a half at home against

1250
01:08:27,760 --> 01:08:30,920
Speaker 2: the Bills, who have had everything go wrong. Why wouldn't

1251
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:34,760
Speaker 2: the Eagles cover it, and even though they did eventually

1252
01:08:34,840 --> 01:08:37,639
Speaker 2: by a half point, I think everybody who could look

1253
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: at this can see like, if you were on the

1254
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:45,679
Speaker 2: Bill side today, that was kind of probably the right side.

1255
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 2: I know in the end it lost, but you had

1256
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,920
Speaker 2: it a number of different ways, leading by three and

1257
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,679
Speaker 2: the Eagles lining up a fifty nine yard field goal

1258
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 2: in the rain with thirty seconds, I think you'd take

1259
01:08:56,920 --> 01:09:00,000
Speaker 2: your chances. But the Eagles found a way to get

1260
01:09:00,160 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 2: it into overtime, and then the Bills had a miscommunication

1261
01:09:03,920 --> 01:09:06,160
Speaker 2: in overtime that would have won the game. They didn't

1262
01:09:06,160 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 2: get that. On and on we go. But you're right

1263
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:11,320
Speaker 2: that Vegas was right. It was going to be a

1264
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,080
Speaker 2: really close game. But it makes me scratch my head.

1265
01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:17,400
Speaker 2: Outside of all the things that you just brought up,

1266
01:09:17,400 --> 01:09:22,320
Speaker 2: which makes sense, Nners more rested, potentially healthier too. Jason

1267
01:09:22,400 --> 01:09:25,280
Speaker 2: Kelcey walked off the field at the end of this

1268
01:09:25,439 --> 01:09:29,519
Speaker 2: game tonight. We don't know about Lane Johnson. Fletcher Cox

1269
01:09:29,560 --> 01:09:32,400
Speaker 2: had some problems in this game. Maybe there's trench problems

1270
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 2: for the Eagles that we don't know about yet.

1271
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:36,600
Speaker 1: That's entirely possible.

1272
01:09:37,200 --> 01:09:41,360
Speaker 2: But outside of that, at ten to one, with wins

1273
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:46,240
Speaker 2: over the last six weeks against the Chiefs, Bills, Cowboys,

1274
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:49,880
Speaker 2: and Dolphins. I'm sitting here going, what is it that

1275
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:53,240
Speaker 2: the oddsmakers want to see or what is it that

1276
01:09:53,280 --> 01:09:57,120
Speaker 2: they still don't believe about the Philadelphia Eagles to make

1277
01:09:57,160 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 2: them an underdog at home in this game?

1278
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:02,800
Speaker 4: You know, And I think back to the last two

1279
01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 4: weeks and just the way the games kind of played out,

1280
01:10:06,680 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 4: being down. I believe it was seventeen to seven both weeks.

1281
01:10:12,240 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 4: At halftime you get down seventeen to seven to the

1282
01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:18,639
Speaker 4: forty nine ers. You know, It's just it's a team

1283
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,920
Speaker 4: that plays at a completely different style than the Chiefs

1284
01:10:21,960 --> 01:10:24,120
Speaker 4: and the Bills. And you know, I talked about at

1285
01:10:24,120 --> 01:10:25,800
Speaker 4: the top of the show that the Bills are a

1286
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:27,760
Speaker 4: team that started to run the ball a little bit,

1287
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,640
Speaker 4: but that's not their identity. They want the ball in

1288
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,880
Speaker 4: Josh Allen's hands so he can either win or lose

1289
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:36,679
Speaker 4: them the game. Like he played like a warrior today

1290
01:10:36,680 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 4: over four hundred yards of offense. You know, he played

1291
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,760
Speaker 4: like the Josh Allen that we put in that stratosphere.

1292
01:10:43,960 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 3: Of elite quarterbacks.

1293
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,240
Speaker 4: He made plays with his arm, with his legs, he

1294
01:10:48,280 --> 01:10:51,439
Speaker 4: was all over the Field played incredible. But again, I

1295
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 4: think when you talk about this Philadelphia Eagles team, and

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Speaker 4: aside from Jalen Hurts and what he's able to do

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Speaker 4: at the quarterback position, the reason why they are so

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Speaker 4: good and have been so good for the last couple

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Speaker 4: of years is that trench offense and defensive line. And

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Speaker 4: you mentioned it, they're banged up up front. It's it's

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Speaker 4: that time of year. It's a team that just you know,

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Speaker 4: certainly they made it through the last five games, going

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Speaker 4: five and zero, but at what price. You know, you're

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Speaker 4: seeing this roster start to get beat up a little bit,

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Speaker 4: you know, like Vegas always knows, like they that line

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Speaker 4: is that line for a reason. We talked about it

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Speaker 4: when it was on your radio show. Actually with the

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Speaker 4: forty nine Ers and the Vikings, when you asked me

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Speaker 4: that Monday night game who I thought was gonna win,

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Speaker 4: and I said, you know, I have to go with

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Speaker 4: the Vikings, not because that's who I played for, but

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Speaker 4: at that point in the season, you know, the Vikings,

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Speaker 4: the game was so much more important for them. The

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Speaker 4: forty nine Ers, Yeah, they had lost the week before,

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Speaker 4: but it really wasn't that big of a deal, you know,

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Speaker 4: certainly they were banged up, but you know, I kind of.

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Speaker 3: See a little bit of that here.

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Speaker 4: Like the Eagles are ten to one, their biggest game

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Speaker 4: is the following week to make sure that they keep

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Speaker 4: the Cowboys more than two games back.

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Speaker 3: You know, then they go, like we said, they.

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Speaker 4: Go to Seattle, which Seattle has stumbled as of late,

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Speaker 4: and then it's Giants Cardinals, Giants. So when you look

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Speaker 4: at Philly and their last five games after this one,

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Speaker 4: you know, it's like, hey, look, you know, really the

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Speaker 4: biggest one on their schedule is this this Cowboys at

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Speaker 4: Dallas in December. So again, like people are like, well,

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Speaker 4: it's it's a one week season, like every game is

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Speaker 4: the biggest game.

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Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, that's true.

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Speaker 4: But like when you're going through the run of games

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Speaker 4: that this team has gone through. We've talked at length

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Speaker 4: about this historic stretch of tough games, it's like at

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01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,960
Speaker 4: some point it catches up to you and it looks

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Speaker 4: like Vegas is putting their chips on it being this

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Speaker 4: week against the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 2: Well, if the Eagles lose this game, they've still got

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Speaker 2: what would in theory sort of be like a half

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Speaker 2: game lead. Therefore, the inside track on home field advantage

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Speaker 2: throughout the playoffs, it would still be in their hands.

1341
01:13:23,439 --> 01:13:26,320
Speaker 2: Put it that way, if the forty nine Ers lose,

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01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:30,400
Speaker 2: you can pretty much put a rap on the idea

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Speaker 2: of getting home field throughout the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: I don't see how being.

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Speaker 2: Two back of Philly with a loss in hand is realistic.

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Speaker 1: So maybe you're right.

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01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 2: Maybe the more rested forty nine ers will play more

1348
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 2: desperate and that factors into it. It makes a whole

1349
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 2: lot of sense. All right, more on that and at

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Speaker 2: long last, the MVP conversation. Who is the MVP and

1351
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Speaker 2: why is one quarterback being left out of the conversation

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Speaker 2: with Kyle Rudolph Mark Willard on Fox Sports Radio. All Right,

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Speaker 2: we are live in the tie rag dot Com studios.

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Speaker 2: You know what, Kyle, I might have made a mistake.

1355
01:14:11,720 --> 01:14:15,680
Speaker 2: I'm just sitting here working through some numbers and some

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Speaker 2: scenarios and situations, and I kept saying that, you know,

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Speaker 2: the MVP race is out there, it's starting to come

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Speaker 2: into form as we go into the final quarter of

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Speaker 2: the season, if you will. And one quarterback is being

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Speaker 2: left out of the conversation. And I've decided that the

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Speaker 2: two quarterbacks are actually being left out of the conversation unfairly.

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Speaker 2: Do you know off the top of your head who

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Speaker 2: the top two rated quarterbacks are in the NFL?

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Speaker 4: If I were to guess off the top of my head,

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Speaker 4: I would guess Brock Purdy and CJ.

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Speaker 1: Shroud.

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Speaker 2: Okay, You're one for two on that. And quarterback rating

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Speaker 2: is just is just that. It's a stat. It's one thing.

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Speaker 2: It is far from the end all be all. But

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Speaker 2: the top two rated quarterbacks in the NFL also boast

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Speaker 2: the top two completion percentage ratings in the NFL. They

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Speaker 2: also are right among the leaders in terms of touchdown

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01:15:25,240 --> 01:15:28,519
Speaker 2: to interception ratio, And granted these things are all baked

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Speaker 2: in together. These are the things that lead to quarterback rating.

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Speaker 2: What's really wild, though, is both of them quarterback eight

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Speaker 2: and three football teams. But I don't hear anybody talking

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Speaker 2: about either of them as the likely MVP. And I'm

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01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how that's possible. How are you

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01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:51,800
Speaker 2: quarterbacking eight and three teams? How are you the top

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Speaker 2: two rated quarterbacks in.

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Speaker 1: The entire league.

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Speaker 2: You're blowing stats out of the water in terms of

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01:15:58,439 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 2: touchdown to interception, yet no one really wants to mention

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01:16:03,800 --> 01:16:08,799
Speaker 2: you next to Patrick Mahomes, Jalen Hurtz, and Lamar Jackson,

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Speaker 2: And obviously those three are wonderful players and deserve to

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Speaker 2: be in this conversation. I'm simply saying that they should

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Speaker 2: have company. Brock Perty and Dak Prescott are the answers.

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Speaker 2: They have both completed eleven games, they are both eight

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Speaker 2: and three. I know both of them have had at

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Speaker 2: least one or two sort of high profile missteps. I

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Speaker 2: would argue DA's was bigger than prax. Dak went out

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01:16:38,760 --> 01:16:41,680
Speaker 2: on Sunday Night Football and turned the ball over like

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Speaker 2: crazy and got blown out by thirty two points. Party's

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Speaker 2: never had a game like that. But when you stack

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Speaker 2: their stats up next to one another, they're very, very similar.

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Speaker 2: And I just don't remember too many times in NFL

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Speaker 2: history when quarterbacks blow the stats out of the water,

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Speaker 2: set a top the heap in terms of rating and

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Speaker 2: completion percentage and touchdowns and interceptions, and their teams are

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Speaker 2: right there at eight and three, try it hard for

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Speaker 2: one seeds and division championships in playoff spots, and nobody

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Speaker 2: even brings their name up.

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Speaker 1: That's odd to me.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think Dak, you make a good point

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Speaker 4: about Dak, and I think Dak has played incredible football,

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01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:33,639
Speaker 4: especially especially if you take out the forty nine Ers game,

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01:17:34,760 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 4: you know, the Sunday night football game that we referenced earlier,

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Speaker 4: in the fact that again, if Dak had to choose,

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Speaker 4: do you want to have that game now or in January,

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Speaker 4: He's gonna say now every time, because ultimately he's judged

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Speaker 4: by what the Cowboys do in January. And I think

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Speaker 4: he certainly deserves to be up there with the year

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Speaker 4: that he's having and kind of where the Cowboys are

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Speaker 4: getting the biggest thing the Cowboys much like the Dolphins

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Speaker 4: right now, and Tua kind of being in the same spot.

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Speaker 4: And it's interesting. I just pulled up the DraftKings odds

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Speaker 4: for MVP right now, and Tua and Dak sit at

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Speaker 4: four and five, So you know, they're right there, two

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Speaker 4: hundred and fifty points apart, and the odds on favorite

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Speaker 4: to win MVP, and they're kind of sitting in the

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Speaker 4: same scenario where you know they're putting up good statistics,

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Speaker 4: their teams are right there at the top of their

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Speaker 4: the division, you know, battling for division championships, battling for

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Speaker 4: number one overall, seeds in the conference, but they don't

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Speaker 4: have those signature wins this year that an MVP has

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Speaker 4: to have. Now we get to the other guy in Brock,

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Speaker 4: and again I will remain true to this point. Right

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Speaker 4: after DAK number six, Christian McCaffrey, I just he can't

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01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:08,200
Speaker 4: he can't get past his own teammate to get into

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Speaker 4: the top six. So you know, it's like, again, he

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01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 4: had that three game stretch where, yeah, Christian was out

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Speaker 4: there early in those three games, he was banged up with.

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Speaker 3: The shoulder whatever it was that he had.

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Speaker 4: And that was like his that was his MVP moment

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Speaker 4: to kind of like grab the bull by the horns

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01:19:28,880 --> 01:19:32,160
Speaker 4: and go win big games without all of his fancy

1437
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:35,760
Speaker 4: toys around him, and he ultimately wasn't able to take

1438
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:39,679
Speaker 4: advantage of it. So you know that I was kind

1439
01:19:39,680 --> 01:19:43,799
Speaker 4: of stay true to that. But it's it's certainly interesting

1440
01:19:43,840 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 4: when you look at Jalen Hurts, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes,

1441
01:19:48,120 --> 01:19:53,200
Speaker 4: you know, years where they're not really having their best years.

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Speaker 3: Like we're a customer, I'm having.

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01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:56,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt.

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01:19:56,600 --> 01:19:58,559
Speaker 2: I think there's so much more meat on the ball

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Speaker 2: as far as this conversation, and it's quite wild to

1446
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 2: me when I watched the Chiefs offense today was one

1447
01:20:05,040 --> 01:20:08,240
Speaker 2: of the first days in a long time where I'm like, oh,

1448
01:20:08,360 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 2: they finally look like the Chiefs, So why is it

1449
01:20:11,600 --> 01:20:12,320
Speaker 2: the way it is?

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Speaker 1: More on that next on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 2: to Rich Ornberger and along with Steve Hartman, and they

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Speaker 2: were having a conversation about Bill Belichick and the struggles

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Speaker 2: that the New England.

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Speaker 1: Patriots are having. For my tastes with.

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Speaker 2: The football that we're watching right now, that's the worst

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Speaker 2: team in the NFL. And I don't know that I've

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Speaker 2: ever thought I would say that about a team coach

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Speaker 2: by Bill Belichick.

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Speaker 1: More on that down the road.

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Speaker 2: The reason I bring it up is they're having a

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Speaker 2: conversation and he says, what we've learned through the years

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Speaker 2: is that you cannot play good football in the NFL

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Speaker 2: unless you have top level performances at the quarterback position.

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Speaker 1: You have to have a really good quarterbacking in order

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Speaker 1: to win.

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Speaker 2: So I would argue that the game managers, quote unquote,

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Speaker 2: the famous ones who get named every time we have

1480
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Speaker 2: this kind of a talk through the years, It's Trent Dilfer,

1481
01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:02,000
Speaker 2: It's Brad Johnson, Joe's Wacko. These are the guys that

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01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 2: get named because it was almost as if they got

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01:22:04,360 --> 01:22:08,479
Speaker 2: dragged to a super Bowl championship or something and granted

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01:22:08,520 --> 01:22:11,160
Speaker 2: all of them, you know, Jeff Hostetler Nick falls to

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01:22:11,240 --> 01:22:15,439
Speaker 2: a degree, guys who stepped in. Those guys only did

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01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:19,719
Speaker 2: it once, and so maybe that's why the conversation goes

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01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,760
Speaker 2: the way it goes. But I still sit here and

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Speaker 2: look at the likes of a brock Party to a

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Speaker 2: degree at Dak Prescott as well, and I scratch my

1490
01:22:30,160 --> 01:22:34,439
Speaker 2: head at the idea that somebody can be dragged along

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01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:39,519
Speaker 2: to being the top rated QB in the NFL, someone

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01:22:39,600 --> 01:22:45,799
Speaker 2: who is literally among the top all time in yards

1493
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:50,800
Speaker 2: per attempt? How are you going to reckon that stat?

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Speaker 2: If you lead the league and you are among the

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01:22:55,280 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 2: top three all time in yards per attempt, how are

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01:23:00,360 --> 01:23:03,120
Speaker 2: you going to say it's because of Christian McCaffrey.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand.

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Speaker 2: How can it be Christian McCaffrey that's making Brock Purty

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01:23:10,200 --> 01:23:14,520
Speaker 2: thread the needle to Brandon Aiyuk in between four defenders

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01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:17,240
Speaker 2: down the field to put a game away on the road.

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01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:20,880
Speaker 2: That that's the kind of stuff that I can't understand

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01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:22,120
Speaker 2: that we miss Kyle.

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01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:27,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, unfortunately he wasn't able to do it without Debo,

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01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:31,400
Speaker 4: without Trent, and ultimately, like again, that's what I'm going

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01:23:31,479 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 4: to go back to, like Brock perty had his moment

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01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:37,240
Speaker 4: to say, look, this is my team. Yes, the guys

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Speaker 4: around me are incredible. When we have the run game

1508
01:23:41,240 --> 01:23:44,960
Speaker 4: that we have that isn't just Christian McCaffrey, it's Deebo,

1509
01:23:45,080 --> 01:23:50,240
Speaker 4: Samuel and Christian and Trent Williams setting the tone up front.

1510
01:23:50,280 --> 01:23:52,840
Speaker 4: I mean it's a completely different football team. When Trent

1511
01:23:52,880 --> 01:23:55,720
Speaker 4: Williams is on the field versus the three weeks that

1512
01:23:55,800 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 4: Trent missed. You know, you just look at the mentality

1513
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:03,760
Speaker 4: at which they play with on offense and defense. I

1514
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 4: remember sitting here talking about Steve Wilkes and the scheme

1515
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,519
Speaker 4: on defense and is that the problem? And it's like, no,

1516
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:16,479
Speaker 4: like the issue again, like whether we're talking about Bill

1517
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:22,160
Speaker 4: Belichick or Mike Tomlin or any coordinator coach. You know,

1518
01:24:22,320 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 4: I've heard this saying throughout my entire career, it's not

1519
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 4: about x'es and o's, It's about jimmy and Joe's and

1520
01:24:29,720 --> 01:24:31,519
Speaker 4: that always remains true.

1521
01:24:33,000 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 3: This this forty nine Ers team.

1522
01:24:34,640 --> 01:24:36,920
Speaker 4: Again, I mentioned we played him in two thousand and

1523
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:39,880
Speaker 4: it was January of twenty twenty, but it was a

1524
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:44,559
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen season Division A round in San fran and

1525
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:48,680
Speaker 4: they're just rolling rusher after rusher after rusher.

1526
01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 3: In the game.

1527
01:24:49,400 --> 01:24:52,679
Speaker 4: And that's why that forty nine Ers defense was as

1528
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,559
Speaker 4: tough as it was to go against. And ultimately you

1529
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 4: see what they were able to do bringing in a

1530
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 4: Randy Gregory trading for Chase Young at the end of

1531
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:06,360
Speaker 4: the trade deadline. You see what that rush has turned

1532
01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 4: into the last three weeks and all of that plays

1533
01:25:10,760 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 4: into the team's ultimate success. And I feel like that's

1534
01:25:16,840 --> 01:25:20,719
Speaker 4: that's what people use against a guy who goes twenty

1535
01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:24,599
Speaker 4: one of thirty two hundred yards, one touchdown, one pick

1536
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,559
Speaker 4: on Thanksgiving. Yeah, it's just okay, he's not going out

1537
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,439
Speaker 4: and throwing for four touchdowns or three hundred yards, and

1538
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:37,599
Speaker 4: that doesn't diminish the skill set that Rock Party has.

1539
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:42,559
Speaker 4: That's just what steers the narrative and it always will.

1540
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess, and it's not that I don't understand

1541
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:49,000
Speaker 2: where you're coming from, but that narrative, as we know,

1542
01:25:49,800 --> 01:25:53,040
Speaker 2: can be busted to the point you made.

1543
01:25:53,080 --> 01:25:55,200
Speaker 1: You know, he wasn't able to do it.

1544
01:25:55,160 --> 01:25:58,320
Speaker 2: With Trett Williams and Debo not in well when they

1545
01:25:58,360 --> 01:26:01,000
Speaker 2: lost that game, for instance, the most recent loss to

1546
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 2: the Bengals thirty one seventeen. I'm certainly not going to

1547
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,599
Speaker 2: work my way through the two interceptions that he threw

1548
01:26:08,640 --> 01:26:12,760
Speaker 2: in the second half. They weren't good interceptions. However, he

1549
01:26:12,880 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: was twenty two of thirty one for three hundred and

1550
01:26:15,160 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: sixty five yards. He also had a touchdown pass and

1551
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,320
Speaker 2: rushed for fifty seven yards.

1552
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:23,520
Speaker 1: So somewhere in there.

1553
01:26:23,360 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 2: You know, when we go, oh, he wasn't able to

1554
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 2: do it without Deebo Samuel and Trent Williams.

1555
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:32,320
Speaker 1: Well, was he not able to do it?

1556
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:36,040
Speaker 2: One thing that you've actually really helped me understand what

1557
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:39,720
Speaker 2: this forty nine er team is the importance around the

1558
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:44,280
Speaker 2: first quarter. Forget the fourth quarter, the first quarter, which

1559
01:26:44,320 --> 01:26:47,400
Speaker 2: suggests that this forty nine er team is built to

1560
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 2: play from ahead, and when they do fall behind, which

1561
01:26:51,320 --> 01:26:54,320
Speaker 2: they did in all of those three games they lost,

1562
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:58,559
Speaker 2: they turned into a very different football team. And we

1563
01:26:58,640 --> 01:27:02,000
Speaker 2: can have that conversation about whether or not you should

1564
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,519
Speaker 2: be built that way, but they're not structured to just

1565
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:08,479
Speaker 2: drop back and huck the ball all over the field

1566
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:12,519
Speaker 2: and rally back from two touchdowns down. I don't know

1567
01:27:12,600 --> 01:27:15,439
Speaker 2: too many teams that actually do well when they're down

1568
01:27:15,479 --> 01:27:20,559
Speaker 2: by two touchdowns, but obviously Jalen Hurts was down by

1569
01:27:20,560 --> 01:27:23,479
Speaker 2: two scorers two weeks in a row and the Eagles

1570
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:24,799
Speaker 2: won both of those games.

1571
01:27:25,240 --> 01:27:26,639
Speaker 1: That kind of stuff helps.

1572
01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:31,679
Speaker 2: But this idea that somehow in that three game losing

1573
01:27:31,720 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 2: streak the Niner offense just completely was inept is not

1574
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:39,880
Speaker 2: really what.

1575
01:27:39,600 --> 01:27:41,479
Speaker 1: Was happening in those football games.

1576
01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:46,840
Speaker 4: No, But I will say this, outside of the Bengals game,

1577
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:50,120
Speaker 4: they scored seventeen points against the Browns and the Vikings

1578
01:27:50,160 --> 01:27:54,599
Speaker 4: and the other two losses. And when I talk about

1579
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,280
Speaker 4: kind of looking at the forty nine Ers as a

1580
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:01,080
Speaker 4: whole and the way that this team is built, you

1581
01:28:01,200 --> 01:28:04,240
Speaker 4: mentioned the success that they have early in games as

1582
01:28:04,240 --> 01:28:08,439
Speaker 4: opposed to you know, if they're down down multiple scores

1583
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:10,400
Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter, we know what the record is.

1584
01:28:10,720 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 4: It's not good. You know, you can argue that that's

1585
01:28:14,720 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 4: good or bad. I've been on teams that are built

1586
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:21,200
Speaker 4: that way, where you rely on good defense, running the football,

1587
01:28:21,200 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 4: and the quarterback being that game manager that we all

1588
01:28:24,600 --> 01:28:27,160
Speaker 4: talk about, which just because they're a game manager doesn't

1589
01:28:27,200 --> 01:28:29,760
Speaker 4: mean they're not talented. It's just how do they fit

1590
01:28:29,840 --> 01:28:32,599
Speaker 4: into the system of the entire team. You look at

1591
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:36,080
Speaker 4: the San Francisco forty nine Ers prior to that Bengals game,

1592
01:28:36,840 --> 01:28:40,360
Speaker 4: twenty three points. It was the win against the Rams

1593
01:28:40,400 --> 01:28:42,120
Speaker 4: when they kick the field goal at the end to

1594
01:28:42,200 --> 01:28:44,960
Speaker 4: go from thirty to twenty to thirty to twenty three.

1595
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,439
Speaker 4: That was the most points they had given up all year.

1596
01:28:49,080 --> 01:28:52,720
Speaker 4: So when you think about the style of play in

1597
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:58,160
Speaker 4: the flow of the game, it's really not not intuitive

1598
01:28:58,360 --> 01:29:01,840
Speaker 4: to Brock to go out and throw the ball over

1599
01:29:01,880 --> 01:29:04,040
Speaker 4: the place like he had to in a game against

1600
01:29:04,040 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 4: the Bengals where hey, they scored thirty one points, they

1601
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,160
Speaker 4: were down in the fourth quarter. He's got to throw

1602
01:29:11,200 --> 01:29:13,400
Speaker 4: the ball up and down the field. Once again, it

1603
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:17,360
Speaker 4: doesn't mean that he can't do it. It's just not

1604
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:21,640
Speaker 4: what's asked of him. Whereas you know, you see a

1605
01:29:21,680 --> 01:29:25,479
Speaker 4: guy like we're watching right now and Justin Herbert, Justin

1606
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,040
Speaker 4: Herbert goes out each and every week and throws it

1607
01:29:28,280 --> 01:29:31,400
Speaker 4: up and down the yard, all over the place because

1608
01:29:31,479 --> 01:29:34,880
Speaker 4: that's what's asked of him. He's also sitting on a

1609
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:37,280
Speaker 4: four and six team with a career record of I

1610
01:29:37,320 --> 01:29:40,080
Speaker 4: believe thirty and thirty since he came out to the NFL.

1611
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:43,360
Speaker 4: So again, it's like, what do you want? Do you

1612
01:29:44,000 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 4: want to be the guy that's always getting the hype

1613
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:50,800
Speaker 4: every off season and then looked at as you know,

1614
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,920
Speaker 4: a quarterback who can't get the job done, and you

1615
01:29:53,960 --> 01:29:57,599
Speaker 4: know your team ultimately is the one that underachieves every year,

1616
01:29:58,200 --> 01:30:03,040
Speaker 4: or the guy who maybe getting snub for MVP votes

1617
01:30:03,240 --> 01:30:08,280
Speaker 4: but yet has only lost three starts as a starting

1618
01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:11,280
Speaker 4: quarterback in the NFL. So you know, it's again, it's

1619
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,200
Speaker 4: like I said, this when we were talking about the

1620
01:30:13,240 --> 01:30:16,880
Speaker 4: forty nine ers during their their little skid. This team

1621
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:19,680
Speaker 4: and I have so much respect for John Lynch and

1622
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 4: Kyle Shanahan and the way they built it because everything

1623
01:30:24,479 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 4: works together, and it's it's built from that front seven

1624
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:35,800
Speaker 4: on defense to a physical run game, and then playmakers.

1625
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,360
Speaker 3: All over on both sides of the football.

1626
01:30:38,840 --> 01:30:41,240
Speaker 4: And that's that's what makes them so tough when they're

1627
01:30:41,240 --> 01:30:42,400
Speaker 4: firing on all cylinders.

1628
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,240
Speaker 2: Well, for me, it's it's maybe taken to a different

1629
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:51,280
Speaker 2: level while we're having a much larger sports conversation, because you're.

1630
01:30:51,200 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 1: Right, MVP votes in the end.

1631
01:30:54,280 --> 01:30:57,160
Speaker 2: I think most fans that's fun, that's a quick aside,

1632
01:30:57,439 --> 01:31:00,599
Speaker 2: but they could give a rip when compared to winning

1633
01:31:00,640 --> 01:31:02,840
Speaker 2: a Super Bowl. You'd much rather have a good team

1634
01:31:03,240 --> 01:31:08,200
Speaker 2: than have your favorite player win MVP. What gets to

1635
01:31:08,280 --> 01:31:14,080
Speaker 2: me in sports is when things are given to individuals

1636
01:31:14,120 --> 01:31:20,120
Speaker 2: solely and teams solely or at least largely based on reputation.

1637
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:24,320
Speaker 2: It's the same reason I can't stand preseason rankings in

1638
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:27,559
Speaker 2: college football. We sit here and it's like, I don't

1639
01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:31,400
Speaker 2: even understand the concept. You're putting a little number next

1640
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:34,759
Speaker 2: to a team totally based on something that you think

1641
01:31:34,920 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 2: might happen, and it's based on who they've been before,

1642
01:31:39,600 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 2: even though players graduate every year, and the only thing

1643
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,240
Speaker 2: that's similar is the logo on the side of their

1644
01:31:46,280 --> 01:31:50,040
Speaker 2: helmet and their laundry. That's it, and I wouldn't be

1645
01:31:50,080 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 2: bothered by it, except those little numbers that you put

1646
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,640
Speaker 2: next to their name matter. They actually matter in the

1647
01:31:56,680 --> 01:32:01,519
Speaker 2: way that the season ends. So it feels like that

1648
01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:04,320
Speaker 2: a little bit. What I can roll through and tell

1649
01:32:04,360 --> 01:32:11,559
Speaker 2: you that the Dolphins, the Bills, the Ravens, the Indianapolis Colts,

1650
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:17,680
Speaker 2: the Houston Texans, the Los Angeles Chargers, the Eagles, the Cowboys,

1651
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:22,559
Speaker 2: the Lions, let's see the forty nine ers as well.

1652
01:32:22,720 --> 01:32:25,040
Speaker 2: All those teams I just mentioned, they've all scored more

1653
01:32:25,080 --> 01:32:28,599
Speaker 2: points than the Chiefs this year, all of them. Like,

1654
01:32:29,040 --> 01:32:31,599
Speaker 2: you can look at the Chiefs offense and you don't

1655
01:32:31,640 --> 01:32:34,200
Speaker 2: have to be some sort of a genius to go

1656
01:32:34,920 --> 01:32:37,479
Speaker 2: it's still a very good football team. But that offense

1657
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,080
Speaker 2: does not look like it has looked for the last

1658
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:40,759
Speaker 2: five years.

1659
01:32:41,080 --> 01:32:41,799
Speaker 1: It just doesn't.

1660
01:32:41,800 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 2: Their defense is better, and so they're still very viable

1661
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:49,320
Speaker 2: and still a contender for sure, But to stick Patrick

1662
01:32:49,360 --> 01:32:54,479
Speaker 2: Mahomes up there feels to me like part of it

1663
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:59,240
Speaker 2: is simply his reputation and previous accomplishments, which is not

1664
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 2: supposed to be what this award is about.

1665
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:08,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, and ultimately I feel like the odds makers have

1666
01:33:08,360 --> 01:33:12,160
Speaker 4: him up there near the top simply because he is

1667
01:33:12,240 --> 01:33:15,759
Speaker 4: the quarterback of the team that is the one seed

1668
01:33:16,120 --> 01:33:19,760
Speaker 4: currently in the AFC. And as you just mentioned, we

1669
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 4: all know that's not because of the offense this year.

1670
01:33:22,479 --> 01:33:26,840
Speaker 4: It's because of their defense, and their defense playing much

1671
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:30,479
Speaker 4: better than it has the previous five years of Patrick's starting.

1672
01:33:31,080 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 4: But you mentioned when you have a reputation, it's almost

1673
01:33:36,600 --> 01:33:40,240
Speaker 4: like everyone just knows all they're gonna figure it out,

1674
01:33:40,320 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 4: and when they do figure it out, we don't want

1675
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:45,320
Speaker 4: to be the ones that said, ah, well, the Chiefs

1676
01:33:45,320 --> 01:33:49,000
Speaker 4: offense is broken, or Patrick Mahomes doesn't deserve to be

1677
01:33:49,000 --> 01:33:52,040
Speaker 4: in the MVP race, because then he comes and says,

1678
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:54,800
Speaker 4: I proved you wrong, like I do belong in the

1679
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 4: MVP race. So yeah, I feel like there's a little

1680
01:33:57,960 --> 01:34:00,960
Speaker 4: bit of that in there as well, where we've seen

1681
01:34:01,000 --> 01:34:04,200
Speaker 4: it time and time again, where I mentioned it kind

1682
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:06,760
Speaker 4: of about halfway through the season when it was hey,

1683
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:11,000
Speaker 4: what's going on with the Chiefs offense? Well, and to me,

1684
01:34:11,080 --> 01:34:13,880
Speaker 4: I'm like, they'll figure it out. They always seem to

1685
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:16,439
Speaker 4: figure it out. We thought this last year. I remember

1686
01:34:16,479 --> 01:34:19,200
Speaker 4: we played them Week four last year and it was

1687
01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:23,040
Speaker 4: kind of, oh, well, or is this Chiefs team gonna

1688
01:34:23,040 --> 01:34:25,599
Speaker 4: be the finally the Chiefs team that takes a step back.

1689
01:34:25,640 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 4: How are they going to be able to do it

1690
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,479
Speaker 4: without Tyreek Hill? I played them the year before that

1691
01:34:30,560 --> 01:34:32,360
Speaker 4: when I was on the Giants. We played them on

1692
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,639
Speaker 4: Monday Night Football in Kansas City and I think they

1693
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,679
Speaker 4: may have even lost two straight coming into the game,

1694
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:41,519
Speaker 4: but they certainly were coming off of I think they

1695
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:43,920
Speaker 4: lost to the Titans and scored three points, and it

1696
01:34:44,080 --> 01:34:46,759
Speaker 4: was what's going on with this Kansas City Chiefs offense?

1697
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,800
Speaker 3: They always seem to figure it out. You know.

1698
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,160
Speaker 4: You saw a little bit that today where you're like,

1699
01:34:53,640 --> 01:34:55,880
Speaker 4: we want to write this Chiefs offense off and then

1700
01:34:55,920 --> 01:34:58,719
Speaker 4: all of a sudden, you know, they go play against

1701
01:34:58,760 --> 01:35:01,880
Speaker 4: our Raiders team that that's played some good football lately.

1702
01:35:01,960 --> 01:35:04,880
Speaker 4: They've kind of had this breath of fresh air with

1703
01:35:04,920 --> 01:35:09,240
Speaker 4: Antonio Pierce coming in. They've played inspired football. They played

1704
01:35:09,320 --> 01:35:12,240
Speaker 4: the Dolphins tough last week in Miami, kind of held

1705
01:35:12,240 --> 01:35:15,360
Speaker 4: that offense in check. And you know, you see them

1706
01:35:15,439 --> 01:35:18,240
Speaker 4: kind of come out and again do what the Chiefs

1707
01:35:18,280 --> 01:35:22,360
Speaker 4: do and just win handedly in the division on the road.

1708
01:35:23,200 --> 01:35:26,240
Speaker 4: And you know, again that doesn't give your rock party

1709
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:30,880
Speaker 4: argument any steam, but it's it's just the reality of

1710
01:35:31,240 --> 01:35:33,240
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City Chiefs.

1711
01:35:33,240 --> 01:35:34,960
Speaker 3: It's like you just you don't.

1712
01:35:34,760 --> 01:35:36,160
Speaker 4: Want to be the one that writes them off and

1713
01:35:36,240 --> 01:35:39,559
Speaker 4: says ultimately like, hey, this isn't the year, because we

1714
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:43,320
Speaker 4: seem to always see them in January and as of

1715
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:46,360
Speaker 4: right now, they're the number one seed in the AFC.

1716
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:48,479
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Speaker 2: say dot com we're talking about elite teams. Well, tucked

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01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:08,120
Speaker 2: into your turkey. Did one of those teams leave that

1722
01:36:08,280 --> 01:36:11,719
Speaker 2: party this week? We'll talk about that coming up next,

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Speaker 2: Mark Willard, Kyle Rudolph, Fox Sports Radio. All right, we

1724
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:23,519
Speaker 2: are live in the ti Iraq dot Com studios. Ravens

1725
01:36:23,560 --> 01:36:26,920
Speaker 2: lead the Chargers thirteen to three, a little bit under

1726
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:30,040
Speaker 2: six to go third quarter. We'll keep you up to date,

1727
01:36:30,640 --> 01:36:33,160
Speaker 2: but I've watched a lot of Charger games, so I

1728
01:36:33,200 --> 01:36:34,160
Speaker 2: could just tell you.

1729
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 1: What's gonna happen now.

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01:36:36,520 --> 01:36:40,559
Speaker 2: They're gonna get another touchdown at a certain point. It'll

1731
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 2: be a three point game one way or the other.

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01:36:44,040 --> 01:36:47,559
Speaker 2: It'll be the fourth quarter, Brandon Staley will make a

1733
01:36:47,600 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 2: call that'll make your head explode, and the Chargers will lose.

1734
01:36:52,920 --> 01:36:56,240
Speaker 2: That's how it works. I don't make the rules. I'm sorry,

1735
01:36:56,560 --> 01:37:02,680
Speaker 2: that's just how it works. They've got to be the

1736
01:37:02,680 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 2: most head scratching football team in the NFL, and I

1737
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,639
Speaker 2: don't think that it's terribly close.

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01:37:09,760 --> 01:37:13,200
Speaker 1: You just mentioned it. Herbert Enders enters this game.

1739
01:37:13,360 --> 01:37:16,240
Speaker 2: Not just with a thirty and thirty career record prior

1740
01:37:16,280 --> 01:37:19,880
Speaker 2: to the start of this game. I believe that in

1741
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:23,519
Speaker 2: those sixty games the Chargers have outscored their opponent by

1742
01:37:24,520 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 2: one point. They've almost scored the exact same number of

1743
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:33,320
Speaker 2: points as their opponents in justin Herbert's entire career. And

1744
01:37:33,400 --> 01:37:35,679
Speaker 2: on a day when their defense is finally playing well,

1745
01:37:35,800 --> 01:37:37,200
Speaker 2: the offense can't do anything.

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01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:39,639
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:42,280
Speaker 4: The only thing that you forgot to mention about how

1748
01:37:42,320 --> 01:37:44,240
Speaker 4: this is going to play out through the course of

1749
01:37:44,320 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 4: the evening. Here is the press conference that will follow

1750
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:51,599
Speaker 4: when Brandon Staley gets asked the question and he takes

1751
01:37:51,600 --> 01:37:55,719
Speaker 4: offense to being asked why his defense can't stop anyone.

1752
01:37:55,840 --> 01:38:00,320
Speaker 4: And when you watch these guys on tape, a head

1753
01:38:00,360 --> 01:38:04,640
Speaker 4: scratcher because there's talent all over the field on the

1754
01:38:04,680 --> 01:38:07,880
Speaker 4: defensive side of the ball. And yes, I know Joey

1755
01:38:07,920 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 4: Bosa's hurt got hurt in Green Bay. Khalil Mack is playing.

1756
01:38:13,320 --> 01:38:15,080
Speaker 4: He watched him throughout the course of the game tonight.

1757
01:38:15,120 --> 01:38:16,680
Speaker 4: He looks like the guy that I faced when he

1758
01:38:16,760 --> 01:38:19,960
Speaker 4: was in Chicago for all those years, just all over

1759
01:38:20,040 --> 01:38:23,400
Speaker 4: the all over the field, wrecking the game. They have

1760
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:28,400
Speaker 4: two incredible linebackers, difference makers in the secondary.

1761
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:30,719
Speaker 3: It's just there's so much talent.

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01:38:30,880 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 4: And when when you're a defensive play calling head coach

1763
01:38:35,160 --> 01:38:40,760
Speaker 4: and you have the talent that he has on that

1764
01:38:40,800 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 4: side of the ball, and yet when you turn on

1765
01:38:42,400 --> 01:38:46,680
Speaker 4: the tape and just see the you know, on accountability

1766
01:38:46,760 --> 01:38:49,080
Speaker 4: from the defensive side of the ball, guys running wide open,

1767
01:38:49,200 --> 01:38:54,720
Speaker 4: giving up crazy amounts of points yards, You're gonna get

1768
01:38:54,720 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 4: asked questions. You're not only the head football coach, you're

1769
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,120
Speaker 4: in charge of the defense. You're the play caller, So

1770
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:04,120
Speaker 4: I think that was the only part that you missed

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01:39:04,120 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 4: to how this is going to play out through the

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01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:09,320
Speaker 4: next couple hours or so.

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01:39:10,280 --> 01:39:14,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, absolutely right. The Chargers trying to move the

1774
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:17,040
Speaker 2: ball down the field right now as we speak, but

1775
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:20,719
Speaker 2: they continue to be down by ten in this one.

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01:39:22,240 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 2: You and I, throughout these last twelve weeks, we have

1777
01:39:25,760 --> 01:39:31,160
Speaker 2: given a whole lot of love to the Detroit Lions because,

1778
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:34,600
Speaker 2: as we've said a number of times, you can go

1779
01:39:34,680 --> 01:39:38,040
Speaker 2: into analytics, you can say that the newcomers, you can

1780
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,080
Speaker 2: say they're a little bit too much of the sexy

1781
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:44,080
Speaker 2: pick or whatever. The bottom line was, the last eighteen

1782
01:39:44,240 --> 01:39:47,559
Speaker 2: times that the Lions had put on jerseys, they'd won

1783
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:51,280
Speaker 2: fourteen of them going back to last year, and that

1784
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:52,839
Speaker 2: doesn't happen by accident.

1785
01:39:52,920 --> 01:39:54,520
Speaker 1: This has been a really.

1786
01:39:54,720 --> 01:40:00,120
Speaker 2: Good football team all of a sudden, and I'm it's

1787
01:40:00,160 --> 01:40:02,519
Speaker 2: certainly not going to be one to discount a team

1788
01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 2: because they had a bad week or even two. We've

1789
01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 2: talked so much about the forty nine ers, who had

1790
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 2: a three game losing streak, but something on luck right,

1791
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:15,160
Speaker 2: something doesn't feel right, And even though they rallied to

1792
01:40:15,200 --> 01:40:20,439
Speaker 2: beat the Bears last week. That almost felt for a

1793
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:25,080
Speaker 2: really elite team. Supposedly, that felt like a loss. Some

1794
01:40:25,160 --> 01:40:27,160
Speaker 2: breaks went their way in the end, and they were

1795
01:40:27,200 --> 01:40:29,400
Speaker 2: able to take advantage of a team that doesn't know

1796
01:40:29,439 --> 01:40:32,200
Speaker 2: how to finish, but it was it was not a

1797
01:40:32,240 --> 01:40:35,360
Speaker 2: well played game. They were outplayed. And then same thing

1798
01:40:35,400 --> 01:40:38,120
Speaker 2: with Green Bay on Thanksgiving. It's not so much that

1799
01:40:38,200 --> 01:40:42,240
Speaker 2: you lose a football game. They were thoroughly outplayed in

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01:40:42,280 --> 01:40:47,280
Speaker 2: the game. And Jared Goff, who has made his name

1801
01:40:47,360 --> 01:40:49,960
Speaker 2: this year by being the guy who does not turn

1802
01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:54,560
Speaker 2: the ball over, suddenly has the bug. He just cannot

1803
01:40:54,600 --> 01:40:57,760
Speaker 2: stop turning it over, whether it be picks or fumbles.

1804
01:40:58,160 --> 01:41:02,880
Speaker 1: And so I wonder where you are on the Lions.

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01:41:03,000 --> 01:41:07,080
Speaker 2: It does feel to me like still a very good team,

1806
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:09,840
Speaker 2: but I don't know that I can actually take them

1807
01:41:09,920 --> 01:41:14,240
Speaker 2: seriously for late January. That's kind of how I describe it.

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01:41:14,560 --> 01:41:17,360
Speaker 2: How would the last seven days sort of change the

1809
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:18,880
Speaker 2: way you feel about that team?

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01:41:19,560 --> 01:41:23,040
Speaker 4: Well, so here's the deal with the Detroit Lions. And again,

1811
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:28,840
Speaker 4: this is a style of play, and you know, an

1812
01:41:28,920 --> 01:41:32,599
Speaker 4: identity that I'm familiar with and playing for Mike Zimmer

1813
01:41:32,640 --> 01:41:37,360
Speaker 4: in Minnesota. I told you we played good defense. It

1814
01:41:37,439 --> 01:41:40,599
Speaker 4: was a physical style of football. We ran the ball

1815
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:44,640
Speaker 4: probably more than anyone in the NFL, and then we

1816
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:48,599
Speaker 4: had playmakers in the past game who ultimately can make

1817
01:41:48,720 --> 01:41:51,559
Speaker 4: enough place to win close games.

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01:41:51,720 --> 01:41:53,240
Speaker 3: And when you.

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01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:58,479
Speaker 4: Look at this Detroit team, that's that's the way they're built, like,

1820
01:41:58,560 --> 01:42:02,720
Speaker 4: they're built on a physical brand of football where it

1821
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,920
Speaker 4: starts with their head coach and it just radiates through

1822
01:42:05,960 --> 01:42:10,240
Speaker 4: their entire building. It's up front on the defensive side

1823
01:42:10,240 --> 01:42:12,760
Speaker 4: of the ball, it's up front on the offensive side

1824
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 4: of the ball. We're gonna, you know, drafted a running

1825
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 4: back twelve overall, like we are going to run the football,

1826
01:42:20,600 --> 01:42:23,040
Speaker 4: and run the football and run the football some more.

1827
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,760
Speaker 4: And then we have a quarterback that we believe who

1828
01:42:26,520 --> 01:42:30,080
Speaker 4: won't turn the ball over and will take advantage of

1829
01:42:30,760 --> 01:42:36,320
Speaker 4: you know, explosive playmakers on the outside when we need them.

1830
01:42:36,360 --> 01:42:39,840
Speaker 4: And you know, he has his go to receiver in

1831
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:45,200
Speaker 4: Saint Brown, and they have their chemistry, the port of

1832
01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 4: the tight end. It's playing good football. So it's very

1833
01:42:48,160 --> 01:42:52,360
Speaker 4: so I know how they win games. The problem is

1834
01:42:53,880 --> 01:42:58,280
Speaker 4: a when you turn the football over, it's a team

1835
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:03,599
Speaker 4: that's not built to be able to overcome those type

1836
01:43:03,640 --> 01:43:06,920
Speaker 4: of things and the other side of it is, this

1837
01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 4: is a football team that you know last year when

1838
01:43:10,120 --> 01:43:12,840
Speaker 4: they were struggling, and then you know early in the

1839
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:15,760
Speaker 4: year when the Seahawks score thirty seven on them. It's

1840
01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:21,040
Speaker 4: is this that Detroit Lions team that will play really

1841
01:43:21,080 --> 01:43:25,479
Speaker 4: good offense but can't make enough stops to ultimately beat

1842
01:43:25,520 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 4: you and win big games. Well, over the next ten

1843
01:43:30,960 --> 01:43:35,559
Speaker 4: weeks they proved all right, we figured out the defense,

1844
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:38,040
Speaker 4: our quarterbacks not turning the football over.

1845
01:43:38,479 --> 01:43:41,520
Speaker 3: Therefore were really tough to beat.

1846
01:43:42,320 --> 01:43:44,679
Speaker 4: Well, you go back and look at the last two weeks,

1847
01:43:45,320 --> 01:43:48,120
Speaker 4: they have not played good defense. You know, gave up

1848
01:43:48,160 --> 01:43:50,880
Speaker 4: twenty six points to a Bears offense that's just not

1849
01:43:51,120 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 4: very good. And then Green Bay did whatever they wanted

1850
01:43:55,520 --> 01:43:59,960
Speaker 4: on offense on Thanksgiving, and you mentioned Jared Goff turned

1851
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:04,480
Speaker 4: the football over. So for me, that's what's most concerning

1852
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:08,920
Speaker 4: to me about the Detroit Lions right now. Certainly, it's

1853
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,000
Speaker 4: a team that knows their identity. They know they have

1854
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 4: to win football games. I do believe that they proved it,

1855
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:17,400
Speaker 4: like they've gone on the road in won tough games.

1856
01:44:17,800 --> 01:44:19,759
Speaker 4: So I'm not saying this is a team that can't

1857
01:44:19,760 --> 01:44:22,080
Speaker 4: go on the road. In January or can't win a

1858
01:44:22,120 --> 01:44:26,479
Speaker 4: big game in January. I just think when they do

1859
01:44:26,520 --> 01:44:29,760
Speaker 4: the things that they've done the last two weeks. Yes,

1860
01:44:29,920 --> 01:44:32,920
Speaker 4: you've got away with one against the Bears, that's the Bears.

1861
01:44:34,240 --> 01:44:37,760
Speaker 4: And then ultimately you had a team on Thanksgiving that

1862
01:44:37,840 --> 01:44:41,160
Speaker 4: you are better than have their weight with you and

1863
01:44:41,240 --> 01:44:44,080
Speaker 4: got to do whatever they won on offense, went up

1864
01:44:44,120 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 4: and down the field, and that is not the recipe

1865
01:44:49,160 --> 01:44:52,600
Speaker 4: for success for this Detroit Lions team.

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Speaker 1: I think that's all all well said.

1867
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,200
Speaker 2: And you know, we were looking at that schedule that

1868
01:44:58,360 --> 01:45:03,000
Speaker 2: was supposed to be so favorable coming up toward the

1869
01:45:03,080 --> 01:45:05,680
Speaker 2: end of the season and how the Lions were going

1870
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:08,880
Speaker 2: to factor into home field advantage. Well, it gets less

1871
01:45:08,880 --> 01:45:12,800
Speaker 2: favorable when you're unable to handle some of those kind

1872
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 2: of bottom feeders of the division like they've had trouble

1873
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:17,320
Speaker 2: with over the last week or so.

1874
01:45:17,760 --> 01:45:20,160
Speaker 1: All right with Kyle Rudolph Mark Willard.

1875
01:45:20,520 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 2: Much more on this coming up, But Martin Wise is

1876
01:45:23,000 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 2: going to get in here right now.

1877
01:45:24,200 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: Let's find out what is trending.

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01:45:26,320 --> 01:45:30,160
Speaker 7: Hey, Martin, Hey, So Justin Herbert just completed it past

1879
01:45:30,200 --> 01:45:32,479
Speaker 7: the Keenan Allen across the middle, who then took the

1880
01:45:32,520 --> 01:45:36,040
Speaker 7: ball threw it backwards to the sideline to Austin Eckler

1881
01:45:36,040 --> 01:45:39,320
Speaker 7: who got the first down. But unfortunately for Chargers fans,

1882
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:42,000
Speaker 7: that's about the offensive highlight the night. Three points on

1883
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 7: the board, trailing the Baltimore Ravens thirteen to three, two

1884
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:47,280
Speaker 7: point fifteen left in the third quarter. Right now, is

1885
01:45:47,320 --> 01:45:50,400
Speaker 7: this plaid that Keenan Allen the lateral is being challenged,

1886
01:45:50,400 --> 01:45:53,320
Speaker 7: but I mean, by my eye was definitely backwards plast

1887
01:45:53,960 --> 01:45:56,439
Speaker 7: But three turnovers in the first half for the Chargers.

1888
01:45:56,520 --> 01:46:00,000
Speaker 7: Keenan Allen fumbled, Austin Eckler fumbled, Justin Herbert do An interception,

1889
01:46:00,200 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 7: Lamar Jackson one hundred and forty nine passing yards add

1890
01:46:02,920 --> 01:46:05,280
Speaker 7: thirty three rushing yards to that total as well on

1891
01:46:05,360 --> 01:46:08,960
Speaker 7: six carries. They Flowers caught the touchdown in this matchup

1892
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:11,679
Speaker 7: again and it's been a bunch of field goals since

1893
01:46:11,760 --> 01:46:14,960
Speaker 7: thirteen to three. The Ravens lead the Chargers two minutes

1894
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:17,200
Speaker 7: left in the third quarter. In the NHL, we got

1895
01:46:17,200 --> 01:46:19,320
Speaker 7: the Predators and the Jets, Jets making it a game.

1896
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:21,719
Speaker 1: The Predators had a three to zero lead, Jets add.

1897
01:46:21,479 --> 01:46:22,839
Speaker 3: Two in the third period.

1898
01:46:23,479 --> 01:46:27,680
Speaker 7: Four forty three left in the third second period, nine

1899
01:46:27,760 --> 01:46:30,240
Speaker 7: oh three left in the Oilers and the Ducks matchup.

1900
01:46:30,640 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 7: The Oilers have a four goal lead, six to two.

1901
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,160
Speaker 7: NBA game just wrapped up. We just had the Nuggets

1902
01:46:38,200 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 7: and the Spurs Nakoli Jokics thirty nine points, eleven rebounds,

1903
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 7: nine assists, Victor Weinbin Yama. Then a lost twenty two points,

1904
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:50,320
Speaker 7: eleven rebounds and six deals. Spurs fall to the Nuggets,

1905
01:46:50,520 --> 01:46:52,280
Speaker 7: who are seven to zero at home, by the way,

1906
01:46:52,320 --> 01:46:55,920
Speaker 7: ten and six overall one thirty two to one twenty.

1907
01:46:56,200 --> 01:46:59,880
Speaker 1: Mark and Kyle back to you, Okay, Martin, great stuff.

1908
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,840
Speaker 2: Appreciate that we're live in thety rack dot com studios.

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01:47:04,200 --> 01:47:07,040
Speaker 2: Shortly after the show, the podcast gonna be going up.

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01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 2: So if you missed any of today's show, check out

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01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:11,640
Speaker 2: what Kyle had to say about all the games some

1912
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 2: of his old stories.

1913
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Speaker 1: By the way, be sure to check out the podcast.

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Speaker 2: All you got to do search Fox Sports Radio wherever

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Speaker 1: Again.

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Speaker 2: Just search Fox Sports Radio wherever you get your podcast.

1919
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:28,800
Speaker 2: You're going to see the show posted right after we

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01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 2: get off the air. Mark Willard, Kyle Rudolph with you

1921
01:47:32,400 --> 01:47:35,920
Speaker 2: getting close to the fourth quarter, Ravens still lead the

1922
01:47:36,160 --> 01:47:39,519
Speaker 2: Chargers thirteen to three. Martin's right, this is gonna be

1923
01:47:39,560 --> 01:47:42,720
Speaker 2: an interesting challenge. Call Keenan Allen over the middle for

1924
01:47:42,760 --> 01:47:46,760
Speaker 2: a catch, then throws it backwards to Austin Eckler, Like,

1925
01:47:46,840 --> 01:47:49,719
Speaker 2: I only got one good look at it, and I

1926
01:47:49,760 --> 01:47:52,400
Speaker 2: think it was sideways or backward, but I'm not one

1927
01:47:52,479 --> 01:47:56,840
Speaker 2: hundred percent sure. A little bit of a Music City

1928
01:47:56,920 --> 01:47:59,800
Speaker 2: Miracle type of a review here. I don't know, if

1929
01:47:59,840 --> 01:48:02,080
Speaker 2: you're watching the game, did you did you see this

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Speaker 2: and did anything look amiss as far as your eyes concerned.

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Speaker 4: Now, I also saw that kind of same side angle

1932
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Speaker 4: that they showed on on the replay before going to

1933
01:48:13,600 --> 01:48:16,360
Speaker 4: the challenge. And you know, again, you don't know how

1934
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:21,679
Speaker 4: down the line that camera angle was. Certainly you would assume,

1935
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:25,280
Speaker 4: you know, harball had a better view than we did, so,

1936
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:28,480
Speaker 4: but it certainly seemed like it was backwards.

1937
01:48:29,120 --> 01:48:29,360
Speaker 1: Yep.

1938
01:48:29,479 --> 01:48:31,799
Speaker 2: And they're gonna go ahead and let that one stand

1939
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:38,000
Speaker 2: as the review is complete. And gosh, looking at a

1940
01:48:38,040 --> 01:48:41,880
Speaker 2: review that's now got a line that that the TV

1941
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:46,479
Speaker 2: network kind of drew to show where Keenan Allen released

1942
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:49,200
Speaker 2: the ball, and I mean the ball just stays on

1943
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:53,160
Speaker 2: the line the whole time it could it looked further

1944
01:48:53,240 --> 01:48:55,880
Speaker 2: back than it was because Keenan was moving forward as

1945
01:48:55,920 --> 01:49:00,320
Speaker 2: he let it go. But straight sideways is good enough,

1946
01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:03,320
Speaker 2: and so the Chargers will get a first down out

1947
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,599
Speaker 2: of it and keep everything moving.

1948
01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:08,759
Speaker 1: Hey, while we were just talking about what.

1949
01:49:08,640 --> 01:49:13,320
Speaker 2: The Lions did over the last seven days, another question

1950
01:49:13,479 --> 01:49:16,200
Speaker 2: kind of came to mind. I'm not going to tell

1951
01:49:16,240 --> 01:49:18,960
Speaker 2: you who. I'm just going to tell you that this

1952
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:23,479
Speaker 2: quarterback this year has thrown twice as many touchdowns as

1953
01:49:23,520 --> 01:49:27,680
Speaker 2: he has thrown interceptions. I'm going to tell you that

1954
01:49:27,880 --> 01:49:32,120
Speaker 2: his rating for the year is well above ninety. I'm

1955
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:35,040
Speaker 2: going to tell you that he also rushes for about

1956
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:39,680
Speaker 2: fifty yards per game out of the quarterback position. You

1957
01:49:39,800 --> 01:49:43,519
Speaker 2: may know who I'm talking about, but just based on

1958
01:49:43,560 --> 01:49:48,160
Speaker 2: the stats, is that somebody, based on those stats, that

1959
01:49:48,600 --> 01:49:50,120
Speaker 2: you want as your quarterback.

1960
01:49:51,680 --> 01:49:55,400
Speaker 4: I certainly don't see why not give you a chance,

1961
01:49:55,560 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 4: gives you a chance to win games?

1962
01:49:57,640 --> 01:50:01,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know who that is. That's just in fields.

1963
01:50:02,680 --> 01:50:07,080
Speaker 1: And so I am still this is so crazy.

1964
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:10,719
Speaker 2: Because that draft class, we've all made up our mind.

1965
01:50:11,080 --> 01:50:15,000
Speaker 2: There were five quarterbacks, and my goodness, we've made up

1966
01:50:15,040 --> 01:50:19,800
Speaker 2: our mind. Trevor Lawrence, you bet Zach Wilson. Hell no,

1967
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 2: Trey Lance can't even get a backup gig Mac Jones

1968
01:50:24,840 --> 01:50:28,960
Speaker 2: has been replaced eighteen times within one season already. It

1969
01:50:29,080 --> 01:50:33,639
Speaker 2: seems we've made up our mind across the board except

1970
01:50:33,720 --> 01:50:36,800
Speaker 2: for Justin and the Bears are going to have all

1971
01:50:36,840 --> 01:50:40,599
Speaker 2: of the first round draft capital that they want next

1972
01:50:40,680 --> 01:50:43,280
Speaker 2: year if they want to go in a different direction.

1973
01:50:43,479 --> 01:50:46,599
Speaker 2: And I'm sitting here, Kyle, I still can't figure out

1974
01:50:46,600 --> 01:50:47,439
Speaker 2: what they should do.

1975
01:50:50,280 --> 01:50:54,360
Speaker 4: I mean, I feel like, again, you know what they

1976
01:50:54,439 --> 01:50:58,920
Speaker 4: have to do, because what's the alternative. You got to

1977
01:50:58,960 --> 01:51:01,519
Speaker 4: give Justin Fields this fifth year option, which is going

1978
01:51:01,560 --> 01:51:05,800
Speaker 4: to be expensive ultimately, if you're deciding that at this

1979
01:51:05,920 --> 01:51:11,200
Speaker 4: point in the junction of our franchise with presumably the

1980
01:51:11,240 --> 01:51:16,719
Speaker 4: first overall pick in something around the top five as

1981
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 4: another or first round pick, you have to take a quarterback,

1982
01:51:24,840 --> 01:51:28,800
Speaker 4: you will never you know, ideally, you will not have

1983
01:51:28,960 --> 01:51:34,760
Speaker 4: the luxury of having that type of firepower at the

1984
01:51:34,760 --> 01:51:38,599
Speaker 4: top of the first round again, and either you get

1985
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:42,320
Speaker 4: it right this time or no one will be there

1986
01:51:42,479 --> 01:51:47,280
Speaker 4: to ultimately see what happens down the road. Anyways, And

1987
01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:50,120
Speaker 4: you know, I just again, it's not so much as

1988
01:51:50,160 --> 01:51:57,040
Speaker 4: to what Justin Fields has or has not done when

1989
01:51:57,080 --> 01:52:01,800
Speaker 4: playing quarterback for the Chicago Bears. It's simple, what has

1990
01:52:01,880 --> 01:52:04,840
Speaker 4: to happen in the future if you decide to keep him,

1991
01:52:05,200 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 4: and that means you have to pay him a significant

1992
01:52:07,400 --> 01:52:10,400
Speaker 4: amount of money. We've talked about the forty nine Ers

1993
01:52:10,439 --> 01:52:14,160
Speaker 4: at length and what Rock Purty on a rookie deal

1994
01:52:14,439 --> 01:52:18,160
Speaker 4: does for their roster. I see the Chicago Bears in

1995
01:52:18,200 --> 01:52:21,280
Speaker 4: a very similar light. You have the opportunity to go

1996
01:52:21,360 --> 01:52:24,800
Speaker 4: get whatever quarterback you want at the first overall pick.

1997
01:52:25,200 --> 01:52:26,160
Speaker 3: You have him.

1998
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:30,880
Speaker 4: For three years, four years, whatever you decide at a

1999
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:34,240
Speaker 4: very low number compared to the rest of the quarterbacks

2000
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:39,400
Speaker 4: in the NFL. You have the ability to you could

2001
01:52:39,400 --> 01:52:42,479
Speaker 4: trade Justin Fields. I'm sure the Atlanta Falcons would love

2002
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:45,519
Speaker 4: to have Justin Fields. So there are teams out there

2003
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:49,760
Speaker 4: that will give you something for him, and you can

2004
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:54,160
Speaker 4: use that as well to build this roster around a young,

2005
01:52:54,280 --> 01:52:57,880
Speaker 4: inexpensive quarterback. And I think they have to do it,

2006
01:52:57,920 --> 01:53:01,320
Speaker 4: and I thought they were starting to do it this offseason.

2007
01:53:01,640 --> 01:53:04,200
Speaker 4: When I looked at the Chicago Bears this offseason, it

2008
01:53:04,360 --> 01:53:10,240
Speaker 4: had Philadelphia Eagle vibes to me. You have a young

2009
01:53:10,320 --> 01:53:14,080
Speaker 4: quarterback that you're not paying a lot of money. He's athletic,

2010
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:17,639
Speaker 4: he adds an element to the offense that's very difficult

2011
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,160
Speaker 4: to defend, and you can go spend.

2012
01:53:20,200 --> 01:53:21,320
Speaker 3: They had the most cap.

2013
01:53:21,200 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 4: Space in all of free agency, so you could go

2014
01:53:24,040 --> 01:53:27,559
Speaker 4: out and get all kinds of talent around him. And

2015
01:53:27,600 --> 01:53:30,880
Speaker 4: that was exactly what the Philadelphia Eagles did prior to

2016
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:35,479
Speaker 4: this year when they paid Jalen Hurts fifty whatever million

2017
01:53:35,479 --> 01:53:38,280
Speaker 4: a year. It was you had a quarterback on a

2018
01:53:38,360 --> 01:53:42,800
Speaker 4: rookie deal that brought an element to offense that's extremely

2019
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:45,559
Speaker 4: difficult to defend. And then you just look at the

2020
01:53:45,600 --> 01:53:49,120
Speaker 4: talent on the roster around him and it's unbelievable. O

2021
01:53:49,320 --> 01:53:55,640
Speaker 4: line receivers go lower the front the rush. For the Eagles,

2022
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:59,160
Speaker 4: it's like pro Bowler, all Pro Pro Bowler, first round pick,

2023
01:54:00,120 --> 01:54:03,400
Speaker 4: and then you got lockdown corners. They trade for an

2024
01:54:03,439 --> 01:54:08,960
Speaker 4: all pro safety, just talent everywhere. So to me, that's

2025
01:54:09,080 --> 01:54:13,200
Speaker 4: that's kind of where I thought Chicago was going this offseason.

2026
01:54:13,720 --> 01:54:15,479
Speaker 4: And you know, they quite honestly, they spent a lot

2027
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,000
Speaker 4: of money on their defense and it really hasn't panned out.

2028
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:22,519
Speaker 4: They certainly haven't done anything to really bolster the offense

2029
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:26,200
Speaker 4: around Justin Fields. So at this point, going into year four,

2030
01:54:26,439 --> 01:54:28,720
Speaker 4: you know you have to make the decision. Are you

2031
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:29,960
Speaker 4: going to give them the fifth year option?

2032
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,720
Speaker 3: Yes or no? We all are going to agree that

2033
01:54:32,720 --> 01:54:33,960
Speaker 3: that answer is no.

2034
01:54:34,760 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 4: So now you're going into a contract year where you

2035
01:54:39,240 --> 01:54:41,320
Speaker 4: ultimately wanted to play well or you're going to lose

2036
01:54:41,320 --> 01:54:43,880
Speaker 4: your job. And when he goes and plays well, that

2037
01:54:43,960 --> 01:54:48,000
Speaker 4: means he's going to be expensive to keep moving forward.

2038
01:54:48,160 --> 01:54:52,080
Speaker 4: So it's this catch twenty two of if you decide

2039
01:54:52,360 --> 01:54:56,080
Speaker 4: Justin Fields is our guy, you just have to understand

2040
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:59,080
Speaker 4: what the ramifications are down the road. It's either you're

2041
01:54:59,160 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 4: not going to have your anymore or you're really gonna

2042
01:55:02,240 --> 01:55:04,320
Speaker 4: have to figure out how to build this roster around

2043
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:06,040
Speaker 4: a quarterback that's making a lot of money.

2044
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:08,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's not an easy call.

2045
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 2: Or maybe, as you say, financially, it's a little bit

2046
01:55:12,600 --> 01:55:15,839
Speaker 2: easier than we realize based on the numbers.

2047
01:55:15,880 --> 01:55:18,200
Speaker 1: All Right, speaking of those Eagles.

2048
01:55:18,000 --> 01:55:20,440
Speaker 2: Coming up next, by the time you and I talk next,

2049
01:55:20,480 --> 01:55:22,800
Speaker 2: that Eagles forty nine Ers game is going to be over.

2050
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 2: So what is going to happen next week in that game?

2051
01:55:26,760 --> 01:55:29,680
Speaker 2: We'll take a forward look coming up next along with

2052
01:55:29,760 --> 01:55:30,520
Speaker 2: Kyle Rudolph.

2053
01:55:30,520 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 1: I'm Mark Willard on Fox Sports Radio.

2054
01:55:33,520 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 3: Three receivers left.

2055
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:38,360
Speaker 1: Now spliff those emotional hurts on a quarterback draw. He

2056
01:55:38,520 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 1: hit the five, he's in touch down. The Eagles back.

2057
01:55:43,640 --> 01:55:45,440
Speaker 3: My hurts, doesn't cow?

2058
01:55:45,640 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 5: Are you kidding me?

2059
01:55:48,320 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 3: Are you kidding me?

2060
01:55:50,960 --> 01:55:54,280
Speaker 4: He's amazing at the Eagles.

2061
01:55:53,840 --> 01:55:54,600
Speaker 3: Of ten and one.

2062
01:55:55,240 --> 01:55:56,640
Speaker 1: Oh yes they are.

2063
01:55:56,680 --> 01:56:02,120
Speaker 2: And that's from ninety four w IP the Eagle Radio Network.

2064
01:56:02,240 --> 01:56:05,680
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2069
01:56:21,240 --> 01:56:24,480
Speaker 2: dot com studios. Mark Willard, Kyle Rudolph, letting you know

2070
01:56:24,520 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 2: that the Chargers fumbled, the Ravens got the ball, the

2071
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:30,200
Speaker 2: Chargers are about to get it back, but who will

2072
01:56:30,280 --> 01:56:33,440
Speaker 2: quarterback them? Justin Herbert just went into the blue tent

2073
01:56:33,880 --> 01:56:37,240
Speaker 2: after the sack fumble moments ago, so we'll keep you

2074
01:56:37,320 --> 01:56:40,840
Speaker 2: up to date on that. And you heard it right there, Kyle,

2075
01:56:41,120 --> 01:56:44,080
Speaker 2: I mean ten and one. Just in the last six

2076
01:56:44,120 --> 01:56:47,879
Speaker 2: weeks wins over the Dolphins, the Cowboys, the Chiefs, the Bills.

2077
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 2: They're ten to one. The Eagles cannot be stopped, which

2078
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:56,360
Speaker 2: is why the other thing that can't be stopped is

2079
01:56:56,440 --> 01:57:00,360
Speaker 2: the number which keeps getting bigger in favor of the

2080
01:57:00,400 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 2: forty nine ers in Philly in December coming up a

2081
01:57:05,560 --> 01:57:10,480
Speaker 2: week from today. Help explain that to me, and within that,

2082
01:57:11,320 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 2: what do you actually think is gonna happen?

2083
01:57:15,320 --> 01:57:18,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, again, I think it's just all of the circumstances

2084
01:57:18,680 --> 01:57:24,520
Speaker 4: surrounding the kind of details of the game, the run

2085
01:57:24,760 --> 01:57:28,000
Speaker 4: that the Philadelphia Eagles are going through right now, the

2086
01:57:28,120 --> 01:57:33,560
Speaker 4: gauntlet of games that they've played, the health of the

2087
01:57:33,560 --> 01:57:38,680
Speaker 4: strength of their roster, the offensive line. Lane Johnson didn't

2088
01:57:38,720 --> 01:57:42,560
Speaker 4: play today. We saw Jason Kelce go into the locker

2089
01:57:42,640 --> 01:57:44,120
Speaker 4: room at the end of the game. I don't know

2090
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:46,840
Speaker 4: if he had to go just use the restroom or

2091
01:57:47,040 --> 01:57:51,600
Speaker 4: come back, not really sure, but you know, it's the

2092
01:57:51,800 --> 01:57:56,320
Speaker 4: Fletcher Cox has a grind, he goes in. So again,

2093
01:57:56,360 --> 01:58:00,640
Speaker 4: it's the health of Philly and you know, the run

2094
01:58:00,680 --> 01:58:03,960
Speaker 4: that they've been on over the course of the last

2095
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:07,760
Speaker 4: five games, and at what costs have those wins come

2096
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 4: at With the other side being a team that's they've

2097
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 4: already hit their rough patch. They've come back and won

2098
01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 4: three in a row. They played on Thursday night, they

2099
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:24,120
Speaker 4: get extra rest, almost like a little mini bye weekend,

2100
01:58:25,200 --> 01:58:27,640
Speaker 4: to come into Philly and play against a team that

2101
01:58:27,800 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 4: just had to battle for four quarters plus overtime to

2102
01:58:32,640 --> 01:58:33,560
Speaker 4: get out with a win.

2103
01:58:34,920 --> 01:58:38,280
Speaker 2: Well, if you will, Also, you know you can't do

2104
01:58:38,440 --> 01:58:41,280
Speaker 2: this and you shouldn't do this, but it sort of

2105
01:58:41,320 --> 01:58:44,360
Speaker 2: does feel like we're talking about two different forty nine

2106
01:58:44,400 --> 01:58:48,000
Speaker 2: ers teams. Whatever happened there in that three week stretch.

2107
01:58:48,040 --> 01:58:51,440
Speaker 2: If you want to just blame it on Deebo Samuel

2108
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 2: and Trent Williams being out, if you want to say

2109
01:58:54,560 --> 01:58:57,080
Speaker 2: that they started to read their own press clippings, whatever

2110
01:58:57,120 --> 01:58:59,560
Speaker 2: it is, Steve Wilkes to the sideline, all the things

2111
01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:03,400
Speaker 2: we talk about, if you do just look at the

2112
01:59:03,400 --> 01:59:05,800
Speaker 2: team at their best and at their worst. When they're

2113
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:09,400
Speaker 2: at their best, those eight wins they have, they're absolutely

2114
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 2: pummeling people like outscoring teams by an average of almost

2115
01:59:13,720 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 2: three touchdowns, and so you know, do with that what

2116
01:59:18,720 --> 01:59:20,920
Speaker 2: you will, because they will be at full health going

2117
01:59:20,960 --> 01:59:21,640
Speaker 2: into this game.

2118
01:59:22,720 --> 01:59:25,720
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again we said it earlier. Vegas just always

2119
01:59:25,760 --> 01:59:29,320
Speaker 4: seems to know you know, and I said it. I

2120
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:33,080
Speaker 4: believe that the forty nine ers all the records aside.

2121
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:36,240
Speaker 4: I believe that at full strength, they're the best team

2122
01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:39,760
Speaker 4: in the NFL. And we'll see if they're battling a

2123
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:42,080
Speaker 4: Philly team that's at full strength. They're a team that

2124
01:59:42,160 --> 01:59:45,080
Speaker 4: looks like they just went through a five week gauntlet

2125
01:59:45,160 --> 01:59:46,000
Speaker 4: like they went through.

2126
01:59:46,840 --> 01:59:47,240
Speaker 1: My man.

2127
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,520
Speaker 2: I hope it was a great holiday week for you.

2128
01:59:49,640 --> 01:59:51,760
Speaker 2: I cannot wait to talk this one out a week

2129
01:59:51,800 --> 01:59:53,680
Speaker 2: from today. Good to chat tonight.

2130
01:59:53,880 --> 01:59:54,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate it.

2131
01:59:54,640 --> 01:59:54,840
Speaker 1: Mark.

2132
01:59:55,160 --> 01:59:57,640
Speaker 2: There it is for Kyle rudolph A. Mark Willard keep

2133
01:59:57,680 --> 01:59:59,520
Speaker 2: it lock right here at the Fox Sports Radio