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Speaker 1: dot com. You know you talk about droughts, sports droughts. Canadians.
Speaker 1: Last time they went to the Stanley Cup Final one
Speaker 1: it was nineteen ninety three. They beat Gretzky and the
Speaker 1: La Kings. Barry Melrose, I believe, was the coach of
Speaker 1: the La Kings at the time, And you think about
Speaker 1: the proud tradition of the Montreal Canadians and you're going, oh,
Speaker 1: that's right. In nineteen ninety three, and then you start
Speaker 1: to think, you know, at my age, I go, nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety three wasn't that long ago? And then you realize, yes,
Speaker 1: it was. It was a whole generation ago. It was
Speaker 1: twenty eight years ago. We talked about the Phoenix Suns.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I remember when they were in the NBA
Speaker 1: Finals against the Bulls. That was back in nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1: That's a long time ago. And you start to think
Speaker 1: of a sports drought, all right, the Canadians nineteen ninety three.
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cleveland Indians. That's a sports drought. Detroit Lions,
Speaker 1: that's a sports drought. The Clippers, that's a sports drought.
Speaker 1: The Atlanta Hawks, that's a sports drought. Milwaukee Bucks back
Speaker 1: in the early seventies. That's when they had Kareem and
Speaker 1: they had Oscar Robertson. But that's it. So you had
Speaker 1: these sports droughts that are still alive here. And Montreal
Speaker 1: is going to the Stanley Cup Final. The Indians are
Speaker 1: over seven decades. That's a drought. That's like, what's worse
Speaker 1: than a drought? Mclovin, like a super drought. I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to find out. Oh my god, Todd
Speaker 1: what's worse than a drought? Famine? Drought was far with
Speaker 1: My answer is that I thought you're searching for an
Speaker 1: actual vocabulary word. Well, no, a super drought. I don't
Speaker 1: know the Weather Channel though, that's probably a thing now.
Speaker 1: By the way, the Indians almost beat the Cubs, which
Speaker 1: would have been that. That's the og drought. The Indians
Speaker 1: almost beat the Marlins as well, but they didn't. The
Speaker 1: Eagles had a drought for a lot this video. Philadelphia
Speaker 1: had a huge drought. Yeah, yeah, you got yours. You're good.
Speaker 1: It's like the Bears got theres. You're good. It really
Speaker 1: is like that. Yeah, the Cubs got theres, Like we're good.
Speaker 1: Nothing to see here, Let's move on. Red Sox of
Speaker 1: course got theres. Yes. Point, if you're a fan of
Speaker 1: a certain team and because sign a contract, you get
Speaker 1: one for the rest of your life. Like if I'm
Speaker 1: a Cleveland Indians fan and I'm forty, I could sign
Speaker 1: a contract for next year and says you're gonna win
Speaker 1: the World Series and you get to see it and
Speaker 1: go and all that stuff, and you're guaranteed to never
Speaker 1: win one in your lifetime. Yeah, I take that. I
Speaker 1: would have done it as a cub fan if you
Speaker 1: ask me in twenty ten, yeah, yeah, I could see that.
Speaker 1: I mean, if you said that to a Hawks fan,
Speaker 1: you're gonna win the title and you'll never win another
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Speaker 1: consolation project, Yeah, not at all. Kevin Durant's social media
Speaker 1: feed takes some time getting used to. We want our
Speaker 1: star athletes to be honest. I hope that they always are.
Speaker 1: Makes my job easier. Sometimes Kade can be too honest,
Speaker 1: and I'm not talking about missteps with burner accounts. Seems
Speaker 1: to have put that behind him, but if somebody calls
Speaker 1: him out, he likes to come back even harder. And
Speaker 1: the latest interaction was with Scottie Pippen. Scotty said Lebron
Speaker 1: would have found a way to lead his team to
Speaker 1: a series win where Durant fell short against Milwaukee. According
Speaker 1: to Pippen, Durant's problem was that he tried to do
Speaker 1: it all on his own. Katie was not having anything
Speaker 1: to do with that. He brought up that Scottie wouldn't
Speaker 1: come into a playoff game because Phil Jackson designed a
Speaker 1: play for Tony ku coach to take the last shot.
Speaker 1: Scotty took himself out of the game. We expect our
Speaker 1: stars to take the higher road sometimes in social media,
Speaker 1: but if you've ever been on a basketball court, that's
Speaker 1: social media, Like you're talking trash during the game, and
Speaker 1: it's not like you have a helmet on you. You're
Speaker 1: right next to one another. You can say a lot
Speaker 1: of things. So social media seems to be a little
Speaker 1: bit better when they actually act like real people in
Speaker 1: real life. And I don't want to make Kadi mad either.
Speaker 1: It seems to be pretty good. Now. I don't know
Speaker 1: if Kevin should have responded to Scottie Pippen because Scotty
Speaker 1: was talking about in this GQ article and the author
Speaker 1: is Tyler Times, so he's interviewing Scotty and Scotty's promoting
Speaker 1: a bourbon and by the way, I hope that bourbon
Speaker 1: does well because Scotty didn't do well. But he's promoting
Speaker 1: a new Bourbon line. And he started talking about the
Speaker 1: difference between Lebron and KD, and he said, when you're
Speaker 1: leading the troops, you got to know how to lead
Speaker 1: and win. Katie is great. As his offense was, it
Speaker 1: turned out to be his worst enemy because he didn't
Speaker 1: know how to play team basketball. He kept trying to
Speaker 1: go punch for punch. Have you ever seen Lebron take
Speaker 1: a shot like that? He ain't gonna take that shot.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be smarter, He's gonna force a double. That's
Speaker 1: what Katie wasn't able to do. Katie can score better
Speaker 1: than Lebron, but has he surpassed Lebron? Nah, he tried
Speaker 1: to beat Milwaukee instead of utilizing his team. You see
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. Lebron would have figured out how to
Speaker 1: beat them and wouldn't have been exhausted, and he may
Speaker 1: not have taken that last shot. Lebron ain't KD. KD
Speaker 1: ain't Lebron. Okay, I guess, I guess it's a fair criticism.
Speaker 1: It's just out of nowhere that Lebron is saying that.
Speaker 1: Scottis saying this. Well. Kevin Durant responded on Twitter and said,
Speaker 1: didn't the great didn't the Great Scottie hip and refused
Speaker 1: to go into the game for the last second shot
Speaker 1: because he was in his feelings. His coach drew up
Speaker 1: the play for a better shooter question mark. He then
Speaker 1: follows up this guy. Scott also wanted to enjoy his summer,
Speaker 1: so he chose to rehab during the season. L L YO.
Speaker 1: They followed Phil not you is there? Do they do
Speaker 1: a chalk outline of a body on social media? Because
Speaker 1: that's what they should do. Yeah, Scotty, rest in peace there. Okay,
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is different than Lebron. Lebron we know has
Speaker 1: been a facilitator. He's gonna end up probably top five
Speaker 1: and assist and the all time leading scorer in the
Speaker 1: history of the game. But Scotty made it personal about
Speaker 1: k D. If you went, if you criticize the team
Speaker 1: or said, you know what, our team would have shut
Speaker 1: those guys down. Whatever it is. And remember Scotty this
Speaker 1: with the Golden State lawyers. I believe this is a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. He said, oh, our Bulls team
Speaker 1: would have swept them. Okay, it made news because he
Speaker 1: said it on our air, But okay, I mean Kevin Durant,
Speaker 1: what he did was herculean. If you look, first of all,
Speaker 1: the last play in that game against the Box is
Speaker 1: poorly designed because Katie is all alone and his teammates
Speaker 1: are nowhere to be seen, nowhere to be found. I
Speaker 1: got the feeling, you know, Joe Harris didn't play well,
Speaker 1: James Harden didn't play well. I can facilitate. I didn't
Speaker 1: think about this. I can throw it to somebody ten
Speaker 1: times and if they can't make it the previous nine,
Speaker 1: do I keep throwing them the ball because I'm going
Speaker 1: to be a facilitator. Kyrie out hardened coming back from
Speaker 1: the hamstring and wasn't playing well. I don't look at
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant as a gunner. There are I can tick
Speaker 1: off probably fifteen guys that I would think are more
Speaker 1: volume shooters than Kevin Durant. But if I look at
Speaker 1: the situation here, Kevin Durant had to do all of
Speaker 1: this stuff. Do I think Lebron's a better player? Yes,
Speaker 1: what I want Lebron on my team over Kevin Durant. Yes,
Speaker 1: But it's not that I dislike Kevin Durant. I think
Speaker 1: he's I can look at Kevin Durant and Kareem Abdul
Speaker 1: Jabbar as maybe the two most unstoppable players. You can't
Speaker 1: guard Kevin Durant and you can't guard Kareem. I got
Speaker 1: a seven footer with a handle and range. All right,
Speaker 1: that's a damn good advantage you got there. But is
Speaker 1: he a better player than Lebron? No, he's not. But
Speaker 1: I we get into these discussions, then it's an argument,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden has becomes semantics and
Speaker 1: gifted talented. It's like Aaron Rodgers. Oh, he's the most
Speaker 1: talented quarterback to ever play the game. Not the best,
Speaker 1: but the most talented. Okay, Brady's the greatest because of
Speaker 1: his resume. Okay, so this became a big deal. But
Speaker 1: the big deal was really what Scotty had to say
Speaker 1: about Phil Jackson, and that is that last shot in
Speaker 1: a playoff game, one point eight seconds to go and
Speaker 1: Phil Jackson calls Tony Kukach's number during a timeout and
Speaker 1: Scottie sits down. Scotty said, you gotta read between the
Speaker 1: fine lines here with that decision by Phil, and then
Speaker 1: he says it was a racial move to give Tony
Speaker 1: ku Coach a rise how that doesn't bring up a
Speaker 1: follow up question to say, are you calling Phil Jackson
Speaker 1: a racist? And of course he is. This is nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four postseason between the Bulls and Knicks. I got
Speaker 1: more of a problem with that than I do that
Speaker 1: he's calling out KD. I mean, Scotty has his opinion. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's a top fifty player, he's a Hall of Famer,
Speaker 1: he's got six rings. I loved watching him as a player,
Speaker 1: as final all around town, who's ever played the game,
Speaker 1: could do everything that you needed. But calling Phil Jackson out,
Speaker 1: how does that not bring about elicit a Wait, you're
Speaker 1: calling Phil Jackson a racist here, but I haven't seen
Speaker 1: a follow up. I haven't seen a correction by Scottie.
Speaker 1: But man, did he do a disservice to Phil Jackson?
Speaker 1: Because that's just hanging there. That's like a marine layer
Speaker 1: and you're going, oh, it'll burn off eventually. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't think it'd be that easy. All right, Poll question, mcleven,
Speaker 1: whose career do you want? Kadi or Scottie Pippin fifty
Speaker 1: six percent Kadi. By the way, I looked up the
Speaker 1: ESPN dot com Top hundred lists from a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, Katie was already fourteen and Pippin was twenty one,
Speaker 1: so and I think Durant might even move up higher.
Speaker 1: So if you look at it that way, Scottie is
Speaker 1: a great team player, not a solo artist. And if
Speaker 1: he doesn't have those six titles, if he has three titles, like,
Speaker 1: he's not a top fifty player of all time. But
Speaker 1: he was there with Michael and he did whatever needed
Speaker 1: to be done to allow Michael to do what he
Speaker 1: was going to do. They were rock stars. It's like
Speaker 1: Dennis Rodman did what he was supposed to do. So
Speaker 1: and Scotti is Keith Richards, not Mick Jagger, and I
Speaker 1: think it bothers him. I think the documentary The Last Dance,
Speaker 1: I think that hurt him. I think Jordan did him
Speaker 1: a disservice. Now he's got a book coming out, and
Speaker 1: who knows who he's taking shots at in that book
Speaker 1: that's coming out, But you know Michael did him a disservice. Yeah, mcclub.
Speaker 1: Katie is thirty two, kind of needs to win to
Speaker 1: get into a top five, top ten? Does he need
Speaker 1: to win a couple more? He's a top ten player.
Speaker 1: I think he'll be a top ten player of all time,
Speaker 1: could have won that one against Toronto too, if he
Speaker 1: didn't get hurt. Yeah, yeah, but he did. I mean
Speaker 1: Magic could have won another title if he didn't get hurt.
Speaker 1: Like you know, Larry Bird could have won more titles
Speaker 1: if he didn't hurt his back. I mean the sport
Speaker 1: is littered with that. I mean, if Anthony Davis doesn't
Speaker 1: get hurt this year, what happens to the Lakers? Like,
Speaker 1: you can always do the what if, but you got hurt.
Speaker 1: I don't know why everybody's focusing on the Kevin Durant
Speaker 1: Scottie Pippen part of this. I guess because Durant responded,
Speaker 1: and if you can include a little secret here, folks,
Speaker 1: if you can include Lebron into a conversation, you're gonna
Speaker 1: get clicks. Yeah. Pippan also said he thinks Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: going to come back on time. I didn't mention that,
Speaker 1: but in the g I didn't see that. I didn't
Speaker 1: read the whole article. Is that true? Okay? That's something
Speaker 1: all right? Speaking of Aaron Rodgers, where is he on
Speaker 1: the Pro Football Focus Top fifty list? They just put
Speaker 1: this out. I got some real questions here, take a break.
Speaker 1: We'll discuss that coming up next to it at sixteen
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Speaker 1: Pro Football Focus has put out its list of the
Speaker 1: top fifty players in the NFL. I'm going down the
Speaker 1: list a little bit here, and I agree with a
Speaker 1: lot of the names that are in here. I was
Speaker 1: surprised at a few names that we're in here. Some
Speaker 1: a little too high, some a little too low. I
Speaker 1: have a real problem with Josh Allen being the fortieth best.
Speaker 1: But I want to have some context here, because we're
Speaker 1: all about context. Steve Palazzolo, Pro Football Focus Senior analyst,
Speaker 1: host of Pro Football Focus the NFL podcast. All right,
Speaker 1: give me context here, Steve, of how you came up
Speaker 1: with the fifty best players in the NFL. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: context behind it is essentially all positions are created equal.
Speaker 1: Just for this exercise, we're not worried about positional values.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously if we were, it'd be all quarterbacks
Speaker 1: and that'd be it. So that's the first step, and
Speaker 1: then it's looking forward. It's looking to twenty twenty one,
Speaker 1: so it's taking not just last year, but you know,
Speaker 1: multiple years of information and then saying, Okay, who are
Speaker 1: the best players going forward based off everything we know,
Speaker 1: and again not worried too much about the quarterback being
Speaker 1: the most valuable player on the field. Okay, what makes
Speaker 1: Aaron Donald number one on the list. He just we
Speaker 1: grade every player on every play, Dan, and he is
Speaker 1: just dominant, you know, from a pass rushing standpoint, from
Speaker 1: a run defense standpoint, and it's been like that for
Speaker 1: you know, since he entered the league. He's been the
Speaker 1: highest graded interior defensive lineman every year since his rookie season.
Speaker 1: And he just does it all. And it's one of
Speaker 1: those things that shows up when he when he plays
Speaker 1: eight hundred nine hundred snaps. It shows up more than
Speaker 1: more than just sack totals and tackle numbers. He's just
Speaker 1: the most unblockable player that we've ever seen. Really in
Speaker 1: the PF ERA then yeah, Patrick Mahomes two, Travis Kelsey three,
Speaker 1: Quintin Nelson four, Davante Adams five, Khalil mack Is six,
Speaker 1: Tom Brady seven, Bobby Wagner eight, George Kittle nine, Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers ten. Um, I can't put Brady that high. Wagner,
Speaker 1: I like, but you know, like Khalil mack they're not
Speaker 1: playing in really meaningful games. Give me your ration, now,
Speaker 1: give me your ration now. Yeah. So with Brady, you know,
Speaker 1: he was our number two graded quarterback last year. Now
Speaker 1: it was behind Aaron Rodgers. But again we're taking body
Speaker 1: of work. So if you yeah, until Brady really shows
Speaker 1: physical decline, he's our highest graded quarterback not only you know,
Speaker 1: of the pf ERA, but of the last four years,
Speaker 1: of the last five years. So we gave Brady the
Speaker 1: nod there with Wagner. It's really a tough time for
Speaker 1: linebackers in the NFL. Offensive coordinators are just attacking linebackers
Speaker 1: that everything that they they're spending right now this entire
Speaker 1: offseason thinking of ways to make Bobby Wagner another line
Speaker 1: backers lives are miserable, but Wagner has been the clear
Speaker 1: top linebacker in the league since Luke Keikley retired, and
Speaker 1: a guy like Khalil Mack is similar to Aaron Donald.
Speaker 1: It's just the down to down consistency. The sack totals
Speaker 1: might fluctuate a little bit, but as far as just
Speaker 1: winning one on ones and being a force in the
Speaker 1: run game, that's where Khalil Mack shines every year. Give
Speaker 1: me your biggest surprise, it's Bryce Callahan. Does anybody know?
Speaker 1: Bryce Callahan here, the cornerback for the Denver Broncos. Look
Speaker 1: so early, pff Era. We did this back and we
Speaker 1: started this in two thousand and eight, and Chris Harris
Speaker 1: of the Broncos was like the first guy where we
Speaker 1: kept grading him well, grading him well, and people started
Speaker 1: to catch on, maybe this guy's pretty good. Bryce Callahan
Speaker 1: could be that next guy. He has graded well with
Speaker 1: the Chicago Bears, with the Denver Broncos. He's done it
Speaker 1: in the slot, he's done it outside. He's only five
Speaker 1: nine eighty eight. He shouldn't be that good. But we
Speaker 1: grade production and he's just been really productive every time
Speaker 1: he's been on the field. I the one that stood
Speaker 1: out more than anything else is Josh Allen is forty
Speaker 1: on this list, and I don't think anybody was more
Speaker 1: valuable to their team last year than Josh Allen was.
Speaker 1: What am I nat? He was fantastic last year. Again,
Speaker 1: I think you just have to take the entire body
Speaker 1: of work. So if you look at Josh Allen, he
Speaker 1: was he was average to blow average his first two years.
Speaker 1: Last year it was a legitimate breakout season. So the
Speaker 1: fact that he's even on the list after being a
Speaker 1: below average quarterback, probably the twenty eighth, thirtieth best quarterback
Speaker 1: his first two years in the league. I mean, I
Speaker 1: think that's just a testament to how much he's grown
Speaker 1: in the short area, intermediate area. His accuracy, decision making
Speaker 1: has gotten better. So, look, Allen was fantastic last year.
Speaker 1: I just think it's let's see it for one more year.
Speaker 1: You know, is he going to regress a little bit
Speaker 1: or is he there? Is he an official superstar? And
Speaker 1: if he is, he'll be in that top ten to
Speaker 1: twenty range. Probably next year. You got Dak Prescott at fifty.
Speaker 1: That is that higher than you thought, lower than you thought. Honestly,
Speaker 1: I think it was it was close between Dak between
Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson. If if another quarterback didn't land on the list,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't have been all that upset. I think there's
Speaker 1: I think there's a cutoff between the Mahomes, Brady's Rogers
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson's of the world, and then again Josh
Speaker 1: Allen kind of in that gray area. I think it
Speaker 1: is a big year for Lamar to maybe you know,
Speaker 1: get back to that MVP caliber self. But with Dak,
Speaker 1: I think what we've seen is he's played when he's
Speaker 1: been on the field the last two years, the best
Speaker 1: football of his career. Trending in the right direction. I
Speaker 1: think we saw how valuable he was for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: last year after he went down. So a lot of
Speaker 1: things for Dak pointing toward him moving in the right
Speaker 1: direction to be that top seven or eight quarterback moving forward.
Speaker 1: And this is based on a body of work. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So if it was just based off of last year,
Speaker 1: how would this hold different? Would this list be? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And so we do a list, you know at the
Speaker 1: end of the season that is just looking back. It's like,
Speaker 1: here's the we do a top one on one and
Speaker 1: it's just the two twenty twenty season. Josh Allen would
Speaker 1: be much higher, you know. So Dak obviously wouldn't be
Speaker 1: on the list. He only played the six games. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it multiple year sample sizes do matter right in the
Speaker 1: way guys trending or but also not overweighing too much
Speaker 1: of one year. So I think there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys on this list where it's like, hey, just prove
Speaker 1: it for one more year and then you'll, you know,
Speaker 1: you might be moving up the list for next year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I love Quinton Nelson and I thought that
Speaker 1: that would have been enough for Andrew Luck to stay.
Speaker 1: But but it feels like Quinton Nelson's going to the
Speaker 1: Hall of Fame. Yeah. He's funny because as soon as
Speaker 1: he came out, you know, so because we do you know,
Speaker 1: some analytics and we grade tape, you know, we we
Speaker 1: have a little battles with the offensive line community that thinks,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe you don't know exactly what the offensive
Speaker 1: line is doing. Quinton Nelson's the one who kind of
Speaker 1: like brings us together the offensive line. Durus love him.
Speaker 1: The analytics love him. He grades well, he finished his
Speaker 1: plays um, he was outstanding at Notre Dame. Yeah he is.
Speaker 1: He is on a Hall of Fame track. He's been
Speaker 1: the highest graded guard since entering the league, in his
Speaker 1: three years. If we looked at this right now of
Speaker 1: guys who are Hall of famers right now, is Aaron
Speaker 1: Donald a hall of famer? Yes? Or now? Right now? Yes? Absolutely?
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes, yes he will be. No right now? Oh,
Speaker 1: right now. I think Mahomes is already. Yeah, he's been
Speaker 1: a star. I'd say no. Travis Kelsey. I think Kelsey
Speaker 1: is Quentin Nielson. You can't say now for only three
Speaker 1: years for a guard, I would say no right now, Okay.
Speaker 1: Davante Adams, I'd say no right now. There's too many
Speaker 1: good receivers in this era. Khalil Mack I think Mac
Speaker 1: is Yeah, we've got big body of work. Bobby Wagner, Yes,
Speaker 1: him and Keithley are the two best linebackers of their era.
Speaker 1: Zack Martin not yet. No, DeAndre Hopkins, oh man, all
Speaker 1: the all the receivers are tough man. There's so many
Speaker 1: productive receivers, right, how do you separate those? I don't
Speaker 1: know if Hopkins actually is now, are we using opinions
Speaker 1: or calculations when you're coming up with these with these lists. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so it's based off again, we grade every player, and
Speaker 1: every player we put a grade out there. We can
Speaker 1: look at year grades, multi year grades. It's not it's
Speaker 1: not automated, um, but it's using that as a foundation,
Speaker 1: and then there's a little bit of intelligence that goes
Speaker 1: into you know, howard guys used, how often have they
Speaker 1: been on the field. So it's based off PFF grades
Speaker 1: with a little bit of our own intelligence over the top.
Speaker 1: When putting the list together, give me your top three
Speaker 1: most challenged teams right now? Well, the Bucks and Chiefs
Speaker 1: definitely have to be up there, and then the Cleveland
Speaker 1: Browns are up there. When you talk about just pure
Speaker 1: roster management, the Cleveland Browns have done incredible work. Offensive lines, outstanding,
Speaker 1: good group of playmakers. They've they've rebuilt that secondary which
Speaker 1: which really hurt them last year. The Browns have very
Speaker 1: few weaknesses as a roster. The Bucks are clearly in
Speaker 1: their own, you know, realm as far as they don't
Speaker 1: have any weaknesses. They're running it back from the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl year. The Chiefs are a little top heavy with
Speaker 1: their stars of course, with Mahomes, Kelsey and Tyreek Hill,
Speaker 1: and but the Browns are one of those teams that's
Speaker 1: just so good all around and one of the most
Speaker 1: talented in the NFL. The least talented team in the
Speaker 1: NFL is I think the well the Texans, the Houston
Speaker 1: Texans Detroit Lions are battling for that. They're both rebuildings.
Speaker 1: They should trade Deshaun Watson if they can, based off
Speaker 1: all the moves they made this offseason. Yes, I mean
Speaker 1: the Texans are two years removed from being a playoff team.
Speaker 1: Last year they fell apart because the defense was horrible,
Speaker 1: and yes they should definitely. They're in full rebuild mode
Speaker 1: in Houston and they signed about, you know, twenty you know,
Speaker 1: mid tier type of free agents this offseason, So it
Speaker 1: looks like more of an expansion team in Houston right now.
Speaker 1: Where do you label rank Kirk Cousins. I rank a
Speaker 1: lot of quarterbacks in that middle tier, and it's it's
Speaker 1: kind of like the old like number three starter in baseball.
Speaker 1: You know, a guy that eats up a lot of
Speaker 1: innings and one year you can win fifteen games, another
Speaker 1: year you can win ten. I think with Cousins and
Speaker 1: a lot of the mid tier quarterbacks, when you get
Speaker 1: that good group of receivers, when you get that good
Speaker 1: offensive line, they'll produce. And Cousins is always had a
Speaker 1: nice group of receivers, so he'll produce at a top
Speaker 1: ten type of level statistically. But I don't think you're
Speaker 1: asking Kirk Cousins to go and carry your team like
Speaker 1: you are some of those top tier quarterbacks. So he's
Speaker 1: in that middle tier like I think maybe ten to
Speaker 1: twelve fifteen other quarterbacks are. Being a former minor league pitcher,
Speaker 1: I'm curious what you think of spider tack and all
Speaker 1: of the substances. The how did you cheat? Is what
Speaker 1: I want to know, Steve, when you were in the
Speaker 1: minor leagues, I did not cheat enough because I didn't
Speaker 1: take it out of the miners dan. I mean, I
Speaker 1: hated having any sticky substances on my fingers. I hated it.
Speaker 1: I didn't really I thought it was just a little
Speaker 1: bit of help for grip that guys used it for,
Speaker 1: and then I didn't realize it was an increase in
Speaker 1: spin rates and all that stuff. So I consider it
Speaker 1: a missed opportunity, A good scuffed ball was nice though
Speaker 1: for me because it was good for my splitter. You
Speaker 1: get a little crazy movement on that if you get
Speaker 1: a nice scuffed ball. Not that I ever did that
Speaker 1: intention but who scuffs it. It's more of a luck thing,
Speaker 1: like if I wanted to keep you know, you throw
Speaker 1: a little sandpaper in there. But every now and again
Speaker 1: the umpire keeps a scuffed ball in there and you
Speaker 1: get it and you just put it in the right
Speaker 1: spot to get that extra movement. But a catcher can
Speaker 1: help you. Your third basement could help you, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you get some of that. Again, I never I never
Speaker 1: intentionally did that, which is why I never made it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, if if you want to scoff, you just
Speaker 1: you talk to the right people. The statute of limitations
Speaker 1: is up. Steve. You're good like you know, you can
Speaker 1: tell us how you were cheating. True, true, Not enough again,
Speaker 1: apparently I didn't man the spider tack stuff I want
Speaker 1: to go throw right now. I know. Hey, great to
Speaker 1: talk to you again, Thanks for joining us. We love
Speaker 1: the worked at Pro Football Focus does. Thanks Steve. Steve
Speaker 1: Pezolo a former minor league pitcher and apparently an accidental cheater. Yes,
Speaker 1: pob isn't he like six foot nine? Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: a pitcher. He's a tall drink of water, Dan, Yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: look at the list. So in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 1: has the top rank wide receiver in the NFL and
Speaker 1: the top rank left tackle in David But I believe, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a top So that's why would you want to
Speaker 1: leave that? You don't want to leave that. So I've
Speaker 1: said all along, Aaron Rodgers wasn't leaving. I just don't
Speaker 1: know when he's showing up. You're not leaving. I just
Speaker 1: don't know when he's showing up. I had some phone
Speaker 1: calls in here, Tim in California. Then we'll get to
Speaker 1: the worst words in sports. If the two best words
Speaker 1: in sports or Game seven? What are the two worst words? Tim?
Speaker 1: Good morning, DP and the Dan Edge. Talking about Scottie Pippen,
Speaker 1: This story is just extremely fresh in my mind because
Speaker 1: when I heard this coming out of Scottie Pippen's mouth,
Speaker 1: I just was like in shock because the next day,
Speaker 1: after he didn't go in for the play, all the
Speaker 1: fans booed him. And so after the game was over,
Speaker 1: one of the reporters asked him, how did you feel
Speaker 1: about your own fans from Chicago booing you. And his
Speaker 1: reply was, well, if I was a white guy, they
Speaker 1: wouldn't have fooed me. And I was just like, are
Speaker 1: you serious now? So I was just kind of shocked
Speaker 1: about that. I just wanted to try men all right, Well,
Speaker 1: thank you, Tim. I just want clarification from Scottie. I mean,
Speaker 1: I try to be fair to everybody. I might not
Speaker 1: agree with what somebody says, but I at least want
Speaker 1: the context of what scott he was saying. Does he
Speaker 1: realize that he's calling Phil Jackson a racist directly, indirectly accidentally.
Speaker 1: If it's a racist move, then don't you have to
Speaker 1: be a racist to do it? Like I'm just trying
Speaker 1: to get the backstory on this, give me other examples there.
Speaker 1: If Scotty truly feels this, then that's the bombshell in
Speaker 1: all of this, not that he called out KD. And
Speaker 1: I think what he's saying about there's truth in what
Speaker 1: he's saying about KD. He's not Lebron. Lebron's not KD.
Speaker 1: He's not a facilitator. I just think that what the
Speaker 1: Nets did this year, I don't know how many plays
Speaker 1: were diagrammed. You didn't have the line up together. Harden
Speaker 1: was out of shape, came back, the hamstring stayed with him.
Speaker 1: Kyrie was in and out of the lineup. KD, who
Speaker 1: was the unhealthiest you would think coming into this season,
Speaker 1: was wonderful. Did everything that you wanted and it was
Speaker 1: a herculean task. Does Lebron make his team better? He
Speaker 1: makes them different. If you throw the ball to somebody
Speaker 1: but they don't make the shots, are you a great
Speaker 1: facilitator or are you now making bad decisions like why
Speaker 1: did you throw him the ball? You know? Has Lebron
Speaker 1: taken inferior talent to the NBA Finals? Yes, I've said
Speaker 1: many many times on this show that Cleveland Cavalier team
Speaker 1: that he took to the finals against the San Antonio
Speaker 1: Spurs was as bad as we've ever seen a representation
Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals. It just was you had guys
Speaker 1: who couldn't start for most teams in the NBA and
Speaker 1: they went to the NBA funds. Can KD do that? No?
Speaker 1: He cannot. KD is going to be one of the
Speaker 1: top ten players of all time. He's just different than Lebron.
Speaker 1: Would Lebron have made the nets better this year. He
Speaker 1: would have made them different this year. You didn't have
Speaker 1: you didn't have a cohesive unit. When they played, it
Speaker 1: was you know, it was fun. It was an a
Speaker 1: one mixtape. But they weren't there together. And when it
Speaker 1: came down to who's going to take the last shot, well,
Speaker 1: there was nobody else to take the last shot. Kevin
Speaker 1: Durant was exhausted, and I thought the last play that
Speaker 1: he shot, which was an airball, was poorly designed. But
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's ever said Kevin Durant was selfish,
Speaker 1: because he's not. He's never led the league in field
Speaker 1: goal attempts, not once, but he's led the league in scoring.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's fascinating. Is he better than Lebron? No,
Speaker 1: he's not. But you know that's not a just because
Speaker 1: you're not better than Lebron doesn't mean, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: you haven't had a successful career. You're not one of
Speaker 1: the greats of all time because he is. So Scotty's
Speaker 1: saying that, it's just Scotty's opinion. I mean, if you're
Speaker 1: the second best player of your generation, that's okay. I
Speaker 1: think I think you'll be okay with that. And it
Speaker 1: feels like Katie and Lebron have a good relationship. They
Speaker 1: did a commercial together. I mean, I don't know, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't think there's a real beef. I care
Speaker 1: the second best player on the planet. All right, I'm
Speaker 1: good with that. All Right, we'll take a break. Phone
Speaker 1: calls coming up. Oh, we're stacked up. Everybody's got the
Speaker 1: two worst words in sports if the two best are
Speaker 1: and they got to be clean. By the way, Marvin,
Speaker 1: make sure when you're screening that these guys, these are
Speaker 1: clean words. That they have the two worst words in sports. Also,
Speaker 1: a combined no hitter? Is it really a no hitter?
Speaker 1: And you had the Cubs bullpen didn't even know they
Speaker 1: were throwing a no hitter. Right, we'll take a break.
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Speaker 1: the two worst words in sports. By the way, Fritzie
Speaker 1: has a limerick off with one of our listeners coming
Speaker 1: up next hour. I have to come up with the
Speaker 1: topic for the limerick and this is for a shower shame. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How about Durant and Pippin? Oh okay, you got you
Speaker 1: got an hour to get ready for your limerick somehow
Speaker 1: combining Kevin Durant and Scottie Pippin. Okay, I like it night.
Speaker 1: Todd also has his suggestions two worst words in sports right,
Speaker 1: run down the list and we'll get some phone calls. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we had load load management, so moving on rain delay, okay,
Speaker 1: sold out. If you're looking photo going to a particular game,
Speaker 1: intentional walk, makeup call, it's a hyphen. So I've made
Speaker 1: two words, two and a half words commercial break under review,
Speaker 1: I could take a long time under protests and hey,
Speaker 1: that's not fair. We're protesting own goals. Saw that yesterday,
Speaker 1: Bench warnings. I'm fired, warning the benches, Hey, no obstructed view? Right? Quiet? Please?
Speaker 1: I don't like when the tennis jet says that I
Speaker 1: think you should be able to scream at all times
Speaker 1: as I can call and foreign substances slash pine time
Speaker 1: all right? Is it two words? Sean and Idaho? What
Speaker 1: are the two worst words in sports? Sean, good morning, Dan,
Speaker 1: have to meet Friday? Uh well, Fritzie just stole my
Speaker 1: thunder who we were going to go with? Commercial break?
Speaker 1: So I guess all I got is suck it back row.
Speaker 1: It's more than two words. Uh Mo and Arizona high
Speaker 1: Mo welcome back. Two worst words in sports? Good morning Dan,
Speaker 1: danett um uh. The two best two worst words in
Speaker 1: sports are oh, okay, oh David in Texas, David, Good
Speaker 1: morning Dan. The two worst words are swept again and
Speaker 1: you won't find any cleaner. All right, thank you, Yeah, Paully.
Speaker 1: Tommy John has to be I know it's a name,
Speaker 1: but yeah, Tommy John. There's rarely any good news around that. Ye,
Speaker 1: wide right, that's never or wide left? Part ways, coaches,
Speaker 1: part ways with the team, any other ones? Mclov and
Speaker 1: you got one. There was a broadcaster's name. I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, but I'm not gonna say it. It was
Speaker 1: tweeted at us. Okay, what is it? Twitter, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you off fair. I don't want to say it. Oh,
Speaker 1: we're gonna skip this wide for right now. Oh so
Speaker 1: is this a friend of the show. No, it's not
Speaker 1: a Hello friend of the show. Don't worry about that.
Speaker 1: Is he a Fox broadcaster? Let's just oh okay, I
Speaker 1: see what you did with it. Jokes Jo tweeted, that's
Speaker 1: just jokes. Berry in Long Island, Hi, Berry, welcome back,
Speaker 1: good morning fellows. Worse two words in sports mock headline. Wow, Wow,
Speaker 1: that's Berry. Berry's a member of the trime and he's
Speaker 1: taking a shot. I can't believe he just did that
Speaker 1: to man. I'm dare him cold Rex in Ohio? Hi, Rex,
Speaker 1: what's on your mind? Hey, d how you doing good? Man? Well?
Speaker 1: This is this is for Michigan fans Ohio State. Okay,
Speaker 1: have a good day. Thank you, Rex. Thank you. That's
Speaker 1: a good nice little shot there. Eight seven seven three
Speaker 1: d P show email irostp of Dan Patrick dot com
Speaker 1: Twitter handled at DP show, Uh Ryan and Iowa, Hey, Ry,
Speaker 1: what do you have for Hey? How's it going good? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I got two worst words in sports for you, vacated titles. Okay,
Speaker 1: all right, all right, I'm fine with that, although they
Speaker 1: don't vacate them, certainly not in baseball. I still well,
Speaker 1: it's a Friday. Look, I don't this is positivity Friday. Right,
Speaker 1: it's a meet Friday. But he's going a good mood. Yes,
Speaker 1: along those lines, how about the deflator? Okay, now those
Speaker 1: are too funny as words in sports. That was funny
Speaker 1: that that's that's your nickname loss some weight? Yeah, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: that's why they what coincident? It's like, you know, Jay
Speaker 1: Williams of the Mothership said that his Twitter account got
Speaker 1: hacked and and somebody put in there that you know,
Speaker 1: they the Celtics have finally hired a per a color
Speaker 1: to be their head coach. Of course, they had a
Speaker 1: player coach named Bill Russell to start out with. They
Speaker 1: had the first all black starting five, Doc Rivers in there,
Speaker 1: Casey Jones in there, and then Jay Williams said that
Speaker 1: his Twitter account was hacked. Okay, yeah, pulling. I've never
Speaker 1: been a hacker, but if I was going to hack someone,
Speaker 1: especially Jay Williams had probably got a lot of money.
Speaker 1: I probably can't look for bank account numbers or social
Speaker 1: squrity numbers. I probably wouldn't set them up to make
Speaker 1: an off handed comment about the history of the Celtics
Speaker 1: coaching situation to embarrass him on a national platform. Hey guys,
Speaker 1: we got Jay williams cecial scurity number. We're gonna hack him.
Speaker 1: You know what, we We've hacked his Twitter account. What
Speaker 1: do you want to do? I mean, how about we
Speaker 1: say the Celtics have finally hired a person of color
Speaker 1: to be their head coach. Yess, yes, hey, give me
Speaker 1: give me some dap. I dine out on that. But
Speaker 1: to embarrass him, if you're going to hack somebody, would
Speaker 1: you hack them like that? It's the best I've seen,
Speaker 1: that moment of finally getting in. Yea, all right, we're in.
Speaker 1: We're cracked. Now what do you want to Now? What
Speaker 1: do we do? Say something dumb about the Celtic guys.
Speaker 1: Guys in it, you know, some room jumping up and down.
Speaker 1: Look at that, Look at that, Look at the reaction.
Speaker 1: It's literally it's so stupid. Hey, dude, I just got
Speaker 1: a Orlovsky's bank account numbers. Let's make them say that
Speaker 1: Cam Newton's gonna be an MVP candidate. Yeah, you can
Speaker 1: just say you made a mistake, my bad, whatever. But
Speaker 1: I don't know if if if somebody is going to
Speaker 1: hack your account, I just don't think they would do that.
Speaker 1: And you can only use that once, right, your account
Speaker 1: got hacked? Oh god, like skip Baylis should do that
Speaker 1: for the past twelve years. Hey, my account was hacking.
Speaker 1: Kle in Florida. Hey Kal, what's on your mind? IDP?
Speaker 1: Are you doing the right? Yep, thank you, sir. Two
Speaker 1: worst words in sports have indubitably got to be TV
Speaker 1: blackout all right, TV blanckow all right. That was big
Speaker 1: back in the eighties. Uh, let's see what else do
Speaker 1: we have? Your Jilan in Nashville? Hey, do ADP happy
Speaker 1: meet Friday, Thank you, sir. Two worst words, Uh, double doink? Oh, okay,
Speaker 1: we'll playoff double doink there. Yeah, we always talk about
Speaker 1: Man game seven. Two best words in sports there. There
Speaker 1: are a lot of words that aren't good in sports. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Seton Todd's limerick. Ah, we got a mock headline. Shot,
Speaker 1: mock them headline. I like your limericks. Myck headline is
Speaker 1: not as much, not as much, not as prim as
Speaker 1: you like them. Just a little less, no, a lot less,
Speaker 1: a lot day. One hour left the show is what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do. Yeah, you got a guest for the
Speaker 1: final hour. Time? Oh you wrote your letter? Did? I
Speaker 1: don't know if I need to rework it or write
Speaker 1: another one, but I have an initial draft and uh
Speaker 1: Christian and Maine. I believes your competition and the audience
Speaker 1: is going to decide this for showers shame, final hour,
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