1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:04,720 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,240 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:13,920 Speaker 1: production of iHeartRadio. 5 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 2: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, 6 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:27,960 Speaker 2: my name is Nola. 7 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 3: They call me Ben. 8 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 4: We're joined as always with our super producer, all mission 9 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 4: controlled decond Most. 10 00:00:33,920 --> 00:00:36,120 Speaker 3: Importantly, you are you. You are here. 11 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 4: That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know. 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,479 Speaker 4: It's always going to be a crazy week at this point, 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:48,600 Speaker 4: and we are always We're always going to be over 14 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 4: the moon. 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 3: Just like a just like a Russian craft. 16 00:00:52,320 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 2: Uh when. 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 4: Right, We're gonna be okay, well, like an Indian lunar lander. 18 00:00:59,800 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 4: We are on or over the moon to share some 19 00:01:03,800 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 4: stories from our fellow conspiracy realist. You are the most 20 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:10,800 Speaker 4: important part of the show. It is an immense privilege 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 4: for us to be able to hang out with you 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 4: together in the dark. We are going to hear some 23 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 4: ideas about oh, we're going to have some much needed 24 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 4: explanations about jobs, about smoking wet. We're going to hear 25 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 4: some billionaire pranks. We're going to learn a little bit 26 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 4: about life and death, situations. We're going to hear some 27 00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 4: pretty solid pitches to explain certain UAP formerly known as UFOs. 28 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 4: And before we do any of that, we want to 29 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:47,119 Speaker 4: give a special shout out to a lot of our 30 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 4: fellow listeners who had written in with updates on the 31 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 4: Marion County newspaper raid and on a very troubling situation 32 00:01:58,400 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 4: down in Australia. So maybe we start there. Maybe maybe 33 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,560 Speaker 4: we start down south, oh. 34 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:08,839 Speaker 5: The South Little Australia, indeed home of the Chavs. We'll 35 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,359 Speaker 5: get to that a little later. But this came to 36 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:15,560 Speaker 5: me from a listener who wrote me on Instagram and 37 00:02:15,880 --> 00:02:18,720 Speaker 5: didn't give me permission to use their name, so we're 38 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 5: just kind of go with anonymous on this one. But 39 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 5: it was in reference to Matt the story that you 40 00:02:23,919 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 5: brought recently in a Strange News I believe episode about 41 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 5: a case of poisoning, mushroom poisoning that took place in Australia. 42 00:02:34,040 --> 00:02:36,560 Speaker 6: Just to clarify, no, it was a When we were 43 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 6: reporting on it, it was believed to have been a 44 00:02:39,360 --> 00:02:42,720 Speaker 6: mushroom poisoning, right like nobody had confirmed at that point. 45 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 5: That's right, And and I forgive me this specific Victoria 46 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 5: is the province. I think they're called. Is that what 47 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,680 Speaker 5: they're called in Australia, It's it's a small town in Victoria. 48 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 5: And this is a case where some food was prepared 49 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:06,080 Speaker 5: for a family picnic and several individuals were sickened and 50 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 5: I believe three of them died. And there were some 51 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:16,040 Speaker 5: sketchy details surrounding this. Aaron Patterson, who prepared this meal, 52 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:21,400 Speaker 5: was estranged from her husband, uh and that was kind 53 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,200 Speaker 5: of one of the details that led to a lot 54 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 5: of speculation perhaps this was intentional and intentional poisoning. Her 55 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 5: husband at the last minute did not come to this meal, 56 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 5: to this situation, this kind of camping kind of situation, 57 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 5: I guess it was, if I'm not mistaken. And also 58 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 5: like there was like a dehydrator that was found abandoned 59 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 5: and things like that that were in the reports that we, 60 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 5: you know, initially talked about that you brought Matt and 61 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 5: now some new details have come to light. But also 62 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:59,080 Speaker 5: a listener wrote in on Instagram to send just some 63 00:03:59,120 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 5: images of this is an listener from Australia who sent 64 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 5: some images of mushrooms that are commonly foraged in Australia 65 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 5: and just wanted to point out that they're you know, 66 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:14,080 Speaker 5: to the untrained eye, there's some similarities between a death 67 00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 5: cap mushroom and some other innocuous mushrooms or mushrooms that 68 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:20,839 Speaker 5: might be you know, foraged in the wild to use 69 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 5: for cooking, you know, like we do hear about people 70 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:26,240 Speaker 5: foraging for Chantrell's and morals and all of that kind 71 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:29,480 Speaker 5: of stuff. It's, you know, it's they're delicious. You're a 72 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 5: mushroom person. These are these are really tasty additions to 73 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 5: to cooking. You know, if this is something that you 74 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 5: are trained at least at the very least have a 75 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 5: basic understanding of what these look like, you know, morels 76 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 5: and Chantrelle's very specific looking mushrooms. This listener wrote in 77 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:50,640 Speaker 5: and had a picture of quite a few different looking mushrooms, 78 00:04:50,680 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 5: some of which pretty closely did resemble the death cap mushroom, which, 79 00:04:54,160 --> 00:04:56,560 Speaker 5: as you pointed up in I believe on the Strange 80 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 5: News installment, are not native to Australia, but have come 81 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:08,039 Speaker 5: there through I believe wood. Wasn't that right, Yeah, through wood. 82 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 5: We'll leave it at that. And so therefore, now are 83 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 5: you know they do occur in the wild, Because initially 84 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:14,880 Speaker 5: I think I had said, wait a minute. If they're 85 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 5: not they're not indigenous, that doesn't make sense. These must 86 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 5: have been something that was imported or used Aaron Patterson. Again, 87 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,240 Speaker 5: the woman prepared the meal has now been questioned and 88 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:30,320 Speaker 5: has made some statements, one of which was that she 89 00:05:30,520 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 5: bought these mushrooms at an Asian supermarket. And there have 90 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:40,479 Speaker 5: been some reports that have come out from a couple 91 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 5: of different media outlets that quote a forensic psychologist by 92 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 5: the name of Tim Watson Monroe who has been involved 93 00:05:49,120 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 5: in some, you know, some pretty high profile cases there 94 00:05:52,520 --> 00:05:58,400 Speaker 5: in Australia, and mister Watson Monroe identified several red flags 95 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,159 Speaker 5: in this case. I'm speaking to the Australian, so a 96 00:06:02,200 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 5: major outlet there in Australia. And one of the things 97 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:09,719 Speaker 5: that he was quoted as saying in an article from 98 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:12,839 Speaker 5: the New Zealand Herald that I found is I don't 99 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 5: believe in coincidences. Rather, to quote precisely, I'm not a 100 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 5: big believer in coincidences. And what he's referring to is 101 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 5: the fact that Patterson's husband had had a previous bout 102 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 5: with serious food poisoning type symptoms. And I can't remember 103 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 5: if we mentioned this. I don't think we did. I 104 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 5: don't know that it had come out yet, but apparently 105 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 5: was in a very very bad way back in twenty 106 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 5: twenty two. In fact, there are two cases that are 107 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 5: cited in this article of gastric related complications. The New 108 00:06:52,720 --> 00:06:56,479 Speaker 5: Zealand Herald reports that Simon spent twenty one days in 109 00:06:56,520 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 5: intensive care after collapsing from a mystery stomach at his home, 110 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 5: where his friends and family were told to come and 111 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 5: say goodbye in case he died. 112 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:07,880 Speaker 2: He was in a coma for a while. 113 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, twenty one days is a lot of time. That 114 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 5: makes sense that tracks. Did we have that info? Matt Beckett, 115 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 5: upon initially talking about this story. 116 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 6: No, some of the reporting was just about how he 117 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 6: was estranged and how he had been sick in the past, 118 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,680 Speaker 6: But it wasn't like connecting it up. It does feel 119 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 6: as though the investigation is attempting to make the connection 120 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 6: between his previous illnesses and then this latest accidental or 121 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 6: purposeful poisoning. 122 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 5: That's right, and Watson Rope says as much, or basically 123 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 5: says to one or the other. Obviously, he says he 124 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 5: was either willfully poisoned or it was just bad luck. 125 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 5: But then again, that's you know, let's refer back to 126 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 5: point one. Watson Monroe does not believe in coincidences in 127 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 5: these kinds of cases. 128 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: Red flag number two. 129 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 5: As reported by the New Zealand Herald, Watson Monroe isn't 130 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 5: convinced by Patterson's statement in which she claimed to have 131 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 5: purchased the mushrooms at an unnamed Asian supermarket, because he said, 132 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:10,880 Speaker 5: people just don't retail them. It's not that loose. So 133 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 5: if this was like a supermarket of any scale, they're vendors. 134 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 5: You know, this stuff isn't just come. They don't sell 135 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 5: foraged stuff at like Super h Mart, you know, it's 136 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,120 Speaker 5: that's not a thing. Perhaps a farmer's market or something 137 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 5: where you maybe have a stand with like the mushroom 138 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 5: guy or whatever, and we have that here and Atlanta 139 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 5: there's actually really amazing mushroom person that sells foraged and 140 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 5: I believe farm grown mushrooms at various farmers markets, you know, 141 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 5: around and we're talking like you know, a little booth 142 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 5: under you know, or you rent a space and you 143 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:46,160 Speaker 5: bring your stuff. A lot of like local and regional 144 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 5: farms set up in these kinds of things. That is 145 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 5: not what she reported she specifically reported that it was 146 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 5: at an Asian supermarket, and then they don't have a name, 147 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,439 Speaker 5: so we don't know, but supermarket is definitely in there, 148 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 5: and that to me implies some level of scale, and 149 00:08:59,000 --> 00:09:03,679 Speaker 5: to Watson Monroe point tough to believe that something like 150 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 5: this would just get in there. Another thing we didn't 151 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 5: know that we talked about and questioned was what the 152 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 5: dish was. And this is really interesting because I've made 153 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 5: one of these before, beef Wellington. 154 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 3: Which has a whole layer of mushrooms. 155 00:09:18,400 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 5: It's called a duck cell. A duck cell. It's basically 156 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:24,679 Speaker 5: you take a bunch of mushrooms, a bunch of mushrooms. 157 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 5: You know, mushrooms cooked down, they're full of water. So 158 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,800 Speaker 5: when you coach exactly when you cook down to get 159 00:09:29,840 --> 00:09:34,800 Speaker 5: the amount of mushroom bits that you need to basically 160 00:09:34,840 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 5: coat the puff pastry. This is a nice piece of beef, 161 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 5: beef tenderloin that's wrapped in puff pastry that is coated 162 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 5: on the inside, usually with some kind of proshudo or parmeham, 163 00:09:46,120 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 5: and then another layer under that that has this mushroom 164 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 5: mixture that you cook down I think with some red 165 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,640 Speaker 5: wine and I think there's also mustard involved, but it's 166 00:09:55,679 --> 00:09:57,880 Speaker 5: a lot. You have to cook down a ton of 167 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,920 Speaker 5: large mushrooms, chop up tiny and then it still makes 168 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 5: an absurdly reduced amount from where you started. So what 169 00:10:06,520 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 5: a great way to make a highly concentrated thing. 170 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 3: You know. 171 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 5: I mean, even you wouldn't have to have them all 172 00:10:14,360 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 5: be these mushrooms. You could just mix a few of 173 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 5: them in. These are very very deadly. 174 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 4: Especially if they don't care about getting caught. That's right, 175 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 4: that's right. 176 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:27,559 Speaker 5: Another red flag number three, Patterson, again quoting from the 177 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 5: New Zealand Herald piece. Patterson revealed in a follow up 178 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 5: statement to Beliast that her children were not present at 179 00:10:33,600 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 5: the lunch, despite initial reports that they were. And I 180 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 5: cannot recall if in this story they were present, but 181 00:10:41,480 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 5: I think that was the thing we were sort of questioning, 182 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 5: where It's like, if her kids were there, that would 183 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:49,680 Speaker 5: sure sech make it look less suspicious on her part 184 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,600 Speaker 5: in terms of the intentionality of it. And I believe 185 00:10:52,640 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 5: in the reporting that we had we put them there. 186 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 6: That was the initial reporting was that the children were 187 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 6: there eating a separate meal. 188 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,760 Speaker 5: Separate meal because we talked about kids don't like mushrooms. 189 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 5: There was another claim that Patterson made, saying that the 190 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 5: kids were at the movies in fact, but that they 191 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 5: ate the leftovers of the same meal the following day, 192 00:11:16,640 --> 00:11:19,160 Speaker 5: which is that doesn't seem to line up, you know, 193 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 5: with what we'd heard, even in the initial reports, which 194 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:24,200 Speaker 5: probably you know, obviously initial reports something like this. It's 195 00:11:24,240 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 5: an official investigation. This woman hasn't been compelled to make 196 00:11:27,559 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 5: a statement at this point. There's a lot of conjecture 197 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 5: going on, with a lot of like conflicting things going around, 198 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:35,560 Speaker 5: you know, and I think none of us were trying 199 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,000 Speaker 5: to try this woman, you know, in the court of 200 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 5: public opinion or anything. We made a couple of points 201 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 5: that were if this was unintentional, what a painful thing 202 00:11:45,400 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 5: to go through, especially when the media is immediately casting 203 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 5: aspersions on you, you know, and to have reporters come in 204 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 5: to your door asking you about, you know, a loved 205 00:11:54,280 --> 00:11:57,200 Speaker 5: one who has died. I mean the people that died 206 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:01,600 Speaker 5: were family friends or perhaps in law. I'm sorry if. 207 00:12:01,760 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's her husband's family, as her husband's mother's sister 208 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 6: and husband got it. 209 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:14,960 Speaker 5: So that's red flag number three. I'll just read one 210 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 5: last little kind of wrap up from Watson Monroe seems 211 00:12:17,600 --> 00:12:20,440 Speaker 5: like a smart fellow. Watson Monroe says police would be 212 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 5: looking for points of weakness and the slow, steady approach 213 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:26,599 Speaker 5: would be tactical. He said, it's fascinating case. Everyone is 214 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 5: talking about it. And then another last little detail, another 215 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:32,839 Speaker 5: controversial part of the case is the details surrounding the 216 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:35,679 Speaker 5: dumping of a food dehydrator. Talked about that. That was 217 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,920 Speaker 5: definitely a detail that we had early. A police statement 218 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 5: by Patterson was reportedly leaked to the media revealing she 219 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:46,400 Speaker 5: became unwell after eating the meal. She admitted she then 220 00:12:46,720 --> 00:12:49,800 Speaker 5: dumped a dehydrator she used to prepare the meal at 221 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,560 Speaker 5: a nearby tip, which was a word we weren't familiar with. 222 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 5: But I believe, Matt, you found that that's a dumpster 223 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 5: or like a Herbie Kirby kind of you know, trash hopper, right. 224 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: I don't know for sure, that's whatever. 225 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:05,800 Speaker 5: It's a trash receptacle tip. Yeah, exactly, at a nearby 226 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 5: tip soon afterwards because she was in a panic. That's 227 00:13:08,800 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 5: super sus too, because she's trying to say I was 228 00:13:12,360 --> 00:13:16,760 Speaker 5: sick too, and I panicked. And then but then later 229 00:13:16,880 --> 00:13:20,640 Speaker 5: she admitted lying to police about how long ago she 230 00:13:20,840 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 5: disposed of the food dehydrator, initially saying that she put 231 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:30,359 Speaker 5: it there quote a long time ago, but then revealed 232 00:13:30,400 --> 00:13:34,120 Speaker 5: that she did it immediately after everyone got sick. Also, 233 00:13:34,160 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 5: we have reports saying that Patterson was a quote experienced 234 00:13:37,640 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 5: fung guy forager, which again back to our listener who 235 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 5: will keep anonymous, and I didn't get express permission to 236 00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:49,679 Speaker 5: use this this conversation to name them. It seems from 237 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 5: interacting with folks from Australia, I think you guys might 238 00:13:52,480 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 5: have as well. This is very common. A lot of 239 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:58,079 Speaker 5: people are experienced forgers. This is a very different ecosystem 240 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,360 Speaker 5: than we're used to hear. A lot of things that fish. 241 00:14:01,040 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 5: Lot of people that live there are are a bit 242 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,319 Speaker 5: closer to nature than we are here in the States, 243 00:14:07,640 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 5: I think, just in general. But maybe I'm generalizing there, 244 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:14,000 Speaker 5: but it does seem from the few people that I 245 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 5: have encountered, you know, and have relationships with in Australia 246 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,880 Speaker 5: that they do have a lot of you know, naturalists, 247 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,320 Speaker 5: just kind of like you know, hob hobby level kind 248 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,880 Speaker 5: of naturalists there. I don't know, ye'all, this is all 249 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 5: very interesting. Thank you to our listener who for the 250 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,480 Speaker 5: pictures and you know, and then also just for opening, 251 00:14:34,160 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 5: I hadn't thought of the story, and I just wanted 252 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 5: to follow up and look, And it turns out these 253 00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 5: are very new those are just a couple of days ago. 254 00:14:39,840 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 5: A lot of these these updates. So thank you for 255 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 5: reminding us of the story and giving us a chance 256 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 5: to kind of look look at some of the new info. 257 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 3: But what do y'all think? This really doesn't look. 258 00:14:49,080 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 5: Good for Patterson at all? 259 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: Certainly not. 260 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: As we've kind of alluded to in previous conversations. The 261 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,520 Speaker 4: news and the stories that we hear, they don't stop 262 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 4: just because mass media isn't reporting them. In your neck 263 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 4: of the global woods, I have a running folder where 264 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 4: I keep track on Oh God, I hoard information the 265 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 4: way that like RPG video games make you hoard items, 266 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 4: And so we follow up on all this stuff. And 267 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:26,760 Speaker 4: we really appreciate because again, if you are listening to this, 268 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 4: you specifically you are the source of some of the 269 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:35,800 Speaker 4: best information, some of the best inspiration we get. So 270 00:15:36,280 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 4: thank you Anonymous on Instagram, because this touches on so 271 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 4: much stuff. 272 00:15:42,760 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 3: And like Noel, to. 273 00:15:43,480 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 4: Your point, this is still actively developing. There is going 274 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 4: to be more that comes out in this case, and 275 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 4: I think it is worth our time collectively, you know, 276 00:15:55,160 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 4: to take a look at it. And I really appreciate 277 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,800 Speaker 4: I really appreciate that point. And it's a point that 278 00:16:01,880 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 4: I think more people should be saying in the public sphere. 279 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 4: The court of public opinion is not a court of law, 280 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 4: and if this person was involved in no sort of 281 00:16:14,560 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 4: malevolent activities, then it is deeply traumatic and unclean to 282 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:26,680 Speaker 4: subject them to baseless accusations. Now, if it turns out 283 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:31,000 Speaker 4: that there there was homicide of foot, then that that 284 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 4: is for investigators to decide. I just I just wanted 285 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:38,040 Speaker 4: to give some space and say that I really appreciate 286 00:16:38,120 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 4: that point. 287 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 3: I think it's mission critical. 288 00:16:40,240 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 5: Agreed, and nothing really to add because it's just, you know, 289 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 5: these are just this is this is being reported and 290 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:51,800 Speaker 5: we're just talking about it. And I does feel as 291 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 5: though the investigation will yield some results, whether this woman 292 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:01,080 Speaker 5: is exonerated or something else. And we'll keep an eye 293 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 5: on it and check back in. But I think that's 294 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,560 Speaker 5: all we got today for this one. Let's take a 295 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 5: quick break here, a word from our sponsor, and then 296 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,960 Speaker 5: come back with another message from you. 297 00:17:15,640 --> 00:17:17,920 Speaker 3: And we have returned. 298 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 4: Folks went a little hard earlier this week on the 299 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:26,399 Speaker 4: mysterious plane crash out there in Russia. Shout out to 300 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,800 Speaker 4: our pal Jake Hanrahan excellent timing. Jake on making a 301 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:36,040 Speaker 4: show called sad Oligarch, So I thought for this little 302 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 4: break in the middle, we do one of our favorite 303 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 4: things about our weekly listener mail segment, which is, you know, 304 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,880 Speaker 4: letters from home, how are things going in your neck 305 00:17:46,920 --> 00:17:49,400 Speaker 4: of the woods. We've got three pretty brief wins that 306 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 4: are not related to mysterious deaths in Russia because I've 307 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 4: been deep in that world. Thank you to everybody reached 308 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 4: out on Twitter and Instagram. We understand when it is necessary. 309 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 4: I understand when it's necessary to protect your identity as 310 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 4: best as possible. But thank you for the insights and 311 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,919 Speaker 4: stay safe out there, folks. Here are some things that 312 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 4: are a little bit lighter. We are always grateful for clarifications, 313 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 4: for help with corrections. You're not just helping us, you're 314 00:18:24,119 --> 00:18:27,639 Speaker 4: helping everybody who is a part of this show. Let's 315 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 4: start with a cool clarification from Concerned Redneck. Now, we've 316 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:34,600 Speaker 4: got a lot of we've got a lot of friends 317 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 4: and fellow conspiracy realists out in Australia as we know, right, 318 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 4: and we got this really cool clarification. I'm just gonna 319 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,600 Speaker 4: read it and then let's hear the response, because I'll 320 00:18:45,600 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 4: need your help, Matt and Nole to figure out whether 321 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:51,760 Speaker 4: this is real. Concerned Redneck says, hey, guys, I've been 322 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 4: listening to some backlog episodes and I regularly hear you 323 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:02,399 Speaker 4: equate chovs Bogans and rednecks. Bogan and rednecks are similar enough, 324 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:07,640 Speaker 4: but a CHAV is most definitely not in that category. 325 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:13,840 Speaker 4: Chovs c chavs are usually urban, low income and most 326 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:20,280 Speaker 4: likely criminals. CHAV literally stands for wait for it, council 327 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,720 Speaker 4: house and violent. The closest US comparison to CHAV would 328 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:31,639 Speaker 4: be hood rat. Sincerely, concerned Redneck. Now, I don't know 329 00:19:31,640 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 4: if that's true. I didn't even want to check yet. 330 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 4: I wanted to ask you, guys, does this sound plausible? 331 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 5: Well, council housing is. There's also I think they refer 332 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:40,960 Speaker 5: to them in the UK as council flats as well, 333 00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 5: and I think here you would maybe refer to as projects. Yeah, yeah, right, 334 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 5: And you know, obviously those terms have connotations in whatever 335 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 5: country and oftentimes are used, uh, derogatorily, let's just say, 336 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 5: but I think it's similar, you know, similar vibe. 337 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 6: It sounds like something that could be easily racially charged, 338 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,000 Speaker 6: used to buy someone in a negative way. 339 00:20:04,440 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 4: Okay, So I wanted to do this while we're all 340 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 4: here together, folks. Just looked it up on my browser 341 00:20:12,320 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 4: choice and apparently the term chov is not an acronym 342 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:21,600 Speaker 4: for anything. So maybe it's like the old factoid meaning 343 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:26,240 Speaker 4: something sounds true that isn't that's always bandied about with 344 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 4: with the word right fornication under consent of the king. 345 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 4: So that's not true. I've never heard that one. That's amazing. 346 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 4: That doesn't seem to get applied to other things too, 347 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 4: you know. 348 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 5: I'm like, I'm hard pressed to think of another one, 349 00:20:37,760 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 5: But I know I've run into things where like, that's 350 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:42,160 Speaker 5: definitely an acronym, and people just say it like it's true, 351 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 5: and then it's just easy to believe because usually it's 352 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,360 Speaker 5: sort of a silly sounding word too, like a kind 353 00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:49,360 Speaker 5: of a made up sounding word. Mm hmm. 354 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, And I just thought that was interesting. As everybody knows, 355 00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 4: we have all wanted to visit the Land of Oz 356 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:00,400 Speaker 4: for quite some time we want to go to Australia, 357 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:05,320 Speaker 4: and we're just very fortunate to be able to learn 358 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:08,439 Speaker 4: from people who actually live in the area. But let 359 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 4: us know if you have ever heard the idea of 360 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 4: this this word, this term as an acronym, and let 361 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 4: us know the etymology from your perspective. So we appreciate 362 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 4: your help. And also clearly, we are not fans of 363 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:33,240 Speaker 4: weaponizing language in a derogatory way toward any demographic living 364 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 4: here in the South. We don't see redneck as a 365 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 4: derogatory term, you know what I mean. And we have 366 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:43,159 Speaker 4: to understand that to lib Quality was right when he 367 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,920 Speaker 4: said I learned words have power. Now I'm careful how 368 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:49,520 Speaker 4: I use them. But also tell us your favorite weird acronyms. 369 00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 3: Moving on, this is a void. 370 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 4: Okay, I'm going fast because what I get through a 371 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 4: few of these. But we had we had a fascinating 372 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:04,600 Speaker 4: conversation about the concept of smoking wet a little while back, 373 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 4: right and I listened to it and I thought we 374 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:14,560 Speaker 4: were just incredibly wholesome and clearly we are not actively 375 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:21,680 Speaker 4: smoking wet. But the unique position of drugs and illicit 376 00:22:21,720 --> 00:22:26,080 Speaker 4: substances in the US and abroad, it's a continuing subject 377 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 4: of conspiracy theory and real life conspiracies. So thankfully we 378 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 4: had an anonymous source reach out to us. We asked 379 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,600 Speaker 4: for your help and you came through. 380 00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:39,000 Speaker 5: Folks. 381 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,520 Speaker 3: Here's what we got. 382 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 4: No, we're protecting this person's identity, of course, fellow conspiracy realist, 383 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 4: longtime listener, first time caller. I was listening to your 384 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: most recent episode about aspartame and you all went off 385 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 4: on a shorter side about PCP slash, formaldehyde slash and 386 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,800 Speaker 4: balming fluid, etc. I'm reaching out to you about that. 387 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 4: I am not an absolute expert. However, since the age 388 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 4: of ah, I know all about drugs teen certain myths 389 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,439 Speaker 4: about drugs have always irked me, even myths about the 390 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:16,719 Speaker 4: hard or stuff, and in my early forties, I sometimes 391 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 4: find myself being irked when I hear these myths still 392 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 4: floating around. 393 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 5: Ha ha ha ha. 394 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 4: So I'm going to put on my know it all 395 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 4: hat here for a minute. Though I might be wrong, 396 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 4: I'll never admit to it. And hear this anonymous person goes. 397 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 4: The idea of literally smoking from aldehyde or embalming fluid 398 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 4: is a conflation of those two things, being two of 399 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:44,359 Speaker 4: the many street names for PCP, and these two street 400 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 4: names for PCP have been around since the nineteen seventies. Well, Anonymous, 401 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 4: you said just seventies, but I assume nineteen seventies. Who 402 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 4: knows so, Anonymous says, though I am not a chemist, 403 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:00,800 Speaker 4: I believe the conflation comes due to formaldehyde being used 404 00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:05,080 Speaker 4: in the processing of PCP and clandestine labs. I don't 405 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,360 Speaker 4: know if it's a precursor or if it's used in 406 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:13,720 Speaker 4: post production somehow, but further conflation likely comes from formaldehyde 407 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 4: being used in embalming fluid. Not that it is impossible 408 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:22,879 Speaker 4: that someone somewhere in the history of mankind has tried 409 00:24:22,920 --> 00:24:26,359 Speaker 4: to literally smoke something dipped in embalming fluid and or 410 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 4: formaldehyde without PCP being involved. Maybe the motive in doing 411 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 4: so was these hypothetical people couldn't obtain PCP or they 412 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,480 Speaker 4: were scared to try actual PCP. But in either case 413 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 4: they somehow had access to either formaldehyde or embalming fluid 414 00:24:43,840 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 4: and were willing to try that. Then, in this hypothetical situation, 415 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 4: I think the results of smoking either alone but not 416 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:57,320 Speaker 4: actual PCP would likely be becoming rather sick or worse, 417 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:02,200 Speaker 4: respiratory failure death, et cetera, instead of getting high. So 418 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:05,560 Speaker 4: that's the PSA. Kids for aldehyde and embalming fluid are 419 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 4: just street names for PCP. If you are obtaining cigarettes 420 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:14,200 Speaker 4: or joints purportedly dipped in either and smoking them, you're 421 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:23,000 Speaker 4: likely smoking PCP and not literal for maldehyde and ends 422 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,360 Speaker 4: with it ends with a little more of a PSA. 423 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 4: The important part we want to say here is. 424 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:30,240 Speaker 3: Don't do it drugs. 425 00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:36,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, don't try to smoke formaldehyde, and also don't try 426 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 4: actual PCP for that matter. Thank you anonymous. What do 427 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 4: you guys think? I feel like that's a good thing 428 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 4: to get out in the world. 429 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 6: I had an image of someone who's aware that they're 430 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:52,200 Speaker 6: near their death. Right, they're on their deathbed and they're 431 00:25:52,200 --> 00:25:54,719 Speaker 6: near it, and they're like, ah, gotta start loading up 432 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:59,199 Speaker 6: on formaldehyde, pre load, you know, pregame this thing and 433 00:25:59,359 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 6: just smoking. 434 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,200 Speaker 2: Sorry, that's so horrible. 435 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 5: I think I mentioned when we were talking about this 436 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:07,119 Speaker 5: before that I was made aware of this by an 437 00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,199 Speaker 5: episode of the fantastic HBO series Six Feet Under. You 438 00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 5: know about a family that that runs ah more more 439 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,800 Speaker 5: mortuary virtuary. Yeah, and there is an episode where this 440 00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:23,119 Speaker 5: kind of like crappy boyfriend of one of the characters 441 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 5: is found to have been stealing from aldehyde and they 442 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 5: find out because like his friend who like smoked this 443 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,119 Speaker 5: joint that he had been selling these joints, like dipped 444 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 5: in it, like had a freak out meltdown, like But 445 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 5: it's funny because the simple you know, what we do 446 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,919 Speaker 5: know about the effects of PCP, he was acting like 447 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 5: he was on PCP. But definitely the plot is that 448 00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 5: it was embalming fluid. So that's that's the show, you know, 449 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 5: playing into that kind of myth as well, and possibly 450 00:26:58,440 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 5: a reason that it's still around. And I think we 451 00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 5: both looked it up and even at the time and 452 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 5: it was sort of interchangeably referred to as embalming fluid 453 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 5: or PCP or both. Very very interesting, these kinds of terms, 454 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 5: you know, like in just the lore that gets wrapped 455 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,320 Speaker 5: up in like drug culture, you know, and like. 456 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 4: Sure, we've also we've done we've done our duty here, 457 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 4: Please don't smoke PCP. There are other things you can 458 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 4: do with your time, and there are more interesting pursuits. 459 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:37,560 Speaker 2: Making a joke about our next listener. 460 00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,680 Speaker 4: That well, that there are interesting things you can do 461 00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 4: with your time. I love that Mat also, with that 462 00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 4: being said, if you have a crazy drug story, first, 463 00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 4: we hope you are healthy, we hope you have survived, 464 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,000 Speaker 4: and we cannot wait to hear it the last so 465 00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 4: send it in on A three three sdd w y 466 00:27:57,720 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 4: t K Conspiracy iHeart radio dot Com. We're going to 467 00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,120 Speaker 4: end this part with one last one. We've been getting 468 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:07,840 Speaker 4: some great billionaire pranks. A while back, we asked you 469 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:13,119 Speaker 4: what you would do if you just had one point 470 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 4: eight billion dollars of goodbye money? 471 00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:16,880 Speaker 3: How would you. 472 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,640 Speaker 4: How would you practice discord in the world right, I'm 473 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 4: referencing Discordianism and the Illuminatous Trilogy. So how would you 474 00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:28,920 Speaker 4: do it? Well, we got we got to agree with. 475 00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:32,640 Speaker 4: I'm not even gonna h share our fellow listener's name 476 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,800 Speaker 4: here because they have a couple of cool pitches and this, 477 00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,200 Speaker 4: hopefully will just give us a laugh in these dark times. 478 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 4: Our our anonymous soon to be billionaire, says billionaire pranks, 479 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,120 Speaker 4: I would change my name to something crazy mister pooh 480 00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 4: pooh pp hands. 481 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 5: Or I think there's a boat named that in the UK. Wait, no, 482 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 5: that was that was cool? Uh? 483 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:02,560 Speaker 4: And then says okay, maybe not mister hands or government 484 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:08,080 Speaker 4: cheese or questionable milk, et cetera. And then I would 485 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 4: go and fund a bunch of public works and put 486 00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 4: my name on everything. I can see it now, questionable milk, 487 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:21,960 Speaker 4: palliative care, government, cheese, public library, the mister Hands Equestrian 488 00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 4: and Emergency Care. 489 00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 5: Oh that's fun. 490 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,560 Speaker 3: That's a brilliant idea right, a great way. 491 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 5: It is very boating mcboat face and spirit. Where like, 492 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 5: they shouldn't have opened that up to the public because 493 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 5: people gonna brank and the stupidest name is going to 494 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:37,440 Speaker 5: rise to the top. And now you got that on 495 00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 5: your ship. 496 00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,920 Speaker 3: This is smart. I like it. 497 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 4: I mean, I just I love the idea of going 498 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 4: to one of the world's most prestigious universities and funding 499 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 4: the construction of a new library or there's a new 500 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:56,600 Speaker 4: wing somewhere in the Ivory Tower, and everybody has to 501 00:29:56,640 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 4: call it like the slippy mcdurpins, you know, Memorial Planetarium. 502 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 6: I'd go with secret first name, last name Illuminati, so 503 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 6: it would be like the Secret Illuminati Equestrian and Emergency 504 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:14,560 Speaker 6: Care Center. 505 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 3: That's great. 506 00:30:15,640 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 4: I could we love these weird daves. So thank you 507 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:22,880 Speaker 4: for the billionaire pranks, folks. Thank you as always for 508 00:30:22,920 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: the clarifications and explanations. They are immensely helpful. We can't 509 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,760 Speaker 4: wait to hear more. We love it mentioned this earlier. 510 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,120 Speaker 4: We love it every time somebody writes in with a 511 00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:38,240 Speaker 4: cool nickname. Bonus points for a pun or a weird moniker, 512 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 4: So keep them coming. We're going to pause for a 513 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 4: word from our sponsors, and then we're going to be 514 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,000 Speaker 4: back with some more messages from you. 515 00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 6: Okay, guys, we're back to the phone lines. We got 516 00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 6: a message here from night Shift, and I guess I'll 517 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,000 Speaker 6: just set it up this way. It's kind of a 518 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:07,680 Speaker 6: heroing story, Nisha. I'll let night Shift introduce, like why 519 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:11,080 Speaker 6: this person's writing to us about this topic. But as 520 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 6: soon as we're done, like as soon as we're finished, 521 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 6: I just want to hear y'all's thoughts on the story, 522 00:31:15,480 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 6: because it's a story that we're being told. 523 00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 7: Here we go, Hey, guys, you can call me night Shift. 524 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 7: So I grew up in a Christian church and I 525 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,480 Speaker 7: went to a Christian school. Since then, I've gone pretty 526 00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 7: far in the other direction. I don't really say that 527 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 7: I believe in God. I'm not sure. I can't. It's 528 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:36,960 Speaker 7: hard to say. I guess I'm agnostic, don't know, but 529 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:39,920 Speaker 7: here's an experience that I had. I was just listening 530 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:43,760 Speaker 7: to the Divine Visitation portion of the listener Mail segment, 531 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,040 Speaker 7: and I had an experience. Just out of high school, 532 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:52,120 Speaker 7: me and three other friends going to get into the car. 533 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:56,360 Speaker 7: We all called shotgun, I want it, but my buddy 534 00:31:56,680 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 7: insisted that. He says in passenger seat deal. I sit 535 00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:05,680 Speaker 7: in the backseat. We were driving ridiculously fast on the highway. 536 00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 7: I got this weird sensation and I heard somebody in 537 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 7: my head tell me to buckle my seat belt, so 538 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:20,520 Speaker 7: I did. Somebody cuts us off and we crash. I 539 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:24,600 Speaker 7: put on my seatbelt thirty seconds before we crashed while 540 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,440 Speaker 7: we were rolling. This was a hatchback and the rear 541 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 7: window actually ended above my head, so while we were rolling, 542 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 7: the ground was where my head would touch. It felt 543 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 7: like there was a giant hand cupping the back of 544 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,720 Speaker 7: my head. I walked out of there with no bruises, 545 00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:47,600 Speaker 7: no nothing. The friend, unfortunately, that was in the passenger seat. 546 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:50,479 Speaker 7: He went out the window when we're rolling, the far 547 00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:52,680 Speaker 7: landed on top of him. Horrible story. 548 00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:53,640 Speaker 5: He did not make it. 549 00:32:54,560 --> 00:33:01,600 Speaker 7: Terrible situation, but I completely heard the voice and felt 550 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,280 Speaker 7: the hand on the back of my head. I just 551 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:06,560 Speaker 7: wanted to share this with you guys once a getting 552 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,800 Speaker 7: this night shift. I've been listening to you guys since beginning. 553 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,080 Speaker 7: I love it all right, I have a good one. 554 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:20,200 Speaker 6: Wow, pretty intense. Yeah, like Churchill, thank you night shift man. 555 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:24,360 Speaker 6: I mean, okay, so I talked to night shift. Don't 556 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 6: give you guys some more details here, but just first 557 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:32,680 Speaker 6: of all, after hearing that the inner voice or exterior 558 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:36,080 Speaker 6: voice that tells you you should put your seat belt 559 00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:39,080 Speaker 6: on when you're traveling down the road at you know, 560 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,360 Speaker 6: upwards of one hundred miles per hour, that's the first 561 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,880 Speaker 6: thing I want to analyze because to me, that's almost 562 00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 6: your not to put anything, you know, not to lighten 563 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,440 Speaker 6: what you felt or what you think you experienced their 564 00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 6: night shift. But for me, that would be my internal 565 00:33:56,520 --> 00:34:00,360 Speaker 6: voice whatever that you know, subconscious thing is that's you know, 566 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 6: yells at me sometimes like dude, don't do that. It 567 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,640 Speaker 6: would be saying, put on your seatbelt, dude. So like 568 00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 6: for me, I don't know, what do you guys think? 569 00:34:11,480 --> 00:34:16,319 Speaker 6: For me, that wouldn't require any kind of exterior influence, you. 570 00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:20,400 Speaker 4: Know, honestly, So this is fascinating we do know that 571 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:28,400 Speaker 4: throughout human history some luminaries, brilliant, brilliant people have experienced 572 00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:34,880 Speaker 4: what modern science often typifies as auditory hallucinations, right, and 573 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 4: hearing voices. And I want to shout out again one 574 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:45,520 Speaker 4: of our a really good episode when that's close to 575 00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,560 Speaker 4: my heart, with our with what Passes from my Heart, 576 00:34:48,640 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 4: with Joe McCormick, the bicameral mind, right, the idea that 577 00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:59,239 Speaker 4: in the past people may not have had internal monologues. 578 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,120 Speaker 4: And indeed, it's interesting that even now there are people 579 00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 4: who have entered studies and they don't have an internal monologue. 580 00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 4: So maybe when the thought occurs, this feels like a 581 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 4: message from the exterior. But also, you know, you can't 582 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:23,640 Speaker 4: devalue an experience like this because regardless of how somebody 583 00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,759 Speaker 4: wants to attempt to explain it, it saved your life, dude. Yeah, 584 00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 4: I think that's amazing. 585 00:35:29,520 --> 00:35:32,600 Speaker 6: But what also saved his life was not hitting his 586 00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:37,160 Speaker 6: head as that tiny it's a tiny little Mazda MX three, 587 00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,400 Speaker 6: like nineteen ninety five. Okay, if you look those up 588 00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 6: or if you know what those are, it's a tiny 589 00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:45,439 Speaker 6: little carts. It looks like a little mini sports car, 590 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 6: and that hatchback window that night Shift is referring to 591 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,080 Speaker 6: really does, if you're sitting in the back seat, comes 592 00:35:52,160 --> 00:35:52,919 Speaker 6: right over your head. 593 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,120 Speaker 3: It's a crazy slope. 594 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 6: Yeah, their vehicle was traveling upwards of one hundred and 595 00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,320 Speaker 6: forty miles per hour one hundred and forty seven. 596 00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,480 Speaker 2: Miles per hour when they crashed. This is after I 597 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:05,320 Speaker 2: talked to night Shift. 598 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 6: That vehicle rolled on the highway traveling at that speed 599 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:11,320 Speaker 6: eight times. 600 00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:14,279 Speaker 2: And he's a you. 601 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 6: Know, he's not a super tall guy, like an overly 602 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 6: tall person, but his head theoretically, even if he's strapped 603 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,600 Speaker 6: into his seat belt, would have been slamming into the 604 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:27,919 Speaker 6: ground as it's rolling over and night Shift that I'll 605 00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 6: give you the words from the phone call we had together. 606 00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,680 Speaker 6: It felt exactly like a hand, like a warm hand, 607 00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:34,680 Speaker 6: wrapping around. 608 00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 2: The top of my head. That was like shielding him 609 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:38,520 Speaker 2: while that was occurring. 610 00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 4: Question Matt did in question for you as well, night Shift, 611 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 4: if you want to reach back out and give us 612 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:48,600 Speaker 4: some more information here did night Shift, did you guys 613 00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 4: talk about whether or not this person had any additional 614 00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:55,400 Speaker 4: similar experiences either before or after the crash. 615 00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 6: No additional experiences like that, however, night Shift and his 616 00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:08,360 Speaker 6: significant other are very interested in watching TV shows about 617 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:12,920 Speaker 6: feeling spirits, ghosts, entities, that kind of thing like the 618 00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:18,799 Speaker 6: specifically focused on the touch sensation when it comes to 619 00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 6: other worldly encounters like that. 620 00:37:21,640 --> 00:37:24,239 Speaker 4: Also shout out Gavin de Becker The Gift of Fear. 621 00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,399 Speaker 4: Can't recommend that book enough, you know what I mean? 622 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,239 Speaker 4: Sometimes those hunches can save your life. 623 00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,880 Speaker 2: Right certainly. 624 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 6: I don't know, man, just a very strange version of this, 625 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:41,880 Speaker 6: and Night Shift Guys invites us to around where his 626 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 6: neck of the woods is. There's a thing out there 627 00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:47,560 Speaker 6: called the America America's Stonehenge that I believe we've talked 628 00:37:47,560 --> 00:37:49,840 Speaker 6: about and mentioned on the show before. 629 00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:50,839 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's go. 630 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:52,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty cool. 631 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,359 Speaker 3: We're crashing at your house, man. 632 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,320 Speaker 5: Yeah yeah. Then I tell you, guys that I got 633 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:04,200 Speaker 5: cut from William Shattan is unexplained talking about the Georgia Kidstones. 634 00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 2: Oh No, I. 635 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,959 Speaker 5: Think they pivoted the whole episode because there just wasn't 636 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:09,920 Speaker 5: enough about it, you know. I think they thought it 637 00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:11,799 Speaker 5: was gonna be enough to fill a whole episode. But 638 00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 5: the episode that came out in the new season is 639 00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,080 Speaker 5: just about like national monuments. So I kind of have 640 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,320 Speaker 5: a feeling that they just changed direction entirely, but they 641 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,440 Speaker 5: gave me my per diem. 642 00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:22,719 Speaker 3: It was just fun. 643 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:25,360 Speaker 5: I was like, yeah, I want to see oh man. 644 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,280 Speaker 2: Oh darned. I'm sorry man. That would have been exciting. 645 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 3: It wouldn't have been that's Willie's loss. 646 00:38:32,320 --> 00:38:36,200 Speaker 6: We could have had a whole conversation about his side business, 647 00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,400 Speaker 6: or at least association to a side business about the 648 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,920 Speaker 6: DNA sending crystals to the moon and all that. 649 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:43,719 Speaker 2: Have you seen that? 650 00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:45,520 Speaker 6: Did we talk about that on the air? 651 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:46,719 Speaker 5: No? 652 00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:47,160 Speaker 2: Okay? 653 00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:51,600 Speaker 6: Apparently apparently talking about William Shatner. Yeah, William shatter Apparently 654 00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 6: he's like partnered in some way for the promotion or 655 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,640 Speaker 6: partnered with the company itself. Something about crystals. I can't 656 00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:03,440 Speaker 6: remember the name of it, but you they form crystals 657 00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,640 Speaker 6: and in some way infuse your DNA and they were 658 00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 6: going to send it to the moon and it only 659 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 6: costs one hundred and fifty thousand dollars to do it. 660 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:18,840 Speaker 4: Sign me what, Yeah, let's use all our podcast riches. 661 00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,440 Speaker 4: That's the new billionaire preak. He probably heard our episode. 662 00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:23,879 Speaker 4: It was like DNA to the Moon. 663 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 3: It sounds like a. 664 00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 5: More high tech version of what Hunter S. Thompson did, 665 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,880 Speaker 5: where he had his ashes like fired out of a cannon. 666 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 5: You know that was a lot cheaper I think, but 667 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 5: still not cheap. Johnny Depp paid for it apparently, but 668 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:36,880 Speaker 5: it did it did happen? 669 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:42,040 Speaker 4: Also, Hunter A Stomp's an amazing writer. I just got 670 00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:46,520 Speaker 4: to say, Gonzo journalism is beautiful, but maybe not the 671 00:39:46,520 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 4: best person. 672 00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,359 Speaker 5: You know when you seem to like him to see 673 00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 5: your heroes up after him. 674 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 3: The program is called Immortalize Me. 675 00:39:57,040 --> 00:40:01,399 Speaker 6: Well, no, it's called my It's called space Wait, maybe 676 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 6: it is called immortalize Me. 677 00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:04,799 Speaker 5: Space Crystals is way better though. 678 00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 3: Come on, can we all agree? 679 00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,560 Speaker 4: So Space Crystals is cool. It's like space law, you 680 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,000 Speaker 4: know what I mean? Space Force. 681 00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:12,560 Speaker 6: The one I found has will It's a If you 682 00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 6: go to my spacecrystals dot com you can see William 683 00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 6: Shatner and it has a quote it says, I'm gonna 684 00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,080 Speaker 6: put your DNA on the moon. It's crazy. You will 685 00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,839 Speaker 6: put your DNA in the capsule. That capsule will go 686 00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,520 Speaker 6: to the moon and stay there alongside Neil Armstrong's footsteps. 687 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 6: Here we have the possibility of a type of immortality. 688 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,760 Speaker 4: Hey, I'm not gonna have anybody hate hate on Captain 689 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,560 Speaker 4: Kirk On my on my watch. You know, hate not him, 690 00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,560 Speaker 4: Star Trek and Geane rod Berry. 691 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:41,120 Speaker 3: I know you're not. 692 00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:41,520 Speaker 5: You're not. 693 00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,080 Speaker 4: And just to clarify for everyone, Matt is correct. The 694 00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,120 Speaker 4: name of the company is Space Crystals LLC. I think 695 00:40:47,120 --> 00:40:50,200 Speaker 4: they're out of Texas and their program under that company 696 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,120 Speaker 4: is immortalized me. 697 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 5: Can we point out thoether that url is MySpace crystals 698 00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 5: dot com. 699 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 4: Oh, well done, Yeah, that's great. 700 00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 3: I love it. 701 00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,359 Speaker 6: All right, thanks so much night Shift for sending us 702 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:07,400 Speaker 6: that message. We're gonna jump to one more message from 703 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,399 Speaker 6: a familiar voice, a familiar person in our email, someone 704 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,840 Speaker 6: who writes to us constantly. Mister Brocknest Monster. 705 00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,759 Speaker 8: Here we go, Hey, guys, the brock Nest Monster. I 706 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:25,560 Speaker 8: was listening to the UFOs and Aliens in Congress episode earlier. 707 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:30,080 Speaker 8: The situation where they were at the sighting where a 708 00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 8: couple jets blew past a spear that had a square 709 00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,360 Speaker 8: inside of it, a box side of it. That just 710 00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:43,759 Speaker 8: sounds a lot like a radar reflector. I think it is. 711 00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,880 Speaker 6: Okay, We're gonna pause right here in between the message. Guys, 712 00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,279 Speaker 6: I had no idea what a radar reflector is. I 713 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,240 Speaker 6: don't know how this didn't hit my radar in forty years, 714 00:41:55,560 --> 00:41:58,160 Speaker 6: but it never did. Do you guys know what a 715 00:41:58,239 --> 00:41:59,200 Speaker 6: radar reflector is? 716 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 4: We talked about this a little bit off air. I 717 00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 4: didn't but I made some guesses. I haven't looked up. 718 00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 4: I'm very interested to see whether these are correct. What 719 00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:08,279 Speaker 4: about you, Neil? 720 00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,600 Speaker 5: No, yeah, I didn't know, and I said I didn't 721 00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:13,360 Speaker 5: want to know because I like to be surprised. 722 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:17,400 Speaker 6: All right, well surprised. This is from Westmarine dot Com. 723 00:42:17,640 --> 00:42:19,560 Speaker 6: I'm going to read directly from it. It says what 724 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:24,800 Speaker 6: radar reflectors do. Radar reflectors more accurately called radar target 725 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:30,400 Speaker 6: enhancers or RTEs, reflect radar energy from other vessels radars, 726 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,040 Speaker 6: so that your boat, if you've got one of these on, 727 00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,440 Speaker 6: it shows up as a larger and more consistent target. 728 00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:41,120 Speaker 4: Yes, all right, cool, I feel so validated. Okay, so 729 00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:43,640 Speaker 4: it's a safety thing, right, yeah, radar reflector. 730 00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:44,000 Speaker 3: Okay. 731 00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:48,160 Speaker 6: Imagine you're on a small vessel and you're operating out 732 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 6: on the ocean where there are much larger vessels that 733 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,399 Speaker 6: are just they're just barreling through and there's not much 734 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,600 Speaker 6: they can do to change their trajectory unless they get 735 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,440 Speaker 6: you know, early warning if you've got one of these 736 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:02,839 Speaker 6: on your boat, they're going to see you, or you're 737 00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,319 Speaker 6: at least ensuring there's a larger probability that they're going 738 00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 6: to see you and not hit you, hopefully. 739 00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,560 Speaker 4: So Electronically, it's like a mobile lighthouse. 740 00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,000 Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, Yeah, it's a lot like a mobile lighthouse. 741 00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,200 Speaker 6: But there are lots of uses for this technology. It's 742 00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,040 Speaker 6: not just for ships and small boats and that kind 743 00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:25,520 Speaker 6: of thing. The whole point is that it puts off 744 00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:29,239 Speaker 6: a large radar signature, and depending on the size that 745 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:32,359 Speaker 6: you build them, you can make it a huge radar signature. Right, 746 00:43:32,400 --> 00:43:34,440 Speaker 6: You could do all kinds of stuff with it, and 747 00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 6: you can maybe imagine, guys in your head, there are 748 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:42,839 Speaker 6: other military applications for a device like this, Right, let's 749 00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 6: think about that, and let's jump back in and finish 750 00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:46,279 Speaker 6: brocks message here. 751 00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,799 Speaker 8: I'm imagining a situation where the two deaths flew past 752 00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,920 Speaker 8: a radar reflector. That would be a really good explanation 753 00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:57,040 Speaker 8: for that, because I can't think of any other reason 754 00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,240 Speaker 8: why you would need a box sphere, because that's ridiculous. 755 00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:05,560 Speaker 8: But I'm not like an alien space ship designers to 756 00:44:05,640 --> 00:44:09,680 Speaker 8: what do I know, Yeah, just looking for the simplest 757 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 8: explanation for some of this weird stuff that's happening and 758 00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:18,800 Speaker 8: sounds like a radar reflector. There you go, problem solved 759 00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 8: or whatever. 760 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:27,319 Speaker 3: Later close energy, I rock. 761 00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 4: I love it, man, Because we talk about this a 762 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,960 Speaker 4: lot when we're just hanging out or off air, the 763 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:41,360 Speaker 4: simpler explanations will often have a higher likelihood of being true. 764 00:44:41,640 --> 00:44:45,360 Speaker 6: Right that we just talked about that we were discussing progosion. 765 00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 2: Y'all. 766 00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:50,399 Speaker 6: I just put something in the chat. Please do look 767 00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 6: at that if you have a second, because when we're 768 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,000 Speaker 6: talking about what these radar reflectors look like, often you 769 00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:00,759 Speaker 6: will see varying shapes. Some of that look like pyramids, 770 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,960 Speaker 6: some that look like almost sphere in a way, but 771 00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 6: others look like a box or almost a star shape 772 00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 6: inside an inflatable clear sphere or rounded shape. 773 00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,480 Speaker 4: And they're inflatable too, which is fascinating. 774 00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,000 Speaker 6: Not all of them are inflatable, some of them are 775 00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:28,959 Speaker 6: for various uses. Right, Yeah, So there, I mean there's 776 00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 6: a possibility here that broadness is onto something. I don't 777 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 6: know if it's the most simple thing, because you'd think, 778 00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,480 Speaker 6: you know, somebody like Ryan Graves who had these had 779 00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,080 Speaker 6: a sighting of one of these, and other pilots you 780 00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:46,840 Speaker 6: know that were just like him visibly seeing these things, 781 00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:49,480 Speaker 6: you'd think they would know what a radar reflector was. 782 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,840 Speaker 2: My question is. 783 00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,080 Speaker 5: Do you fly these like balloons? 784 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,759 Speaker 6: Kind of Now here's there's the big question. Okay, I 785 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,879 Speaker 6: don't think you fly these balloons. I've never seen any 786 00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,319 Speaker 6: evidence of them being flown like balloons. I've seen them 787 00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,000 Speaker 6: attached to the ends of a large inflatable balloon because 788 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:15,680 Speaker 6: there's metal in there inside the reflector itself. They're electronic components. 789 00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,800 Speaker 6: Sometimes it looks like maybe not always, but it would 790 00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,560 Speaker 6: require some serious lift to get it off the ground, 791 00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:24,040 Speaker 6: especially to have it, you know, hovering in the air 792 00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,000 Speaker 6: thousands of feet above sea level where those pilots were operating. 793 00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 4: Yes, I mean there's another immediate question. Like first off, 794 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 4: obviously this will remind a lot of us played along 795 00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:41,080 Speaker 4: at home about the Chinese balloons. They're totally nuts by balloons. 796 00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:45,480 Speaker 4: That One of the immediate questions I think a lot 797 00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,319 Speaker 4: of us will have on our minds here is what 798 00:46:48,760 --> 00:46:55,960 Speaker 4: is the efficacy of size? Like what Graves reported is 799 00:46:56,040 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 4: pretty big, so would there be would there be an 800 00:47:00,640 --> 00:47:07,640 Speaker 4: advantage to having a very large inflatable radar reflector. I 801 00:47:07,760 --> 00:47:10,440 Speaker 4: just I don't know enough about the science this. 802 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,760 Speaker 6: Ryan Graves's story was that it was the entry point 803 00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:19,400 Speaker 6: to the operating area, right, which maybe it was an 804 00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:22,760 Speaker 6: attempt to mark the entry point to the operating area 805 00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:26,560 Speaker 6: with a small device that would be easily pinged by radar. 806 00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 4: Right, yeah, okay, yeah, yeah yeah. 807 00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,400 Speaker 5: I brought this up last time we talked about something 808 00:47:34,520 --> 00:47:37,960 Speaker 5: like this, and I do it every time. I saw 809 00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:40,360 Speaker 5: a thing and it looked like one of these, but 810 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,600 Speaker 5: it would have had to be really big, and it 811 00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:44,680 Speaker 5: was in a part of the country where the land 812 00:47:44,719 --> 00:47:47,080 Speaker 5: is really flat, so your line of sight on the 813 00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:51,040 Speaker 5: horizon or whatever is probably a little distorted. But I saw, 814 00:47:51,160 --> 00:47:53,120 Speaker 5: like in the distance a thing that looked a whole 815 00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,759 Speaker 5: lot like one of these. But I would have to 816 00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:57,480 Speaker 5: have been at a massive scale to be able to 817 00:47:57,480 --> 00:48:00,560 Speaker 5: see it from that far away. I think that's what 818 00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,520 Speaker 5: you're getting up been like, you know, these are you know, 819 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:07,080 Speaker 5: I'm seeing them hoisted up onto a ship's sail and 820 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,799 Speaker 5: they're not tiny, but they're not small, but they're not 821 00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:11,880 Speaker 5: like massive. You wouldn't be able to see one of 822 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 5: these from one hundred from miles away or from even 823 00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:19,720 Speaker 5: you know, hundreds and hundreds of meters away. 824 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 6: Yeah, you wouldn't be able to see the types of 825 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,640 Speaker 6: radar reflectors that you can curb you purchase online. 826 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:29,440 Speaker 5: Right, But then, to Ben's point, is there any increased 827 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,120 Speaker 5: efficacy to having large ones? And I think the answer 828 00:48:32,160 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 5: is we don't know. We certainly don't see them for sale, 829 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,440 Speaker 5: which seems I don't see any reason why if they 830 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,240 Speaker 5: were helpful, they wouldn't exist for sale. 831 00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:42,160 Speaker 3: True. 832 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:46,359 Speaker 4: You know, also there are different shapes, right, Yes, they're 833 00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:52,440 Speaker 4: not all orbs. I'm just seeing some appear to be tubes, Yes, cylindrical. 834 00:48:52,320 --> 00:48:57,600 Speaker 5: There are all kinds of different shapes, diamond in fact, 835 00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 5: I mean, right, I mean it's weird. 836 00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:00,879 Speaker 2: It's look, this is weird. 837 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:01,160 Speaker 5: Guys. 838 00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,120 Speaker 6: We got to get out of INTERTYCA. But I shared 839 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,280 Speaker 6: a link to the drive dot com. There's an article 840 00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,560 Speaker 6: here from oh gosh, I think it was last year, 841 00:49:10,680 --> 00:49:14,799 Speaker 6: last year, December twenty twenty two. It's who knows, But 842 00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:19,040 Speaker 6: it's a story about China using these and military drills 843 00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,799 Speaker 6: for specific purposes. But it's not to call attention to 844 00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:28,880 Speaker 6: a vessel or a strategical location. It's to confuse enemy 845 00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:34,200 Speaker 6: radar about what is at a certain location, strategic targets 846 00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,879 Speaker 6: at a location, So you can put these up and 847 00:49:38,120 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 6: if you're looking at it on radar from like a 848 00:49:40,440 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 6: forty thousand foot view right overview of a battlefield or something, 849 00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:46,799 Speaker 6: it's going to look like there's other stuff going on 850 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,360 Speaker 6: in that area, and it's not, you know, maybe other buildings, 851 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,440 Speaker 6: even depending on the configuration that you're putting out there, 852 00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:57,640 Speaker 6: or in the case of Russia's military, there are other 853 00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:04,839 Speaker 6: reports in here about making a fa bridge using radar reflectors, 854 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,520 Speaker 6: like strategically placed so it looks as though there's actually 855 00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:09,600 Speaker 6: a structure that's built there. 856 00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:11,759 Speaker 2: I don't know. 857 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,160 Speaker 6: It feels like militaries could make use of these in 858 00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,360 Speaker 6: intriguing and innovative ways. 859 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:19,600 Speaker 2: I just don't know all those ways. 860 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:20,800 Speaker 5: It makes sense. 861 00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:26,080 Speaker 4: Bleed out the enemy's resources, right, they want to blow 862 00:50:26,160 --> 00:50:28,720 Speaker 4: up bridges, so bad give them some pretend bridges. 863 00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:29,560 Speaker 2: Yeah. 864 00:50:29,640 --> 00:50:33,400 Speaker 6: Yeah, And these are fairly cheap to make pieces of metal. 865 00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:37,960 Speaker 6: That's what a radar reflector is, at least the most 866 00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:41,759 Speaker 6: unsophisticated kind. So who knows. I do not think I 867 00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:43,719 Speaker 6: have to say this brock. I do not think that 868 00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,759 Speaker 6: thing that Ryan Graves and those pilot saw is this 869 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:50,799 Speaker 6: specific thing, because I don't I personally don't think it 870 00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,080 Speaker 6: would be floating like that unless it was tethered to 871 00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,160 Speaker 6: a balloon that was much higher in the sky than 872 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,000 Speaker 6: Ryan Graves and those guys could see, right, Because it could. 873 00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:01,680 Speaker 2: Be like one of those minds. 874 00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:05,320 Speaker 6: Remember we talked about one of the episode, the minds 875 00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:09,080 Speaker 6: that were attached to a weather balloon and it was 876 00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,000 Speaker 6: designed to have a pilot fly through the tether and. 877 00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,000 Speaker 3: Then get caught. 878 00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,080 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it could be something like that, But 879 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:18,799 Speaker 6: why in the heck would the military have one of 880 00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:21,600 Speaker 6: those in an operating area for military drills. 881 00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:24,239 Speaker 4: This is why we need to get our pilot licenses, 882 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:27,880 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. I'm so serious. Noel and 883 00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,839 Speaker 4: I were talking about this off here. What was it 884 00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,440 Speaker 4: was yesterday I got I got called on the spot 885 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,480 Speaker 4: about giving a timeline to this. 886 00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:37,880 Speaker 3: So let's just say it publicly. 887 00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,600 Speaker 4: I don't want us to be in a situation where 888 00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,680 Speaker 4: we need to get into the sky and we don't 889 00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:44,479 Speaker 4: know None of us knows how to fly a plan. 890 00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,560 Speaker 4: Helicopters are going to be too complicated for me. That's 891 00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 4: on someone else. But by August next year, I just 892 00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:54,040 Speaker 4: want to put it out there. I'm gonna lovefully have 893 00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,360 Speaker 4: a pilot license. Yeah, well I'm also going to be 894 00:51:56,360 --> 00:51:58,840 Speaker 4: broke from trying to get a pilot license. 895 00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,560 Speaker 2: So well, good luck to you, sir. 896 00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 4: Indeed, if you guys buy, if you guys pay for lunch, then. 897 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,320 Speaker 3: May we can we can get a play. 898 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,000 Speaker 5: But yeah, it is. 899 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,799 Speaker 4: It is fascinating radar reflectors. I had no idea that 900 00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:14,800 Speaker 4: was the thing me neither look. 901 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:15,759 Speaker 2: Up pictures of them. 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