1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Crime Alert hourly update, breaking crime news Now. 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:07,080 Speaker 2: I'm Drew Nilson In Indiana, The Delphi murder trial enters 3 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,280 Speaker 2: its thirteenth day, with Richard Allen's defense seam working to 4 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: create doubts about the state's case. Allen, charged with the 5 00:00:13,680 --> 00:00:17,120 Speaker 2: twenty seventeen murders of teenagers Abby Williams and Libby Jerman, 6 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: faces four counts of murder. Testimony today focuses on Allan's 7 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 2: mental state while in prison, as well as his treatment 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 2: and behavior in solitary confinement. The defense called several witnesses 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: to support claims that Allan's confinement worsened his mental health, 10 00:00:31,440 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 2: challenging the reliability of his confessions made while in prison. 11 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 2: Friday's testimony began with Heim and police officer Christopher Gutti, 12 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 2: who had worked on the Delphi case for about two weeks, 13 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:45,159 Speaker 2: recounting an interview he conducted with Brad Weber, a property 14 00:00:45,159 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: owner near the crime scene. Weber had driven a van 15 00:00:48,040 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 2: near the mon On High Bridge on the day of 16 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: the murders, but Guti could not remember if Weber had 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: told him exactly where he went after work that day. 18 00:00:55,360 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: This interaction as part of the defense's strategy to question 19 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: the timelines of the events around the crime. Then the 20 00:01:01,400 --> 00:01:04,760 Speaker 2: defense brought out doctor Deanna Dwanger, the Director of Behavioral 21 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:07,600 Speaker 2: Health for the Indiana Department of Correction who has overseen 22 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 2: the mental health policies and services at IDoc since twenty 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 2: twenty one. She did not directly treat Richard Allen, but 24 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: she provided a view into Allan's experience at Westville Correctional Facility, 25 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 2: where he had been held in solitary confinement for over 26 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 2: a year. Doctor Dwinger explained the toll this level of 27 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:27,800 Speaker 2: isolation can have on mental health, saying quote, solitary confinement 28 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 2: is not good for the mind. According to her, IDoc 29 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 2: policy advises that someone with a serious mental illness should 30 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: not be held in solitary for more than thirty days, 31 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 2: but Alan's confinement lasted thirteen months. Doctor Dwanger testified that 32 00:01:40,720 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 2: Allan's mental health issues worsened in the spring of twenty 33 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: twenty three, when his prison team diagnosed him with serious 34 00:01:46,319 --> 00:01:50,559 Speaker 2: mental illness and classified him as gravely disabled. He showed 35 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,560 Speaker 2: troubling behavior, including flushing a bible down the toilet and 36 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: eating his own waist. There is video of some of 37 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 2: this behavior from the round the clock surveillance of his cell. 38 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 2: The mental illness diagnosis came around the same time that 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 2: Allan confessed to his family over the phone, saying he 40 00:02:04,840 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: had killed the two girls. Allan's confession coincided with an 41 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 2: unusual behavioral spiral, which included self harm and erratic actions that, 42 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 2: according to the defense, are common signs of severe mental stress. 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 2: When questioned about why Alan had been placed in solitary confinement, 44 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,359 Speaker 2: doctor Dwinger said she did not make that decision and 45 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 2: was unaware who did, but she admitted feeling concern over 46 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 2: the surveillance camera always fixed on Alan. She had recommended 47 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 2: it be removed, but the camera remained in place, adding 48 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 2: to what she described as a quote non therapeutic environment 49 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 2: for someone with severe mental health needs. Quote someone left 50 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,200 Speaker 2: alone too long like that can go down hill. 51 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 3: I'm nicole part. 52 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:46,960 Speaker 4: A suspect has been apprehended in connection with the unusual 53 00:02:47,080 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 4: death of a camera in Montana. This initially believed to 54 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 4: be the result of a bear attack. On Wednesday, the 55 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:58,079 Speaker 4: Gallatin County Sheriff's Office announced that they have identified a 56 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: suspect related to the death of thirty five year. 57 00:03:01,720 --> 00:03:02,880 Speaker 3: Old Dustin Jerseman. 58 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:07,480 Speaker 4: Jerseyman, a father from Belgrade, was discovered with severe injuries 59 00:03:07,480 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 4: to his body and head in the Montana Wilderness near 60 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 4: Big Sky. 61 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 3: This on October twelve. 62 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,600 Speaker 4: He had gone missing two days prior and his body 63 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 4: found by someone who initially thought he had been mauled 64 00:03:20,240 --> 00:03:24,160 Speaker 4: by a bear. However, a representative from the Montana Department 65 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 4: of Fish, Wildlife and Parks later determined that there was 66 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,920 Speaker 4: no evidence of a bear in the vicinity, prompting the 67 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 4: Sheriff's office to launch a homicide investigation. 68 00:03:34,520 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 3: The suspect, whose. 69 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 4: Identity has not been disclosed, reportedly led authorities to evidence 70 00:03:41,160 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 4: pertinent to the case and is currently in custody on 71 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 4: separate charges while cooperating with the investigation. This according to 72 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:53,480 Speaker 4: Sheriff Dan Springer, the investigation into this homicide is ongoing. 73 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: He said, we believe the suspect acted alone and there 74 00:03:56,920 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 4: is no longer a danger to the public. Details and 75 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 4: potential charges will be announced soon. Springer praised the detectives 76 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: for their relentless pursuit of justice, acknowledging that their hard 77 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 4: work and identifying the assailant had paid off when his 78 00:04:14,000 --> 00:04:17,640 Speaker 4: remains were initially discovered. Springer described the incident as a 79 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:22,640 Speaker 4: vicious attack, emphasizing that Jersman was murdered in a heinous way. 80 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 4: Before his death, Jersman was driving a black twenty thirteen 81 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 4: Ford f one point fifty with a black topper and 82 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 4: silver aluminum ladder. He had gone out with a friend 83 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 4: for a weekend of camping. His sister, Jillian Price, spoke 84 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 4: to NBC about how the family loved their brother. 85 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 5: This weekend, we lost our brother, our son, our uncle, 86 00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:49,520 Speaker 5: our best friends, and our dad in the most unimaginable way. 87 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 5: Dustin was a great kid. He was born here in Bozeman, 88 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,440 Speaker 5: and he worked all over the valley. He could have 89 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 5: framed your house. He could have court your foundation, you 90 00:04:57,480 --> 00:05:03,159 Speaker 5: could have installed your countertops. Hardworking, skilled tradesman. There is 91 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,799 Speaker 5: someone in our valley that is capable of truly heinous things. 92 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 3: Police say. 93 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,440 Speaker 4: The suspect is being held without bond and further information 94 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:12,560 Speaker 4: will be released. 95 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: I'm Jennifer Gould. 96 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: A disturbing case involving a children's therapist in New York. 97 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:25,279 Speaker 1: Instead of helping kids, she allegedly violated them sexually. Renee Hoberman, 98 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: a licensed social worker from Long Island, has been arrested 99 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,920 Speaker 1: and charged with creating and distributing child pornography. She was 100 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:37,480 Speaker 1: arrested after agents with Homeland Security rated her plain View home. 101 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: This neighbor, Nick Randisi, spoke to ABC seven. 102 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:44,679 Speaker 3: News, I haven't seen her since she was a little, 103 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 3: tiny kid, and all of a sudden, she's grown up 104 00:05:46,920 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 3: and she's moved out, and she's a monster. 105 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:52,680 Speaker 1: According to federal prosecutors, the thirty six year old used 106 00:05:52,720 --> 00:05:57,600 Speaker 1: social media platforms to share explicit videos of infants and 107 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 1: young children engaging. 108 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 3: In sea sexual acts. 109 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 1: She also allegedly posed as a man online and engaged 110 00:06:06,200 --> 00:06:11,360 Speaker 1: in disturbing conversations with other users about child sexual abuse. 111 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,240 Speaker 1: In some instances, she even claimed to have produced child 112 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: porn herself, sharing explicit videos of children she had abused. 113 00:06:20,760 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: The videos, which were shared between June and October of 114 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,280 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four, depict horrific acts of sexual abuse, including 115 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: infants as young as six months old being raped and tortured. 116 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: According to federal prosecutors, Oberman provided youth counseling services to 117 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: children at Southoaks Hospital in Amityville from twenty sixteen to 118 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:46,840 Speaker 1: twenty twenty one. She also worked at elementary schools and 119 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:51,480 Speaker 1: mental health clinics. Before becoming a licensed social worker. According 120 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:55,520 Speaker 1: to her LifeStance biography page, Hoberman was arrested in charged 121 00:06:55,560 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: with distribution of child pornography. If convicted, she faces a 122 00:06:59,160 --> 00:07:02,320 Speaker 1: minimum sentence of five years in prison. Poperman is being 123 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: held without bond. For the latest crime and justice news, 124 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 1: follow the Crime Alert hourly update on your favorite podcast 125 00:07:08,440 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 1: app with this crime Alert. 126 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:10,960 Speaker 3: I'm Jennifer Gould.