WEBVTT - Body Cams (Bonus) | 12.09.22 0:00:01.440 --> 0:00:05.040 Hey listeners, Jessica here. Be sure to check out new 0:00:05.080 --> 0:00:09.680 episodes of Undetermined every Tuesday for free wherever you get 0:00:09.680 --> 0:00:13.520 your podcasts. For early and ad free listening, check out 0:00:13.560 --> 0:00:20.400 Tenderfoot plus on Apple Podcasts. The views and opinions expressed 0:00:20.400 --> 0:00:24.360 in this podcast are solely those of the individuals interviewed 0:00:24.640 --> 0:00:27.960 and participating in the show, and do not represent those 0:00:28.000 --> 0:00:33.080 of tenderfoot TV and resonate recordings. All individuals described or 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:36.880 mentioned in the podcast should be considered innocent until found 0:00:36.880 --> 0:00:41.000 guilty in a court of law. This podcast contains subject 0:00:41.040 --> 0:00:44.920 matter such as violence and graphic descriptions which may not 0:00:45.000 --> 0:01:13.080 be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Hey guys, 0:01:13.240 --> 0:01:17.039 this is Jessica. In this bonus episode, Todd and I 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:19.520 wanted to take a minute to share our thoughts around 0:01:19.520 --> 0:01:22.400 the New Orleans police body cam footage we played in 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:25.680 the first couple of episodes. This footage is from the 0:01:25.800 --> 0:01:28.240 units who went to Jessica and Justin's home the day 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:32.120 she went missing. The first recording was from that wellness 0:01:32.200 --> 0:01:36.319 check spurred by Maria's call to police to report Jessica missing, 0:01:36.840 --> 0:01:38.920 and the second was from a unit that arrived on 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.560 scene to officially fill out a missing person's report about 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:46.600 two hours later. The footage is recorded within hours of 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:50.080 the last time anyone ever saw Jessica. So it's incredibly 0:01:50.120 --> 0:01:54.720 important to help us understand more about this case. Because 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:58.080 my background is in investigative reporting and Todd's is in 0:01:58.160 --> 0:02:01.280 law enforcement, we have different lenses through which we look 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.600 at case materials like this, and part of our on 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.639 the ground investigation has included nightly debriefs where we talk 0:02:08.680 --> 0:02:12.720 about case material together. Todd is a former detective, so 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:17.040 his insight is invaluable in helping me understand what really 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:20.920 happened that night. His perspective has been so helpful to 0:02:20.960 --> 0:02:23.360 me personally that I thought I would share with you 0:02:23.680 --> 0:02:26.560 one of our late night recording sessions as we sat 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.760 inside our New Orleans hotel in the Fringe Quarter watching 0:02:29.760 --> 0:02:34.800 those bodycam videos together. Now keep in mind we probably 0:02:34.880 --> 0:02:37.600 sat there glued to a laptop for about five or 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:41.200 six hours, but we condensed that down for you so 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.720 you can get a clearer idea of how the sequence 0:02:43.760 --> 0:02:46.640 of events that night could have had an impact on 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:51.000 the rest of the investigation into Jessica's case. Let's start 0:02:51.040 --> 0:02:52.520 with that first wellness check. 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:02.160 Okay, So this is Jessica in Todd Jean bodycam footage 0:03:02.280 --> 0:03:06.880 from August fifteenth, twenty nineteen. This will be the lead 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:08.760 officer in the wellness. 0:03:08.400 --> 0:03:24.240 Check three six one seven. Sorry I came out the back. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.680 Oh did you live here? Yeah? Six year? We're told 0:03:29.520 --> 0:03:33.000 is your one ill here? Sorry? Someone sick here? No, 0:03:33.000 --> 0:03:39.320 nobody's sick here, sick. He don't buy you. 0:03:39.560 --> 0:03:41.360 No, no, no, he's. 0:03:44.120 --> 0:03:46.280 We got a call though. Yeah, I know. It's one 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:47.280 of my wife's friends. 0:03:47.440 --> 0:03:49.080 And let me let me just say hi. 0:03:49.240 --> 0:03:50.480 So he's not walking at you guys. 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:56.400 You guys have okay, look, sure you call no, no, 0:03:57.240 --> 0:03:59.440 because she's what missy. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:03.760 No, I mean not buddy, it's a college of. 0:04:04.480 --> 0:04:08.920 Was really excited? Sure your wife? Yeah, because she's. 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:15.080 Her car cars here while it's here longing. 0:04:13.880 --> 0:04:16.279 Like twelve thirty twelve fifteen thirty. 0:04:16.360 --> 0:04:20.680 I fell asleep, So I don't really yes, sir, And 0:04:20.800 --> 0:04:21.680 I mean I know sr B. 0:04:21.839 --> 0:04:23.119 That's why I didn't call you, guys. 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:26.599 I call I called jpso think you she might have 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:30.480 a tech traffic attachment. I call it OPP seven, the 0:04:30.640 --> 0:04:32.600 same thing I called East Jefferson. 0:04:33.440 --> 0:04:36.280 She's depressed, bipolar, but she's on meds and stuff and. 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.640 It's okay, so so far. 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:45.919 The cop that's talking to him has no information about 0:04:45.920 --> 0:04:48.719 what this one, this check is even about. Now we 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:53.880 know for a fact that the call was made from Maria, right, 0:04:54.200 --> 0:04:59.159 and Maria reported what they had talked about before the 0:04:59.200 --> 0:05:01.719 things were going back. There was a plan she was 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:03.000 going to meet her this day. 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:04.960 She couldn't get a hold of her. She was worried 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:05.800 about her. 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:09.920 And that I think her husband might have done something 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:13.080 to her. That was the information given for the welfare check. 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:15.880 Now they're sending an officer out with none of that information. 0:05:16.560 --> 0:05:19.840 He first he look for an elderly person living alone, 0:05:20.360 --> 0:05:23.720 and then it's someone sick here, like. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.560 Right, I mean, so we're getting off of the wrong 0:05:27.560 --> 0:05:30.920 foot because armed with the information that really was given 0:05:31.240 --> 0:05:34.479 during the report to cause the wellness check, you already 0:05:34.560 --> 0:05:38.479 know this call is elevated, right, Like this could be 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:39.520 a big deal. 0:05:39.600 --> 0:05:43.520 Because he's giving the information new to this officer that 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:45.960 seems to have no idea why he's there. 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:50.039 Yes, and you can tell like probably the officer's not 0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:53.360 paying attention to things he should be because he's still 0:05:53.400 --> 0:05:55.720 trying to catch up on why he's even there, Like 0:05:55.800 --> 0:05:59.120 so far, the officer has way too many distractions going 0:05:59.160 --> 0:06:00.000 on for right now. 0:06:00.279 --> 0:06:02.040 Absolutely deal with this dog. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.240 He has to deal with catching up to the story 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.440 because no one at dispatch gave him the full information 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:09.760 that came in on the initial call to cause us 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:12.679 wellness check. There's just a lot of problems to get started. 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:17.320 So yeah, she said she left before like this is 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:18.239 the length of time. 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:20.599 Never, never, And that's what's got to be concerned. And 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.520 you know, I called who called you? 0:06:23.600 --> 0:06:23.880 Guys? 0:06:24.120 --> 0:06:28.000 I called a friend of hers who overreacts to everything, 0:06:28.080 --> 0:06:30.360 and I told her, Okay. 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:33.360 Yeah, I mean well, because first you said you're freaking out, 0:06:33.720 --> 0:06:37.360 then you're saying you're concerned, and then you say her 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.400 friend must have called you. She overacts to everything. Well, 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:41.000 which is it? 0:06:41.279 --> 0:06:41.599 Right? 0:06:41.760 --> 0:06:43.719 Did she ever react? Are you concerned? 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:44.160 Yeah? 0:06:44.200 --> 0:06:46.839 Because if you're freaking out, as you said, and that's 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:50.159 a quote, why is it overreacting for her to freak out? 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:50.679 Right? 0:06:52.440 --> 0:06:55.040 But I mean since twelve thirty day she just apparently 0:06:55.080 --> 0:06:57.760 warned it off and we're just now getting the call. 0:06:57.800 --> 0:06:59.520 I mean, well, know what happened was said, I woke 0:06:59.600 --> 0:07:02.120 up about oh, I came home from school. I woke 0:07:02.200 --> 0:07:05.599 up around okay, piece was made, A piece was okay, 0:07:05.839 --> 0:07:08.640 and she's gone right. And the course here, the keys 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:12.040 are here versus here, you know, and she doesn't go 0:07:12.160 --> 0:07:12.680 wandering off. 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:13.440 She's not from here. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:16.200 She's lived here seven years, six six years. 0:07:16.720 --> 0:07:18.800 So you know, I was kind of giving it in, 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:22.280 you know, another hour or two before I called you guys, because. 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.920 If she warned her back, I mean, she's never done 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:28.240 that before. No, no, no. 0:07:27.280 --> 0:07:32.760 No, okay, Now I'm bothered. Ask him a question. Stop 0:07:32.800 --> 0:07:35.760 and let it breathe let them, let them finish their 0:07:35.840 --> 0:07:38.280 thought so you can get the full information in the 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.440 full story. And he's not doing that here, and it's 0:07:41.480 --> 0:07:42.400 driving me crazy. 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:44.960 And what information he is getting, he's not using to 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:48.040 his advantage because he thought he was coming there first 0:07:48.080 --> 0:07:50.800 for an elderly man that lives by himself that's having 0:07:50.840 --> 0:07:53.720 some issue. And then oh no, wait minute, it was 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:56.840 someone was ill. Maybe that was the same man. But 0:07:57.000 --> 0:08:00.600 now he discovers through this man that he counters that 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:03.920 lives there, that his wife has been missing since four 0:08:03.960 --> 0:08:08.680 o'clock this afternoon and it's after ten pm now, since twelve. Well, 0:08:08.680 --> 0:08:10.520 he said he fell asleep and woke up at four 0:08:10.560 --> 0:08:12.760 and she was gone right, so at least four to 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.760 then and then he he says, I know who called 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.240 you too. It was her friend who lives in Alabama, 0:08:20.640 --> 0:08:24.440 and she always overreacts, So now you're already armed with 0:08:24.520 --> 0:08:27.600 enough information to go. Wait a minute, partner, we had 0:08:27.600 --> 0:08:29.920 the wrong information on this. Will you get all the 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:32.760 information from the call from this friend that called in 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.600 and see what she reported exactly, because then you're gonna 0:08:36.640 --> 0:08:39.360 find out she says, I think the husband did something 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:41.880 to her. And now this might change the way you're 0:08:41.880 --> 0:08:44.200 approaching this, you know what I mean, because he's not 0:08:44.360 --> 0:08:47.600 acting appropriately for a call of this nature. 0:08:48.160 --> 0:08:50.760 The officer isn't you've done well in his test? 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:51.120 Sure? 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:57.200 And are do you normally go to the residents armed 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:58.480 with more information than this? 0:08:58.720 --> 0:08:58.880 Oh? 0:08:58.960 --> 0:09:02.040 Yeah, yeah, usually you're given I mean, this is a 0:09:02.040 --> 0:09:05.360 problem with the communication from the dispatch obviously, which now 0:09:05.400 --> 0:09:08.960 they receive it a lot of times over their terminal 0:09:09.000 --> 0:09:11.320 and their car the computer and it just pops up 0:09:11.360 --> 0:09:14.800 with whatever the dispatcher types in. So either the dispatcher 0:09:14.920 --> 0:09:18.120 typed in there was another wellness check somewhere else and 0:09:18.160 --> 0:09:20.360 got the too confused and typed in the wrong information, 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:25.520 or he didn't pay any attention to what was typed 0:09:25.559 --> 0:09:27.319 in there. I mean one of the two. He has 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:31.000 a totally wrong information. And we know Maria called it 0:09:31.000 --> 0:09:33.800 in and we know what she said, and we know 0:09:34.160 --> 0:09:36.840 that she didn't say there's an elderly man that lives 0:09:36.840 --> 0:09:40.840 here by himself. It's not feeling well. So now I 0:09:40.880 --> 0:09:42.720 got to stop for a second. Ago, wait a minute. 0:09:42.720 --> 0:09:45.360 The guy that lives here, whose wife has been missing 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.160 for you know, at least six hours at this point, 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:51.079 her best friend called. 0:09:51.120 --> 0:09:51.600 He didn't. 0:09:51.679 --> 0:09:54.320 And when the best friend called in, she said she 0:09:54.400 --> 0:09:56.080 was supposed to pick her up today because they were 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.880 having domestic issues and she was scared, and now she 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:00.360 can't get a hold of her, and she's afraid her 0:10:00.400 --> 0:10:03.040 husband has done something to her that changes everything, and 0:10:03.080 --> 0:10:03.959 he's not doing it. 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:05.200 He didn't do that. 0:10:05.240 --> 0:10:07.400 This was the perfect time, once you got that information, 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:10.600 to regroup a second and see why you're there. 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:13.199 And that's that's my concern. 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.800 And you know, we've we've been a little different. She's 0:10:16.840 --> 0:10:19.160 been Lucy stressed out for a couple of reasons because, 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:22.760 like a fifteen year old is inside, and she got 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.600 overwhelmed right before going to high school for the first time, and. 0:10:26.760 --> 0:10:29.520 Well, you you you checked all some good places that 0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.360 you need to check, hospitals in jail. I would never 0:10:32.400 --> 0:10:36.360 put anything like jail, you know, but at this point 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.000 I think of the most group were required. 0:10:38.040 --> 0:10:40.200 Of course, they told me twenty four hours. 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.480 Now, well, I believe the circumstances done in twenty four hours. 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:46.920 It's coming to play. She just she disappeared. I mean, right, 0:10:47.160 --> 0:10:49.000 you could have done this for four dollars ago. I 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:52.480 mean it's it's spriscious and un due to her, her 0:10:52.480 --> 0:10:54.520 her medication and all that other stuff. 0:10:54.520 --> 0:10:56.439 I would think she's been she's making. 0:10:56.760 --> 0:11:00.319 As alarmed as an officer. Just it's a way that 0:11:00.400 --> 0:11:02.080 he was about how suspicious. 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:02.480 This is. 0:11:02.960 --> 0:11:06.400 The next move right now is okay, let's put the 0:11:06.440 --> 0:11:08.600 dog up somewhere and let's go inside and talk. 0:11:09.360 --> 0:11:12.120 Right now, Let's see what he does, because. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.160 We're gonna, like I said, we come out. We're gonna 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:16.240 have a different unit come out a little bit on 0:11:17.000 --> 0:11:20.080 an out, and let's see if she pops up. 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:26.280 So in this check, all they did was ask why 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:26.880 are we here? 0:11:26.960 --> 0:11:27.640 Why are we here? 0:11:27.800 --> 0:11:28.560 And that was it. 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:32.160 And now they're like, okay, wait a minute, this this 0:11:32.280 --> 0:11:34.640 is really a missing person's report. We need to send 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.560 a different unit to come take that report. And now, listen, 0:11:37.920 --> 0:11:41.440 here's what they have going for them. They had the 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.160 element of surprise. He didn't know the police were coming 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:49.400 to his house until they knocked under the door. And 0:11:50.120 --> 0:11:54.680 they're there to do a wellness check, which they're not doing. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:57.920 This is the problem I have with some mindsets of 0:11:57.960 --> 0:12:02.480 some uniform officers, and it tends to be ones that 0:12:02.559 --> 0:12:06.600 have been on too long, okay longer than they should have. 0:12:07.160 --> 0:12:11.000 They think that they show up and all they are 0:12:11.080 --> 0:12:14.760 are filling the blank. Officers, I was sitting here for something. 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:16.840 I'm gonna have to kick out some kind of incident report. 0:12:17.080 --> 0:12:19.320 Let me come get enough information to fill out the 0:12:19.320 --> 0:12:21.439 blanks and send it in there saying show I did 0:12:21.480 --> 0:12:23.640 my job. That's not it. I think here, you're in 0:12:23.760 --> 0:12:26.719 uniform that you don't have to investigate. 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:27.200 You do. 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.599 Every police officer is an investigator. This is an investigation. 0:12:30.720 --> 0:12:34.920 Every call for service is an investigation. You show up 0:12:35.240 --> 0:12:39.840 and investigate. You determine what's going on at that house. 0:12:40.559 --> 0:12:43.720 Someone called and said, my friend might be hurt. 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:44.760 She's missing. 0:12:44.800 --> 0:12:48.719 I'm afraid the husband did something to her. Figure out 0:12:49.120 --> 0:12:52.960 if that is the case or not. Or if she's okay, 0:12:53.280 --> 0:12:56.040 that's your job. It's not to say, oh wait a minute, 0:12:56.280 --> 0:12:58.720 I'm a wellness check officer. I'm not a take a 0:12:58.760 --> 0:13:03.079 missing person's report officer. So let me wipe my hands clean, 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.320 get back in my car. You have a new officer 0:13:05.320 --> 0:13:06.600 in another couple hours, you know. 0:13:06.679 --> 0:13:06.960 I don't. 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.280 I don't know how this patrol situation is structured. Do 0:13:10.679 --> 0:13:14.720 they only have wellness check officers and that's their only duty? 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:16.280 They just go around town? Don't? 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:17.480 Yeah, white wellness check? 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:19.640 Could they not have done the missing person's report? 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:20.800 I don't get that at all. 0:13:21.160 --> 0:13:23.080 Why did they just send another unit out? 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:24.120 I have no idea. 0:13:24.160 --> 0:13:26.040 I don't know if it's because of their assignment whatever, 0:13:26.080 --> 0:13:29.080 But if so, you can see the damage that stuff causes. 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:35.760 This is the most damaging thing that well, I'm gonna say, 0:13:35.760 --> 0:13:37.480 I'm quite certain this is going to end up being 0:13:37.520 --> 0:13:38.960 the most damaging thing that. 0:13:38.880 --> 0:13:41.040 Occurs in the first twenty four hours of this case. 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:43.960 From your perspective. How important are the first twenty four 0:13:44.000 --> 0:13:46.199 and forty eight hours in something like care Ama. 0:13:46.120 --> 0:13:48.600 I mean, the stats speak for themselves, right, you know this? 0:13:48.640 --> 0:13:49.800 How many cases do you cover? 0:13:49.960 --> 0:13:50.080 Right? 0:13:50.120 --> 0:13:52.120 I mean, if you don't solve in the first forty 0:13:52.160 --> 0:13:57.320 eight your odds of solving that crime diminish greatly. So, yeah, 0:13:57.440 --> 0:14:01.120 it's this whole thing is a train wreck. What you 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.439 know is that this was the last place she was seen. 0:14:04.840 --> 0:14:09.640 So the investigation begins here. They're leaving this scene right 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:13.720 now without doing anything, literally anything. 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:23.080 As Todd and I D briefed about the response from 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:27.040 the first responding officer, we highlighted the fact that this 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:30.920 initial unit didn't seem to have the full picture about 0:14:30.920 --> 0:14:33.560 the information that was given to the NPD by Maria. 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.960 While we do not have the audio from that original call, 0:14:37.480 --> 0:14:40.320 we do have Maria's account to us about what she 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:43.920 said on that call, which will be verified by a 0:14:43.960 --> 0:14:49.920 second independent source, which is that second officer who arrives. Okay, now, 0:14:50.000 --> 0:14:52.680 let's keep everything you just heard in mind as we 0:14:52.720 --> 0:14:55.440 move into the second call to the house, where as 0:14:55.560 --> 0:14:58.440 promised by the first unit, the officer showed up to 0:14:58.440 --> 0:15:01.280 take a missing person's report a couple of hours later. 0:15:04.960 --> 0:15:09.040 Okay, that's gonna be just going Todd. We're watching and 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:15.840 critiquing officer like Krisha Gantner's bodycam labeled just after midnight. 0:15:19.520 --> 0:15:21.160 I'm gonna give you a twenty one month. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:23.360 Good. 0:15:24.040 --> 0:15:26.120 Okay, she just said she's going to make a phone 0:15:26.120 --> 0:15:28.560 call in whoever it is, last name one, so we 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:30.000 know that is Detective. 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:31.360 One Anthony one. 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:37.880 Earlier tonight, around ten something, a friend from out of 0:15:37.920 --> 0:15:39.960 town called and said that she hadn't been able to 0:15:40.000 --> 0:15:43.960 get a hold of her friend since Monday. I think 0:15:44.600 --> 0:15:47.120 she's not answering her phone and all that. So an 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:49.240 officer came out here, I think a leap few officers 0:15:49.240 --> 0:15:51.560 came out did a wellness check. Well, when they did 0:15:51.560 --> 0:15:54.160 a wellness check, the husband says, no, I haven't heard 0:15:54.240 --> 0:15:57.560 from her either. Her phone's here, her purse is here, 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:02.080 her meds or here, everything's here, but I haven't heard 0:16:02.080 --> 0:16:09.040 from her, and I don't know where she's at. And 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:11.760 the friend that called from out of town said that 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.320 she's afraid that the husband did something to her because 0:16:14.960 --> 0:16:19.600 they have a history of I guess, domestic issues. 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:25.160 So she's already coming in with the knowledge of what 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.720 the first officers responding to the wellness check should have 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:29.920 had in their pocket. 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.320 Yes, she's taken the time to review the call card 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:38.160 and get the incoming information. The information the dispatcher took 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.240 over the phone. 0:16:39.040 --> 0:16:46.320 And she's already preparing a detective that she is there, 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:50.600 and this is what's going on before she even approaches justin. 0:16:50.720 --> 0:16:53.680 Yes, I mean that's that's exactly what you should do. 0:16:56.080 --> 0:16:59.720 The husband's like, yeah, everything's here, she left everything here. 0:17:00.640 --> 0:17:03.000 I know we have contact contacting her. No, we have 0:17:03.040 --> 0:17:06.120 none where she is because I guess she left everything 0:17:06.280 --> 0:17:08.920 like phone, keys, that, sir. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.440 Is her car here? Yeah? 0:17:11.480 --> 0:17:15.040 Her car is here too, her purse, her wallet. When 0:17:15.119 --> 0:17:16.159 is the last time you saw. 0:17:16.040 --> 0:17:17.360 Her, sir? 0:17:16.800 --> 0:17:19.360 Twelve thirty? 0:17:19.720 --> 0:17:22.400 I'm sorry, like like noon, correct, around thirty. 0:17:22.960 --> 0:17:26.040 You saw her in You saw her in person, right, yeah, 0:17:26.080 --> 0:17:30.439 he saw her in person. She was here at the house. 0:17:30.800 --> 0:17:31.280 Nothing else. 0:17:31.720 --> 0:17:34.320 She no, no, no, that's not what I said. 0:17:34.480 --> 0:17:34.879 I said that. 0:17:35.480 --> 0:17:38.640 So we got like these dual conversations going on because 0:17:38.640 --> 0:17:42.840 you can tell he's talking to Officer Griffin outside and 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:46.920 she is talking to Detective Lawn and somehow Detective lun 0:17:47.040 --> 0:17:50.439 Is misconstrued something she said and she's like no, no, no, no, no, 0:17:50.640 --> 0:17:54.640 that's not what I said, right, And I'm curious at 0:17:54.680 --> 0:18:00.600 some point would it be her duty or detective ones 0:18:00.720 --> 0:18:03.159 at a later point in time, or even like you 0:18:03.160 --> 0:18:07.480 said earlier, a detective one coming out at this point 0:18:07.640 --> 0:18:10.720 to say, hey, is your daughter or your daughter or 0:18:10.720 --> 0:18:12.760 your father home? Can we talk to him see, you know, 0:18:12.880 --> 0:18:15.960 to make sure that they didn't see something that they 0:18:15.960 --> 0:18:17.000 hadn't told you yet, or. 0:18:17.119 --> 0:18:20.280 Absolutely, yeah, that needs to be done. That should be 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:23.359 done here at some point. Especially armed with the information 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:26.520 that the daughter is fifteen years old, she's gonna be 0:18:26.560 --> 0:18:29.359 able to offer good information if she saw something or 0:18:29.400 --> 0:18:31.840 even if she didn't, that's important because that can help 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:33.359 narrow down time windows. 0:18:34.240 --> 0:18:37.439 No, he's really not it, does it Like he's just 0:18:37.520 --> 0:18:41.520 rolled nonchalant, like, oh, you know, I have the officers 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:46.080 come to the polk straight side. My dad and my 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.040 daughter are sleeping. I don't want to wake them up. 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.080 But then when we get here, he's like, do you 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:51.760 guys need to do this in the car or do 0:18:51.800 --> 0:18:53.240 you want to come in? You can come look through 0:18:53.240 --> 0:18:55.480 the house if you want. You know, he's just being 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:59.280 like really weird about it. I've tried to call the 0:18:59.359 --> 0:19:01.959 friend from out of state to see if she can 0:19:02.800 --> 0:19:04.600 to see if she'll talk to me, but it's just 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.040 bringing and going to voicemail. 0:19:06.119 --> 0:19:07.240 She's probably asleep. 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:11.960 She's using her observations in her common sense and her 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:16.200 experience as a police officer to detect that, but then 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:20.040 more importantly, to report it, to document it. She's passing 0:19:20.080 --> 0:19:23.200 it on to the detective, which we didn't see during 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:28.400 the wellness check. It was recognized and acknowledged and then 0:19:28.560 --> 0:19:30.080 quickly dismissed and forgotten about. 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:32.240 And then she went one step further and tried to 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:33.159 reach out to Maria. 0:19:33.720 --> 0:19:37.880 Correct, she's investigating. She's not a detective at this point. 0:19:37.880 --> 0:19:41.040 She's a field training officer. She's a patrol officer, and 0:19:41.280 --> 0:19:44.280 she is conducting an investigation. And that's what we discussed 0:19:44.280 --> 0:19:46.520 earlier with the other one. Just because you're in uniform 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:49.360 doesn't mean you're not an investigator yourself. 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:53.920 Oh, do you have a picture of her, like a 0:19:54.000 --> 0:19:54.600 current picture? 0:19:55.440 --> 0:20:00.159 Okay? Can you get that in your idea please? Mad 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:02.640 I have everything? Yeah, that's fine. Else, do you mind 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.760 if we walk in with you? Okay? I have my 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:07.919 Belgians in there, so okay. 0:20:07.960 --> 0:20:11.119 So what prompted you to say, okay, I need to 0:20:11.480 --> 0:20:12.280 report her missing? 0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:14.840 Like around eight o'clock it was starting to get dark. 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:15.680 Okay? 0:20:15.880 --> 0:20:17.320 What else did you wake up for me? Now? 0:20:17.400 --> 0:20:19.479 From here about four o'clock. 0:20:19.520 --> 0:20:23.240 She got home at three Okay, so we according to 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:27.720 his statement, he went and took a nap sometime around noon, 0:20:27.840 --> 0:20:32.440 between noon and twelve thirty that afternoon, and he says 0:20:32.560 --> 0:20:35.600 he wakes up at four. His daughter gets home from 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:36.720 school at three. 0:20:37.160 --> 0:20:42.280 So there's an hour where potentially Grace and Jessica spent 0:20:42.520 --> 0:20:48.479 an hour alone together. Correct, Therefore Grace has potentially pertinent 0:20:48.440 --> 0:20:52.320 information about Jessica or her whereabouts exactly. 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:54.600 So just based on that statement right there, that's what 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:56.400 the officers armed with right now. 0:20:57.080 --> 0:20:59.120 And you you did talk to your daughter and ask 0:20:59.160 --> 0:21:02.399 your daughter if she for her or actually seen her. 0:21:02.440 --> 0:21:05.119 Or you want me to get her. 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.480 I will, No, I don't don't have to. 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:07.919 Wake her up. 0:21:07.960 --> 0:21:09.000 It's two ATOD morning. 0:21:09.040 --> 0:21:10.119 She has to go to school tomorrow. 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:15.280