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Speaker 1: be suitable for all audiences. Listener discretion is advised. Hey guys,

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Speaker 1: this is Jessica. In this bonus episode, Todd and I

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Speaker 1: wanted to take a minute to share our thoughts around

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Speaker 1: the New Orleans police body cam footage we played in

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Speaker 1: the first couple of episodes. This footage is from the

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Speaker 1: units who went to Jessica and Justin's home the day

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Speaker 1: she went missing. The first recording was from that wellness

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Speaker 1: check spurred by Maria's call to police to report Jessica missing,

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Speaker 1: and the second was from a unit that arrived on

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Speaker 1: scene to officially fill out a missing person's report about

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Speaker 1: two hours later. The footage is recorded within hours of

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Speaker 1: the last time anyone ever saw Jessica. So it's incredibly

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Speaker 1: important to help us understand more about this case. Because

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Speaker 1: my background is in investigative reporting and Todd's is in

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Speaker 1: law enforcement, we have different lenses through which we look

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Speaker 1: at case materials like this, and part of our on

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Speaker 1: the ground investigation has included nightly debriefs where we talk

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Speaker 1: about case material together. Todd is a former detective, so

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Speaker 1: his insight is invaluable in helping me understand what really

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Speaker 1: happened that night. His perspective has been so helpful to

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Speaker 1: me personally that I thought I would share with you

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Speaker 1: one of our late night recording sessions as we sat

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Speaker 1: inside our New Orleans hotel in the Fringe Quarter watching

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Speaker 1: those bodycam videos together. Now keep in mind we probably

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Speaker 1: sat there glued to a laptop for about five or

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Speaker 1: six hours, but we condensed that down for you so

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Speaker 1: you can get a clearer idea of how the sequence

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Speaker 1: of events that night could have had an impact on

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Speaker 1: the rest of the investigation into Jessica's case. Let's start

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Speaker 1: with that first wellness check.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So this is Jessica in Todd Jean bodycam footage

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Speaker 2: from August fifteenth, twenty nineteen. This will be the lead

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Speaker 3: Check three six one seven. Sorry I came out the back.

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Speaker 3: Oh did you live here? Yeah? Six year? We're told

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Speaker 3: is your one ill here? Sorry? Someone sick here? No,

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Speaker 3: nobody's sick here, sick. He don't buy you.

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Speaker 4: No, no, no, he's.

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Speaker 3: We got a call though. Yeah, I know. It's one

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Speaker 4: And let me let me just say hi.

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Speaker 3: So he's not walking at you guys.

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Speaker 5: You guys have okay, look, sure you call no, no,

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Speaker 5: because she's what missy.

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Speaker 4: No, I mean not buddy, it's a college of.

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Speaker 3: Was really excited? Sure your wife? Yeah, because she's.

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Speaker 5: Her car cars here while it's here longing.

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Speaker 4: Like twelve thirty twelve fifteen thirty.

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Speaker 6: I fell asleep, So I don't really yes, sir, And

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Speaker 6: I mean I know sr B.

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Speaker 3: That's why I didn't call you, guys.

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Speaker 6: I call I called jpso think you she might have

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Speaker 6: a tech traffic attachment. I call it OPP seven, the

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Speaker 6: same thing I called East Jefferson.

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Speaker 4: She's depressed, bipolar, but she's on meds and stuff and.

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Speaker 7: It's okay, so so far.

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Speaker 2: The cop that's talking to him has no information about

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Speaker 1: She couldn't get a hold of her. She was worried

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Speaker 2: And that I think her husband might have done something

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Speaker 2: Now they're sending an officer out with none of that information.

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Speaker 1: He first he look for an elderly person living alone,

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Speaker 2: Right, I mean, so we're getting off of the wrong

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Speaker 1: Because he's giving the information new to this officer that

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Speaker 2: Yes, and you can tell like probably the officer's not

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Speaker 7: Absolutely deal with this dog.

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Speaker 2: He has to deal with catching up to the story

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Speaker 2: because no one at dispatch gave him the full information

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Speaker 5: So yeah, she said she left before like this is

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Speaker 6: Never, never, And that's what's got to be concerned. And

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Speaker 6: you know, I called who called you?

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Speaker 6: I called a friend of hers who overreacts to everything,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean well, because first you said you're freaking out,

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Speaker 1: then you're saying you're concerned, and then you say her

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Speaker 1: which is it?

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Speaker 7: Right?

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Speaker 1: Did she ever react? Are you concerned?

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Speaker 5: But I mean since twelve thirty day she just apparently

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Speaker 6: I mean, well, know what happened was said, I woke

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Speaker 6: and she's gone right. And the course here, the keys

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Speaker 4: She's lived here seven years, six six years.

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Speaker 6: So you know, I was kind of giving it in,

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Speaker 5: If she warned her back, I mean, she's never done

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Speaker 1: No, okay, Now I'm bothered. Ask him a question. Stop

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Speaker 2: And what information he is getting, he's not using to

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Speaker 2: now he discovers through this man that he counters that

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Speaker 2: o'clock this afternoon and it's after ten pm now, since twelve. Well,

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Speaker 2: then and then he he says, I know who called

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Speaker 2: you too. It was her friend who lives in Alabama,

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Speaker 2: and she always overreacts, So now you're already armed with

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Speaker 2: enough information to go. Wait a minute, partner, we had

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Speaker 2: the wrong information on this. Will you get all the

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Speaker 2: and see what she reported exactly, because then you're gonna

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Speaker 1: The officer isn't you've done well in his test?

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Speaker 3: Sure?

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Speaker 1: And are do you normally go to the residents armed

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, usually you're given I mean, this is a

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Speaker 2: with whatever the dispatcher types in. So either the dispatcher

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Speaker 2: The guy that lives here, whose wife has been missing

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Speaker 2: And when the best friend called in, she said she

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Speaker 7: He didn't do that.

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Speaker 2: This was the perfect time, once you got that information,

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Speaker 3: And that's that's my concern.

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Speaker 5: Well, you you you checked all some good places that

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Speaker 5: you need to check, hospitals in jail. I would never

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Speaker 5: I think of the most group were required.

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Speaker 3: Of course, they told me twenty four hours.

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Speaker 5: Now, well, I believe the circumstances done in twenty four hours.

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Speaker 5: you could have done this for four dollars ago. I

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Speaker 5: mean it's it's spriscious and un due to her, her

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Speaker 3: I would think she's been she's making.

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Speaker 2: As alarmed as an officer. Just it's a way that

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Speaker 3: This is.

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Speaker 2: The next move right now is okay, let's put the

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Speaker 7: Right now, Let's see what he does, because.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna, like I said, we come out. We're gonna

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Speaker 1: So in this check, all they did was ask why

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Speaker 1: And that was it.

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Speaker 2: And now they're like, okay, wait a minute, this this

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Speaker 2: This is the problem I have with some mindsets of

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Speaker 2: Every police officer is an investigator. This is an investigation.

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Speaker 2: Someone called and said, my friend might be hurt.

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Speaker 7: She's missing.

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Speaker 2: I'm afraid the husband did something to her. Figure out

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Speaker 2: I'm a wellness check officer. I'm not a take a

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Speaker 2: I don't know how this patrol situation is structured. Do

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Speaker 7: They just go around town? Don't?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, white wellness check?

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Speaker 1: Could they not have done the missing person's report?

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Speaker 7: Occurs in the first twenty four hours of this case.

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Speaker 1: From your perspective. How important are the first twenty four

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Speaker 2: I mean, the stats speak for themselves, right, you know this?

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Speaker 2: it's this whole thing is a train wreck. What you

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Speaker 2: So the investigation begins here. They're leaving this scene right

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's gonna be just going Todd. We're watching and

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna give you a twenty one month.

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Speaker 2: Okay, she just said she's going to make a phone

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Speaker 1: One Anthony one.

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Speaker 8: Earlier tonight, around ten something, a friend from out of

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Speaker 1: So she's already coming in with the knowledge of what

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Speaker 2: Yes, she's taken the time to review the call card

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Speaker 1: And she's already preparing a detective that she is there,

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Speaker 7: Yes, I mean that's that's exactly what you should do.

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Speaker 8: The husband's like, yeah, everything's here, she left everything here.

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Speaker 8: I know we have contact contacting her. No, we have

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Speaker 3: Is her car here? Yeah?

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Speaker 8: Her car is here too, her purse, her wallet. When

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Speaker 3: Her, sir?

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Speaker 8: Twelve thirty?

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, like like noon, correct, around thirty.

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Speaker 8: You saw her in You saw her in person, right, yeah,

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Speaker 3: Nothing else.

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Speaker 8: She no, no, no, that's not what I said.

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Speaker 1: Is misconstrued something she said and she's like no, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, that needs to be done. That should be

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Speaker 2: even if she didn't, that's important because that can help

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Speaker 8: No, he's really not it, does it Like he's just

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Speaker 8: But then when we get here, he's like, do you

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Speaker 8: you want to come in? You can come look through

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Speaker 3: She's probably asleep.

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Speaker 2: She's using her observations in her common sense and her

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Speaker 2: more importantly, to report it, to document it. She's passing

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Speaker 2: it on to the detective, which we didn't see during

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Speaker 2: the wellness check. It was recognized and acknowledged and then

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Speaker 1: And then she went one step further and tried to

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Speaker 2: Correct, she's investigating. She's not a detective at this point.

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Speaker 2: She's a field training officer. She's a patrol officer, and

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Speaker 2: she is conducting an investigation. And that's what we discussed

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Speaker 8: Oh, do you have a picture of her, like a

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Speaker 3: Okay? Can you get that in your idea please? Mad

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Speaker 3: I have everything? Yeah, that's fine. Else, do you mind

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Speaker 8: So what prompted you to say, okay, I need to

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Speaker 6: Like around eight o'clock it was starting to get dark.

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Speaker 8: What else did you wake up for me? Now?

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Speaker 3: From here about four o'clock.

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Speaker 2: She got home at three Okay, so we according to

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Speaker 1: So there's an hour where potentially Grace and Jessica spent

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Speaker 1: an hour alone together. Correct, Therefore Grace has potentially pertinent

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Speaker 2: So just based on that statement right there, that's what

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Speaker 8: And you you did talk to your daughter and ask

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Speaker 3: Or you want me to get her.

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Speaker 8: I will, No, I don't don't have to.

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Speaker 4: It's two ATOD morning.

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Speaker 3: She has to go to school tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So he just he said, I don't want to

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Speaker 7: That's I mean.

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Speaker 2: I love Officer Gantner. I think she's a really good

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because we we established before there is an our window.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and she's a juvenile. You need the parents' permission

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Speaker 1: She just gave.

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Speaker 7: He just gave it.

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Speaker 2: He would have, he would have allowed her, I'm sure.

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Speaker 2: And if he would have all of a sudden he

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Speaker 2: And then you get to go in the bathroom and

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Speaker 2: you just kind of look a little bit. You don't

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Speaker 7: The ordinary, right right.

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Speaker 2: And this is a bit of armchair quarterbacking because she

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Speaker 2: did a great job overall, but it's something she missed

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Speaker 2: that I would have expected her to utilize. Now she

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Speaker 2: with that idea, and she's handling everything herself, so she's

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Speaker 2: probably a little more distracted than she would have been

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Speaker 2: with another veteran person to work with her. But I

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Speaker 2: just felt like those are two fairly sizable mistakes or

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Speaker 2: things that weren't done, and one was to talk to

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Speaker 2: the daughter when given the opportunity, and to try to

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Speaker 2: get a lot at more of the house, especially.

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Speaker 1: The bathroom, especially since he offered up both of those things.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 1: I agree, I think that might be the only mistake here,

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Speaker 1: because I believe after this the doors are closed.

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Speaker 2: Yes, and she you know, overall, I wish Officer Gantner

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Speaker 2: was investigating this case. I wish she was the detective

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Speaker 2: in this case because so far, in this entire thing,

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Speaker 2: she has been the best part of the law enforcement

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Speaker 7: What she's doing.

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Speaker 1: We've mentioned this before, but the police bodycam audio raises

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Speaker 1: a serious accusation about previous domestic violence between Justin and Jessica.

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Speaker 1: But it's important to understand that Justin has never been

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Speaker 1: charged with any crimes of domestic violence against Jessica, so

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Speaker 1: we need to maintain an open mind. Investigation like this

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Speaker 1: are complex and they happen in real time, which can

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Speaker 1: expose challenges when looked at in hindsight. If this had

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Speaker 1: been the first police unit to respond to Jessica's home,

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Speaker 1: Todd and I are confident that her case may be

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Speaker 1: in a very different status today. One takeaway for Todd

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Speaker 1: and me from reviewing this body cam footage is that

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Speaker 1: we are now more committed than ever to determine what

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Speaker 1: really happened in the days prior and the day's following

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Speaker 1: Justin's interaction with the NOPD. Ultimately, our investigation is still

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Speaker 1: ongoing and will continue until we exhaust every avenue. Hopefully

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Speaker 1: this has been as insightful to you as it was

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Speaker 1: for me. Be sure to follow along with our investigation

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Speaker 1: as we continue to unpack this story in our next episode.

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