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Speaker 1: Nobie Williams, and I'm Michael Barr. And this is a

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Speaker 1: world of sports. And we're talking about the NHL players

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Speaker 1: in the Olympics. Well, they're not in the Olympics right now.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the problem. The NHL players seemingly really would

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Speaker 1: where the problem starts, because the players do not like

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Speaker 1: NHL players played in the Olympics from fourteen. Obviously better

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Speaker 1: providing air fare, insurance, housing for NHL players and and

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Speaker 1: as you said, the IOC and International Hockey has filled

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Speaker 1: in some of those gaps. They've promised to restore that funding.

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Speaker 1: They're also open to a potential marketing mix between the

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