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Speaker 1: close to it with John middlecof former NFL scout three
Speaker 1: and out. I'm going to start with about ten minutes
Speaker 1: here on Jim Harbaugh. My thoughts before I get into
Speaker 1: the NFL stuff, because I have strong opinions on that.
Speaker 1: I thought, what the Big Ten did you know as
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh is flying to Penn State with his team
Speaker 1: was really second tier? I just don't think that's the
Speaker 1: way you do business. It felt overly punitive, considering it
Speaker 1: goes sort of against what the Big Ten handbook says
Speaker 1: on cases like this. But I thought there were multiple
Speaker 1: things in that game. Jim Harbaugh's teams, I believe now
Speaker 1: are undefeated when he's not on the sidelines, and that
Speaker 1: is a really great sign for a business. The boss
Speaker 1: can be gone and the business cranks, and that's Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: It is dependent on his personality and culture, which creates resiliency,
Speaker 1: efficiency and toughness, but game management. He has a very
Speaker 1: good staff behind him, and they win again on the
Speaker 1: road decisively when he's not there. Big ups for Jim Harbaugh.
Speaker 1: I also thought running twenty six straight times in the
Speaker 1: second half was almost a middle finger to the conference.
Speaker 1: It was about saying, we don't even have to throw
Speaker 1: the ball. I don't even have to be on the sidelines,
Speaker 1: and we're gonna end a conduct. We're gonna suffocate a
Speaker 1: really good top ten twelve team in Penn State. I
Speaker 1: thought that was a message. I did not think that
Speaker 1: was a coincidence. Jim Harbaugh, and he's done this in
Speaker 1: his entire career, will send messages. And I know he
Speaker 1: burns hot. I know he's not perfect. I know he
Speaker 1: wears people out. I have said, everybody speeds on the
Speaker 1: four or five in Los Angeles. You don't want to
Speaker 1: go ninety sunglasses in a maserati taunting law enforcement. Did
Speaker 1: Michigan go over the top? Appear so? But you can't
Speaker 1: convince me. A nineteen ninety four rule that none of
Speaker 1: you knew is suddenly embezzlement and forfeit wins and fire
Speaker 1: the coach. The other thing that jumped out to me
Speaker 1: is find me the great college football coaches have been pristine.
Speaker 1: Want to go back and look at some of the
Speaker 1: methods of Bear Bryant or Barry Switzer, or would he Hayes.
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson was polarizing Blunkeye fans, Urban Meyer, really great
Speaker 1: coach Nick Saban. They wear people out, They're tough. I
Speaker 1: mean Pete Carroll one of the great college football coaches. Ever,
Speaker 1: when he left there was all sorts of NCUBLEA issues
Speaker 1: around the program. So I'm not looking for pristine Okay,
Speaker 1: In the NFL, coaches have to deal with wacko, impulsive,
Speaker 1: ego infested owners. And in college football you got to
Speaker 1: deal with needy donors Los Angeles phone book, thick, NC
Speaker 1: doublea handbook. You have to deal with seventeen hours of practice.
Speaker 1: Kids are emotional. They come from all different backgrounds. I
Speaker 1: think Jim Harball you can see his coaches crying on
Speaker 1: the sideline in Rich's coach enriches players, elevates young people's lives,
Speaker 1: and I think that's such an important part of college football, coaching, basketball, men's, women's, whatever,
Speaker 1: it is enriching their lives. But if you're looking for pristine,
Speaker 1: wrong business. Our churches aren't pristine, okay. Wall Street's not,
Speaker 1: Silicon Valley's not. College sports is not a lot of handouts, folks.
Speaker 1: For years and years they were paying players. Now they
Speaker 1: are legally right. That's why it's so balanced now because
Speaker 1: not just the SEC is paying players. The idea that
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh is the bad guy in all this, all
Speaker 1: of this is laughable to me. And I also thought
Speaker 1: about this. The Big Ten sees itself as like, you know,
Speaker 1: either the most important conference certainly I'd argue it is
Speaker 1: because it's located right in the middle of the country,
Speaker 1: massive tradition filled universities Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State, Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: But it's really become a two team conference. Penn State,
Speaker 1: though doesn't win these kind of games. It's Michigan, Ohio State.
Speaker 1: And I think Big ten fans think by adding Michigan, Washington, Oregon,
Speaker 1: USC UCLA, they look at the South California schools and
Speaker 1: then they look at Washington and Oregon is sort of
Speaker 1: like Oregon plus Michigan State, ish plus no. Right now,
Speaker 1: Washington and Oregon have as good at coaches as maybe
Speaker 1: they've ever had, and they are Ohio State. You're adding
Speaker 1: two Ohio states to the conference. I don't think Big
Speaker 1: ten fans get this. Every time Washington has had an
Speaker 1: elite coach, Don James National title, Rick Neuheizel won Rose Bulls,
Speaker 1: Chris Peterson got to the playoff, Caitlin de bores when's
Speaker 1: the last time they lost on like a sixteen to
Speaker 1: seventeen game winning street. Same for Oregon since Phil Knight
Speaker 1: got involved. Mike Bolotti with Jeff Hedford number two in
Speaker 1: the country. Mike Bolotti with Chip Kelly, blew people out,
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, Mark Helfridge get to a Natty and right
Speaker 1: now with Dan Lanning, I think there's an argument that Oregon,
Speaker 1: he's the second best team in the country to Michigan.
Speaker 1: They're in that Georgia, Alabama, Oregon, Texas class. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I'd take him against Texas and Alabama. Not sure what
Speaker 1: against Georgia, but it would be close. So the Big Ten.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's the perfect time for Jim Harbaugh exit if
Speaker 1: he wins a national championship or even if he doesn't.
Speaker 1: But the truth is for him to continue to win
Speaker 1: when he's not on the sidelines. It shows the formidable
Speaker 1: culture that he's built. Running and just running in the
Speaker 1: second half, to me was a sign to the conference
Speaker 1: that we will do it our way, that Michigan football,
Speaker 1: power football, regardless if I'm on the sidelines, will prevail.
Speaker 1: I wish Maryland and Ohio State the best of luck.
Speaker 1: But listen, man, if you're looking for pristine, you got
Speaker 1: to be kidding yourself. I mean, Buckeye fans, slow down
Speaker 1: on pristine. Woody Hayes smacking a player during a game.
Speaker 1: Love Herbenmeyer, all sorts of noise when Urban was there.
Speaker 1: Jim Harball's not the bad guy. Hey, we all make
Speaker 1: mistakes again. Jimmy Johnson polarizing, Barry Switzer, Pete Carroll, Lou Holts.
Speaker 1: These are not These are not perfect jobs or perfect men.
Speaker 1: But I loved, I loved. I don't generally root in
Speaker 1: these games. I just like a good TV product. I
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Speaker 1: for about an hour tonight. John Middlecoff joining us, So
Speaker 1: let's start with something that I know irritates the hell
Speaker 1: out of both of us. The Chargers gave up five
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty three yards and about eight and a
Speaker 1: half yards of play to Jared Goff and the Lines, who,
Speaker 1: by the way, were off a bye. I thought it
Speaker 1: was my favorite bet of the week. It was a push.
Speaker 1: It was at minus one Monday, but by Friday I
Speaker 1: get blazing five. I got minus three. But listen, this
Speaker 1: is not an easy team to defend. Although Baltimore did it.
Speaker 1: They were off a bye, but the ease in which
Speaker 1: Detroit scored quickly in the second half Derwin James and
Speaker 1: I say this all the time when I watch a coach,
Speaker 1: do your players get better? We tend to think that
Speaker 1: good players in the NFL like they're set, like they
Speaker 1: can't be coached. Derwin James between the between the penalties,
Speaker 1: getting beat and all. Obviously he can be sporadic in
Speaker 1: terms of availability. I don't think Derwin James. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: resign him. I mean, I like him, but I wouldn't
Speaker 1: pay a safety that anymore what you have to pay Herbert.
Speaker 1: I am just it's John. At some point we have
Speaker 1: to acknowledge. I like Jared Goff. I like this old line.
Speaker 1: They're not eight and a half yards of play good right.
Speaker 2: I think the defining thing of the Brandon Staley ten
Speaker 2: year so far as the defensive coordinator while he's the
Speaker 2: head coach, he calls the defense has been in big spots.
Speaker 2: Guys are wide open, and I think as a coach
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter what you know, and guys like Brandon Staley,
Speaker 2: I'm sure on a white board, just like Josh McDaniels
Speaker 2: who was fired last week, knows a lot like their
Speaker 2: football knowledge, understanding every yard, every landmark, where everyone's supposed
Speaker 2: to be, what you're supposed to do against this. If
Speaker 2: this happens, do your players know? That's what coaching is.
Speaker 2: That's what separated Belichick for twenty years. His players always
Speaker 2: knew what's to do. Andy Reid now with mahomes the
Speaker 2: player for his whole career, but now they've gone up
Speaker 2: a level that he has the quarterback. And you watch
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley in that last drive, the first play that game,
Speaker 2: guys wide open, goes for forty yards and then ultimately
Speaker 2: getting field goal position because of that play. And I
Speaker 2: think it's always going back to the playoff game what
Speaker 2: happened against the Jacks. They had an enormous lead and
Speaker 2: then blown coverage, blown coverage, and listen, most guys aren't
Speaker 2: Deon Sanders, Dureel Reeves, dvs are there, they get plays
Speaker 2: made on them. Football is hard. But when no one's
Speaker 2: around you, that's the problem with USC's defense the last
Speaker 2: couple of years, Like there's not even a soul around.
Speaker 2: This can't be normal, you know. And I think that's
Speaker 2: the Brandon Staley ultimately his undoing because Herbert today had
Speaker 2: a little bit of a muscle flex Like this is
Speaker 2: the reason I'm one hundred and seventy hundred and eighty
Speaker 2: million dollar quarterback. Keenan Allen's been fantastic this season, clearly
Speaker 2: playing injured. You can have a quarterback at that level,
Speaker 2: Like you said, Jared Goff resurrected his career. Everyone has
Speaker 2: a lot of respect if you like football, for what
Speaker 2: he's done. But Herbert's on a different level. But his
Speaker 2: defense is just better.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Quintin Johnson had a touchdown today, which is big
Speaker 1: for the Chargers because you know, and I call the
Speaker 1: Chargers and asked him. They're like, we really like him.
Speaker 1: But the TCU offense was different than the Chargers offense completely,
Speaker 1: and we're asking a lot of our receivers. That's why
Speaker 1: even Palmer year two, year three, Keenan Allen, Mike Williams,
Speaker 1: they've been in the system. Gerald, this is a hard offense.
Speaker 1: We at Kellen Moore. Now we introduced a new offense.
Speaker 1: So I was happy to see that happen. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I think, you know, people can believe what they want
Speaker 1: about quarterbacks. I mean, Jordan Love had two picks today
Speaker 1: lost and people will say, oh, he made some great throws,
Speaker 1: you know, Justin Herbert was throwing dimes all over the field.
Speaker 1: Loses and people will say he's overrated. I felt today,
Speaker 1: I mean, the Spanos family and Tom Tellsco. Have been frustrated.
Speaker 1: I mean, I could tell you that that with some
Speaker 1: of what's gone on, great disappointment and the money spent
Speaker 1: on the defense and the inability for it to make stops.
Speaker 1: But I thought today I thought, I mean, Herbert marched
Speaker 1: down the field, doesn't have Mike Williams, doesn't have that
Speaker 1: offensive line. I thought he was stupendous. You know, it's
Speaker 1: funny I told you this. Obviously there's a communicator. We
Speaker 1: don't think Brandon and Staley's a dumb guy. There's a
Speaker 1: communication gap between brand that and the players. When you
Speaker 1: get Mike Vrabel, Dan Campbell and Andy Reid and Mike Tomlin,
Speaker 1: there's almost a physical presence, or with Pete Carroll, John Harball,
Speaker 1: sort of a legendary presence. They they're like almost brands.
Speaker 1: With Brandon Staley, he's a smart guy. Is he willing
Speaker 1: to confront a player? He's a smaller guy. Is he
Speaker 1: willing to confront a player? Is he willing to bark?
Speaker 1: Is he willing to use willing to use volume? Because
Speaker 1: I don't understand how you can have veteran players and
Speaker 1: older expensive defense in the wrong spot. Is he willing
Speaker 1: to call players out? And by the way, Vrabel is
Speaker 1: Tomlin is Pete is Harbaugh? Is that part of this
Speaker 1: whole thing is connecting. I mean, I know guys Greg
Speaker 1: Olsen told me Pete Carroll's meetings, you didn't make a sound.
Speaker 1: There was reverence toward Pete, Andy Reid. He will bark
Speaker 1: at Mahomes. He's intimidating, you know, spolstra Kerr. These guys
Speaker 1: will snip, they'll get after you. Staley to me is
Speaker 1: sort of this intellectual to players respect him. They may
Speaker 1: know he's smart, but a lot of times John, I've
Speaker 1: had bosses they're smart, it doesn't with me.
Speaker 2: And that's what I wonder that. There was a famous
Speaker 2: story when I worked in the in the Eagles office
Speaker 2: about Andy and a high draft pick at offensive line.
Speaker 2: This would have been the mid two thousands, basically getting
Speaker 2: in a shoving match. I don't know if it lasted
Speaker 2: that long. But Andy's enormous, this offensive lineman a tackle enormous,
Speaker 2: and the whole place kind of moved right, the whole building.
Speaker 2: And you bring up Steve Kerr, think of think how
Speaker 2: Steve is perceived on the outside very progressive, liberal, outspoken,
Speaker 2: feels like he resonates with a certain crowd. Yet from
Speaker 2: a sports crowd. He's famous for fighting. Michael Jordan had
Speaker 2: a historical knockdown drag out with Draymond once upon a
Speaker 2: time in Oklahoma City that went public. A ton more
Speaker 2: that are not public. And part of it, like you said,
Speaker 2: is Brandon Staley really willing? You got to be confrontational.
Speaker 2: That's part of the sport, and it's the football in
Speaker 2: general is probably the most uncomfortable of them all because
Speaker 2: use of the power coaches yield. Right. You know, in
Speaker 2: basketball some coaches not everyone has Steve Kerr or Spolstro's poll.
Speaker 2: But in football, all the head coach can always bench
Speaker 2: a player at any moment or he's in charge. Even
Speaker 2: if you work for Jerry Jones, the coach has a
Speaker 2: lot of poll over you. And you watch Brandon Staley,
Speaker 2: like are players intimidated by this guy? And nothing ever changes?
Speaker 2: And listen, I have nothing personal against the guy. People
Speaker 2: sayn't hate him. I just you know, I just watched
Speaker 2: his thing over and over.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: The one thing I read flag is you know, the
Speaker 2: media is not that difficult to deal with. If you
Speaker 2: just call him by their first name, you can get
Speaker 2: on their great graces and he was good at that,
Speaker 2: so I and that was the phony element I saw it,
Speaker 2: and with the San Franciso Giants with Gabe Kapler, because ultimately,
Speaker 2: if you win or lose, who cares what they think
Speaker 2: about you. That's what you're paid there to do. And
Speaker 2: he's just struggled at that. And now you know, this
Speaker 2: year's been hanging on by a thread. And when you
Speaker 2: have this quarterback. There's a couple of players I think
Speaker 2: that are pretty polarizing who are pretty good, Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 2: and Justin Herbert, and I think, oh, I got a
Speaker 2: couple of texts to day about Trevor Lawrence are like, yeah,
Speaker 2: there's some intangible stuff I wish he had a little
Speaker 2: more of. I think he can be a little overrated.
Speaker 2: One guy. I never hear that from. I don't care.
Speaker 2: It could be the Chiefs, the Eagles are just other
Speaker 2: random teams. Everyone supports Justin Herbert as a player. There's
Speaker 2: no he is not polarizing internally in the NFL. Good teams,
Speaker 2: bad teams, in middle of the road teams. Everyone's stamps
Speaker 2: this guy is a baller, right, He's in that crew
Speaker 2: of what gets universal agreement, and you know you wasted
Speaker 2: his rookie contract. Now you're paying him big money. Luckily,
Speaker 2: the way football is, he can play at this level
Speaker 2: for a long period of time. But the time is now.
Speaker 2: I mean, what are we doing. Whether it's Jim Harball,
Speaker 2: whether it's I don't know exactly who the coach is,
Speaker 2: but you have to upgrade. It's not even debatable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think when you look at the big
Speaker 1: picture of the NFC, let's pivot a little bit to
Speaker 1: the Lions. I do think they match up with the NFC.
Speaker 1: I think that offensive line will be formidable against Philadelphia,
Speaker 1: San Francisco in Dallas. Now, I don't know if they'll
Speaker 1: win there, they've got a shot. But I'll say this
Speaker 1: about the Lions. In the NFC, it's about line. The
Speaker 1: best on lines in football are arguably Philly, Detroit, Dallas.
Speaker 1: You can make an argument those are the best three.
Speaker 1: So you have to have some bit of a pass
Speaker 1: rush or you'll get engulfed. And by the way, Dallas
Speaker 1: great pass rush, Philly great pass rush. San Francisco. Now,
Speaker 1: Chase Young had a great pass rush. You have to
Speaker 1: have an offensive line and you have to have a
Speaker 1: path rush. In the NFC, in the AFC, it's a
Speaker 1: battle of quarterbacks. It's a battle of brilliant coaches and quarterbacks.
Speaker 1: But Detroit online pass rush, veteran quarterback weapons. I think
Speaker 1: Detroit matches up with everybody, including Philadelphia, Baltimore, Lamar Jackson. No,
Speaker 1: I don't, but but I when you start looking at
Speaker 1: that NFC John, I think they can beat anybody.
Speaker 2: Well in a dome. They're very potent because their quarterback
Speaker 2: is proven. You get them outside in inclement weather, back
Speaker 2: to college, all through his pro career. It can go
Speaker 2: off the rails. But in a controlled environment. What does
Speaker 2: Detroit have you said, not just an offensive line. They
Speaker 2: are loaded with weapons that all balance each other out.
Speaker 2: You got Jameis and Williams, speed guy, Saint Brown can
Speaker 2: go across the middle and make place happen. How good
Speaker 2: does the young tight end Laporta. Look, they have multiple
Speaker 2: running backs Montgomery. They just drafted Gibbs high. So you
Speaker 2: got weapons everywhere that all compliment each other with different skills.
Speaker 2: So to me, the only question mark could they go
Speaker 2: outside and win in Philly? I don't see that because
Speaker 2: it would be cold and potentially bad weather, and that's
Speaker 2: kind of Jared Goff's bugaboo. But we've talked about this
Speaker 2: before and I said it weeks ago. Just look at
Speaker 2: their schedule that they could thirteen fourteen wins. They could
Speaker 2: definitely compete for the one seed, and if they control
Speaker 2: their environment, they're more than likely. I think there's a
Speaker 2: decent chance that worse, they're the two seed. That means
Speaker 2: you get two home playoff games, right, we get the
Speaker 2: first round and the second round. Now that second round
Speaker 2: game could be a two to three to them in
Speaker 2: the Niners. Obviously they would probably they would be the
Speaker 2: underdog in that game if it came down to it,
Speaker 2: but like you said, they would definitely have a chance
Speaker 2: to win, and in a dome. Jared Goff, this version
Speaker 2: of Jared Goff's pretty impressive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going forward on fourth down, they absolutely have a culture,
Speaker 1: they have a mindset, they're aggressive. They this is what
Speaker 1: I really respect about Dan Campbell. I know exactly what
Speaker 1: they are. They're not in Miami where you get a
Speaker 1: different team based on opponent. Take the Baltimore game out.
Speaker 1: I know what I get from Baltimore every Sunday, tough, physical,
Speaker 1: can run. Goff has some limitations, not a ton don't
Speaker 1: love their secondary. You can beat them over the top.
Speaker 1: They're usually gonna win in you know, the twenty eight,
Speaker 1: twenty seven, thirty one, twenty nine. That's kind of where
Speaker 1: they're at. But I know what I get from Detroit.
Speaker 1: I got no idea. I thought I knew what I
Speaker 1: got from Jacksonville. I have no idea what I'm getting
Speaker 1: from some of these teams like Dallas week to week,
Speaker 1: Buffalo week to week. I have no idea what I'm getting.
Speaker 1: So to me, when I watch a team, it's like,
Speaker 1: what are you? Oh, I know exactly what Detroit is.
Speaker 2: One thing with Dan Campbell, I remember a couple of
Speaker 2: years ago before the Lions got good. I remember watching
Speaker 2: an interview and I think this's a big difference between him,
Speaker 2: let's say, and Brandon Staley. And he said that several
Speaker 2: years I think it was through maybe five that he
Speaker 2: worked for Sean Payton as his assistant head coach. He said,
Speaker 2: one thing I learned from him is in my nature
Speaker 2: and trained from Bill Parcells as a player, was to
Speaker 2: be very conservative. Run the ball, punt the ball, play
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties nineteen nineties football, and I saw with Sean
Speaker 2: Payton that willingness to go for it in certain spots,
Speaker 2: to be aggressive, and he changed my perspective on that.
Speaker 2: So when I watched the Lions when they go for
Speaker 2: it to me their mindset and listen, you could argue
Speaker 2: it's just the numbers. I feel it's different than when
Speaker 2: Brandon Staley just feels like haphazardly, like we just go
Speaker 2: for it because that's always what we do. We go
Speaker 2: for it no matter what. He saw the lines today
Speaker 2: steal the game with going for it, and I think
Speaker 2: he would give Sean Payton credit and he has before
Speaker 2: for changing that mindset. So from that old school kind
Speaker 2: of meadhead parcels to kind of being a young progressive
Speaker 2: mindset and mixing and blending them together. The physicality with
Speaker 2: that kind of outlook on the sport of football. That's
Speaker 2: like the Lions, I mean, cal they're looking like a
Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen win. The Detroit Lions winning thirteen fourteen games. Yeah, insane.
Speaker 1: Vikings don't have a quarterback right now. For the future,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins won't be it. Bears don't say what you
Speaker 1: want about Jordan Love, that's not it, and they'll probably
Speaker 1: stick with him for another year. So this is one
Speaker 1: of these things where they could become the Packers. Packers
Speaker 1: always had good old lines, above average quarterback play, good
Speaker 1: enough weapons, not always great defenses. Favi an Erin rarely
Speaker 1: had great defenses, right, But this to me, they always
Speaker 1: had good front offices. I think the front office. I
Speaker 1: think they've really done a good job in the front
Speaker 1: office where their top picks especially, they've hit home runs.
Speaker 1: And they've also been much like their playing style, they've
Speaker 1: been hyper aggressive as drafters, running back at twelve, linebackers
Speaker 1: like a nineteen eighty eight draft, and running backs linebackers.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I I don't know. It's
Speaker 1: like Baltimore has that with me. Baltimore went and drafted
Speaker 1: a safety in a center in the first round. You know,
Speaker 1: two positions you generally go later. But if you have
Speaker 1: self belief, I think Detroit does. They're in a good
Speaker 1: spot all right. San Francisco annihilates Jacksonville. So there are
Speaker 1: these moments. There are certain things in the NFL that
Speaker 1: are true. Andy Reid on a buye, Shanahan rested healthy
Speaker 1: team on a bye. Should we look at this for Jacksonville.
Speaker 1: I'm a little bothered by it because it's okay if
Speaker 1: a Seattle or Detroit plays Lamar Jackson. There's nothing in
Speaker 1: the league like him. NFC teams have no idea. He's
Speaker 1: like seventeen in one. But you're at home, you were rested,
Speaker 1: you were healthy. That game was never competitive like I
Speaker 1: and I have been a huge Jags fan, I gotta
Speaker 1: be honest with you. I didn't like what I saw.
Speaker 2: I think it was a perfect storm. I wouldn't put
Speaker 2: the stamp of approval that this Jags team is going
Speaker 2: to go to the AFC Championship game, but I'm going
Speaker 2: to give him a little bit. Throw that thing in
Speaker 2: the trash can. They got the forty nine ers coming
Speaker 2: off three losses. Their John Lynch said last week their
Speaker 2: team looked like they were running with concrete in their shoes.
Speaker 2: They looked so slow. They were desperate for a buye.
Speaker 2: Everyone needed to take a deep breath. Their defensive line,
Speaker 2: Colin was really underachieving. You know, when the Yankees lose,
Speaker 2: they're paying all their hitters to hit home runs. When
Speaker 2: they don't hit them runs, you're just gonna lose. When
Speaker 2: the forty nine ers don't stack the quarterback. The amount
Speaker 2: of money they have. The highest paid defensive lineman in
Speaker 2: the league in Bosa, they gave Hard Grave forty you know,
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars a year, forty guaranteed this offseason. The
Speaker 2: highest paid free agent defensive linemen, they just trade for
Speaker 2: Chase Young. Eric Armstead makes sixteen million dollars a year.
Speaker 2: They're all in on that group. When that group doesn't dominate,
Speaker 2: and I know statistically they were like leading the league
Speaker 2: in pressures, it did not look the same when I
Speaker 2: witnessed today. Nick Bosa is a good example. He was
Speaker 2: statistically pressures wise, having a good year. When you watched him,
Speaker 2: you went, he doesn't look like TJ. Watt and Miles
Speaker 2: Garrett right now. Because a great pass rusher, it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter what you throw at him, right That's why Belichick
Speaker 2: always pushes back when people compare someone to Lawrence Taylor.
Speaker 2: You could throw seven people at him. He's hung over,
Speaker 2: He's still sacking the quarterback. So there are no excuses.
Speaker 2: Now you put Chase Young over there. Nick Bosta look
Speaker 2: like the one hundred and twenty five million dollar man. Again,
Speaker 2: if that's the case, the Niners are potent because Fred
Speaker 2: Warner is the best linebacker in the league, who Funga
Speaker 2: is a fantastic playmaker. So to me, that defensive line
Speaker 2: they are built to play from ahead. Brock perty today
Speaker 2: he's if he doesn't turn the ball over, he's a
Speaker 2: really explosive quarterback. He averaged over eleven yards of completion.
Speaker 2: They pushed the ball down the field. Yes, he is
Speaker 2: not afraid to throw the ball down the field. And
Speaker 2: they have made NFC Championship runs with dinking and dunking
Speaker 2: and playing defense. So when you push the ball down
Speaker 2: the field, that's the team that was kicking the shit
Speaker 2: out of everybody the first five weeks. But it starts
Speaker 2: with the defense. And when their defense dominates like that,
Speaker 2: like Trevor Lawrence, you know, kind of went to a shell.
Speaker 2: But I got news for you. I think besides, like
Speaker 2: Mahomes and Josh Allen and maybe Lamar, most people are
Speaker 2: getting destroyed and they have no shot, and even those
Speaker 2: guys might lose if that's the performance. But Trevor Lawrence
Speaker 2: becomes much more predestriate when you're peppering him every play,
Speaker 2: which the forty nine ers, did.
Speaker 1: You know It's funny. You know, for years the Ravens
Speaker 1: and the Niners have had these like constant injuries in
Speaker 1: camp and in preseason, and you just wait for him
Speaker 1: to get healthy. And I wonder the two downsides to
Speaker 1: Shanahan's style. Number One, half the league is using it now,
Speaker 1: so the element of surprise. Now he's the genius behind it, right,
Speaker 1: So it's copycat versions of that offense, but there's less
Speaker 1: of an element of surprise. A lot of people are
Speaker 1: using it. So his window for a couple of years,
Speaker 1: nobody's doing it. I'm doing it.
Speaker 2: That's over.
Speaker 1: So that hurts a little. And that's why quarterback becomes
Speaker 1: so valuable because in these close playoff games, it's just
Speaker 1: it's a play by a Herbert, it's a play by
Speaker 1: Mahomes or a birl like it's a play. The second
Speaker 1: thing is that physicality is word of the trademark of
Speaker 1: his dad and Kyle. And we got another you know,
Speaker 1: eight weeks regular season, six seven weeks regular season, and
Speaker 1: I watched them today and I said, that version, that's
Speaker 1: the best team in the league.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the.
Speaker 1: Best team in league. But even their practices are intense.
Speaker 1: Their entire culture, like Baltimore's intense Baltimore and San Francisco.
Speaker 1: There's a reason they're always hurt. And I looked at
Speaker 1: the Niners today and I thought, if you gave me
Speaker 1: the mat team, yeah, that they're going to get to
Speaker 1: the NFC Championship. But I wonder, and you knew this
Speaker 1: team very well, is that can can Kyle? Can you
Speaker 1: take the foot off? Can you give McCaffrey a week off?
Speaker 1: Can you rest debo? Is it in them now? The
Speaker 1: schedule is not. It's not in them. So it's like
Speaker 1: you're you're asking, you know, you marry the you marry
Speaker 1: the party animal, and then you're upset that he's the
Speaker 1: party animal. That's what attracted you to the party animal.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is who they are. I just don't
Speaker 1: know if they'll be healthy by the end. They never
Speaker 1: feel like they are.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle's established who he is. I mean, he will
Speaker 2: run Christian McCaffrey into the ground because that's his best player.
Speaker 2: And I think you saw today a lot. Why do
Speaker 2: the Eagles win so many games the last couple of
Speaker 2: years because for the most part, A. J. Brown, Deante Smith,
Speaker 2: Dallas godd have been on the field and no team's
Speaker 2: going to have three better players than that, and that's
Speaker 2: been the difference in a lot of their wins. Right now, whatever,
Speaker 2: they're eight and one. Well, the forty nine ers. You
Speaker 2: removed Trent Williams, who's basically like Shaquille O'Neill in the
Speaker 2: NFL in his prime, and Deebo Samuel, who becomes their
Speaker 2: second best player behind McCaffrey and George Kittle, you know,
Speaker 2: and Brandon Ayuk. They're unstoppable. But you remove those two guys,
Speaker 2: as you saw the last couple of weeks, they become
Speaker 2: a little more pedestrian and their margin ferrer is a
Speaker 2: lot slimmer. But to me, Kyle is wired like a
Speaker 2: guy that would have been in the eighties. They would
Speaker 2: have been coaching against Buddy Ryan and Bill Parcells and
Speaker 2: Bill Wallah. He would have fit. He would have a
Speaker 2: lot in common. You know, Kyle's viewed as this young
Speaker 2: guy with his whole crew. He's an old soul. To me,
Speaker 2: he has much more in common with Belichick and Pete Carroll,
Speaker 2: guys in their seventies in terms of philosophically, the way
Speaker 2: he looks at football, which makes sense. What did he
Speaker 2: grow up around Mike Shanahan in the eighties and nineties
Speaker 2: in the NFL being at practice, being around that, and
Speaker 2: Mike Shanahan was notoriously somewhat of a conservative coach. Why
Speaker 2: running And like you said, the difference also Kyle and
Speaker 2: some of these other guys, they all run the same place.
Speaker 2: Kyle does have better players, But there's a collegiate element
Speaker 2: where yeah, a lot of teams run certain things in college,
Speaker 2: but do you have Alabamahouse States personnel? Because when he's
Speaker 2: rolling out Debo and he's rolling out McAffrey and he's
Speaker 2: rolling out Aus, it's not really a fair fight. And
Speaker 2: what's the Jacks are pretty good, Like, the Jacks have
Speaker 2: a lot of good offensive personnel that they couldn't even
Speaker 2: begin to sniff. The group that came in motivated. That's
Speaker 2: the other thing. This is a group of guys that
Speaker 2: have won a lot of playoff games. Everyone's you know,
Speaker 2: dragging him through the mud, and rightfully so they've been
Speaker 2: pretty embarrassing the last couple weeks they came out. They
Speaker 2: probably would have beat any team in the league today
Speaker 2: given what was on the line.
Speaker 1: And let's be honest about Jacksonville. So I've seen him
Speaker 1: get hammered by San Francisco, can't beat Kansas City. I
Speaker 1: still think they're a baby step away. I agree it's
Speaker 1: not a giant step from being Cincinnati. I just don't
Speaker 1: think they're there yet, So you know. And the other
Speaker 1: thing is, I like Trevor Lawrence. I love college football
Speaker 1: so much that I think, you know, part of me.
Speaker 1: I don't think Trevor's as good as Andrew Luck, but
Speaker 1: I think he's really really good. I don't think Cayleb
Speaker 1: Williams is probably as good as Andrew Luck, maybe as
Speaker 1: good as Trevor. But one of the things that Luck
Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence sharon common and this is one of
Speaker 1: the criticisms I've heard about both early, but I didn't
Speaker 1: think it was I wasn't going to question it on
Speaker 1: the air. Do they live for football? They love playing it?
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck gave up the sport, has no there's no
Speaker 1: fallacy here that anybody thinks, oh he misses it dearly.
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence has said publicly like I love playing football,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't define me. Gms and owners don't want
Speaker 1: to hear that. Coaches don't want to hear that. And
Speaker 1: sometime and I think Trevor's a great competitor. But I
Speaker 1: do look at sometimes Trevor Lawrence and I don't see
Speaker 1: quite the fire I would love. But I mean, I mean,
Speaker 1: who am I to say that? But Brady is forty four.
Speaker 2: He brings Colin Colin he said, he said it once
Speaker 2: upon a time, he said football is not everything to
Speaker 2: meet or what I might be butchering his exact Well,
Speaker 2: but remember around the draft, Yeah, he said those works.
Speaker 2: And let's use today as an example. You had one
Speaker 2: of the best prospects of the last twenty years, Trevor Lawrence. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you had mister irrelevant, right, And I would say
Speaker 2: one defining characteristic of Brock Purdy. Why Fred Warner, Why
Speaker 2: George Kittle, Why Christian McCaffrey. Who are wired like Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 2: Andy Reid, Bill Belichick addicts, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. Brock
Speaker 2: Purty fits under that football is everything to him. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, it means absolutely everything to him. And that's
Speaker 2: the thing with Trevor Lawrence. He's so much more gifted
Speaker 2: than everyone else. Is there a little bit of a
Speaker 2: basketball element like his talent? Six four, six y five,
Speaker 2: good arm, naturally accurate, can move. It's easy. Showed up
Speaker 2: Clemson in the middle of their dynasty, immediately starts. The
Speaker 2: other guy gets told that transfer brock Perty's begging for scholarships.
Speaker 2: You know comes third string. That there's an element. And
Speaker 2: we've talked about this a lot before. Most of the
Speaker 2: quarterback that are having a lot of success are not
Speaker 2: the number one overall pick Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.
Speaker 2: But Peyton's even more of an example because he played
Speaker 2: for as long as he did is an all time outlier.
Speaker 2: Most of the best quarterbacks are usually kind of random picks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Jacksonville is a playoff team. They'll be fine.
Speaker 1: Although I think and I want to talk about Bengals
Speaker 1: Houston Texans because this was a spot. This is one
Speaker 1: of the bets I should have taken. I should have
Speaker 1: taken Houston. Plus the point everybody told me to take
Speaker 1: this because you know, Cincinnati had beaten Buffalo Ravens next
Speaker 1: and this is that classic Sandwich game. Is that I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear any excuses for Daniel Jones. I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it for Jordan Love or Kenny Pickett.
Speaker 1: I watched every snap of that thing today. C J.
Speaker 1: Stroud is so accurate, so impressive. He had a bad pick,
Speaker 1: very much like Andrew Luck shrugged it off, had zero effect,
Speaker 1: very short memory. And listen, we all know Burrel great.
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you something. When I watched CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 1: that was a real moment. That is a better roster
Speaker 1: on the road. Bad pick, bounce back, marched down the
Speaker 1: field with no time left. Now, if Boyd could catch,
Speaker 1: maybe it's a different outcome. But I gotta tell you, John,
Speaker 1: I looked at him. You know, it's funny his comp
Speaker 1: was Jared Goff with a little more mobility. Well if
Speaker 1: I told you you know, if you think about that,
Speaker 1: that's like, well, hell if GoF had mobility, maybe like
Speaker 1: a top eight quarterback.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I watched Stroud and I'm just like, I'm sold.
Speaker 1: I mean today was just like that last drive. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: I am sold on him.
Speaker 2: Well, you and I have been talking about it all
Speaker 2: season long. The separating factor what makes guys have success
Speaker 2: that are drafted high or not their ability to layer
Speaker 2: those throws. It's not the Brett faarv seventy yard on
Speaker 2: a rope, you know, into double coverage. Most guys can't
Speaker 2: do that. Can you layer the throw over an underneath
Speaker 2: the fender, whether it's a corner or a linebacker, and
Speaker 2: then a safety behind him and put it in there.
Speaker 2: And a lot of guys can't. Most guys can't, and
Speaker 2: most guys can't consistently do it. This guy does it
Speaker 2: with the East and let's face it with the Thursday
Speaker 2: night game with Bryce on display. And this when I
Speaker 2: got out of football and went to radio and started
Speaker 2: to going to a lot of baseball games and basketball games.
Speaker 2: And I knew this being so many NFL games. But
Speaker 2: the importance of size in pro sports, the outliers of
Speaker 2: small guys is so small, like Steph currz considered a
Speaker 2: small guy. Steph Curry six's four and now he's jacked,
Speaker 2: But he's not that small. He's not Isaiah Thomas. You know,
Speaker 2: he's not as small as you think.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm I'm I'm six two. I'd be like the
Speaker 1: fifth tallest president in the history of the country. And
Speaker 1: I've been around Steph Curry twice. He's bigger than me
Speaker 1: and fifteen pounds heavier.
Speaker 2: I remember going to Giants baseball games seeing Hunter Pence
Speaker 2: and Madison Bumber and the size of these guys, and
Speaker 2: you see Bryce Young, I just don't see how that's
Speaker 2: gonna work. He is so small that it's one thing
Speaker 2: to be Kyler Murray small, but he's two hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty pounds and he's faster than every guy on the field.
Speaker 2: So he has things that he could hang his hat on.
Speaker 2: Even today, I'm watching some of his highlights. I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's one hundred percent, but he's still faster
Speaker 2: than every one in the Atlanta Falcons. Bryce is not
Speaker 2: that fast, doesn't have a great arm anyways, one hundred
Speaker 2: and seventy pounds, and when Javon Hargrave or some of
Speaker 2: these defensive linemen fall on you, he's there's no way
Speaker 2: to just get back up. You watch DJ Straud, He's big,
Speaker 2: he can move, and throwing is the easiest part of
Speaker 2: this game. It just comes like, I don't even think
Speaker 2: it's that debatable. I'm not trying to We're only in November.
Speaker 2: The Texans wouldn't even pick up their phone call if
Speaker 2: they try to do a trade, And how would Carolina
Speaker 2: not have a redo on that? And is that just
Speaker 2: David Temper forcing it? Because I'd say the Houston Texans,
Speaker 2: who also really like Bryce Young. Sometimes you need a
Speaker 2: little luck. Hell, the Chargers would have taken to a
Speaker 2: he's on your team, that's all that matters. They should
Speaker 2: be doing cartwheels that this guy, the way it all
Speaker 2: played out, fell to them, because I don't see any
Speaker 2: chance Bryce Young could be like a quarter of as
Speaker 2: good as guy Well.
Speaker 1: And also, Ohio State has a history. Think how great
Speaker 1: Ohio State football has had and they've never had a
Speaker 1: great NFL quarterback. And part of that is because Ohio State,
Speaker 1: outside of Michigan, has significantly better talent than everybody in
Speaker 1: their conference. Alabama's great even during their run, LSU, Georgia,
Speaker 1: stacked Texas and m didn't have the coach stacked Ohio
Speaker 1: State faces one game a year and they out recruit
Speaker 1: historically Michigan that they're even.
Speaker 2: So c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud five star tackle a lot of time, five star receivers,
Speaker 1: heartline recruits better than anybody in the country at wide receiver.
Speaker 1: So there's a reason Ohio State it's not usc similar
Speaker 1: Matt Lioner, it barely got touched in college. There is
Speaker 1: a reason it's not really living an NFL experience. So CJ. Stroud.
Speaker 1: My thing was, these Ohio State quarterbacks are talented, but god,
Speaker 1: they all put up gigantic numbers, but his accuracy is
Speaker 1: just today he had a coup and now it helps
Speaker 1: Demiko Ian's great coach, Tank Dell. Holy moly, is that
Speaker 1: pick what? So like sometimes you need he's got juice?
Speaker 1: Bryce Young has no jewice Bryce Young. Herbstreet saidate the
Speaker 1: other day, he goes, they ran one offense, they're transitioning
Speaker 1: to another, and they have none of the players, so
Speaker 1: it's going to be really ugly. Some of this for
Speaker 1: Houston is they had a very good offseason. They sign
Speaker 1: in free agency, if you remember John, some B level players,
Speaker 1: and I remember saying on FS one, I was like,
Speaker 1: they're having a quietly They picked up about six seven
Speaker 1: rotational starters, you know, guys that will play. So then
Speaker 1: you head on Tank Dell. So I will say CJ's
Speaker 1: got a little better talent that I think. I think
Speaker 1: Houston's pretty got some juice, don't you think a little bit?
Speaker 2: For sure they've drafted. Well, they're gonna have a ton
Speaker 2: of money. You know, the Cowboys never have any cash
Speaker 2: base to sign free agents because Jerry's always overpaying his
Speaker 2: own guys. If they ever did, people would love to
Speaker 2: go to Texas in no state income text Houston. Now,
Speaker 2: if they can take advantage of these next couple of years,
Speaker 2: could have a chance to kind of load up, make
Speaker 2: some bold trades. They got some picks from the Deshaun
Speaker 2: Watson's thing still coming in, they'd have a chance. They
Speaker 2: got a star coach. I heard what Herbstreet said. The
Speaker 2: only thing I would disagree because I don't disagree that
Speaker 2: their offense looks terrible and their lack of talent, but
Speaker 2: there is a physical characteristic attribute thing at the highest
Speaker 2: level of pro sports that you go. It's gonna be
Speaker 2: difficult for them. So even if they get the right offense,
Speaker 2: they upgrade an offensive coordinator, how they fire Frank and
Speaker 2: get a better coach? When does that what it looks
Speaker 2: like to all of us, how miniscule the guy is
Speaker 2: gonna work. Even if C. J. Stroud hadn't been this good,
Speaker 2: his body type, his movement, we've seen that before. Well,
Speaker 2: just seen anything like Bryce before, and like Bryce coming
Speaker 2: out of Alabama. I'm not trying to act like I'm
Speaker 2: some genius. I thought he was sweet, but it ain't working,
Speaker 2: and it doesn't even look like it has a chance.
Speaker 1: To listen, fran Tarkenton was small, but nobody drafted small
Speaker 1: guys after Fran. It's more of a copycat league now,
Speaker 1: Like that was just a unique player Georgia, fran Tarkanden
Speaker 1: ran around. It was not like seven eight guys drafted
Speaker 1: after it. It was six four six ' five guys
Speaker 1: that could throw the ball down the field did not move.
Speaker 1: The truth is Russell Wilson got, Johnny Manziel drafted, Baker drafted,
Speaker 1: Kyler drafted. He got a lot of these guys drafted.
Speaker 1: And we've watched I think fairly. Even though Russell over
Speaker 1: the last three weeks has been better because they've established
Speaker 1: a run game under Payton, he's lost his juice. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just the bottom line is when you're that
Speaker 1: small in this league, it doesn't take as many hits.
Speaker 1: Christ I saw Cam Newton ben age thirty three. You're like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: that doesn't look anything like it that at twenty nine.
Speaker 1: So it's like Ben got old fast, Cam got old fast.
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's got about three more years of this, yeah,
Speaker 1: and he's for sure and he's six six, two sixty
Speaker 1: so I do think with Bryce and your point on
Speaker 1: Kyler is right. For the record, Kyler's been banged up
Speaker 1: several times. Kyler did not want to run in the
Speaker 1: playoff game. It's like, you know, five ten guys don't
Speaker 1: want to run.
Speaker 2: While I was texting with a college scouting director on
Speaker 2: Thursday night and I or textabout Bryce, he said, you know,
Speaker 2: his comp if he was going to be the best
Speaker 2: version of himself, was gonna be Russell. So the difference
Speaker 2: is Russell weists two hundred and twenty five pounds, yes,
Speaker 2: right when he was young, and he also inherited and
Speaker 2: got to go to a team that immediately had a
Speaker 2: great running back. Because remember early on Russell got to
Speaker 2: grow in the team and had a great defense. But
Speaker 2: Russell's arm is way stronger than Bryce's. Russell had a
Speaker 2: very very strong arm and was thick. That's the thing
Speaker 2: that really concerns me is the size. When you watch CJ. Stroud,
Speaker 2: what he does translates it. Even if he just maintains
Speaker 2: doing what he is, if they do a good enough
Speaker 2: job around him, you get the more athletic Jared Goff
Speaker 2: and the other thing was CJ. A lot of times
Speaker 2: if you have a one off game in college that's
Speaker 2: so much different than everything else You've ever seen a
Speaker 2: lot of times when guys at like Mountain West schools
Speaker 2: and they get to play a big time school and
Speaker 2: are good or bad, you put a lot of emphasis fair,
Speaker 2: not just because the level of comp CJ's game against Georgia,
Speaker 2: You're going, is that who he is? Could he do that?
Speaker 2: But he never had to do that against Iowa and Wisconsin.
Speaker 2: But it turns out can that is him?
Speaker 1: That was herb against Wisconsin they never ran him. And
Speaker 1: Tom Telesco with the Chargers went and said, I asked him,
Speaker 1: why didin't you run him? And they're like, we didn't
Speaker 1: have a backup if he got hurt. We didn't have
Speaker 1: anybody else. Well, that's what Ohio State said, was Stroud.
Speaker 1: We didn't really think we had a guy that would
Speaker 1: We couldn't lose him. So Stroud and Herbert against Wisconsin
Speaker 1: and Georgia, we all went, whll whoaa time out. I
Speaker 1: get that too, So size the arm, the accuracy. So
Speaker 1: I thought it was impressive. Okay, I want to talk.
Speaker 1: Let's talk some Patriots Colts morning game. Not a great
Speaker 1: game to watch, but horrendously bad Mac Jones interception that
Speaker 1: could have won the game for New England, and on
Speaker 1: the following series they put Bailey Zappi in, which is
Speaker 1: a total statement by the organization. Bill O'Brien was harping
Speaker 1: and yelling and screaming on the sideline. I think it
Speaker 1: was third quarter with mac Jones listen. I thought Mac
Speaker 1: had an opportunity. I thought New England was a perfect
Speaker 1: spot for him, play within a system, good defense, run game.
Speaker 1: I thought it worked. He's regressed. I have been told
Speaker 1: that the cheap shot stuff, the Grace and Allen stuff.
Speaker 1: He was called out by an offensive lineman last year
Speaker 1: at practice. They're like, dude, you do that to people,
Speaker 1: They're gonna do that stuff to us. I have also
Speaker 1: been told that Belichick really turned off. They have struggled
Speaker 1: a hard coach him. You know, Brady grew up in
Speaker 1: a big family. You could hard coach Tom Mac is
Speaker 1: not as available to that. He's not willing to be
Speaker 1: as hard. He didn't come from as big a family,
Speaker 1: so coaches have struggled. When they get on him, he
Speaker 1: sort of kind of pivots, pouts, is not kind of
Speaker 1: accepting of it. Tom flourished, loved it. A lot of
Speaker 1: great players do. They like to be coached. Jeors loves it.
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily love that. So that Bailey ZAPPI to me,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if they started Zappy next week.
Speaker 1: But you know, my dad used to say this all
Speaker 1: the time, lubri Kate, don't agitate. Your employment will be based.
Speaker 1: Hands will be raised when you're not in their room.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't think the coaches like him. I don't think
Speaker 1: the teammates like him. I think his judgment is poor.
Speaker 1: You know, judgments.
Speaker 2: It's c J.
Speaker 1: Stroud and maybe it's just his accuracy. But you know,
Speaker 1: I just watch mac Jones on that fourth down he
Speaker 1: short armed it. I mean he looked intimidated, he was backpedaling.
Speaker 1: I thought that play, I thought they may have just
Speaker 1: decided on that play it's done.
Speaker 2: I thought at the beginning of the season that Mac
Speaker 2: Jones is going to get everyone fired. And he's honestly
Speaker 2: been way worse than I imagined it going. And he's
Speaker 2: been objectively the worst, one of the worst quarterbacks in
Speaker 2: the NFL. I mean, the interceptions he throws on a
Speaker 2: consistent basis or just are insane. It's one thing to
Speaker 2: push the ball into a spot when you're you know,
Speaker 2: down late in the game. It's another thing in those
Speaker 2: spots where he's not even close. And whether his confidence
Speaker 2: now has waned, whether it's completely unraveled. But I never
Speaker 2: thought he was that good. I thought drafting a guy
Speaker 2: at fifteen that to me has fourth fifth round attributes.
Speaker 2: You know, It's why you can't take just stats in
Speaker 2: college and just plug him into a spot. Oh, this
Speaker 2: guy's the first rounder because he threws. Look who's thrown to.
Speaker 2: I mean, they had two straight years where all four
Speaker 2: of their wide receivers got drafted in the top fifteen, all
Speaker 2: four wide severs in top fifteen. Think about that. I mean,
Speaker 2: that's I don't think Ohio State has that in the
Speaker 2: bag right now with the group they've just had. So
Speaker 2: and then the COVID year, which he exploded. I think
Speaker 2: one thing we learned and you saw that today. Trevor
Speaker 2: Lawrence today was standing. That year fooled us all. Zach Wilson,
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, Trey Lance didn't play. We still don't know
Speaker 2: what the hell Justin fields is, but I think it's
Speaker 2: fair to say we're leaning He's not gonna be the
Speaker 2: quarterback of the Bear. So that was wrong. But that
Speaker 2: year specifically for Alabia, I mean, they had such an advantage.
Speaker 2: The schools were shut down. Albama didn't shut down. They
Speaker 2: never stopped lifting, they never stopped training. That was in
Speaker 2: the peak of their powers. They were going through quarterbacks.
Speaker 2: They had a bunch of cohesion. They had a bunch
Speaker 2: of high character guys like Landon Dickerson and will Anderson
Speaker 2: leading the charge, and DeVante Smith was around who was
Speaker 2: like the heartbeat of the team. It was built like
Speaker 2: an NFL team. You know what Saban's doing right now,
Speaker 2: They're about to go eleven and one is incredible because
Speaker 2: they don't have the talent like that team winning like
Speaker 2: he was stacked. He had a squad and I think
Speaker 2: mac Jones. It's just one of those classic you look
Speaker 2: back in college really benefited from it. And let's face it,
Speaker 2: Belichick was desperate because when Tom left, which Bill was
Speaker 2: clearly forcing him out, which listen, Bill copied Walsh. He
Speaker 2: did the same thing. The difference is Walsh always had
Speaker 2: a replacement around Bill just get out of here. Jimmy
Speaker 2: was already gone. What the hell was he gonna do.
Speaker 2: He played the one year with Cam Newton, who was
Speaker 2: a shell of himself. He got into a situation in
Speaker 2: the draft where he didn't have a choice, and he
Speaker 2: drafts the guy at fifteen. He's just not good enough
Speaker 2: and he's definitely not good enough to overcome average to
Speaker 2: below average around him. And that's what their offensive lines
Speaker 2: hit or miss. Skilled guy's a wide receiver. Bill the
Speaker 2: GM is let Bill down the coach big time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think some of it is this.
Speaker 1: So Bill lost the best player ever, Brady, the best
Speaker 1: tight end arguably ever, Gronk, the best offensive line coach
Speaker 1: arguably ever, Dante Scarnekia, and Josh McDaniels high end oc
Speaker 1: in a two year period. The truth is that's just
Speaker 1: too much brain power the opposite side of the ball. Now,
Speaker 1: Sean McVay lost Bobby Wagner Jalen Ramsey. What if he'd
Speaker 1: lost Aaron Donald and Raheem Morris, an excellent assistant left
Speaker 1: This ram defense would be awful. Thank god Donald can
Speaker 1: still play and Raheem Morris is a tremendous coordinator. Bill
Speaker 1: lost the best quarterback, tight end, o line coach. And
Speaker 1: it's the other side of the ball. And so you know,
Speaker 1: to some degree Shanahan this year after sla and Demko Ryans,
Speaker 1: I don't think Steve Wilkes is quite as good as
Speaker 1: those twos. And even who is the personnel, the defense
Speaker 1: isn't the same. So you know, it'd be easy to
Speaker 1: bash Belichick, but when you lose multiple if you would
Speaker 1: have lost Demiko Ryans, Bosa, Fred Warner and Hafunga, that
Speaker 1: defense isn't the same.
Speaker 2: The other thing is everyone's shitting on Bill because it
Speaker 2: was all Tom, and obviously Tom played a huge role.
Speaker 2: There is no coach in the Hall of Fame beside
Speaker 2: Parcels who had the Hall of Fame quarterback of defense
Speaker 2: in Lawrence Taylor, Walsh, the home grin Andy. They all
Speaker 2: have incredible Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Now Belichick seventy one,
Speaker 2: seventy two years old, well, let's face it, this thing's over.
Speaker 2: You're not going to transition whenever I hear we'll bring
Speaker 2: in a personnel guy. So a seventy two year old
Speaker 2: that's made hundreds of millions of dollars, who's been doing this,
Speaker 2: who's been in the NFL since nineteen seventy five, it's
Speaker 2: just gonna yeah, just bringing this forty three year old
Speaker 2: assistant GM from San Francisco and he can picked the
Speaker 2: players all coach like, that's not working this thing. Listen,
Speaker 2: this was never gonna be easy. It's always ugly at
Speaker 2: the end. Phil Jackson with the Knicks, I know he
Speaker 2: was an executive, the same thing. It just it. Usually
Speaker 2: you don't get a Swan song, you don't write off.
Speaker 2: Usually it's Gardner Minshew kicking your ass in Germany. And
Speaker 2: I know mac Jones thrown picks, and this is it.
Speaker 2: I think it's over. And I think Robert, I don't
Speaker 2: know exactly know how they're gonna word it, mutual, depart firing.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine Belichick being the head coach in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. I can't because I don't. I don't think
Speaker 2: he's gonna be open to changing. And they're if you're them,
Speaker 2: why even bring Let's just start start new. I do
Speaker 2: think you could trade them. Couldn't you trade them for
Speaker 2: just a pick, give him another spot to Washington or Chicago,
Speaker 2: or take the contract, take Bill for a couple of
Speaker 2: years and see if he's got nothing left.
Speaker 1: Hey, Trey Lance, we're not sure he can play a
Speaker 1: lick got a fourth round pick. You can get a
Speaker 1: fourth round pick out of mac Jones. Again, I think
Speaker 1: if Bill retired and they hired Ben Jonson from the
Speaker 1: Lions and hit or went and bought like a DeVante Adams.
Speaker 2: I think you have a nine win team.
Speaker 1: It looks a lot different. Not great, But I do
Speaker 1: think some of this is brain power out of the building.
Speaker 1: Bill's gonna do things his way. They do not have
Speaker 1: a number one receiver. I'd argue they don't have a two.
Speaker 1: They've got they've they've got a bunch of guys. They
Speaker 1: don't have a number one tight end. The O line
Speaker 1: is really young and for one of the rare times
Speaker 1: hurt a lot. I mean they drafted three guards. They
Speaker 1: hurt a lot. So I think mac Jones I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think Trey Lance can play in this league.
Speaker 1: I think mac Jones can at a lower level eighteenth
Speaker 1: best quarterback, but I think he can play. But I
Speaker 1: do think right now.
Speaker 2: But do you think Bill's coaching somewhere else next year?
Speaker 2: Do you think?
Speaker 1: No, He's got a compound in Nantucket, He's got one
Speaker 1: hundred million net worth. He's not a spender. You know,
Speaker 1: he's got his dog, his girlfriend, he's got his nantucket.
Speaker 1: Probably he's got a place, probably down in Jupiter FLOORID
Speaker 1: or something like that. Bill likes to golf, and frankly
Speaker 1: it'd be different. There are some coaches who can pivot
Speaker 1: from coaching to the front office. Parcels in Miami took
Speaker 1: a one and fifteen team and won eleven games, basically
Speaker 1: replacing the bottom third of his roster. You know, gave
Speaker 1: Tony Sparano the gig and they want eleven games.
Speaker 2: That's not really Bellich hat Riley did it? You know
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: Abs Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that's Phil
Speaker 1: Jackson's strength.
Speaker 2: Bill's not good at it. Bill's not good at identify.
Speaker 2: I had a personnel guy telling me the problem Bill
Speaker 2: has is when it gets closer and closer to his
Speaker 2: draft day, he doesn't listen to anybody. And then that
Speaker 2: last week he gets on the phone and calls his
Speaker 2: buddies that are all the head coaches, and then just
Speaker 2: goes in on guys that the people in the building are. Bill,
Speaker 2: We've spent all this time working, you were in agreement,
Speaker 2: and then you pivot last second, what are we doing?
Speaker 1: That was that's what I heard happened with Nikhil Harry.
Speaker 1: He called Herm Edwards and it was like the scouts,
Speaker 1: you know, the guys were like, no, that's a third round,
Speaker 1: that's a late second and he called Herm. And by
Speaker 1: the way, they've got some Bama guys. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you go look urban guy Bama guys, it's your source.
Speaker 1: I'm sure as accurate because I heard on Nikhil Harriet
Speaker 1: was like the scouting department pushed back, and to.
Speaker 2: Me, there's nothing wrong in using the coaches, like, for example,
Speaker 2: the Niners with Brandon Ayuk. He ran really slow at
Speaker 2: the combine, but they liked them, so they leaned on
Speaker 2: Herm Edwards, who was like the godfather to John Lynch's son.
Speaker 2: And Herm's like, I'm telling you he's fast. You can
Speaker 2: don't worry about that speed. But they didn't trust him
Speaker 2: for the evaluation of picking him. They just trust him
Speaker 2: as a source to supplement some things that they wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure they were right on. Where Bill just
Speaker 2: changes the draft board on his own, Dan Snyder style
Speaker 2: goes rogue. All of a sudden, you have a guy
Speaker 2: drafted in the third and fifth round that were undrafted
Speaker 2: free agents and the personnel department's like, what was the
Speaker 2: point of our last twelve months? And ultimately Bill doesn't
Speaker 2: give a shit about them. It's why a lot of
Speaker 2: guys the moment they could get out left. The other
Speaker 2: thing is it was fun when you were winning. You're like,
Speaker 2: you know, he's miserable. We don't make as much here,
Speaker 2: but you're winning rings. It'll set you up for life.
Speaker 2: Those days are over. And as you saw that, it's
Speaker 2: I expect Robert Kraft because what would Bill what was
Speaker 2: he always known for being ruthless a year early instead
Speaker 2: of a year late. They could copy that from Walsh.
Speaker 2: That was the way he ran the franchise for twenty
Speaker 2: plus years. Why wouldn't the Crafts do that with him? Right?
Speaker 2: They've paid him an ungodly amount of money. Firings at
Speaker 2: this point are never easy. But he's got fifty three
Speaker 2: you're talking about seventy two year old guy. I mean,
Speaker 2: he's got two and a half decades, which unheard of
Speaker 2: in football.
Speaker 1: All Right, Cowboys Giants are last NFL thoughts. Listen, I
Speaker 1: think I had this belief. It's a theory, and I
Speaker 1: think it's right. Is that Brian day Ball and Joe
Speaker 1: Shine the GM. They didn't want to give Daniel Jones
Speaker 1: that money. They didn't want to Mara feeling he had
Speaker 1: an Eli Manning feel he almost look alike. He's a
Speaker 1: better athlete, but they look alike. So he makes a decision.
Speaker 1: He can't fire day Ball or the GM. He can't.
Speaker 1: It's his decision. So it's like they always say in divorces,
Speaker 1: whoever wants the divorce, there's a psychology that person that
Speaker 1: wants to divorce feels guilty. You can get a better
Speaker 1: deal of the divorce hearings and proceedings because the person
Speaker 1: who wants the divorce can often feel guilty. I think
Speaker 1: the Mars know John Marrono's I stuck these guys and
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do. So I think everybody's safe
Speaker 1: in New York. I like Dable a lot. I like
Speaker 1: the GM. I think he's had he didn't draft Daniel
Speaker 1: Jones and Dallas. I mean Dallas was the best pick
Speaker 1: on the board probably today. I mean, they play that's
Speaker 1: a great home favorite. They they are great with the lead,
Speaker 1: they're great playing downhill. They're what Buffalo was about two
Speaker 1: years ago. Buffalo now they.
Speaker 2: As scored the Giants this year, calling by seventy five points,
Speaker 2: I think six.
Speaker 1: But by playing this kid, they they're at two wins.
Speaker 1: So the Bears have Carolina's pick. Carolina plays a lot
Speaker 1: of home games against Tampa in Atlanta. Yeah, schedules. We
Speaker 1: think they may play Green Bay. I think Caroline is
Speaker 1: gonna win enough game. They beat Houston, but I kind
Speaker 1: of look at the Giants and I don't know if
Speaker 1: they win another football game. Maybe they do, but I
Speaker 1: think it's really clear now. I think they're going to
Speaker 1: draft the quarterback. The question becomes bo Nicks feels like
Speaker 1: he's sort of separated. Pennix has the injuries, that Bow's
Speaker 1: your third pick now. Jalen Daniels at LSU, I think
Speaker 1: he has moved from second round to first. I think
Speaker 1: he's moved into the first round. People think he's frail.
Speaker 1: My takeaway is, I don't know. I watch him run,
Speaker 1: I watch him throw, high school, college, two conferences. It
Speaker 1: works everywhere. Hard coaches, by the way, herm defensive guy,
Speaker 1: Kelly the Screamer, it works everywhere. But if Caleb and
Speaker 1: Drake and I believe they're top two, I think Bow
Speaker 1: has cemented himself he makes no mistakes again, to conference dominant,
Speaker 1: to conference success, he's third. You don't want to get
Speaker 1: into a bidding war, but I started looking last week
Speaker 1: at all those teams at the top. I can argue
Speaker 1: Giants if they don't beat New England when they when
Speaker 1: they meet, Giants have maybe one more win. I think
Speaker 1: they're going to draft a quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there. I wrote down obviously the Eagles
Speaker 2: and they play at the Saints as a loss. The
Speaker 2: Pats game and the Packers game, those are huge swings.
Speaker 2: I don't think the Packers are winning many more games
Speaker 2: and clear the Pats. So those three matchups of Packers
Speaker 2: Giants Pats Giants are gonna have enormous implications because, like
Speaker 2: you say, Carolina's defense actually pretty solid. They got some
Speaker 2: pretty good personnel. If Bryce has a good day or
Speaker 2: maybe two over the last two months, they could win
Speaker 2: a couple games. Still, they would be my betting favorite.
Speaker 2: I would say the Pats and the Giants. I mean,
Speaker 2: Giants are really if they roll up. If Tommy DeVito
Speaker 2: starts every they will lose every game. To me, Tyrod Taylor,
Speaker 2: if he ever were to come back, he would be
Speaker 2: a little bit of a while. If the Vito starts
Speaker 2: every game, they will not win.
Speaker 1: But if bone Knicks is your third, I think it
Speaker 1: creates a And I'm feeling this more and more. I
Speaker 1: text two people this weekend because Jordan Palmer told me Friday.
Speaker 1: I heard he said Bonix is your third. And I
Speaker 1: text two people over the weekend and they were both like,
Speaker 1: just don't go to the Auburn tape. This kid's an athlete,
Speaker 1: he's married, he's accurate, he's decisive. Some of it's Oregon scheming.
Speaker 1: But I think now I if I think the Giants
Speaker 1: have the fifth or six pick, I'll say that Giants
Speaker 1: Patriot game, don't be shocked if the Patriots start Bailey's appy.
Speaker 2: Well, to me, the Giants feel like Drake may, don't
Speaker 2: They that organization that feel, you know, Caleb, some of
Speaker 2: the previous stuff, I can see John Mora getting a
Speaker 2: little too high and mighty on it. But I would
Speaker 2: say that losing out makes a lot of sense for them.
Speaker 2: Losing out makes a lot of sense for the Pats too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I think these quarterbacks going three. I do
Speaker 2: think that the discussion for the top quarterback Listen, Caleb's
Speaker 2: really really talented is definitely in play depending on who
Speaker 2: you talk to. He is not thirty two for thirty
Speaker 2: two number one. This is not Trevor Lawrence, Ran Andrew
Speaker 2: Luck That. I don't know every GM in the league
Speaker 2: or every scouting director, but you get a lot. You
Speaker 2: just talked to five different people, you get different opinions.
Speaker 2: So and the bow Nicks is another good example, right,
Speaker 2: kind of a late bloomer. And that's what happens. This
Speaker 2: is a stock right as you play games, you can
Speaker 2: increase your stock. Jayden Daniels, I'm sitting there on my
Speaker 2: couch watching this Florida game, going, holy shit. This guy's
Speaker 2: running around like he's Michael Vick throwing dimes down the field.
Speaker 2: You said, the knock on him is frail. A guy
Speaker 2: that weighs one hundred and seventy five pounds, that's five
Speaker 2: ft nine, just got drafted number one overall. So you
Speaker 2: tell me Jayden Daniels at LSU and the sec same
Speaker 2: thing as bright, like, can't go in the top ten.
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, well, and this is something to
Speaker 1: think about, is that. Here's the one thing I'll say
Speaker 1: about and I think Caleb's really unique talent. But Oregon State.
Speaker 1: Last year he sort of pouted on the sidelines, the
Speaker 1: fingernail stuff, crying after the game, and he is now
Speaker 1: a little bit of his hero ball is the old
Speaker 1: line has. Oh, they're huge, huge disappointment for USC. They
Speaker 1: thought they had four NFL guys. It's been a no.
Speaker 1: It's not their defense. Bet, it's been a problem. Somebody
Speaker 1: gets through in every snap, Somebody misses a block in
Speaker 1: every snap.
Speaker 2: There was yellow in the backfield every play last night,
Speaker 2: every play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Oregon's wouldn't have been a recruiting five star guy.
Speaker 1: Oregon is the one program over the last ten years
Speaker 1: with Crystal Ball and Landing. They'll go to LA and
Speaker 1: they'll steal the best player in the state. They'll take
Speaker 1: it right from USC. So Oregon's got better players. They
Speaker 1: got better players than Washington, Utah, USC, UCLA. Oregon's got
Speaker 1: the best players in the conference. They can match up
Speaker 1: with everybody, including Michigan in my opinion, wouldn't beat it,
Speaker 1: but could match up. But I when I look at Caleb,
Speaker 1: I think the knock on him because I've texted people
Speaker 1: and asked him. They're like, hey, he's a highly emotional player.
Speaker 1: So is Mahomes, and Mahomes is saved because of Andy Reid.
Speaker 1: When he goes off the fairway, Andy brings him back.
Speaker 1: And what somebody texted me the league is, if he
Speaker 1: gets the right coach, he'll be fine. Got a Sean Payton,
Speaker 1: he goes to Chicago, gets a rookie coach, you know,
Speaker 1: because they have Carolina's pick. You're like, okay, you trust Chicago,
Speaker 1: you trust the rookie coach. So the take on Caleb
Speaker 1: is if he gets a coach that a respected guy
Speaker 1: that can bark a little, it'll be fine. He's just
Speaker 1: too damn talented. I mean, he's a power thrower. At
Speaker 1: six and a half feet tall, he's a power thrower,
Speaker 1: but he does go I mean, what would Mahomes be
Speaker 1: like with Brandon Staley, who can't get the defense right now?
Speaker 1: He'd be productive. But Herbert's pretty easy to coach. John
Speaker 1: He's almost mechanical. He's I mean literally he is just
Speaker 1: every throw looks the exact same. Mahomes goes off the rails.
Speaker 1: You know every year he get like he did it
Speaker 1: against Denver. I'm gonna just make stuff up and play
Speaker 1: flag football. Andy. Next half he plays against Miami reels
Speaker 1: him right back in. So I think Caleb is more
Speaker 1: coach dependent than I thought that he could go sideways
Speaker 1: with the wrong guy in a Chicago.
Speaker 2: I think anytime that your team kind of gets unraveled
Speaker 2: in college, people start asking questions. And I do think
Speaker 2: it's a healthy thing sometimes to really dive in to
Speaker 2: a prospect. I've said this the whole time. He's not
Speaker 2: a flawless process. This isn't Lebron James coming out of
Speaker 2: high school, or Bryce Harper in the draft or what
Speaker 2: Andrew luck was. He's under six feet tall, so there
Speaker 2: would just be questions even if it had gone perfectly
Speaker 2: in USC was undefeated, obviously, I mean they're programs and shambles.
Speaker 2: Can I give you a take? Yeah, I don't think
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley really works in LA. I think they may.
Speaker 2: I have no problem. Oh I like that, Like they
Speaker 2: shouldn't have done it. They should have hired him. It
Speaker 2: was a no brainer. You had to buy his house
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty million, given where they were. But USC,
Speaker 2: let's face it, when they had Pete Carroll a lot
Speaker 2: of juice, Like it's an energy place, right, it's a
Speaker 2: bright lights. It's like Vegas it's just you need to entertain.
Speaker 2: And Lincoln is more Texas, more Oklahoma, Texas A and
Speaker 2: M job opening. I actually think he fits more that
Speaker 2: culture's where he's from, both pressure cookers, which now he's
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma. But I would say A and M and
Speaker 2: USC are a little probably more rabid, a little crazier,
Speaker 2: obviously more money. I think that job makes more sense
Speaker 2: than him at USC now. I don't have a great
Speaker 2: replacement Lane Kiffin actually more bright lights. Guy is open
Speaker 2: to whatever, can just kind of handle some shit, is
Speaker 2: not afraid to talk. I don't know there's something missing
Speaker 2: with Lincoln in that market. I mean, he's in your backyard.
Speaker 2: He is a good coach. I'm not just trying to
Speaker 2: act like he's a village idiot now because he's had
Speaker 2: a rough year. But I don't think you really think
Speaker 2: it's working. And I don't see a quick fix. And
Speaker 2: if they wouldn't have had Caleb, who is just an
Speaker 2: all time great college player, we'll see how great his
Speaker 2: NFL career is. I think they're like a four win team.
Speaker 2: I mean they are terrible. Colin the last night would
Speaker 2: have been they wouldn't have moved the ball. I mean
Speaker 2: they would have had No. I don't think he works,
Speaker 2: and I think A and M and who knows. Maybe
Speaker 2: they don't have money because they're paying Jim Moo seventy
Speaker 2: five million. They have to hire the duke guy for
Speaker 2: cheap whatever, just to get the train back on the tracks.
Speaker 2: I just think he makes more sense. I've always had
Speaker 2: a theory geographically in college, Urban's an outlier. He went
Speaker 2: to the south and ward for the most part. Our
Speaker 2: buddy mcawaine went to Florida, was having some success. They
Speaker 2: ran him out of town. Think of the guys in
Speaker 2: the south. Kirby Nick grew up in West Virginia, like
Speaker 2: where your region's Matt Think about the northeast. The guy
Speaker 2: Ryan Day feels like an Ohio state Northeast guy. Jim
Speaker 2: Harbaugh went to Michigan. The west. Think of the guys
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll, West Coast guy, Chris Peterson, West Coast guy, Ballotti, Tedford.
Speaker 2: I think regions matter, and I think I look at
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, I just feel he's out of place. I
Speaker 2: just feel he's out of place.
Speaker 1: No, it's interesting. He got very prickly with the media
Speaker 1: and it was like, dude, this is not Norman. There's
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to do. If you look at
Speaker 1: the history of Los Angeles, think about the managers or
Speaker 1: coaches that were successful. Tommy lasorda very successful Phil pat Riley,
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, Sean McVay. These are big personalities. They steal
Speaker 1: some of the glamour from their team. Don't hog it,
Speaker 1: but they are. I mean, Pete's like media get in here,
Speaker 1: Snoop dogg La is a big city Riley, the McVeigh,
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. They feel like they're big city guys. They
Speaker 1: can handle it.
Speaker 2: New York.
Speaker 1: I watched when I lived out in Connecticut, New York
Speaker 1: in Golf's people. Joe Judge was engulfed. Joe Tory is
Speaker 1: kind of a good looking made his money parcels, a
Speaker 1: little bit of an attitude. Tom Coughlin smart, going to
Speaker 1: pushback New York. There's a toughness in New York. I mean,
Speaker 1: Joe Tory wasn't great day one, right he had he
Speaker 1: was doing Angel games. He had think he had a
Speaker 1: losing record. If I recall when he took over, so
Speaker 1: he'd been through the wars of Major League Baseball. Tory
Speaker 1: was a grown ass man like he nobody was gonna
Speaker 1: push Joe around. And I think in New York there's
Speaker 1: a toughness and you have to have a thick skin
Speaker 1: and you have to push back because Boston falls in
Speaker 1: love with everybody when they arrive. And even if you're
Speaker 1: Ted Williams, they hate you when you leave. New York
Speaker 1: tests you, and if you can pass the test, they
Speaker 1: love you for life. So they're the opposite of Boston.
Speaker 1: There's no Boston sort of sucks up to you. You
Speaker 1: came and love us, We love you. Then they hate
Speaker 1: everybody New York once you win the crowd, Parcels is
Speaker 1: minted for life. Los Angeles is funny and I'm no
Speaker 1: expert on Los Angeles. Lives here eight years. You know,
Speaker 1: we both know Los Angeles pretty well, but the guys
Speaker 1: that work here sort of embrace Los Angeles. Don't close
Speaker 1: your practices. I remember talking to urban Meyer one time
Speaker 1: privately about the USC job, and I said, this is
Speaker 1: not Gainesville. Can't close your practices, like we'll just do
Speaker 1: other shit. We won't go to your practice, like like
Speaker 1: I like Chip Kelly, but he's apathetic. He didn't like recruiting,
Speaker 1: and so UCLA is invisible. Like he doesn't play it up.
Speaker 2: He's not Wait, he hates it. I mean he won't
Speaker 2: do it. He refuses. You know, it's part of it.
Speaker 2: I think you got to do it.
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes with Lincoln it's this sort of Hey,
Speaker 1: I want to control stuff, like like he did a
Speaker 1: lot of this this year. Hey we're close. It's not
Speaker 1: that bad, Lincoln. This is a sophisticated market. People here
Speaker 1: bail on you. I mean outside of the Dodgers and Lakers,
Speaker 1: people bail on teams. Here, they bail on you fast.
Speaker 1: He's trying to sell us something like like like it's Oklahoma,
Speaker 1: Like it's the only thing we have. Dude, Alex Grinch
Speaker 1: over his head. I was watching the Lions Chargers today.
Speaker 1: I'm like, did Alex Grinch get hired?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? It doesn't work. So I
Speaker 1: do think I like Lincoln, but don't try to sell
Speaker 1: la on this sort of Hey we're close. Where that No,
Speaker 1: this looks like Clayton, That's what it looks like.
Speaker 2: Well, think about the fifty year old guy goes Lincoln.
Speaker 2: I watched Pete Carroll's team. They had ten out of
Speaker 2: their eleven starters were always top three round draft picks.
Speaker 2: I know what tackling looks like. Where at Oklahoma they
Speaker 2: were so glad to have a dynamic offense, right, he
Speaker 2: revolutionized them. They needed him. It's like, hey, Lincoln, we
Speaker 2: won national titles here, We've produced first round offensive players
Speaker 2: many times. You're not gonna be the first guy to
Speaker 2: send a guy in from this program to get drafted
Speaker 2: number one. Overall, we've had some quarterbacks along the way.
Speaker 2: Just walk through hard to Chaull and I think he
Speaker 2: really struggled at understanding. It's like Lebron, like, we're comparing
Speaker 2: you to Kobe, not some other person. This is hard.
Speaker 2: It is difficult play for the forty nine ers like
Speaker 2: Joe Montana, Steve Young. That's that's the barrior. And I
Speaker 2: just think there is a where you grow up dictates
Speaker 2: your personality. And listen, I got along in the East
Speaker 2: Coast because I can be edgy and yeah, sometimes my
Speaker 2: personality relates to the Philly, New York guy, but at
Speaker 2: my core, I can also have the Californi and you
Speaker 2: chill like, that's what I grew up around for eighteen
Speaker 2: years being in Sacramento, California. Lincoln grew up. I don't
Speaker 2: know the exact city, but somewhere in Texas. Then he
Speaker 2: went to Lubbock. It's ingrained, and then he spent all
Speaker 2: that time at Oklahoma. I understand they gave him so
Speaker 2: much money. It was an incredible opportunity. I just don't like, Okay,
Speaker 2: Caleb Leeve, what are they gonna do? Like, by the way,
Speaker 2: he's gonna be way better next year, I don't see it.
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing in his offense, which which isn't
Speaker 1: sort of the There there are elements of Mike Leech's offense,
Speaker 1: but it's not for sure air raid. That top defensive
Speaker 1: coordinators they don't they don't want to work for a
Speaker 1: coach like that because I mean, look at look at
Speaker 1: the history of defensive coordinators of something that looks like
Speaker 1: the air raid, their career goes into the can. So
Speaker 1: it's I don't think. I mean, there's there's that guy
Speaker 1: that's at Oklahoma State. Derek Mason's a good coordinator. In
Speaker 1: San Diego State has a good one. But when you
Speaker 1: start spreading the ball out, a lot of these defensive
Speaker 1: coordinators they want to be head coaches. They don't want
Speaker 1: an offensive coach. They want physicality, and you know that's
Speaker 1: why by the way, hardball his gut. That's why Urban,
Speaker 1: that's why Nick Saban. He gets great coordinator, lose him,
Speaker 1: get another because that style, that physicality for a defensive coordinator.
Speaker 1: It feels like the NFL, like Lincoln's offense. Lincoln doesn't.
Speaker 1: That's not the NFL. That's college and I think it's
Speaker 1: gonna be a hard and plus usc LA's expensive. What
Speaker 1: do you gotta pay a guy here two and a
Speaker 1: half million? They're not gonna pay that for a DC.
Speaker 2: No, because they make one point eight two in the SEC,
Speaker 2: which is dramatically cheap or less taxes to live. So
Speaker 2: I'm with you, And the other thing is listen, you
Speaker 2: and I will both make fun of the Big Ten.
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're speed beside, like Ohio State and Michigan, But
Speaker 2: that is a physical conference. And if Lincoln has a quarterback,
Speaker 2: that's not a top two round and maybe a fourth
Speaker 2: round or one year. If you're at your team the physicality,
Speaker 2: you're gonna run into some losses on the road if
Speaker 2: you don't have the ethos of be a tough and
Speaker 2: physical team and the way you practice. Clearly we've seen
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma now at US he's not even debatable. You're
Speaker 2: just not gonna be a tough team. So the only
Speaker 2: way to win is to just out recruit everybody, and
Speaker 2: that's he's gonna recruit itself. But Dan Lanning's recruiting his
Speaker 2: ass off. We know a lot of state recruits his
Speaker 2: ass off. We'll see what you know, Harbaugh. I mean,
Speaker 2: do you think Harbay's gonna leave now? With all this
Speaker 2: going on? He's kind of a wild card. You know.
Speaker 1: The NFL is tough man Chicago. Everybody says, oh Chicago,
Speaker 1: they have the oldest and one of the poorest owners.
Speaker 2: That's it. They're gonna pa him fifteen million. I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then you start looking around at all the Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, if Brandon Staley left, then it's really really attractive.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: But the last great job was Matt Lafleur getting Aaron
Speaker 1: Rodgers kind of late prime but prime. McCarthy getting dak
Speaker 1: Zeke and that all line. That's a hell of a job.
Speaker 1: The Chargers with three pass rushers left tackle the center.
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good job. But let me tell you something,
Speaker 1: there gonna be a lot of want that job in
Speaker 1: the Spanos family never spent that kind of money, never
Speaker 1: on a coach, but.
Speaker 2: Would and Dean would he be willing because they went
Speaker 2: through it a little bit with AJ Smith and Marty
Speaker 2: and Harbaugh's way crazier than that version of Marty. But
Speaker 2: Marty was a big personality. Wasn't just into super ideas
Speaker 2: from everybody starting with the owner. And Harbaugh definitely isn't
Speaker 2: just coming into a think tank on a weekly basis. Oh,
Speaker 2: Dean and your sons. You feed me with some information.
Speaker 2: So it's more than just paying him. It's more just
Speaker 2: do you want to deal with them? And you've been
Speaker 2: talking about this at Michigan. He's he guarantees you to win.
Speaker 2: He's four for four, but there is more that comes
Speaker 2: with it. And let's face it, these owners are so
Speaker 2: rich now you know, It's like I could win with Harbab,
Speaker 2: but I'd rather try to find someone else for a
Speaker 2: little cheaper and then listen.
Speaker 1: I don't think that the sons are vital in the
Speaker 1: front office. I do not think the Spanoss would hire Harbor.
Speaker 1: I think they'd give it to Kellen Moore on a
Speaker 1: cheap idel and he could, he could succeed. I think
Speaker 1: he's bright. I think they're very good red zone team
Speaker 1: now they weren't a good red zon own team last year.
Speaker 1: They are a good red zone team. They were a
Speaker 1: bad second half offense last year. They're a good second
Speaker 1: half offense. A Kellen Moore is clearly working. And by
Speaker 1: the way, that was with Mike Williams. They don't have
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, so I mean that's Mike's a big, big
Speaker 1: downfield target. That's why they drafted Quentin Johnston. You know,
Speaker 1: Mike was getting older, getting beat up. So it's all
Speaker 1: very fun, Okay, john middle cough three and out. We're
Speaker 1: gonna do an hour now on Sundays, closer to it
Speaker 1: because we get great feedback. We see the numbers, and Buddy,
Speaker 1: this was just a lot of fun. I love this man.
Speaker 2: Well, we watched football weekend, Colin, we might as well
Speaker 2: talk about it, right, all right, man?
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