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Speaker 1: close to it with John middlecof former NFL scout three

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Speaker 1: here on Jim Harbaugh. My thoughts before I get into

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Speaker 1: I thought, what the Big Ten did you know as

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Speaker 1: goes sort of against what the Big Ten handbook says

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Speaker 1: on cases like this. But I thought there were multiple

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Speaker 1: things in that game. Jim Harbaugh's teams, I believe now

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Speaker 1: It is dependent on his personality and culture, which creates resiliency,

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Speaker 1: road decisively when he's not there. Big ups for Jim Harbaugh.

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Speaker 1: I also thought running twenty six straight times in the

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Speaker 1: It was about saying, we don't even have to throw

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Speaker 1: In the NFL, coaches have to deal with wacko, impulsive,

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Speaker 1: And I think Big ten fans think by adding Michigan, Washington, Oregon,

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Speaker 1: But the truth is for him to continue to win

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Speaker 2: mindset and mixing and blending them together. The physicality with

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Speaker 2: that kind of outlook on the sport of football. That's

424
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Speaker 2: like the Lions, I mean, cal they're looking like a

425
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Speaker 2: thirteen or fourteen win. The Detroit Lions winning thirteen fourteen games. Yeah, insane.

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Speaker 1: Vikings don't have a quarterback right now. For the future,

427
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Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins won't be it. Bears don't say what you

428
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Speaker 1: want about Jordan Love, that's not it, and they'll probably

429
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Speaker 1: stick with him for another year. So this is one

430
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Speaker 1: of these things where they could become the Packers. Packers

431
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Speaker 1: always had good old lines, above average quarterback play, good

432
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Speaker 1: enough weapons, not always great defenses. Favi an Erin rarely

433
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Speaker 1: had great defenses, right, But this to me, they always

434
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Speaker 1: had good front offices. I think the front office. I

435
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Speaker 1: think they've really done a good job in the front

436
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Speaker 1: office where their top picks especially, they've hit home runs.

437
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Speaker 1: And they've also been much like their playing style, they've

438
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Speaker 1: been hyper aggressive as drafters, running back at twelve, linebackers

439
00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 1: like a nineteen eighty eight draft, and running backs linebackers.

440
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Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I I don't know. It's

441
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 1: like Baltimore has that with me. Baltimore went and drafted

442
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Speaker 1: a safety in a center in the first round. You know,

443
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Speaker 1: two positions you generally go later. But if you have

444
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Speaker 1: self belief, I think Detroit does. They're in a good

445
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Speaker 1: spot all right. San Francisco annihilates Jacksonville. So there are

446
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,600
Speaker 1: these moments. There are certain things in the NFL that

447
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,280
Speaker 1: are true. Andy Reid on a buye, Shanahan rested healthy

448
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:26,760
Speaker 1: team on a bye. Should we look at this for Jacksonville.

449
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Speaker 1: I'm a little bothered by it because it's okay if

450
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Speaker 1: a Seattle or Detroit plays Lamar Jackson. There's nothing in

451
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Speaker 1: the league like him. NFC teams have no idea. He's

452
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Speaker 1: like seventeen in one. But you're at home, you were rested,

453
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Speaker 1: you were healthy. That game was never competitive like I

454
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Speaker 1: and I have been a huge Jags fan, I gotta

455
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Speaker 1: be honest with you. I didn't like what I saw.

456
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Speaker 2: I think it was a perfect storm. I wouldn't put

457
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Speaker 2: the stamp of approval that this Jags team is going

458
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Speaker 2: to go to the AFC Championship game, but I'm going

459
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 2: to give him a little bit. Throw that thing in

460
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 2: the trash can. They got the forty nine ers coming

461
00:25:03,280 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 2: off three losses. Their John Lynch said last week their

462
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,040
Speaker 2: team looked like they were running with concrete in their shoes.

463
00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 2: They looked so slow. They were desperate for a buye.

464
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Speaker 2: Everyone needed to take a deep breath. Their defensive line,

465
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Speaker 2: Colin was really underachieving. You know, when the Yankees lose,

466
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:20,560
Speaker 2: they're paying all their hitters to hit home runs. When

467
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Speaker 2: they don't hit them runs, you're just gonna lose. When

468
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Speaker 2: the forty nine ers don't stack the quarterback. The amount

469
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Speaker 2: of money they have. The highest paid defensive lineman in

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Speaker 2: the league in Bosa, they gave Hard Grave forty you know,

471
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Speaker 2: twenty million dollars a year, forty guaranteed this offseason. The

472
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: highest paid free agent defensive linemen, they just trade for

473
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Speaker 2: Chase Young. Eric Armstead makes sixteen million dollars a year.

474
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Speaker 2: They're all in on that group. When that group doesn't dominate,

475
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Speaker 2: and I know statistically they were like leading the league

476
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Speaker 2: in pressures, it did not look the same when I

477
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Speaker 2: witnessed today. Nick Bosa is a good example. He was

478
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Speaker 2: statistically pressures wise, having a good year. When you watched him,

479
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Speaker 2: you went, he doesn't look like TJ. Watt and Miles

480
00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,240
Speaker 2: Garrett right now. Because a great pass rusher, it doesn't

481
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Speaker 2: matter what you throw at him, right That's why Belichick

482
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 2: always pushes back when people compare someone to Lawrence Taylor.

483
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 2: You could throw seven people at him. He's hung over,

484
00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 2: He's still sacking the quarterback. So there are no excuses.

485
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,639
Speaker 2: Now you put Chase Young over there. Nick Bosta look

486
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Speaker 2: like the one hundred and twenty five million dollar man. Again,

487
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Speaker 2: if that's the case, the Niners are potent because Fred

488
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 2: Warner is the best linebacker in the league, who Funga

489
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: is a fantastic playmaker. So to me, that defensive line

490
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Speaker 2: they are built to play from ahead. Brock perty today

491
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Speaker 2: he's if he doesn't turn the ball over, he's a

492
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Speaker 2: really explosive quarterback. He averaged over eleven yards of completion.

493
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Speaker 2: They pushed the ball down the field. Yes, he is

494
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Speaker 2: not afraid to throw the ball down the field. And

495
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Speaker 2: they have made NFC Championship runs with dinking and dunking

496
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Speaker 2: and playing defense. So when you push the ball down

497
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Speaker 2: the field, that's the team that was kicking the shit

498
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Speaker 2: out of everybody the first five weeks. But it starts

499
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Speaker 2: with the defense. And when their defense dominates like that,

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Speaker 2: like Trevor Lawrence, you know, kind of went to a shell.

501
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Speaker 2: But I got news for you. I think besides, like

502
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Speaker 2: Mahomes and Josh Allen and maybe Lamar, most people are

503
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Speaker 2: getting destroyed and they have no shot, and even those

504
00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 2: guys might lose if that's the performance. But Trevor Lawrence

505
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,120
Speaker 2: becomes much more predestriate when you're peppering him every play,

506
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Speaker 2: which the forty nine ers, did.

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Speaker 1: You know It's funny. You know, for years the Ravens

508
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:12,000
Speaker 1: and the Niners have had these like constant injuries in

509
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 1: camp and in preseason, and you just wait for him

510
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: to get healthy. And I wonder the two downsides to

511
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: Shanahan's style. Number One, half the league is using it now,

512
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 1: so the element of surprise. Now he's the genius behind it, right,

513
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: So it's copycat versions of that offense, but there's less

514
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Speaker 1: of an element of surprise. A lot of people are

515
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Speaker 1: using it. So his window for a couple of years,

516
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Speaker 1: nobody's doing it. I'm doing it.

517
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Speaker 2: That's over.

518
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Speaker 1: So that hurts a little. And that's why quarterback becomes

519
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: so valuable because in these close playoff games, it's just

520
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: it's a play by a Herbert, it's a play by

521
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 1: Mahomes or a birl like it's a play. The second

522
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Speaker 1: thing is that physicality is word of the trademark of

523
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Speaker 1: his dad and Kyle. And we got another you know,

524
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Speaker 1: eight weeks regular season, six seven weeks regular season, and

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Speaker 1: I watched them today and I said, that version, that's

526
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Speaker 1: the best team in the league.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the.

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Speaker 1: Best team in league. But even their practices are intense.

529
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Speaker 1: Their entire culture, like Baltimore's intense Baltimore and San Francisco.

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Speaker 1: There's a reason they're always hurt. And I looked at

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Speaker 1: the Niners today and I thought, if you gave me

532
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Speaker 1: the mat team, yeah, that they're going to get to

533
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Speaker 1: the NFC Championship. But I wonder, and you knew this

534
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: team very well, is that can can Kyle? Can you

535
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Speaker 1: take the foot off? Can you give McCaffrey a week off?

536
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Speaker 1: Can you rest debo? Is it in them now? The

537
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: schedule is not. It's not in them. So it's like

538
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Speaker 1: you're you're asking, you know, you marry the you marry

539
00:28:38,760 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 1: the party animal, and then you're upset that he's the

540
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: party animal. That's what attracted you to the party animal.

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Speaker 1: It's like, this is who they are. I just don't

542
00:28:45,800 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: know if they'll be healthy by the end. They never

543
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Speaker 1: feel like they are.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Kyle's established who he is. I mean, he will

545
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 2: run Christian McCaffrey into the ground because that's his best player.

546
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Speaker 2: And I think you saw today a lot. Why do

547
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Speaker 2: the Eagles win so many games the last couple of

548
00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: years because for the most part, A. J. Brown, Deante Smith,

549
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: Dallas godd have been on the field and no team's

550
00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: going to have three better players than that, and that's

551
00:29:05,120 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 2: been the difference in a lot of their wins. Right now, whatever,

552
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 2: they're eight and one. Well, the forty nine ers. You

553
00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 2: removed Trent Williams, who's basically like Shaquille O'Neill in the

554
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 2: NFL in his prime, and Deebo Samuel, who becomes their

555
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: second best player behind McCaffrey and George Kittle, you know,

556
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: and Brandon Ayuk. They're unstoppable. But you remove those two guys,

557
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: as you saw the last couple of weeks, they become

558
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 2: a little more pedestrian and their margin ferrer is a

559
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 2: lot slimmer. But to me, Kyle is wired like a

560
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: guy that would have been in the eighties. They would

561
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Speaker 2: have been coaching against Buddy Ryan and Bill Parcells and

562
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 2: Bill Wallah. He would have fit. He would have a

563
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 2: lot in common. You know, Kyle's viewed as this young

564
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 2: guy with his whole crew. He's an old soul. To me,

565
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 2: he has much more in common with Belichick and Pete Carroll,

566
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Speaker 2: guys in their seventies in terms of philosophically, the way

567
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: he looks at football, which makes sense. What did he

568
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: grow up around Mike Shanahan in the eighties and nineties

569
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 2: in the NFL being at practice, being around that, and

570
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 2: Mike Shanahan was notoriously somewhat of a conservative coach. Why

571
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 2: running And like you said, the difference also Kyle and

572
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: some of these other guys, they all run the same place.

573
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: Kyle does have better players, But there's a collegiate element

574
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Speaker 2: where yeah, a lot of teams run certain things in college,

575
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,120
Speaker 2: but do you have Alabamahouse States personnel? Because when he's

576
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,640
Speaker 2: rolling out Debo and he's rolling out McAffrey and he's

577
00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 2: rolling out Aus, it's not really a fair fight. And

578
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 2: what's the Jacks are pretty good, Like, the Jacks have

579
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:22,800
Speaker 2: a lot of good offensive personnel that they couldn't even

580
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: begin to sniff. The group that came in motivated. That's

581
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: the other thing. This is a group of guys that

582
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 2: have won a lot of playoff games. Everyone's you know,

583
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 2: dragging him through the mud, and rightfully so they've been

584
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 2: pretty embarrassing the last couple weeks they came out. They

585
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Speaker 2: probably would have beat any team in the league today

586
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Speaker 2: given what was on the line.

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Speaker 1: And let's be honest about Jacksonville. So I've seen him

588
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: get hammered by San Francisco, can't beat Kansas City. I

589
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: still think they're a baby step away. I agree it's

590
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Speaker 1: not a giant step from being Cincinnati. I just don't

591
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Speaker 1: think they're there yet, So you know. And the other

592
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 1: thing is, I like Trevor Lawrence. I love college football

593
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 1: so much that I think, you know, part of me.

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Speaker 1: I don't think Trevor's as good as Andrew Luck, but

595
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: I think he's really really good. I don't think Cayleb

596
00:31:08,800 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 1: Williams is probably as good as Andrew Luck, maybe as

597
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 1: good as Trevor. But one of the things that Luck

598
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: and Trevor Lawrence sharon common and this is one of

599
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 1: the criticisms I've heard about both early, but I didn't

600
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Speaker 1: think it was I wasn't going to question it on

601
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 1: the air. Do they live for football? They love playing it?

602
00:31:27,120 --> 00:31:30,440
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck gave up the sport, has no there's no

603
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,480
Speaker 1: fallacy here that anybody thinks, oh he misses it dearly.

604
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,040
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence has said publicly like I love playing football,

605
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: but it doesn't define me. Gms and owners don't want

606
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,400
Speaker 1: to hear that. Coaches don't want to hear that. And

607
00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 1: sometime and I think Trevor's a great competitor. But I

608
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: do look at sometimes Trevor Lawrence and I don't see

609
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:54,400
Speaker 1: quite the fire I would love. But I mean, I mean,

610
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: who am I to say that? But Brady is forty four.

611
00:31:58,200 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: He brings Colin Colin he said, he said it once

612
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: upon a time, he said football is not everything to

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Speaker 2: meet or what I might be butchering his exact Well,

614
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 2: but remember around the draft, Yeah, he said those works.

615
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 2: And let's use today as an example. You had one

616
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: of the best prospects of the last twenty years, Trevor Lawrence. Yeah,

617
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 2: and you had mister irrelevant, right, And I would say

618
00:32:16,080 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 2: one defining characteristic of Brock Purdy. Why Fred Warner, Why

619
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 2: George Kittle, Why Christian McCaffrey. Who are wired like Kyle Shanahan,

620
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: Andy Reid, Bill Belichick addicts, Tom Brady, Peyton Manning. Brock

621
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Speaker 2: Purty fits under that football is everything to him. Yeah,

622
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: you know, it means absolutely everything to him. And that's

623
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: the thing with Trevor Lawrence. He's so much more gifted

624
00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 2: than everyone else. Is there a little bit of a

625
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:42,800
Speaker 2: basketball element like his talent? Six four, six y five,

626
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: good arm, naturally accurate, can move. It's easy. Showed up

627
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 2: Clemson in the middle of their dynasty, immediately starts. The

628
00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,960
Speaker 2: other guy gets told that transfer brock Perty's begging for scholarships.

629
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Speaker 2: You know comes third string. That there's an element. And

630
00:32:57,400 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 2: we've talked about this a lot before. Most of the

631
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 2: quarterback that are having a lot of success are not

632
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Speaker 2: the number one overall pick Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.

633
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Speaker 2: But Peyton's even more of an example because he played

634
00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,160
Speaker 2: for as long as he did is an all time outlier.

635
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 2: Most of the best quarterbacks are usually kind of random picks.

636
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Jacksonville is a playoff team. They'll be fine.

637
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:22,240
Speaker 1: Although I think and I want to talk about Bengals

638
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:25,520
Speaker 1: Houston Texans because this was a spot. This is one

639
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: of the bets I should have taken. I should have

640
00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:29,440
Speaker 1: taken Houston. Plus the point everybody told me to take

641
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,760
Speaker 1: this because you know, Cincinnati had beaten Buffalo Ravens next

642
00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: and this is that classic Sandwich game. Is that I

643
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 1: don't want to hear any excuses for Daniel Jones. I

644
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 1: don't want to hear it for Jordan Love or Kenny Pickett.

645
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: I watched every snap of that thing today. C J.

646
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:50,400
Speaker 1: Stroud is so accurate, so impressive. He had a bad pick,

647
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 1: very much like Andrew Luck shrugged it off, had zero effect,

648
00:33:57,000 --> 00:34:00,400
Speaker 1: very short memory. And listen, we all know Burrel great.

649
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: But I gotta tell you something. When I watched CJ. Stroud,

650
00:34:03,040 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: that was a real moment. That is a better roster

651
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: on the road. Bad pick, bounce back, marched down the

652
00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 1: field with no time left. Now, if Boyd could catch,

653
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,959
Speaker 1: maybe it's a different outcome. But I gotta tell you, John,

654
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: I looked at him. You know, it's funny his comp

655
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 1: was Jared Goff with a little more mobility. Well if

656
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: I told you you know, if you think about that,

657
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: that's like, well, hell if GoF had mobility, maybe like

658
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: a top eight quarterback.

659
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,240
Speaker 2: Right.

660
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: So I watched Stroud and I'm just like, I'm sold.

661
00:34:34,600 --> 00:34:38,480
Speaker 1: I mean today was just like that last drive. It's like, man,

662
00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: I am sold on him.

663
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 2: Well, you and I have been talking about it all

664
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: season long. The separating factor what makes guys have success

665
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: that are drafted high or not their ability to layer

666
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 2: those throws. It's not the Brett faarv seventy yard on

667
00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 2: a rope, you know, into double coverage. Most guys can't

668
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 2: do that. Can you layer the throw over an underneath

669
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: the fender, whether it's a corner or a linebacker, and

670
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,000
Speaker 2: then a safety behind him and put it in there.

671
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 2: And a lot of guys can't. Most guys can't, and

672
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 2: most guys can't consistently do it. This guy does it

673
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,520
Speaker 2: with the East and let's face it with the Thursday

674
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 2: night game with Bryce on display. And this when I

675
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 2: got out of football and went to radio and started

676
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 2: to going to a lot of baseball games and basketball games.

677
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,239
Speaker 2: And I knew this being so many NFL games. But

678
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: the importance of size in pro sports, the outliers of

679
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,800
Speaker 2: small guys is so small, like Steph currz considered a

680
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:33,280
Speaker 2: small guy. Steph Curry six's four and now he's jacked,

681
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 2: But he's not that small. He's not Isaiah Thomas. You know,

682
00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 2: he's not as small as you think.

683
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm I'm I'm six two. I'd be like the

684
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: fifth tallest president in the history of the country. And

685
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:46,400
Speaker 1: I've been around Steph Curry twice. He's bigger than me

686
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:48,840
Speaker 1: and fifteen pounds heavier.

687
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,880
Speaker 2: I remember going to Giants baseball games seeing Hunter Pence

688
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 2: and Madison Bumber and the size of these guys, and

689
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,120
Speaker 2: you see Bryce Young, I just don't see how that's

690
00:35:58,160 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 2: gonna work. He is so small that it's one thing

691
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: to be Kyler Murray small, but he's two hundred and

692
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 2: twenty pounds and he's faster than every guy on the field.

693
00:36:05,560 --> 00:36:07,200
Speaker 2: So he has things that he could hang his hat on.

694
00:36:07,440 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 2: Even today, I'm watching some of his highlights. I don't

695
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:11,920
Speaker 2: know if he's one hundred percent, but he's still faster

696
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 2: than every one in the Atlanta Falcons. Bryce is not

697
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 2: that fast, doesn't have a great arm anyways, one hundred

698
00:36:16,640 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 2: and seventy pounds, and when Javon Hargrave or some of

699
00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:22,879
Speaker 2: these defensive linemen fall on you, he's there's no way

700
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: to just get back up. You watch DJ Straud, He's big,

701
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:28,080
Speaker 2: he can move, and throwing is the easiest part of

702
00:36:28,080 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 2: this game. It just comes like, I don't even think

703
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 2: it's that debatable. I'm not trying to We're only in November.

704
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 2: The Texans wouldn't even pick up their phone call if

705
00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 2: they try to do a trade, And how would Carolina

706
00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 2: not have a redo on that? And is that just

707
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 2: David Temper forcing it? Because I'd say the Houston Texans,

708
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 2: who also really like Bryce Young. Sometimes you need a

709
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 2: little luck. Hell, the Chargers would have taken to a

710
00:36:49,600 --> 00:36:52,280
Speaker 2: he's on your team, that's all that matters. They should

711
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: be doing cartwheels that this guy, the way it all

712
00:36:54,360 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 2: played out, fell to them, because I don't see any

713
00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 2: chance Bryce Young could be like a quarter of as

714
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 2: good as guy Well.

715
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,879
Speaker 1: And also, Ohio State has a history. Think how great

716
00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: Ohio State football has had and they've never had a

717
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: great NFL quarterback. And part of that is because Ohio State,

718
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,279
Speaker 1: outside of Michigan, has significantly better talent than everybody in

719
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 1: their conference. Alabama's great even during their run, LSU, Georgia,

720
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: stacked Texas and m didn't have the coach stacked Ohio

721
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:25,280
Speaker 1: State faces one game a year and they out recruit

722
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: historically Michigan that they're even.

723
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 2: So c J.

724
00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: Stroud five star tackle a lot of time, five star receivers,

725
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 1: heartline recruits better than anybody in the country at wide receiver.

726
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: So there's a reason Ohio State it's not usc similar

727
00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: Matt Lioner, it barely got touched in college. There is

728
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:47,160
Speaker 1: a reason it's not really living an NFL experience. So CJ. Stroud.

729
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,879
Speaker 1: My thing was, these Ohio State quarterbacks are talented, but god,

730
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: they all put up gigantic numbers, but his accuracy is

731
00:37:56,360 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 1: just today he had a coup and now it helps

732
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: Demiko Ian's great coach, Tank Dell. Holy moly, is that

733
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 1: pick what? So like sometimes you need he's got juice?

734
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: Bryce Young has no jewice Bryce Young. Herbstreet saidate the

735
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: other day, he goes, they ran one offense, they're transitioning

736
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 1: to another, and they have none of the players, so

737
00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: it's going to be really ugly. Some of this for

738
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: Houston is they had a very good offseason. They sign

739
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: in free agency, if you remember John, some B level players,

740
00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,759
Speaker 1: and I remember saying on FS one, I was like,

741
00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 1: they're having a quietly They picked up about six seven

742
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 1: rotational starters, you know, guys that will play. So then

743
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 1: you head on Tank Dell. So I will say CJ's

744
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: got a little better talent that I think. I think

745
00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,480
Speaker 1: Houston's pretty got some juice, don't you think a little bit?

746
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,919
Speaker 2: For sure they've drafted. Well, they're gonna have a ton

747
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 2: of money. You know, the Cowboys never have any cash

748
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: base to sign free agents because Jerry's always overpaying his

749
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 2: own guys. If they ever did, people would love to

750
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: go to Texas in no state income text Houston. Now,

751
00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 2: if they can take advantage of these next couple of years,

752
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 2: could have a chance to kind of load up, make

753
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,240
Speaker 2: some bold trades. They got some picks from the Deshaun

754
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 2: Watson's thing still coming in, they'd have a chance. They

755
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: got a star coach. I heard what Herbstreet said. The

756
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: only thing I would disagree because I don't disagree that

757
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 2: their offense looks terrible and their lack of talent, but

758
00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:18,320
Speaker 2: there is a physical characteristic attribute thing at the highest

759
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 2: level of pro sports that you go. It's gonna be

760
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 2: difficult for them. So even if they get the right offense,

761
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: they upgrade an offensive coordinator, how they fire Frank and

762
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 2: get a better coach? When does that what it looks

763
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:32,480
Speaker 2: like to all of us, how miniscule the guy is

764
00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: gonna work. Even if C. J. Stroud hadn't been this good,

765
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 2: his body type, his movement, we've seen that before. Well,

766
00:39:39,480 --> 00:39:42,359
Speaker 2: just seen anything like Bryce before, and like Bryce coming

767
00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 2: out of Alabama. I'm not trying to act like I'm

768
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,840
Speaker 2: some genius. I thought he was sweet, but it ain't working,

769
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 2: and it doesn't even look like it has a chance.

770
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: To listen, fran Tarkenton was small, but nobody drafted small

771
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 1: guys after Fran. It's more of a copycat league now,

772
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,720
Speaker 1: Like that was just a unique player Georgia, fran Tarkanden

773
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: ran around. It was not like seven eight guys drafted

774
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 1: after it. It was six four six ' five guys

775
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,600
Speaker 1: that could throw the ball down the field did not move.

776
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 1: The truth is Russell Wilson got, Johnny Manziel drafted, Baker drafted,

777
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,640
Speaker 1: Kyler drafted. He got a lot of these guys drafted.

778
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 1: And we've watched I think fairly. Even though Russell over

779
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,800
Speaker 1: the last three weeks has been better because they've established

780
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 1: a run game under Payton, he's lost his juice. It's

781
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: just it's just the bottom line is when you're that

782
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 1: small in this league, it doesn't take as many hits.

783
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: Christ I saw Cam Newton ben age thirty three. You're like, WHOA,

784
00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 1: that doesn't look anything like it that at twenty nine.

785
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,919
Speaker 1: So it's like Ben got old fast, Cam got old fast.

786
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 1: Josh Allen's got about three more years of this, yeah,

787
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 1: and he's for sure and he's six six, two sixty

788
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: so I do think with Bryce and your point on

789
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: Kyler is right. For the record, Kyler's been banged up

790
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: several times. Kyler did not want to run in the

791
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:55,399
Speaker 1: playoff game. It's like, you know, five ten guys don't

792
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 1: want to run.

793
00:40:56,400 --> 00:40:58,400
Speaker 2: While I was texting with a college scouting director on

794
00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:01,279
Speaker 2: Thursday night and I or textabout Bryce, he said, you know,

795
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 2: his comp if he was going to be the best

796
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 2: version of himself, was gonna be Russell. So the difference

797
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 2: is Russell weists two hundred and twenty five pounds, yes,

798
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 2: right when he was young, and he also inherited and

799
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 2: got to go to a team that immediately had a

800
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 2: great running back. Because remember early on Russell got to

801
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:16,799
Speaker 2: grow in the team and had a great defense. But

802
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 2: Russell's arm is way stronger than Bryce's. Russell had a

803
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:23,200
Speaker 2: very very strong arm and was thick. That's the thing

804
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 2: that really concerns me is the size. When you watch CJ. Stroud,

805
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 2: what he does translates it. Even if he just maintains

806
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,960
Speaker 2: doing what he is, if they do a good enough

807
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,800
Speaker 2: job around him, you get the more athletic Jared Goff

808
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 2: and the other thing was CJ. A lot of times

809
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 2: if you have a one off game in college that's

810
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: so much different than everything else You've ever seen a

811
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,200
Speaker 2: lot of times when guys at like Mountain West schools

812
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,840
Speaker 2: and they get to play a big time school and

813
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,440
Speaker 2: are good or bad, you put a lot of emphasis fair,

814
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 2: not just because the level of comp CJ's game against Georgia,

815
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,319
Speaker 2: You're going, is that who he is? Could he do that?

816
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,960
Speaker 2: But he never had to do that against Iowa and Wisconsin.

817
00:41:57,040 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: But it turns out can that is him?

818
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:02,839
Speaker 1: That was herb against Wisconsin they never ran him. And

819
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 1: Tom Telesco with the Chargers went and said, I asked him,

820
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,439
Speaker 1: why didin't you run him? And they're like, we didn't

821
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: have a backup if he got hurt. We didn't have

822
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,760
Speaker 1: anybody else. Well, that's what Ohio State said, was Stroud.

823
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:14,720
Speaker 1: We didn't really think we had a guy that would

824
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: We couldn't lose him. So Stroud and Herbert against Wisconsin

825
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,920
Speaker 1: and Georgia, we all went, whll whoaa time out. I

826
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,759
Speaker 1: get that too, So size the arm, the accuracy. So

827
00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,839
Speaker 1: I thought it was impressive. Okay, I want to talk.

828
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:29,959
Speaker 1: Let's talk some Patriots Colts morning game. Not a great

829
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: game to watch, but horrendously bad Mac Jones interception that

830
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,239
Speaker 1: could have won the game for New England, and on

831
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:41,000
Speaker 1: the following series they put Bailey Zappi in, which is

832
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:44,760
Speaker 1: a total statement by the organization. Bill O'Brien was harping

833
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: and yelling and screaming on the sideline. I think it

834
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,919
Speaker 1: was third quarter with mac Jones listen. I thought Mac

835
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,680
Speaker 1: had an opportunity. I thought New England was a perfect

836
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 1: spot for him, play within a system, good defense, run game.

837
00:42:56,760 --> 00:43:01,760
Speaker 1: I thought it worked. He's regressed. I have been told

838
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: that the cheap shot stuff, the Grace and Allen stuff.

839
00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:08,399
Speaker 1: He was called out by an offensive lineman last year

840
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 1: at practice. They're like, dude, you do that to people,

841
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: They're gonna do that stuff to us. I have also

842
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 1: been told that Belichick really turned off. They have struggled

843
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 1: a hard coach him. You know, Brady grew up in

844
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 1: a big family. You could hard coach Tom Mac is

845
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: not as available to that. He's not willing to be

846
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 1: as hard. He didn't come from as big a family,

847
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: so coaches have struggled. When they get on him, he

848
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 1: sort of kind of pivots, pouts, is not kind of

849
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 1: accepting of it. Tom flourished, loved it. A lot of

850
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: great players do. They like to be coached. Jeors loves it.

851
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:49,960
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily love that. So that Bailey ZAPPI to me,

852
00:43:50,040 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be shocked if they started Zappy next week.

853
00:43:53,280 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 1: But you know, my dad used to say this all

854
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 1: the time, lubri Kate, don't agitate. Your employment will be based.

855
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: Hands will be raised when you're not in their room.

856
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:05,439
Speaker 2: Yeah.

857
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: I don't think the coaches like him. I don't think

858
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 1: the teammates like him. I think his judgment is poor.

859
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, judgments.

860
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 2: It's c J.

861
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: Stroud and maybe it's just his accuracy. But you know,

862
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:21,759
Speaker 1: I just watch mac Jones on that fourth down he

863
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: short armed it. I mean he looked intimidated, he was backpedaling.

864
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 1: I thought that play, I thought they may have just

865
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 1: decided on that play it's done.

866
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:35,399
Speaker 2: I thought at the beginning of the season that Mac

867
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 2: Jones is going to get everyone fired. And he's honestly

868
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,399
Speaker 2: been way worse than I imagined it going. And he's

869
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 2: been objectively the worst, one of the worst quarterbacks in

870
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,120
Speaker 2: the NFL. I mean, the interceptions he throws on a

871
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: consistent basis or just are insane. It's one thing to

872
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 2: push the ball into a spot when you're you know,

873
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,359
Speaker 2: down late in the game. It's another thing in those

874
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,520
Speaker 2: spots where he's not even close. And whether his confidence

875
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: now has waned, whether it's completely unraveled. But I never

876
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,479
Speaker 2: thought he was that good. I thought drafting a guy

877
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:10,319
Speaker 2: at fifteen that to me has fourth fifth round attributes.

878
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: You know, It's why you can't take just stats in

879
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,319
Speaker 2: college and just plug him into a spot. Oh, this

880
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,960
Speaker 2: guy's the first rounder because he threws. Look who's thrown to.

881
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 2: I mean, they had two straight years where all four

882
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,520
Speaker 2: of their wide receivers got drafted in the top fifteen, all

883
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 2: four wide severs in top fifteen. Think about that. I mean,

884
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:28,920
Speaker 2: that's I don't think Ohio State has that in the

885
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 2: bag right now with the group they've just had. So

886
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,319
Speaker 2: and then the COVID year, which he exploded. I think

887
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:37,440
Speaker 2: one thing we learned and you saw that today. Trevor

888
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:41,920
Speaker 2: Lawrence today was standing. That year fooled us all. Zach Wilson,

889
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 2: Mac Jones, Trey Lance didn't play. We still don't know

890
00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 2: what the hell Justin fields is, but I think it's

891
00:45:47,280 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 2: fair to say we're leaning He's not gonna be the

892
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 2: quarterback of the Bear. So that was wrong. But that

893
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: year specifically for Alabia, I mean, they had such an advantage.

894
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 2: The schools were shut down. Albama didn't shut down. They

895
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,480
Speaker 2: never stopped lifting, they never stopped training. That was in

896
00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: the peak of their powers. They were going through quarterbacks.

897
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:03,879
Speaker 2: They had a bunch of cohesion. They had a bunch

898
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 2: of high character guys like Landon Dickerson and will Anderson

899
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: leading the charge, and DeVante Smith was around who was

900
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 2: like the heartbeat of the team. It was built like

901
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:15,839
Speaker 2: an NFL team. You know what Saban's doing right now,

902
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,839
Speaker 2: They're about to go eleven and one is incredible because

903
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:19,680
Speaker 2: they don't have the talent like that team winning like

904
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,080
Speaker 2: he was stacked. He had a squad and I think

905
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 2: mac Jones. It's just one of those classic you look

906
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:28,400
Speaker 2: back in college really benefited from it. And let's face it,

907
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,680
Speaker 2: Belichick was desperate because when Tom left, which Bill was

908
00:46:31,719 --> 00:46:35,680
Speaker 2: clearly forcing him out, which listen, Bill copied Walsh. He

909
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,640
Speaker 2: did the same thing. The difference is Walsh always had

910
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,760
Speaker 2: a replacement around Bill just get out of here. Jimmy

911
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 2: was already gone. What the hell was he gonna do.

912
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 2: He played the one year with Cam Newton, who was

913
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: a shell of himself. He got into a situation in

914
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: the draft where he didn't have a choice, and he

915
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 2: drafts the guy at fifteen. He's just not good enough

916
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 2: and he's definitely not good enough to overcome average to

917
00:46:55,320 --> 00:46:58,279
Speaker 2: below average around him. And that's what their offensive lines

918
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,600
Speaker 2: hit or miss. Skilled guy's a wide receiver. Bill the

919
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: GM is let Bill down the coach big time.

920
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I also think some of it is this.

921
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 1: So Bill lost the best player ever, Brady, the best

922
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,479
Speaker 1: tight end arguably ever, Gronk, the best offensive line coach

923
00:47:13,640 --> 00:47:16,959
Speaker 1: arguably ever, Dante Scarnekia, and Josh McDaniels high end oc

924
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 1: in a two year period. The truth is that's just

925
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:25,479
Speaker 1: too much brain power the opposite side of the ball. Now,

926
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:30,440
Speaker 1: Sean McVay lost Bobby Wagner Jalen Ramsey. What if he'd

927
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: lost Aaron Donald and Raheem Morris, an excellent assistant left

928
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: This ram defense would be awful. Thank god Donald can

929
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: still play and Raheem Morris is a tremendous coordinator. Bill

930
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 1: lost the best quarterback, tight end, o line coach. And

931
00:47:46,920 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: it's the other side of the ball. And so you know,

932
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:54,920
Speaker 1: to some degree Shanahan this year after sla and Demko Ryans,

933
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 1: I don't think Steve Wilkes is quite as good as

934
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 1: those twos. And even who is the personnel, the defense

935
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 1: isn't the same. So you know, it'd be easy to

936
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 1: bash Belichick, but when you lose multiple if you would

937
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: have lost Demiko Ryans, Bosa, Fred Warner and Hafunga, that

938
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: defense isn't the same.

939
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 2: The other thing is everyone's shitting on Bill because it

940
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:25,879
Speaker 2: was all Tom, and obviously Tom played a huge role.

941
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 2: There is no coach in the Hall of Fame beside

942
00:48:28,040 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 2: Parcels who had the Hall of Fame quarterback of defense

943
00:48:31,120 --> 00:48:35,560
Speaker 2: in Lawrence Taylor, Walsh, the home grin Andy. They all

944
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: have incredible Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Now Belichick seventy one,

945
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,799
Speaker 2: seventy two years old, well, let's face it, this thing's over.

946
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:45,879
Speaker 2: You're not going to transition whenever I hear we'll bring

947
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: in a personnel guy. So a seventy two year old

948
00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: that's made hundreds of millions of dollars, who's been doing this,

949
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: who's been in the NFL since nineteen seventy five, it's

950
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 2: just gonna yeah, just bringing this forty three year old

951
00:48:57,440 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 2: assistant GM from San Francisco and he can picked the

952
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: players all coach like, that's not working this thing. Listen,

953
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,960
Speaker 2: this was never gonna be easy. It's always ugly at

954
00:49:06,960 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: the end. Phil Jackson with the Knicks, I know he

955
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 2: was an executive, the same thing. It just it. Usually

956
00:49:13,120 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 2: you don't get a Swan song, you don't write off.

957
00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:18,759
Speaker 2: Usually it's Gardner Minshew kicking your ass in Germany. And

958
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,719
Speaker 2: I know mac Jones thrown picks, and this is it.

959
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:24,319
Speaker 2: I think it's over. And I think Robert, I don't

960
00:49:24,320 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 2: know exactly know how they're gonna word it, mutual, depart firing.

961
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,960
Speaker 2: I can't imagine Belichick being the head coach in twenty

962
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,560
Speaker 2: twenty four. I can't because I don't. I don't think

963
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 2: he's gonna be open to changing. And they're if you're them,

964
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:40,000
Speaker 2: why even bring Let's just start start new. I do

965
00:49:40,040 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 2: think you could trade them. Couldn't you trade them for

966
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 2: just a pick, give him another spot to Washington or Chicago,

967
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 2: or take the contract, take Bill for a couple of

968
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:49,720
Speaker 2: years and see if he's got nothing left.

969
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,319
Speaker 1: Hey, Trey Lance, we're not sure he can play a

970
00:49:52,360 --> 00:49:54,480
Speaker 1: lick got a fourth round pick. You can get a

971
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,600
Speaker 1: fourth round pick out of mac Jones. Again, I think

972
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: if Bill retired and they hired Ben Jonson from the

973
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 1: Lions and hit or went and bought like a DeVante Adams.

974
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:05,919
Speaker 2: I think you have a nine win team.

975
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,120
Speaker 1: It looks a lot different. Not great, But I do

976
00:50:09,160 --> 00:50:12,000
Speaker 1: think some of this is brain power out of the building.

977
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,520
Speaker 1: Bill's gonna do things his way. They do not have

978
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,799
Speaker 1: a number one receiver. I'd argue they don't have a two.

979
00:50:17,880 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: They've got they've they've got a bunch of guys. They

980
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,800
Speaker 1: don't have a number one tight end. The O line

981
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 1: is really young and for one of the rare times

982
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 1: hurt a lot. I mean they drafted three guards. They

983
00:50:28,880 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 1: hurt a lot. So I think mac Jones I don't.

984
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: I don't think Trey Lance can play in this league.

985
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:36,840
Speaker 1: I think mac Jones can at a lower level eighteenth

986
00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:39,360
Speaker 1: best quarterback, but I think he can play. But I

987
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:41,040
Speaker 1: do think right now.

988
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,399
Speaker 2: But do you think Bill's coaching somewhere else next year?

989
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 2: Do you think?

990
00:50:44,320 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: No, He's got a compound in Nantucket, He's got one

991
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: hundred million net worth. He's not a spender. You know,

992
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,839
Speaker 1: he's got his dog, his girlfriend, he's got his nantucket.

993
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 1: Probably he's got a place, probably down in Jupiter FLOORID

994
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: or something like that. Bill likes to golf, and frankly

995
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,800
Speaker 1: it'd be different. There are some coaches who can pivot

996
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,439
Speaker 1: from coaching to the front office. Parcels in Miami took

997
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: a one and fifteen team and won eleven games, basically

998
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: replacing the bottom third of his roster. You know, gave

999
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,240
Speaker 1: Tony Sparano the gig and they want eleven games.

1000
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 2: That's not really Bellich hat Riley did it? You know

1001
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:17,880
Speaker 2: like that.

1002
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,000
Speaker 1: Abs Yeah, I don't think. I don't think that's Phil

1003
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:22,000
Speaker 1: Jackson's strength.

1004
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 2: Bill's not good at it. Bill's not good at identify.

1005
00:51:24,880 --> 00:51:26,799
Speaker 2: I had a personnel guy telling me the problem Bill

1006
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 2: has is when it gets closer and closer to his

1007
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,319
Speaker 2: draft day, he doesn't listen to anybody. And then that

1008
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: last week he gets on the phone and calls his

1009
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,359
Speaker 2: buddies that are all the head coaches, and then just

1010
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:40,040
Speaker 2: goes in on guys that the people in the building are. Bill,

1011
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,920
Speaker 2: We've spent all this time working, you were in agreement,

1012
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:43,640
Speaker 2: and then you pivot last second, what are we doing?

1013
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 1: That was that's what I heard happened with Nikhil Harry.

1014
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: He called Herm Edwards and it was like the scouts,

1015
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, the guys were like, no, that's a third round,

1016
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,759
Speaker 1: that's a late second and he called Herm. And by

1017
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:58,960
Speaker 1: the way, they've got some Bama guys. I mean, if

1018
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 1: you go look urban guy Bama guys, it's your source.

1019
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 1: I'm sure as accurate because I heard on Nikhil Harriet

1020
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 1: was like the scouting department pushed back, and to.

1021
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: Me, there's nothing wrong in using the coaches, like, for example,

1022
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 2: the Niners with Brandon Ayuk. He ran really slow at

1023
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,719
Speaker 2: the combine, but they liked them, so they leaned on

1024
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 2: Herm Edwards, who was like the godfather to John Lynch's son.

1025
00:52:18,520 --> 00:52:20,600
Speaker 2: And Herm's like, I'm telling you he's fast. You can

1026
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 2: don't worry about that speed. But they didn't trust him

1027
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 2: for the evaluation of picking him. They just trust him

1028
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:29,000
Speaker 2: as a source to supplement some things that they wanted

1029
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 2: to make sure they were right on. Where Bill just

1030
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,400
Speaker 2: changes the draft board on his own, Dan Snyder style

1031
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 2: goes rogue. All of a sudden, you have a guy

1032
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,640
Speaker 2: drafted in the third and fifth round that were undrafted

1033
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:42,040
Speaker 2: free agents and the personnel department's like, what was the

1034
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:44,680
Speaker 2: point of our last twelve months? And ultimately Bill doesn't

1035
00:52:44,680 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: give a shit about them. It's why a lot of

1036
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 2: guys the moment they could get out left. The other

1037
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:50,759
Speaker 2: thing is it was fun when you were winning. You're like,

1038
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,399
Speaker 2: you know, he's miserable. We don't make as much here,

1039
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:55,880
Speaker 2: but you're winning rings. It'll set you up for life.

1040
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: Those days are over. And as you saw that, it's

1041
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:03,160
Speaker 2: I expect Robert Kraft because what would Bill what was

1042
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: he always known for being ruthless a year early instead

1043
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: of a year late. They could copy that from Walsh.

1044
00:53:08,120 --> 00:53:10,440
Speaker 2: That was the way he ran the franchise for twenty

1045
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 2: plus years. Why wouldn't the Crafts do that with him? Right?

1046
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,279
Speaker 2: They've paid him an ungodly amount of money. Firings at

1047
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,719
Speaker 2: this point are never easy. But he's got fifty three

1048
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 2: you're talking about seventy two year old guy. I mean,

1049
00:53:21,160 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: he's got two and a half decades, which unheard of

1050
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:23,520
Speaker 2: in football.

1051
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:29,680
Speaker 1: All Right, Cowboys Giants are last NFL thoughts. Listen, I

1052
00:53:29,719 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 1: think I had this belief. It's a theory, and I

1053
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 1: think it's right. Is that Brian day Ball and Joe

1054
00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 1: Shine the GM. They didn't want to give Daniel Jones

1055
00:53:39,600 --> 00:53:43,520
Speaker 1: that money. They didn't want to Mara feeling he had

1056
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:46,480
Speaker 1: an Eli Manning feel he almost look alike. He's a

1057
00:53:46,520 --> 00:53:50,320
Speaker 1: better athlete, but they look alike. So he makes a decision.

1058
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:53,280
Speaker 1: He can't fire day Ball or the GM. He can't.

1059
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,600
Speaker 1: It's his decision. So it's like they always say in divorces,

1060
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,640
Speaker 1: whoever wants the divorce, there's a psychology that person that

1061
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:02,480
Speaker 1: wants to divorce feels guilty. You can get a better

1062
00:54:02,520 --> 00:54:05,680
Speaker 1: deal of the divorce hearings and proceedings because the person

1063
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: who wants the divorce can often feel guilty. I think

1064
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:13,279
Speaker 1: the Mars know John Marrono's I stuck these guys and

1065
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 1: there's nothing you can do. So I think everybody's safe

1066
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 1: in New York. I like Dable a lot. I like

1067
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: the GM. I think he's had he didn't draft Daniel

1068
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: Jones and Dallas. I mean Dallas was the best pick

1069
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 1: on the board probably today. I mean, they play that's

1070
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,799
Speaker 1: a great home favorite. They they are great with the lead,

1071
00:54:29,840 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: they're great playing downhill. They're what Buffalo was about two

1072
00:54:33,680 --> 00:54:35,319
Speaker 1: years ago. Buffalo now they.

1073
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:37,560
Speaker 2: As scored the Giants this year, calling by seventy five points,

1074
00:54:37,560 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 2: I think six.

1075
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 1: But by playing this kid, they they're at two wins.

1076
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 1: So the Bears have Carolina's pick. Carolina plays a lot

1077
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:55,759
Speaker 1: of home games against Tampa in Atlanta. Yeah, schedules. We

1078
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 1: think they may play Green Bay. I think Caroline is

1079
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:04,359
Speaker 1: gonna win enough game. They beat Houston, but I kind

1080
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 1: of look at the Giants and I don't know if

1081
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:10,319
Speaker 1: they win another football game. Maybe they do, but I

1082
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: think it's really clear now. I think they're going to

1083
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:17,840
Speaker 1: draft the quarterback. The question becomes bo Nicks feels like

1084
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: he's sort of separated. Pennix has the injuries, that Bow's

1085
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: your third pick now. Jalen Daniels at LSU, I think

1086
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: he has moved from second round to first. I think

1087
00:55:26,760 --> 00:55:29,720
Speaker 1: he's moved into the first round. People think he's frail.

1088
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:32,080
Speaker 1: My takeaway is, I don't know. I watch him run,

1089
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 1: I watch him throw, high school, college, two conferences. It

1090
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:39,480
Speaker 1: works everywhere. Hard coaches, by the way, herm defensive guy,

1091
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: Kelly the Screamer, it works everywhere. But if Caleb and

1092
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 1: Drake and I believe they're top two, I think Bow

1093
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: has cemented himself he makes no mistakes again, to conference dominant,

1094
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 1: to conference success, he's third. You don't want to get

1095
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: into a bidding war, but I started looking last week

1096
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,960
Speaker 1: at all those teams at the top. I can argue

1097
00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,319
Speaker 1: Giants if they don't beat New England when they when

1098
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 1: they meet, Giants have maybe one more win. I think

1099
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:08,480
Speaker 1: they're going to draft a quarterback.

1100
00:56:08,840 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there. I wrote down obviously the Eagles

1101
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,920
Speaker 2: and they play at the Saints as a loss. The

1102
00:56:13,960 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 2: Pats game and the Packers game, those are huge swings.

1103
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:18,759
Speaker 2: I don't think the Packers are winning many more games

1104
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:21,960
Speaker 2: and clear the Pats. So those three matchups of Packers

1105
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 2: Giants Pats Giants are gonna have enormous implications because, like

1106
00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:29,920
Speaker 2: you say, Carolina's defense actually pretty solid. They got some

1107
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,640
Speaker 2: pretty good personnel. If Bryce has a good day or

1108
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:35,239
Speaker 2: maybe two over the last two months, they could win

1109
00:56:35,320 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 2: a couple games. Still, they would be my betting favorite.

1110
00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: I would say the Pats and the Giants. I mean,

1111
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 2: Giants are really if they roll up. If Tommy DeVito

1112
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,240
Speaker 2: starts every they will lose every game. To me, Tyrod Taylor,

1113
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:46,800
Speaker 2: if he ever were to come back, he would be

1114
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:48,279
Speaker 2: a little bit of a while. If the Vito starts

1115
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 2: every game, they will not win.

1116
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: But if bone Knicks is your third, I think it

1117
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 1: creates a And I'm feeling this more and more. I

1118
00:56:56,600 --> 00:56:59,880
Speaker 1: text two people this weekend because Jordan Palmer told me Friday.

1119
00:57:00,040 --> 00:57:03,040
Speaker 1: I heard he said Bonix is your third. And I

1120
00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 1: text two people over the weekend and they were both like,

1121
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:09,600
Speaker 1: just don't go to the Auburn tape. This kid's an athlete,

1122
00:57:09,880 --> 00:57:14,320
Speaker 1: he's married, he's accurate, he's decisive. Some of it's Oregon scheming.

1123
00:57:15,000 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 1: But I think now I if I think the Giants

1124
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 1: have the fifth or six pick, I'll say that Giants

1125
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:25,240
Speaker 1: Patriot game, don't be shocked if the Patriots start Bailey's appy.

1126
00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 2: Well, to me, the Giants feel like Drake may, don't

1127
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: They that organization that feel, you know, Caleb, some of

1128
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,800
Speaker 2: the previous stuff, I can see John Mora getting a

1129
00:57:35,800 --> 00:57:38,240
Speaker 2: little too high and mighty on it. But I would

1130
00:57:38,240 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: say that losing out makes a lot of sense for them.

1131
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: Losing out makes a lot of sense for the Pats too. Yeah,

1132
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:49,440
Speaker 2: I mean, I think these quarterbacks going three. I do

1133
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:52,920
Speaker 2: think that the discussion for the top quarterback Listen, Caleb's

1134
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,880
Speaker 2: really really talented is definitely in play depending on who

1135
00:57:55,880 --> 00:57:58,160
Speaker 2: you talk to. He is not thirty two for thirty

1136
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:00,280
Speaker 2: two number one. This is not Trevor Lawrence, Ran Andrew

1137
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:02,479
Speaker 2: Luck That. I don't know every GM in the league

1138
00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,000
Speaker 2: or every scouting director, but you get a lot. You

1139
00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: just talked to five different people, you get different opinions.

1140
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:09,640
Speaker 2: So and the bow Nicks is another good example, right,

1141
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:12,480
Speaker 2: kind of a late bloomer. And that's what happens. This

1142
00:58:12,560 --> 00:58:14,720
Speaker 2: is a stock right as you play games, you can

1143
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 2: increase your stock. Jayden Daniels, I'm sitting there on my

1144
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 2: couch watching this Florida game, going, holy shit. This guy's

1145
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:22,560
Speaker 2: running around like he's Michael Vick throwing dimes down the field.

1146
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,920
Speaker 2: You said, the knock on him is frail. A guy

1147
00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 2: that weighs one hundred and seventy five pounds, that's five

1148
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 2: ft nine, just got drafted number one overall. So you

1149
00:58:29,160 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 2: tell me Jayden Daniels at LSU and the sec same

1150
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 2: thing as bright, like, can't go in the top ten.

1151
00:58:34,120 --> 00:58:38,200
Speaker 1: I mean, come on, well, and this is something to

1152
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 1: think about, is that. Here's the one thing I'll say

1153
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: about and I think Caleb's really unique talent. But Oregon State.

1154
00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: Last year he sort of pouted on the sidelines, the

1155
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:54,840
Speaker 1: fingernail stuff, crying after the game, and he is now

1156
00:58:55,200 --> 00:58:57,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of his hero ball is the old

1157
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: line has. Oh, they're huge, huge disappointment for USC. They

1158
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 1: thought they had four NFL guys. It's been a no.

1159
00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:08,880
Speaker 1: It's not their defense. Bet, it's been a problem. Somebody

1160
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: gets through in every snap, Somebody misses a block in

1161
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 1: every snap.

1162
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:14,800
Speaker 2: There was yellow in the backfield every play last night,

1163
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 2: every play.

1164
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Oregon's wouldn't have been a recruiting five star guy.

1165
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,959
Speaker 1: Oregon is the one program over the last ten years

1166
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: with Crystal Ball and Landing. They'll go to LA and

1167
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:26,000
Speaker 1: they'll steal the best player in the state. They'll take

1168
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: it right from USC. So Oregon's got better players. They

1169
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: got better players than Washington, Utah, USC, UCLA. Oregon's got

1170
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: the best players in the conference. They can match up

1171
00:59:34,400 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: with everybody, including Michigan in my opinion, wouldn't beat it,

1172
00:59:37,120 --> 00:59:40,880
Speaker 1: but could match up. But I when I look at Caleb,

1173
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,479
Speaker 1: I think the knock on him because I've texted people

1174
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: and asked him. They're like, hey, he's a highly emotional player.

1175
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 1: So is Mahomes, and Mahomes is saved because of Andy Reid.

1176
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: When he goes off the fairway, Andy brings him back.

1177
00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 1: And what somebody texted me the league is, if he

1178
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,760
Speaker 1: gets the right coach, he'll be fine. Got a Sean Payton,

1179
01:00:04,760 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: he goes to Chicago, gets a rookie coach, you know,

1180
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:12,160
Speaker 1: because they have Carolina's pick. You're like, okay, you trust Chicago,

1181
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 1: you trust the rookie coach. So the take on Caleb

1182
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 1: is if he gets a coach that a respected guy

1183
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:21,800
Speaker 1: that can bark a little, it'll be fine. He's just

1184
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 1: too damn talented. I mean, he's a power thrower. At

1185
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 1: six and a half feet tall, he's a power thrower,

1186
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: but he does go I mean, what would Mahomes be

1187
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 1: like with Brandon Staley, who can't get the defense right now?

1188
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 1: He'd be productive. But Herbert's pretty easy to coach. John

1189
01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: He's almost mechanical. He's I mean literally he is just

1190
01:00:43,080 --> 01:00:47,680
Speaker 1: every throw looks the exact same. Mahomes goes off the rails.

1191
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,800
Speaker 1: You know every year he get like he did it

1192
01:00:51,840 --> 01:00:54,280
Speaker 1: against Denver. I'm gonna just make stuff up and play

1193
01:00:54,280 --> 01:00:59,000
Speaker 1: flag football. Andy. Next half he plays against Miami reels

1194
01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: him right back in. So I think Caleb is more

1195
01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: coach dependent than I thought that he could go sideways

1196
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: with the wrong guy in a Chicago.

1197
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,400
Speaker 2: I think anytime that your team kind of gets unraveled

1198
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,040
Speaker 2: in college, people start asking questions. And I do think

1199
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:21,080
Speaker 2: it's a healthy thing sometimes to really dive in to

1200
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 2: a prospect. I've said this the whole time. He's not

1201
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:26,360
Speaker 2: a flawless process. This isn't Lebron James coming out of

1202
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,280
Speaker 2: high school, or Bryce Harper in the draft or what

1203
01:01:29,360 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 2: Andrew luck was. He's under six feet tall, so there

1204
01:01:32,400 --> 01:01:34,400
Speaker 2: would just be questions even if it had gone perfectly

1205
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 2: in USC was undefeated, obviously, I mean they're programs and shambles.

1206
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:40,440
Speaker 2: Can I give you a take? Yeah, I don't think

1207
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley really works in LA. I think they may.

1208
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:45,320
Speaker 2: I have no problem. Oh I like that, Like they

1209
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 2: shouldn't have done it. They should have hired him. It

1210
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,560
Speaker 2: was a no brainer. You had to buy his house

1211
01:01:49,560 --> 01:01:53,760
Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty million, given where they were. But USC,

1212
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 2: let's face it, when they had Pete Carroll a lot

1213
01:01:55,800 --> 01:01:58,720
Speaker 2: of juice, Like it's an energy place, right, it's a

1214
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,160
Speaker 2: bright lights. It's like Vegas it's just you need to entertain.

1215
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 2: And Lincoln is more Texas, more Oklahoma, Texas A and

1216
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 2: M job opening. I actually think he fits more that

1217
01:02:09,280 --> 01:02:13,040
Speaker 2: culture's where he's from, both pressure cookers, which now he's

1218
01:02:13,160 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma. But I would say A and M and

1219
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,080
Speaker 2: USC are a little probably more rabid, a little crazier,

1220
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 2: obviously more money. I think that job makes more sense

1221
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:22,280
Speaker 2: than him at USC now. I don't have a great

1222
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,560
Speaker 2: replacement Lane Kiffin actually more bright lights. Guy is open

1223
01:02:26,600 --> 01:02:29,440
Speaker 2: to whatever, can just kind of handle some shit, is

1224
01:02:29,480 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 2: not afraid to talk. I don't know there's something missing

1225
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 2: with Lincoln in that market. I mean, he's in your backyard.

1226
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 2: He is a good coach. I'm not just trying to

1227
01:02:38,120 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 2: act like he's a village idiot now because he's had

1228
01:02:39,920 --> 01:02:41,760
Speaker 2: a rough year. But I don't think you really think

1229
01:02:41,800 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 2: it's working. And I don't see a quick fix. And

1230
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 2: if they wouldn't have had Caleb, who is just an

1231
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:49,640
Speaker 2: all time great college player, we'll see how great his

1232
01:02:49,760 --> 01:02:52,200
Speaker 2: NFL career is. I think they're like a four win team.

1233
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 2: I mean they are terrible. Colin the last night would

1234
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 2: have been they wouldn't have moved the ball. I mean

1235
01:02:59,160 --> 01:03:01,520
Speaker 2: they would have had No. I don't think he works,

1236
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:04,480
Speaker 2: and I think A and M and who knows. Maybe

1237
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:06,200
Speaker 2: they don't have money because they're paying Jim Moo seventy

1238
01:03:06,200 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 2: five million. They have to hire the duke guy for

1239
01:03:08,160 --> 01:03:10,520
Speaker 2: cheap whatever, just to get the train back on the tracks.

1240
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,120
Speaker 2: I just think he makes more sense. I've always had

1241
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 2: a theory geographically in college, Urban's an outlier. He went

1242
01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: to the south and ward for the most part. Our

1243
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: buddy mcawaine went to Florida, was having some success. They

1244
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,640
Speaker 2: ran him out of town. Think of the guys in

1245
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 2: the south. Kirby Nick grew up in West Virginia, like

1246
01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 2: where your region's Matt Think about the northeast. The guy

1247
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,880
Speaker 2: Ryan Day feels like an Ohio state Northeast guy. Jim

1248
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: Harbaugh went to Michigan. The west. Think of the guys

1249
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 2: Pete Carroll, West Coast guy, Chris Peterson, West Coast guy, Ballotti, Tedford.

1250
01:03:39,640 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 2: I think regions matter, and I think I look at

1251
01:03:41,880 --> 01:03:44,680
Speaker 2: Lincoln Riley, I just feel he's out of place. I

1252
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 2: just feel he's out of place.

1253
01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,720
Speaker 1: No, it's interesting. He got very prickly with the media

1254
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:50,960
Speaker 1: and it was like, dude, this is not Norman. There's

1255
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to do. If you look at

1256
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 1: the history of Los Angeles, think about the managers or

1257
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:03,640
Speaker 1: coaches that were successful. Tommy lasorda very successful Phil pat Riley,

1258
01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:10,360
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll, Sean McVay. These are big personalities. They steal

1259
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:12,760
Speaker 1: some of the glamour from their team. Don't hog it,

1260
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 1: but they are. I mean, Pete's like media get in here,

1261
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:23,120
Speaker 1: Snoop dogg La is a big city Riley, the McVeigh,

1262
01:04:23,360 --> 01:04:27,280
Speaker 1: Pete Carroll. They feel like they're big city guys. They

1263
01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:27,880
Speaker 1: can handle it.

1264
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:28,439
Speaker 2: New York.

1265
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,760
Speaker 1: I watched when I lived out in Connecticut, New York

1266
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 1: in Golf's people. Joe Judge was engulfed. Joe Tory is

1267
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:38,600
Speaker 1: kind of a good looking made his money parcels, a

1268
01:04:38,600 --> 01:04:41,160
Speaker 1: little bit of an attitude. Tom Coughlin smart, going to

1269
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:46,080
Speaker 1: pushback New York. There's a toughness in New York. I mean,

1270
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:52,680
Speaker 1: Joe Tory wasn't great day one, right he had he

1271
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,120
Speaker 1: was doing Angel games. He had think he had a

1272
01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: losing record. If I recall when he took over, so

1273
01:04:57,600 --> 01:05:00,320
Speaker 1: he'd been through the wars of Major League Baseball. Tory

1274
01:05:00,480 --> 01:05:02,919
Speaker 1: was a grown ass man like he nobody was gonna

1275
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: push Joe around. And I think in New York there's

1276
01:05:06,280 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: a toughness and you have to have a thick skin

1277
01:05:08,720 --> 01:05:12,800
Speaker 1: and you have to push back because Boston falls in

1278
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: love with everybody when they arrive. And even if you're

1279
01:05:15,200 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: Ted Williams, they hate you when you leave. New York

1280
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: tests you, and if you can pass the test, they

1281
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: love you for life. So they're the opposite of Boston.

1282
01:05:25,080 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: There's no Boston sort of sucks up to you. You

1283
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:29,160
Speaker 1: came and love us, We love you. Then they hate

1284
01:05:29,160 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: everybody New York once you win the crowd, Parcels is

1285
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:38,040
Speaker 1: minted for life. Los Angeles is funny and I'm no

1286
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:40,480
Speaker 1: expert on Los Angeles. Lives here eight years. You know,

1287
01:05:40,760 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 1: we both know Los Angeles pretty well, but the guys

1288
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 1: that work here sort of embrace Los Angeles. Don't close

1289
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 1: your practices. I remember talking to urban Meyer one time

1290
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,640
Speaker 1: privately about the USC job, and I said, this is

1291
01:05:54,680 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: not Gainesville. Can't close your practices, like we'll just do

1292
01:05:58,880 --> 01:06:01,680
Speaker 1: other shit. We won't go to your practice, like like

1293
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,920
Speaker 1: I like Chip Kelly, but he's apathetic. He didn't like recruiting,

1294
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 1: and so UCLA is invisible. Like he doesn't play it up.

1295
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:11,840
Speaker 2: He's not Wait, he hates it. I mean he won't

1296
01:06:11,840 --> 01:06:14,160
Speaker 2: do it. He refuses. You know, it's part of it.

1297
01:06:14,280 --> 01:06:15,560
Speaker 2: I think you got to do it.

1298
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:19,240
Speaker 1: And I think sometimes with Lincoln it's this sort of Hey,

1299
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,680
Speaker 1: I want to control stuff, like like he did a

1300
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:24,400
Speaker 1: lot of this this year. Hey we're close. It's not

1301
01:06:24,520 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 1: that bad, Lincoln. This is a sophisticated market. People here

1302
01:06:29,560 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: bail on you. I mean outside of the Dodgers and Lakers,

1303
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:36,800
Speaker 1: people bail on teams. Here, they bail on you fast.

1304
01:06:37,120 --> 01:06:40,880
Speaker 1: He's trying to sell us something like like like it's Oklahoma,

1305
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,120
Speaker 1: Like it's the only thing we have. Dude, Alex Grinch

1306
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:46,919
Speaker 1: over his head. I was watching the Lions Chargers today.

1307
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:48,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, did Alex Grinch get hired?

1308
01:06:48,680 --> 01:06:48,760
Speaker 2: Like?

1309
01:06:48,800 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? It doesn't work. So I

1310
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: do think I like Lincoln, but don't try to sell

1311
01:06:55,360 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: la on this sort of Hey we're close. Where that No,

1312
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 1: this looks like Clayton, That's what it looks like.

1313
01:07:02,160 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: Well, think about the fifty year old guy goes Lincoln.

1314
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 2: I watched Pete Carroll's team. They had ten out of

1315
01:07:08,120 --> 01:07:10,760
Speaker 2: their eleven starters were always top three round draft picks.

1316
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 2: I know what tackling looks like. Where at Oklahoma they

1317
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,320
Speaker 2: were so glad to have a dynamic offense, right, he

1318
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:20,280
Speaker 2: revolutionized them. They needed him. It's like, hey, Lincoln, we

1319
01:07:20,400 --> 01:07:23,760
Speaker 2: won national titles here, We've produced first round offensive players

1320
01:07:23,840 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 2: many times. You're not gonna be the first guy to

1321
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:28,480
Speaker 2: send a guy in from this program to get drafted

1322
01:07:28,520 --> 01:07:31,000
Speaker 2: number one. Overall, we've had some quarterbacks along the way.

1323
01:07:31,080 --> 01:07:32,920
Speaker 2: Just walk through hard to Chaull and I think he

1324
01:07:33,040 --> 01:07:36,440
Speaker 2: really struggled at understanding. It's like Lebron, like, we're comparing

1325
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:38,680
Speaker 2: you to Kobe, not some other person. This is hard.

1326
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 2: It is difficult play for the forty nine ers like

1327
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: Joe Montana, Steve Young. That's that's the barrior. And I

1328
01:07:45,240 --> 01:07:49,800
Speaker 2: just think there is a where you grow up dictates

1329
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:52,720
Speaker 2: your personality. And listen, I got along in the East

1330
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: Coast because I can be edgy and yeah, sometimes my

1331
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,160
Speaker 2: personality relates to the Philly, New York guy, but at

1332
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:00,200
Speaker 2: my core, I can also have the Californi and you

1333
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:03,520
Speaker 2: chill like, that's what I grew up around for eighteen

1334
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,320
Speaker 2: years being in Sacramento, California. Lincoln grew up. I don't

1335
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,720
Speaker 2: know the exact city, but somewhere in Texas. Then he

1336
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,440
Speaker 2: went to Lubbock. It's ingrained, and then he spent all

1337
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:16,280
Speaker 2: that time at Oklahoma. I understand they gave him so

1338
01:08:16,479 --> 01:08:21,120
Speaker 2: much money. It was an incredible opportunity. I just don't like, Okay,

1339
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: Caleb Leeve, what are they gonna do? Like, by the way,

1340
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 2: he's gonna be way better next year, I don't see it.

1341
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,639
Speaker 1: Here's the other thing in his offense, which which isn't

1342
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:32,559
Speaker 1: sort of the There there are elements of Mike Leech's offense,

1343
01:08:32,560 --> 01:08:36,160
Speaker 1: but it's not for sure air raid. That top defensive

1344
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:39,439
Speaker 1: coordinators they don't they don't want to work for a

1345
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:42,400
Speaker 1: coach like that because I mean, look at look at

1346
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:45,720
Speaker 1: the history of defensive coordinators of something that looks like

1347
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 1: the air raid, their career goes into the can. So

1348
01:08:48,960 --> 01:08:51,400
Speaker 1: it's I don't think. I mean, there's there's that guy

1349
01:08:51,439 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 1: that's at Oklahoma State. Derek Mason's a good coordinator. In

1350
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: San Diego State has a good one. But when you

1351
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:58,679
Speaker 1: start spreading the ball out, a lot of these defensive

1352
01:08:58,680 --> 01:09:02,200
Speaker 1: coordinators they want to be head coaches. They don't want

1353
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:06,680
Speaker 1: an offensive coach. They want physicality, and you know that's

1354
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:10,080
Speaker 1: why by the way, hardball his gut. That's why Urban,

1355
01:09:10,439 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: that's why Nick Saban. He gets great coordinator, lose him,

1356
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:18,160
Speaker 1: get another because that style, that physicality for a defensive coordinator.

1357
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:22,639
Speaker 1: It feels like the NFL, like Lincoln's offense. Lincoln doesn't.

1358
01:09:22,800 --> 01:09:25,880
Speaker 1: That's not the NFL. That's college and I think it's

1359
01:09:26,280 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 1: gonna be a hard and plus usc LA's expensive. What

1360
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,240
Speaker 1: do you gotta pay a guy here two and a

1361
01:09:30,280 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 1: half million? They're not gonna pay that for a DC.

1362
01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 2: No, because they make one point eight two in the SEC,

1363
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 2: which is dramatically cheap or less taxes to live. So

1364
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm with you, And the other thing is listen, you

1365
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: and I will both make fun of the Big Ten.

1366
01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're speed beside, like Ohio State and Michigan, But

1367
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:49,439
Speaker 2: that is a physical conference. And if Lincoln has a quarterback,

1368
01:09:49,479 --> 01:09:51,400
Speaker 2: that's not a top two round and maybe a fourth

1369
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,840
Speaker 2: round or one year. If you're at your team the physicality,

1370
01:09:54,920 --> 01:09:58,360
Speaker 2: you're gonna run into some losses on the road if

1371
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:00,479
Speaker 2: you don't have the ethos of be a tough and

1372
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 2: physical team and the way you practice. Clearly we've seen

1373
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:06,519
Speaker 2: at Oklahoma now at US he's not even debatable. You're

1374
01:10:06,560 --> 01:10:08,639
Speaker 2: just not gonna be a tough team. So the only

1375
01:10:08,680 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 2: way to win is to just out recruit everybody, and

1376
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:14,559
Speaker 2: that's he's gonna recruit itself. But Dan Lanning's recruiting his

1377
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:16,360
Speaker 2: ass off. We know a lot of state recruits his

1378
01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:19,040
Speaker 2: ass off. We'll see what you know, Harbaugh. I mean,

1379
01:10:19,080 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 2: do you think Harbay's gonna leave now? With all this

1380
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,680
Speaker 2: going on? He's kind of a wild card. You know.

1381
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 1: The NFL is tough man Chicago. Everybody says, oh Chicago,

1382
01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: they have the oldest and one of the poorest owners.

1383
01:10:30,479 --> 01:10:32,599
Speaker 2: That's it. They're gonna pa him fifteen million. I don't know.

1384
01:10:33,360 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 1: And then you start looking around at all the Yeah.

1385
01:10:35,560 --> 01:10:38,920
Speaker 1: I mean, if Brandon Staley left, then it's really really attractive.

1386
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:39,320
Speaker 2: Right.

1387
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:43,040
Speaker 1: But the last great job was Matt Lafleur getting Aaron

1388
01:10:43,120 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: Rodgers kind of late prime but prime. McCarthy getting dak

1389
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:49,960
Speaker 1: Zeke and that all line. That's a hell of a job.

1390
01:10:50,200 --> 01:10:55,120
Speaker 1: The Chargers with three pass rushers left tackle the center.

1391
01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:58,760
Speaker 1: That's a pretty good job. But let me tell you something,

1392
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:00,840
Speaker 1: there gonna be a lot of want that job in

1393
01:11:00,880 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 1: the Spanos family never spent that kind of money, never

1394
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:05,639
Speaker 1: on a coach, but.

1395
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:07,960
Speaker 2: Would and Dean would he be willing because they went

1396
01:11:07,960 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 2: through it a little bit with AJ Smith and Marty

1397
01:11:11,160 --> 01:11:13,960
Speaker 2: and Harbaugh's way crazier than that version of Marty. But

1398
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:17,200
Speaker 2: Marty was a big personality. Wasn't just into super ideas

1399
01:11:17,240 --> 01:11:21,280
Speaker 2: from everybody starting with the owner. And Harbaugh definitely isn't

1400
01:11:21,360 --> 01:11:23,840
Speaker 2: just coming into a think tank on a weekly basis. Oh,

1401
01:11:23,880 --> 01:11:26,320
Speaker 2: Dean and your sons. You feed me with some information.

1402
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 2: So it's more than just paying him. It's more just

1403
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: do you want to deal with them? And you've been

1404
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: talking about this at Michigan. He's he guarantees you to win.

1405
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,439
Speaker 2: He's four for four, but there is more that comes

1406
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:39,200
Speaker 2: with it. And let's face it, these owners are so

1407
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: rich now you know, It's like I could win with Harbab,

1408
01:11:42,439 --> 01:11:44,080
Speaker 2: but I'd rather try to find someone else for a

1409
01:11:44,120 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: little cheaper and then listen.

1410
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that the sons are vital in the

1411
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,240
Speaker 1: front office. I do not think the Spanoss would hire Harbor.

1412
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:52,080
Speaker 1: I think they'd give it to Kellen Moore on a

1413
01:11:52,160 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: cheap idel and he could, he could succeed. I think

1414
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:58,719
Speaker 1: he's bright. I think they're very good red zone team

1415
01:11:58,760 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: now they weren't a good red zon own team last year.

1416
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:02,640
Speaker 1: They are a good red zone team. They were a

1417
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: bad second half offense last year. They're a good second

1418
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,800
Speaker 1: half offense. A Kellen Moore is clearly working. And by

1419
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:09,559
Speaker 1: the way, that was with Mike Williams. They don't have

1420
01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,519
Speaker 1: Mike Williams, so I mean that's Mike's a big, big

1421
01:12:12,600 --> 01:12:15,479
Speaker 1: downfield target. That's why they drafted Quentin Johnston. You know,

1422
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 1: Mike was getting older, getting beat up. So it's all

1423
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: very fun, Okay, john middle cough three and out. We're

1424
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: gonna do an hour now on Sundays, closer to it

1425
01:12:25,600 --> 01:12:29,040
Speaker 1: because we get great feedback. We see the numbers, and Buddy,

1426
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,599
Speaker 1: this was just a lot of fun. I love this man.

1427
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:34,760
Speaker 2: Well, we watched football weekend, Colin, we might as well

1428
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,080
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