Speaker 1: Hey, the folks. It is Wednesday, September third, and we
Speaker 1: need to talk about what is happening in Houston. Welcome
Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. You and
Speaker 1: I have gone back and forth about this story quite
Speaker 1: a bit since we got a word over it over
Speaker 1: the weekend. But an eleven year old boy shot and
Speaker 1: killed after playing a prank door not what is it
Speaker 1: called door?
Speaker 2: It's a ding dong dish, ding dong ditch.
Speaker 1: Is the name of it. What do we call it?
Speaker 2: When we were kids, just pranking, like let's let's knock
Speaker 2: on their door and run away and then watch them
Speaker 2: come out and look for who it is and laugh. Yes,
Speaker 2: I absolutely played this as a kid.
Speaker 1: Okay, So that is what an eleven year old boy
Speaker 1: in Houston was doing, just like so many of us
Speaker 1: were doing we were kids. And he ends up debt
Speaker 1: because he was shot in the back as he was
Speaker 1: running away from a house. And whoever was in that house.
Speaker 1: A man has now been arrested, he has been charged,
Speaker 1: and he is being held as we speak on a
Speaker 1: one million dollar bond. He was in court today. We
Speaker 1: want to get you caught up here, folks, but we
Speaker 1: this does need to come robes with a warning and
Speaker 1: alert to us all to parents in particular, that is
Speaker 1: not a game anyway. You can get killed playing a game.
Speaker 1: It's a prank. Kids shouldn't do it, don't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: But that's not the point that nobody's suggesting that this
Speaker 1: kid did anything wrong that night.
Speaker 2: He didn't do anything worthy of what happened to him, certainly,
Speaker 2: and to actually get the details of how it all unfolded,
Speaker 2: and it started at a birthday party and you got
Speaker 2: two bored boys, cousins who kind of just sneaked out
Speaker 2: from the party and decided to have some fun, ringing
Speaker 2: doorbells and running away. To think that it ended with
Speaker 2: eleven year old Julian Guzman shot multiple times in the back,
Speaker 2: and it was all caught on camera.
Speaker 1: So let's and folks, there is certain oh my god, right,
Speaker 1: so many elements of the story that don't make any sense.
Speaker 1: But where we are, and I want you to pick
Speaker 1: up on the details of the night here in a second.
Speaker 1: But to get you all caught up, today was the
Speaker 1: day the suspect, which he's not necessarily denying that he
Speaker 1: did the shooting. He says some contact is this context
Speaker 1: is necessary. Gonzalo Leon Junior, forty two year old man
Speaker 1: has now been charged with murder in the killing of
Speaker 1: this eleven year old boy after a prank and he
Speaker 1: chased the kid essentially down the street shoots him in
Speaker 1: the back. Kid is dead now. He that happened on
Speaker 1: last Saturday. Robes. He wasn't arrested until Tuesday. He has
Speaker 1: made a court appearance now in which he is being
Speaker 1: held on one million dollars bond. Now go back Robes
Speaker 1: to Saturday night. And the first thing I thought, eleven
Speaker 1: year old kid, eleven o'clock at night, why does no
Speaker 1: one know where he is? That's the parent in me talking.
Speaker 1: That wasn't me trying to say he got what he
Speaker 1: should have expected, something bad. And no, that's not what
Speaker 1: you're saying. That was my first thought. But now we
Speaker 1: got more details about exactly what he was doing that night.
Speaker 2: Right, he was at a family birthday party, and you know,
Speaker 2: the adults were probably doing their thing and the kids
Speaker 2: got bored, and so yeah, they kind of just took
Speaker 2: off at night while everyone was preoccupied at this birthday party,
Speaker 2: and they started doing the ringing of the doorbells and
Speaker 2: running away. And when it came to the home of
Speaker 2: Gonzalo Leon Junior. They had already done it twice. They
Speaker 2: had pranked him twice, and it was the third time
Speaker 2: he was waiting for them. According to Julian's cousin who
Speaker 2: was there, who gave police a lot of the information,
Speaker 2: who was actually able to give police the description that
Speaker 2: led them to finally arresting Gonzalo Leon Junior. But he
Speaker 2: said that this man was waiting for them in the
Speaker 2: dark on the side of the house with a gun
Speaker 2: in his hand and fired a warning shot into the ground.
Speaker 2: First don't know why he didn't stop there, because the
Speaker 2: boys took off running, and that is when he then
Speaker 2: fired multiple shots that hit eleven year old Julian and
Speaker 2: he fell to the ground, and his cousin described trying
Speaker 2: to drag him away from where the bullets were. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just it's it's horrific. And here is the detail
Speaker 2: that really is going to take your breath away. Julian
Speaker 2: was videoing this the entire time on his cell phone
Speaker 2: because this whole thing, these these pranks, it's it's big
Speaker 2: on TikTok, and we've got plenty of other unfortunate incidents
Speaker 2: to point to some of them deadly over the last
Speaker 2: even the last few months, but certainly over the past
Speaker 2: couple of years, where kids are filming their attempt at
Speaker 2: pranking and thinking it's funny. So he has it all
Speaker 2: on his cell phone from the moment he rang the
Speaker 2: doorbell and ran to you hear the shots ringing out
Speaker 2: to you. Actually hear him taking his final breaths.
Speaker 1: I hope this guy pleads and that never has to
Speaker 1: make it to the light of day, because they're going
Speaker 1: to have to use that in a trial, are they not?
Speaker 1: In open court?
Speaker 2: It's absolute evidence.
Speaker 1: I hope that never makes it to the light of day.
Speaker 2: Can you imagine as a juror having to watch that,
Speaker 2: any human being having to watch that and hear that
Speaker 2: and know what happened. It's unreal actually to think that
Speaker 2: it's all captured.
Speaker 1: So he has now been charged, yes, with murder, held
Speaker 1: on one million dollar bond, which is what happened in
Speaker 1: court today. But today is Robes and we got a
Speaker 1: lot more detail and we got an idea of what
Speaker 1: happened and where the prosecution wants to go with this,
Speaker 1: and where even the defense wants to.
Speaker 2: Go with it.
Speaker 1: And yes they do already have kind of a defense
Speaker 1: forming Robes. It's hard to imagine. And if we go
Speaker 1: back through these details in which I am struggling with,
Speaker 1: and the new detail for me, at least I found
Speaker 1: out today is that he was waiting in the shadows.
Speaker 1: He was waiting. He was mad, well, he was mad.
Speaker 1: But Robes, if he was waiting, didn't he see that
Speaker 1: there was a child approaching his door?
Speaker 2: Of course he had to have seen it as a child.
Speaker 1: How I am struggling to find any way, because they
Speaker 1: said in court his defense attorney, there needs to be
Speaker 1: everybody needs to not jump to conclusions. You need to
Speaker 1: wait until you have a full context of the night's events.
Speaker 2: Okay, they called it a tragic accident.
Speaker 1: Robes, how in God's name now? Because I thought initially
Speaker 1: when I first heard eleven year old shot prank, I say,
Speaker 1: oh my god, some guy scared the hell out of
Speaker 1: some guy. He went to the doors, just started firing
Speaker 1: in a panic, right and hit the kid. That's what
Speaker 1: that was the first thought. Wait, the kid was running
Speaker 1: down the street, and now I hear the guy was
Speaker 1: waiting in the wings. I don't understand.
Speaker 2: You can't justify that in any way and then the
Speaker 2: autopsy clearly showed that the boy at the time of
Speaker 2: when the bullet hit him, he was twenty feet away
Speaker 2: from the gun. So he was far enough away from
Speaker 2: this man. He was not a threat. He wasn't running
Speaker 2: to him, he was running away from him, and he
Speaker 2: was already twenty feet away, and he was far away
Speaker 2: from this man's house. So there's really a hard like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you could defend any of his
Speaker 2: actions based on any of the current laws that are
Speaker 2: in place right now. We really did do a bit
Speaker 2: of a deep dive on your standard ground law. Of course,
Speaker 2: that is something that most likely will come up, and
Speaker 2: there is actually something I went into the Texas dot
Speaker 2: gov and looked up some of these possible scenarios and
Speaker 2: it specific references trespassers. Okay, so you could say that
Speaker 2: this eleven year old boy was a truspasser. So when
Speaker 2: you enter onto or into someone's property, and even especially
Speaker 2: if you've been told to leave by someone with authority.
Speaker 2: So we don't know if he had yelled at them
Speaker 2: earlier or no, there's no report that he did, but
Speaker 2: still he's going on someone else's property. So okay, fine,
Speaker 2: he was trespassing. But they say, if you grab your
Speaker 2: firearm and you go outside and you fire a shot
Speaker 2: at a trespasser or someone who is merely creeping around
Speaker 2: your yard, you will likely find yourself facing a serious felony.
Speaker 2: Texas law only permits the use of force, not deadly force.
Speaker 2: And you certainly that's it's a gray area when you
Speaker 2: just have someone who's trespassing. Oh, now, make that someone
Speaker 2: an eleven year old boy.
Speaker 1: Okay, But if that trespasser is running away from your
Speaker 1: home and is twenty feet away from you, I thought
Speaker 1: you were stopping me, like, oh, no.
Speaker 2: You're right, No, no, no, you're right. I see, I hear
Speaker 2: what you're saying.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it. And a lot of folks
Speaker 1: from the South, you and I spend a lot of
Speaker 1: time growing up in the South. Was in Atlanta, and
Speaker 1: I'm a gun owner. I was a gun owner in
Speaker 1: Atlanta at least, excuse me, let me make sure I
Speaker 1: live in New York. Now I am no longer a
Speaker 1: gun owner, but I was down there, and there we stand.
Speaker 1: Your ground law and castle doctrine is what we were
Speaker 1: talking about earlier. There are laws in certain states that
Speaker 1: if someone is on your property. Uninvited, you don't have
Speaker 1: to ask questions. You can shoot and kill that person.
Speaker 1: The castle doctrine, they're uninvited in your home, on your property,
Speaker 1: you have no duty to retreat in any way, form,
Speaker 1: or fashion. That's one thing. The stand your ground law
Speaker 1: is another. Yes, we listened to this rogues and we're thinking,
Speaker 1: how could he possibly a eleven year old kid running away?
Speaker 1: But if this comes up, remember George Zimmermann was found
Speaker 1: not guilty in the death of Trayvon for second degree
Speaker 1: murder based on stand your ground. Jordan Davis he was
Speaker 1: killed by Michael Dunn. That case in Florida as well.
Speaker 1: This wasn't that a home. They were at a gas station.
Speaker 1: The kid was playing music louder than the dude liked,
Speaker 1: and he shot and killed him. First trial hung jury
Speaker 1: based on stand your ground. He was found guilty later.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying I would never imagine in those two cases.
Speaker 1: I could never imagine in this case. But I've been
Speaker 1: wrong before.
Speaker 2: That's frightening. It's frightening because it will be hard for
Speaker 2: this man to be able to justify that he didn't
Speaker 2: know this was an unarmed child. It will be hard
Speaker 2: for this man to somehow prove to a jury that
Speaker 2: he felt threatened. Now, he's a father, he is a husband,
Speaker 2: His wife and his toddler daughter were inside the home.
Speaker 2: We know that much. And he really hasn't said much
Speaker 2: at all. In fact, police said when they went to
Speaker 2: talk to him that evening, because they actually went out
Speaker 2: and talked to him and released him, he didn't answer
Speaker 2: any of their questions. He didn't acknowledge anything, He didn't
Speaker 2: claim to know anything. He completely closed his mouth, did
Speaker 2: not say a word. And you know, anyone who is
Speaker 2: potentially going to be charged with the crime, they'll tell
Speaker 2: you that's the right thing to do, remember, protecting yourself.
Speaker 1: We were covering the story and we said the kid
Speaker 1: was shot on Saturday. Then we come to Sunday, then
Speaker 1: we come to month. What the hell are they waiting
Speaker 1: on they? Why hasn't anybody been arrested? Makes sense? Now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said nothing. He wouldn't even acknowledge that he
Speaker 2: knew what had happened. So they had to go through
Speaker 2: other means, especially the cousin. They leaned on him heavily
Speaker 2: to try and get the description to be able to
Speaker 2: arrest him. But he has not spoken at all. About
Speaker 2: what happened, how it happened, why it happened. He hasn't
Speaker 2: shown remorse, He hasn't said a word.
Speaker 1: He said the cousin, can you imagine?
Speaker 2: No, And he said he wished he could have done more.
Speaker 2: I mean, can you imagine he saw it all happen
Speaker 2: and he's going to with that for the rest of
Speaker 2: his life.
Speaker 1: They were just out and you know what, Robes I
Speaker 1: have done and we need to and you know what,
Speaker 1: We're going to get into this because warnings. Police are
Speaker 1: putting out warnings, parents are putting out warnings across the
Speaker 1: country to talk to your kids about this. Ding I
Speaker 1: keep getting wrong, Ding Ding dong ditch ding dong ditch prank.
Speaker 1: And I thought it was Look, I've done it before
Speaker 1: as a kid. You run up, you hit the doorbell,
Speaker 1: and you run away. Folks, that's not actually what a
Speaker 1: lot of these kids are doing. It's much more aggressive,
Speaker 1: severe and scary than what we used to do as kids.
Speaker 1: So we want to tell you what that is about.
Speaker 1: And we also want to go through a number of
Speaker 1: recent incidents, and there are some people spending the rest
Speaker 1: of their lives in prison without the possibility of parole
Speaker 1: because they reacted after somebody pranked them, all right, folks,
Speaker 1: Continuing now here on Amy and TJ, look where there
Speaker 1: is a lot of focus on the eleven year old
Speaker 1: boy who was shot and killed in Houston after the
Speaker 1: Ding Dong ditch prank he played down there in Houston.
Speaker 1: But Robes, this has been something that police have been
Speaker 1: warning about and parents have been warning about for a
Speaker 1: while because again you said you remember doing it as
Speaker 1: a kid. Yeah, right, I remember doing it. Is you
Speaker 1: go up and you ring the doorbell and you run away.
Speaker 2: And at the end of it, absolutely like dare you
Speaker 2: do it? No, you do it and go up and
Speaker 2: you'd run and you'd run so fast and you go
Speaker 2: hide in the woods or somewhere where you could see
Speaker 2: the person come out and you'd laugh. That was it.
Speaker 1: That's it, okay, folks, That's not what they're necessarily doing
Speaker 1: these days. They are and again you can see all
Speaker 1: this stuff on Tick. There's a whole section curated just
Speaker 1: for these videos and people are making them and what
Speaker 1: they're doing they're not just doing it once or twice,
Speaker 1: they're doing it three.
Speaker 2: Times, banging loudly, and so.
Speaker 1: They're not just ringing the doorbell. Or knocking. They are
Speaker 1: running and almost punching and kicking the doors. It would
Speaker 1: scare the hell out of you if somebody did this
Speaker 1: to you in the middle of the night. And in
Speaker 1: some cases robes. The kids have been wearing damn.
Speaker 2: Sche mask ski masks because it makes the video funnier
Speaker 2: and it.
Speaker 1: Keeps you from being identified by all the damn ring cams.
Speaker 1: So if somebody in a sche mask is outside my
Speaker 1: home at one am, banging and kicking the door, why
Speaker 1: am I supposed to take them as anything other than
Speaker 1: a threat. That's the conversation you gotta have.
Speaker 2: With your kids, because they see it on TikTok. They
Speaker 2: think it's fun, and everyone wants to one up, right,
Speaker 2: So you want to make a better video, a more
Speaker 2: interesting video, a funnier video, a cooler video, and so
Speaker 2: everyone's trying to up the ante, and it makes things
Speaker 2: all the more dangerous. And it really is frightening because
Speaker 2: you can understand in some of those circumstances where the
Speaker 2: homeowner yes would potentially have a violent reaction going into
Speaker 2: self defense mode or defending your family mode, that actually
Speaker 2: makes sense. That is not I mean, look, I'm sure, look, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm sure what happened in this most recent case. Obviously
Speaker 2: he was waiting for him, so he knew they were kids,
Speaker 2: but he was pissed, he was angry, He was pissed
Speaker 2: off his kid. Maybe he woke his baby up, maybe
Speaker 2: the baby's you know who knows. And sure, I'm sure
Speaker 2: that was annoying, and that was irritating and he was angry.
Speaker 2: But to have it rise to that level is in
Speaker 2: that case just not at all warranty anyway out.
Speaker 1: Of it and said he was an army vet.
Speaker 2: We did not say that he's an army vet.
Speaker 1: And I didn't see you said they found a boatload
Speaker 1: of guns.
Speaker 2: Authority searched his home. They recovered twenty firearms, including and
Speaker 2: this is the words they use, a handful of ar
Speaker 2: style rifles, shotguns, and medium caliber pistols. So this is
Speaker 2: a man who was heavily armed in his own home.
Speaker 1: But you would also assume, okay, he's an army vet.
Speaker 1: He's trained, not just trained to use a weapon. I'm
Speaker 1: saying he's trained to deal in stressful situations. Here, I
Speaker 1: would argue, how you see, how you you how do
Speaker 1: you calculate an eleven year old boy as a threat
Speaker 1: to your home or your family, to the point you
Speaker 1: have to shoot him as he's running. I don't He
Speaker 1: had to have been out of his mind in a
Speaker 1: rage like he had an out of body experienced rope.
Speaker 1: I cannot understand how anything is going to explain this one.
Speaker 2: No, and I don't think it is explainable. But he's
Speaker 2: not the only person who has reacted this way.
Speaker 1: And some of them rolled in some of these cases, folks,
Speaker 1: and they have been deaths. There have been a number
Speaker 1: of deaths in this country connected to ding I keep
Speaker 1: messing up ding dong ditch. Yes, what did we call it?
Speaker 1: Just a doorbell dash.
Speaker 2: Or a doorbell dash whatever. I think we would just say,
Speaker 2: let's go ring doorbells and run away. And we didn't
Speaker 2: have a clever name. There were no hashtags back then,
Speaker 2: and certainly we weren't videoing it, were posting it. You know,
Speaker 2: there's none of that. It was just for the experience.
Speaker 2: It wasn't to show it to anyone else or to
Speaker 2: show off to anyone else. It was just because simply
Speaker 2: we were bored.
Speaker 1: One of the most horrific ones wrote incidents, the one
Speaker 1: in southern California. And this is one that many people cite.
Speaker 1: But I thought this was going to be a case
Speaker 1: of this is so unbelievable because he didn't just react
Speaker 1: by shooting somebody outside of his door. He got this
Speaker 1: random down.
Speaker 2: He chased them down. Yeah, twenty twenty southern California, he
Speaker 2: killed three sixteen year old boys. He got into his
Speaker 2: car and rammed them off the road, like rammed into them.
Speaker 2: So he hit their vehicle twice. The speeds got up
Speaker 2: to one hundred miles an hour because he was chasing
Speaker 2: them and they were scared. H So, yes, three sixteen
Speaker 2: year olds died. He was sentenced to life in prison
Speaker 2: without the possibility of parole over a damn doorbell prank.
Speaker 1: Yep, he is in life for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in prison for the rest of his life. And
Speaker 2: just this past May, so May of this year, we
Speaker 2: only have to go to Virginia, an eighteen year old
Speaker 2: was shot and killed while recording same thing, a ding
Speaker 2: dong ditch prank. Now, the twenty seven year old who
Speaker 2: he was pranking is facing a second to green murder
Speaker 2: charge for that. So you know, this is this is
Speaker 2: something that has been deadly for multiple years. So in
Speaker 2: just July of this year, so we're talking two months ago.
Speaker 2: This is also in Texas. A man was charged after
Speaker 2: he's shot at the car carrying the group of teenagers.
Speaker 2: So they were taking off in the car, but he
Speaker 2: shot at them and so he got three counts of
Speaker 2: aggravated assault, thank goodness. But he could have killed them,
Speaker 2: He could have shot them. He just happened to miss.
Speaker 2: So he is still facing serious charges for that. But
Speaker 2: he got so angry. Yeah, shot at them in their
Speaker 2: car taking off.
Speaker 1: And if you don't want to know what we're talking
Speaker 1: about and how some of these are aggressive. The police
Speaker 1: in Arizona, Chandler, Arizona, when was it, I don't have
Speaker 1: a note, but it was this summer. They warned people
Speaker 1: about this by putting out videos that they had captured
Speaker 1: of these kids doing it. And it gives you an
Speaker 1: idea and how scary it could be for a homeowner
Speaker 1: to have this happened at your front door. So if
Speaker 1: you get a chance again Chandler, Arizona police, just look
Speaker 1: that up. Google them and look up just video, door, dock, whatever,
Speaker 1: and you'll see it and it'll give you an idea
Speaker 1: of what we're talking.
Speaker 2: This one they said was called a door kicking challenge.
Speaker 2: So it was this in the same vein. But yes,
Speaker 2: this is when they're kicking the door. And they actually
Speaker 2: showed some of these teens targeting the same home. One
Speaker 2: home was hit eighteen times, so they go back to
Speaker 2: the same people just to aggravate that torments.
Speaker 1: Yeah awful. And so what do you do and how
Speaker 1: do you retaliate as a homeowner? You shoot eleven year
Speaker 1: old boy?
Speaker 2: No? No, never, obviously No.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought about this earlier. I wanted to discussion.
Speaker 1: I don't know it, but it was my reaction in Atlanta,
Speaker 1: my house in Atlanta. I was there by myself, and
Speaker 1: one night I started hearing things knocking on the door.
Speaker 1: You've been in the house there, you know, upset by
Speaker 1: yourself and there it feelstle, scary, a little scary. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I heard things outside hitting my window. I thought
Speaker 1: somebody was trying to get into the house or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know what the first thing I did, I went
Speaker 1: and grabbed my gun. I went and grabbed my six
Speaker 1: hour nine milimeters pistol and got it in my hand,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I went to the front room
Speaker 1: to the library and started looking out trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what was going on. And then when I finally
Speaker 1: saw egg yolk going down my window, it was freaking Halloween.
Speaker 1: Kids were playing some prank with some joke, some doings,
Speaker 1: and they were just pelting me that night, thrown eggs. Okay, fine,
Speaker 1: But I am saying in a moment like that, At
Speaker 1: that moment that night, I had no idea that kids
Speaker 1: were playing a prank. I wasn't about to go shoot
Speaker 1: a kid, but I didn't know what was happening. And
Speaker 1: my first mode of operation was to protection. There's a
Speaker 1: threat outside, let me see what it is. So I
Speaker 1: put myself in this context of that to how quickly
Speaker 1: I did calm down. You figure out what's going on
Speaker 1: in the moment. But if somebody's banging on your door
Speaker 1: or whatever else, it's going to scare the hell out
Speaker 1: of you. It just does. And I, how do you
Speaker 1: why are we so desperate now? These kids for mindless entertainment?
Speaker 1: It's one thing. So it's not even like you're you
Speaker 1: got a joy out of watching it as a kid
Speaker 1: doing it yourself.
Speaker 2: For now everybody else, this is about getting likes and
Speaker 2: about getting reposted and about going viral. So that's all
Speaker 2: you know, And that is where parents do need to
Speaker 2: step in and talk to their kids. If you know
Speaker 2: your kids are doing this, know what they're posting on
Speaker 2: TikTok see what is you know what their pastimes are.
Speaker 2: It seems like they're doing something harmless, but this could
Speaker 2: actually and has proven to be deadly, and so it
Speaker 2: it's just a warning to everyone involved that this is happening.
Speaker 2: Parents need to talk to their kids, but homeowners need
Speaker 2: to recognize also that it's possible and just you know,
Speaker 2: you just the first reaction can't be violence. The prosecutor
Speaker 2: today was pretty remarkable. He was, you know, he knows
Speaker 2: he has a really a global audience at this point
Speaker 2: because this has become a national story and a worldwide
Speaker 2: story in this Houston area. And he said something, and
Speaker 2: it's a quote worth repeating. He said, today one lost
Speaker 2: a little boy before he even got to start his life,
Speaker 2: and another has a father and husband facing life in
Speaker 2: prison because of one angry act, just one bad decision,
Speaker 2: one maybe even split second decision, and two families are
Speaker 2: completely destroyed because of it.
Speaker 1: How old did you say? His kid was toddler?
Speaker 2: He has a toddler, toddler daughter. That's how it was
Speaker 2: described yeah, two families completely devastated, will never be the
Speaker 2: same again. So anyway, it's just it's an important story.
Speaker 2: It's an important story to remember on all sides, and
Speaker 2: what we can each do, and how we can talk
Speaker 2: to our kids and remember that sometimes your kids don't
Speaker 2: know they're eleven, I mean eleven. That's what kids do.
Speaker 2: They're silly and they make bad decisions.
Speaker 1: And again, the time it takes to get your gun,
Speaker 1: load it, cock it, walk outside, find a good hiding
Speaker 1: place in the side of your house, and wait. That's
Speaker 1: enough time to calm down. Right after two door knocks,
Speaker 1: he figured something out. He figured something was up. If
Speaker 1: a criminal is coming to kill you or coming to
Speaker 1: harm your family or coming to rob you, they don't
Speaker 1: knock on the door two times before they do it,
Speaker 1: do they? No, he knows good and hell, well, what's
Speaker 1: going on? I'm saying, I do not understand how all
Speaker 1: of that he had, all of those moments and he's
Speaker 1: still in a rage. Enough, he's eleven, and he's not
Speaker 1: a towering eleven year old. He doesn't look like a
Speaker 1: grown ass man. No, he does a baby.
Speaker 2: He does look like a baby.
Speaker 1: How robes do you get the gun loaded, walk outside,
Speaker 1: find a hiding spot, and you're still pissed enough.
Speaker 2: That is what the prosecutor will likely be the jury
Speaker 2: when this goes to trial. But we know that mister
Speaker 2: Leon will be back in court mid October. I believe
Speaker 2: and we will follow this case and hopefully there will
Speaker 2: be no other cases like this. There have been far
Speaker 2: too many just this summer alone, so we hope this
Speaker 2: is the end of it, and maybe this unbelievably tragic
Speaker 2: story will be a warning to so many others out
Speaker 2: there to make sure this does not happen again. But
Speaker 2: thank you for listening to us today. I made Robach
Speaker 2: alongside T. J. Holmes. We do hope you have a
Speaker 2: good rest of your day. Everybody,