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Speaker 1: Hey, the folks. It is Wednesday, September third, and we

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Speaker 1: need to talk about what is happening in Houston. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. You and

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Speaker 1: I have gone back and forth about this story quite

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Speaker 1: a bit since we got a word over it over

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Speaker 1: the weekend. But an eleven year old boy shot and

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Speaker 1: killed after playing a prank door not what is it

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Speaker 2: It's a ding dong dish, ding dong ditch.

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Speaker 1: Is the name of it. What do we call it?

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Speaker 2: When we were kids, just pranking, like let's let's knock

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Speaker 2: come out and look for who it is and laugh. Yes,

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Speaker 2: I absolutely played this as a kid.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So that is what an eleven year old boy

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Speaker 1: in Houston was doing, just like so many of us

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Speaker 1: because he was shot in the back as he was

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Speaker 1: running away from a house. And whoever was in that house.

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Speaker 1: A man has now been arrested, he has been charged,

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Speaker 1: and he is being held as we speak on a

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Speaker 1: one million dollar bond. He was in court today. We

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Speaker 1: want to get you caught up here, folks, but we

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Speaker 1: this does need to come robes with a warning and

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Speaker 1: alert to us all to parents in particular, that is

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Speaker 1: not a game anyway. You can get killed playing a game.

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Speaker 1: It's a prank. Kids shouldn't do it, don't get me wrong.

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Speaker 1: But that's not the point that nobody's suggesting that this

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Speaker 1: kid did anything wrong that night.

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Speaker 2: He didn't do anything worthy of what happened to him, certainly,

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Speaker 2: and to actually get the details of how it all unfolded,

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Speaker 2: and it started at a birthday party and you got

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Speaker 2: two bored boys, cousins who kind of just sneaked out

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Speaker 2: doorbells and running away. To think that it ended with

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Speaker 2: eleven year old Julian Guzman shot multiple times in the back,

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Speaker 2: and it was all caught on camera.

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Speaker 1: So let's and folks, there is certain oh my god, right,

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Speaker 1: so many elements of the story that don't make any sense.

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Speaker 1: But where we are, and I want you to pick

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Speaker 1: up on the details of the night here in a second.

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Speaker 1: But to get you all caught up, today was the

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Speaker 1: day the suspect, which he's not necessarily denying that he

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Speaker 1: did the shooting. He says some contact is this context

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Speaker 1: is necessary. Gonzalo Leon Junior, forty two year old man

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Speaker 1: has now been charged with murder in the killing of

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Speaker 1: this eleven year old boy after a prank and he

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Speaker 1: chased the kid essentially down the street shoots him in

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Speaker 1: the back. Kid is dead now. He that happened on

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Speaker 1: last Saturday. Robes. He wasn't arrested until Tuesday. He has

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Speaker 1: made a court appearance now in which he is being

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Speaker 1: held on one million dollars bond. Now go back Robes

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Speaker 1: to Saturday night. And the first thing I thought, eleven

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Speaker 1: year old kid, eleven o'clock at night, why does no

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Speaker 1: one know where he is? That's the parent in me talking.

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Speaker 1: That wasn't me trying to say he got what he

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Speaker 1: should have expected, something bad. And no, that's not what

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Speaker 2: Right, he was at a family birthday party, and you know,

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Speaker 2: the adults were probably doing their thing and the kids

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Speaker 2: and they started doing the ringing of the doorbells and

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Speaker 2: Gonzalo Leon Junior. They had already done it twice. They

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Speaker 2: had pranked him twice, and it was the third time

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Speaker 2: he was waiting for them. According to Julian's cousin who

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Speaker 2: First don't know why he didn't stop there, because the

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Speaker 2: because this whole thing, these these pranks, it's it's big

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Speaker 1: I hope this guy pleads and that never has to

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Speaker 1: make it to the light of day, because they're going

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Speaker 1: to have to use that in a trial, are they not?

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Speaker 1: In open court?

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Speaker 2: It's absolute evidence.

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Speaker 1: I hope that never makes it to the light of day.

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Speaker 2: Can you imagine as a juror having to watch that,

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Speaker 2: any human being having to watch that and hear that

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Speaker 1: So he has now been charged, yes, with murder, held

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Speaker 1: on one million dollar bond, which is what happened in

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Speaker 1: court today. But today is Robes and we got a

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Speaker 1: lot more detail and we got an idea of what

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Speaker 2: Go with it.

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Speaker 1: And yes they do already have kind of a defense

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Speaker 1: forming Robes. It's hard to imagine. And if we go

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Speaker 1: out today is that he was waiting in the shadows.

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Speaker 1: He was waiting. He was mad, well, he was mad.

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Speaker 1: But Robes, if he was waiting, didn't he see that

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Speaker 2: Of course he had to have seen it as a child.

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Speaker 1: How I am struggling to find any way, because they

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Speaker 1: everybody needs to not jump to conclusions. You need to

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Speaker 1: wait until you have a full context of the night's events.

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Speaker 2: Okay, they called it a tragic accident.

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Speaker 1: Robes, how in God's name now? Because I thought initially

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Speaker 1: when I first heard eleven year old shot prank, I say,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, some guy scared the hell out of

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Speaker 1: some guy. He went to the doors, just started firing

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Speaker 1: in a panic, right and hit the kid. That's what

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Speaker 1: that was the first thought. Wait, the kid was running

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Speaker 2: You can't justify that in any way and then the

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Speaker 2: autopsy clearly showed that the boy at the time of

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Speaker 2: when the bullet hit him, he was twenty feet away

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Speaker 2: this man. He was not a threat. He wasn't running

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Speaker 2: I don't know how you could defend any of his

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Speaker 2: of a deep dive on your standard ground law. Of course,

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Speaker 2: that is something that most likely will come up, and

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Speaker 2: there is actually something I went into the Texas dot

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Speaker 2: gov and looked up some of these possible scenarios and

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Speaker 2: it specific references trespassers. Okay, so you could say that

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Speaker 2: this eleven year old boy was a truspasser. So when

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Speaker 2: you enter onto or into someone's property, and even especially

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Speaker 2: if you've been told to leave by someone with authority.

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Speaker 2: So we don't know if he had yelled at them

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Speaker 2: still he's going on someone else's property. So okay, fine,

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Speaker 2: he was trespassing. But they say, if you grab your

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Speaker 2: at a trespasser or someone who is merely creeping around

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Speaker 2: Texas law only permits the use of force, not deadly force.

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Speaker 2: And you certainly that's it's a gray area when you

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Speaker 2: just have someone who's trespassing. Oh, now, make that someone

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Speaker 2: an eleven year old boy.

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Speaker 1: Okay, But if that trespasser is running away from your

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Speaker 1: you were stopping me, like, oh, no.

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Speaker 2: You're right, No, no, no, you're right. I see, I hear

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Speaker 1: I just don't get it. And a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: from the South, you and I spend a lot of

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Speaker 1: I'm a gun owner. I was a gun owner in

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Speaker 1: Atlanta at least, excuse me, let me make sure I

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Speaker 1: gun owner, but I was down there, and there we stand.

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Speaker 1: Your ground law and castle doctrine is what we were

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Speaker 1: talking about earlier. There are laws in certain states that

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Speaker 1: if someone is on your property. Uninvited, you don't have

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Speaker 1: to ask questions. You can shoot and kill that person.

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Speaker 1: The castle doctrine, they're uninvited in your home, on your property,

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Speaker 1: you have no duty to retreat in any way, form,

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Speaker 1: or fashion. That's one thing. The stand your ground law

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Speaker 1: is another. Yes, we listened to this rogues and we're thinking,

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Speaker 1: how could he possibly a eleven year old kid running away?

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Speaker 1: But if this comes up, remember George Zimmermann was found

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Speaker 1: killed by Michael Dunn. That case in Florida as well.

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Speaker 1: This wasn't that a home. They were at a gas station.

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Speaker 1: The kid was playing music louder than the dude liked,

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Speaker 1: and he shot and killed him. First trial hung jury

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Speaker 1: based on stand your ground. He was found guilty later.

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Speaker 1: But I'm saying I would never imagine in those two cases.

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Speaker 1: I could never imagine in this case. But I've been

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Speaker 2: That's frightening. It's frightening because it will be hard for

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Speaker 2: know this was an unarmed child. It will be hard

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Speaker 2: for this man to somehow prove to a jury that

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Speaker 2: he felt threatened. Now, he's a father, he is a husband,

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Speaker 2: His wife and his toddler daughter were inside the home.

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Speaker 2: We know that much. And he really hasn't said much

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Speaker 2: any of their questions. He didn't acknowledge anything, He didn't

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Speaker 2: claim to know anything. He completely closed his mouth, did

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Speaker 2: potentially going to be charged with the crime, they'll tell

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Speaker 2: you that's the right thing to do, remember, protecting yourself.

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Speaker 1: We were covering the story and we said the kid

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Speaker 1: was shot on Saturday. Then we come to Sunday, then

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Speaker 1: we come to month. What the hell are they waiting

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Speaker 1: on they? Why hasn't anybody been arrested? Makes sense? Now?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he said nothing. He wouldn't even acknowledge that he

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Speaker 2: knew what had happened. So they had to go through

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Speaker 2: other means, especially the cousin. They leaned on him heavily

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Speaker 2: arrest him. But he has not spoken at all. About

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Speaker 1: And some of them rolled in some of these cases, folks,

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Speaker 2: He has a toddler, toddler daughter. That's how it was

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Speaker 2: described yeah, two families completely devastated, will never be the

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Speaker 2: same again. So anyway, it's just it's an important story.

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Speaker 2: It's an important story to remember on all sides, and

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Speaker 2: what we can each do, and how we can talk

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Speaker 2: to our kids and remember that sometimes your kids don't

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Speaker 2: know they're eleven, I mean eleven. That's what kids do.

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Speaker 2: They're silly and they make bad decisions.

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Speaker 1: And again, the time it takes to get your gun,

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Speaker 1: load it, cock it, walk outside, find a good hiding

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Speaker 1: place in the side of your house, and wait. That's

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Speaker 1: enough time to calm down. Right after two door knocks,

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Speaker 1: he figured something out. He figured something was up. If

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Speaker 1: a criminal is coming to kill you or coming to

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Speaker 1: harm your family or coming to rob you, they don't

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Speaker 1: knock on the door two times before they do it,

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Speaker 1: do they? No, he knows good and hell, well, what's

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Speaker 1: going on? I'm saying, I do not understand how all

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Speaker 1: of that he had, all of those moments and he's

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Speaker 1: still in a rage. Enough, he's eleven, and he's not

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Speaker 1: a towering eleven year old. He doesn't look like a

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Speaker 1: grown ass man. No, he does a baby.

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Speaker 2: He does look like a baby.

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Speaker 1: How robes do you get the gun loaded, walk outside,

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Speaker 1: find a hiding spot, and you're still pissed enough.

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Speaker 2: That is what the prosecutor will likely be the jury

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Speaker 2: when this goes to trial. But we know that mister

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Speaker 2: Leon will be back in court mid October. I believe

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Speaker 2: and we will follow this case and hopefully there will

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Speaker 2: be no other cases like this. There have been far

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Speaker 2: too many just this summer alone, so we hope this

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Speaker 2: is the end of it, and maybe this unbelievably tragic

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Speaker 2: story will be a warning to so many others out

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Speaker 2: there to make sure this does not happen again. But

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Speaker 2: thank you for listening to us today. I made Robach

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Speaker 2: alongside T. J. Holmes. We do hope you have a

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Speaker 2: good rest of your day. Everybody,