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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 2: CC Sabbathia Hall of Famer World Series Champ with the

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Speaker 2: Yankees back in nine. MLB's postseason continues this weekend the

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Speaker 2: Divisional Series TBS, Fox Sports one, MLB Network airing pre

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Speaker 2: and postgame coverage. Good to see you again. How old

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Speaker 2: were you with your first playoff game?

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Speaker 3: I was twenty twenty years old my first playoff game

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Speaker 3: pitched in. I just turned twenty one, I'm sorry. Pitched

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Speaker 3: in the playoff game in two thousand and one against

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Speaker 3: the Mariners, that team that had won when they won

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Speaker 3: one hundred and fourteen games, So I pitched game three

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Speaker 3: of that series.

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Speaker 2: What do you remember like being twenty one? How can

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Speaker 2: that help you in a situation like that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, it can help you by not knowing what

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Speaker 3: you're walking into and not understanding, you know, the gravity

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Speaker 3: or the magnitude of the games you're pitching. For me,

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Speaker 3: you know, being a huge fan and sports fan my

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Speaker 3: whole life, and understanding you know, what it meant to

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Speaker 3: be an ace, you know, I'm throwing that up there

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Speaker 3: with air quotations. Being twenty one years old, I wanted

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Speaker 3: to go out and you know, have that postseason that

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Speaker 3: everybody's like, oh my god, look at this guy. You know,

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Speaker 3: he's the greatest pitcher. Jared Wright had just did that

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Speaker 3: in ninety seven. You know, he was the young guy

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Speaker 3: So you know that that was kind of my thinking.

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Speaker 3: I got into the game, and you know, I was

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Speaker 3: a little nervous. I think I gave up three runs

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Speaker 3: and Robbie Alamar comes and he goes, hey, you know

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Speaker 3: how you feeling. I'm like, you know, I'm good. I'll

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Speaker 3: be fine, and he as we're walking back to the bench,

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Speaker 3: he looked and he says, don't shake off en Ard.

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Speaker 3: The rest of the game. En Rds was our catcher.

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Speaker 3: He was like, whatever he puts down, just call the pitchers.

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Speaker 3: So I, you know, didn't shake him off. Go six innings,

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Speaker 3: give up three runs. The only three runs I gave

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Speaker 3: they tell me that Robbie was calling the pitchers for

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Speaker 3: second base. Robbie called the game from second base.

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Speaker 2: W what's it like When Ken Griffy Junior comes to

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Speaker 2: the play.

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Speaker 3: He wasn't on that team. He wasn't on that that was. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: so that was each Rose rookie year. That was uh,

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Speaker 3: So that was that. That was that first year he

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Speaker 2: Okay, and each row had your number.

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Speaker 3: Each row hit me good. That he hit me good

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Speaker 3: up until I figured out I had to move his feet.

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Speaker 3: Once I figured out I had to move his feet,

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Speaker 3: and I get him uncomfortable. Then I then at my

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Speaker 3: later part of my career, I started having some success

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Speaker 2: Explain that moving your feet just.

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Speaker 3: Like getting him off his spot. You know, he was

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Speaker 3: just he would be super comfortable in the box. And

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Speaker 3: you know, for me, you know, I need to be

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Speaker 3: be able to, you know, command the inside part of

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Speaker 3: I actually he threw one up and end like literally

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Speaker 2: Cam Schlitter had eleven pitches of one hundred miles per

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Speaker 2: hour or more. That seems to be the norm. Now

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Speaker 2: I'm surprised when guys don't throw one hundred miles an hour.

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Speaker 2: Where's this going?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but the way he commanded it last night, you know,

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Speaker 2: I remember Mark Grace saying, I'll hit your fastball. I'm

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Speaker 2: It always comes back to the breaking ball, you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, I do think so. I mean honestly,

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Speaker 3: But when I hear these guys talk, you know, I

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Speaker 3: But but if you can't command it, if you can't

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Speaker 2: But if you're throwing that hard, is the philosophy going

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Speaker 3: I think so, I think unless we kind of change

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Speaker 3: You know, I had a twenty two year old, I

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Speaker 3: whoever else, that's when you want to watch the game,

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Speaker 3: when it's Roger Clemens against you know, Pedro, that's the

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Speaker 3: top billing rights. That's how you get god people to

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Speaker 2: We're talking to CC Sabathia, the Hall of Famer joining

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Speaker 2: us on behalf of MLB's postseason coverage. How do you

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Speaker 2: explain Clayton Krushawn's curveball?

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Speaker 3: Now, I mean it's it's uh, it's really twelve to

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Speaker 3: really just kind of him and Barry Zito have had that,

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Speaker 3: that curveball off of that thing, and you know, hitters

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Speaker 3: really have no chance. I mean, and even this year,

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Speaker 3: I feel like, you know, he's pitching so free and

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Speaker 3: understanding and knowing that you know, no matter what happens,

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Speaker 3: his legacy is cemented right Like he's going to the

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. He's got three thousand strikeouts World Series.

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Speaker 3: He's one of the best pictures of the generation. So

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Speaker 3: I feel like this year he's been pitching more free

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Speaker 3: excited hopefully for him to get a start in this playoffs.

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Speaker 2: Anybody similar to show Hey o Tani, if you were

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Speaker 3: I mean no, I don't think there's anything. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I guess I guess you. You can say Barry, but

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Speaker 3: you know Barry can't go out and throw seven and

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Speaker 3: he shut up baseball.

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Speaker 2: Let me take away the pitch. Let me let me

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Speaker 2: take away the pitching part of it. I'm talking about

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Speaker 3: The best I mean left handed. No, there there is

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Speaker 3: the same way. I mean, you know, we show up

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Speaker 3: he hits one hundred mile hour fastball on the INSI

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Speaker 3: way he shows up on you know, on Q. You know,

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Speaker 2: But how defeating is it the first guy you face

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Speaker 3: No, I mean when you're starting. And I think that

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Speaker 3: I'm right there, I'm telling Piztures away from getness thing, right.

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Speaker 3: So for me, it was always like no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: When did you learn or how did you learn about

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Speaker 2: are you taught to hate the Red Sons?

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Speaker 3: No, I think it's just something that happens. And I

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Speaker 2: It was almost fourteen years ago that we had Charlie

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Speaker 2: And I said, PAULI reach out and see if Charlie

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Speaker 6: I died. Nobody told me. Nobody told me. I just

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Speaker 6: No, we're unforcedatus. They said you get ready, we'll get ready,

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Speaker 7: What role I mean this show that we're on right now.

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Speaker 7: Oh interesting, interesting, I don't have any specific recollection of

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Speaker 2: No, but you called in and then you said, hey,

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Speaker 2: It exploded after that because you're basically saying, uh f this,

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Speaker 7: Was it like I announced it with you?

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Speaker 7: Interesting?

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Speaker 7: I don't.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's when you you gave us winning and

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Speaker 2: They couldn't get you, so they thought that. I said,

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Speaker 2: I said that Fritzy, see if we can get Charlie

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Speaker 7: crack and but obviously kept drinking chocolate milk.

438
00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 4: Right.

439
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:12,320
Speaker 2: Tougher to write the book or do the documentary.

440
00:21:14,840 --> 00:21:19,439
Speaker 7: Write the book, Write the book, for sure, Yeah, because

441
00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:23,480
Speaker 7: the doc was a it was a it was difficult.

442
00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:29,000
Speaker 7: The doc required uh so much research and archival and

443
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:34,280
Speaker 7: just you know, building the visual representation from all the

444
00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,960
Speaker 7: you know, all the materials for the whole backstory and

445
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:39,360
Speaker 7: the and the journey.

446
00:21:39,560 --> 00:21:41,120
Speaker 4: So but the.

447
00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:47,120
Speaker 7: Book was was me alone, staring at a screen night

448
00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:47,840
Speaker 7: after night.

449
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,600
Speaker 2: You know, do you ever get mad at yourself while

450
00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,479
Speaker 2: you're writing the book?

451
00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:01,480
Speaker 7: Interesting question, madam myself for you mean, like on a

452
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:04,239
Speaker 7: on a literary level, or for like writing for the

453
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,920
Speaker 7: things that happened that I'm now that I'm now sharing. Yeah.

454
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:12,400
Speaker 7: There were moments, Yeah, there there there were moments. It

455
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 7: was exciting to to tell the stories you know, you know,

456
00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:19,040
Speaker 7: for the first time how they actually happened. But it

457
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:24,080
Speaker 7: was also you know, there there was moment, there were

458
00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:29,480
Speaker 7: moments of reflection where I was like, wow, man, how

459
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,159
Speaker 7: did it? How did it go there? How did it?

460
00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 7: You know?

461
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:34,840
Speaker 4: Where was uh where.

462
00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 7: Was I don't want to say, like, you know, where

463
00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 7: was someone to step in and and and you know,

464
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 7: tap me on the shoulder and pulled the train back

465
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 7: into the station. There were a few moments where that

466
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,879
Speaker 7: that could have happened, and I but I don't know

467
00:22:46,920 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 7: if I would have.

468
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,680
Speaker 4: Been receptive to it, you know. But yeah, no, the some.

469
00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 7: Of the anger did come out of you know, telling

470
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 7: these stories in detail as they occurred. But still like

471
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,240
Speaker 7: it didn't. This could have been a three page chapter

472
00:23:01,320 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 7: and not twenty five to one.

473
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:03,359
Speaker 4: You know.

474
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,720
Speaker 2: Is that your home where you are right now?

475
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:06,600
Speaker 6: Correct?

476
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:07,200
Speaker 7: Yeah?

477
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 2: Do you have any of your memorability? I remember you

478
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 2: saying you you knew you had too much memorabilia when

479
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 2: you had a Ted Williams away Jersey or something in

480
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 2: your underwear drawer.

481
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 7: It was a forty one road Jersey.

482
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 4: How about that?

483
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:23,359
Speaker 7: How about that? And back then I think they had

484
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,600
Speaker 7: like one you know home yeah and one road Jersey. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

485
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 7: well it it was right next to my underwear drawer.

486
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,639
Speaker 7: It Uh, there wasn't a case built yet for it.

487
00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:40,080
Speaker 7: I'd run out of wall and hallway space, you know,

488
00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:43,159
Speaker 7: but I knew in that moment, yeah I have I

489
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:46,720
Speaker 7: have I've arrived at a place of hoarding, and that's

490
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,120
Speaker 7: not that's that's that's not good. That helps no one.

491
00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:51,359
Speaker 2: Do you have any of that memorabilia around?

492
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 7: I don't. I don't.

493
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:56,080
Speaker 4: You sold it base I did.

494
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 7: Yeah. Do you remember Josh Evans, Josh Leland Evans from

495
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 7: Leland's Big Aunty. Yeah, yeah, he sadly passed away like

496
00:24:05,080 --> 00:24:08,720
Speaker 7: four or five years ago, and but he he put

497
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:14,720
Speaker 7: together the Tarlishene auction, but it didn't include the Ruth

498
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:17,600
Speaker 7: contract and the Ruth's ring. I think that was done

499
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 7: separate of that, you know, or from that.

500
00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 2: Any part of you ever wish you weren't an actor

501
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: or hadn't become an actor.

502
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:34,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, there's been there. There's been moments where I've

503
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,800
Speaker 7: had those feelings. I've had those thoughts and just tried

504
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 7: to imagine what any of it would have looked like without.

505
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: That, because it kind of gave you a whole pass.

506
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 2: You were really good at your craft. But because of

507
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:53,920
Speaker 2: that then opened doors and windows and you know everything.

508
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 7: But oh yeah, no, it was it was, it was,

509
00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:01,040
Speaker 7: it was you know all access, yeah, backstage and then

510
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 7: some but it yeah, but it's I think, you know,

511
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:08,520
Speaker 7: one of the central themes of the book is that

512
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 7: it's all about choices, you know, and it's like, I'll

513
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,159
Speaker 7: be out in the world and people will say, you know,

514
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 7: they'll see like a lot of attention in photos and

515
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 7: autographs stuff like that, and they'll say, does this ever

516
00:25:19,680 --> 00:25:21,880
Speaker 7: bother you? And I said, well, you know, if I,

517
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 7: if I don't want to be bothered, the solution to

518
00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:26,679
Speaker 7: that is don't leave your house, right and then I

519
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,399
Speaker 7: and then the other side of that is, you know

520
00:25:28,440 --> 00:25:31,640
Speaker 7: that you worry about the day they stopped coming up, right,

521
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 7: So just sort of on on the on on the

522
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 7: choices front. You know, all access is an amazing place

523
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,199
Speaker 7: to wind up, but it just then it's it's on

524
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:49,399
Speaker 7: the person to then navigate the stuff to embrace and

525
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 7: the stuff to not do that with, you know. And

526
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 7: I sort of went for all of it.

527
00:25:56,680 --> 00:25:56,879
Speaker 3: You know.

528
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 2: Was there an actor who outpartied you.

529
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 7: That's still alive, Well.

530
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: They hopefully they're not dead because of out partying you,

531
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,720
Speaker 2: but right, right right, like a musician or an actor

532
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:18,639
Speaker 2: who outpartied.

533
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 7: You, I think there would there would more likely be

534
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,320
Speaker 7: a rock star. You mean that. I actually saw that

535
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 7: with my own eyes. We partied together and I had

536
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 7: to you tabbed it out. I called it a night,

537
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 7: and he kept going. You know, there was actually one guy.

538
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 7: There was one guy, and it's just it's sucks because

539
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:42,720
Speaker 7: you know, he ultimately got clean and then died in

540
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,480
Speaker 7: a freaking car crash outside of Vegas. And that was

541
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:51,800
Speaker 7: Sam Kennison. Sam would you couldn't. I couldn't keep up

542
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 7: with him, you know. It was Yeah, there were nights

543
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 7: when I was like, all right, buddy, thank you, this

544
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 7: is amazing. These last four days have been amazing. But

545
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 7: I'm gonna I'm gonna go sleep for about seventy hours,

546
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 7: and he'd still be going, you know.

547
00:27:05,840 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 2: Is Charlie Sheen The New York Times best selling book

548
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 2: A Book of Sheen, Netflix documentary aka Charlie Sheen are

549
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 2: both out. Now, give me the movie role that kind

550
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,200
Speaker 2: of represents you who you really are.

551
00:27:20,280 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 7: In a film that I was in or somebody else's

552
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 7: movie that you were in.

553
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 2: Like, what role did you not really have to play

554
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 2: a role?

555
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 7: I think the the closest example would be Two and

556
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 7: a Half Men. I know you said film, yeah, but

557
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 7: I think that's the one that really borrowed from just

558
00:27:45,840 --> 00:27:49,280
Speaker 7: a lot of it borrowed from the fun stuff, didn't

559
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 7: borrow from the dangerous crazy stuff.

560
00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:57,640
Speaker 2: You know, how do you apologize when? Or do you

561
00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 2: or can you apologize?

562
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 7: Yeah, and this is not trying to be cute, but

563
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 7: hopefully and and most of the time in person, in person,

564
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,199
Speaker 7: and and it's it's funny. I was just talking to

565
00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 7: a buddy of mine about this just the other day that, uh,

566
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 7: and I told them that we can't insist we we

567
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:28,480
Speaker 7: can't determine other people's timelines for them to come to

568
00:28:28,520 --> 00:28:33,840
Speaker 7: a place, uh, to to be receptive, to be open

569
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 7: to that to that message, you know. But it's it's

570
00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 7: there's still people, there's still folks out there that I

571
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 7: need to have a sit down with, you know, or

572
00:28:43,920 --> 00:28:46,160
Speaker 7: just at least get on the phone or you know,

573
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:50,680
Speaker 7: one of these. But for the most part, the people

574
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 7: in my life who matter the most. That that's that

575
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 7: that that that's already taken place, and it's an ongoing process.

576
00:28:57,800 --> 00:28:58,000
Speaker 6: You know.

577
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: But even in the documentary, your brother talks fondly about you.

578
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 2: The dad stuff is heartbreaking because your your dad, he

579
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:11,800
Speaker 2: loved you, but he couldn't he couldn't get you. And uh,

580
00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: that that's kind of what hit me pretty hard there is.

581
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 2: You're right there in front of him and he can't

582
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 2: really do anything about it.

583
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

584
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was one of the one of the one

585
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 7: of the moments for me watching it. I I think,

586
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 7: I say in the doc I can't imagine being my dad. Yeah,

587
00:29:31,800 --> 00:29:36,640
Speaker 7: you know, and then you know, people are asking, well,

588
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 7: why wasn't he in it?

589
00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 6: Right?

590
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 7: And he watched the rough cut of the first episode

591
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 7: and he was over the moon about it and super supportive,

592
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 7: and he was, yeah, he's honored and flattered, you know

593
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 7: how we included him. And he said, look, I'm I'm

594
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 7: already in it. I don't I don't need to, you know,

595
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 7: give it. You know Today's commentary on all that stuff.

596
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 7: It's it's it's better telling the story like that, you know.

597
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 2: More likely to do a sequel to Major League or

598
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,840
Speaker 2: Wall Street major.

599
00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 7: League major League.

600
00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:11,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

601
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 7: In fact, it's interesting not to not to get out

602
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 7: over my skis with this, but there has been a

603
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 7: dialogue about it as as as.

604
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 2: You resound a long time.

605
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 7: That's true, that's true. Yeah, it was.

606
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 2: So you got a script in the making here or

607
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 2: an idea for no.

608
00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 7: No, but there's there's there's a new there's a company involved.

609
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 7: That is that is very interested that I'm already in

610
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,480
Speaker 7: business with with the docs, and that's that that could

611
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 7: deliver something I think the fans have been waiting for

612
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 7: for a long time. And and don't worry, I'm not

613
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 7: going to be a player. I would show up in

614
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 7: the in the capacity of coach or manager or or

615
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 7: you know, a pitching coach or something. But now it's interesting,

616
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 7: this was just discussed yesterday.

617
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: Do you still throw? Do you still take batting practice?

618
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: You do any of that?

619
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 7: Got a kind of a I gotta I got a

620
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 7: bad shoulder I'm dealing with. There's a thing that Tony

621
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 7: Todd and I do on our birthday, his and mine

622
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 7: every year where we.

623
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 4: We throw.

624
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,840
Speaker 7: Without dropping a single toss, we throw the amount of

625
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 7: tosses that equals our age. So it's been this, this thing,

626
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:32,600
Speaker 7: and we hoped one day, you know, count to one hundred.

627
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,720
Speaker 2: You're lucky to have Tony in your life, I am,

628
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:36,400
Speaker 2: I am.

629
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

630
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 2: It probably kept you alive a few times.

631
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, that when he was just always knowing that he

632
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 7: was you know, either right down the hall or right

633
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 7: at the next table, or at the table, or or

634
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 7: just you know along for that part of the journey. No,

635
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 7: it was, uh, it was, it was.

636
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:53,959
Speaker 4: It was.

637
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 7: It was a lovely, uh security blanket. Now I'm going

638
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,520
Speaker 7: to reduce him to that because he was was in

639
00:32:00,560 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 7: those moments so much more than that. But it was,

640
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,080
Speaker 7: it was, it was, it was a comforting energy.

641
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: Was great to talk to you again. Good luck with

642
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: the book, book and stay happy.

643
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 7: That's great advice and I'm going to follow it.

644
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: And once again, don't do crack and drink chocolate milk.

645
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 7: Noted noted and you have my word.

646
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 2: Thank you, Charlie.

647
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 7: Right, I thanks that. I appreciate it very well.

648
00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 2: The book is the book is Sheen? And is Netflix

649
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 2: documentary aka Charlie Sheen. Both are out now. Wow, fourteen

650
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 2: years ago and he had no recollection of it. But

651
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 2: he looked good, look refreshed and hopefully he can get

652
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 2: some jobs start acting again. What a wild ride. Wow.

653
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,160
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659
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Speaker 2: his debut.

660
00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:21,440
Speaker 4: I'm not sure that would have been the route that

661
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 4: I went. I understand why, understand where they're at. I

662
00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: understand it's the NFL, so there's not any easy game,

663
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 4: so to speak. But but yeah, that's a lot of

664
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 4: things going on along with playing against the Brian Flores

665
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,120
Speaker 4: defense that's going to throw a lot of looks at

666
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 4: you that. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be

667
00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:44,160
Speaker 4: an easy one for if for Dylan Gabriel. But Minnesota

668
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 4: obviously didn't play great last week either, so maybe you

669
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 4: look at this as an opportunity to get a win

670
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 4: and get on track.

671
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,280
Speaker 2: What advice would you give Dylan Gabriel.

672
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 4: I think the biggest thing is just realize that you

673
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 4: don't have to do it all on your own. I

674
00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,040
Speaker 4: think when the spotlight is on you and you get

675
00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 4: put into that position, and the first thing to do

676
00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 4: is to say, Okay, I got approve to everybody why

677
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: I'm starting now, and I got to go out and

678
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,160
Speaker 4: make all of these plays. And you know, when I

679
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 4: took over in ninety nine, I looked around and said, okay,

680
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:14,000
Speaker 4: I got a lot of playmakers around me. I don't

681
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 4: have to do this all by myself allowed them to

682
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: help you along the way. It's okay to punt every

683
00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 4: once in a while because you've got a great defense

684
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 4: that can help you out, and so not feeling like

685
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:25,640
Speaker 4: that spotlight is on you and you have to prove

686
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 4: to everybody why you're the starter right now.

687
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 2: How do you teach a young quarterback to get rid

688
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 2: of the ball?

689
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: I think getting rid of the ball is understanding what

690
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:40,240
Speaker 4: you're seeing, you know, a comfort level with the plays

691
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 4: that you're running. To me, it's always about if you

692
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,200
Speaker 4: know where your eyes should be to start the process.

693
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,560
Speaker 4: That's the first step in being able to get the

694
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: ball out, knowing what you're doing and getting through your progressions.

695
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 4: And you know, sometimes with young guys, and again against

696
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 4: the Brian Flores defense, they're going to give you a

697
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 4: lots of things to look at. They're going to get

698
00:34:58,600 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: guys up at the line of scrimmage, are going to

699
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: have guys running out into his own coverage, so they're

700
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 4: going to make that harder. But understanding your playbook so

701
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 4: well that hey, and this kind of look, this is

702
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 4: where my eyes need to start, and that speeds up

703
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:13,399
Speaker 4: the process. So that would be what I was would

704
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 4: always be focusing on with the young quarterback.

705
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 2: What was your thought when the Rams were going to

706
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:21,880
Speaker 2: go on fourth down in overtime and go for the

707
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 2: win as supposed to go for the time.

708
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I don't mind the decision at all.

709
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 4: You're at home, you want to get one against division rival.

710
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 4: Was surprised, I think, like a lot of people, with

711
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:35,319
Speaker 4: the play call, you know, I just you know, talked

712
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,279
Speaker 4: earlier in the week about how the Rams are so good,

713
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:39,880
Speaker 4: especially getting close to the red zone with their naked

714
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,319
Speaker 4: bootleg you know, play action game at your staffords so

715
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: good at it, they're creative with it that that's where

716
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 4: I thought they would go to give more options to

717
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,839
Speaker 4: Matthew Stafford instead of just running it right up the gun.

718
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,359
Speaker 4: So I more disappointed, I think with the play call

719
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 4: than I was the decision to go for it on

720
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 4: fourth down, because I fully understand why you want to

721
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,799
Speaker 4: win that game, especially with San Francisco being as beat

722
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:03,879
Speaker 4: up as they were. You didn't want to come out

723
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 4: of that thing saying, oh man, we you know, we

724
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:10,080
Speaker 4: lost or even we tied that team. Unfortunately it worked

725
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,080
Speaker 4: out that way. But I think they're probably reallying a

726
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: little bit today. Because everybody going in they're like, oh

727
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 4: my gosh, it's going to be a walking the park

728
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 4: for the Rams. And you know, Mac Jones played great

729
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: and the team showed up and had a great win.

730
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,760
Speaker 2: Give me the most must win game of the weekend

731
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: for you.

732
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 4: For me, it's going to be Texan Ravens. Both teams

733
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 4: I think I hopes for both teams, you know, expected

734
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 4: to win their division, both sitting at one in three

735
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 4: right now, and neither one playing very good football. I

736
00:36:37,640 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 4: know Texan has got to win last week, but you

737
00:36:40,600 --> 00:36:42,960
Speaker 4: know that was against you know, a Tennessee team that

738
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:46,000
Speaker 4: hasn't won yet. So c J. Stroud doesn't look the

739
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 4: same to me. That their offense doesn't look good to me.

740
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 4: And then on the other side, I think we know

741
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 4: all the issues and then the possibility of not having

742
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 4: their star quarterback and Lamar Jackson. I think that is

743
00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,319
Speaker 4: a must win for both of these teams with you

744
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:01,919
Speaker 4: know where that division is going right now.

745
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 2: But explain to me what's going on with CJ. Stround.

746
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 4: I wish I could. You know, when he was a rookie,

747
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,320
Speaker 4: I had him in my top five quarterbacks in the league.

748
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 4: The way that he played his rookie year, and it

749
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 4: was his ability to see things and his accuracy and

750
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 4: the technique that was with it. In the last two years,

751
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,799
Speaker 4: I don't know. I really can't tell you what's going on.

752
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 4: I don't feel like he's seeing it very well. I

753
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 4: feel like he's missing things. I feel like when they

754
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 4: bring pressure, he doesn't have answers. And it's weird to

755
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,200
Speaker 4: me because very seldom, obviously do you see that when

756
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 4: a young guy seems to have those answers and do

757
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,840
Speaker 4: those things and then it falls away from them. And

758
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 4: it's really been the last year and a half where

759
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 4: I don't believe he's playing, you know, as well as

760
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,080
Speaker 4: he did, and a lot of people going to the

761
00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 4: offensive line and some of the issues up there, but

762
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 4: I think it starts with CJ. And you know, just

763
00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:55,279
Speaker 4: watching him, he's not making the throws and making the

764
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 4: decisions that he did as a rookie. And I can't

765
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 4: tell you. I can't put a finger on it. Because

766
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 4: he was so good as a rookie. It's hard for

767
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:06,320
Speaker 4: me to fact what's gone wrong or what's going sideways

768
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 4: on this to take him to where he is right now.

769
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 2: Talking to Kurt Warner the Hall of Famer and Super

770
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 2: Bowl MVP, two time NFL MVP. NFL Network will have

771
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 2: the vikings in the Browns. That'll be nine thirty Eastern

772
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 2: from London. We had a conversation. We've had a couple

773
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:26,720
Speaker 2: of conversations this week. One is focused on Russell Wilson.

774
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 2: Can you play yourself out of the Hall of Fame? Now?

775
00:38:29,680 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if you had him in the Hall

776
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: of Fame, but he's playing himself maybe out of consideration

777
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,240
Speaker 2: for the Hall of Fame? Do you believe that given

778
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 2: that he had a ten year run that was pretty impressive,

779
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: These last couple of years have been pretty pretty rough.

780
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, I don't know if I would say

781
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:50,160
Speaker 4: lay your way out of it. You know. I think

782
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: what I would say in these last few years with

783
00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:57,440
Speaker 4: Russell is maybe it gives you a different perspective of

784
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 4: the kind of player that he was. Is that you know,

785
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,560
Speaker 4: when he was in Seattle, obviously they had a great

786
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,920
Speaker 4: defense when they went to the on their run, and

787
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 4: he was asked to be more of a complimentary if

788
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 4: he's more of a playmaking piece than actually you know,

789
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,920
Speaker 4: playing more drop that quarterback, carrying the team with his

790
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:17,560
Speaker 4: right arm and so when he left, I think the idea,

791
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 4: I think it was Russell's idea as well as wherever

792
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 4: he chose, is that he wanted to show people that

793
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 4: he could play the position more conventionally and more like

794
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,680
Speaker 4: I think, you know, guys like Brady and Manning and

795
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 4: those things, and he didn't have to just be a playmaker.

796
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,880
Speaker 4: And then that hasn't worked out. And you know, he

797
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 4: tried in numerous spots now and it hasn't worked out

798
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 4: to show people that. And so I think, if anything,

799
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,320
Speaker 4: it maybe gets people to look back and go, Okay,

800
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,600
Speaker 4: you know, who is the real Russell Wilson here? And again,

801
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 4: I don't know if that plays anybody out of the

802
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:52,480
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame because you mentioned it. The first decade

803
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 4: statistically was really really impressive, but I think it may

804
00:39:57,560 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 4: have people step back and go, Okay, you know who

805
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 4: is you know the guy that we're looking at, and

806
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 4: you know, the Hall of Fame type of thing. Was

807
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 4: he an elite player at that position comparative to other players?

808
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 4: And you know, you know as well as I do

809
00:40:12,360 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 4: that there's a lot of different ways to look at it.

810
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,120
Speaker 4: I mean, you look at my situation is I didn't

811
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,040
Speaker 4: play as many games and certain things. But when I played,

812
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: I played at a high level, so I was able

813
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 4: to get in. Some other guys may not have played

814
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: it quite a highest level, but played longer and have

815
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 4: better stats and those things, and they get into the

816
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame. And so there's so many ways to

817
00:40:31,520 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 4: weigh I think what the Hall of Fame is. But

818
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 4: that's what I would say, not necessarily play his way

819
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: out of it, but have people look at him a

820
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,320
Speaker 4: little bit differently and kind of compare the two quarterbacks

821
00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 4: to decide, Okay, who was Russell Wilson and does he

822
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 4: fit in that category?

823
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 2: But if you don't go to Arizona, are you getting

824
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame?

825
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:54,919
Speaker 4: I mean, I would highly doubt it, you know, even

826
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 4: though you know there was an elite level of play

827
00:40:57,320 --> 00:41:00,480
Speaker 4: and two Super Bowls and two MVPs in Sane Lewis,

828
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 4: I think ultimately it would have been just not enough

829
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: time to be able to have, you know, another three

830
00:41:06,760 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 4: years and go to another Super Bowl with another team.

831
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 4: I think, is what kind of kind of stamped that

832
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,640
Speaker 4: you know? And you know, again it could have easily said, hey,

833
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 4: this guy at his peak, you know, was a Hall

834
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 4: of Fame quarterback, but that peak wasn't long enough. And

835
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 4: so yeah, again, I think we've seen a lot of

836
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,879
Speaker 4: different ways for guys to you know, solidify themselves as

837
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 4: Hall of famers. And you know, that becomes the ultimate question,

838
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 4: you know, at the end of the day. I mean,

839
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 4: you have Eli Manning, that's you know, that's right there

840
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 4: on the cusp. And I think they're weighing heavily super Bowls, right,

841
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 4: super Bowls and you know, winning super Bowls. Well, Russell

842
00:41:41,320 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 4: has been to two Super Bowls. I know he only

843
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: won one of those. But you know, so what exactly

844
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 4: is the determining factor in getting to the Hall of Fame.

845
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 4: I don't know if anybody knows exactly. And and as

846
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 4: you said, and we mentioned that first ten years, you know,

847
00:41:58,480 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 4: I think you know, you asked me, if I didn't

848
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,759
Speaker 4: go to you know, Arizona, would I have been in

849
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: the Hall of Fame? Probably not. If Russell Wilson didn't

850
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,759
Speaker 4: go anywhere else beside Seattle, would he be in the

851
00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:10,439
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame? And the answer is probably yes.

852
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember I spoke to you, maybe it was

853
00:42:14,280 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 2: the season that you went to the Super Bowl in Arizona,

854
00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 2: and we talked about what you know? Am I a

855
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer? And I said no, but if you

856
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:25,080
Speaker 2: take Arizona to the super Bowl, you'd be a Hall

857
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: of Famer. Do you remember we had that conversation I

858
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: after the game and I was there to hand out

859
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:34,840
Speaker 2: the trophy, but I sought you out. I wanted to

860
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:38,279
Speaker 2: find you after the game, and I remember the only

861
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 2: thing I said to you when I walked I walked

862
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: up to you. I think you were with your wife,

863
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:45,399
Speaker 2: and I said, you're going to the Hall of Fame.

864
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:47,359
Speaker 2: That was the only thing I think I said to you,

865
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 2: because obviously you're distraught because you know, you think you're

866
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: winning the super Bowl, and I just remember, you're going

867
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 2: to the super Bowl. And it stayed in my head

868
00:42:57,680 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 2: that whole time after I talked to you, and you

869
00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 2: got to the super Bowl. Could have won the Super

870
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,680
Speaker 2: Bowl and he went to the Hall of Fame. One

871
00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:05,799
Speaker 2: other thing I want to bring up. We just had

872
00:43:05,840 --> 00:43:10,240
Speaker 2: a caller saying, what quarterback have had the biggest impact

873
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,880
Speaker 2: or changed the game the most in NFL history in

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Speaker 2: your opinion, who would you single?

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Speaker 8: It's a that's a good question, and I don't know

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Speaker 8: about one quarterback, you know, because I think about Dan

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Speaker 8: Marino and how you know he played the game so

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Speaker 8: differently at that time.

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Speaker 4: I think they were a past first team. I think

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Speaker 4: about our offense in Saint Louis. I think we, you know,

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Speaker 4: changed the way the game was played and what we

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Speaker 4: see now. I think really started with with our team.

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Speaker 4: And then I heard you talking a little bit about

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Speaker 4: Peyton Manning, And the one thing I would say about

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Speaker 4: Peyton Manning is there's no doubt Peyton Manning was the

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Speaker 4: best quarterback we've ever seen before the snap at playing

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Speaker 4: the game before the snap, changing plays, knowing what a

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Speaker 4: defense was going to do. But I wouldn't say that

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Speaker 4: necessarily transformed the game because I don't know if there's

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Speaker 4: been anybody anywhere close to Peyton doing that. And so

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Speaker 4: when I think about changing the game, it's about, Okay,

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Speaker 4: how did I lead the next generation into playing a

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Speaker 4: similar way?

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 4: And maybe you look at a guy like Michael Vick

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Speaker 4: because of where the NFL's gone now in terms of

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Speaker 4: the athletic quarterback and using guys, you know, in two

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Speaker 4: different ways, and so not sure how I would answer that,

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Speaker 4: but I do think, you know, Peyton was unique and

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Speaker 4: different and the best we've ever seen it at playing

901
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Speaker 4: before the snap, where a lot of guys like myself

902
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Speaker 4: were way better playing after the snap than before. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I also mentioned Joe Namath because he won this singular

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Speaker 2: most important game in NFL history. He brought about a merger.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to argue with anybody else there were better quarterbacks,

906
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Speaker 2: but he guaranteed it. He did it. They're all eyes

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Speaker 2: on that and one of the biggest upsets we've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: And so I would probably say Joe was the most

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Speaker 2: impactful quarterback of all time because of that one moment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, and I think he also was the first

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Speaker 4: quarterback to throw for four thousand yards or something in

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Speaker 4: the league too, So I mean he wasn't doing games. Probably, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I was doing things that that people weren't doing at

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Speaker 4: that time. You know, I didn't grow up seeing a

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Speaker 4: lot of Joe name, and so yeah, I think of

916
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Speaker 4: you know, more of my time. But but yeah, I mean, yeah,

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Speaker 4: with everything that he did and the guaranteed victory and

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Speaker 4: throwing the ball the way he did, I could surely

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Speaker 4: make that argument.

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Speaker 2: God, he threw a pretty good ball, like effortless, effortless,

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Speaker 2: I bet the best passer of best quarterback at throwing

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Speaker 2: the balls?

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Speaker 4: Who at throwing the ball? And what do you what

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Speaker 4: do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: Like which one is? You know, you see certain pitchers

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Speaker 2: and they you know, they make every pit you know.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, if if I was picking a guy, I

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Speaker 4: would probably pick Dan Marino just watching him throw and

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Speaker 4: you know, the release that he had and you know,

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Speaker 4: the arm strength, but also the touch on the football.

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Speaker 4: You know, he was the guy that you know, I

932
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Speaker 4: grew up kind of going, man, if you can throw

933
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Speaker 4: the ball like that, I mean that would be you know. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: tried to emulate him in my front yard because I

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Speaker 4: thought he was special of a thrower of a football

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Speaker 4: that maybe that I've ever seen.

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Speaker 2: What did What did you say to him when you

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Speaker 2: met him?

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, you know I was in all like

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Speaker 4: like a lot of people, but I probably said that

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Speaker 4: exact thing. Is like, Man, I grew up, you know,

942
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Speaker 4: trying to be you and you know, wanting to be

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Speaker 4: what you were on a football field, you know. And

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Speaker 4: I obviously shared the story of at my Hall of

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Speaker 4: Fame speech that when I was stocking shelves at the

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Speaker 4: grocery store, I was in the serial aisle and one

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Speaker 4: of the nights, I was stocking the wheaties box and

948
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Speaker 4: Dan Reno was on the wheaties box, and so he

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Speaker 4: gave me a lot of inspiration when I was chasing

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Speaker 4: my dream and then a stocking shelves, going hey, one day,

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Speaker 4: one day, I'm gonna be like Dan Marino and I'm

952
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Speaker 4: gonna be on a wheaties box, you know. So, you know,

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Speaker 4: it just fun to have those guys that you know,

954
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Speaker 4: you want to emmu late, you want to chase after,

955
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Speaker 4: and then you meet a guy like Dan who's such

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Speaker 4: a great individual too, that lived up to the hype

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Speaker 4: not only with what he did on the field, but

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Speaker 4: also who he was off the field.

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Speaker 2: Have fun this weekend, go to catch up with you again.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Kurt, You too, my man. Kurt Warner Hall

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Speaker 2: of Famer