1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,599 Speaker 1: It's time to get inside the Giants Hut. 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:03,720 Speaker 2: Let's go. Let's go. 3 00:00:03,920 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 3: Giants it out on the Giants Bubbling give me some Job, 4 00:00:07,800 --> 00:00:09,680 Speaker 3: part of the Giants Podcast Network. 5 00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:10,360 Speaker 1: Let's roll. 6 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Johnson Podcast, brought to 7 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 3: you by Citizens, the official bank of the Giants. 8 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: Were in the Hackensack and Marine Health podcast studio. 9 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:19,320 Speaker 3: Keep getting better, John Schmulk with you as we continue 10 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:21,439 Speaker 3: to talk to some of the college coaches of the 11 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:24,079 Speaker 3: Giants drafted players this year. And now we're going to 12 00:00:24,160 --> 00:00:26,840 Speaker 3: turn our attention to the Giants fifth round pick Marcus Bow. 13 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:29,680 Speaker 3: And we welcome in Marcus Johnson, his offensive line coach 14 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 3: at Purdue in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. 15 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,640 Speaker 3: And now we welcome in the offensive line coach for 16 00:00:35,760 --> 00:00:38,480 Speaker 3: Purdue in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. Now, 17 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 3: as you can see from the red Quarter, Zippi's were 18 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,040 Speaker 3: and now an analyst for Ohio State. 19 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,680 Speaker 1: He got it. He is Marcus Johnson. Marcus, good to 20 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 1: talk to you about. 21 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:51,400 Speaker 2: How are you doing well? How about it so doing well? 22 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 3: Very excited to talk to you about about Marcus Bow. 23 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 3: We are inundated with Marcus. This here we got Marcus 24 00:00:56,360 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 3: to coach. Marcus the player. I talked to Marcus Sadderfield, 25 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 3: who was the coach for Thomas Vedoni in Nebraska yesterday. 26 00:01:02,640 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: We've got a bunch of Marcus is runner up in here. 27 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: What you like? So tell me about Marcus Bow. 28 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 3: Give me your thumbnail of him as a player in 29 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 3: your experience coaching him on the old line for a 30 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 3: couple of years. 31 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,280 Speaker 2: He's the fun guy to coach, you know. 32 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:21,160 Speaker 4: He's he's a positive, upbeat young man, you know, a 33 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 4: fun spirited guy. 34 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:24,200 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 35 00:01:24,480 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 4: He's he's he's he's a. 36 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,040 Speaker 2: Joiner and a pleasure to be here around every day. 37 00:01:30,080 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 4: You know, he always comes in ready to work, has 38 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 4: the right mindset and the right mentality, you know, and uh, 39 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 4: he wants to get better. 40 00:01:39,040 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 2: He wants to be the best of this position, you know. 41 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,280 Speaker 4: So you know he's he's a fun guy to coach. 42 00:01:45,319 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 4: He's very coachable, you know, he's he's easy to love man. 43 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 4: And one of the reasons I say he's easy to 44 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:55,120 Speaker 4: coach is because when I first got to Purdue, he 45 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 4: was a from a past pro standpoint, he was a 46 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 4: very dominant inside hang guy, and you know, I had 47 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 4: to explain to him about the importance of using his 48 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:08,640 Speaker 4: outside hand and independent hands strikes. And you know, I 49 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 4: think because of the success that he saw with it 50 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,880 Speaker 4: early on, he had a great belief in it, Man, 51 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 4: and in which he started relying on a lot in 52 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:22,240 Speaker 4: his past pro fundamentals. And he's an awesome dude to 53 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 4: work with. Man, he's a smart kid, sharp football like 54 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: you guy, He's a football guy, even though he has 55 00:02:29,840 --> 00:02:34,440 Speaker 4: a basketball background, you know, extremely athletic. 56 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:35,360 Speaker 2: You know. 57 00:02:35,440 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 4: I think he can he can recover and get out 58 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:41,240 Speaker 4: of some bad situations, you know, and do some things 59 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 4: that you that you can't coach. 60 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 2: It's just God given the ability in DNA, if you 61 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 2: know what I mean. 62 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,519 Speaker 4: So I love working with both Man tremendous young men 63 00:02:50,560 --> 00:02:53,600 Speaker 4: and uh. I think his best days ahead of him, 64 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:55,360 Speaker 4: in my opinion, and. 65 00:02:55,320 --> 00:02:57,239 Speaker 1: We're excited to see him have them here with the Giants. 66 00:02:57,240 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: All right, you touched on some offensive line technique stuff, 67 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 3: which I love, So why don't we get into that first, 68 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:03,920 Speaker 3: Mark Marcus, I think that's really a fun thing to 69 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 3: attack here. When you got there, he had started to 70 00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:09,280 Speaker 3: guard the previous year at right guard, correct, and then 71 00:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 3: you moved him out to right tackle. So talk to 72 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:15,560 Speaker 3: me about the type of technique changes you talked about 73 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 3: the inside and outside and stuff. What are the things 74 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 3: that you have to work with him on to make 75 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:21,560 Speaker 3: that move from guard out the tackle. 76 00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,080 Speaker 4: Well, first off, I thought Bo was a really good 77 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 4: guard in my opinion, as a as a red shirt 78 00:03:27,880 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 4: freshman at that time, you know, and coming to Purdue. 79 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:36,480 Speaker 4: You know, I thought he had a tackle skill set 80 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 4: because of his feet and his athleticism. You know, we 81 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 4: needed that at that position, man. So that was one 82 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 4: of the reasons. One of the reasons that I ended 83 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 4: up moving him outside the tackle was essentially out of necessity, 84 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: you know, And it worked out pretty well for him 85 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:56,119 Speaker 4: in my opinion. But I think he did some things naturally. 86 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 4: I think both can do a lot of things naturally. 87 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:03,200 Speaker 2: Again, you meet speak on him being able to recover 88 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: and get. 89 00:04:03,640 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 4: Out of bass situations, which are things you can't coaches, 90 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 4: just god given ability. 91 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 2: Man. 92 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 4: So I think the football thing kind of comes to 93 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:16,200 Speaker 4: him naturally, especially with him still being a relatively young 94 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,080 Speaker 4: player at the offensive line position. 95 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:18,520 Speaker 2: You know. 96 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And you talk about things coming to him naturally, coach, 97 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 3: you mentioned it. He was the starting center on a 98 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,520 Speaker 3: state championship basketball team in high school, and you talked 99 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:30,680 Speaker 3: about his feet, like you see that with his feet right, 100 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 3: his ability to get out. 101 00:04:31,640 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 1: There and kick. 102 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: He moves his feet really well, which you know, I 103 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 3: think that's one of the reasons why the Giants are 104 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: starting him out of tackle here because they think he 105 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: can just move his feet so well. How much does 106 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 3: that basketball background you think help build the base for 107 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:47,159 Speaker 3: him as an offensive lineman with those quick feet to 108 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 3: be able to handle some of those speed rushers outside. 109 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 4: Well, just like you just said, I think that's part 110 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 4: of that naturalness that comes to him from the basketball 111 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:59,320 Speaker 4: court and bringing it to the football field, because you know, 112 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 4: I explained to guys all the time that's all past 113 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 4: pro is for me from a ground up standpoint. It's 114 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 4: just ladderer movement and sliding your feet and keeping your 115 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 4: hips in front of the defenders hip if you will, 116 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 4: you know, just standing in front of you guys. 117 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:16,280 Speaker 1: So just like playing defensive basketball, right. 118 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 4: That's exactly what it is, without you know, putting the 119 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,720 Speaker 4: hands and all of that stuff into it. That's all 120 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 4: it is, man, is basketball on the football field and. 121 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:28,360 Speaker 2: Just moving and sliding your feet. 122 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 4: And thank God that he had that basketball background, which 123 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 4: is one of the reasons why I think tackle came 124 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:39,160 Speaker 4: pretty naturally to him once I got to Purdue. 125 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 3: And then talk about some of the hand stuff. So 126 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 3: some of that technique part of it that that that 127 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 3: you worked with on, worked with him on once you 128 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 3: got him out to tackle. 129 00:05:48,800 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: Yep. 130 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:54,800 Speaker 4: So I believe, you know, in training guys and a 131 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 4: lot of ways when it comes to feet, hands right, 132 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 4: and to me, every every old linement is different in 133 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,280 Speaker 4: my opinion, and I don't think that you train them 134 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:06,800 Speaker 4: all the same. Here's some things that Bo could do 135 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 4: that I would never ask, you know, our left chapel 136 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:15,160 Speaker 4: to do Purdue at other places, you know what I mean, 137 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 4: because of his ability, his athleticism and his ability. But 138 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 4: you know I trained those guys independent hands. I trained 139 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 4: them two hand strikes. Will work on different hand tea 140 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,080 Speaker 4: techniques using independent hand. 141 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 2: You know, I'm a big logo puncher, you. 142 00:06:34,680 --> 00:06:36,680 Speaker 4: Know what I mean, my outside hand going to the 143 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: outside logo, which you see BO does a lot, and 144 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 4: doing inside hand independent working independently as well, whether we 145 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 4: go outside hand logo and inside hand trap outside logo, 146 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 4: inside hand what I call fort lyft or outside hand 147 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 4: logo and inside hand swite, you know what I mean. 148 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,640 Speaker 4: And I think you kind of see both mixes up 149 00:07:01,640 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 4: his technique with his hands a lot, as well as 150 00:07:04,120 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: his past sets a lot, because I'm a big believe 151 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 4: in mixing it up on your past sets, and I 152 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 4: don't think Bow has been one of the better old 153 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,040 Speaker 4: lineman that I've been fortunate to coach, and mixing up 154 00:07:16,040 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 4: his technique and fundamentals in which I think he displays 155 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,000 Speaker 4: on tape all the time, because to me, I played 156 00:07:22,040 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 4: that game as well, and to me, I used to 157 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: think and say that the hardest D lineman the block 158 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:29,160 Speaker 4: and one on one pass rush of the guys, that 159 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:32,640 Speaker 4: he got a multitude of movements, right, you don't know 160 00:07:32,680 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 4: if he's gonna speed you a power or cross shop 161 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:38,600 Speaker 4: or spinning or whatever that technique. 162 00:07:38,080 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: That D lineman made use. 163 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 4: So to me, why not us training the same fashion 164 00:07:43,520 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 4: as far as old line playing, mixing up our technique 165 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:48,880 Speaker 4: and fundamentals so that that guy doesn't think that I'm 166 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 4: just a one way player if you will, you know, 167 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 4: and I think both did a nice shot of dis 168 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 4: playing that on tapement mixing up his technique and fundamentals, 169 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 4: whether it be his past sets or as a and 170 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 4: technique and fundamentals. 171 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: Hoddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here, 172 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: you gotta go over the middle with at the score great. 173 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: How do we make that happen? I don't know, Bud. 174 00:08:11,200 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 3: Citizens does make sense of your money with Citizens Official 175 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 3: Bank of Eli Manning the Giants. Little podcast is brought 176 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,120 Speaker 3: to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants. From 177 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: game day celebrations to your everyday financial needs, Big Blue 178 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,880 Speaker 3: fans can get the most out of every moment with Citizens. 179 00:08:27,960 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 3: Learn more at Citizens bank dot com slash Giants. No, absolutely, 180 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:33,559 Speaker 3: I think you did a really nice job of that 181 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:37,200 Speaker 3: one hundred percent. Let me go through the year really quickly. 182 00:08:37,200 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 3: That that that that you guys had to purdue. I'm 183 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 3: I'm taking a look at your schedule here and obviously 184 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: you're you're playing in the Big Ten, so you're gonna 185 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 3: have a lot of really really. 186 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: Tough pass rushers on the schedule. 187 00:08:49,400 --> 00:08:52,080 Speaker 3: And you know, one team that that you guys did 188 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 3: play over the course of the year was the team 189 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,160 Speaker 3: player that the Giants selected with the third overall pick, 190 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,600 Speaker 3: and that was Abu A. You guys played them on 191 00:09:01,640 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 3: November sixteenth on to make sure you got the date right. 192 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 3: I know Carter lines up a lot over the left tackle. 193 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 3: I'm sure he spent some time over Bow as well. 194 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,040 Speaker 3: How did you see that match up? And how did 195 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 3: Bow do verse quarter in that matchup? 196 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:13,360 Speaker 1: In that game? 197 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,079 Speaker 4: Yep, Carter's phenomenal player. One of the finest defensive ends 198 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 4: I've seen. 199 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,320 Speaker 1: He's really good, man, he is. 200 00:09:22,240 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 4: Over the last ten years, he's been one of the 201 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 4: top tier defensive end I've seen and my guys gone 202 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 4: and competed against. You know, like you said, he primarily 203 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 4: plays over the left tackle, and even in that game, 204 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 4: he primarily played over our left tackle, in which he 205 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 4: had a hell of a game that game, you know, 206 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 4: and doing enough even with him just god given ability. 207 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,880 Speaker 4: You know, his play goes away from him and he's 208 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,199 Speaker 4: chasing the ball, you know, fifteen to twenty yards. 209 00:09:52,920 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 2: Away from him and making the play on it. You know. 210 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 4: But I think he and Bow only had like three 211 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 4: or four reps to gain, you know what I mean. 212 00:10:01,240 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 4: It wasn't a ton of reps, and I felt like 213 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 4: Bow held his own, but again it wasn't. 214 00:10:06,280 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 2: It just wasn't a ton of opportunities. 215 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 4: I guess for those two to go against each other 216 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:17,880 Speaker 4: if you will. But I mean that guy's a phenomenal 217 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 4: player in his own right, you know, one of the 218 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:23,040 Speaker 4: best that I've seen over the last ten years. 219 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:23,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 220 00:10:23,840 --> 00:10:26,320 Speaker 3: Absolutely, And trust me, the Giants are our throat to 221 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:28,839 Speaker 3: have gotten them when they did. What are some of 222 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 3: the matchups that if fans wanted to go back and 223 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 3: watch one of your games the last couple of years, 224 00:10:34,800 --> 00:10:36,559 Speaker 3: you know, line up against a great rusher that you 225 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:38,320 Speaker 3: think fan should tune in and kind of see the 226 00:10:38,320 --> 00:10:39,280 Speaker 3: best of Mark. 227 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 4: But I think Bo I think Bow junior year man 228 00:10:42,400 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 4: before he got hurt. If you look at his first 229 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 4: six games that he started, I thought he was on 230 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 4: track to be one of the best in the country. 231 00:10:50,360 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 4: If you go back and look at those first six 232 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:58,679 Speaker 4: games from twenty three nice, I thought he had a 233 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 4: really good game against Oregon. I thought was one of 234 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 4: his best games This past year. I thought he played 235 00:11:05,040 --> 00:11:09,200 Speaker 4: a really good game against nor the Dame. I think 236 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 4: I think bo Bow had a nice season. 237 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:11,840 Speaker 2: Uh. 238 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:16,719 Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I think he belongs in 239 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 4: my opinion, you know, I think he belongs in that league. 240 00:11:19,720 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 4: I think he wants to be in that league, and 241 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 4: I think he wants to be the best in what 242 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 4: he does. 243 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 3: Where do you think he's gonna fit in? Best in 244 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:29,959 Speaker 3: the NFL? Will be out of tackle? Do you think 245 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,959 Speaker 3: he can move and ships could go back to guard. 246 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,240 Speaker 3: I've even heard some people talk about him because he's 247 00:11:34,280 --> 00:11:35,840 Speaker 3: so smart and he's got such good feet that he 248 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:36,840 Speaker 3: could even play center. 249 00:11:37,080 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: Where do you think his natural fit would be on 250 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:39,559 Speaker 1: the next level? 251 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 2: To me, it depends on need. 252 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 4: But I don't know what the Giants need, just like 253 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 4: for us when I first got to Purdue. Uh, I 254 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 4: thought he was a really good guard at that time, 255 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,439 Speaker 4: but you know, we needed him to play right that 256 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 4: at that time. So I think I think Bo would 257 00:11:56,720 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 4: adjustin fit in and and whatever was given the time 258 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:04,280 Speaker 4: to develop and get. 259 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 2: Reps at that particular position. 260 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,280 Speaker 4: And for both, it doesn't matter to him wherever you 261 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:13,319 Speaker 4: line him up at. He's gonna do what you ask 262 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 4: him to do. He's a team guy first man. So again, 263 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,920 Speaker 4: to me, I think it goes back to where do 264 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 4: you need him man? And I think whatever position because 265 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,839 Speaker 4: of that naturalness that he has, and he's still got 266 00:12:26,880 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 4: a even though he's got a basketball background athleticism, he's 267 00:12:31,320 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: got a football mentality. You know, he's a guy that's 268 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,240 Speaker 4: freaking chasing the ball thirty forty yards down field when 269 00:12:38,280 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 4: the ball breaks the line of scrimmage, trying to go 270 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 4: go ear hold of safety, you know what I mean again, 271 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 4: And that's one of the reasons to me too, why 272 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 4: he's a fun player to work with in my opinion. 273 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 3: You know, he was a bit We've mentioned it a 274 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:54,560 Speaker 3: couple of times now basketball player in high school. My 275 00:12:54,679 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 3: understanding that he really didn't start lifting like in Arnist 276 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 3: until like twenty nineteen. 277 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 1: So how did he developing the weight room? For you? 278 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: And do you think he still was a lot more 279 00:13:03,960 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 3: room to grow in terms of gaining stress? 280 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: Dude, I do. 281 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 4: I don't know when he decided to commit himself to 282 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 4: the weight room. I've never asked him that question, but 283 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:15,760 Speaker 4: I do think he does have. 284 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: Plenty of room to grow from a weight room standpoint. 285 00:13:18,440 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 4: You know, I don't even know his weight room numbers 286 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:23,839 Speaker 4: off the top of my head, but I bet you 287 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 4: his numbers can definitely continue to improve. You know, I've 288 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:31,120 Speaker 4: never seen him maxed out. I don't even know if 289 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:34,240 Speaker 4: they maxed out from a weight room. Because I think 290 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 4: a lot of strength coaches are starting to get away 291 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 4: from that one rep. 292 00:13:37,800 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 2: Max. 293 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:40,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, but I think Bo has plenty of rooms to 294 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,360 Speaker 4: grow and develop in the weight room, especially again with 295 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 4: them being so young at the football old line position anyway, 296 00:13:49,880 --> 00:13:52,319 Speaker 4: you know, but that he didn't really start playing football 297 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 4: and getting into it until like his junior year in 298 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 4: high school. 299 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:57,840 Speaker 3: You know, if you want to know how to manage 300 00:13:57,880 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 3: two minutes of crunch time, football time, your mass. 301 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,480 Speaker 1: But if you're wondering about a long term financial plan, 302 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: you should talk to Citizens. Hey, I can also talk 303 00:14:05,160 --> 00:14:05,559 Speaker 1: long care. 304 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 2: I'd like to learn about amiliar tae. Yes, I knew I. 305 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 1: Could help make sense of your money with Citizens. 306 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:14,920 Speaker 3: So speaking of him still still figuring things out and 307 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:16,880 Speaker 3: being a little you know, of a player that can 308 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,440 Speaker 3: still develop, what are the next areas that you were 309 00:14:19,480 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 3: still working with him last years as he left Purdue 310 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 3: that you really think that he can still make an 311 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 3: improvement on to continue to kind of take that next 312 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: step in the league. 313 00:14:30,400 --> 00:14:33,400 Speaker 2: Well, I thought he's a pretty good run blocker, you know. 314 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 4: I think he's the guy that has some power, some 315 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 4: pop to him, and he can get movement at the 316 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 4: point of attack. One of the things that that I 317 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 4: wanted the team to work with him all. 318 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 2: Was versus tight techniques. 319 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 4: We were a big outside zonal stretch team, just working 320 00:14:50,920 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 4: against out tight techniques on his body and reaching those 321 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 4: guys just because he was so against our defense. You know, 322 00:14:58,920 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 4: we played a five down front and they using those 323 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:04,560 Speaker 4: why non techniques. He was so used to running out 324 00:15:04,600 --> 00:15:07,680 Speaker 4: and chasing them that in practice we didn't really get 325 00:15:07,680 --> 00:15:09,119 Speaker 4: a lot of tight five. 326 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 2: Technique looks on them. You know. 327 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 4: It was just one of the things I wanted to 328 00:15:11,840 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 4: continue to work with in mong and then from a 329 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 4: pass pro standpoint, one of the things I used to 330 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,320 Speaker 4: say to him is I think at times he guessed 331 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 4: on bull rushes and getting his feet back in the 332 00:15:24,360 --> 00:15:27,360 Speaker 4: anchoring position versus reacting to the. 333 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 2: Bull rush, you know what I mean, So more. 334 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:35,040 Speaker 4: Reacts versus guessing and assuming that the guy is going 335 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 4: to power rushing, you know what I mean? 336 00:15:37,560 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I wonder, Coach, and it's funny you bring 337 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: that up. 338 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,000 Speaker 3: I wonder if that's because as he's still developing his 339 00:15:43,040 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 3: play strength, he felt maybe he was susceptible to the 340 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 3: bull rush. So he felt like maybe he was trying 341 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 3: to anticipate that a little bit, which which might explain 342 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,760 Speaker 3: I think maybe trying to get into that a little 343 00:15:52,760 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 3: bit too early, right before the player shows it. 344 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 4: Possibly possibly, you know, but to me, football is a 345 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 4: game of reaction, and me, you said, according to your 346 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 4: technique based off his alignment and didn't play ball from there, 347 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: you know what I mean. 348 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: It's definitely a game of reactions. You know, offense and. 349 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: Defense absolutely the one thing. And just a couple of 350 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 3: questions about his personality now talking to him, even right 351 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: after he got drafted, we did an interview with him. 352 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 3: That dude was dead ass calm, Like he was so 353 00:16:25,280 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: calm and like just together. 354 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: He didn't even seem like super excited. 355 00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 3: Is that just kind of the the vibe and personality 356 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,320 Speaker 3: he brings where he's kind of always in control and focused. 357 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: Oh, he's locked in, you know when it's time to 358 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 4: lock in, you know what I mean. I think when 359 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 4: when it's time to you know, laugh and giggle a 360 00:16:48,760 --> 00:16:51,680 Speaker 4: little bit. You know, he's ready for that. But when 361 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 4: it's time to lock in, you knows it's time to locke, 362 00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 4: you know. And uh, I have an action post draft, 363 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 4: but I'm sure there was a slight bit of disappointment 364 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 4: as well, you know, sliding a little bit, if you will, 365 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: probably not going where he anticipated going. You know, at 366 00:17:10,840 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 4: least I know I anticipated him going somewhere around that 367 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 4: sacking round, you know. But like I texted him before 368 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:21,879 Speaker 4: the draft, regardless of where you drafted, whether that the 369 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,520 Speaker 4: top pick or free agency, it's not about where you start. 370 00:17:25,600 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 4: It's more important about how you finished. So once you 371 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,560 Speaker 4: get that opportunity, man taking and run with it. So 372 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 4: he know what's up ahead of him and knowing Boe, 373 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:36,960 Speaker 4: I know he's ready to attack this thing. So I'm 374 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 4: sure he went in and freaking attack mode if you will. 375 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 4: Once he once he got picked, he know its time 376 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:44,720 Speaker 4: to work. 377 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:45,159 Speaker 2: You know. 378 00:17:46,040 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 4: It was all fun and games for a minute, but 379 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 4: now now I got to dedicate myself to making this 380 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 4: roster for the next ten to fifteen years. 381 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: You know, absolutely. 382 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,800 Speaker 3: Is he like a vocal, raw raw leader type or 383 00:17:59,800 --> 00:18:02,640 Speaker 3: see more of a lead by example type. 384 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:05,920 Speaker 4: I would say more lead by example, but he will 385 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 4: One of the things he used to do a really 386 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,719 Speaker 4: good job of his coaching, like coaching the young guys, 387 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Or if you see things 388 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 4: on't going right, hey man, let's let's get this going. 389 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 2: You know what I mean. 390 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,520 Speaker 4: I don't think he seeks the attention, but you know 391 00:18:21,560 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 4: when it's time for it, and I think people listen 392 00:18:23,840 --> 00:18:27,440 Speaker 4: to him because he's not a big, huge vocal guy. 393 00:18:27,560 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 4: You know, he's more of that lead by example guy. 394 00:18:30,840 --> 00:18:34,440 Speaker 4: But when it's time to say something, encourage or get 395 00:18:34,480 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 4: on somebody's ass, he can do that as well. 396 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 2: You know. 397 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: No, I've coach absolutely I hear what you're saying. All right. Finally, 398 00:18:41,520 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: I like to ask all the coaches any. 399 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 3: Anecdotes, funny stories, or anything that that you had personal 400 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 3: experience with the Marcus that you think can really give 401 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: giant fans a feel for just like the type of 402 00:18:53,840 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 3: guy that the giants are getting in the locker room. 403 00:18:58,920 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 2: I mean, get getting ready, a hard work a guy. 404 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:07,719 Speaker 4: The nasty guy that's gonna give you sacking at what 405 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:10,800 Speaker 4: I call sacking and third effort. They you know, once 406 00:19:10,840 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 4: he takes care of business at the first level, he's 407 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:17,720 Speaker 4: gonna try to make make a sacond and third effort 408 00:19:17,760 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 4: block you know what I mean, whatever it takes to 409 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:20,600 Speaker 4: get to play strong. 410 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,120 Speaker 2: So tremendous motor to. 411 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 4: Him, man, and I'm fired up and excited to watch 412 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,240 Speaker 4: him continue to grow and progress. 413 00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:30,880 Speaker 1: Well, Marcus, good luck. 414 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 3: We can't wait to get Marcus in the house here 415 00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 3: to see how he works. I can't believe they let 416 00:19:36,359 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 3: an offensive lineman with with those feet last until the 417 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:39,639 Speaker 3: fifth round. 418 00:19:39,640 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 1: I'm thrilled that they did. 419 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,399 Speaker 3: Was the Giants manage to draft him there, and I 420 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 3: can't wait to see him play and good book at 421 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 3: Ohio State this year. 422 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,560 Speaker 1: We appreciate the time, my friend. 423 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you appreciation. If you see Bow, please 424 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:52,560 Speaker 2: tell him that I said. 425 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:57,120 Speaker 3: Hello, Absolutely, coach, no problem, that's Marcus Johnson, Perdue offensive 426 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,160 Speaker 3: line coach in twenty twenty three and twenty twenty four. 427 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:01,200 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us on the Giants Little Podcast, 428 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 3: brought to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants. 429 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 1: Appreciate you being with us. 430 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:06,920 Speaker 3: We'll continue to try to talk to more coaches as 431 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 3: we roll through here and. 432 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,399 Speaker 1: Get some insight on the Giants entire draft class. 433 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 3: Thank you for joining us from the Hackensack Marine Health 434 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 3: Podcast Studio. 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