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Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast never pays their sandwich beds.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another edition of the Around the NFL Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Dan Hansis. I am in a room

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Speaker 1: that's filled with heroes, Mark Sessler, Chris Westling and Greg Rosenthal.

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Speaker 1: What is up? Boys? Hey? Dan? Who can feel the

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Speaker 1: energy in this room? Greg and West about to board

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Speaker 1: and early morning plane to Tybee, leaving us, Uh, you

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Speaker 1: know behind, which is not their fault. We cannot go,

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Speaker 1: you know, definitely not their fault. Uh yeah, West, Greg,

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Speaker 1: the big Fish, Evan Silva, the Paramore, all will be

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Speaker 1: in Tybee this time tomorrow. How exciting is that? Look, guys,

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Speaker 1: if you can get away to last minute. The owner

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Speaker 1: of Huck a Poos, the Great Eric Thomas, has offered

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Speaker 1: his house as a frashpad for any overflow crowd. That's

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Speaker 1: a nice gesture, but not surprising from ET considering huck

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Speaker 1: a Poos is kind of the cheers of Tybee, right,

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Speaker 1: It's where everybody goes at home in a way, and

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Speaker 1: he's also one of the most generous men I've ever known.

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Speaker 1: My image of Tybee Island is you can really walk

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Speaker 1: into almost anyhow, just crashed there at any time I

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Speaker 1: should tell you about the time I did that. Please, Oh,

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Speaker 1: we could save it for I've been in the pod.

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Speaker 1: What's the crime rate in Tybee? Uh? Substantial, substantial. There

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Speaker 1: is a lot of drug activity. I feel like it's

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Speaker 1: a lot of people running from previous crimes. There's a

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Speaker 1: lot of tourism, so you'll have a lot of weekend Uh.

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Speaker 1: No one. No one talks about their former life once

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Speaker 1: they get to Tybee. That's all in the past. Like

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Speaker 1: I would say, it's the opposite. Everyone has an interesting backstory.

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Speaker 1: How you ended up in this road place? Uh? So

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Speaker 1: very exciting. And uh, please get Gregg in some troubles.

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Speaker 1: I don't please, No, I mean no, no, no, yes,

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Speaker 1: Sin will be a hole who wears the pants in

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Speaker 1: the relationship. That will take it to a new level

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Speaker 1: because Greg's gonna be in the doghouse. And I thought

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Speaker 1: relationship with the US Another conversation, I don't want your

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Speaker 1: get you in trouble. Well, you mean like getting him

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Speaker 1: thrown in jail? Well, I mean Mark wants me to

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Speaker 1: get him in trouble. There I distinctively want you to

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Speaker 1: been in roughly fourteen years. Well, that might happen even

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Speaker 1: without getting him in trouble. Are you referring to getting

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Speaker 1: him drunk? I think he's been. That's the only thing

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Speaker 1: I want. Been there plenty of times. Get him drunk.

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Speaker 1: I can't play the Chu chu music anymore? Yeah, I know,

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Speaker 1: come on, ride the train. Are are you excited? Greg?

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Speaker 1: I am. Yeah. It's a regular you know, sisterhood of

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Speaker 1: the Traveling Pants. Uh yeah, So uh, Mark and I

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Speaker 1: will hold down the fort here and maybe, just maybe

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Speaker 1: we can get you guys on the line on Friday,

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Speaker 1: uh for our next podcast. But this podcast, Yes, there's

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Speaker 1: excitement in the air over the big Tybee trip, but

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Speaker 1: also excitement over oh it's back. It is time as

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Speaker 1: the two thousand eighteen edition of the Dalton Scale. Oh yeah.

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Speaker 1: In fact, that is the entirety of today's episode. We

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Speaker 1: are not messing around where what is the Dalton Scale.

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Speaker 1: We'll get into that in a minute. But essentially what

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Speaker 1: this episode is is a breakdown of, uh the quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: you don't really have a franchise starting quarterback. That's what

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Speaker 1: the Dalton scales all about. Uh. And before we get

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Speaker 1: right back when it passes, I can get back on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Back to the topic at hand. The Dalton scale established

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Speaker 1: the Dalton scale. It was established what about five years

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Speaker 1: And when you first established the Dalton scale. And I

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Speaker 1: comes from the Around the NFL podcast. It was started

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Speaker 1: by Chris Westling that is the source of the Dalton

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Speaker 1: scale and West when it first popped into that magnificent

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Speaker 1: nog into yours. What was the Dalton scale to you? Well,

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Speaker 1: it started because the Bengals were quite evidently in purgatory

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Speaker 1: Sometimes you feel like he is the answer. Sometimes you don't.

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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. So Andy Dalton is the primary idian of

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Speaker 1: was exactly where he was. Franchise quarterbacks above and other

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Speaker 1: Chris Westling for coming up with this theory? I don't

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Speaker 1: he came close. I think Philip Rivers at eleven. I

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Speaker 1: Blake Bortles coming off an a f C Championship appearance.

428
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Speaker 1: Blake Bortles comes in at number twenty nine and thirty

429
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: Josh McCown, which makes a lot of sense. We like

430
00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:43,840
Speaker 1: Josh McCown, but he is no one's version of a

431
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,560
Speaker 1: franchise quarterback. To look to the future with uh thoughts

432
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 1: on that group, Chris Wessel, So many of these guys

433
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Speaker 1: could move above Dalton with a good year. Um Eli,

434
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,560
Speaker 1: who I ranked very low, It's quite possible he could

435
00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,320
Speaker 1: be seen at this time next year as a guy

436
00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,439
Speaker 1: who's rejuvenated with all that offensive talent, and he belongs

437
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: above Andy Dalton. Uh. Sam Bradford. I think he's a

438
00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:10,639
Speaker 1: better quarterback right now than Andy Dalton, but durability counts,

439
00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,919
Speaker 1: so I can't rank him as a franchise quarterbay last year,

440
00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: Joe Flacco could have a good year with all that

441
00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:20,080
Speaker 1: new talent they acquired, but it's a dead giveaway when

442
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 1: they draft a guy in the first round that you're

443
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,280
Speaker 1: not necessarily a franchise quarterback. They told us what they

444
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:28,200
Speaker 1: thought in terms of where he stands in the Dalton scale.

445
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,680
Speaker 1: They decided he's below it. You don't take a quarterback.

446
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,240
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the list. Flaccile Lamar Jackson gets

447
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:37,399
Speaker 1: drafted Ryan Tannehill the Dolphins, maybe they do what is

448
00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 1: Tannill seven one, eight and one over his last nine starts.

449
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that's why they didn't. That was two

450
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: years ago. I get that. But there's confidence inside the building.

451
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,640
Speaker 1: They easily could have gone after a quarter were they

452
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 1: reported to be interested in all those quarterbacks. If there's confidence, well,

453
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: the bottom line they didn't do it. They didn't make

454
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:56,120
Speaker 1: a move. But yeah, so then Radford, Uh, he gets

455
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: let go by Minnesota, he signs with the Cardinals, and

456
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 1: then the Cardinals drafted her back Tyrod Taylor. He gets

457
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: traded by the Bills, who draft a quarterback, and then

458
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,880
Speaker 1: the Browns draft a quarterback Case Keenum. He gets let

459
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Speaker 1: go by the Vikings and gets signed by the Broncos. Uh.

460
00:24:13,200 --> 00:24:16,159
Speaker 1: And then Eli is interesting and that they did not

461
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 1: make a move like Townehill. They stayed still same thing

462
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,720
Speaker 1: with Bordles and the Jaguars. And then account of course, uh,

463
00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: you have now um Sam Donald in the building. Some

464
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,040
Speaker 1: people do believe that the Giants made a move when

465
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Speaker 1: they drafted Kyle Loletta. Charlie cashually believes he's guaranteed to

466
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Speaker 1: be the heir apparent to eat. He was drafted around

467
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: later than Davis Webb was a year ago. I know

468
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: it's a different regime, but that you don't see fourth

469
00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: round picks developed like that too often. Maybe Charlie will

470
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,800
Speaker 1: be right. Tyrod Taylor was the guy I think I

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Speaker 1: had immediately after Dalton, and to me, if I had

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Speaker 1: to pick another player who could be the Dalton scale

473
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Speaker 1: right now, I think it would be Tyrod, who I think,

474
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Speaker 1: in a in a strong way, is kind of a

475
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Speaker 1: rep placement level starter where he's gonna he's not gonna

476
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,720
Speaker 1: screw things up. He's gonna be better than about ten

477
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:12,240
Speaker 1: starters out there. Uh he can. He has very defined strength,

478
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: some defined weaknesses, and he's just kind of right there,

479
00:25:15,800 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 1: solid in the middle, like Tyrod would, especially now that

480
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: he's done it in three different offenses in three different

481
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: seasons in Buffalo and kind of been the same player

482
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Speaker 1: regardless of who is running the offense. To me, he

483
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Speaker 1: if I needed an air apparent for the Dalton scale

484
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:33,160
Speaker 1: would be Tyrod. And all that is true, but also

485
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 1: it's very important that as soon as he plays, they

486
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Speaker 1: want to get rid of him. Well, I think he's

487
00:25:39,200 --> 00:25:41,639
Speaker 1: never had the same right he never in the NFL

488
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 1: sees him as a franchise quarterback or else they would

489
00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: have traded for him or signed him. Right Like Buffalo

490
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: and Cleveland are two teams that with the with the

491
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,440
Speaker 1: way things have been, they if they if someone said

492
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Speaker 1: we can give you what looks like stability for two

493
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 1: seasons under center, those organizations would say yes. And that's

494
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Speaker 1: what the Bills did say with Tyrod's That's what the

495
00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: Bills of the Browns essentially are saying. And it might

496
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: be two weeks, we don't know, but it's like we've

497
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: got a guy ahead of the rookie, but you're constantly

498
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:11,399
Speaker 1: planning to replace him. And if, if, if Andy Dalton

499
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Speaker 1: weren't on a very unusual Bengals organization that's happy to

500
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: stay stay where they are, he would have been replaced

501
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: on the team he was drafted with by someone else.

502
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 1: I believe that entirely to West's point that I think

503
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:25,040
Speaker 1: Dalton would have more trade value than Tyrode. I also

504
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,840
Speaker 1: think Tyrode. Tyrode's never actually hit the open market free agency.

505
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:30,680
Speaker 1: I think he would have gotten a similar or better

506
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,679
Speaker 1: contract to what Sam Bradford got similar. Uh, but that

507
00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,359
Speaker 1: again puts them below the line that Dalton. I agree

508
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: with you, West, I think Dalton has more trade value.

509
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,920
Speaker 1: But but what what I'm saying is if Dalton had

510
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Speaker 1: been drafted by the Niners or the Rams, or the

511
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: Cardinals or another team, do you think they would have

512
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: stuck with what Andy Dalton is from two thousand what

513
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 1: eleven until now? I just think the reason this list

514
00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:56,359
Speaker 1: is what it is is this. Most teams have actively

515
00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,800
Speaker 1: drafted and looked forward replacement starters, and we have We

516
00:26:59,840 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: have five new quarterbacks coming in now that can make

517
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 1: this list look completely different a year or two from

518
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:09,879
Speaker 1: now where Andy Dalton could wind up. Your difference to

519
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: me is that the Bengals see Andy Dalton as a guy.

520
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 1: If they surround him with the right talent, he's the guy.

521
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,440
Speaker 1: And I don't think that. I think the Chiefs once

522
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 1: thought that about Alex Smith, but they got to a

523
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: point where they didn't think that anymore. And you know,

524
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: just like Alex Smith was a named v M v

525
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,040
Speaker 1: P Can last year, we're only a few years removed

526
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:31,000
Speaker 1: from that two thousand fifteen season which Andy Dalton played magically,

527
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 1: and I think the Bengals I don't blame them for thinking, hey,

528
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: if we can surround him, he can he can get

529
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: back to that um that again, focusing on on those

530
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: names that we have below uh Andy Dalton, it is

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Speaker 1: interesting that, as I mentioned, the Dolphins, the Giants, and

532
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,320
Speaker 1: the Jaguars are the three teams that are sitting tight

533
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 1: with their quarterback that we see below Dalton uh And

534
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:57,920
Speaker 1: they got a lot of criticism for it. So they're

535
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,840
Speaker 1: kind of banking on the idea that these these are

536
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,400
Speaker 1: guys that can and will be better than they were

537
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 1: last season, or in Dalton's case, get back or in

538
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 1: Tanne's case, get back to where he was before his injury.

539
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: Although Tannehill he's been right next to Dalton every year

540
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: that we do this, we thought about calling it the

541
00:28:14,280 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Tanna scale sounded now back in and he hasn't really

542
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: moved too far up or down. I think at some point,

543
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: I bet, I bet I had him at least personally

544
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:27,760
Speaker 1: above Andy Dalton scale, but now he's below. It sure

545
00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 1: seemed like the Dolphins liked Baker Mayfield a lot, and

546
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 1: I think if in a different world Mayfield had slipped

547
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 1: down out of that top world of draft picks. Maybe

548
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:38,560
Speaker 1: the Dolphins would have done something different on draft Day.

549
00:28:38,600 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm picking knits here because you know, Joe Flacco is

550
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:45,480
Speaker 1: below Andy Dalton. Ultimately, I was a little surprised. Uh.

551
00:28:45,600 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: I guess others must have had him a little higher

552
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: up than I do in these rankings, just looking at

553
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 1: kind of what you know, basically, just what he's put

554
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: on tape for two straight years, and that he's an

555
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,680
Speaker 1: older He's not that old, but he's older with serious

556
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,920
Speaker 1: injury issues. That he was even that close to Andy

557
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: Dalton was not someone I thought was kind of in

558
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: the ballpark right now. I had him, so I was

559
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: the one who hit him high. But but I look

560
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: at the last chunk of guys, it's like almost interchangeable

561
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,400
Speaker 1: to some degree. I had Placo twenty three as well.

562
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 1: Well done, dude. What about the top ten? Going back

563
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: to those guys, is there anyone in that group that

564
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:32,480
Speaker 1: you could see potentially entering the Dalton scale conversation? I

565
00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 1: could open it up to the top twelve on our list. Um,

566
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:39,360
Speaker 1: I guess who jumps out to me just because of

567
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: the lack of experiences. Jimmy Garoppolo Um, we'll see he

568
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: might end up being a guy that's in the top

569
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: five conversation, but we haven't seen a ton from him.

570
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,080
Speaker 1: Anybody too. He was kind of the dividing line between

571
00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: the established stars and the younger group. It was basically

572
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: Jimmy g and Kirk Cousins was kind of in between.

573
00:29:59,320 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: Because above that, yeah, I'd be shocked if you know

574
00:30:02,040 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 1: Matthew Stafford or a healthy Andrew Luck or or even

575
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,239
Speaker 1: Cam Newton or Matt Ryan, certainly if we were at

576
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,520
Speaker 1: all talking about them in their futures. I think would

577
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 1: have been easy to pick on Matthew Stafford in years past,

578
00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 1: but he's completely improved over the last Stafford trick with

579
00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 1: Mariota and Winston, for instance, is I think about Stafford's

580
00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: career path Cam to a lesser degree that Yeah, even

581
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 1: if Winston and Mariota are like right in the middle

582
00:30:31,080 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: of the NFL, but they show a lot of good things.

583
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 1: Those are guys you're giving a big second contract too,

584
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: because the hope is as they get to their late

585
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: twenties and in early thirties, as we've seen, sometimes it's

586
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,240
Speaker 1: about your mind catching up and that guys like Matt

587
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,560
Speaker 1: Ryan are playing their very best at age thirty three.

588
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: And I think that's partly because of experience, because he's

589
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: been in the league, and Mariota has had what three

590
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: four coaches at this point. I mean, it's like, as

591
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,240
Speaker 1: an organization, you have to look at what you put

592
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: your quarterback through, and some of these guys have been

593
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 1: through the ringer. I mean, Mariotta, how how would he

594
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,520
Speaker 1: be in a system that have been consistent from day one. Yeah,

595
00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: you can't overstate the importance of the right play color.

596
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:08,080
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's any coincidence that's the Stafford's

597
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,719
Speaker 1: career stabilized when Jim Bob Cooter took over and started

598
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 1: protecting him and getting rid of the ball fast uh

599
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: in an offense that suited Stafford, I think. But when

600
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: I look at the top ten, to me, the candidates,

601
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 1: the only candidates are the old guys. If they fall

602
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,920
Speaker 1: off a cliff Ben Robin Barger, Philip Rivers, Uh, Drew Brees,

603
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck if he doesn't play again, who do you who?

604
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: Did you have someone in mind? Dan Well? I I

605
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 1: don't want this to be the truth, But Andrew Luck,

606
00:31:34,920 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: what if he comes back and he has you know,

607
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: two thousand five, Chad Pennington arm What if he just

608
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: lost his arm strength and those those passes that he

609
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 1: you know, he was always a turnover prone quarterback. What

610
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 1: if he ends up being a guy that can't force

611
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: the ball into windows anymore and turns into a turnover machine.

612
00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: I hope it doesn't happen. It's a depressing thought, but

613
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: you can't. Until we see him on the field, we

614
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: don't know it could happen to him. He's a total mystery.

615
00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: What makes me feel good about him is I think

616
00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: he had just did and was a very different player

617
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:06,160
Speaker 1: in a very underrated player in seen when he was

618
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 1: playing through that shoulder injury, and I think he showed

619
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: us a little bit more of a mature didn't take

620
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:15,960
Speaker 1: as many chances, kind of developing, getting smarter. Andrew Locke

621
00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 1: and hopefully that's the guy that was I mean, Dandy,

622
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 1: quell your fears. At least you know they're not the

623
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,920
Speaker 1: culture not rushing him back on the field. I wouldn't

624
00:32:22,920 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 1: say that they are even a little bit. Uh. Here's

625
00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: the other the other part of this conversation. So Baker Mayfield,

626
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 1: Sam Donald, Josh Allen, Josh Rosen, Patrick Mahomes, all guys

627
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: that aren't involved with this list, but can easily um

628
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 1: be involved neither next year or in two years? Is it?

629
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 1: First of all, two part question, does it feel like

630
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,560
Speaker 1: there are more good quarterbacks right now? And the possibility

631
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: there's at the position it's getting a little rosier the

632
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,120
Speaker 1: picture than it was in recent years. And two Uh,

633
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: if these guys hit in Tannehills at twenty two this year,

634
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 1: and I think in past years he is more in

635
00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: the middle of the pack. Sorry Dalton. At what point, uh,

636
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: does does Andy Dalton get moved out of the conversation

637
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 1: as being that primary Indian? Well, I think Andy Dalton

638
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: stays because but then that that just means you have

639
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: guys who are really good quarterbacks whatever happened before now

640
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: And I think I think the one thing if teams

641
00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 1: have caught up to anything, it's the fact that you

642
00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: can go out and sign you know, the Josh mccowns

643
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: of the world and try to tell your fans all

644
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: off season, oh no, we really like Josh McCown because

645
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: he's gonna be a solidifying presence in the locker room, X,

646
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: Y and Z. That's nice, But teams have figured out

647
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 1: all that happens is you wind up going five and eleven.

648
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 1: People get fired if you don't put all your resources

649
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: into finding the quarterback. And now the draft sometimes doesn't

650
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: offer that many. When this one did, you saw a

651
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: team like the Jets give up everything they had to

652
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: to change the organization and now listen to what they're saying,

653
00:33:52,280 --> 00:33:55,960
Speaker 1: and so you cannot pass up the opportunity anymore. And

654
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,840
Speaker 1: the Dalton's of the world. I think he's gonna fall

655
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: down this list as we see an unprecedented amount potentially

656
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 1: of quality starting quarterbacks because there have been other years

657
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: where there have been twelve quarterbacks on any given week

658
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: that are I sores. If you get lucky, it's two

659
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 1: or three tops. That's how it first. And we'll never

660
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: be in a qube nirvana because of injuries and all that.

661
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: But um, if Dalton is on this, I We're doing

662
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,839
Speaker 1: this next year in Daltons. We are in an unprecedented

663
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: golden age of quarterback play and I hope it works

664
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 1: out that way. But I imagine some of these guys

665
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: will age out at the top of this list, and

666
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: some of the rookies will fail, and then everyone else.

667
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: He probably end up in the same range, but it

668
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: will still prove his list or his theory to be

669
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: completely true because it just plays out like that, right.

670
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 1: The problem was that we suffered through many seasons where

671
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:49,000
Speaker 1: Dalton was up around one, and it's because there was

672
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: an absolute dearth of quarterbacks. One thing about this whole

673
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:55,680
Speaker 1: point is that there are ten to twelve young guys

674
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 1: here who franchises see as franchise quarterbacks who might not be,

675
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: So that's kind of padding the stats here a little bit.

676
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: But I think that also what we've seen is that

677
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 1: I've been collecting all these quotes from coaches and gms

678
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 1: over the years about how important quarterbacks are, and Bill

679
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,120
Speaker 1: O'Brien is the latest one who said it's impossible to

680
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,240
Speaker 1: overpay for a franchise quarterback. I've been collecting this because

681
00:35:17,360 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 1: I don't think teams an analysts always thought that way,

682
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 1: and now they're starting to. You don't have Jimmy Garoppolo

683
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: sitting behind a established quarterback anymore. All these teams who

684
00:35:27,280 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: need quarterbacks are going out and getting those guys. I

685
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,399
Speaker 1: do think it's it's fair to say at this very

686
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,800
Speaker 1: moment there's more franchises that feel good about their future

687
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: at quarterback than any time, you know, in recently, it's

688
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: it's probably a bubble, though history tells us it's a bubble,

689
00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 1: and some some of that this younger group, let's just

690
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 1: make the group official. It's basically Jimmy G. Watson, car Prescott,

691
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,799
Speaker 1: Jamis Goff, Mariota. Let's make that the group for now.

692
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,719
Speaker 1: That all of them, their teams are not gonna all

693
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 1: of those guys, their teams are not going to feel

694
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 1: as good about all of those guys two years from

695
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 1: now as they do right now. It's just that's just

696
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:12,680
Speaker 1: how it works. Well again, Nick stend that Trabinsky mahomes

697
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,400
Speaker 1: all the first round rookies, and the bubble is for

698
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: real though, because we're not that far away from losing Brady,

699
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: losing Breeze, losing Big Ben, loosing Philip Rivers. Aaron Rodgers

700
00:36:23,480 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: is not young anymore, could still play for quite a

701
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: bit longer. But there's a bunch of older dudes who

702
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,120
Speaker 1: have been on this list for a hundred years. I mean,

703
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: I wrote, I wrote some terrible QB Index article like

704
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: four years ago. I think that was like now it's

705
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: time for the changing of the guard at quarterback, like

706
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: so long to the Brady and Breeze there. I mean,

707
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning was in there, so at least you know

708
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: that that part was right. It's like, you know, Brady

709
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: and Breeze is not gonna be here any longer. It's

710
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: time for Russell Wilson Andrew Luck in RG three or whatever.

711
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,839
Speaker 1: You know, It's like that was four years. Don't feel

712
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: bad because like fifteen years ago ago, Bill Simmons wrote

713
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: a calm saying that Bill Belichick might be too old

714
00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:03,960
Speaker 1: to be what happens. The Breeze and Brady specifically Peyton

715
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:08,320
Speaker 1: to a lesser degree, have totally helped to change the timeline.

716
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: So we are maybe and Roger more years. Normally we

717
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,920
Speaker 1: would think of Rogers is basically at the very end

718
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: now if it wasn't for Breeze and Brady kind of

719
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 1: changing our mind of what can be possible. Dan Belichick

720
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: wasn't too old until Super Bowl fifty two. Now he's

721
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:28,200
Speaker 1: now it's over. Uh yeah, we might be in Marcus,

722
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: someone that lived through the dot com bubble of the

723
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: late nineties, you can attest to that we were all

724
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 1: alive during that time. It's not I was actually employed

725
00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: with it. Dot Com was entirely inapers. You know, what

726
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: is this why two K daddy? Um funny? But we

727
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: are probably like potentially in a special golden agent. It's

728
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 1: only gonna last for what one to three years maybe

729
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,759
Speaker 1: where potentially these young guys, even if we only hit

730
00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: on two or three of these young guys, is or

731
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: even two god forbid one hopefully the guy in the jets,

732
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: um uh. If those guys hit and then Rogers, Brady,

733
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,839
Speaker 1: Big Bend Breeze, those guys kind of hang around, we

734
00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 1: could have a situation where they're like real franchise, I

735
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: will promise you something. Lots of things will go wrong injuries, yeah,

736
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,479
Speaker 1: I mean there it was like if you think about

737
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:24,280
Speaker 1: last year is a good example. There was a window

738
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: there where went Brady Breeze, Russell, Wilson, and Ben were

739
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 1: all playing at a really high level. And those five

740
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: guys all kind of represent other than Brady Breeze, like

741
00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: different parts of their career, you know, like that it

742
00:38:39,560 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: was all the different generations basically of quarterbacks, and you

743
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,279
Speaker 1: had guys just playing at a at a really high level.

744
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:48,680
Speaker 1: But we need those like sixty guys so when people

745
00:38:48,680 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 1: get hurt, we're still compare them to each other. So

746
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:58,480
Speaker 1: no matter what, it's just absurd that the earth cannot farm.

747
00:38:58,520 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: The thirty two guy is We've said this a billion times,

748
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: and it's like, I don't care about whatever limits limitations

749
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,360
Speaker 1: that are on college systems and growing athletes. The idea

750
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: that like you have a hundred and eighty nine how

751
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: many college teams play on Saturday. It's an absurd amount.

752
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: It's a disorganized, giant amount, But well, how you not

753
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,919
Speaker 1: come out with thirty two starting quarterbacks over the course

754
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: of five years. We'll always move the goalpost though, because

755
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: just if you just look at the numbers, it's like,

756
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: if you just look at Derek Carr and Dak Prescott's numbers,

757
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: those numbers stand up with the great quarterbacks of the nineties,

758
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: Like in those two quarterbacks had got down years from

759
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: from our eyes, like we were like watching them thinking

760
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,000
Speaker 1: and they didn't play them, but their numbers were good,

761
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: and we're just comparing it to the rest of the

762
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 1: numbers are inflated, Like why would we even judge, Like

763
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: what if every backup quarterback was Andy Dalton right around there,

764
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: So even if you got your backup, you're not going

765
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 1: to see grotesque football. John Beck, like why can't we

766
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,520
Speaker 1: get there because we've already said, we've already said Shanahan's

767
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: Golden Boy. Yeah, that Andy Dalton is no one's version

768
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: of a Hall of Famer or a franchise star. Uh,

769
00:40:03,640 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 1: why can't we get more of those guys just to

770
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: be backups? Well, then offense would be too good. Yea.

771
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:12,120
Speaker 1: The offensive coordinators get paid as much as offensive coordinators.

772
00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 1: Like I'll take a I'll take a Seahawks Patriots super

773
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,200
Speaker 1: Bowl where there's like a little bit of defense and

774
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: a lot of offense too. You want you want some balance? Yeah,

775
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: I agree, Well there's a little too much. We'll just

776
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: keep you know, Benching, Malcolm Butler and whoever the next

777
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: version of that is, and you'll have both teams scoring endlessly.

778
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 1: Some of these guys, like a Trevor Simeon looks fine

779
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: when you put them behind a real offensive line, but

780
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 1: but you can't put backup quarterbacks behind trash offensive lines.

781
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,360
Speaker 1: Let's just make all the teams pretty good parody, but

782
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: not like parody where everybody's kind of crappy. Parody, where

783
00:40:45,080 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: everybody's pretty good. That feels that feels like a pleasantville

784
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:51,960
Speaker 1: or something. That's what I'm looking for I feel like that.

785
00:40:52,239 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 1: I feel like that's essentially week seven through week twelve

786
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: of every NFL. Yeah, you would not be satisfied with that.

787
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: You say that when you me, what about when we

788
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 1: say the end o'clock at night and you're watching like

789
00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,040
Speaker 1: a Sunday night football game between two clubs that are

790
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: three and eight, you know what you would be? You

791
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,240
Speaker 1: would be like you would be like the two thousand sixteen,

792
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 1: two thousand seventeen Lions. I don't think you would want

793
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,839
Speaker 1: that or any Miami Dolphins team. Everyone's eight and eight

794
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: and everyone plays really well, like the Matt Moore led Dolphins,

795
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: but a better Matt more. That's that you are, right, Dan,

796
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:27,600
Speaker 1: If you're not a true visionary, I don't know what

797
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:29,839
Speaker 1: to call you. I think every football fan would agree

798
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,280
Speaker 1: that every team going eight and nate would be unusual.

799
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,479
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I know it's kind of a theory.

800
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:36,200
Speaker 1: It's a little bit out there. Maybe I'm lost in

801
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 1: the woods a little bit, but if everybody was good

802
00:41:38,880 --> 00:41:41,440
Speaker 1: and everyone went eight in night, nobody would be unhappy.

803
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,200
Speaker 1: I think this is your next column next week. I want,

804
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 1: I do need an idea. Running low on ideas this

805
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: time of year. There's no light without darkness, Dan, that's true.

806
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: This would get attention, your your your wish of all

807
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: eight in eight NFL. I mean, I don't know that

808
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 1: sounds what about Cleveland would be happy about that? But yeah,

809
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,280
Speaker 1: the teams that are bound to go too and fourteen

810
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 1: like the idea of eight and eight as a nice

811
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 1: island to sit on. But then what about the teams

812
00:42:08,080 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 1: that inspire our love of football? They would all be

813
00:42:10,640 --> 00:42:14,680
Speaker 1: reduced to milk toast nothingness. Games are great, though, really competitive.

814
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 1: They give your favorite game from last year. Every game

815
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,840
Speaker 1: is like that. This is this is the most you

816
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:22,480
Speaker 1: know out of the box idea since my let's play

817
00:42:22,600 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 1: two regular season games per day all season long idea,

818
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: which is still out there, two per day. You can

819
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: figure it out. I don't know if the players union

820
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,440
Speaker 1: will sign up for the jump on that park avenue

821
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,320
Speaker 1: and run with it. Greg Is floated it many times

822
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: before today. Dan's favorite division winner of all time is

823
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:42,399
Speaker 1: the seven eight and one Carolina Panthers of a couple

824
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 1: of years ago. Let's of the squad Aaron Rodgers starts

825
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:49,319
Speaker 1: playing like two thousand, seven teen Flacco. That's terrible. See

826
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: that's not you're not seeing my vision. Well, um, all right,

827
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:58,800
Speaker 1: So there you go the two thousand eighteen Dalton Scale,

828
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:02,960
Speaker 1: with Andy Dalton frmly entrenched as the primer Indian meridian

829
00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: of the NFL. Right where he should be. Ben Ben's happy.

830
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 1: Ben's sitting in the top five as always. So life

831
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:15,240
Speaker 1: is good for the Bruiser, the big Bruiser from Pittsburgh.

832
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,200
Speaker 1: We'll be back on Friday. We we being a mark

833
00:43:18,280 --> 00:43:23,440
Speaker 1: and I uh will be anchoring things while Greg hopefully

834
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: has a few drinks over in huck a Poo's or

835
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: maybe in a girl. I don't think they let you

836
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:29,919
Speaker 1: in if you're not going to have it at least

837
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 1: a couple of drinks. Am I wrong? They let children in?

838
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 1: You can you can hang out? Yeah? I think, I think.

839
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,800
Speaker 1: I think what I just said. Still stand those children

840
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 1: are drinking? Yeah, those children are probably bigger than me.

841
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,399
Speaker 1: Uh you are? I know you're not a big man, Gregg,

842
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 1: But are you insinuating possibly that the people of Tybee

843
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: or giants? A short joke? Okay, alright, so have fun, boys,

844
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: We'll be in touch. Dan Handon signing off for a

845
00:43:56,800 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 1: quiet storm. The Mailman, The Old Boston Lindsay fault. I'm

846
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:23,839
Speaker 1: behind the glass. It's TYPEE. Time baby till Friday m hm.