WEBVTT - The A&G Replay Thursday Hour Four 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:13.600 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio of the 0:00:13.680 --> 0:00:18.160 George Washington Broadcast Center. Jack Armstrong, Joe, Getty. 0:00:18.160 --> 0:00:25.720 Arm Strong and Jettie and he Armstrong and Getty Strong. 0:00:25.840 --> 0:00:35.760 And so I got a couple of stories. One of 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:38.640 them I told before, and I got to be vague 0:00:38.680 --> 0:00:42.239 about them because they're They're real life stories people have 0:00:42.360 --> 0:00:43.640 told me, and I don't want them to get in 0:00:43.680 --> 0:00:49.280 trouble for you know, passing along more or less confidential information. 0:00:49.320 --> 0:00:51.200 But I told the story a while back about somebody 0:00:51.200 --> 0:00:55.880 who was talking to a group of working class assault 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.760 of the Earth gentlemen, the last kind of dudes that 0:00:59.800 --> 0:01:03.320 you'd ever think that this would be a thing for. 0:01:03.440 --> 0:01:09.720 I'm not talking about like some Berkeley androgynous poetry majors. 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:13.720 I'm talking about like work in class, work with their 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:18.680 hands guys, blue collar guys, talking about how much they 0:01:19.240 --> 0:01:23.560 enjoyed the companionship of the female chatbots when they came 0:01:23.600 --> 0:01:25.679 home from you know, a long day in the field 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.080 at night, and how you know they listen to them 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.160 and understand them and they look forward to it all 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:33.480 day long, and that sort of thing. And I thought, wow, 0:01:34.600 --> 0:01:37.480 I mean, if that crowd can fall under the sway 0:01:37.520 --> 0:01:42.840 of this in its current form, mankind is doomed. No, 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.840 I've never tried it, but I almost don't want to 0:01:47.160 --> 0:01:51.280 because I have some concern but with like a lot 0:01:51.280 --> 0:01:56.080 of other things that I've dismissed and joked about, and 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.800 find it more appealing than I'd like it to be. 0:02:00.440 --> 0:02:03.760 You know, I would hope that your oogie factor would 0:02:03.760 --> 0:02:07.000 overcome that temptation, but your illustration of the sort of 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.200 fellows who r like it is troubling. 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:16.720 Although I'm luckily I'm not. I don't feel trapped in 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.639 a lonely world like a lot of people do. And 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:23.920 if you feel like it's you know, you're lonely and 0:02:23.960 --> 0:02:26.200 it's really difficult out there to meet people and everything 0:02:26.240 --> 0:02:32.480 like that, then this answer comes along. It must feel 0:02:32.520 --> 0:02:35.480 good to you. So a slightly different version of this, 0:02:35.800 --> 0:02:38.440 and also a real life story a mom was telling 0:02:38.480 --> 0:02:41.880 me the other day, and it's a troubling story from 0:02:41.880 --> 0:02:45.160 the beginning, as the daughter involved as twelve, but let's 0:02:45.160 --> 0:02:47.840 go with thirteen because it's they're close enough to thirteen 0:02:48.320 --> 0:02:52.760 but still are actually twelve had ended up in a 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.639 situation by being in a friend's house or whatever. This 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.040 seventeen year old boy was hitting on this young girl 0:02:59.080 --> 0:03:01.320 in a way that they wouldn't if they weren't a creep, 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:04.840 but they were, and apparently they are a very handsome, 0:03:04.960 --> 0:03:07.840 smooth talking dude, so really got the attention of this 0:03:08.240 --> 0:03:09.080 quite young girl. 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:10.079 Wow. 0:03:11.160 --> 0:03:18.960 Anyway, mom gets contacted by the school saying, hey, we 0:03:19.000 --> 0:03:23.000 are taking a look at your kid's search history and 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:28.160 computer use because maybe you know this, maybe you don't. 0:03:28.280 --> 0:03:32.160 I mean, I've had kids in the public school. They 0:03:32.240 --> 0:03:34.519 allow you to use the Chrome book or you buy 0:03:34.520 --> 0:03:36.080 your own Chromebook, but you have to be on the 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:38.960 school system and they have the right to check and 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.360 see what stuff you're doing on that computer, which I'm 0:03:42.400 --> 0:03:52.200 fine with, but they have a variety of protection programs 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.000 that you know, if you're eighth grade boys looking at 0:03:55.040 --> 0:03:57.600 porn on the Chromebook, the school will contact you and say, hey, 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.360 your kid's using a Chromebook for porn, and then you know, 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:02.320 you talk to them or step in or do whatever, 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:04.920 and then if you continue doing it, there's penalties down 0:04:04.960 --> 0:04:05.280 the road. 0:04:05.320 --> 0:04:09.400 But he's in many schools. If you say I'm I 0:04:09.560 --> 0:04:12.160 want to be transgender, then they won't tell your parents. 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:16.560 Excellent point. Wow, that is really good. Caught your thirteen 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:20.520 year old looking at naked women. Oh no, what a shock. 0:04:21.120 --> 0:04:24.040 Your thirteen year old wants to become a woman. Keep 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:27.599 it on the down low, not a mom and dad's business. Wow, 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.680 good point. But so anyway, this mom got contacted by 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.480 the school. Hey, you, your twelve year old daughter's computer 0:04:35.760 --> 0:04:41.440 was showing them on this site talking to an advice 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:47.120 chat bot, sex chat bot. I guess it's particularly in 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:50.480 the area of sex advice. That twelve year old and mom. 0:04:50.520 --> 0:04:54.840 I don't remember from reading the back and forth or 0:04:54.960 --> 0:04:58.719 asking the kid now, but either way found out the 0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.839 kid was regularly going on this sex chat bot to 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:04.440 get advice on how to please a seventeen year old boy, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:13.920 and really like got addicted and it'd be too much, 0:05:13.960 --> 0:05:16.440 but like really kind of obsessed with, you know, as 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:18.080 soon as you get home from school, checking in with 0:05:18.120 --> 0:05:20.280 the chat bot and see what the latest advice is 0:05:20.600 --> 0:05:22.800 on how to please a seventeen year old boy. And 0:05:22.880 --> 0:05:25.520 it just became a like hard to break cycle. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:27.640 Wow. 0:05:28.839 --> 0:05:37.080 Wow, Now if there had been, I can't imagine it 0:05:37.120 --> 0:05:39.480 when I was like thirteen, fourteen years old. You know, 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:42.360 when you're a young man starting to understand things, your 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.320 body is capable of doing or certain urges that can 0:05:45.360 --> 0:05:49.960 be enjoyed in a certain way. And there had been 0:05:50.040 --> 0:05:52.680 some sort of chatbot I could talk to that would 0:05:52.680 --> 0:05:55.800 tell me sexy stories or do whatever. Oh my god, 0:05:57.720 --> 0:05:59.240 I would have never been I don't know how you 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:03.760 got me out of my room, but you know, so 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.560 you can have the sex talk with your kids. They're 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.279 having the sex talk with some chatbot. 0:06:10.080 --> 0:06:14.080 What's really interesting is that, so far, as far as 0:06:14.080 --> 0:06:18.040 I can observe, the premature sexualization of children, which the 0:06:18.120 --> 0:06:24.400 left is so enthusiastic about, has mostly resulted in people 0:06:24.640 --> 0:06:30.120 not pairing off, not actually having sex, not having relationships. 0:06:29.440 --> 0:06:33.960 An interesting coexistence of those two things. 0:06:34.320 --> 0:06:38.239 Although it makes intuitive sense that there would be some, 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:45.440 maybe most, who having their normal development blocked in this way, 0:06:46.160 --> 0:06:49.080 if you can picture that as a metaphor, A lot 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:51.640 of people go to the left toward this is all 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:54.120 sick and weird and I can't handle it, never mind, 0:06:54.520 --> 0:06:57.520 and some people will go to the right being hyper sexualized, 0:06:57.760 --> 0:07:03.440 addicted to pornography. Whatever. The point is the step by 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:06.400 step natural progression of the way you become aware of 0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:11.160 the world in adulthood, everything from sex to taxes and 0:07:11.240 --> 0:07:15.960 responsibility and paying bills and real deep emotional relationships with 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.360 another adult. That's an inch by inch process for the 0:07:19.520 --> 0:07:23.559 entire history of mankind, except now now, and I can't 0:07:23.760 --> 0:07:25.120 resist another shot at the left. 0:07:25.160 --> 0:07:26.080 Forgive me. Now. 0:07:26.120 --> 0:07:28.920 You go to your woke school where you're immediately sexualized 0:07:28.960 --> 0:07:32.160 and you're surrounded by poor or whatever, and that step 0:07:32.160 --> 0:07:34.720 by step is like vaulting a mile at a time 0:07:35.320 --> 0:07:37.520 in a way that their pre young mind, skin and 0:07:37.560 --> 0:07:40.440 hearts can't handle. It's incredibly troubling to me. 0:07:41.160 --> 0:07:45.480 I know, I can't imagine learning all the things that 0:07:45.560 --> 0:07:48.360 I learned, like you said, little by little, inch by 0:07:48.440 --> 0:07:51.960 inch over a period of years and just got dumped 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.520 on me, you know, like a bucket on my head, 0:07:54.680 --> 0:07:58.120 a lot of it, really bad ideas and bad advice 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.160 and all kinds of things. Yeah, I mean, so you're 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.560 gonna have the sex talk with your teenage daughter to 0:08:04.600 --> 0:08:08.240 make sure she's said, well, she's fine, she's got you know, 0:08:08.120 --> 0:08:10.840 you're not the only role model for them. They've got 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:13.680 another role model. It's the AI bot that they get 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:15.920 to talk to. And apparently it's a thing like they 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.520 this person became aware of it from friends because that's 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:21.720 what the friends are doing. Too, and god knows what 0:08:21.960 --> 0:08:23.880 sort of you know, the whole garbage in, garbage out. 0:08:23.920 --> 0:08:28.040 Why is why are AI systems woke? Well because the 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:30.600 people programming them are and blah blah blah. 0:08:30.680 --> 0:08:33.240 You got that issue as well. You know, I keep 0:08:33.280 --> 0:08:34.839 every time we talk about this sort of thing, I 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:39.000 have the same urge toward you know, some sort of 0:08:40.320 --> 0:08:47.160 fundamentalist subcultural civilization or community or or you know, build 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.920 your own compound or something. And you know, people I'd say, yeah, 0:08:49.920 --> 0:08:55.920 we're fundamentalists, and they say, like religious fundamentalists. No, Islamic fundamentalists. No, no, no, no, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:58.280 we're just fun to We just concentrate on the fundamentals 0:08:58.280 --> 0:09:00.920 of life in worship whatever. And no I'm not a 0:09:00.960 --> 0:09:03.000 cult leader, and no I'm not sexing up the young women, 0:09:03.040 --> 0:09:06.439 which tends to be an inevitable thing in these little 0:09:06.440 --> 0:09:10.200 off hue communities. But yeah, we just there's a lot 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.640 of the modern world that sucks. Oh do you like 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:15.960 not do medicines and stuff? Oh no, no, no, we 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.120 do medicines and vaccinations, you know, and all this. Yeah, 0:09:20.120 --> 0:09:24.920 we you know, we're not lunatics. We've just we've learned 0:09:24.960 --> 0:09:28.840 to separate the wheat from the chaff of the modern 0:09:28.920 --> 0:09:31.920 world because and this is this is so obvious and 0:09:32.000 --> 0:09:35.120 so fundamental it almost seems stupid to say. But we all, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:37.120 as human beings, tend to be swept up. And we 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:40.080 talked about this a couple of days ago in fascinating fashion. 0:09:42.120 --> 0:09:42.839 We all tend to be. 0:09:42.760 --> 0:09:46.080 Swept up by the culture and assume everything that is 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.080 offered to us is something we ought to take in. 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:50.120 And that's not true. There is some wheat, but there's 0:09:50.120 --> 0:09:53.960 some not only chaff, but poison, like thumb tacks in 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:55.960 the wheat of the modern world. 0:09:56.160 --> 0:09:58.560 This is a great idea. Man, if I had billions 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:02.400 fight elons billions, I would start towns like this, or 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:05.080 communities or I don't know how. You don't have it 0:10:05.080 --> 0:10:08.920 them unfold, but you'd be like the Amish, except for No, 0:10:09.000 --> 0:10:12.000 we're not gonna write buggies down the road to work. 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:15.319 It's ridiculous. But we're not gonna have the damned Internet. 0:10:15.840 --> 0:10:18.600 We're not gonna have smartphones. We're not gonna have all 0:10:18.600 --> 0:10:21.520 this stupid stuff. We're gonna go back to like way 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.800 back to two thousand and six. Okay, maybe I don't 0:10:24.840 --> 0:10:26.240 know on the internet. I have to think about that. 0:10:26.440 --> 0:10:29.880 But definitely not smartphones, Definitely not Ai, Definitely none of 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.280 that stuff. And I think a lot of people gravitate 0:10:33.400 --> 0:10:33.960 toward that. 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:37.320 We're gonna have backyard barbecues and the kids are gonna 0:10:37.320 --> 0:10:39.000 all go off to the side, and they're gonna talk 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.640 and giggle and laugh, and we'll wonder what they'll say 0:10:41.640 --> 0:10:43.520 and if they're saying, and then they'll invent if in 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:46.840 a game with a ball and a stick, and you know, yeah, 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:51.000 And is there any way to program morality into any 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:53.400 of this chatbot stuff? I mean, you couldn't force it, 0:10:53.480 --> 0:10:55.160 but I mean, is there any way to have a 0:10:55.240 --> 0:10:57.240 chatbot says, Wait a second, how old are you? 0:10:57.400 --> 0:11:01.200 I'm twelve. Well you shouldn't be having said and certainly 0:11:01.200 --> 0:11:04.560 not being in a relationship with a seventeen year old. 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.040 There's either something wrong with them or they're just wanting 0:11:08.040 --> 0:11:10.839 to use you for sex. But this is a bad idea. 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.840 Is there any way a chatbot whatever say that? 0:11:14.040 --> 0:11:17.680 Well, the issue is since groups, since we don't really 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:21.600 have shared a shared sense of morality anymore, because we've 0:11:21.760 --> 0:11:26.920 become a much more diverse country, the it's impossible to 0:11:27.240 --> 0:11:30.920 quote unquote infuse morality into it because nobody can agree 0:11:30.960 --> 0:11:36.280 on what morality is or should be. Therefore, all things 0:11:36.360 --> 0:11:41.480 digital are utterly a moral They are without morals. Does 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:45.320 that trouble anybody sending your child into a completely a 0:11:45.600 --> 0:11:53.079 moral environment? In this particular story, so chromebook got taken 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:59.640 away mom late at night. At one point realizes computers missing. 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:04.800 Oh goes in the daughter's bedroom. Couldn't stay away from 0:12:04.840 --> 0:12:07.720 the sex advice chatbot to please a seventeen year old 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:10.960 now has to sleep with the computer, all computer devices 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:13.680 in the bedroom to make sure they I mean, oh 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.480 my god, this is not something our parents had to 0:12:17.520 --> 0:12:22.880 deal with. No, I realized that I had to deal 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:27.079 with and my kids are now mid twenties to early thirties. 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:29.840 Yeah, I realized the hubris that comes with saying this 0:12:29.960 --> 0:12:31.800 is a harder time to be a parent. This is 0:12:31.840 --> 0:12:34.199 a harder time to be a parent that it was 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:36.679 for previous generations. It's horrible. 0:12:37.320 --> 0:12:40.800 Yes, as somebody raised the just one more generation earlier, 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.160 You're right, you're one hundred percent. God, it's so crazy. 0:12:43.200 --> 0:12:45.000 Anyway, if you know anything about this or had any 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:48.079 experiences our text line four one five two nine to 0:12:48.120 --> 0:12:50.160 five KFTC. 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:58.960 Jack Armstrong and Joey, The Armstrong and Getty Show, The 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:05.600 Armstrong and take Out. 0:13:05.920 --> 0:13:10.240 Now I haven't heard this. Gavin Newsom and Bill Maher 0:13:10.520 --> 0:13:12.599 discussing some California policies. 0:13:13.120 --> 0:13:15.520 We'll discuss I see today the Trump administration. 0:13:15.760 --> 0:13:19.040 They talked about the fact that California had a rule 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:24.679 that schools cannot be required to notify parents if their 0:13:24.760 --> 0:13:29.720 kids in school have changed their gender, their pronouns. That's 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:31.760 the kind of thing, even though it doesn't affect a 0:13:31.760 --> 0:13:34.400 lot of people, that makes a lot of people go, well, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.760 you know what, that's the party without common sense. Now, 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.959 if that's your state, how are you are you? 0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.920 I just disagree with that. I mean, the law was 0:13:44.080 --> 0:13:45.040 you would be fired. 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.280 A teacher would be fired if a teacher did not 0:13:47.440 --> 0:13:50.320 report or snitch on a kid talking about their gender identity. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:51.360 I just think that was wrong. 0:13:51.400 --> 0:13:53.439 I think teachers should teach. I don't think they should be. 0:13:53.360 --> 0:13:56.200 Required to turn in kids. And by the way, turning 0:13:56.480 --> 0:13:57.680 that we're talking about their parents. 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:00.719 How can I snitch? The idea of a niche. 0:14:00.440 --> 0:14:02.080 And a parent to me doesn't combine. 0:14:02.160 --> 0:14:04.080 I just I don't. But what is what is the 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:05.160 job of a teacher. 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:08.600 It's to teach if Johnny's talking about some identity issue 0:14:08.640 --> 0:14:10.440 or some issue about liking someone of. 0:14:10.480 --> 0:14:12.360 The same sex, is that the teacher's job. 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:14.920 Oh well, the one thing that's clear from that he 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:21.280 is not confidently coming out and saying it's ridiculous that 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:25.280 teachers would not be allowed to tell parents about it, 0:14:25.280 --> 0:14:27.160 And he didn't say that. He had the opportunity right 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:28.760 off the bat to say that, and he didn't. So 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.320 there's no chance he's gonna be president the United States. 0:14:31.600 --> 0:14:33.920 You cannot be president in the United States unless you're 0:14:33.960 --> 0:14:36.080 willing to take a position on this. It's been proven 0:14:36.120 --> 0:14:39.080 over and over the candidates who try to like fudge 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.760 these things and be into thinking they're gonna have it 0:14:41.800 --> 0:14:45.360 both ways. Never works. Never works. Didn't work for Kamala, 0:14:45.440 --> 0:14:47.440 ain't gonna work for Gavin. I can't believe he doesn't 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.240 have the balls to come out and say, even in California, 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:53.240 what just has gotta be an eighty twenty issue, maybe 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:54.200 to ninety ten. 0:14:54.520 --> 0:14:56.200 I can't believe he didn't have the balls to say 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:59.960 that out loud and to claim that Johnny, who now 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:02.800 wants to be called Jenny, that that would be snitching 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.640 on the kid and akin to maybe the kid hints 0:15:05.680 --> 0:15:08.680 that maybe he likes boys. That's just that is so 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:12.760 with false. I mean, it's so funny. And also the 0:15:12.880 --> 0:15:15.240 job of a teacher is to teach, to teach Hi 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:19.240 about the genderbread person in radical gender theory, Gavin, you 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:22.680 require them to teach that stuff. 0:15:22.880 --> 0:15:24.800 Now, with all the crap in California that they have 0:15:24.880 --> 0:15:27.080 him teach that's not reading, writing and arithmetic, that ain't 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:31.080 gonna fly. And he's trying to conflate what DeSantis is 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.040 doing in Florida, where they have the law that you'll 0:15:34.080 --> 0:15:36.280 be fired if you don't tell the parents, and he's 0:15:36.280 --> 0:15:39.040 trying to act like that's what he's fighting against. No, no, no, no, no, 0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:41.880 you went completely the other direction where the teacher is 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:46.880 not allowed to tell the parent. That's nuts. Yeah, and 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:49.800 every most people think it's nuts. As Bill Maher points out, 0:15:50.000 --> 0:15:53.360 most people think that's nuts. I thought Gavin was smarter 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:55.440 than that. Here's the deal. 0:15:55.800 --> 0:16:00.200 What's really wrecking him and people like him, thank God, 0:16:00.520 --> 0:16:04.440 is more and more people are understanding the relationship between 0:16:04.640 --> 0:16:09.640 the neo Marxists, the radical you know, gender theory crowd, 0:16:09.680 --> 0:16:12.240 or the queer theory crowd, all these lunatics, the neo 0:16:12.240 --> 0:16:15.440 Marxists and their connection to frans stance, the teachers Union, 0:16:15.720 --> 0:16:19.040 which is down with all this stuff. Gavin doesn't dare 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:22.920 defy the teachers Union, which is down with all this stuff. 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:25.520 So he went as far as he's gonna go with 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.640 his Yeah, there's a injustice there. We need to strike 0:16:28.680 --> 0:16:30.280 a balance with the girls. 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:32.320 And so it's not the vice versa. So it's not 0:16:32.360 --> 0:16:34.000 the voters that he has in the back of his 0:16:34.040 --> 0:16:37.000 mind when he's answering those questions. It's the teachers union. 0:16:37.560 --> 0:16:40.280 We have the teachers unions and the radical activist class, 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:42.560 of which he I think is to the extent that 0:16:42.600 --> 0:16:45.720 he has any beliefs whatsoever, they seem to be quite progressed. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:47.400 I think he believes he wants to be president. 0:16:47.800 --> 0:16:50.479 Yeah, I'd like to hear more of that exchange. 0:16:50.640 --> 0:16:52.440 Yeah, no kidding, because. 0:16:52.280 --> 0:16:57.800 Mar cannot be I got to be able to say this. 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:06.440 He cannot be bull asked. I'll just say that, why 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:07.479 do you so oily? 0:17:07.600 --> 0:17:09.240 Why do you take so much joy and cursing? 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:14.320 I don't know, No, it's just it's it's a wonderful thing. 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:16.080 It's a wonderful thing. 0:17:16.560 --> 0:17:19.000 Well, you know, I consider bull as to be a 0:17:19.080 --> 0:17:23.680 perfect work universally understood and its meaning. It is brief, 0:17:24.119 --> 0:17:26.960 it has a ring tw it, it has a rhythm 0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.280 to it. It's perfect work. 0:17:28.359 --> 0:17:32.040 Yeah, And unfortunately the substitutes do not carry the same 0:17:32.080 --> 0:17:41.040 weight arm Strong, the Armstrong and Getty shot. 0:17:54.760 --> 0:17:59.879 Seven track. 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.160 The President decides to do something with an executive order 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:09.240 or whatever, often that they promised on the campaign trail, 0:18:09.520 --> 0:18:13.520 their voters get all excited, Yay, they did it day 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.800 one like they promised. And then then I get an 0:18:16.840 --> 0:18:19.440 alert on my phone. Some judge somewhere I've never heard 0:18:19.440 --> 0:18:21.359 of it said no, you can't do that. And then 0:18:21.400 --> 0:18:25.000 it stops, and everybody's like groans, like, oh, they can 0:18:25.080 --> 0:18:28.000 do that, and it keeps happening over and over again. 0:18:29.119 --> 0:18:31.520 And do we want that system to continue that way 0:18:31.600 --> 0:18:33.440 or not? As part of what the Supreme Court was 0:18:33.520 --> 0:18:35.520 arguing about yesterday, and as one of the justices said, 0:18:35.560 --> 0:18:38.119 there are six hundred some federal judges and while I 0:18:38.200 --> 0:18:42.159 do not question their motives, sometimes they are wrong. So 0:18:42.240 --> 0:18:43.520 do we want them to be able to hold up 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:44.200 the whole country? 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:49.439 Let us discuss the very interesting and multifaceted oral arguments 0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:52.880 yesterday before the Supreme Court with Tim Sandefer, vice president 0:18:52.920 --> 0:18:57.760 for Legal Affairs at the Goldwater Institute, among other auspicious titles, 0:18:58.040 --> 0:19:00.840 author of eight books, including most recently Freedom's Fories, How 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:04.880 Isabel Patterson, Rosewilder and Ein Rand Found Liberty and Age 0:19:04.880 --> 0:19:07.560 of Darkness. I've recommended it many times. It's terrific, Tim, 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:08.280 How are you, sir? 0:19:09.160 --> 0:19:09.520 Just great? 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:10.239 Thanks for having me back. 0:19:10.280 --> 0:19:13.760 Guys published poet got to throw that in there, true, Yes, 0:19:14.080 --> 0:19:15.600 a polymath, as they say. 0:19:16.240 --> 0:19:20.760 Anyway, Tim, So, ostensibly everyone's talking about that we're going 0:19:20.800 --> 0:19:23.440 to discuss birthright citizenship in front of the Supreme Court, 0:19:23.680 --> 0:19:27.320 and that did come up. But would you agree that 0:19:27.359 --> 0:19:32.119 the more significant discussion was about nationwide injunctions by individual 0:19:32.160 --> 0:19:32.879 federal judges. 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:33.840 Oh? 0:19:33.880 --> 0:19:36.280 Yes, absolutely. That was the focus of the argument, and 0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.840 it was a very interesting argument. But I don't think 0:19:39.880 --> 0:19:43.000 that it's a hard question. I think the answer is obviously, 0:19:43.080 --> 0:19:46.560 nationwide injunctions are perfectly fine. They're the ordinary way of 0:19:46.600 --> 0:19:49.240 doing business in the courts, and people who complain about 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:51.600 them either don't understand the system or are trying to 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:52.920 get away with something illegal. 0:19:53.280 --> 0:19:53.480 Yeah. 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:55.840 I don't always like that it happened, but I can't 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:59.960 see what the alternative would be as somebody pointed out. 0:20:00.520 --> 0:20:02.760 So you're gonna let I guess it was you that 0:20:02.800 --> 0:20:05.439 pointed it out yesterday in Twitter. The idea that so 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.240 every time a president does something, it's got to work 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:10.520 its way all the way through the courts up to 0:20:10.600 --> 0:20:12.760 the Supreme Court, and then a decision by the Supreme 0:20:12.800 --> 0:20:16.320 Court before the Supreme Court might say sometimes nine to nothing, 0:20:16.640 --> 0:20:19.399 you can't do that. 0:20:19.880 --> 0:20:21.760 And during that whole period of time, the government is 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:23.200 still doing the illegal thing. 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:26.480 Right right, wow, So clearly it's two to one for 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:28.680 a judicial takeover of the government. 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.400 But I will stand up for liberty. Uh, Is there 0:20:31.480 --> 0:20:32.320 no middle ground? 0:20:32.359 --> 0:20:34.119 Has got to be three judge panel and not a 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.760 single yaho in rural Tennessee. 0:20:37.280 --> 0:20:40.040 Yeah, I think. I think having a single unit yaeho 0:20:40.040 --> 0:20:42.560 in rural Tennessee is perfectly fine because that's what the 0:20:42.600 --> 0:20:45.440 appellate process is sort of. That's why you appeal cases. 0:20:45.560 --> 0:20:47.880 And by the way, that's why you should avoid appointing 0:20:47.960 --> 0:20:50.680 yahoos to the federal bench. You might mention that too. 0:20:52.080 --> 0:20:56.560 The argument, the argument against nationwide injunctions always seems to 0:20:56.600 --> 0:20:58.919 boil down to, well, this is a democracy, and the 0:20:58.920 --> 0:21:01.240 majority it should all always get what it wants, and 0:21:01.280 --> 0:21:03.600 the answer to that is no. What happened to all 0:21:03.600 --> 0:21:05.680 of my friends who used to say, this is a republic, 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.560 not a democracy. The whole point of our system is 0:21:08.600 --> 0:21:11.359 that the majority has to act lawfully, and if it 0:21:11.440 --> 0:21:14.080 acts unlawfully, I can go in front of a judge 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.960 and get that given order from that judge prohibiting the 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:20.399 government from violating my rights. And the idea that we 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.920 should do this piece meal, that only a judge down here, 0:21:22.960 --> 0:21:25.840 that his order only applies there. Meanwhile, the government can 0:21:25.880 --> 0:21:28.840 do illegal things to everybody else in the country until 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.240 the case reaches the US Supreme Court makes no sense 0:21:31.280 --> 0:21:31.600 at all. 0:21:32.680 --> 0:21:36.400 The underlying theme here being folks that what we really 0:21:36.440 --> 0:21:38.159 need to fear is the power of the government in 0:21:38.160 --> 0:21:40.239 this country. That's kind of the idea of forming it. 0:21:40.480 --> 0:21:46.040 So there's no question that these nationwide injunctions were relatively 0:21:46.280 --> 0:21:49.320 or practically completely unknown for one hundred and fifty years. 0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:51.560 Then there are a handful of them, and the number 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:53.600 of them is now skyrots every day. 0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:55.480 It seems like on my phone, I see a judge 0:21:55.520 --> 0:21:56.240 jumped in somewhere. 0:21:56.320 --> 0:21:59.400 Actually, right, I actually don't think that that's true. I 0:21:59.400 --> 0:22:01.959 think that what happened was we just started calling them 0:22:01.960 --> 0:22:05.000 by a different name. You know, there were been injunction 0:22:05.560 --> 0:22:09.880 injunctions against unconstitutional government actions since before there was a constitution. 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:11.440 One of the points that was brought up during the 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:14.439 arguments was that British judges used to do this before 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:18.040 the American Revolution, and that was considered perfectly legitimate. It's 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:20.840