1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:03,800 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,559 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 2: It's been back on the Almost Famous podcast, coming to 4 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: you from gorgeous Lake Tahoe today. I'm pumped to have 5 00:00:11,560 --> 00:00:14,079 Speaker 2: someone on the pod who we got to love on 6 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: The Golden Bachelor and now she's on this season of Paradise. 7 00:00:18,680 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: It's Leslie Fema. Hello. I cannot wait to talk to you, 8 00:00:24,040 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 2: but before I do, I gotta tell you about where 9 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,040 Speaker 2: we're at. We're at a Verbo right now in Lake Tahoe. 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: It's the Verbo Summer House. It is mind blowing. 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This kind of vacation 29 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:34,080 Speaker 2: rentals are also labeled with a last minute badget displays 30 00:01:34,080 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 2: a total amount travelers can save on their booking. Plus, 31 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:41,760 Speaker 2: travelers never have to second guess a total cost or 32 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: worry about hidden fees. Verbo displays all mandatory fees in 33 00:01:46,040 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: the upfront price. Leslie Ben, this week I had the 34 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 2: pleasure of speaking with Hakim, who was on Paradise. I 35 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 2: believe probably before you got there. 36 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:58,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, he left before I got that. 37 00:01:58,360 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 2: S Geam is what we're calling right now. 38 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 3: A young gangm yep. 39 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 2: We asked a Keema, simple question, would you have dated 40 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:08,919 Speaker 2: any of the Goldens? And he said, of course, is 41 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:14,239 Speaker 2: that Leslie, she's a battie. I think it was his words, Oh, Leslie, 42 00:02:14,240 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 2: how does that make you feel? Oh? First, really a 43 00:02:19,080 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: little shocked, Like you look like, are you blushing? 44 00:02:22,240 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 3: I am? 45 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 4: I'm like, wow, Okay, thank you, Hakeem. Too bad that 46 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:33,000 Speaker 4: you left before I got there. He's adorable and funny, 47 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 4: and I was kind of sad a lot of people 48 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 4: weren't there that I was looking forward to. Obviously I 49 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,280 Speaker 4: loved everybody that was there, but yeah, I was like, 50 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 4: where is Hakim? 51 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 3: Where is Susie? 52 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:44,840 Speaker 2: Where you know? 53 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: Everywhere? Where are you? 54 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 4: But you know, my rule is I would never date 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 4: anyone younger than my oldest child, who is going to 56 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 4: be thirty nine in two days. Okay, and actually I've 57 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 4: never dated anyone a few years older than him. So, 58 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,080 Speaker 4: but that is kind of a running joke with me 59 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 4: and my friends. So sorry I came, but thank you 60 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:08,360 Speaker 4: so much. 61 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 2: That big compliment. Yeah, one of the things he quoted 62 00:03:11,480 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 2: in his response to us wash if she was good 63 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 2: enough for Prince, she's good enough for me. So we're 64 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 2: going to dive into this Prince talk. It's kind of 65 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: been talked about, rumored about. You've been open about saying 66 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 2: that the song Sexy Dancer was written in a lot 67 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 2: of parts about you can we dive into this Prince 68 00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:33,640 Speaker 2: stuff a little bit more? 69 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:35,600 Speaker 3: Did we do that like a year ago? 70 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: Though I don't remember it, and I would like to 71 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: do it again if he did. 72 00:03:38,440 --> 00:03:43,400 Speaker 4: I'm just kidding. So the deal is it really is 73 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 4: quite simple. My cousin, Bobby Z was his drummer in 74 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: the Revolution, but before that they were very good friends. 75 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:55,840 Speaker 4: They met, they became best friends, and you know, Bobby 76 00:03:55,960 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 4: introduced me to him really before he was well, not 77 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 4: before he's princes because he's always Prince, but before like 78 00:04:02,600 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 4: his first album came out, and Bobby would take him 79 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 4: around because he hadn't gotten his license yet or something. 80 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 4: I don't know. 81 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: They were just always together. 82 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 4: And I was dancing in a fashion show and Prince, 83 00:04:15,320 --> 00:04:16,960 Speaker 4: you know, we kind of liked each other. I mean 84 00:04:16,960 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 4: we were seventeen, and so he took Prince to watch 85 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 4: me dance in the fashion show. 86 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: And he said, you're a sexy dancer. 87 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 4: And so basically he told Bobby, you know, people don't 88 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 4: believe me. I'm not dragging my cousin into it. You 89 00:04:35,760 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 4: can call him, you can text him, but again, I 90 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 4: don't want to drag my cousin into it. But he 91 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 4: said to Bobby that the song I'm writing is about Leslie. 92 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 4: She's a sexy dancer. So you know, when it came out, 93 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: you know, listen, It's got five words sexy dancer, want 94 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:50,800 Speaker 4: your body, that's all it says. 95 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 3: It's not a deep song. 96 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 2: How does it make you feel to listen to? 97 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 4: You know, I hadn't listened to it for a really 98 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 4: long time. And then when we had a free day 99 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 4: on Golden Bachelor, one of the producers took their phone 100 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:06,919 Speaker 4: out and says, I have a song. 101 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 3: I want to play, and I'm like, oh my god. 102 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 4: You know, but it was kind of funny, and so 103 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 4: it's not something I listen to every day, you know. 104 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,840 Speaker 2: But but if you need to get hyped up, I mean, you. 105 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 4: Know, it's been so long, and we we did have 106 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 4: some memories. I mean I was in the Ice Follies 107 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:26,840 Speaker 4: and he would then he became Prince and he had 108 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 4: his first album. We did kind of date a couple 109 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:34,039 Speaker 4: of years, so like seventeen to nineteen basically, and but 110 00:05:34,160 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 4: back then there was no cell phone, so he'd write 111 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 4: me letters and he'd have all this artwork on it, 112 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 4: and so all my friends from the Ice Follies we 113 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:43,800 Speaker 4: sit around at night with their glasses of wine, and 114 00:05:43,839 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 4: I'd read the letters to my friends because. 115 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: It was very They were very provocative. 116 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 4: It was like story time, you know, yeah, yeah, so 117 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 4: is that what you're saying? 118 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, he's good with ears. 119 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 2: Do you have these letters still? 120 00:06:00,200 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: The weird thing is so fast forward many years. I 121 00:06:04,120 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 4: moved to California and moved to LA and I drove 122 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 4: out there with I had a little, you know, you know, 123 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 4: Volkswagen convertible, and I had all the letters in a 124 00:06:16,839 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 4: big plastic bag and my car got repossessed, not because 125 00:06:21,760 --> 00:06:23,360 Speaker 4: of my fault, but I'm not going to go into it. 126 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,039 Speaker 4: My car got repossessed. But when I went to get 127 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:29,840 Speaker 4: my car, everything was there but the bag of letters. 128 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,919 Speaker 2: So you don't know where they're at. We could like 129 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:36,919 Speaker 2: start a whole podcast on finding these letters again. They 130 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:37,799 Speaker 2: would be worse. 131 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,280 Speaker 4: Something tell me about that. But I, to be honest, 132 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 4: wouldn't sell them. I would like them back, but I 133 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,360 Speaker 4: don't know where they are. They could have been thrown 134 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:49,400 Speaker 4: out or burned, or maybe they're on the internet somewhere 135 00:06:49,440 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 4: I don't know, but or maybe somebody that didn't want 136 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:55,480 Speaker 4: me to have them through them out that's a whole 137 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 4: other podcast though. 138 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,040 Speaker 3: Anyways, I think we. 139 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 2: Have an idea find the letters. Was there any other 140 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 2: famous names that you were connected to back in the day, 141 00:07:04,760 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 2: I mean, you were a sexy dancer. I'm assuming that 142 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:10,680 Speaker 2: Prince wasn't the only one to recognize this. 143 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:14,880 Speaker 4: Hmmm, Well, I don't know, because then, really I went 144 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:18,200 Speaker 4: into the Ice Follies and you know, all my friends 145 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 4: and the Ice fallis would call me sexy dancer because 146 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 4: I knew the song was about me, and I still 147 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 4: have friends that call me that, and they wanted me 148 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 4: to make like hashtag and sexy dancer. 149 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 3: I'm not going to do that. 150 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 4: I'm not going to capitalize on Prince, you know, I'm 151 00:07:30,200 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 4: just not doing that. But no, I mean, you know, 152 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,239 Speaker 4: just everyone knew me in the Ice show as being 153 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 4: the dancer, and Peggy Fleming needed to do like a 154 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,680 Speaker 4: disco number and she was not, you know, she was 155 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 4: so graceful and beautiful, and so they had me teacher 156 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 4: like disco moves on the ice, you know, because she 157 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 4: was doing a back then there was disco, you know, 158 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:57,000 Speaker 4: and so we became fast friends. But yeah, so I've 159 00:07:57,040 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 4: had some good experiences through my dancing. 160 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 2: The good experience have led to your time on The 161 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 2: Golden Bachelor, which is where we're going to go. Now. 162 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: We're not going to stay in the Golden Bachelor long 163 00:08:09,040 --> 00:08:12,280 Speaker 2: because obviously that time has come and gone for you 164 00:08:12,360 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 2: and we now are getting to watch you in Paradise. 165 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 2: But you were a runner up on that season. How 166 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:20,760 Speaker 2: would you describe your relationship with Gary now? 167 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 4: I really don't have a relationship with Gary. If I 168 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 4: see him, we're fine. We are very cordial. I really 169 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,760 Speaker 4: only want the best for him. And I did see 170 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 4: him at Grant's finale and he told me he had 171 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 4: a girlfriend, and I'm happy for him. You know, I 172 00:08:40,640 --> 00:08:43,560 Speaker 4: just want everyone to be happy really in our age. 173 00:08:43,600 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 4: I mean it's like TikTok. We all want to, you know, 174 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 4: find our person and get on with our life. 175 00:08:48,840 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 3: So I'm happy for him. 176 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 4: Obviously, if you would have asked me that September after 177 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:56,960 Speaker 4: the show, when I got home, you know, it was 178 00:08:57,000 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 4: hard for me and I did have some dark days, 179 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 4: but I, like always, I just picked myself up and 180 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 4: moved on. 181 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 3: So I only want the best. 182 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 2: Do you wish it would have played out differently now? 183 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 2: I mean you're a little bit removed. I remember speaking 184 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: to you right after the show, and it was this like, oh, 185 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: I wish it could have worked, kind of like feeling. 186 00:09:18,840 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 2: Now you see where your life has gone, you're removed 187 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: from that experience, do you still wish that you and 188 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:25,880 Speaker 2: Gary could have maybe had a shot. 189 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:29,280 Speaker 4: You know, it's hard for me to say, Ben, because 190 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 4: I really feel like everything happens for a reason. And 191 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,120 Speaker 4: I don't know. I mean, Teresa and I are alike 192 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:41,640 Speaker 4: a lot, but we're very different too, and so you know, 193 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 4: I don't know if one person's a better fit with 194 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 4: somebody else versus whatever. But I think things happened the 195 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,160 Speaker 4: way they were supposed to, and now that I'm very 196 00:09:53,160 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 4: far to move from it, I feel that it was 197 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 4: best that, you know, I was not the last girl standing. 198 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:03,400 Speaker 2: How long did the feelings like continue after the show 199 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 2: for you? 200 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 4: Well, so, like I said, I had some bad, you 201 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 4: know times after the show because and then watching it 202 00:10:11,880 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 4: back was hard, and the whole thing, the finale was 203 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 4: very hard for me. I think after the finale, which 204 00:10:21,120 --> 00:10:24,439 Speaker 4: was like the end of November, you know, like that December, 205 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:27,440 Speaker 4: I kind of like, you know, just kind of felt better. 206 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 4: And then Teresa invited me to their wedding, and by 207 00:10:30,240 --> 00:10:33,400 Speaker 4: the wedding I really was fine. I really just wanted 208 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 4: them to be happy, because, to be honest, we were 209 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 4: really good friends in the house and we're good friends 210 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 4: now and I love her to death and whatever. You 211 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,080 Speaker 4: know what Again, I thought, well, it was meant to be. 212 00:10:44,320 --> 00:10:45,720 Speaker 4: You know, they're happy, they're getting married. 213 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 2: So you know, on my resume I have that I 214 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,240 Speaker 2: got to dance with the sexy dancer at the We did. 215 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 4: We did, tear it up, then we crushed it. 216 00:10:56,160 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 2: It was good. They said the music, who's the best 217 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 2: dancer here and who's the worst dance are here? Let's 218 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 2: put them together and make them go. Okay, they did, 219 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 2: and there was no music playing, so I just kind 220 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 2: of crushed it. I felt like we did great. Yeah, 221 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:10,600 Speaker 2: me too, I was feeling myself. 222 00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: I thought it was our best moment together. 223 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,560 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Gary's got a book coming out. If you're 224 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:17,920 Speaker 2: mentioned in it, how will that make you feel? And 225 00:11:17,960 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: also are you going to read it? 226 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 4: Hm? Well, I mean I have to be mentioned because 227 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:25,440 Speaker 4: I was a big part of that show and a 228 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 4: big part of his journey. I think that I don't 229 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 4: feel like I did anything where he is going to 230 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:40,240 Speaker 4: say something derogatory about me. So I'm okay. I think 231 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 4: with it. We had a great time. We laughed a lot. 232 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:48,040 Speaker 4: You know, he broke my heart, but everything's okay. So 233 00:11:48,120 --> 00:11:51,440 Speaker 4: it's not like anything happened, you know, like I didn't 234 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 4: do anything, you know, obviously, it was just you know, 235 00:11:54,800 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 4: it's his journey, his decision. So I'm okay, and I'm 236 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:02,319 Speaker 4: going to read it. I don't know, I have to see. 237 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm interested in seeing what he says, 238 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 4: so I probably will. 239 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:21,360 Speaker 2: One of the hopes when your season aired, and I 240 00:12:21,400 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 2: do believe it was kind of slammed the door wide 241 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: open for the future of the Golden Show to continue 242 00:12:28,520 --> 00:12:30,600 Speaker 2: and to thrive, and I hope it does. It's my hope. 243 00:12:30,600 --> 00:12:33,959 Speaker 2: I love that show. Yeah, is that they would have 244 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 2: a second season. Yeah, and they have a second season. 245 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:40,520 Speaker 2: Mel Owens was announced as the Bachelor. He's been in 246 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,560 Speaker 2: the press a ton since his announcement. Yeah, he had 247 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,520 Speaker 2: some controversial age comments that kind of fire people up. 248 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:52,320 Speaker 2: He had said some things pretty much requesting or demanding 249 00:12:52,360 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 2: in a lot of ways that the women that were 250 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: cast on his season b below sixty years old. Right, 251 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 2: What do you think about that? How do you feel 252 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,320 Speaker 2: about those comments and does it keep you excited to 253 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:07,320 Speaker 2: watch the season or are you kind of turned off? 254 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 3: I'm turned off, and so. 255 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 2: Many people are. And that's a bummer because the show 256 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 2: had a really easy, I know, ability to just like 257 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 2: put somebody in that people would love. Yeah, and Golden 258 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:20,040 Speaker 2: should not be controversial. 259 00:13:19,559 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 4: No, I mean, especially the lead. That's what I loved 260 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:28,280 Speaker 4: about our show. I knew nothing about Gary he was. 261 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:31,400 Speaker 4: I saw him as the world saw him on you know, 262 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 4: Good Morning America when they announced him. I didn't do 263 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:37,640 Speaker 4: any deep dives. Some of the other women did, you know, 264 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:39,760 Speaker 4: and they found out more about him. I didn't want 265 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 4: and I didn't want to know anything I saw him. 266 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:46,440 Speaker 4: I want to go in there organically he was you know, 267 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 4: he was actually going, you're so young. I'm like, I'm young. 268 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 4: I'm sixty at that time, I was sixty five or 269 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 4: sixty four, and he goes, no, but you know, And 270 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 4: so I love that part about him, like he wasn't 271 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 4: looking for that young girl, you know, and young girl 272 00:14:02,640 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 4: sixty four. But but this melowens. I don't. I if 273 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: I was one of those women going on the show 274 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 4: right now, I think it'd be really hard because part 275 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,520 Speaker 4: of the beauty of us, I especially well, I don't 276 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't try that hard. My hair 277 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 4: is curly, it's curly if I didn't have makeup. I mean, 278 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 4: I'm just not that type of girl. And so I 279 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 4: feel I feel worried for these women that have to 280 00:14:27,720 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 4: like are they gonna look okay? 281 00:14:29,120 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 3: Are they you know? 282 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 4: And part of being you know, a little bit older, 283 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: is you kind of just don't care? 284 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think. My personal opinion is I do 285 00:14:38,200 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 2: love the Golden Show. I do, and I love it 286 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:45,280 Speaker 2: for reasons that are complete opposite of what he was saying. 287 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 2: I love the second chance, that love, chance of love. 288 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 2: I love the lack of controversial characters that we can 289 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 2: celebrate every single person that walks to the door, including 290 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 2: the lead. I like the innocence of dating later in life. 291 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: It is just just desire to be with somebody and 292 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,000 Speaker 2: just connect with somebody and share life with some exactly. 293 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,680 Speaker 2: I think I'm nervous that those comments will lead us 294 00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 2: to feel very much like it's just another Bachelor season 295 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 2: with older contestants. 296 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,280 Speaker 4: I feel that, and you know, I and then sometimes 297 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:19,640 Speaker 4: it's hard to watch, you know what. 298 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:21,360 Speaker 3: The Goldens. I mean, of course it was hard to 299 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 3: watch some of it. 300 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 4: You know, I'm crying and this one, you know, but 301 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 4: but those were true emotions really, and and this I 302 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:32,360 Speaker 4: just hope the women I saw the women, they look gorgeous, 303 00:15:33,360 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 4: you know, Hopefully they are confident with themselves and just 304 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 4: I want them to just if I could give them advice, 305 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 4: just be yourself, because at the end of the day, 306 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 4: you know, that's what this is all about, you know, 307 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 4: growing all just being comfortable in our own skin. 308 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 3: And you know, so I. 309 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,680 Speaker 2: Am in the strong opinion I would have rather had 310 00:15:55,680 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 2: a Golden Lead be eighty years old and see that 311 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,680 Speaker 2: like dynamic play out than I would to push it 312 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 2: back to make everybody really pretty and put together. I 313 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: would have rather seen yeah, like them go far further, 314 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 2: even in a different direction. 315 00:16:12,440 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree, I agree with you. 316 00:16:16,040 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 4: But you know, they had a chance maybe to get 317 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 4: another lead, and they chose not to. So I guess 318 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:25,080 Speaker 4: people are going to tune in out of curiosity. You hope, 319 00:16:25,320 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: I hope, I mean, I hope, so for sure. 320 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I hope. So now we're going to switch gears 321 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: to Paradise. You're obviously on Paradise, right, now as we speak, 322 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 2: we talked about Hakeem's statements. Do you have made it 323 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: clear up to this point you wouldn't have daten a 324 00:16:41,840 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: young and if they were younger than your children, which 325 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: I think was a tease going into the whole season, 326 00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: was were people going to date younger or day older? 327 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:51,120 Speaker 3: Yeah? 328 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 2: Was there anyone you were hoping to meet before you 329 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 2: got on the beach, like anybody specifically when you got 330 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:00,480 Speaker 2: on the plane, You're like, I hope they show up. 331 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: I hope they're there. 332 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:06,399 Speaker 4: Well, it's a little bit hard because a lot of 333 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:12,119 Speaker 4: the Golden Bachelorette men were in relationships, and so you know, 334 00:17:12,160 --> 00:17:17,399 Speaker 4: I hadn't met most most of them. And I mean 335 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 4: Gary and I met already at the Grand's finale. I 336 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,040 Speaker 4: had met Actually that's the only person I met. But 337 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,159 Speaker 4: you know, like I've I've I've hung out with Jordan 338 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 4: a little bit, but he has a girlfriend. And I 339 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 4: hung out with Pascal a little bit as friends, you know, 340 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,280 Speaker 4: but I'm too old for him. So you know, it's like, 341 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 4: so there wasn't like one particular person. But I thought 342 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 4: they were going to bring in men that we hadn't met. 343 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 4: I thought they were going to go into some guys 344 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 4: that had applied for Golden Bachelorette. Interesting and that didn't 345 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,800 Speaker 4: get on the show because they have they had so many. Yeah, 346 00:17:55,800 --> 00:18:00,000 Speaker 4: and that's it was really our belief, not just mine, 347 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 4: a lot of us, you know, well all six it 348 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 4: was seven of us. 349 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,679 Speaker 3: We thought that was going to happen. 350 00:18:06,200 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: That's been interesting. It would have increased a pool a. 351 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 4: Little bit, it would have yeah, yeah, but I mean 352 00:18:11,119 --> 00:18:14,600 Speaker 4: and then April picking Jonathan like it's a double edged sword. 353 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:17,879 Speaker 4: It was amazing, and I kind of wanted to do 354 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 4: the same thing at that point because you know, Natasha 355 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:25,960 Speaker 4: took Gary because she got called first, so I really 356 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 4: didn't know who was going to pick, and so that 357 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 4: was a great thing because we all love Jonathan, we 358 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,879 Speaker 4: all want him to have a second chance. 359 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:35,480 Speaker 3: I love it as well. 360 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,760 Speaker 4: But then she kind of cannibalized us with the Goldens, 361 00:18:38,800 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 4: like there's now there's one more guy going home. 362 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:46,240 Speaker 3: So it was just, yeah, it was kind of. 363 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:50,400 Speaker 2: Got messed up. Yeah, the right now as we're watching, 364 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 2: I think it's six women and three men. Yes, right, 365 00:18:55,800 --> 00:18:58,960 Speaker 2: it's a very like it's doubled amount of women. 366 00:18:59,119 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 3: Yep. 367 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,640 Speaker 2: Me that the Goldens as we know them as we expect, 368 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 2: they're going to be dwindled down. It's gonna be harder 369 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 2: and harder to find relationships. We have seen you have 370 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 2: a spark with Gary, but Gary seems to be a 371 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,159 Speaker 2: very hot commodity in Paradise. So the moment he walked 372 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 2: through the door or out of his car looking back 373 00:19:20,880 --> 00:19:25,680 Speaker 2: looking currently, how real was that spark? And then I 374 00:19:25,760 --> 00:19:28,800 Speaker 2: think the most interesting part of this that nobody's clarifying 375 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: is he is a hot commodity. You had the first 376 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:35,239 Speaker 2: date with him that seemed to go well, but it 377 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,520 Speaker 2: feels like he's never around to invest into your relationship 378 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 2: because he's always getting asked on dates. 379 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 4: That is true. I felt like we had an amazing date. 380 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: It was so much fun. 381 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 4: We just laughed and danced in the rain, and I 382 00:19:53,400 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 4: felt very connected to him. And then they goes on 383 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 4: a date with Nancy, and of course Nancy gets to 384 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,360 Speaker 4: choose whoever she wants. You know, again, I want everyone 385 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 4: to find their person, to be on their own journey 386 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 4: and whatever. So I was happy for her, but then 387 00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 4: I'm like, okay, well no, you know, like it was 388 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,280 Speaker 4: just yeah, it. 389 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 3: A little it's a little it was a little different, and. 390 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,000 Speaker 2: I mean, Natasha gave him the rose, so you kind 391 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: of have this date, but then you don't get a 392 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 2: chance to validate or catch up on hair. Are you 393 00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: feeling this too? 394 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:26,280 Speaker 1: M h? 395 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,359 Speaker 2: Was this good? Was this not? It feels like and 396 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 2: to nobody's fault, yeah, nobody. You know, nobody's expected to 397 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:35,119 Speaker 2: be like, hey, let's wait for Leslie to figure this 398 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:35,639 Speaker 2: out now. 399 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 4: And I couldn't tell Tatasha what to do. I mean, 400 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 4: you know, that's why would I tell her who to 401 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: give a rose? 402 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 2: Toe? But what were your feelings as you stood there? 403 00:20:45,240 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 2: I mean at this point as we're watching, you're on 404 00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:49,639 Speaker 2: your own Lowly Island. Now, we don't see you in 405 00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 2: Gary together, we don't see you with anybody I know, 406 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:54,400 Speaker 2: So how like, how are you feeling in these moments 407 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:55,399 Speaker 2: as we watched the show? 408 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,560 Speaker 3: You know, it was a little I had such a 409 00:20:59,560 --> 00:20:59,959 Speaker 3: great time. 410 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 4: I'm in paradise, and I didn't have the feelings and 411 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:05,840 Speaker 4: go like I did on Golden matchro. I didn't cry, 412 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:11,480 Speaker 4: I didn't, you know, but I did feel like Natasha 413 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,880 Speaker 4: gave him the rose, and but I did tell him. 414 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,320 Speaker 4: I just I said, I want you to know that 415 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 4: if I was called first, I would have given you 416 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,560 Speaker 4: my rose because I wanted and I told Kim that too. 417 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 4: I didn't want him to get the wrong idea. I said, Kim, 418 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 4: I chose you because I feel like you add something 419 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:30,120 Speaker 4: to the group. And you know, basically, I really didn't 420 00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 4: give the rose to and you know, because I was 421 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 4: really frantic at that moment, and so I'm like, I 422 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 4: don't know who to choose. I don't know who to choose. 423 00:21:39,080 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 4: There's a lot of things going through my mind. 424 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:42,479 Speaker 3: So I don't know. 425 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,160 Speaker 4: I mean, it was it was difficult. It was difficult, 426 00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 4: but you know, I again, I'm kind of comfortable in 427 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 4: my own skin. And if I go and I'm thinking, 428 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 4: you know, there's now Gary has three women that he 429 00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 4: could choose from at the next Rose ceremony, which is 430 00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 4: next week, and I was thinking, if he doesn't choose me, 431 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 4: I go home, and it's all right, Like I'm not 432 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 4: going home broken hearted. I'm not going you know, it's 433 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,679 Speaker 4: I had a great time. I made amazing friends. I 434 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,680 Speaker 4: came back with like eight new daughters. 435 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 3: I mean, I love those girls so much. 436 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 4: So I felt okay with it, and I packed my suitcase, 437 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 4: you know, and I was ready to go. 438 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: We do see Kim, Captain Kim, he's very confident that 439 00:22:30,200 --> 00:22:33,280 Speaker 2: you're going to give him the rose, But we don't 440 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: really know why he's so confident. He's communicating that. It's like, 441 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,880 Speaker 2: you guys have this thing that we're trying to catch 442 00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: up with his viewers. We actually also see him read 443 00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 2: you a poem, and be honest here, what was going 444 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 2: through your mind as he's reading you this poem? Also 445 00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 2: then when you're watching his back seeing his confidence in 446 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:54,840 Speaker 2: your relationship? 447 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:59,880 Speaker 4: Well, I don't obviously want to say anything bad about my. 448 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 2: My, but you we will. You don't want to, but 449 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,879 Speaker 2: you would if you just wanted to. 450 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,920 Speaker 4: Oh my god, So what's going through my mind? Is ova? 451 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 4: And also he's pretty good at poems. I write poems too, 452 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:18,680 Speaker 4: but he's pretty good. Okay, that's number two. Number three 453 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 4: is I don't I saw him all day with that book, 454 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 4: and I kept thinking, what is he writing? 455 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,640 Speaker 3: What is is he writing? Journaling? And then I found 456 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 3: out he was working on that poem all day. 457 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I you know, I always feel bad and 458 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 4: I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings, and I wanted him, 459 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 4: and that's why I was honest with them. I did 460 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:41,760 Speaker 4: actually say to him. I just want you to know 461 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 4: I would have given Gary my rose if I was 462 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:46,600 Speaker 4: called first. But I wanted you here, you know, so 463 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 4: thank you so much, and you know, but we are 464 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:53,119 Speaker 4: I just only feel like friends. So I try to 465 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 4: nip in the butt. Yeah, I don't know how it got. 466 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: I don't know how it got so confident. But I 467 00:23:59,000 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 4: don't know. 468 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,159 Speaker 2: But I mean he's still there to potentially give you 469 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 2: a rose this upcoming week, right, Yeah, so if Gary 470 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:11,600 Speaker 2: choose somebody else, he is a backup play, he's your 471 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: backup plan. 472 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 4: Well, yeah, he's my backup. But I didn't Okay, I 473 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 4: just want to clarify. I didn't play that game. I 474 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,639 Speaker 4: didn't give a rose to someone who I thought was 475 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 4: going to give a. 476 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 2: Help it that you're the sexy dancer like you can't 477 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: help it that two of the three guys are interested 478 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 2: in you. You don't play the game, but it's just 479 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,959 Speaker 2: who you are there. You can't help it. It's it's 480 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 2: too bad. I feel bad for you that so many 481 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 2: people are, you know, gaining your You're gaining so many 482 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 2: people's attention. I mean, you're you're batting a pretty good percentage. 483 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:49,679 Speaker 2: You're at sixty six point sixty six percent of the 484 00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 2: guys in the group are interested. 485 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 3: And that's because I'm sixty six point sixty two years old. 486 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 2: No, that's fair too. We're gonna do some rapid fires, 487 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,200 Speaker 2: but before we do, it looks like to us from 488 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 2: our show, we had a lot of questions going into Paradise, 489 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:18,880 Speaker 2: and I think viewers had a lot of questions when 490 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,920 Speaker 2: it comes to the Goldens being there alongside of the 491 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 2: Bachelor and Bachelorette cast. What was this going to be? 492 00:25:24,480 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 2: Was this going to get awkward and efe and weird 493 00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:29,080 Speaker 2: and chaotic or how is it going to intermingle? A 494 00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 2: lot of confusion. I will say, sitting here in the seat, 495 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,480 Speaker 2: I do now I really enjoyed having the Goldens there. 496 00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:37,200 Speaker 2: In fact, I think I enjoy watching them sometimes more 497 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 2: than I do the young'ins. It looks like the Goldens 498 00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:45,080 Speaker 2: are having so much fun, and TV can tell a 499 00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,359 Speaker 2: different story than the reality. So for the viewers, the 500 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:51,880 Speaker 2: listeners of the show, were the Goldens having as much 501 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:53,879 Speaker 2: fun as it seems on television? 502 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,359 Speaker 3: Unequivocally yes, really yes? 503 00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 2: Why do you think that was? 504 00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:02,560 Speaker 4: Because like I kind of touched on before, we don't care, 505 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 4: we you know, we just want to have fun. We 506 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 4: we love each other. We may have an eye roll 507 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,119 Speaker 4: here and there, but it's not malicious. 508 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 3: You know. I love my roommate Kathy. She's great. No, 509 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 3: she doesn't interesting good for her, I know. 510 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 4: Well I did have my AirPods that all night, but 511 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,000 Speaker 4: there was a calmness to the room when she was sleeping. 512 00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:35,439 Speaker 4: So yeah, but no, I mean we just had so 513 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,800 Speaker 4: much fun. And I can honestly say I had such 514 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 4: a good time. I will say that over and over 515 00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 4: I had I'm not saying I didn't have fun on 516 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 4: Golden Bachelor, you know, but this was a completely different experience. 517 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 2: So I've heard that so many times that Paradise is 518 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 2: actually like fun. It was fun, and the Bachelor sometimes 519 00:26:55,119 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 2: is very emotional and heavy, exactly tiring, tiring. I've heard 520 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: Paradise is a blast. 521 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 3: I've never it's a blast. 522 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:03,840 Speaker 4: And you know, I guess it did help that we 523 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 4: had air conditioning in our rooms. Maybe if it was 524 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 4: at the old place. You know, WELLS is going, I 525 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 4: like the old place. I'm like, really, you rather not 526 00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:16,760 Speaker 4: have air conditioning? And you know he's laughing, but I no, 527 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 4: I I had the best time, and every morning I 528 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 4: woke up and you know what my view was the 529 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:31,880 Speaker 4: beautiful beach and Dale, Jonathan Jeering, me and Brian all 530 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:35,760 Speaker 4: working out. Yeah, and I'm like doing my pilates and 531 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 4: I'm just staring at him. I'm like, you know, hey, 532 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: I'm not touching, but I can look. 533 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:44,800 Speaker 2: You can look. Yeah, I'm looking. Those dudes are just insane. 534 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,760 Speaker 2: Yeah they look they look like they worked out every day. Yeah, 535 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 2: good for them. 536 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:50,399 Speaker 3: The best line though, of the whole for me. I 537 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: laughed so hard. 538 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,600 Speaker 4: So I was sitting next to some of the guys 539 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 4: Keith and and and Gary at the bar and one 540 00:27:58,280 --> 00:28:00,960 Speaker 4: of them ordered a beer and so well goes fourth 541 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 4: beer and I'm like, what of the day or the hour? 542 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 4: And he goes of my whole time doing this, I said, 543 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 4: what he goes that these guys look like they have 544 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 4: a carb. I was laughing so hard. I just went, 545 00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,760 Speaker 4: oh my god, this is crazy. Then they're drinking rose, 546 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 4: you know. 547 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great behind the scenes because he's not 548 00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 2: probably wrong. No, like people come on the show and 549 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:26,439 Speaker 2: they're especially paradise you'r shirtless all the time? Yeah that 550 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,040 Speaker 2: I bet in his history every single person's like I 551 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: can't have a beer that's gonna make bloat my stuff 552 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,400 Speaker 2: exactly like I'm drinking rose and margarite. 553 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,440 Speaker 3: Wait then the gold has come around. 554 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 4: They don't care. We're having Martini's old fashions. Everything. 555 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:45,760 Speaker 2: Load us up. Okay, the rapid fires? 556 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:46,120 Speaker 3: Okay. 557 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 2: What's something that happened in Paradise or happened to you 558 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 2: or anybody else that you didn't anticipate before you went down. 559 00:28:54,280 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 4: I didn't anticipate being so welcomed by the group, especially 560 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 4: the girls. I mean for me, because I just literally 561 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 4: they just I just love them so much. I love 562 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 4: every one of them, And that was kind of shocking 563 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 4: to me. I was a little nervous about that. 564 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, if there's one couple that exists right now in 565 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 2: Paradise that we all know of based on where we're 566 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 2: at in the season, who are you most rooting for? 567 00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 4: Oh well, I'm rooting for a lot of them, but 568 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,640 Speaker 4: I'm rooting for Spencer and Jess. 569 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, Spencer and oh yeah, that's a very solid relationship. 570 00:29:29,560 --> 00:29:29,960 Speaker 3: Yeah. 571 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 2: How would you sum up Paradise in three words? 572 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 3: Fun? Fun, fun, It's perfect. 573 00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 2: One last rapid fire. As you're watching it back, do 574 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: you regret anything that happened in Paradise that you were 575 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 2: a part of. 576 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,720 Speaker 3: No, I didn't do anything that my kids would be 577 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:45,320 Speaker 3: embarrassed of. 578 00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 2: So you don't wish you would have taken a body 579 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,080 Speaker 2: shot off of a young and I do not correct 580 00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: or let them take a body shot off of you. 581 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 3: Correct. 582 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:57,400 Speaker 2: Okay, good final question. We're seeing teasers now for the 583 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:00,680 Speaker 2: money part of Paradise. Last week we got bigger hint 584 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: that that looks like the money is coming into play 585 00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:04,959 Speaker 2: and there's games going to be played, competition is going 586 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:10,000 Speaker 2: to be had. Were as viewers still getting used to 587 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 2: this new Paradise and now we added in this whole 588 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:17,000 Speaker 2: new wrinkle. The money is going to change things no 589 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 2: matter what it does. It looks like it's a lot 590 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:24,520 Speaker 2: of money. Yeah, with what you can say, why would 591 00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 2: a viewer still be invested into the show knowing that 592 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 2: everything's about to change And for some critics, including myself, 593 00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 2: it feels like money is going to take away from 594 00:30:35,400 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: the romantic side of Paradise. 595 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,040 Speaker 4: I think that you Just to be honest with you, 596 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:43,000 Speaker 4: I'm just going to preface this by saying I don't 597 00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:48,200 Speaker 4: know how it ended, okay, but I would say that 598 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:54,400 Speaker 4: by the money might enhance some of these relationships. But 599 00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 4: I feel like a few of these relationships are really strong, 600 00:30:58,400 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 4: and I don't think the money will matter. 601 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,840 Speaker 2: It's just going to be an added benefit. 602 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 3: That's what I think. 603 00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:07,040 Speaker 2: You know. Do you like that money was involved. 604 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 3: I don't really have an opinion on that. 605 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 4: To be honest, all of us, the Goldens, I meant 606 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 4: we could have cared. I mean that wasn't like we 607 00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,840 Speaker 4: didn't go, oh my god, we got a window. 608 00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 3: I mean we could. You know. 609 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,440 Speaker 4: We're like, we want the youngins to win, Like you know, 610 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:23,760 Speaker 4: who wouldn't want all that money, but you know, I 611 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 4: mean they're starting their lives out and all that stuff. 612 00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:29,760 Speaker 4: We that didn't enter my mind for a second. 613 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: Really, Leslie, is there anything I didn't ask you that 614 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 2: you want to share? 615 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to ask you something. 616 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:37,240 Speaker 2: You can ask me anything. 617 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 3: When are we going to dance again today tonight? 618 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 2: Well? No, I'm leaving. 619 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,960 Speaker 3: I know you're leaving. You got out of that one. 620 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 2: I got out of that one. It would be a 621 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: dream we should have last night. I know I had 622 00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 2: the perfect the perfect moment. I mean the river, I know, beautiful. 623 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 4: House, this place by the way, Tahoe is like my Literally, 624 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,120 Speaker 4: I have been here for once, but this is my 625 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,000 Speaker 4: new favorite place. 626 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,640 Speaker 2: It's incredible. Yeah, the house that we're in that verbo 627 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:10,120 Speaker 2: is available on verbo. It's absolutely spectacular. I jumped in 628 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,560 Speaker 2: the river last night out in front of the house. 629 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:14,520 Speaker 2: It felt like a cold plunge. 630 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. 631 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,160 Speaker 2: I came up by the fire, had a cocktail. We 632 00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 2: got the chat. 633 00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, you look like you were pretty spent though I. 634 00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 2: Was pretty tired. The cold plunge really wipe me out relaxed, 635 00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:28,760 Speaker 2: and it's also just the relaxing setting of being in 636 00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:30,400 Speaker 2: the pine trees and being at the rivers. 637 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 3: It is beyond gorgeous. 638 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 2: Leslie, thanks for joining us. We cannot wait to continue 639 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 2: to watch you in Paradise. 640 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 3: Thank you. 641 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:40,960 Speaker 2: Thanks for sharing the insights that you could and did. Also, 642 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,959 Speaker 2: I want to find these letters. So if anybody's listening, 643 00:32:44,120 --> 00:32:46,680 Speaker 2: hashtag find the Letters. Find the Letters. That's a good hashtag. 644 00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,360 Speaker 2: That's not capitalizing on Prince, that's helping our show. This 645 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,800 Speaker 2: has been the Almost Famous podcast. I'm Ben Until next 646 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 2: time You've been. 647 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: Leslie followed the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast 648 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: on iHeart Radio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.