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Speaker 1: At least. He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt

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Speaker 1: Williamson on your twenty four to seven home of the

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Speaker 1: Black and Gold in Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. And it is a lovely Monday

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Speaker 2: here in Pittsburgh. Yeah, you know, it is what it is.

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Speaker 2: It's cold this week, I think, Yeah, a little bit chillier,

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Speaker 2: but it should warm up in time for next week

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Speaker 2: as we get closer and closer to the NFL draft

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Speaker 2: of Steelers far away. Thursday will be two weeks out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Steelers had two visitors in today. Defensive lineman Josh Farmer. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Dad's up, one of our favorites save Yeah, and they're

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Speaker 2: running back base Sheelle Tuton from Virginia Tech.

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Speaker 3: Okay, exciting players, especially Touton. I mean, excitement is what

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Speaker 3: he does. He can really scoot. Really gifted. Fumbles are

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Speaker 3: an obvious this problem with them, but maybe that's I

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Speaker 3: mean there that is correct. Whether that gets corrected or not,

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Speaker 3: who knows, best tester at the combine amongst great testers,

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Speaker 3: just really indicates that that's kind of the back they're

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Speaker 3: looking for.

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Speaker 2: It.

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Speaker 3: It seems it seems.

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Speaker 2: Like they're looking in that direction. They want to speed type.

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Speaker 3: Back Samson Henderson, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 2: Guys that they're looking at. And you know, we'll see

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Speaker 2: if that turns out to be the case.

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Speaker 3: Right, I mean, doubt's the smoke screen. I'm sure they're

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Speaker 3: strongly considering it, you know.

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Speaker 2: And for you know, with Farmer, I talked to him

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Speaker 2: at the Senior Bowl. Uh, similar body type to Keanu Benton, Okay,

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Speaker 2: but a little bit different again. I think he's a

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Speaker 2: guy that could play the nose, could play in it

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Speaker 2: just depends, But I think he's more nose ish.

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Speaker 3: I do too. I do too. Then Benton is unusually

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Speaker 3: long arms for a nose though, and for his body type.

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Speaker 3: It was like him and Thomas were like the only

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Speaker 3: good things that happened in Florida State lest here. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and he's been a really good prospect. Moves well, has

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Speaker 3: some pass rush I mean, but more of a run

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Speaker 3: stuff er. I think he'd be a real good fit.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk arm length for a minute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we did our we did our top twenty

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Speaker 2: one last week, and a lot of people not a lot,

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Speaker 2: but a few people on the messages on the YouTube channel.

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Speaker 2: Didn't like the fact that we left off Mason Graham.

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Speaker 3: Sure. I figured we'd get some feedback.

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Speaker 2: On that and maybe we could have put him on

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Speaker 2: at the end of the list some Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 2: but quite frankly, and I said this last week.

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Speaker 3: Five guys on the list. I wasn't married too. It

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Speaker 3: was a hard list to make this. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got thirty two inch arms. Yeah, yeah, thirty

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Speaker 2: two inch arms.

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Speaker 3: I think he's a small body type.

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Speaker 2: And he's a small body type, and he's not a

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Speaker 2: very good athlete. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Other than that, I mean, I think makes plays.

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Speaker 2: Not a bad football not saying that he's a bad

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Speaker 2: football player. He's not going to be a veil when

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Speaker 2: the Steelers drafted twenty one, because he specifically fits a

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Speaker 2: four to three defense as the kind of the weak

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Speaker 2: side guy. Put him over a guard and he's going

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Speaker 2: to beat up on said guard. Sometimes.

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Speaker 3: There's been three or four analysts that I've listened to

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Speaker 3: only think he's a third down intoier pass rusher and

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Speaker 3: a good one. I mean, he gets off the ball

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Speaker 3: and he makes plays, and he's good with his hands

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Speaker 2: He's also I said the exact same thing last ye.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, which is always a four man front.

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Speaker 3: I mean again, Yeah, Dick Lebow wouldn't want him. That

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Speaker 3: doesn't mean the Steelers couldn't use him. He could be

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Speaker 3: there open joby, I mean times of change. It's not

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Speaker 3: definitely be useful to any team. It shocks me that

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Speaker 3: he's getting like Jacksonville to five kind of buzz. And

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Speaker 3: initially I kind of fell in line like, yeah, he's great,

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Speaker 3: he's on the ground a lot. He's not a very

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Speaker 3: good athlete, doesn't have great length, He's not a bulky dude.

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Speaker 3: I can't believe he's the best defensive tackle in this draft.

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Speaker 3: You know, I don't think he is, and I don't

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Speaker 2: Can fit here at all, right, Right, you know they're.

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Speaker 3: Not gonna have this dilemma. He's not gonna be He's.

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Speaker 2: Not going to be there because you know, the comp

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Speaker 2: yeah Atkins yeah yah yeah, who also had like thirty

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Speaker 3: Well he's initial quick and undersized and yeah yeah yeah right.

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Speaker 2: So if he's that, okay, great, right, right right, But

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Speaker 2: if he isn't, there's a long litten list of guys

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Speaker 3: You know, Atkins, but they wouldn't draft.

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Speaker 2: You're not drafted in the first round. Geno Atkins was

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Speaker 3: Right right. And what I mean by that is like

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Speaker 3: if he cost you the pick, knowing what you know

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Speaker 3: Atkins cost that way, they would take a different direction.

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Speaker 3: You know, he's a win off the snap, initial burst,

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Speaker 3: really good player. I mean, they wouldn't have drafted war

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Speaker 3: Sap either. I mean, it's just not the style of

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Speaker 3: dudes are after now. They take other guys more than ever.

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Speaker 3: But Ogunjobi's a big three technique. I mean, SAP's a

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Speaker 3: big three technique, Grady Jarrett, Atkins, they're not. They would

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Speaker 3: only be designated pass rushers. Yeah, and frankly so with

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Speaker 3: Aaron Donald, except he's awesome because he's an outlier. But

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Speaker 3: like the draft profile of Aaron Donald. You know he's

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Speaker 3: not always right.

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Speaker 2: I mean, nobody's saying Mason Graham is the next Aaron Donald.

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Speaker 3: No, he's the best to be sack why they ever lived?

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Speaker 2: You know, if he becomes Geno Atkins, now, okay that no.

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Speaker 2: Right, But he doesn't fit the Steelers scheme. Yeah, And

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Speaker 2: I don't think And he's not a nose tackle. No, no,

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Speaker 2: I don't want him. He deals with a lot of

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Speaker 2: doubles because he's good, right, you know, and that helps

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Speaker 2: other way around at in Michigan. But I don't want

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Speaker 2: him sitting there taking on those or double teams all day.

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Speaker 2: He just does I have a lot of sand in

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Speaker 2: play very athletic. So there was one person on the

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Speaker 2: do with him what they did with Casey Hampton. No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: Casey Hampton, while listed at three hundred and twenty pounds, right,

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Speaker 2: I can tell you he was never three hundred and

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Speaker 3: I bad and there's a lot of mass. I mean

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Speaker 3: he's like a giant bowling ball. I mean that different

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Speaker 2: So, I've stood next to Casey Hampton a lot over

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The body type is not anywhere close to being similar.

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Speaker 3: So before that we were talking about Graham a little

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Speaker 3: us and Tyler, our buddy over there, gets us on

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Speaker 3: YouTube's like check out the pick sure of him holding

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Speaker 3: the national title next to JJ McCarthy. They looked like

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Speaker 3: they're the same guy, and they don't look like to

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Speaker 3: same hard Grave, I mean, any of the d linemen

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Speaker 2: He's a good player, and I'm we're not saying he's

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Speaker 2: not a good player. He just doesn't fit the defensive

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Speaker 2: scheme here right right. There have been a lot of

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Speaker 2: guys over the years that didn't I can remember when

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Speaker 2: the Steelers drafted Ziggy Hood in the first round.

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Speaker 3: I just brought him up the other day because I

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Speaker 2: People are like, well, he doesn't he's a he's a

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Speaker 3: I always thought he was like square pegging a round hole.

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Speaker 3: That was a problem from day one because they had

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Speaker 3: those real wide splits in the Big twelve. He was

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Speaker 3: didn't take on a ton of double teams. But he

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Speaker 3: Super Bowl and he was.

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Speaker 2: In the draft. Now, in the way the Steelers now

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Speaker 2: play defense, it'd be more useful now, he'd be more

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Speaker 3: Sure as with Graham, Graham would Lebow would never doe Graham.

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Speaker 2: They get they want you're not asking Cam. And that

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Speaker 2: they looked at that when they had when they had

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Speaker 2: Heyward and to it, they said, this is silly. We're

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Speaker 2: not going to have these guys just take on double

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Speaker 2: up the field. Let's let them get up the field.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it used to be like, if those

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Speaker 3: we win the numbers game. Now it's like they can

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Speaker 3: do more than that. I mean they can. They might

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Speaker 3: as opposed to eating up three blocks between.

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Speaker 2: So they don't do that anymore. So I understand that. Well,

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Speaker 2: the arm length doesn't matter quite as much as it

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Speaker 3: At the tackle, I'm not as concerned with some other positions,

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Speaker 3: you know. I mean, I don't want stumpy arms, but

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Speaker 3: if you're super quick, you can sometimes get in on guys.

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Speaker 2: In arms short twelth percentile.

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Speaker 3: Right right, Like armer who is in today is thirty

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Speaker 2: And and you know, particularly, you know, we talk about

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Speaker 2: this with the offensive lineman a lot of your guards.

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Speaker 2: We're talking about all the guard or the offensive tackles

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Speaker 2: in this particular draft. Well, he's got thirty three inch arms.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's probably gonna have to play guard. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: that's what you're going to see it, Gard, You're not

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Speaker 2: going to see these tackles who have thirty four or more. No,

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Speaker 2: you're going to see a lot of guards with shorter

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Speaker 2: and if you can get reach them quickly, yep, you're

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Speaker 2: gonna win the battle.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 2: Now, if you if you have to line up on

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Speaker 2: the outside against the tackles, which the guys in a

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Speaker 2: three four defense do at times, you better have the

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Speaker 2: arm length.

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Speaker 3: That's part of why the length was needed for the

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Speaker 3: Smithson cables, et cetera, and why Cam was drafted.

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Speaker 2: And they still do some of it. They stay right,

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Speaker 2: It's not like you just thrown that out the window.

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Speaker 2: Again, we're not saying Mason Graham was a bad football player.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not even saying he's a worse prospect than

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Here's the other problem that I have with this

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Speaker 2: Sure, right, Matt, You've been in draft process rooms, so

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Speaker 3: Lots lots of them, lots of That's what it's about.

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Speaker 2: Did anybody ever jump up and said, you're stupid man,

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Speaker 3: Right, That's kind of what adults do.

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Speaker 2: That's kind of what adults do. If your immediate take

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, but and frankly, he could be the fifth

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Speaker 3: I think Donald was it eighth or ninth picking the draft.

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Speaker 3: But it's still the process, you know, Like he didn't

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, other teams much as him as well.

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Speaker 2: For every Aaron Donald, there's twenty five guys who didn't

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Speaker 3: Again, it's a hard way to live.

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Speaker 2: It's part of the analytics that go into this. They

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Speaker 3: Just looking at these things. There's tons of data here.

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Speaker 2: Data is all there, and you can say, well, this

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Speaker 3: It's a better bet. Yeah, mean, it's well, we can

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Speaker 3: I think a lot of draft picks are about minimizing risk,

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Speaker 3: you know what, as they should be. A big conversation

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Speaker 3: a bad pick. Well, it's like he kick his arms up,

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Speaker 3: he's not quick enough, he's got a bad dat whatever

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Speaker 2: These dudes, I mean we talk about with the offensive lineman.

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Speaker 3: No, it doesn't like any of those guys are going

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Speaker 2: But that's what you're going to be dealing with. Oh,

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Speaker 2: that's what you're playing again, that's who you're playing against. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: you know, if you if you're out on the edge

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Speaker 2: if you want to if you want to take Mason

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but that's not what the Steelers do.

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Speaker 3: No again, on Nickel, he'd be he'd be useful, and

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Speaker 3: there's a lot of those snaps, but it's still sort

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Speaker 2: It's it's probably a forty to fifty percent guy, and

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Speaker 3: How much value on game data do he provide?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 2: If he can't rush the passer at all? He's a

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Speaker 3: You know, we're going to be a little bigger and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. So any we don't hate Mason Graham, No, right,

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Speaker 2: he just doesn't necessarily fit the Steelers defense.

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Speaker 3: No, what are you gonna do with them?

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Speaker 2: through these here. Some of the guys that we like,

435
00:19:45,240 --> 00:19:46,879
Speaker 2: or some of the guys maybe that the Steelers have

436
00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:48,760
Speaker 2: already had him. See where they are, Yeah, where they're

437
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 2: where they're at. He is Travis Hunter number one overall.

438
00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,720
Speaker 3: I would too. I really think he's special. I would

439
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 3: have him first genty too. If you're not doing position value,

440
00:19:58,520 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 3: I think they're the best two foot.

441
00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:04,120
Speaker 2: He is Abduall Carter two most do and I get it. Yeah,

442
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,680
Speaker 2: do you think the foot injury that he has is gonna?

443
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:09,639
Speaker 3: I think he's a two. I mean an arm injury,

444
00:20:09,680 --> 00:20:12,719
Speaker 3: then he had a foot injury. No. One seems to

445
00:20:12,760 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 3: have hightweight speed stuff on him one hundred percent. He

446
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,879
Speaker 3: looks a little small to me as well. He's on

447
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,399
Speaker 3: the ground more than I would like. But he's a

448
00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,440
Speaker 3: great bender and all that stuff. And I got admit,

449
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:25,320
Speaker 3: I mean I'm a little biased. And it's the same

450
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:28,480
Speaker 3: with Walker from Georgia. Well, he can play off ball, linebacker,

451
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 3: he can play edge and yeah he's good at both.

452
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,199
Speaker 3: But how often I mean, like Micah Parsons did that

453
00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,360
Speaker 3: for a year and then they're like, you're an edge.

454
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:38,720
Speaker 3: What am I doing here? Right? Yeah, I mean it's

455
00:20:38,880 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 3: it's it's does it doesn't translate as much as people think.

456
00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, genty is three, okay, Will Johnson is four, and

457
00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:47,920
Speaker 2: it's almost the same conversation.

458
00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,480
Speaker 3: It'd be nice to get a time. But he's good

459
00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 3: at football.

460
00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we had we had Johnson down a

461
00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 2: little bit farther on our list, and somebody asked about

462
00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: that on the message board, and I'm like, I like, no,

463
00:20:57,560 --> 00:20:58,320
Speaker 2: how fast he is?

464
00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, but he does fit it. Plays a

465
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:04,000
Speaker 3: lot of cover three. Yeah, like plays a lot of man.

466
00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:07,720
Speaker 2: He's a good skis, he's a good football player. I

467
00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 2: would just like to have more information on him.

468
00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 3: And I think we said that when we built the

469
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:13,520
Speaker 3: list too, Like if he comes out of the Pro

470
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:15,520
Speaker 3: Day and runs four three eight, it's like, well maybe

471
00:21:15,520 --> 00:21:16,160
Speaker 3: we should have him.

472
00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:19,879
Speaker 2: Four four five, right, Okay, he's fast enough. Yeah, you

473
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,320
Speaker 2: know if he runs a four five five, now I'm like,

474
00:21:23,160 --> 00:21:23,520
Speaker 2: you know.

475
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,320
Speaker 3: Like I wonder could he go fifth to the Jags

476
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:28,359
Speaker 3: or sixth to the Raiders.

477
00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:29,560
Speaker 2: Kind of one of the wild cards.

478
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,680
Speaker 3: He's a real wild card right, Like, I bet Pete

479
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,879
Speaker 3: Carroll likes him. He has a lot of Sherman traits

480
00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 3: to him. You know it se him going pretty high.

481
00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:38,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it depends again, depends on your.

482
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 3: Scheme, especially if you just watch twenty twenty three type.

483
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 3: I mean, if he would have been able to come

484
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:45,640
Speaker 3: out after the national title, he had a very high pick.

485
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: Five is Will Campbell? Okay, Six is the aforementioned Mason Graham.

486
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,879
Speaker 2: And he's just say Graham is not with here. This

487
00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:58,159
Speaker 2: is what Kyle Krabs wrote. Graham is not without his detractors. However,

488
00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:59,639
Speaker 2: it feels like some of this is rooted in the

489
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:02,359
Speaker 2: hype critical nature of the final few weeks in the

490
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,560
Speaker 2: NFL draft cycle. No prospect is safe from overthinking in

491
00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 2: the final weeks. That sures to be true for Graham

492
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 2: as well. He's a sturdy player who's twenty twenty three

493
00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,840
Speaker 2: resume offered him to offer the best look at who

494
00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,879
Speaker 2: he can be for an NFL team. Fine, but he

495
00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 2: doesn't fit the Steeler scheme.

496
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 3: And there's I have to go back and watch him.

497
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,439
Speaker 3: I think it was against Texas. Ohio State didn't have

498
00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:28,400
Speaker 3: this problem, but there was a big time team they

499
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,000
Speaker 3: played and maybe even two that ran directly at him

500
00:22:32,119 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 3: and moved him a lot. You know.

501
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: Seven on his list as Malachi Starks.

502
00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 3: Ooh, that's rich.

503
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:44,400
Speaker 2: I really like I like Malachi Starks better than MORI

504
00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,880
Speaker 2: me too. He was my one safety because I think

505
00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:50,040
Speaker 2: he's just more instinctive.

506
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:51,960
Speaker 3: I think he takes better angles. I think he's a

507
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:56,520
Speaker 3: better player. Yeah, but I don't I don't see great

508
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,119
Speaker 3: explosion and great.

509
00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 2: Here's the other difference between the two as well. I

510
00:23:01,119 --> 00:23:05,439
Speaker 2: think Starks is a pure free safety. Emory is in

511
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: the box safety.

512
00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, I think they.

513
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,280
Speaker 2: Are, and I value I value the deep guys more

514
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,080
Speaker 2: so than I do the guys. There's plenty of guys

515
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:13,040
Speaker 2: that can play in the box.

516
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:13,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

517
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 3: I mean, I do think stars can place a lot

518
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: and do other things, but I don't want to be

519
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:18,760
Speaker 3: boxed only with them.

520
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Shamar Stewart is number eight on his list.

521
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 3: Wow, that's I'm rich. I'm not there on him.

522
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Josh Simmons is nine.

523
00:23:29,040 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 3: Okay, So he's kind of given all these guys the

524
00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 3: benefit of doubt that have questions, that have injuries, stuff

525
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:37,000
Speaker 3: injuries or you know, not forty time looming, which I

526
00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: guess is fair.

527
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:44,119
Speaker 2: Ten is Johnny barn Okay, not many questions with them.

528
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:50,880
Speaker 2: Eleven is armand Membo, get it. Twelve is Kenneth Grant

529
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 2: m Thirteen is Mike hal Williams out of Georgia. Fourteen

530
00:23:55,640 --> 00:23:57,640
Speaker 2: is Mike Green, the addresser at A Marshall.

531
00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 3: They're different too.

532
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,840
Speaker 2: Teen is Chavon Ravel, the cornerback out of East Carolina.

533
00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 3: Another one if you give him the benfle that out right,

534
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 3: I mean, the players are really good.

535
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:10,000
Speaker 2: Sixteen is Tyler Warren, the tight end out of Penn State.

536
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:10,679
Speaker 3: Okay.

537
00:24:11,520 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 2: Seventeen is cam Ward Wow.

538
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd admire that.

539
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:18,880
Speaker 2: Eighteen is Nick m Uori, the safety from South Carolina.

540
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 3: He's certainly intriguing.

541
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:23,399
Speaker 2: Nineteen Jylen Walker, linebacker.

542
00:24:22,880 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 3: From Georgia and co go well before that, Okay.

543
00:24:26,080 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: Twenty is g Hud Campbell, the linebacker from Bama.

544
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:29,480
Speaker 3: Okay.

545
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 2: Twenty one for him is a Mecca Igbuca wide receiver

546
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:35,360
Speaker 2: from Ohio State.

547
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 3: Pretty safe.

548
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: Twenty two is Nick Scourton, So he's not dinging the

549
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:41,440
Speaker 2: Texas A and M guys at all.

550
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:43,439
Speaker 3: No, No, I think, and I think you can make

551
00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,200
Speaker 3: the argument that the scheme didn't help their production at all.

552
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. Twenty three Josh connor Ley, the offensive tackle

553
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:50,560
Speaker 2: from Oregon.

554
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,440
Speaker 3: He moves really well. He's one of the guys I

555
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 3: think could get hired go a lot higher than people think.

556
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: I mean, he could use some time in the weight room,

557
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,840
Speaker 3: but what he has you can't teach, and tackles are

558
00:25:00,840 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 3: just so valuable.

559
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: Twenty four for him is Matthew Golden, wide receiver from Texas.

560
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,400
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's right now is the third receiver.

561
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the highest rated guy that the Steelers have

562
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:13,040
Speaker 2: well have brought in thus far.

563
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 3: Uh, andari they have? I thought he was in.

564
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 2: I guess he was in.

565
00:25:18,280 --> 00:25:20,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know he's on the list. Yeah he was.

566
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was in the last last weekend.

567
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 3: I be shocked if they take him though. At twenty one.

568
00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 2: Kelvin Banks Junior at twenty five, the offensive tackle from Texas.

569
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: Donovan az Areku, the edge rusher from Boston College at

570
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: twenty six, Tyler Booker, the guard from Bama at twenty seven,

571
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,639
Speaker 2: startling there, Derek Carmon, the defensive lineman from Oregon at

572
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:43,160
Speaker 2: twenty eight.

573
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 3: He hasn't had a No. One.

574
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:48,119
Speaker 2: Carson Swesssinger, linebacker from UCLA at twenty nine.

575
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 3: I need more buzz about him being early two.

576
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: Xavier Wats, the safety from Notre Dame at thirty.

577
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,280
Speaker 3: He's a good player too, He's not doesn't have great trades.

578
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 2: But right, I get three saves in the top thirty,

579
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 2: that's a little rich for me.

580
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean if he's not doing positional value,

581
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,439
Speaker 3: I mean he doesn't have Hampton yet. Yeah, I'd have

582
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: more running backs higher then at that point.

583
00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 2: Ted McMillan, the wide receiver from Arizona at thirty one.

584
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:18,240
Speaker 2: Thirty two for him is Trey Amos, the cornerback from Mississippi.

585
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:18,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, like.

586
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,600
Speaker 2: Shador Sanders is all the way down at thirty six.

587
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 3: It's fair. I'd probably have him lower.

588
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: Let's see here, Walter Nolan at thirty nine. Kind of interesting. Yeah,

589
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:38,040
Speaker 2: Let's see Jayden Higgins, who was in We're going to

590
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:39,920
Speaker 2: visit with the Steelers, is at forty two.

591
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 3: Okay.

592
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:49,080
Speaker 2: Alfred Collins, the defensive lineman from Texas at forty five

593
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:54,080
Speaker 2: sounds fair. Forty six is TAYLERK. Williams, the defensive lineman

594
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: at of Ohio State. Those guys a lot, Yeah, I.

595
00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:00,159
Speaker 3: Think they have untapped pass rush potential.

596
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:03,399
Speaker 2: And again, I think you can't lose track of the

597
00:27:04,040 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 2: thing of the fact that I think after those top

598
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:12,359
Speaker 2: ten to twelve picks, these next forty or fifty, maybe

599
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,520
Speaker 2: even sixty might have similar grades on them.

600
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,480
Speaker 3: That's why a list like this would be so hard.

601
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 3: It's really easier to do a mock because they'll be like, well,

602
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,959
Speaker 3: they need a nose or they need a tackle or whatever.

603
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:21,239
Speaker 3: You know.

604
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: He's got Gray Zabel, the offensive lineman from North Dakota State,

605
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 2: all the way down at fifty.

606
00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:29,040
Speaker 3: Pretty low, Yeah, pretty low. Wow.

607
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 2: Jack Betch, wide receiver from TCU at fifty three.

608
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 3: That's pretty kind to him.

609
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:40,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Darius Alexander, the defensive lineman from Toledo, is at

610
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: fifty four, followed by t J. Sanders, the defensive lineman

611
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 2: from South Carolina.

612
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 3: Love those d tackles in that neighborhood.

613
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 2: Quinn Shawn Judkins fifty seven, followed by Trevon Henderson at

614
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:52,160
Speaker 2: fifty eight.

615
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 3: Okay're right next to each other.

616
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

617
00:27:56,600 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 3: I've been liking Johnson more and more from Iowa Steeler fit.

618
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah.

619
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,000
Speaker 3: Just a zone back, real solid, hard to tackle.

620
00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,440
Speaker 2: He is Amari and Hampton at sixty two.

621
00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:09,560
Speaker 3: Wow, I'm not sure what the knock on him would

622
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 3: be Yeah, I don't know. I might say he's a superstar,

623
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,320
Speaker 3: but I mean there's not a lot of negatives.

624
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 2: It's gonna be really good, yeah, followed by Jalen Noel,

625
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: the wide receiver from Iowa State. Steelers also had him

626
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 2: him recently. Right, Yeah, Caleb Johnson at sixty nine, running

627
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: back from Iowa. So those guys are all grood.

628
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,639
Speaker 3: There's a chance he falls the third round. Yeah, I

629
00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:30,360
Speaker 3: don't know how fast he's running backs that go off

630
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:30,680
Speaker 3: the board.

631
00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:33,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. It could be a situation where everybody looks at

632
00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:34,680
Speaker 2: and says, well, maybe we'll get that guy.

633
00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,640
Speaker 3: At another round. Right, everyone just pushes it.

634
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 2: Back a zeri A Thomas who was in last week,

635
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,880
Speaker 2: the cornerback from Florida State at seventy.

636
00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,080
Speaker 3: I would gladly use the seventieth pick on him. Yeah.

637
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: Jamari Calbwell did the nose tackle from Oregon at seventy three.

638
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: Well, I think that's what he's deserved of.

639
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

640
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 3: I mean there's a lot of those types, but he's

641
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 3: a good player too.

642
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 2: Bay Shell touton one of the guys who was in

643
00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 2: today at seventy six.

644
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 3: Side note, I was thinking about this on the way here,

645
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: I was listening to some D line stuff I don't love,

646
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,480
Speaker 3: and it goes back to the Michigan thing that a

647
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 3: lot of these best D linemen are also playing with

648
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:12,280
Speaker 3: great D linemen, you know. I mean, like that's not uncommon.

649
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: This goes back to it's.

650
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: Gonna happen or with the money being thrown around to

651
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: college football.

652
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 3: I mean, Nolan has a couple guys on that line

653
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: that are getting drafted. Michigan dudes are right next to

654
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 3: each other, are going to get drafted. Oregon has two

655
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 3: interior players going to get drafted all high.

656
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,959
Speaker 2: That was one of my questions about Harmon initially. Yeah, like, okay,

657
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: he didn't do it. He was fine at Michigan State.

658
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 2: Right then he goes to Oregon and he well, he's

659
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: making plays all over play Yeah, because he's got dudes

660
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: all over the place. You can't double him.

661
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it has a lot to do with it. Now,

662
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 3: I don't know the schematics of what Michigan States asked

663
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:50,719
Speaker 3: them to do and all that stuff too, But some

664
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 3: guys are just kind of late bloomers too.

665
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mentioned Bayshell Tooton at seventy six

666
00:29:55,520 --> 00:30:02,360
Speaker 2: who was in today? Who else we got here? Charles Grant,

667
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 2: the offensive tackle from William and Mary who end up

668
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 2: drafting only he's in eighty four.

669
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean, I'm sure level he didn't do anything

670
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 3: to help himself in the post draft. Not his fault, right,

671
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,200
Speaker 3: If you'd went the Senior Bowl and been one of

672
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 3: the best tackles there, I could see him being like

673
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: fifty young lists.

674
00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 2: Dylan Samson, another of the running backs from Tennessee that

675
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: they brought in eighty six.

676
00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 3: He fits that explosive, big play speed guy mold not.

677
00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 2: Huge Jackson Dart at eighty eight, that's who he is.

678
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:32,160
Speaker 2: Eighty eight.

679
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, the more I watch these quarterbacks, the more I

680
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:38,080
Speaker 3: study them, the more I like Milroe, the less I

681
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 3: like Dart. I mean, they both need a year no

682
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:43,840
Speaker 3: matter what, but one's got a lot more ability than

683
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:44,160
Speaker 3: the other.

684
00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:48,520
Speaker 2: Did you see Milrow has accepted an invitation to the draft.

685
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 3: Someone tweeted me that does that mean that the NFL

686
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 3: thinks he's gonna be a first rounder.

687
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 2: That's how it.

688
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:55,200
Speaker 3: Used to be.

689
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,840
Speaker 2: It used to be. Well, this year, they don't.

690
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 3: Just sitting around like Armon Rod.

691
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 2: I heard over the weekend when we were down in

692
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 2: Florida this week that only twelve players had accepted an

693
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: invitation getting I think they're having a harder time getting

694
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 2: guys to come in, and so I think they're expanding

695
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: the list a little bit. It used to be if

696
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: you were a top thirty pick, yeah, yeah, you were

697
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: getting invited to the draft. Yeah, and that was coming

698
00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 2: from every team is saying yeahsight Now I think they've

699
00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 2: probably expanded that a little bit. If you have a

700
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:27,800
Speaker 2: chance to go in the second round.

701
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 3: Now they're reaching out.

702
00:31:29,040 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: Now, they're reaching out to you because a lot of

703
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 2: the guys don't want to. They wouldn't have their own thing,

704
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 2: They don't want to be part of.

705
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 3: The Oh no, I would much rather be at home

706
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:37,760
Speaker 3: with my friends and family.

707
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 2: Than you know, have the sitting in the green room and.

708
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: Putting a pretty face on them while no one picks

709
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 3: me for it. And that doesn't appeal to me at all. Yeah,

710
00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: I don't.

711
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,720
Speaker 2: I don't think Jalen Milroe is going in the first round.

712
00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 3: I don't either. I would understand it. I mean, if

713
00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:53,880
Speaker 3: it goes to the right team, the right scheme, with

714
00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 3: the right plan, which frankly, I think the Steelers are

715
00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 3: high on that list, but I can't use twenty one

716
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 3: on them. Yeah, but it also implies he's not gonna

717
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: be in a third round.

718
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 2: No, I don't think, right.

719
00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think you have to be a

720
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,600
Speaker 3: trade down situation to land him.

721
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 2: Tyler shuck at eighty nine, so Dart and shuck right

722
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: next to each other.

723
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 3: A couple of people have asked me, like Williamson, it

724
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: feels like you've cooled on Shuck. I don't think I have.

725
00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 3: But by the time he starts here, the age is

726
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:25,720
Speaker 3: a bit of a factor. I mean, he's gonna be

727
00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: like at least twenty eight by the time he actually

728
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,000
Speaker 3: gets in, and quarterback age doesn't bother me as a whole.

729
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 3: But he's not going to come in and start this year.

730
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 3: He's not even gonna be the number two this year. Yeah.

731
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 3: I like him a lot.

732
00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:38,360
Speaker 2: I serve a lot.

733
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 3: It's too interested.

734
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of traits there. But when we

735
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 2: were taking him before, A, the Steelers had a second

736
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 2: round pick, and B we were getting him in like

737
00:32:47,560 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 2: round three, right, right, right.

738
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: I mean I'd gladly take him in round three.

739
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 2: Still, but he's probably not going there.

740
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 3: When I was talking about him A ton is before

741
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 3: everyone was talking about him a ton you know what

742
00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:58,400
Speaker 3: I mean.

743
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: It's like I saw him as a senior bing like.

744
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,719
Speaker 3: Oh, I like that guy is good? Right?

745
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

746
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

747
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:08,280
Speaker 2: Uh. Jalen Royals, the wide receiver out of Utah State,

748
00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 2: is at ninety two.

749
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:10,479
Speaker 3: I like him.

750
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 2: Good football player he is.

751
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 3: It's a weird scheme though. He lines like right on

752
00:33:14,800 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 3: the sideline over and over and over like they already

753
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,440
Speaker 3: even motion him. But there's a lot of traits there.

754
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 2: He gets open and yeah, you know that's uh. Saveon

755
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 2: Williams a guy. Another guy they brought in. The wide

756
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: receiver at a TCU is at ninety five.

757
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 3: Okay.

758
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 2: Ty Felton, the wide receiver out of Maryland is at

759
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 2: ninety six. The steel guy, but he's not bad. Steelers

760
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 2: should know a lot about him.

761
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I would think I would think fifth

762
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 3: roundish fourth.

763
00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,959
Speaker 2: Noel Williams, the cornerback at a COW. We've drafted him

764
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 2: a few times. He would be very useful as a

765
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 2: big round pick. And he's he's a man cornerback. Yeah yeah,

766
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: get after his eyes. Moving on here, let's see Jack

767
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 2: Sawyer at one oh three.

768
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:55,160
Speaker 3: That's who he is.

769
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 2: I think that's a round pick.

770
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,200
Speaker 3: I think he's a rotational backup type guy.

771
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: Ud aal Milroe, the quarterback out of Alabama at one

772
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:03,040
Speaker 2: oh four.

773
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: I understand the world being very decisive on him, don't

774
00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 3: get me wrong, And his accuracy is an issue. He

775
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,840
Speaker 3: did complete sixty four percent of his passes, though. I

776
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 3: did a deep dive on him for a different podcast

777
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 3: and really dug into numbers, and it's like he's one

778
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,399
Speaker 3: of these guys. Lamar was the same way that when

779
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 3: he misses and it looks so bad.

780
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 2: All the running quarterbacks are like that.

781
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:27,879
Speaker 3: Richardson was that way too. But Richardson had a hard

782
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,479
Speaker 3: time completing pastes period. But when you when you miss

783
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 3: a wide open guy, you know, just a bit outside,

784
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,360
Speaker 3: I mean, it looks so much worse, but it counts

785
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 3: the same, right. He throws too much things on a

786
00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 3: line though.

787
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Ty Robinson one of my personal favorites,

788
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 2: hat of Nebraska, the defensive lineman at one o six.

789
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 3: I probably have him the top one hundred. If not,

790
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:50,800
Speaker 3: i'd probably have top eighty.

791
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,160
Speaker 2: Josh Farmer, who was in today at one oh seven,

792
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,120
Speaker 2: the defensive tackle out of Florida State.

793
00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 3: I don't. Do you think there's any chance he's there

794
00:34:58,200 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 3: in the fourth? I don't think I don't think so.

795
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I don't think the league will

796
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 3: agree with him being in the hundreds.

797
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,520
Speaker 2: Yeah. Damian Martinez, who we've drafted quite a bit at

798
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:09,359
Speaker 2: one eleven, the running back out of Miami, But he's

799
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 2: the opposite.

800
00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,840
Speaker 3: I mean, it's not that he can't break long runs,

801
00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 3: but he's closer to nausea than he is Henderson.

802
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, a faster version.

803
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, I love him. But of the backs

804
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 3: that they've talked to, he's not kind of like the others.

805
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: Zofh. Frasier, who we drafted in our mock draft last

806
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 2: week in the two hundreds is at one seventeen, the

807
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: cornerback out of UTSA.

808
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:33,880
Speaker 3: A lot of these mid rounds, a lot of traits, traits.

809
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:34,359
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah.

810
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: Uh. Cam Scatabo, running back out of Arizona State at

811
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 2: one nineteen.

812
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 3: Okay, I mean he's not gonna be a great tester,

813
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 3: and I might prefer Martinez.

814
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: Let's see here, who else we got? Will Howard at

815
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 2: one twenty eight, the quarterback out of Ohio State. So

816
00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 2: that's the number five. He's system asque to me. Now

817
00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: he's number six, he's number see Tim Milroe. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

818
00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 2: this doesn't have a big arm. Dylan Gabriel right behind

819
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 2: him at one thirty, quarterback out of Oregon.

820
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:08,520
Speaker 3: I bet he sticks. I just don't think whoever you started.

821
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:12,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Quincy Riley, cornerback out of Louisville one thirty one,

822
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 2: taking a hand.

823
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

824
00:36:14,200 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: Emery Jones, the offensive lineman out of LSU at one

825
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 2: thirty three.

826
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 3: He's another one that's tackled LSU. That's probably a guard,

827
00:36:21,120 --> 00:36:23,040
Speaker 3: but I'm not one hundred percent sold that he can't

828
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 3: be a tackle. Yeah, that's I ended up picking him

829
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: a lot.

830
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 2: Vernon Broughton, the defensive lineman at of Texas at one

831
00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 2: thirty six.

832
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 3: Where are you in on him?

833
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,879
Speaker 2: I think he's a nice fallback option if you don't

834
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: if you go nose tackle earlier. Yeah, yeah, you can

835
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 2: get a guy like that. Yeah, has again the traits.

836
00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the traits.

837
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 3: Most of the mid round guys are the noses, you know,

838
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,359
Speaker 3: but he's not.

839
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: It's the same like when they drafted Logan Lee last year. Yeah,

840
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 2: Logan Lee was a guy that I looked at and like, oh,

841
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 2: there's the traits. Yeah, that's what I'm looking for. It's

842
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,440
Speaker 2: the same thing with Robinson from Nebraska. Oh, there's the traits.

843
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: Again.

844
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:02,720
Speaker 2: I'm not making these these numbers up out of nowhere.

845
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 2: The traits they draft, they've got the tray. There's a

846
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 2: good chance of Steelers might take them.

847
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, they need to look this way to get on

848
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 3: the thunderbolt.

849
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,839
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wyatt Millam, the offensive lineman from West Virginia who

850
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 2: they brought in, is think he's one of the first visitors.

851
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

852
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 3: I know he didn't count against it because he's a

853
00:37:17,800 --> 00:37:18,319
Speaker 3: close guy.

854
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, if.

855
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,759
Speaker 3: He's in that neighbor one thirty nine, yeah, we never

856
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 3: draft him, but if he's in the third round or later,

857
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,240
Speaker 3: I would consider. I think he's a starter. He's probably

858
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: a guard. Yeah, he's in fact, he's going to be

859
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 3: a because again thirty two inch arms. Maybe he's McCary.

860
00:37:32,200 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 3: You know, he's just gonna play a bunch of positions

861
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:35,840
Speaker 3: and hang on that nast guard.

862
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,000
Speaker 2: Ideally he's nasty. DJ Giddens, the running back at of

863
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,399
Speaker 2: Case State at one forty one.

864
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 3: A lot of mixed opinions on him, but I mean

865
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,200
Speaker 3: that in a good way. Like there's people that love him.

866
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,399
Speaker 3: They think he's total untapped potential. Kind of get Yeah.

867
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: Cal McCord out of Syracuse, the quarterback one forty.

868
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,799
Speaker 3: Four, a little too much of a gunslinger, but yeah,

869
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 3: I like him.

870
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 2: JJ Pageese, the defensive tackle out of Ole miss is

871
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 2: at one four eight. He's been here, he's he's been

872
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: in for a visit. Let's see here, we got anybody

873
00:38:06,520 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: in this part of the list that. Uh, Kyle Williams

874
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 2: a wide receiver. I was just Washington State. There were

875
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 2: more receivers, I think too much earlier than that. Yeah,

876
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 2: I think he's a good player. Another Terrence Ferguson, a

877
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: tight end out of Oregon one sixty.

878
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 3: He might be tight end five or six.

879
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,719
Speaker 2: He was in consideration from Yeah, Yeah, I think he

880
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 2: was my five when it was all said and done.

881
00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:30,560
Speaker 3: A good tester too.

882
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: Uh. Deane Walker, the defensive tackle out of Kentucky, all

883
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 2: the way down at one sixty six, see him the same.

884
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 3: I think that's yeah. Like, I don't think he's a

885
00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 3: seventh rounder. I don't think he's mccolors, but I think

886
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 3: he's a lot like mccallor.

887
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 2: Colors was a sixth Rounder's that's here. Let's see here

888
00:38:50,080 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 2: running at a yaha. Black is another guy out of Iowa.

889
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:55,840
Speaker 3: Like I would take him over Walker.

890
00:38:56,520 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's at one seventy eight. Ty Hamilton at one

891
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,200
Speaker 2: seventy nine. The other defensive tackle out of Ohio State,

892
00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,839
Speaker 2: Kyle Mcgonagay, they're running back from Rutgers at one eighty

893
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 2: runs hard.

894
00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: Now if you get shut out early, I would mind

895
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 3: grabbing him.

896
00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:14,160
Speaker 2: C J. West, the nose tackle of Indiana all the

897
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:15,279
Speaker 2: way down at one eighty one.

898
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't agree with that.

899
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:17,640
Speaker 2: I don't agree with that one either.

900
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 3: I think he's a in consideration for me in the

901
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 3: third round.

902
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's got Quinn Ewers, the quarterback out of Texas

903
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:28,640
Speaker 2: at one eighty nine. I don't see it with yours

904
00:39:28,680 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 2: at all. Yeah, he's kind of small.

905
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I can't believe he was the

906
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 3: top recruit in the country.

907
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:36,799
Speaker 2: Cameron Jackson, the nose tackle out of Florida at one

908
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 2: ninety two.

909
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: We don't talk about him enough, but he could be

910
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:41,279
Speaker 3: a Steeler. Yeah, I mean it's fifth sixth round, you know.

911
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 2: Absolutely TOAJ Brooks at one ninety three, the running back

912
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 2: Texas tack too.

913
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he doesn't blow your doors off, but he'll stick.

914
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:53,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Uh. And his final player on the list, Jackson

915
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: Meeks the wide receiver out of Syracuse at two hundred.

916
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know much about it.

917
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, so interesting list. Again, didn't go with the straight

918
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 2: group think Yeah, yeah, some of this stuff. And no,

919
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 2: I know Kyle a little bit. He's unlocked on network

920
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 2: and yeah, definitely thinks for himself. Yeah. One of the

921
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:13,360
Speaker 2: guys another he had where's he at on here? The

922
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 2: tight end from Georgia Tech mos Hawsey was very high on,

923
00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 2: which really I get Yeah.

924
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 3: I get that too because just not knowing Kyle's personality,

925
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 3: he loves the the meatheads. I mean it really does.

926
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:27,360
Speaker 2: Walker.

927
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 3: He's just a nasty don't want to play against him,

928
00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:32,560
Speaker 3: probably won't play every snap, but I mean he's kind

929
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 3: of would be your Washington.

930
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're looking for something like that. But interesting list.

931
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 3: That's a good one.

932
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get to a break. He is the Matt Williamson.

933
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the Drive here

934
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I'll be back

935
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:47,439
Speaker 2: with more right after this.

936
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 1: As he's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

937
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

938
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: and Goal Steelers Nation Radio.

939
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 2: And we are back. I am Dale Lolly. He is

940
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt Steelers making a roster move

941
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 2: today a signing.

942
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I saw.

943
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 2: Spencer Spencer Anderson or not Spencer Calvin and Calvin.

944
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,200
Speaker 3: Get my, I've been doing that too. Yeah.

945
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Calvin Anderson, the offensive tackle, signing a two year deal.

946
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

947
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,120
Speaker 2: That is significant.

948
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: It is significant. I kind of brushed it off whenever

949
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 3: he got involved late last year and just kind of

950
00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 3: thought he's a journeyman. I don't know much about him.

951
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna dig in as much as I always

952
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 3: usually do. I think I need to dig in.

953
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: He's got like fifteen career starts.

954
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:40,399
Speaker 1: Yeah.

955
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's not just a throwaway guy. And when

956
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,359
Speaker 2: Dan Moore got hurt last year, yeah, Calvin Anderson went

957
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,319
Speaker 2: in and played left tackles. Yeah.

958
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 3: I mean he is a pure attacker that people get

959
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,319
Speaker 3: the Anderson's mixed up.

960
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: I mean we just did.

961
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 3: We just did.

962
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 2: I do it all the time.

963
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:59,479
Speaker 3: I mean, Calvin Anderson, now, which one's the interior guy? Again?

964
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,279
Speaker 3: I just got a mixed up Spencer Spencer is I mean,

965
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,280
Speaker 3: he could play tackle if he had to, but I think.

966
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 2: That's his experiment is on the interior where.

967
00:42:07,600 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 3: This guy I think will be your swing tackle that

968
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,760
Speaker 3: could get you out of a game in a pinch.

969
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, and has some starting experience, and it's it's what

970
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 2: we've been saying they need to sign. Yeah, yeah, all

971
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,360
Speaker 2: along here, like you need someone more.

972
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,120
Speaker 3: Of those, you know, and him and Dylan Cook. Now

973
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 3: are you tackle?

974
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 1: Yeah?

975
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. If you want to draft another cool. If

976
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 3: you don't, you can live with what you have.

977
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, So now you know you've got your You've got

978
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: Roderick Jones, Isaac Samalu, Zach Frazier, Mason McCormick, Troy for Flatano,

979
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:42,600
Speaker 2: Calvin Anderson, Dylan Cook, Spencer Anderson, Ryan McCollum.

980
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,239
Speaker 3: You're nine, You're nine. Yeah. I always say eleven is

981
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 3: my magic number for camp of real dudes. I'm not

982
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,240
Speaker 3: talking about undrafted free agents and guys that have no chance,

983
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 3: the guys that are going to be on an NFL

984
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: roster because eleven's too too many, you know, nine is

985
00:42:58,600 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 3: about the number.

986
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,839
Speaker 2: You've also got a guy in the CDs Smith who

987
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 2: played some for New England last year, so he at

988
00:43:08,360 --> 00:43:10,080
Speaker 2: least has NFL experience.

989
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean he'll be employed next year.

990
00:43:12,320 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know he could add more to that

991
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 2: and we'll see how it goes here as this continues.

992
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:21,320
Speaker 2: But again, a guy like Calvin Anderson was a signing

993
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,759
Speaker 2: after the fact last year.

994
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I didn't even remember when it happened,

995
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:25,920
Speaker 3: to be honest with us.

996
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 2: Early when they were having all those offensive line injuries

997
00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 2: early in the season, they signed him.

998
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:31,080
Speaker 3: I mean, he wasn't a training he was never in

999
00:43:31,120 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 3: La Trobe right, was right.

1000
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 2: But he was out there available and they said, Okay,

1001
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 2: we're going to bring this guy in. Obviously they liked

1002
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: him enough, and.

1003
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 3: There's some something to be said for knowing the system

1004
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 3: in year two and he moves pretty well for that

1005
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 3: zone scheme. And no, it's a nice safety blanket. I mean,

1006
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: you wouldn't be thrilled if he's a seventeen game star, no,

1007
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 3: of course, but he's an NFL player. I would have

1008
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 3: to look at the contract, but the fact that it's

1009
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: a two year deal to me to make the team, yeah,

1010
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 3: I mean he would have to fall in his face

1011
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,840
Speaker 3: and be really bad. Yeah, But he's gonna play a

1012
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 3: lot the preseason, and you know so, I think that

1013
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 3: often makes sense. The offensive line is starting to take

1014
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: a little more shape. Now again, you have nine guys

1015
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,719
Speaker 3: basically in ten if you include Smith with the NFL experience,

1016
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 3: that okay, if we had the line up tomorrow and

1017
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 3: play a game, I could live with with that nine

1018
00:44:17,800 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 3: or ten, depending on I'm in the same boat where

1019
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 3: I think everyone knows i'd like the draft Moro line.

1020
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:26,480
Speaker 3: But I don't think it's a weakness. It's just because

1021
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 3: it's a scarcity in the leak.

1022
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 2: If I throw it. Now, if I throw another six

1023
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:34,080
Speaker 2: round pick into this group, right, okay, yeah, right, right right?

1024
00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 3: Yeah. Frankly, if they don't draft one period and they

1025
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:39,719
Speaker 3: went to camp with those nine, I'd be a little uncomfortable,

1026
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 3: but I could understand it. I'd only be uncomfortable because

1027
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 3: them two injuries away from being real thin, right right

1028
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 3: or right? Yeah, And I'd like to groom one, you know,

1029
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:51,719
Speaker 3: like someone that has upside, maybe even more so as

1030
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: a guard, but you know, an Emery Jones or somebody

1031
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:56,879
Speaker 3: like that, maybe all the above. Yeah, it's a fifth

1032
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 3: round pick, I'd be pretty comfortable.

1033
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can live with that because I've got.

1034
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, guys, I know, and right, I mean it's kind

1035
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: of like I'm make some Rudolph signing. I mean it's

1036
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 3: some degree like they're not all going to be Jerry

1037
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 3: Rice signings. You know, they are useful players that fill

1038
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 3: out your roster absolutely. So that's the right in left yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1039
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 3: So that's the latest move that Steelers have made. And again,

1040
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 3: I you know, I was waiting kind of waiting for

1041
00:45:21,000 --> 00:45:21,720
Speaker 3: that one to happen.

1042
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1043
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 3: It's funny because I think we do a good job

1044
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:28,760
Speaker 3: of this that a lot of these moves late don't

1045
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 3: sound like much, but there's a logic behind it, you know,

1046
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 3: like why do you get Harrison from the Ravens, Well,

1047
00:45:33,440 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: he does three things for you. You know. It's like,

1048
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 3: and then I don't have to I don't have to

1049
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:39,560
Speaker 3: reach for a tackle in round one or I.

1050
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: Think if you start looking at this realistically, you've got

1051
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,880
Speaker 2: Cook and Anderson, who are both tackles.

1052
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: I don't if Cooks guaranteed to make the team, but

1053
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:49,800
Speaker 3: I like his chances.

1054
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he's as a tackle though, right, Yeah, You've

1055
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 2: got Spencer Anderson and Ryan McCollum. Right now, as your

1056
00:45:55,360 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 2: two Backuar Interior office of Lineman. Anderson's a guard, I

1057
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 2: don't know if McCollum, I think. I think he's center only.

1058
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,200
Speaker 2: So you probably do need at some point in this

1059
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 2: draft or again in free agency to address that part

1060
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:10,839
Speaker 2: of it, get yourself another guard.

1061
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 3: I agree. I agree, And it's really looking ahead because

1062
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 3: you don't have to plan two years ahead to find

1063
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 3: a starting left guard. But I'd be shocked to see

1064
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,919
Speaker 3: him all lose the opening day starter a year from now. Yeah,

1065
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 3: I mean he's probably gonna be on his way.

1066
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1067
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,319
Speaker 3: So, and I'm a thrilled with Anderson or one of

1068
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:28,360
Speaker 3: those guys being that starter. Yeah, you can find that

1069
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: you have a lot of time for that.

1070
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:33,000
Speaker 2: Absolutely, but yeah, adding another guard to that equation probably

1071
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:33,359
Speaker 2: makes some.

1072
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:33,920
Speaker 3: Sense, I think.

1073
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 2: So.

1074
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 3: I mean maybe it's a fifth sixth rounder with some upside,

1075
00:46:36,680 --> 00:46:38,480
Speaker 3: or one of the small school guys or something like

1076
00:46:38,520 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 3: that would add up.

1077
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. Anyways, let's get to a break. That's going to

1078
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: do it for our number one of the drive here

1079
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:46,000
Speaker 2: on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt and I will be

1080
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,200
Speaker 2: back with our number two right after this