WEBVTT - Utah Mom Charged With Kidnapping Her Child’s Alleged Bully 

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, March twenty fifth, and

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<v Speaker 1>a Utah mom has been charged with kidnapping. Who would

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<v Speaker 1>she take an actual kid, according to police, why because

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<v Speaker 1>she wanted that kid to apologize to her kid. And

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<v Speaker 1>with that, Welcome to this episode of Amy and GJ.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a case robes, at least according to police,

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<v Speaker 1>where the mom took the bullying of her child into

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<v Speaker 1>her own hands. Despite what the headline say, a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of parents are going to be able to relate in

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<v Speaker 1>some way, form or fashion of this story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So at first it's shocking, and you start to

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<v Speaker 2>hear what police are alleging, and you think, oh, my goodness,

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<v Speaker 2>how could this mom do that?

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<v Speaker 3>And then you hear her.

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<v Speaker 2>Side of things from her attorney, and then you start

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<v Speaker 2>to imagine, as a parent what you would do. And

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<v Speaker 2>many people listening might actually have experienced this if your

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<v Speaker 2>child is being bullied and you don't feel like anyone

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<v Speaker 2>is doing anything about it. And on top of it,

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<v Speaker 2>let's say your child has disabilities, because that is a

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<v Speaker 2>part of this case.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, So this case, we should say. The charges

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<v Speaker 1>only came this week for an incident that took place

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<v Speaker 1>September of last year. But this is a forty year

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<v Speaker 1>old woman, Shannon to how do you say.

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<v Speaker 3>Your land to Fuga? I believe Shannon too Fuga.

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<v Speaker 1>Shannon to Fuga, who police have arrested and charged with

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<v Speaker 1>kidnapping in one case of child abuse.

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<v Speaker 2>I believe these are both felonies, child kidnapping and aggravated

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<v Speaker 2>child abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, and this is all based on an incident

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<v Speaker 1>quite frankly that is wild to hear about roades. But

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<v Speaker 1>she took the kid, according to police, so she could

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<v Speaker 1>force them to apologize to her kid. But the way

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<v Speaker 1>this all played out, roads that make it sound like

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<v Speaker 1>she was she was tracking them down in the neighborhood,

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<v Speaker 1>which it's a whole caper.

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<v Speaker 2>It sounds like like, yes, like the beginning of a

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<v Speaker 2>child predator story. So they say in the allegations that

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<v Speaker 2>this mom drove around the neighborhood searching for her son's

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<v Speaker 2>alleged bully to confront him.

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<v Speaker 3>She eventually finds him.

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<v Speaker 2>He's riding his bike, as a lot of eleven year

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<v Speaker 2>olds do, okay, Yeah, so he's eleven years old, he's

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<v Speaker 2>riding his bike. According to police, she stopped her vehicle

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<v Speaker 2>right in front of his bike and then made him

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<v Speaker 2>get into her car, then drove him to her house

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<v Speaker 2>without his parents' knowledge, without his parents' permission. Again, he's

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<v Speaker 2>eleven years old. And then, yes, as you pointed out,

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<v Speaker 2>forced him to apologize to her son.

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<v Speaker 3>But she didn't stop there. According to police, she.

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<v Speaker 2>Then threatened to have her husband beat him up and

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<v Speaker 2>told him that he was lucky she did not run

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<v Speaker 2>over his bike.

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<v Speaker 3>This is great, she's angry.

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<v Speaker 1>According to police. This is all according to the police report. Okay, now,

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<v Speaker 1>the next part is actually she went back to being

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<v Speaker 1>a p took him home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she returned him home later that day, right there

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<v Speaker 2>to his parents.

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<v Speaker 3>So she didn't say good luck, bike home.

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<v Speaker 4>She drove him back to his home safely. Make sure

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<v Speaker 4>you get here, Okay, that part of the story. For

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<v Speaker 4>whatever reason, as a parent, and we've all done this

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<v Speaker 4>back and forth with kids and friends to make sure

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<v Speaker 4>the kid gets home. We kidnapped you, and now we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to make sure you get home safely. At that

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<v Speaker 4>part of it just sounds wild.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and so now, according to the complaint, the boy,

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<v Speaker 2>this eleven year old, has suffered significantly. They say he

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<v Speaker 2>suffered serious emotional distress and high anxiety. They say he

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<v Speaker 2>has significantly altered his daily routine because of this incident,

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<v Speaker 2>that this is something that now has had a lasting

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<v Speaker 2>emotional effect on him, that he has been basically traumatized

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<v Speaker 2>because of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see can I'll ask you if you saw

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<v Speaker 1>it somewhere in the reading. How long he was.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I don't know how many hours he was held captive.

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<v Speaker 1>A half hour could have been several hours depending on

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<v Speaker 1>what the time was. This could be a much more

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<v Speaker 1>horrible story. I mean, was he down in a basement

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<v Speaker 1>for three hours or something?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm trying to imagine the exchange. How do

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<v Speaker 2>you force a child? I guess he's eleven, so he

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<v Speaker 2>probably felt intimidated just by the fact that it was real.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, But I mean, and just.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know what came out of that, Like making

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<v Speaker 2>someone apologize obviously doesn't make them actually feel sorry for

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<v Speaker 2>what they did or even technically admit that they did

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<v Speaker 2>it because they're under duress. And I just wonder how

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<v Speaker 2>traumatizing that was for her own son. And now he

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<v Speaker 2>has to go back to school after all of this occurred.

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<v Speaker 2>I just there's a lot of problems with this. And yes,

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<v Speaker 2>the eleven year old boys. Emotional state is an issue,

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<v Speaker 2>and certainly her own child's emotional state. I wonder if

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<v Speaker 2>she regrets it or if she thinks, hell yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>do it again.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, you mentioned the emotional state of both kids,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what, we should probably focused as well

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<v Speaker 1>on the emotional state of the parent. There's a position

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<v Speaker 1>we have all been in as parents where your kid

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<v Speaker 1>is going through something at school and you're helpless to

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<v Speaker 1>get them out of it. And sometimes that's relationships with

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<v Speaker 1>other kids. They just got to work their way through it.

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<v Speaker 1>And sometimes it's bullying. It's a little more serious, and

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes you would even tell I'm sure you've told your kid, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>you got to stand up to your bully. Hey, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna go to school and defend you. You gotta work

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<v Speaker 1>through this. But there's another level where a parent gets

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<v Speaker 1>emotional and upset robes, and that is if they think

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<v Speaker 1>their child is going through something at school and the

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<v Speaker 1>school isn't doing anything about it. That will set a

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<v Speaker 1>parent off. I've brought this to your attention. My kid

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<v Speaker 1>is being bullied, my kid is being picked, whatever it

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<v Speaker 1>may be. And you get to the end of your

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<v Speaker 1>rope to where what can I do. I can't go

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<v Speaker 1>beat up a kid. I can't do this. What options

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<v Speaker 1>do you have other than you just want to stat

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<v Speaker 1>your kid and say, apologize to my child right now.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't kidnap the kid to do it. But we've

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<v Speaker 1>kind of all been in that position before where we've

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<v Speaker 1>forced our own kid to go and say you apologize

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<v Speaker 1>right now. It feels like that kind of thing. It's extreme,

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<v Speaker 1>obviously kidnapping, But Gez, I think a lot of parents

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<v Speaker 1>will look at that and go, yeah, I've been that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of frustrated and desperate. And we don't know which

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<v Speaker 1>of her kids, right, but she said one of the kids,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe more than one has disabilities correct comor she's trying

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<v Speaker 1>to protect her kid and not saying she's guilty of anything.

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<v Speaker 1>But a lot of parents can look at this and go, yeah, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think a lot of parents can absolutely relate to the

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<v Speaker 2>feeling and the emotion behind what she did, but maybe

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<v Speaker 2>stop short of understanding actually following through. We can have

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<v Speaker 2>the emotions, we can understand the emotions, it's the actions

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<v Speaker 2>that are the problem that you chose to take.

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<v Speaker 3>Now, all napping sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, because it is actually if that's what happened. Now

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned it was interesting what you said because it

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<v Speaker 2>actually sounds a lot like what we're hearing from Shannon's attorney. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>by the way, she was reportedly a crossing guard for

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<v Speaker 2>Provo City at the time of the incident, to a

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<v Speaker 2>point where this investigation had to actually go to a

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<v Speaker 2>different police jurisdiction. It couldn't go to the Provo City

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<v Speaker 2>department because she worked for them. But the latest statement

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<v Speaker 2>of there is Shannon is no longer an employee of Provocity,

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<v Speaker 2>so it looks like she lost her.

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<v Speaker 3>Position crossing guard.

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<v Speaker 2>As a crossing guard, yes, I thought that was interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>She is a cross she knows these kids. She knows

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<v Speaker 2>these kids. She's a crossing guard for Provo City. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the statement from her attorney. We respectfully deny the

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<v Speaker 2>allegations made and the charging document filed this week. We

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<v Speaker 2>believe these allegations stem from a troubled child and are

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<v Speaker 2>not accurate. We look forward to presenting evidence to the

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<v Speaker 2>state regarding repeat challenges of our client's children have faced

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<v Speaker 2>at school, including the elementary school administration's ongoing efforts to

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<v Speaker 2>address bullying and maintain a safe environment. It is unfortunate

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<v Speaker 2>that we find ourselves in a position where we must

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<v Speaker 2>defend the safety of.

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<v Speaker 3>Our our children and well being.

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<v Speaker 2>The filing of these allegations are a symptom of our

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<v Speaker 2>societies failings and an erosion of traditional family values where

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<v Speaker 2>children were once held accountable by their own parents. We

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<v Speaker 2>remain committed to working through the legal process and will

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<v Speaker 2>continue to seek a just resolution based on facts and evidence.

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<v Speaker 1>How'd you read that?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, Look, it's the defense of saying, hey, and I

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<v Speaker 2>do think there is a point that, yes, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>see parents holding their children accountable. We defend and deflect

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<v Speaker 2>and say and point fingers. There was a time when, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>if you got in trouble at school, you got in

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<v Speaker 2>more trouble when you got home. Now, when you get

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<v Speaker 2>in trouble at school, parents call the school and say,

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<v Speaker 2>my kid said he didn't do it. He's not staying

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<v Speaker 2>at attention. However, that all may be true, it wouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>defend what happened. But she's saying it didn't happen the

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<v Speaker 2>way this kid.

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<v Speaker 3>Said it did.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm the statement raids as Yep, she did it, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to justify it. It seems like they

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<v Speaker 1>are setting this thing up where they're pointing the fingers

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<v Speaker 1>that you all drove her to this by not taking

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<v Speaker 1>care of her children, by not making sure they were safe.

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<v Speaker 1>We look forward to presenting evidence regarding repeated challenges. Who

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<v Speaker 1>cares that's not evidence. Has nothing to do with whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not she kidnapped a kid. You're presenting a different

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<v Speaker 1>case that got nothing to do with nothing. Now it

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<v Speaker 1>could have an impact on a potential sentencing, maybe jury

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<v Speaker 1>going yeah O or poor mom kind of a thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But it sounds like they are setting up a situation

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<v Speaker 1>here where she is the victim and was driven to

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<v Speaker 1>this by you all's lack of care of her kids.

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<v Speaker 3>Very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, when we come back, we're gonna tell you

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<v Speaker 2>what a local news reporter said Shannon told her about

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<v Speaker 2>these incidents that were referenced basically by her attorney, and

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<v Speaker 2>what she is facing if she is found guilty of

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<v Speaker 2>these charges. Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy

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<v Speaker 2>and TJ. We are talking about a wild story out

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<v Speaker 2>of Utah.

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<v Speaker 3>We've had quite a few of them lately. I must

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<v Speaker 3>say we have been covering Utah.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like NonStop between what's going on with Taylor,

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<v Speaker 2>Frankie Paul and then of course, you had the au

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<v Speaker 2>Pair affair murder trial.

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<v Speaker 3>No sorry, I'm getting okay, that's a funny.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Corey Richins, the Corey Richins Grief author poisoned husband

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<v Speaker 2>murder trial. And now we've got a Utah mom who

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<v Speaker 2>has been charged with kidnapping and aggravated child abuse.

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<v Speaker 3>Police say that.

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<v Speaker 2>She went out and snatched her son's alleged bully, forced

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<v Speaker 2>him to apologize, threatened him with violence, then returned him

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<v Speaker 2>home safely.

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<v Speaker 3>But she is charged.

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<v Speaker 2>And she told a local news reporter off camera, and

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<v Speaker 2>they put this out there on their website, that this

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<v Speaker 2>boy that she targeted, this eleven year old boy, had

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<v Speaker 2>a history of bullying her children, not just her son,

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<v Speaker 2>and she said some of them have disabilities, and when

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<v Speaker 2>she took this to the school, little to nothing was done.

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<v Speaker 2>So she expressed her frustration that this has been an

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<v Speaker 2>ongoing situation, that it's not just one of her children involved,

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<v Speaker 2>but multiple of her children involved, and that some of

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<v Speaker 2>them have disabilities, and that this eleven year old has

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<v Speaker 2>been a constant source of pain for her children.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know what obviously, this isn't the way. These

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<v Speaker 1>are allegations. She's innocent, until proven guilty. No one would

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<v Speaker 1>advocate that this was the way to handle it. Nobody

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<v Speaker 1>will ever say, yes, I see what she was doing. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>damn right, nobody's going to do that. Even if we

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<v Speaker 1>can all relate to how she was feeling, nobody's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be on herself when it comes to this particular action. Robes.

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<v Speaker 1>The first question I had as you were going through

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<v Speaker 1>that was, I didn't think about this. She ever to

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<v Speaker 1>speak to the other kid's parents.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought about that, Yeah, the first move. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>you'd think that that would be the first move. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>we don't know, we haven't heard if that's true or not,

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<v Speaker 2>but that would be an obvious reaction once you go

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<v Speaker 2>to the school and you can't get resolution. I'd actually

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<v Speaker 2>go to the parent first and then the school. But

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<v Speaker 2>it seems like you would try to involve them.

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<v Speaker 1>She seemed to know enough about the kids, she knew

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<v Speaker 1>what neighborhood to drive around in looking for.

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<v Speaker 2>Them, and the attorney did reference basically that parents aren't

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<v Speaker 2>doing what they should, aren't holding their children accountable. So

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<v Speaker 2>it almost seems as though in that statement it was

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<v Speaker 2>implied that she did try to get the parents involved

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<v Speaker 2>and that they chose to do nothing about it.

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<v Speaker 1>So she planned a premeditated crime, according to them, driving

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<v Speaker 1>around the neighborhood looking for a kid.

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<v Speaker 3>She's a school crossing guard. She knows that's probably where.

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<v Speaker 3>How she knows where?

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<v Speaker 2>They all like, she knows everybody, right, Yeah, she knows

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<v Speaker 2>these kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, and to your again. We grew up

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<v Speaker 1>in a different place. We grew up in a different time,

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<v Speaker 1>right in the south Midwest where we did our growing

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<v Speaker 1>up to this day, Robes, I can it's the street

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<v Speaker 1>over from Church Street where I grew up, another family lived,

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<v Speaker 1>and this woman gave me a whooping outside of my parents.

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<v Speaker 1>My parents are still at work.

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<v Speaker 3>The idea of that now, she.

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<v Speaker 1>Gave me a whooping, and I couldn't wait for my

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<v Speaker 1>parents to get home so I could tell on her.

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<v Speaker 1>They embraced her. They're like, what did he do? That was?

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<v Speaker 4>Wow?

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<v Speaker 1>Not just your parents holding you accountable, the neighborhood parents

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<v Speaker 1>that aren't even yours. I remember that whoop into this day.

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<v Speaker 3>What'd you do? Is what I want to know.

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<v Speaker 1>There was almost always something convenient, but that idea Robes

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<v Speaker 1>to look at this now. No, I don't know if

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<v Speaker 1>she didn't kidnap me at.

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<v Speaker 3>The time, But I bet you smarted off to her.

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<v Speaker 1>No, I was very polite. I was respectful kid. I

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<v Speaker 1>absolutely was. What now I would challenge you. I was

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<v Speaker 1>an annoying kid, but I wasn't a smart Alex. But

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<v Speaker 1>this type of thing now to where she feels like

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<v Speaker 1>no one, the school and the parents aren't holding this

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<v Speaker 1>kid accountable. So what can I do. I'll hold them accountable.

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<v Speaker 2>She had to know that that was going to come

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<v Speaker 2>with consequences. And speaking of that, there is a hearing

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<v Speaker 2>scheduled for April thirtieth. All eyes will be on that

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<v Speaker 2>Utah courtroom. But she is free until then. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>as if she's behind the bar, behind bars, but behind

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<v Speaker 2>the bar, we go out too much behind bars.

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<v Speaker 4>She is.

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<v Speaker 2>This was interesting. So two counts of second degree felonies.

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<v Speaker 2>I read a story where the prosecutors had the option

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<v Speaker 2>to actually bring first degree felonies because the charges most

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<v Speaker 2>often come with a first degree count. But they just

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<v Speaker 2>decided given the circumstances, and that might speak to the

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<v Speaker 2>bullying that her children f they might have decided at

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<v Speaker 2>that point just considering all the information they have to

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<v Speaker 2>make it a little bit less. They said that they

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<v Speaker 2>felt like that was more in line with what justice

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<v Speaker 2>would require.

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<v Speaker 3>So I thought that was cool.

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<v Speaker 2>So two counts of second degree felonies, but each one

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<v Speaker 2>carries a sentence of one to fifteen years in prison,

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<v Speaker 2>a ten thousand dollars fine, or both.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is serious. And if she.

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<v Speaker 2>Were to be found guilty of secondary felonies, they're still felonies,

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<v Speaker 2>and that comes with a whole lot of restrictions, and

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<v Speaker 2>that that's a lifelong sentence in a lot of ways.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's no matter what her what her kids

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<v Speaker 1>went through, no matter how upset she was. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>we have to take it on its face. If these

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<v Speaker 1>allegations are true. You can't snatch a kid off the street,

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<v Speaker 1>no come to your house.

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<v Speaker 2>There have to be consequences, the absolutely and well, we will,

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<v Speaker 2>of course stay on top of this story. But we

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<v Speaker 2>always appreciate you listening to us. Everyone on Amy Robock

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<v Speaker 2>alongside TJ.

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes.

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<v Speaker 3>We will talk walked to you soon.