1 00:00:02,160 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Wednesday, March twenty fifth, and 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:11,399 Speaker 1: a Utah mom has been charged with kidnapping. Who would 3 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:17,240 Speaker 1: she take an actual kid, according to police, why because 4 00:00:17,280 --> 00:00:21,319 Speaker 1: she wanted that kid to apologize to her kid. And 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:23,319 Speaker 1: with that, Welcome to this episode of Amy and GJ. 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,799 Speaker 1: This is a case robes, at least according to police, 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:31,480 Speaker 1: where the mom took the bullying of her child into 8 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:35,080 Speaker 1: her own hands. Despite what the headline say, a lot 9 00:00:35,159 --> 00:00:38,599 Speaker 1: of parents are going to be able to relate in 10 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:40,000 Speaker 1: some way, form or fashion of this story. 11 00:00:40,080 --> 00:00:42,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. So at first it's shocking, and you start to 12 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:45,480 Speaker 2: hear what police are alleging, and you think, oh, my goodness, 13 00:00:45,880 --> 00:00:47,479 Speaker 2: how could this mom do that? 14 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:49,560 Speaker 3: And then you hear her. 15 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,680 Speaker 2: Side of things from her attorney, and then you start 16 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 2: to imagine, as a parent what you would do. And 17 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: many people listening might actually have experienced this if your 18 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: child is being bullied and you don't feel like anyone 19 00:01:03,280 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 2: is doing anything about it. And on top of it, 20 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 2: let's say your child has disabilities, because that is a 21 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 2: part of this case. 22 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: All right, So this case, we should say. The charges 23 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: only came this week for an incident that took place 24 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: September of last year. But this is a forty year 25 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:21,959 Speaker 1: old woman, Shannon to how do you say. 26 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,240 Speaker 3: Your land to Fuga? I believe Shannon too Fuga. 27 00:01:23,959 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: Shannon to Fuga, who police have arrested and charged with 28 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 1: kidnapping in one case of child abuse. 29 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:33,960 Speaker 2: I believe these are both felonies, child kidnapping and aggravated 30 00:01:34,040 --> 00:01:34,679 Speaker 2: child abuse. 31 00:01:34,840 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: All right, and this is all based on an incident 32 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 1: quite frankly that is wild to hear about roades. But 33 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:44,679 Speaker 1: she took the kid, according to police, so she could 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,960 Speaker 1: force them to apologize to her kid. But the way 35 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: this all played out, roads that make it sound like 36 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,440 Speaker 1: she was she was tracking them down in the neighborhood, 37 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:54,680 Speaker 1: which it's a whole caper. 38 00:01:54,920 --> 00:01:57,640 Speaker 2: It sounds like like, yes, like the beginning of a 39 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,880 Speaker 2: child predator story. So they say in the allegations that 40 00:02:02,960 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: this mom drove around the neighborhood searching for her son's 41 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:09,119 Speaker 2: alleged bully to confront him. 42 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:10,960 Speaker 3: She eventually finds him. 43 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 2: He's riding his bike, as a lot of eleven year 44 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,919 Speaker 2: olds do, okay, Yeah, so he's eleven years old, he's 45 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 2: riding his bike. According to police, she stopped her vehicle 46 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:22,560 Speaker 2: right in front of his bike and then made him 47 00:02:22,680 --> 00:02:26,520 Speaker 2: get into her car, then drove him to her house 48 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:30,720 Speaker 2: without his parents' knowledge, without his parents' permission. Again, he's 49 00:02:30,800 --> 00:02:34,959 Speaker 2: eleven years old. And then, yes, as you pointed out, 50 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: forced him to apologize to her son. 51 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: But she didn't stop there. According to police, she. 52 00:02:42,400 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 2: Then threatened to have her husband beat him up and 53 00:02:46,200 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 2: told him that he was lucky she did not run 54 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:49,640 Speaker 2: over his bike. 55 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:52,160 Speaker 3: This is great, she's angry. 56 00:02:52,280 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 1: According to police. This is all according to the police report. Okay, now, 57 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: the next part is actually she went back to being 58 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: a p took him home. 59 00:03:01,760 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, she returned him home later that day, right there 60 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 2: to his parents. 61 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 3: So she didn't say good luck, bike home. 62 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 4: She drove him back to his home safely. Make sure 63 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 4: you get here, Okay, that part of the story. For 64 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,000 Speaker 4: whatever reason, as a parent, and we've all done this 65 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 4: back and forth with kids and friends to make sure 66 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:20,360 Speaker 4: the kid gets home. We kidnapped you, and now we're 67 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 4: going to make sure you get home safely. At that 68 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,280 Speaker 4: part of it just sounds wild. 69 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 2: Yes, and so now, according to the complaint, the boy, 70 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: this eleven year old, has suffered significantly. They say he 71 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 2: suffered serious emotional distress and high anxiety. They say he 72 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 2: has significantly altered his daily routine because of this incident, 73 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 2: that this is something that now has had a lasting 74 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 2: emotional effect on him, that he has been basically traumatized 75 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 2: because of this. 76 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,160 Speaker 1: I didn't see can I'll ask you if you saw 77 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: it somewhere in the reading. How long he was. 78 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 3: No, I don't know how many hours he was held captive. 79 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: A half hour could have been several hours depending on 80 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: what the time was. This could be a much more 81 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 1: horrible story. I mean, was he down in a basement 82 00:04:06,320 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: for three hours or something? 83 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:10,440 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm trying to imagine the exchange. How do 84 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:12,680 Speaker 2: you force a child? I guess he's eleven, so he 85 00:04:12,760 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 2: probably felt intimidated just by the fact that it was real. 86 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 3: Yes, But I mean, and just. 87 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 2: I don't know what came out of that, Like making 88 00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:26,159 Speaker 2: someone apologize obviously doesn't make them actually feel sorry for 89 00:04:26,200 --> 00:04:28,720 Speaker 2: what they did or even technically admit that they did 90 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,160 Speaker 2: it because they're under duress. And I just wonder how 91 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:33,440 Speaker 2: traumatizing that was for her own son. And now he 92 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 2: has to go back to school after all of this occurred. 93 00:04:36,520 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 2: I just there's a lot of problems with this. And yes, 94 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:41,920 Speaker 2: the eleven year old boys. Emotional state is an issue, 95 00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: and certainly her own child's emotional state. I wonder if 96 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 2: she regrets it or if she thinks, hell yeah, I 97 00:04:47,440 --> 00:04:47,920 Speaker 2: do it again. 98 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: Well, you know, you mentioned the emotional state of both kids, 99 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,160 Speaker 1: and you know what, we should probably focused as well 100 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,080 Speaker 1: on the emotional state of the parent. There's a position 101 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:59,520 Speaker 1: we have all been in as parents where your kid 102 00:04:59,560 --> 00:05:02,520 Speaker 1: is going through something at school and you're helpless to 103 00:05:03,240 --> 00:05:05,719 Speaker 1: get them out of it. And sometimes that's relationships with 104 00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: other kids. They just got to work their way through it. 105 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 1: And sometimes it's bullying. It's a little more serious, and 106 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:13,800 Speaker 1: sometimes you would even tell I'm sure you've told your kid, hey, 107 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,039 Speaker 1: you got to stand up to your bully. Hey, I'm 108 00:05:16,080 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: not gonna go to school and defend you. You gotta work 109 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,760 Speaker 1: through this. But there's another level where a parent gets 110 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,600 Speaker 1: emotional and upset robes, and that is if they think 111 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:28,479 Speaker 1: their child is going through something at school and the 112 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: school isn't doing anything about it. That will set a 113 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: parent off. I've brought this to your attention. My kid 114 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:38,520 Speaker 1: is being bullied, my kid is being picked, whatever it 115 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 1: may be. And you get to the end of your 116 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,159 Speaker 1: rope to where what can I do. I can't go 117 00:05:44,240 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: beat up a kid. I can't do this. What options 118 00:05:47,320 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: do you have other than you just want to stat 119 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:51,479 Speaker 1: your kid and say, apologize to my child right now. 120 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 1: You don't kidnap the kid to do it. But we've 121 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 1: kind of all been in that position before where we've 122 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: forced our own kid to go and say you apologize 123 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: right now. It feels like that kind of thing. It's extreme, 124 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 1: obviously kidnapping, But Gez, I think a lot of parents 125 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,359 Speaker 1: will look at that and go, yeah, I've been that 126 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: kind of frustrated and desperate. And we don't know which 127 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: of her kids, right, but she said one of the kids, 128 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: maybe more than one has disabilities correct comor she's trying 129 00:06:20,200 --> 00:06:23,640 Speaker 1: to protect her kid and not saying she's guilty of anything. 130 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 1: But a lot of parents can look at this and go, yeah, I. 131 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 2: Think a lot of parents can absolutely relate to the 132 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 2: feeling and the emotion behind what she did, but maybe 133 00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:36,600 Speaker 2: stop short of understanding actually following through. We can have 134 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,719 Speaker 2: the emotions, we can understand the emotions, it's the actions 135 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 2: that are the problem that you chose to take. 136 00:06:41,760 --> 00:06:45,480 Speaker 3: Now, all napping sounds. 137 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 2: Yes, because it is actually if that's what happened. Now 138 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 2: you mentioned it was interesting what you said because it 139 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: actually sounds a lot like what we're hearing from Shannon's attorney. Now, 140 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 2: by the way, she was reportedly a crossing guard for 141 00:06:57,880 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 2: Provo City at the time of the incident, to a 142 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:03,480 Speaker 2: point where this investigation had to actually go to a 143 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 2: different police jurisdiction. It couldn't go to the Provo City 144 00:07:06,480 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 2: department because she worked for them. But the latest statement 145 00:07:10,880 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: of there is Shannon is no longer an employee of Provocity, 146 00:07:14,680 --> 00:07:15,920 Speaker 2: so it looks like she lost her. 147 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 3: Position crossing guard. 148 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 2: As a crossing guard, yes, I thought that was interesting. 149 00:07:21,160 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 2: She is a cross she knows these kids. She knows 150 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:28,239 Speaker 2: these kids. She's a crossing guard for Provo City. Okay, 151 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 2: here's the statement from her attorney. We respectfully deny the 152 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: allegations made and the charging document filed this week. We 153 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 2: believe these allegations stem from a troubled child and are 154 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: not accurate. We look forward to presenting evidence to the 155 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:47,200 Speaker 2: state regarding repeat challenges of our client's children have faced 156 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 2: at school, including the elementary school administration's ongoing efforts to 157 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 2: address bullying and maintain a safe environment. It is unfortunate 158 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,280 Speaker 2: that we find ourselves in a position where we must 159 00:07:58,320 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 2: defend the safety of. 160 00:07:59,840 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 3: Our our children and well being. 161 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 2: The filing of these allegations are a symptom of our 162 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: societies failings and an erosion of traditional family values where 163 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: children were once held accountable by their own parents. We 164 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 2: remain committed to working through the legal process and will 165 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 2: continue to seek a just resolution based on facts and evidence. 166 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: How'd you read that? 167 00:08:26,040 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 2: Uh, Look, it's the defense of saying, hey, and I 168 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 2: do think there is a point that, yes, we don't 169 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 2: see parents holding their children accountable. We defend and deflect 170 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 2: and say and point fingers. There was a time when, yes, 171 00:08:40,080 --> 00:08:41,920 Speaker 2: if you got in trouble at school, you got in 172 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,000 Speaker 2: more trouble when you got home. Now, when you get 173 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 2: in trouble at school, parents call the school and say, 174 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 2: my kid said he didn't do it. He's not staying 175 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 2: at attention. However, that all may be true, it wouldn't 176 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:54,520 Speaker 2: defend what happened. But she's saying it didn't happen the 177 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 2: way this kid. 178 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 3: Said it did. 179 00:08:56,040 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: I'm the statement raids as Yep, she did it, and 180 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 1: we are going to justify it. It seems like they 181 00:09:03,080 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 1: are setting this thing up where they're pointing the fingers 182 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,079 Speaker 1: that you all drove her to this by not taking 183 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,319 Speaker 1: care of her children, by not making sure they were safe. 184 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: We look forward to presenting evidence regarding repeated challenges. Who 185 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 1: cares that's not evidence. Has nothing to do with whether 186 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: or not she kidnapped a kid. You're presenting a different 187 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,640 Speaker 1: case that got nothing to do with nothing. Now it 188 00:09:24,679 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: could have an impact on a potential sentencing, maybe jury 189 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,040 Speaker 1: going yeah O or poor mom kind of a thing. 190 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,640 Speaker 1: But it sounds like they are setting up a situation 191 00:09:34,760 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: here where she is the victim and was driven to 192 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:41,760 Speaker 1: this by you all's lack of care of her kids. 193 00:09:41,880 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 3: Very interesting. 194 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 2: All right, when we come back, we're gonna tell you 195 00:09:44,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 2: what a local news reporter said Shannon told her about 196 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:54,720 Speaker 2: these incidents that were referenced basically by her attorney, and 197 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,719 Speaker 2: what she is facing if she is found guilty of 198 00:09:58,760 --> 00:10:10,840 Speaker 2: these charges. Welcome back everyone to this episode of Amy 199 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: and TJ. We are talking about a wild story out 200 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 2: of Utah. 201 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 3: We've had quite a few of them lately. I must 202 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 3: say we have been covering Utah. 203 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:22,360 Speaker 2: I feel like NonStop between what's going on with Taylor, 204 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:25,160 Speaker 2: Frankie Paul and then of course, you had the au 205 00:10:25,240 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: Pair affair murder trial. 206 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 3: No sorry, I'm getting okay, that's a funny. 207 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: It's Corey Richins, the Corey Richins Grief author poisoned husband 208 00:10:34,160 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 2: murder trial. And now we've got a Utah mom who 209 00:10:36,600 --> 00:10:40,840 Speaker 2: has been charged with kidnapping and aggravated child abuse. 210 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:42,400 Speaker 3: Police say that. 211 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 2: She went out and snatched her son's alleged bully, forced 212 00:10:46,960 --> 00:10:50,800 Speaker 2: him to apologize, threatened him with violence, then returned him 213 00:10:50,840 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: home safely. 214 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: But she is charged. 215 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 2: And she told a local news reporter off camera, and 216 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: they put this out there on their website, that this 217 00:11:02,120 --> 00:11:04,760 Speaker 2: boy that she targeted, this eleven year old boy, had 218 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: a history of bullying her children, not just her son, 219 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: and she said some of them have disabilities, and when 220 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: she took this to the school, little to nothing was done. 221 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 2: So she expressed her frustration that this has been an 222 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: ongoing situation, that it's not just one of her children involved, 223 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: but multiple of her children involved, and that some of 224 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: them have disabilities, and that this eleven year old has 225 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:32,040 Speaker 2: been a constant source of pain for her children. 226 00:11:32,559 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 1: I don't know what obviously, this isn't the way. These 227 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 1: are allegations. She's innocent, until proven guilty. No one would 228 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 1: advocate that this was the way to handle it. Nobody 229 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: will ever say, yes, I see what she was doing. Yes, 230 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 1: damn right, nobody's going to do that. Even if we 231 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,400 Speaker 1: can all relate to how she was feeling, nobody's going 232 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:55,560 Speaker 1: to be on herself when it comes to this particular action. Robes. 233 00:11:56,040 --> 00:11:57,600 Speaker 1: The first question I had as you were going through 234 00:11:57,600 --> 00:12:00,280 Speaker 1: that was, I didn't think about this. She ever to 235 00:12:00,320 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 1: speak to the other kid's parents. 236 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 2: I just thought about that, Yeah, the first move. Yes, 237 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 2: you'd think that that would be the first move. And look, 238 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,400 Speaker 2: we don't know, we haven't heard if that's true or not, 239 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: but that would be an obvious reaction once you go 240 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: to the school and you can't get resolution. I'd actually 241 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 2: go to the parent first and then the school. But 242 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,080 Speaker 2: it seems like you would try to involve them. 243 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,560 Speaker 1: She seemed to know enough about the kids, she knew 244 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: what neighborhood to drive around in looking for. 245 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:29,720 Speaker 2: Them, and the attorney did reference basically that parents aren't 246 00:12:29,840 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 2: doing what they should, aren't holding their children accountable. So 247 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,240 Speaker 2: it almost seems as though in that statement it was 248 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,400 Speaker 2: implied that she did try to get the parents involved 249 00:12:38,360 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 2: and that they chose to do nothing about it. 250 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: So she planned a premeditated crime, according to them, driving 251 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 1: around the neighborhood looking for a kid. 252 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,439 Speaker 3: She's a school crossing guard. She knows that's probably where. 253 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 3: How she knows where? 254 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:55,040 Speaker 2: They all like, she knows everybody, right, Yeah, she knows 255 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: these kids. 256 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:59,000 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, and to your again. We grew up 257 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,040 Speaker 1: in a different place. We grew up in a different time, 258 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: right in the south Midwest where we did our growing 259 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: up to this day, Robes, I can it's the street 260 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: over from Church Street where I grew up, another family lived, 261 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:17,439 Speaker 1: and this woman gave me a whooping outside of my parents. 262 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: My parents are still at work. 263 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 3: The idea of that now, she. 264 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 1: Gave me a whooping, and I couldn't wait for my 265 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: parents to get home so I could tell on her. 266 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:30,559 Speaker 1: They embraced her. They're like, what did he do? That was? 267 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 4: Wow? 268 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: Not just your parents holding you accountable, the neighborhood parents 269 00:13:36,559 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: that aren't even yours. I remember that whoop into this day. 270 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: What'd you do? Is what I want to know. 271 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: There was almost always something convenient, but that idea Robes 272 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: to look at this now. No, I don't know if 273 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: she didn't kidnap me at. 274 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,400 Speaker 3: The time, But I bet you smarted off to her. 275 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: No, I was very polite. I was respectful kid. I 276 00:13:58,720 --> 00:14:03,360 Speaker 1: absolutely was. What now I would challenge you. I was 277 00:14:03,400 --> 00:14:08,080 Speaker 1: an annoying kid, but I wasn't a smart Alex. But 278 00:14:09,080 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: this type of thing now to where she feels like 279 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:15,240 Speaker 1: no one, the school and the parents aren't holding this 280 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: kid accountable. So what can I do. I'll hold them accountable. 281 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 2: She had to know that that was going to come 282 00:14:20,840 --> 00:14:24,160 Speaker 2: with consequences. And speaking of that, there is a hearing 283 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 2: scheduled for April thirtieth. All eyes will be on that 284 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 2: Utah courtroom. But she is free until then. It's not 285 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:34,600 Speaker 2: as if she's behind the bar, behind bars, but behind 286 00:14:34,640 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 2: the bar, we go out too much behind bars. 287 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 4: She is. 288 00:14:39,800 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: This was interesting. So two counts of second degree felonies. 289 00:14:43,960 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 2: I read a story where the prosecutors had the option 290 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 2: to actually bring first degree felonies because the charges most 291 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: often come with a first degree count. But they just 292 00:14:54,680 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 2: decided given the circumstances, and that might speak to the 293 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,920 Speaker 2: bullying that her children f they might have decided at 294 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 2: that point just considering all the information they have to 295 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,000 Speaker 2: make it a little bit less. They said that they 296 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 2: felt like that was more in line with what justice 297 00:15:10,080 --> 00:15:10,720 Speaker 2: would require. 298 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: So I thought that was cool. 299 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 2: So two counts of second degree felonies, but each one 300 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,560 Speaker 2: carries a sentence of one to fifteen years in prison, 301 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,280 Speaker 2: a ten thousand dollars fine, or both. 302 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 3: So this is serious. And if she. 303 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: Were to be found guilty of secondary felonies, they're still felonies, 304 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: and that comes with a whole lot of restrictions, and 305 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,440 Speaker 2: that that's a lifelong sentence in a lot of ways. 306 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's no matter what her what her kids 307 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,520 Speaker 1: went through, no matter how upset she was. I mean, 308 00:15:41,560 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: we have to take it on its face. If these 309 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: allegations are true. You can't snatch a kid off the street, 310 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:47,560 Speaker 1: no come to your house. 311 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:52,440 Speaker 2: There have to be consequences, the absolutely and well, we will, 312 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:54,720 Speaker 2: of course stay on top of this story. But we 313 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:57,560 Speaker 2: always appreciate you listening to us. Everyone on Amy Robock 314 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:58,400 Speaker 2: alongside TJ. 315 00:15:58,520 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: Holmes. 316 00:15:59,360 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 3: We will talk walked to you soon.