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Speaker 3: We are back at the combine in Indianapolis here on

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Speaker 3: Steelers Nation Radio. Really really happy alongside Mike Prisident, Matt

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Speaker 3: Williams and myself Rob King to be joined by John

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Speaker 3: Ledyard of Audibles and Analytics and yins uh yins snowball

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Speaker 3: but yeah, ball, it's no ball.

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Speaker 3: totally fired up about that John joining us now. First

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Speaker 3: of all, thanks for being with us. I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, to totally appreciate you guys having me on always

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Speaker 5: a pleasure.

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Speaker 6: Combined tradition. But I haven't been here in a couple of.

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Speaker 2: Years, as I haven't seen me the last couple of years.

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Speaker 6: Right, so it's good to be back for sure.

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Speaker 2: You know, get off the camp this year and stuff

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Speaker 2: again too.

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Speaker 6: I hope.

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Speaker 5: So you know, my full time job kind of interferes

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Speaker 5: with them being able to get the camp consistently, but

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Speaker 5: I usually if I can get one day off, I

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Speaker 5: usually try to get up there with at least the

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Speaker 5: family and seasons.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, fantastic. Uh So, and you're you're not that far away.

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Speaker 6: There, No, Yeah, we're but from Latrobe. It's actually really

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Speaker 6: close for us.

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Speaker 5: We are only about twenty five minutes from Latrobe's from

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Speaker 5: Saint Vincent. So it works out well when they're in

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Speaker 5: training get we said, a lot easier than when they're

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Speaker 5: in the season.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So, John, I wanted to ask you, like, you know,

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Speaker 3: I think that for the Steelers, the analogy I've made,

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Speaker 3: and I don't think they would, I think they would

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Speaker 3: agree with this, is that wide receiver to this team

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Speaker 3: is what defensive line was last year. They're gonna get

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Speaker 3: probably three, I would guess one and free agency two

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Speaker 3: in the draft. Knowing that I don't know whether they're

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Speaker 3: going to go first round or second round. So for me,

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Speaker 3: because there seems to be some depth at the wide

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Speaker 3: receiver position, I don't know if we want to talk

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Speaker 3: about the wide receiver position first, but the But for me,

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Speaker 3: what's interesting too is what would be their next position?

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Speaker 3: Would it be offensive tackle, would it be safety? Would

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Speaker 3: it be inside linebacker? I suspect and I don't know,

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Speaker 3: as a lot of people are thinking about, I would

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Speaker 3: suspect safety would be pretty high on their list of wants.

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Speaker 3: And so you've seen this safety class. You know, ideally

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Speaker 3: a free safety, rangy guy who can make plays in

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Speaker 3: the back end would be a wonderful tradition, a wonderful

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Speaker 6: Other teams in the league. We'd be looking for him too.

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Speaker 3: So does that guy exist only in the first round

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Speaker 3: or could the Steelers get a guy like that beyond

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Speaker 6: What are some names maybe they could be looking at.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I do think you're right, by the way, Rob,

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Speaker 5: that Steeler. The Steelers looking at safety seems to be

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Speaker 5: they just asking around and kind of getting a feel

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Speaker 5: If Jayalen Ramps is gonna be on this team, which

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Speaker 7: We've been leaving that way all week just reading the

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Speaker 6: Feel it feels like he might be.

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Speaker 6: I think when you look at the safety group.

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Speaker 5: There's three guys that really stand out as probable first

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Speaker 5: really interesting. I would say, if you're looking at just

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Speaker 5: If we watched dylanthe Eneman at Perdue before he transferred Oregon,

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Speaker 5: And the Steelers have been traditionally one of the last

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Speaker 5: would say Fianeman's won. Emmanuel McNeil Warren interesting player. I

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Speaker 2: He's a Toledo guy. If people don't remember.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the Toledo safety. The other guy that's really interesting

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Speaker 6: He's the range. You got it.

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Speaker 5: When you describe the way you described Rob is exactly

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Speaker 5: what ajlse is. If you watch just his interceptions from

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Speaker 2: Tackling, Yeah, he free.

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Speaker 6: That's the thing. He's six foot two, twenty four.

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Speaker 2: He told me plenty that last wow as a free safety.

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Speaker 5: Right, but he doesn't really play in the box that well.

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Speaker 5: He's okay there. Tackling needs him clean up. He can

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Speaker 5: think he has much versatility. But if the Steels are

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Speaker 3: this McNeil Warren guy looks like like he could do both,

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Speaker 3: Like he could be the rangey free safety. He come

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Speaker 5: Pittsburgh, I know exactly. That's that's why you think they

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Speaker 5: might be inclined to him. He's also got some swagger

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Speaker 5: don't know if that new regime will feel like value

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Speaker 5: think he can do a little bit of everything, which

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Speaker 5: Warren has some really odd, kind of sloppy tendencies on tape,

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Speaker 5: like he was these things weren't coached out of him.

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Speaker 5: I'll give an example of one of them. If you

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Speaker 5: is like messing with his helmet or his mouthpiece or

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Speaker 5: his face mask before the snap, almost like a nervous tick.

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Speaker 5: I don't think that's what it is, but he's doing

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Speaker 6: I watched the first game of season, like this kid is.

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Speaker 4: I can get him a helmet with one I was.

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Speaker 5: Like, this can't continue all season? No last game of season, Wow,

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Speaker 5: same thing. He actually goes into the box to take

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Speaker 5: He takes on the block with one hand. It's like

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Speaker 5: I've never seen this.

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Speaker 6: Wow. So it's just little.

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Speaker 5: So it's just very interesting stuff with him, where like

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Speaker 5: if it's coached exactly it's coached out of him, then

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Speaker 5: I think like he can be a really good player.

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Speaker 5: But he has some other things like that with tackling,

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Speaker 5: and just like where his eyes are each snap, and

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Speaker 5: whereas I think little assignments. He does a much better

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Speaker 5: job with so interesting player, but a player i'd want

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna let you guys ask the questions. I just

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Speaker 3: have one more question. Is there a drop off point?

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Speaker 4: Is there?

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Speaker 3: Okay, it is you can't get one of these three safeties,

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Speaker 3: and yeah, and you could evidently you could get quality

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Speaker 3: in rounds two or three, But is there a drop off?

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Speaker 3: Are those three first guys you mentioned, Hey, these are

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Speaker 3: the first round guys, and if we don't get him

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Speaker 3: address that later.

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Speaker 2: In the draft.

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Speaker 6: For me, there's a huge drop you.

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Speaker 5: You pull so many other analysts around here they would

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Speaker 5: tell you, I think it's a deep safety glass. There's

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Speaker 5: lots of like the Day two like they would say,

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Speaker 5: Genesis Smith and Zakey Wheatley from Penn State, and like

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Speaker 5: some of these other guys are like really like clear

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Speaker 5: Day two guys, like top fifty, top sixty guys.

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Speaker 6: I have those guys more. Day three.

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Speaker 2: I just watch the Smith and doesn't understand anything.

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Speaker 6: I don't either.

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Speaker 2: He doesn't look like a football player.

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Speaker 6: No, I agree with you completely. I have him actually

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Speaker 5: I would not draft tennis to Smith, and I think

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Speaker 5: most people have him in at least the top seventy five,

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Speaker 5: So a little bit differ diference from me. And I

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Speaker 5: think the USC guys. Bishop Fitzgerald's getting some hype. I

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Speaker 5: think Kamari Ramsey is getting some hype. I think Ramsey

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Speaker 6: Fitzgerald's a Day three.

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Speaker 5: Special teams try our guy Wheatley I like from the demeanor,

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Speaker 5: but there's just too many issues I think with the

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Speaker 5: profile and then all the different things in safety needs

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Speaker 5: to be able to do. I think he's just really

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Speaker 5: limited at all of them. So to me, the class

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Speaker 5: might ask about it. I think it's pretty much those three.

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Speaker 5: Halsey is really interesting to me. Maybe some of these

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Speaker 5: nickel guys Keyante Scott from Miami Trade and Stokes from Arizona,

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Speaker 7: But to me, if they take a safety at twenty one,

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Speaker 5: Right, I could see them liking all three of the

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Speaker 7: Real and people think he's gonna test really well, he's

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Speaker 5: It's it's the already burns principle, right when William Jackson

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Speaker 5: think wide receiver would be more plentiful in this class.

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Speaker 5: most classes. I think parody is kind. We always want

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Speaker 5: and I think that that's how it's gonna play out.

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Speaker 5: I bet you'll see really comparable players in round two

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Speaker 5: The bigger thing a wide receiver is going to be

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Speaker 5: who fits what I want to do offensively, because wide

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Speaker 6: Kind of stuff. Who can live in that area of

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Speaker 5: Typically it's wide receivers who see the field really well,

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Speaker 5: So who sees the field well? Who's cerebral wide receiver? Pooka,

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Speaker 5: Whereas ten years ago they wouldn't have been the profile

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Speaker 6: Now that profile has changed some.

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Speaker 5: So I think it's good news for guys like McKay

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Speaker 8: How about if I wanted to wait until round three

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Speaker 5: Yeah, first of all, good decision to wait, because this

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Speaker 5: right because you see alliance for example, to use them.

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Speaker 5: Super Bowl next last year, right, like that's their goal

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Speaker 5: round at the end of the first round, fine football player,

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Speaker 5: but he's a but of value. Isn't a first round value? Yeah,

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Speaker 5: they needed a first round value player. They missed it

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Speaker 5: run stuffers, these types of even tackles, which this class

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Speaker 6: So a lot of them.

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Speaker 5: Exactly, you have to make sure like what you're getting

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Speaker 5: A lot of those guys if teams start reaching and

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Speaker 5: taking some of these guys are the Lee Hunters, the

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Speaker 5: Dante Corleone. You know, these guys are a defined skill set.

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Speaker 5: They're really good for that role. But that role in

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Speaker 4: Six exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 6: It's a value proposition, right.

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Speaker 3: And I think this too, there's are positioned to be

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think so, And I think there's guys like

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Speaker 5: The Higo State connection, all that stuff. Now people talk

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Speaker 5: His vision needs to improve. I think a lot of

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Speaker 5: I think that will probably make a lot of sense,

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Speaker 5: similar to how Zach Frasier everybody kind of do it

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Speaker 5: This one's one that I think i'd have circle.

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Speaker 6: How about day three tackles Offensive tackles. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 6: is there is there a project.

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Speaker 7: I would love to have like them William and Mary

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Speaker 2: You don't have to start them this year, but maybe

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's interesting because you are going to be able

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Speaker 7: Closes tax on tackles right, Yeah, in the class last

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Speaker 6: Some shrimp cocktail.

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Speaker 4: To that I got one for you.

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Speaker 6: My voice will change.

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Speaker 5: You know there's a guy named for his last name

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Speaker 5: sometimes not having the bad abbage really helps you with tackle,

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Speaker 3: interior offensive let me just keep adding him, Just keep

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Speaker 3: adding him.

440
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Speaker 2: You never know when a guy matter what.

441
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Speaker 3: Yeah, the other position that I think is would would

442
00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:33,320
Speaker 3: be maybe sneakily on their radar, would be inside linebacker

443
00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:35,640
Speaker 3: because Cole Holkome is going to be a free agent.

444
00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,639
Speaker 3: I think Malie Harrison is considered a cut candidate for

445
00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,560
Speaker 3: a lot of people. Patrick Queen's going into the last

446
00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,960
Speaker 3: year of his deal. I would think if you could

447
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Speaker 3: find somebody, you know, you got to win this year,

448
00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,240
Speaker 3: you know. So maybe that's not a first or second

449
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,160
Speaker 3: round pick, but maybe it is a third round pick.

450
00:17:52,680 --> 00:17:55,080
Speaker 3: Can a guy like that? Can you find a guy

451
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Speaker 3: like that? And that they found one with Peyton Wilson,

452
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Speaker 3: Can you find a guy like that in the third round.

453
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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is a really good linebacker class. That's the

454
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Speaker 5: exciting part. Now some of those things are gonna require

455
00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,679
Speaker 5: There's gonna be some development needed for some of these guys.

456
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Speaker 5: And like I think of a Jay Golde from Cincinnati,

457
00:18:09,119 --> 00:18:10,919
Speaker 5: guy who played kind of like in the overhang, like

458
00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:14,400
Speaker 5: a big slot type of role, and I think transitioning

459
00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:16,880
Speaker 5: to a full time stackbacker is going to be difficult.

460
00:18:16,920 --> 00:18:19,800
Speaker 5: Peyton Wilson was in the similar kind of role and

461
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Speaker 5: transitioning has been an adventure for him. I think it's

462
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Speaker 5: I think he still has a lot of promise, by

463
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Speaker 5: the way, I really I'm hopeful that with a new

464
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Speaker 5: regime there can be more patience with Peyton Wilson.

465
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Speaker 6: I think he had a really tough.

466
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Speaker 5: Lift last year with how much and I like bet

467
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Speaker 5: Keanu Benton, but how much Benton was in his lap

468
00:18:34,320 --> 00:18:36,639
Speaker 5: on a regular basis, Like, it's hard to play linebacker

469
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Speaker 5: when you're still learning to play stackbacker and that's the

470
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Speaker 5: that's the position you're in consistently. So I'm still excited

471
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Speaker 5: about his future. But you're exactly right, Malie Carrison probably

472
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Speaker 5: not gonna be a part and nor should he be.

473
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Speaker 5: I think based on his play last year. Patrick Queen

474
00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,680
Speaker 5: contract here, that's one to watch. I think this offseason,

475
00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:53,960
Speaker 5: I know it's been flowing. Maybe they could release him.

476
00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:55,879
Speaker 5: I think he would be a player that they'd be

477
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Speaker 5: interested in trading if at his age he should still

478
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Speaker 5: have trade value.

479
00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:01,000
Speaker 6: He's not a perfect play if you're not.

480
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,120
Speaker 2: Going to extend them, if you already know that.

481
00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,919
Speaker 5: If you already know that and you're not gonna extend them,

482
00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,880
Speaker 5: are you really like so gung ho on this year,

483
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:08,040
Speaker 5: Like we got to have him this year, but we

484
00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:09,639
Speaker 5: don't want them long term.

485
00:19:11,160 --> 00:19:13,359
Speaker 3: Good line because well then you need to get one

486
00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,480
Speaker 3: in free agency at Devin laid so you'd have to

487
00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:16,440
Speaker 3: fill that void.

488
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Speaker 2: All to be more expensive.

489
00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, probably, but maybe they think he's a better player,

490
00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,080
Speaker 5: and yeah, probably and they're willing to go there sort of.

491
00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:27,320
Speaker 5: Nikobe Dean's another one. Really interesting. What is Patrick Graham

492
00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:29,480
Speaker 5: kind of value to in this role? I think is

493
00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 5: going to be really important. He's not had great linebacker

494
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:35,240
Speaker 5: play in recent years, and perhaps that's something where he's like, man,

495
00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:37,760
Speaker 5: I need this specific guy to be my off ball

496
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,840
Speaker 5: linebacker in the class that I think is the sneakiest

497
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Speaker 5: Round one possibility for the Steelers that isn't interesting about

498
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Speaker 5: him even that early in the draft. Because I think

499
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Speaker 5: when you think about a guy like C. J. Allen

500
00:19:47,480 --> 00:19:49,399
Speaker 5: maybe could be there from Georgia, player whose tape I

501
00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:51,720
Speaker 5: absolutely love, who needs a little bit more development, but

502
00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:52,680
Speaker 5: really good potential.

503
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Speaker 6: Then you go later in the draft of J.

504
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Speaker 5: Golday is like again, athletic, developmental type of player. I'm

505
00:19:57,920 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 5: not high on Anthony Hill from Texas, but other people

506
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:03,520
Speaker 5: are in that day two range somewhere. Jacob Rodriguez is

507
00:20:03,640 --> 00:20:05,960
Speaker 5: not really who the Steelers will typically take maybe, but

508
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,879
Speaker 5: he tested really well today and I think it tapes

509
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:11,120
Speaker 5: really good. But it tapes better than gold a better

510
00:20:11,160 --> 00:20:13,280
Speaker 5: than Hill, I think, and now the testing is better

511
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,320
Speaker 5: than them, like sign me up. I think there's a

512
00:20:15,359 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 5: lot there. So it's it's a really good class. I

513
00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:20,439
Speaker 5: think they will draft one sometime in the first three

514
00:20:20,480 --> 00:20:21,080
Speaker 5: or four rounds.

515
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Speaker 7: Interesting, so we mentioned free agency. They're obviously gonna add

516
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Speaker 7: people between now and the draft. There's a couple of safeties.

517
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Speaker 7: I like, uh Cook at Kansas City. Uh, the Colts

518
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Speaker 7: have a guy come on the first contract and there's

519
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Speaker 7: all But there's a lot of receivers. I mean they're

520
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Speaker 7: gonna I'm sure they're gonna add a receiver of some sort.

521
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Speaker 7: I don't know if they're trade for Brian Thomas or a J.

522
00:20:41,920 --> 00:20:45,040
Speaker 7: Brown or maybe sign Romeo Dobbs. Is there a veteran

523
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:48,440
Speaker 7: receiver that you have your eye on, you, DJ Moore.

524
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Speaker 7: I mean, there's a lot of guys who could be

525
00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:49,920
Speaker 7: on the move.

526
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Speaker 5: There are a lot of guys that the guys that

527
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,960
Speaker 5: are trade cannadates right now. I'm really cautious on pretty

528
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,280
Speaker 5: much all of them. Trying to thank the heck out

529
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Speaker 5: of me. He scares the heck out of me. He

530
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Speaker 5: doesn't do the little things well. He sort of like

531
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 5: let himself go a little bit on the details of

532
00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,480
Speaker 5: the position. Like I'm get scared by that. I definitely

533
00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 5: get kind of scared even by an AJ Brown proposition,

534
00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:12,560
Speaker 5: Like is he is? He declined, he's at the right time.

535
00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 5: Brian Thomas maybe, like that one is interesting because there

536
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,679
Speaker 5: was this, you know, after rookie year and that this

537
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:21,200
Speaker 5: lat past year was so disappointing. And I also wonder

538
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,240
Speaker 5: if he's like too similar to Metcalfock. At some point,

539
00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 5: you just need a guy who knows how to play

540
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 5: wide receiver. And it's telling that the Jaguars were like,

541
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,520
Speaker 5: we're gonna run a grown up real person offense. And

542
00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:32,800
Speaker 5: then they went out and they went on got Chobe Myers.

543
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Speaker 6: They started playing Parker Washington.

544
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,000
Speaker 5: Brenton Strange became the guy the offense ran through, and

545
00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,560
Speaker 5: it's like, that's telling to me that they faced him

546
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Speaker 5: out when the offense matured.

547
00:21:40,200 --> 00:21:41,520
Speaker 6: The Steels offense needs to mature.

548
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 5: They ran like kind of a kind of a fake

549
00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 5: offense a lot last year, at least in a passing attack.

550
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 5: It was kind of a it was kind of a

551
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Speaker 5: BS type of passing attack, I think, And so I

552
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Speaker 5: players that can do those kind of things are who

553
00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 5: I'm really interested in. Who can do the kind of

554
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 5: stuff I described, be a cerebral player. I'll read the defense,

555
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 5: make the right decision, catch the ball reliably like they've

556
00:21:58,800 --> 00:22:01,800
Speaker 5: been missing those those types of things. That wide receiver,

557
00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:03,640
Speaker 5: those types of traits a wide receiver not really who

558
00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:06,200
Speaker 5: Pickens is, not really who metcalf Is, Deontey Johnson is

559
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 5: hard to be reliable.

560
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Speaker 6: So I'm interested in.

561
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Speaker 3: Romeo Dobbs, the other guy that totally different kind of player.

562
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Speaker 3: But Windale Robinson, you know, just a little guy that

563
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Speaker 3: can get They can get in and move the sticks

564
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Speaker 3: for you.

565
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Speaker 4: Highly productive. But but Dobbs is a bigger guy. You know.

566
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Speaker 3: I think the Studers want big guys, you know, they

567
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,840
Speaker 3: want big guys at that position, and Dobbs is a

568
00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: big guy.

569
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Speaker 4: Yeah.

570
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 5: What I like about Dobbs is the release packages is

571
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:34,399
Speaker 5: all pro caliber, like the way he gets off line

572
00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,919
Speaker 5: of scrimmers against press coverage. The red zone work. If

573
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,080
Speaker 5: you watch just his low red zone work in Green Bay,

574
00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 5: unbelievable creating separation. That's a valuable area of the field.

575
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,359
Speaker 5: The Steelers need a difference maker there. That third down stuff,

576
00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:47,679
Speaker 5: the red zone stuff that matters for him. There's some

577
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,639
Speaker 5: inconsistencies in the overall profile with him, I think, and that,

578
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 5: but again, you're taking some sort of a shot. This

579
00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 5: isn't a great free agent wide receiver group, so you'd

580
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 5: be taking some sort of a shot, but he's one.

581
00:22:56,680 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 5: I think the upside play would be worth it for Pittsburgh.

582
00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 5: Wandel robb And is really interesting because he's pretty much

583
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 5: only a short area of the fred receiver but exactly

584
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,760
Speaker 5: you guys said, like that's kind of like what they need.

585
00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:08,680
Speaker 5: And then he's really fun after the catch too. He's

586
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:10,360
Speaker 5: harder to get on the ground than anybody gives credit

587
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,760
Speaker 5: for I think he is like the highest mistackle forced

588
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 5: rate in a bunks wide receiver or something like that. Like

589
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:17,520
Speaker 5: he's just been really, really elusive and fun after the catch.

590
00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 5: So what's the price tag on him? Because I don't

591
00:23:20,040 --> 00:23:21,719
Speaker 5: think he can scale up in his game at all.

592
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 6: He doesn't do any.

593
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Speaker 5: But so what is the going rate for a player

594
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:28,960
Speaker 5: like that? Who There's not a whole lot of players

595
00:23:28,960 --> 00:23:31,280
Speaker 5: like that right now in the league, and so I'm

596
00:23:31,359 --> 00:23:32,840
Speaker 5: I'm really kind of curious to see what that is.

597
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 5: I don't want to overpay for him, but if the

598
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:36,600
Speaker 5: price tag is kind of less than what you're seeing

599
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,480
Speaker 5: out there, then I would be interested in him.

600
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Speaker 2: So just watching Metcalf Dobbs in a second round pick, yeah.

601
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Speaker 4: Yeah, which is I think is that would be great?

602
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 4: By the way, Jacob downs for Indianapolis reminded me of

603
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:46,840
Speaker 4: him too.

604
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:48,879
Speaker 3: Like you have all the guys on the outside and

605
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Speaker 3: then it's like third and four and he comes up

606
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Speaker 3: with a five yard.

607
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 6: Reception of the guy.

608
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Speaker 2: You know, I like to have a guy like that.

609
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 4: Oh, I wouldn't mind that either.

610
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 5: I like another good player, I think, but if he

611
00:23:59,280 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 5: can just continue to play above the rim at the

612
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 5: level he's had. I think he's never going to be

613
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 5: like unbelievable, but he's got to play above the rim

614
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 5: and just catch the ball consistently. That's the biggest thing

615
00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 5: with him lately. Just hasn't been like as dominant in

616
00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,480
Speaker 5: those areas. But we've seen flash of We know he's capable,

617
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 5: we saw it in college. So I think if he

618
00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 5: can get back to some of that that type of play,

619
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Speaker 5: he'd be a really good difference.

620
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Speaker 3: They're going to resign him. I think you don't think so.

621
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,119
Speaker 3: Didn't the guy from the Colts tell you that they thought.

622
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:25,040
Speaker 2: That Richardson was in the long term plans too.

623
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Speaker 7: So okay, as we all do with teams, we can

624
00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 7: be a little short sighted with our face.

625
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 3: One other receiver that I wanted to throw out there

626
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Speaker 3: because of the connection with Brian Angelicio is Jail and

627
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:35,919
Speaker 3: Nail or another guy who And again, if you're looking,

628
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 3: I'm not a scout. You are, you're you're paying attention

629
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,760
Speaker 3: to these things. You look at a guy maybe maybe

630
00:24:40,800 --> 00:24:42,840
Speaker 3: there's just not there's too many miles to feed up there.

631
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Speaker 3: Maybe he's a guy with some upside. I don't know

632
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:51,040
Speaker 3: what you think about uside, what do you what do

633
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,080
Speaker 3: you think about a guy like that?

634
00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:54,280
Speaker 2: What else you need to know?

635
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,680
Speaker 5: I think when I made the free agent list of Steelers,

636
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 5: like who two wide receiveres jumped out to me, Dobbs

637
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 5: who we talked about.

638
00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 6: Jalen Naylor was the other one.

639
00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 5: The reason why when I watched Jalen naleer last year,

640
00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 5: I thought, get what you said, like, just is there

641
00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,480
Speaker 5: enough targets to go around for this guy? And last

642
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:14,600
Speaker 5: year I think it was more of a they should

643
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 5: be able to use this guy more than they do.

644
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 5: And the quarterback play was maybe dead last think, I

645
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 5: mean it was literally that bad. And if you watch

646
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,879
Speaker 5: him though, he gets out of the top of his

647
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,080
Speaker 5: route at an elite level. Now the rest of the

648
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 5: game matters too. Can you do it on the outside?

649
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 5: What's the down the field stuff look like you mentioned

650
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,400
Speaker 5: the speed dictive. I think there's more he can do there.

651
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 5: But he got out of the route really well on

652
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,119
Speaker 5: the on the break stuff right the any horizontal breaks

653
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Speaker 5: in the route, created the space really well at the

654
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Speaker 5: top of the route. Caught the ball really well last

655
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,760
Speaker 5: year too. Caught the ball really well last year along

656
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 5: the boundary, caught the ball really well last year so

657
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Speaker 5: there's a lot of things. To me, he's the guy.

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Speaker 5: Those two are the ones I want to see. Like

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Speaker 5: both the offenses they came from didn't prioritize their role

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Speaker 5: whole lot, but they showed a lot of talent. Dobbs

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Speaker 5: and Naylor they're the ones I would be like, look,

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Speaker 5: nothing's guarantee in this class. I want to stay away

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Speaker 5: from the older guys who are the second contract guys

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Speaker 5: that like are young.

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Speaker 2: Enough, which the philosophy usually anyway.

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Speaker 6: It should be yeah, it should be.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: There was a play several years back against Rutgers. Kenneth

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Speaker 8: Walker was playing for Michigan State. He was running all

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Speaker 8: over Rutgers and he broke like an eighty yard run

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Speaker 8: and from the forty yard line in Naylor was running

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Speaker 8: with them, and they high fived at the twenty yards

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Speaker 8: well while Walker was running into the edge. I mean,

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Speaker 8: this is theater we got to bring down. Imagine Jalen

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Speaker 8: Warren breaking one with speeding Naylor and.

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Speaker 6: Nayler might be ahead of him if they did that.

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Speaker 3: John Leonard Man, this has been an absolute thrill from

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Speaker 3: audibles and analytics. Also, Yin's noball can't wait to check

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Speaker 3: that out. Thanks so much for spending some time and

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Speaker 3: sharing knowledge with us.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, always a blast to talk ball with you guys.

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Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're gonna continue their coverage from Indianapolis as soon

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Speaker 3: as Nation Radio part of this year.

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Speaker 4: There's audio network.

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Speaker 1: This is live reach up that twenty twenty six NFL

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Speaker 1: combine on Steelers Nation Radio a part of the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Audio Network, and.

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Speaker 4: We're back in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 2: Bam.

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Speaker 4: Was that fun?

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Speaker 2: Oh good?

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Speaker 4: I could have kept so.

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Speaker 3: By the way, my sincere thanks to Matt Williamson, who

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Speaker 3: I love well. You know, I love talking to Matt Williamson.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 4: Just talking about Williams. It's good.

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Speaker 3: Uh, but also your your insight and your knowledge to

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Speaker 3: other people to get some some you know, different perspectives,

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Speaker 3: and it is just it's right.

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Speaker 4: We're riding with the king man.

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Speaker 6: We are right.

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Speaker 2: We are in his element.

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Speaker 4: We are in his element. And I've listened to a.

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Speaker 7: Lot of podcasts, and I'm really picky about the ones

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Speaker 7: I do because I only want to listen to ones

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Speaker 7: I learned something from, and I always learned something from John.

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Speaker 8: I feel like Robert Brown playing with Burial. I'm not

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Speaker 8: that good, but it makes me look better. Yeah, and

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Speaker 8: it and back a couple of goals off you yeah, right,

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Speaker 8: and and.

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Speaker 3: There and there's something there's something that that Wes and

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Speaker 3: you and I are not doing, and that is leave

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Speaker 3: this table and being crowded by people who want our

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Speaker 3: opinions on other stations around the country.

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Speaker 4: And that's Matt Williamson. But that really good.

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Speaker 3: And very yeah, to be able to share these guys

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Speaker 3: and get different perspectives and again different views.

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: I look, since the beginning of the week, I've been

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Speaker 3: kind of on that safety uh you know bandwagon. Well,

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Speaker 3: I don't even think it's the band. I don't think

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Speaker 3: anybody's on it, but it now it feels like there

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Speaker 3: are other people in roomy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I really, I just I like that.

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Speaker 3: I mean I look at the ross he observation.

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Speaker 7: Yeah right, it's not like once or twice.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and and you know what they do in free

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Speaker 3: agencies obviously going to inform what they do, but uh

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Speaker 3: in the draft. But I've made this point Mike all

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Speaker 3: week that I think the studers could position themselves. You know,

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Speaker 3: so what are again just one more time to reiterate

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Speaker 3: go around, like look at the offense Okay, they bring

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers back, which we expect. What are the holes

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Speaker 3: on offense? Well for this year, left guard receiver for sure.

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Speaker 3: On defense? Uh, if you bring back Samuel and Pierre,

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Speaker 3: where do you absolutely have to add somebody?

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Speaker 4: Right?

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Speaker 3: So, but but if you bring back Samuel, if you

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Speaker 3: bring back Samuel and Pierre, and then you had eckles

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Speaker 3: and you needn't do anything else in free agency, you

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Speaker 3: can think about a day two or day three guy

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Speaker 3: at the cornerback position.

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Speaker 6: You'd be you know, you have echos there.

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Speaker 3: Still you could still price and uh, Samuel and Samuel

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Speaker 3: and Pierre. Samuel and Pierre would be your guys. But

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Speaker 3: you could set yourself up, truly set yourself up to say, okay,

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Speaker 3: we know we need a receiver, but you know what,

749
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Speaker 3: our guys aren't here. Let's push that back to day two.

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Speaker 3: And now who's a who's a really really good player?

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Speaker 3: Because somebody if if you set it up that way,

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Speaker 3: somebody gonna be on your board that you've that you

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Speaker 3: like his tenth on your board and you're gonna get

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Speaker 3: him at twenty one. And whether that is an offensive tackle,

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Speaker 3: whether that is a safety, or whether that is an

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Speaker 3: inside linebacker.

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I just I just see this team as having far

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Speaker 3: fewer holes than a lot of people think. And I

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Speaker 3: think with a couple of moves they could set themselves

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Speaker 3: up in a position like that. And you know what,

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Speaker 3: you don't like the safeties, Okay, who do we have it?

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Speaker 3: Inside linebacker? Okay, you don't like it? Who do we

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Speaker 3: have an offensive down? You're gonna find a guy that

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Speaker 3: that could potentially be a real upper echelon starter for

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Speaker 3: you if you were able to do that.

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm a Patrick Queen fan, But if there's this

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Speaker 2: linebacker in the round, one that you adore, right, you

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Speaker 2: take them. You can trade Queen the next day, true,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean?

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Speaker 3: Just or you could say, let's go to camp and

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Speaker 3: see what happens exactly right right right, you know, let's

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Speaker 3: because because this guy's might not after and he may

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Speaker 3: need some development, he may be best to get forty

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Speaker 3: percent of the snaps and not eighty percent of the

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Speaker 3: snaps is a rookie And then.

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Speaker 2: You so fluid though, right, you know?

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Speaker 6: But you know, I think that that's where you know

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Speaker 6: you're looking for.

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Speaker 3: They've done such a nice job of just bring in

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Speaker 3: my opinion of bringing in a solid young core, especially

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Speaker 3: on those lines that they want to do. Did they

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Speaker 3: have to finish off some positions? For sure, receivers number

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Speaker 3: one on the list, I know that, but secondary and

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Speaker 3: you know, inside linebacker. I think these are positions that

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Speaker 3: you would also be you would also be thinking about

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 4: We have another guest rolling in.

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Speaker 7: Well, are you ready now? We almost to break, shall be? Yeah,

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Speaker 7: let's take a break and then we'll come back.

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Speaker 3: Okay, like like, okay, this is this is quality radio

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Speaker 3: radio here.

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Speaker 2: We got a break. By the way, this is another

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite Okay, fantastic first time.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that's a tease.

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Speaker 3: And we're gonna leave it right there as we continue

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Speaker 3: our draft coverage to there's audio network here from Indianapolis.

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Speaker 1: This is live Cobry Chump that twenty twenty six NFL

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Speaker 1: combine on Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the Steelers

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Speaker 1: Audio Network.

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Speaker 3: Hey, we're back here in Indianapolis and our guest and

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Speaker 3: man having fun during the commercial break, you know, going

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Speaker 3: very lane because Nate Tice football analyst from Yahoo Sports

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Speaker 3: Dad Mike Tys.

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Speaker 4: We're talking about how he was recruited in.

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Speaker 3: Pitt and and Nate was a grad assistant as you

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Speaker 3: were at Pitt and.

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Speaker 9: Just later than me, a little younger all of the yeah,

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Speaker 9: all right, uh, don't don't get me started, all of

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Speaker 9: the cross sections of you know, I've covered Pitt for

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Speaker 9: a long time too, and it just so I.

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Speaker 2: Lived on the South Side for two years, so he

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Speaker 2: knows he knows the neighborhood.

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Speaker 4: Yeap knows the hood.

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Speaker 3: Nate, thanks very much for being with us, really appreciated.

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Speaker 3: So so you're here at the combine and just give

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Speaker 3: us an outline of sort of what you're what you're

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Speaker 3: looking to accomplish here personally.

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Speaker 10: Oh yeah, meeting people, that's really it. But no, really

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Speaker 10: just getting to know like some news that's going on.

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Speaker 10: It feels like the whole NFL kind of takes a

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Speaker 10: pause until the combine happens and everyone starts talking and

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Speaker 10: every like deals start getting made and like news starts

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Speaker 10: breaking and everything.

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Speaker 2: So that really just.

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Speaker 10: Stay on top of that, just learning some stuff about

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Speaker 10: some of these players as well, and then you're looking

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Speaker 10: at measurements and everything, like even I won't be here

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Speaker 10: for throwing tomorrow on Saturday, but that's kind of funny

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Speaker 10: every like, oh, you're not watching throwing. It's like I

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Speaker 10: got this thing called film, Yeah, started and watch that

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Speaker 10: and I'll be good to go. And they have pads

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Speaker 10: on the defenders there and they can help me out.

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Speaker 10: But you know, it's a trades league.

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Speaker 2: It's not helpful. I think football needs all the people

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Speaker 2: on the field.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, No, NFL trades league all the way. And that's

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Speaker 10: what the combine is is to see what these traits are.

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Speaker 10: But also it's like really the most important part of

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Speaker 10: the combine is interviews, medicals and as we see more

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Speaker 10: players kind of not doing all the testing, like.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm not gonna do cone this year.

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Speaker 4: I'm ready to do this.

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Speaker 2: That also is kind of like a nice little thing.

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Speaker 10: So oh this guy did, like Denzel Boston from Washington,

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Speaker 10: he was like, now, so I'm doing all the testing

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Speaker 10: and I'm doing all the drills. It's like, okay, a

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Speaker 10: little feather in your cap, you know, just a little yeah,

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Speaker 10: I know, sure, what you maybe.

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Speaker 2: Want to call narrative scouting.

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Speaker 10: But it's like, you know, it doesn't hurt for these

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Speaker 10: guys when this class back such consensus, Like especially at receiver,

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Speaker 10: it's a lot of like there's a lot of guys

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Speaker 10: grouped together any little these differentiators to help them stand out.

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Speaker 10: It's gonna help them because there's so many different flavors

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Speaker 10: that you know can kind of go after this class.

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Speaker 7: So I listened to your podcast Football three zero one.

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Speaker 7: Everyone should check it out. We had Harmon on earlier

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Speaker 7: and I know, just listen to your show. As a

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Speaker 7: former quarterback, you have a little bit of an infinity

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Speaker 7: for the big receivers. And I've seen Boston like the

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Speaker 7: Steelers a lot. Yeah, what do you think about Boston

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Speaker 7: at twenty one for Pittsburgh? How would he fit in?

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Speaker 2: Well? And that's what I start with. What happened last year?

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Speaker 10: It was and even the year before that, George Pickens

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Speaker 10: would get hurt that the whole offense crater.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Dk Metcalf's on the field.

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Speaker 10: Whole offense craters and it's not having that receiver too

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Speaker 10: to just take some of the help pop and it

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Speaker 10: doesn't have to be an end all, be all guy,

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Speaker 10: like a true ace. That's why I've kind of the

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Speaker 10: Steelers have to address the receiver room. But it's like

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Speaker 10: I'm kind of like trying to gauge exactly wouldn't be

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Speaker 10: the right spot Boston would be great. It would have

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Speaker 10: been a lot better actually, I think it actually in

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Speaker 10: Arthur Smith's offense, but you know McCarthy offense, which is

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Speaker 10: more quick hitting and more just a little bit more tempo,

878
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:21,840
Speaker 10: like DK's gonna be fine in that. Boston to me,

879
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 10: actually isn't maybe the one that I would go pair

880
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 10: with him and separator, you don't see that part. I

881
00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 10: love Boston, I really do. But like for the Steelers,

882
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 10: they already kind of have the big guy metcalf Is

883
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,240
Speaker 10: more finesse even though he is a big guy. Boston

884
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 10: is is that true ball winner type. He's a true ax.

885
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 10: It's just there, there's some hat on a hat there.

886
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 10: Then kind of like, okay, they are a team that

887
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 10: I can justify going to Mikayle Lemon, who's a little

888
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 10: different skill set, works from the slot. I think he

889
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:46,640
Speaker 10: matches what McCarthy would like to do a lot more.

890
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 10: But just because they get open, quicker, quicker, Yeah, we'll

891
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 10: packing underneath. I having said that, like Carnel Tates as

892
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:54,680
Speaker 10: at this point right now, you know, see testing and

893
00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 10: see everything.

894
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: But he's my receiver one.

895
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 10: But like right behind him is Boston, and I think

896
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 10: I'm one of the for he's one of the higher

897
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:02,959
Speaker 10: guys for me, because it's hard to find a true

898
00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 10: X skill set. So I know I'm kind of talking

899
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 10: out both sides of my mouth, but it's just one

900
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 10: of these guys that but you're scouting generically, yes, and

901
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,160
Speaker 10: every team's so specific and everything. Yeah, And that's that's

902
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 10: the thing too. A guy like Boston to me is

903
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 10: more scheme proof in the sense that it's like he

904
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 10: fits into a lot because he's an X. I think

905
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 10: if like a midline comparison for him would be like

906
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 10: Courtland Sutton for the Broncos. Matt Harmon has compared him,

907
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,480
Speaker 10: and he's gonna love this because he said it once

908
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 10: under his breath and then now I keep saying out

909
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 10: every other.

910
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 2: Shield on it.

911
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 10: Yeah, and I keep making sure Matt Harmon said this,

912
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 10: make sure you clip this is that he said. I

913
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,480
Speaker 10: steal from Harmon to Oh no, he's not. He's like

914
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 10: a Die Cooke Mike Evans, And I was just like, oh, okay, yeah,

915
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 10: I know.

916
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:39,319
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, all right.

917
00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 10: Because I'm one of the higher guys on him, so

918
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 10: I'm using any ammunition I can get on them. But no,

919
00:36:44,040 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 10: I really like Boston, but I think the Steelers to

920
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 10: address receiver to have options more than other teams where

921
00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:51,720
Speaker 10: I'm like, well they have to get this guy. There's

922
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,440
Speaker 10: someone had the Chiefs taking Lemon. I was like, they

923
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 10: don't need another slot guy that has to be off

924
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 10: the ball. They need so and they need that. So

925
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 10: it's like he's more specific while Boston kind of fits all.

926
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 10: But the Steelers could take Lemon if that all makes sense,

927
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 10: Like they're a little their options are more open at

928
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 10: that spot.

929
00:37:08,840 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: The other thing I want to ask you about the

930
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 3: wide receiver position, So twofold question. First of all, how

931
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,719
Speaker 3: many of these guys are going to come in and

932
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: make an impact because the Steelers need somebody opposite Metcalf. Look,

933
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: I'd like them to develop the guy who then you

934
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 3: offer a second contract to four years from now, when

935
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 3: DK's contract comes up, he's your next number one. So

936
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 3: that opens up a world of possibilities for me at

937
00:37:28,480 --> 00:37:31,280
Speaker 3: different positions. But they need somebody that can help them

938
00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 3: right now. They don't need a guy that is gonna,

939
00:37:34,920 --> 00:37:38,400
Speaker 3: you know, project right, although I'd like that guy. So

940
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 3: how quickly are there separators in this group of ten

941
00:37:42,080 --> 00:37:43,320
Speaker 3: or so receivers that are going to go in the

942
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,480
Speaker 3: first two rounds of guys that are more NFL ready

943
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 3: or are more and more guys coming out NFL ready.

944
00:37:49,160 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 10: I'd say more guys coming out or NFL ready, which

945
00:37:51,560 --> 00:37:53,880
Speaker 10: is I think also to it like even this year

946
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 10: is getting described as, oh, it's a deeper receiver class.

947
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 10: It's like, I think every class is going to be

948
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 10: a deep receiver class because this is the smifications, the

949
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 10: trickle down of seven on seven right exactly, all right,

950
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,800
Speaker 10: everyone talks about the quarterbacks, well, who's catching the football.

951
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:08,439
Speaker 6: Who's covering the right corner.

952
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 10: Defensive back play has never been better than it is

953
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:13,080
Speaker 10: right now. So I think as far as tackling in space,

954
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 10: as far as understanding rules, defenses are really smart, and

955
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,439
Speaker 10: I think the defensive backs are really smart and more

956
00:38:18,440 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 10: technically sound than they used to be. So it's not

957
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,920
Speaker 10: a position it used to be. What year three is

958
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 10: when you see the that's right, and I think this class,

959
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 10: if you look at the consensus to kind of top four,

960
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 10: Tate Lemon to me Boston, and then Jordan Tyson from

961
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 10: Arizona State. Tyson is the ross of that group. Casey Concepcion,

962
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 10: which would another guy. He's a you can describe him

963
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,919
Speaker 10: as a gadget guy, but he's got more receiver to him.

964
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 10: But that's actually why I like him. Again, like he

965
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 10: brought up size. I'm always it's a trades league. Yeah,

966
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 10: keep trying to beat this over the head to people.

967
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 10: He's an undersized guy that I like because he plays

968
00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 10: like a real receiver, like he actually can do with

969
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 10: the outside stuff. He can run a real route tree

970
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 10: and all that. But again it's like those guys, he

971
00:38:57,719 --> 00:38:59,720
Speaker 10: might take a little bit to transition, have to start

972
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,120
Speaker 10: gad before he becomes more real receiver. But Boston, Tate

973
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 10: and Lemon to me or contributors not saying Pro Bowl

974
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,280
Speaker 10: year one, not saying Jamar Chase or anything. Pookin theakula,

975
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,600
Speaker 10: You're one goes round five. But I do think that

976
00:39:12,640 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 10: they can at least be that kind of eight hundred

977
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 10: yard range. You know, they're not messing up plays play

978
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 10: after play, like they can actually hit the ground running.

979
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 2: So that those kind of three.

980
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:21,759
Speaker 3: I love the people and that Matt brings in here

981
00:39:21,760 --> 00:39:25,720
Speaker 3: at yourself other experts. So on Tuesday, if I'm drafting

982
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 3: based on who we talk to with Concepcion, today it's Lemon.

983
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 2: Right, so similar architects.

984
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 4: Gordon getting on to Boston.

985
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm a big, big fan of Boston. I know.

986
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:39,320
Speaker 10: But that's the thing is, like I don't want to

987
00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 10: like dissuade and say like, oh no, it's not perfect

988
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,400
Speaker 10: for Steelers. It's like Steelers have more options while like

989
00:39:43,480 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 10: if the Bills or the Patriots drafted receiver, I'm like,

990
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,360
Speaker 10: only draft Boston. Yeah, Like they don't need a Lemon,

991
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 10: They don't need a Chiefs except yes, Chiefs are another one.

992
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:54,560
Speaker 10: They need Tait. Like it's like they don't need another

993
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,319
Speaker 10: undersized guy. Well, I think that Steelers because they have

994
00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 10: metcalf and the tight end room as well with Washing

995
00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 10: and they can go for a different flavor that has

996
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 10: maybe more underneath juice, that like just a different type

997
00:40:04,040 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 10: of skill set.

998
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:06,439
Speaker 7: So I know, you're on top of the prospects, we're

999
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 7: also on top of scheme and the coaching and play

1000
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 7: calling and all those type of things. And he touched

1001
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 7: on it, what should Steeler fans expect going from Arthur

1002
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,880
Speaker 7: Smith to McCarthy a lot more quick hitting passing, you know?

1003
00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:20,360
Speaker 7: That is I got to see who the quarterback is.

1004
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:20,840
Speaker 7: That's the other thing.

1005
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,719
Speaker 10: Let's assume it's Roger Okay, Simms, Rogers, Okay, weast slant flat, No,

1006
00:40:25,800 --> 00:40:28,480
Speaker 10: but it's it's it's as it's as West Coast, it's

1007
00:40:28,520 --> 00:40:31,239
Speaker 10: as traditional West Coast as it gets. And and McCarthy

1008
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 10: actually has gotten kind of like I wanna say, underrated,

1009
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 10: but he's like actually a better play caller on a

1010
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 10: play designer that I think maybe he gets credit for.

1011
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 2: He's good.

1012
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 10: No, it's just a lot of traditional NFL concepts. So

1013
00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 10: you're gonna see a lot of quick game. If it

1014
00:40:43,840 --> 00:40:45,880
Speaker 10: is Rogers, he's gonna have more freedom to do like

1015
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 10: you know, smoke Rouse to metcalf or he's signaling stuff.

1016
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 10: He's gonna give him that freedom, which is if that's

1017
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 10: good or bad, we will see in a few months.

1018
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,279
Speaker 10: I assume you're gonna get it. Yeah, yeah, exactly, just

1019
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 10: get it. But he it's gonna be a lot more

1020
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 10: gun heavy. It's gonna be a lot more yes plays

1021
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 10: at the line. Their attack was never really downfield as much.

1022
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 10: They didn't really kind of like work a lot of

1023
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 10: like high low concepts because Rogers was not really about that.

1024
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 10: If you notice even last year there's a lot of

1025
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,040
Speaker 10: times he just takes a one on one. Even if

1026
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,600
Speaker 10: it's Calvin Austin against that all pro corner, He's taking

1027
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:18,360
Speaker 10: a one on one. It's like yes, yes, yes, yes,

1028
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,839
Speaker 10: it's like read it out, read up the trip side.

1029
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,520
Speaker 10: But McCarthy's offense kind of plays into that a little

1030
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,400
Speaker 10: bit too. It's it kind of morphed into what Rogers preferred.

1031
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 10: But he that ball was out quick a lot. It

1032
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 10: was a lot of like a lot more quick hitters

1033
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 10: as opposed to Arthur wanted to do more downfield stuff.

1034
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 10: It wasn't perfect with Rogers, that's but what he wants

1035
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,440
Speaker 10: to do attacking over the middle.

1036
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 2: Do you think Rogers today fits McCarthy better than he

1037
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: fits Smith. Yeah, it's yeah.

1038
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:45,400
Speaker 10: It's just because that was just at times to me

1039
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 10: it was a little square peg round hole. And like

1040
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,480
Speaker 10: that example I just brought up where he took the

1041
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 10: one on one, I would see Arthur Smith designing something

1042
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 10: and I'm like, it's so like a classic you guys know,

1043
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:55,520
Speaker 10: but like a classic concept, like if you have a

1044
00:41:55,520 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 10: trip's concept, it's like I can work the trip side

1045
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 10: against a look or if I like my one on one,

1046
00:42:00,160 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 10: just take that.

1047
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 2: Rogers had Devanta Adams a lot of time.

1048
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 10: So I'm just gonna take the one on one and

1049
00:42:05,120 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 10: he like never untrained himself, if that makes sense.

1050
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 2: So Arthur Smith's like, we get to this good stuff.

1051
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:11,080
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1052
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 10: And Arthur also that offense ideally, if you looked at

1053
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:16,879
Speaker 10: what it was in Tennessee and even in Atlanta, whether

1054
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 10: it was Marcus Mariota, whether it was Desmond Raider, whether

1055
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 10: it was Ryan Tannehill, it was play action and then

1056
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,320
Speaker 10: play action with inbreakers. Rogers doesn't really throw dig routes anymore.

1057
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 10: He doesn't want to throw picks and he doesn't want

1058
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 10: to chase down the pick until it gets into two minutes,

1059
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 10: and then all of a sudden it becomes a totally different player

1060
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,200
Speaker 10: into two minute drills because he lets it loose. So

1061
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 10: it was never a perfect fit rate to totally unlock

1062
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:39,319
Speaker 10: each other. So they kind of try to do two

1063
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,680
Speaker 10: different silos, kind of trying You do a little of

1064
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,319
Speaker 10: your gammick and I do a little bit of my.

1065
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,759
Speaker 2: It's like two wrestlers like get your stuff in.

1066
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 10: And then I'm gonna get my stuff in and then

1067
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:49,400
Speaker 10: and then well we'll finish the match. That's what it

1068
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 10: kind of felt like. It was like, let's just get

1069
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,799
Speaker 10: through this, while McCarthy's just by default it's gonna like

1070
00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 10: work a little bit better or be more cohesive. Is

1071
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 10: he gonna care about the roading game McCarthy, Yes, and no,

1072
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 10: not as much as Arthur. Uh No, that's more of

1073
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,040
Speaker 10: a complimentary thing. It's it's West Coast. It's passed this

1074
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 10: up the run as opposed to you know, like Arthur's run, run, run, run,

1075
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 10: and that we're gonna launch stuff down the field. So

1076
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 10: it's gonna be more horizontally attacking, and then the run

1077
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:13,880
Speaker 10: game is going to be more you know, spread look running.

1078
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 2: But we're definitely see more receivers on the field and

1079
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 2: fewer tight ends.

1080
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 10: Yes, that's generally what you would do, at least in

1081
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 10: Green Bay. And I mean they had the skill the

1082
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 10: skill players for that. So again, but also in Dallas

1083
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 10: he was the same way as well.

1084
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 8: With with fewer tight ends and more receivers. There's also

1085
00:43:28,160 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 8: a lot of talk about, hey, we don't want to

1086
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,919
Speaker 8: flush Pat Fryarmouth these year for a reason. They paid

1087
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,320
Speaker 8: him for a reason. Last year was a regressional across

1088
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 8: the board.

1089
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:38,640
Speaker 2: What do you see, uh.

1090
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Speaker 10: For Harmouth, it's it's one of these things where he's

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Speaker 10: he doesn't have that plus plus attribute, like he's like

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00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,680
Speaker 10: a fine blocker, he's like a fine receiver. I did

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Speaker 10: think that the times that he stepped up was again

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00:43:48,640 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 10: those two minute drills, especially attacking down the seams, and

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Speaker 10: I think it was just Rogers just kind of just

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Speaker 10: didn't work to him. I think Farremuth is is like

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Speaker 10: a solid starter. That's how I view him kind of nationally,

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Speaker 10: and I think the thing is that doesn't have that

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Speaker 10: stand out aspect to his game that kind of just like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 10: he has to be on the field to run this

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Speaker 10: route or it has to be on the field. And

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Speaker 10: Rogers played favorites, and then Darnell Washington was obviously a

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Speaker 10: favorite of his, and then even running back wise, Kenneth

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Speaker 10: Gainwell was a favorite of his, and I think friar

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00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 10: Muth was like just ended up being kind of kind

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Speaker 10: of taking that like not the favoritism a little bit

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Speaker 10: kind of like drop down the rank kind of just

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Speaker 10: didn't get the usage that you would see. But I

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Speaker 10: do think he's like fine and solid. I want to

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00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 10: see more downfield stuff from him. He's attacking the seams,

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Speaker 10: I mean, and corner routes and everything again, but Rogers

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Speaker 10: is the quarterback.

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Speaker 2: You know, he might not run.

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Speaker 3: Say that yet by the way I went on, I

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00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 3: went full scale squirrel squirrel, squirrel like a dog on

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Speaker 3: the word slant because I didn't see a lot of

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Speaker 3: those on on third and two and And you know,

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Speaker 3: we've been talking a lot about Jacob Downs, who's not

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00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 3: a free agent with Indianapolis Wandale Robinson one of these

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Speaker 3: guys that just look not a lot of huge yard

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Speaker 3: per catch for Windell Better this year for the Giants

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Speaker 3: with the absence of neighbors, but just a guy who

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Speaker 3: can move the sticks for me, a guy who can

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Speaker 3: quickly beat somebody off the line. I know they want big,

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Speaker 3: physical receivers, but is there is there a market for

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00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 3: that for this year?

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Speaker 4: That's getting that guy that can just help you move

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Speaker 4: the sticks.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, and well that's where even the discussion about Lemon.

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Speaker 10: That's what Lemon's like, a souped up wand down like

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00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 10: and that that's kind of like that skill set that

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00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:18,440
Speaker 10: I think is what they want in this office.

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Speaker 4: You think it's lacking on the Steelers roster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, okay, just look at the receiver.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean because that was the thing is Rogers

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00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 10: wasn't pushing the ball last year, So if you're not

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00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 10: going to push the ball far like he truly had

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00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:29,200
Speaker 10: one of the lowest I think he actually reached out

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00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 10: to me about this. I meant to send to you,

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Speaker 10: but like, yeah, he had one of the lowest air

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00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 10: yards relative to the sticks, Like yeah, period.

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Speaker 2: Like one of the lowest deal ever. See it was

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Speaker 2: like him yea yeah.

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Speaker 10: So since twenty sixteen, it was him like an Alex

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00:45:41,320 --> 00:45:42,960
Speaker 10: Smith with the Commanders, and it's like that's not a

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00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 10: good area to be in. And if you are going

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00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 10: to attack underneath the guys, that can create YAK and

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00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 10: so that to me is like that's why you want

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00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 10: the lemons of the world. Those guys as supposed to Boston,

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00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:54,440
Speaker 10: who's a downfield ball winner DK actually works because K

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00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 10: one DK's best route. He's No, he's not. It's that

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00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 10: it always messes messes with people like what he pays.

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00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 10: He's a slant guy, like that's what he's best at,

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Speaker 10: is like quick hitters like and that it's yeah, he's

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00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:06,880
Speaker 10: not what people think he actually is. But that's if

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00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,759
Speaker 10: Rogers is gonna play this way, you then need guys

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00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:13,200
Speaker 10: that post Rodgers can contribute. But even in this little

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00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,800
Speaker 10: timeline that hey, we can take this two yard slant

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00:46:15,840 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 10: row or two yard flat route that we're gonna throw

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00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 10: a bubble and he can create a first down of it.

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Speaker 10: He can be the Randall cobb of this offense. That's

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Speaker 10: and that's what this offensive. Yeah, the Randall Cobbs of

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00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 10: this offense. Not just Jordy Nelson.

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Speaker 7: I know you're more offensive, but you dowed in with

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Speaker 7: Patrick Graham at all what they can expect defensive changes.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: I've always really respected Grim. He's kind of been like

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Speaker 10: the defensive coordinator on a lot of bad teams and

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Speaker 10: always a lot of bad players, a lot of bad players,

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Speaker 10: not great head coaches. And at the end of the

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00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:42,040
Speaker 10: year you're looking he's like, oh, they were like fourteenth

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00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 10: and like you know, TVOA and all these events stats

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00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 10: and you're watching it like they really sound they they

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00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 10: like when he was with the Giants, that was the

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00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 10: first time he caught my attention was when he was

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Speaker 10: with the Giants and he was doing some cool stuff

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Speaker 10: with Bradbury, h James Bradbury and just how they were

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Speaker 10: doing a lot of cover two rotations that a lot

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00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 10: of other teams do. Now he has Patriots, but he doesn't.

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Speaker 10: His style is not very patriotsy. It's kind of his

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00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:04,520
Speaker 10: own thing.

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Speaker 2: He kind of But what I've gathered though, is you

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00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: will change week to week. He adapts. Okay, that's what

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 10: That's my biggest compliment I give to him is that

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Speaker 10: he is a very good game player, Like as far

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Speaker 10: as week to week, like he'd be great for playoff

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00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 10: football that he's just never gotten the coach of those guys, Yeah,

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Speaker 10: would like him and a guy I'm not even saying

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Speaker 10: it's a one to one comparison, but as far as

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00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 10: like how good they are week to week with their

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00:47:27,280 --> 00:47:29,239
Speaker 10: third down stuff. Is like Lou and Aroumo in the

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00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 10: sense where it's like, Okay, this week he's doing this thing.

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Speaker 2: This week he's leaning into this way.

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Speaker 10: Sometimes they get caught because it's like, Okay, the game

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00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 10: plan wasn't great, But he's adaptable.

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Speaker 2: I think that's why I like Graham a lot.

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Speaker 7: No, he's always been kind of like a Steelers haven't

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Speaker 7: traditionally been very adaptable.

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Speaker 6: Defense.

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Speaker 2: No, running the.

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Speaker 10: Same coverages for fifteen years. I mean they get beat

1203
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,399
Speaker 10: by the same I mean the people have gone out. Yeah,

1204
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 10: they're getting beat by the same routes every single time.

1205
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 10: They're doing spot drop and there's the ball going over

1206
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 10: Wilson's head in the scene.

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Speaker 2: Again, Graham adapts.

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Speaker 10: So like even last year, Pete Carroll comes in, they

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00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 10: tried to do some hybrid stuff and then and then

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00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 10: you could tell by the end of the year when

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Speaker 10: Pete was kind of losing power there. It's like, okay,

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00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 10: that defense kind of got a little more grammy in

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00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:09,360
Speaker 10: a good way. But no, I really like him, but

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00:48:09,440 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 10: what I've seen is more too high stuff. But again,

1215
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:13,080
Speaker 10: that's hard to say that that's what he does because

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00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 10: he changes it depending on his personnel.

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Speaker 3: Nate tays, Yahoo Sports Football Analysts has been our guest.

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Speaker 3: We could again talk with you all day, but I

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Speaker 3: know you got other people beating down the door for you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much for the time. Really appreciate it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for having me, guys, good stick around. Much more

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Speaker 3: coming up from the Combines in Indianapolis. Familiar on the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: Let me make a line change right bye.

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Speaker 3: Mike West coming in when we return on southeris Nation Radio,

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