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Speaker 2: How's everybody doing it?
Speaker 3: Doing well?
Speaker 8: Doing well? Back in the building.
Speaker 3: Sorry guys, to have you back.
Speaker 8: Yeah, last couple days have been a little bit of
Speaker 8: a hustle and bustle, but back in the building.
Speaker 2: But we held it down.
Speaker 7: Brian had some good questions for us yesterday, so we
Speaker 7: had a good discussion yesterday. Maybe some of those topics
Speaker 7: come up today. We'll get your opinions on them. Let's
Speaker 7: start first, though, with some injury updates. Obviously, the Cowboys
Speaker 7: roster is a mass unit and uh and they're just
Speaker 7: kind of managing right now.
Speaker 2: Let's start first with Marshaw Neelan.
Speaker 7: Obviously, after being injured in the game, the expectation is
Speaker 7: he's gonna miss some weeks. They did actually sign and
Speaker 7: got to the practice squad last week. kJ Henry Brian,
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 8: I don't think signed to active ross, active active roster.
Speaker 7: Sorry, I don't think we got a scouter report on
Speaker 7: him last week.
Speaker 4: We'll see what I could do for you to give
Speaker 4: me a little scouter report. Let me let me see
Speaker 4: if I could do that for you. All right, sent
Speaker 4: day g ag, you.
Speaker 3: Want to do it?
Speaker 4: Got that scouting report to pull it up? I got
Speaker 4: it right here, watch me, watch me do this.
Speaker 8: Just trying to buy time with me, trying to buy
Speaker 8: some time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just wanted to make sure I had it
Speaker 4: because I got all these scouting reports in my head.
Speaker 7: The consummate radio guy knows you can't have dead air,
Speaker 7: so he's like, can.
Speaker 4: You okay, kJ Henry, this he's he was on the
Speaker 4: Cincinni practice squad and I watched him on the Commanders.
Speaker 4: He was a fifth round pick by the Commanders in
Speaker 4: the twenty twenty three NFL Draft, and he's.
Speaker 3: Got really good link.
Speaker 4: I like the way that he could play off blocks
Speaker 4: because of the link. I think that helped him. I
Speaker 4: saw some redirect skills in him. I didn't see a
Speaker 4: guy that was just up the field and then you know,
Speaker 4: and then got stuck. Like he was able to kind
Speaker 4: of come back and make some play. They played him
Speaker 4: as a stand up guy at times, so stand up,
Speaker 4: hand down both with the with that the read option
Speaker 4: stuff I thought was pretty good. They got a game
Speaker 4: against Carolina preseason game where they had to were kind
Speaker 4: of doing some of that read option stuff, and he
Speaker 4: looked like he was playing with some pretty good discipline
Speaker 4: and not to get fooled on that. The good patience
Speaker 4: balance good with his inside moves. I thought he closed
Speaker 4: down quickly on the plays that went away from him
Speaker 4: and squeezed the hole pretty well. Movement from the.
Speaker 3: Backside is really good.
Speaker 4: Good can gain some ground with that first step and
Speaker 4: finds his way to the corner, can capture. But I
Speaker 4: think he needed to be more consistent doing that. I
Speaker 4: kind of felt like that he got there, but he
Speaker 4: couldn't exactly get around it with any kind of real
Speaker 4: consistency there. So I'm really pressed with the way he
Speaker 4: was able to kind of control blockers and how he
Speaker 4: extends on blockers, and so I felt like that there's
Speaker 4: gonna be some depth with the current group that you
Speaker 4: got surprised he wasn't active the other day, and I
Speaker 4: guess he just wasn't ready to play. Maybe he didn't
Speaker 4: know what was going on. But I saw him as
Speaker 4: a positive player. You know, when you start to poach guys.
Speaker 4: He was a guy my Gang of seven if you're
Speaker 4: new to the show, My Gang of seven, or my
Speaker 4: guys and gals around the league, the general managers and
Speaker 4: player personnel, guys that do the film every weekend. I
Speaker 4: asked him for three names of guys to go poach,
Speaker 4: and he was the top name on four.
Speaker 3: Of the seven. Okay that they said that.
Speaker 4: My guy said, hey, if you're gonna go poach an
Speaker 4: Edge kJ Henry from Cincinnati was for the seven had
Speaker 4: him as the top guy.
Speaker 8: So here we go. In your opinion, why was he
Speaker 8: relegated to a practice squad in Cincinnati this year?
Speaker 4: You know it's I don't know, it's Cincinnati and Cincinnati
Speaker 4: struggling with her defense too. You know, maybe the maybe
Speaker 4: the thing that bought that that teams are that we're
Speaker 4: looking at of him, it's the probably the pass.
Speaker 3: Rush stuff's because he's just.
Speaker 4: Not I didn't see a guy that was that. We
Speaker 4: always talk about the Bendi being able to kind of
Speaker 4: get to the and then find his way to the quarterback.
Speaker 4: That was a little bit of a struggle for him,
Speaker 4: Like he he kind of gets there, but it just
Speaker 4: doesn't have that ability to capture that then go. And
Speaker 4: I kind of felt like maybe that's where people are
Speaker 4: kind of knocking him a little bit on his Did.
Speaker 3: You remember him? Do you remember him coming out of college?
Speaker 1: Not?
Speaker 8: Actually really? Yeah, this is a new name whenever he
Speaker 8: popped up last week.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well he was, uh, Like I say, I was.
Speaker 4: I was impressed with the ability, some of the athletic
Speaker 4: ability that he showed, But the pass rush stuff, I
Speaker 4: think that it's gonna take a little time there maybe.
Speaker 7: But you know, honestly, if you tell me he's a
Speaker 7: better run defender than he is a pass rusher, I'm
Speaker 7: comfortable with that in the short term. Knowing that you
Speaker 7: got to have to make just kind of make things
Speaker 7: go right now. And the worst thing you can do
Speaker 7: is get somebody who can't stop the run, yeah, because
Speaker 7: they already got problems there. So I look at it
Speaker 7: and that, to me, that would be a win.
Speaker 3: He at least shows how to play the run. Well,
Speaker 3: that's the thing.
Speaker 4: And the opportunities he got, you know, so that the
Speaker 4: discipline I think when you when you the one thing
Speaker 4: to Dallas has kind of struggled with a little bit.
Speaker 4: And boy, it'll be a different type of running game
Speaker 4: this week that we're going to talk about here in
Speaker 4: a few minutes. But but but still, yeah, you know,
Speaker 4: as far as the depth piece and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: the right size, the length. You know, I'm hey, you
Speaker 4: know what if for my seven guys and gals say, no, man,
Speaker 4: take a look at this guy. I mean, he's a
Speaker 4: guy that we would go get and I would I
Speaker 4: trust that Dallas did the right thing here, you know,
Speaker 4: instead of just signing somebody off the street that they're
Speaker 4: gonna have. This guy's been practicing, he's been playing, he's
Speaker 4: been in a training camp. You know, all those things
Speaker 4: are kind of positives going forward.
Speaker 7: One other name Cowboys look like they're expected to sign
Speaker 7: a new defensive end to their practice squad.
Speaker 2: Luigi Villain. Is that how you pronounce it? Is Luigi
Speaker 2: or Luigi Luigi?
Speaker 8: I hope it's Luigi Villain, but I think it's Vilaine.
Speaker 2: And actually Villain is so much better.
Speaker 7: Right, I was like, this is a perfect wrestling name, right, Yeah,
Speaker 7: Oligi Villain, like the perfect Nino sixty four.
Speaker 4: Now I don't know anything about Luigi. Yeah, I don't
Speaker 4: know anything about Luigi because I was working on the Lions.
Speaker 2: Well, we'll figure that figure out.
Speaker 7: But he's on the they're signing to practic QA likely
Speaker 7: is he will probably wouldn't be up this week anyway,
Speaker 7: catch right, Probably the guy that's gonna.
Speaker 4: We don't study the practice squad d But when about that,
Speaker 4: I think it's the active call we'll study.
Speaker 7: But the point is they're doing more, They're getting more bodies,
Speaker 7: and I think that's really the key to this is
Speaker 7: that they're going to need bodies to be able to
Speaker 7: sustain them.
Speaker 4: I think the point you made yesterday because I tried
Speaker 4: to convince you to go trade for a defensive end
Speaker 4: and you weren't biten. His reason for not trading, I
Speaker 4: asked him, and I'll ask you this question, though, do
Speaker 4: you think this do you think this front off is
Speaker 4: now it's imperative that they go and trade for a
Speaker 4: legitimate defensive end.
Speaker 8: The thing is, if you go and you trade for
Speaker 8: a legitimate defensive end, I almost said a name that
Speaker 8: would have been back. I got to get back in
Speaker 8: the framework if they went and traded for a legitimate
Speaker 8: defensive end that is potentially on the market. You're getting
Speaker 8: him for three four games in an increased role, right,
Speaker 8: and he's expected to come in and play those three
Speaker 8: four games as your guy. He's going to be great.
Speaker 8: But then once Michael Parsons comes back to Marcus Lawrence
Speaker 8: comes back, Marshaw k Neelan comes back, Sam Williams comes
Speaker 8: back next year, what do you do with this guy?
Speaker 4: Well, see, this is the thing about it is you're
Speaker 4: thinking about six games for kneel in six games for Tank,
Speaker 4: so you.
Speaker 8: Know, definitely, yeah, you need some help. Yeah, but is
Speaker 8: there enough confidence from you for what Chauncey Golson and
Speaker 8: Tires Wheat and Carl Lawson did on Sunday against Oh.
Speaker 3: No, it helped my soul that they played well.
Speaker 4: But see But when we talked about when we talked
Speaker 4: about the playing against the Steelers, remember it was kind
Speaker 4: of like, well, they've got some issues that they've got
Speaker 4: some issues that tackle, and you're about to play a
Speaker 4: team this might be the best offensive line you play
Speaker 4: against all year.
Speaker 3: You'll find out this might be the best one.
Speaker 2: Better than better than when they're fully healthy.
Speaker 8: I think so, Yeah, I think so too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it depending on what happens with Frank ragnow the center,
Speaker 4: you know what.
Speaker 3: His situation is.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there, this is this is going to be
Speaker 4: a legitimate that this is going to be hang on
Speaker 4: to your you know what, because it's this is going
Speaker 4: to be tough. They're gonna have to.
Speaker 3: So we'll see. We'll see.
Speaker 4: With Wheat and Golston and those guys, it's how they
Speaker 4: play against. I felt like that they matched up well
Speaker 4: enough against the Steelers, But who matches up well against
Speaker 4: these guys. I mean, obviously the Buccaneers went to Detroit
Speaker 4: and beat them, but everybody else, I mean, Seattle in
Speaker 4: these games. I'm watching the Arizona game and just you know,
Speaker 4: it's pretty tough up front.
Speaker 5: So you guys talk about the players that are expected
Speaker 5: to come back to injured guys, and I love how
Speaker 5: everyone is just we're expecting them to return. It'd be great,
Speaker 5: be good, like and this I'm not trying to be negative.
Speaker 5: Maybe it's just the anxious person. No, it's the anxious
Speaker 5: person in me that I'm always dealing with anxiety and
Speaker 5: I'm always thinking worst case scenario and I dealing with
Speaker 5: all that. But it's like, we know that when players
Speaker 5: return hurt it takes them a while.
Speaker 2: I don't know that that. I don't know that I
Speaker 2: agree with that.
Speaker 7: When you're talking about a player returning in season and
Speaker 7: a veteran player like say Micah or Tank. Yes, for
Speaker 7: Sam Williams, that would be concerned after he miss is
Speaker 7: an entire year and then comes back after that year
Speaker 7: and returns coming off an injury, this should be concerned about,
Speaker 7: like how long is it going to take him to
Speaker 7: ramp up to getting.
Speaker 2: Back to what he was?
Speaker 7: But I don't know if that's necessarily the case when
Speaker 7: you're talking about veteran guys that miss a few weeks,
Speaker 7: like they've gone through training camp, they played a few games,
Speaker 7: they get hurt, they're out for a few weeks, and
Speaker 7: then they come back.
Speaker 2: I don't know that.
Speaker 7: I necessarily think it's going to take ramp up time
Speaker 7: for them to get back to playing as they were
Speaker 7: playing before.
Speaker 5: Oh no, I do think so with certain players. I mean,
Speaker 5: not everyone's turn Smith that can get hurt and then
Speaker 5: when he comes back, he's playing at a high level.
Speaker 5: And I hope I'm wrong you're saying that. But it's
Speaker 5: just something to keep in mind that even when they
Speaker 5: were healthy, they weren't playing at such an amazing level yet.
Speaker 8: So that's another I think.
Speaker 5: About just the defense in general, overall unit everyone put together.
Speaker 5: That's another thing that it was also a problem. Man.
Speaker 4: You just thinking about Pollard and Steel and there has
Speaker 4: been a history up until late.
Speaker 3: I mean if you think about the guys.
Speaker 2: Out for longer periods of time though, is what I'm
Speaker 2: saying though.
Speaker 3: Right, Oh no, I mean for the year, That's what
Speaker 3: I'm saying. That's what. Yeah, I see where.
Speaker 5: You're expected to return a law sooner because you're in season,
Speaker 5: so you're you're doing what you can. So I don't know.
Speaker 8: I mean, I'm again, it's anxiety just like type of situation.
Speaker 4: What the problem is now is when we looked at
Speaker 4: the schedule in May, when it came out and you're like,
Speaker 4: you play the win loss game and you're thinking, oh, Atlanta, Commanders.
Speaker 4: I saw a stat the other day, Dallas is only
Speaker 4: a forty eight chance at best to win if win
Speaker 4: any of those games. I mean there's some they're like,
Speaker 4: you know, the Commanders, what you would say, Commanders, how.
Speaker 2: Much are they going to win by?
Speaker 3: That was the question, Atlanta, let's go, you know.
Speaker 4: But now it's like this row of games coming up
Speaker 4: and you're going, damn, but they're gonna win any of them.
Speaker 4: But these players, that's what I'm saying, Yeah, you're gonna
Speaker 4: miss all these like you this week when we start
Speaker 4: to talk about the Lions and where you can attack,
Speaker 4: what are their tackles? Is who you need to go
Speaker 4: after and we'll get into that, But this is a
Speaker 4: game you would love to have had Micah just for
Speaker 4: the reason of they could He could break this guy
Speaker 4: down and I don't know if the others can't.
Speaker 3: But that's that's the problem I'm running into right now.
Speaker 4: I'm just don't feel like I feel like I'm kind
Speaker 4: of showing up at a fight and I don't have
Speaker 4: all the weapons.
Speaker 7: Yeah, no doubt, but fight the battle to your point
Speaker 7: about the schedule and looking at the schedule, I think
Speaker 7: there's there's already been those moments too where you didn't
Speaker 7: think New Orleans when we saw the record, we were
Speaker 7: like they saw the schedule, we were like, Okay.
Speaker 3: That's kind of where they are right now. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 7: And then but then the flip side of that is
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh was probably better than what I thought they were
Speaker 7: when the schedule came out, and Cowboys going to win
Speaker 7: that one.
Speaker 2: So the NFL is just a strange lady. You just
Speaker 2: never know what's going to happen, and you don't know
Speaker 2: it's too early.
Speaker 7: In the year to know who's really good and who's
Speaker 7: really not, and and like where you're seeing things that
Speaker 7: really will matter as the as the season plays out.
Speaker 4: I just I'm looking at the Commanders every week, and
Speaker 4: they had defense is thirty first in most categories, their
Speaker 4: offenses first or second, and everything else. It's very much
Speaker 4: a it's a it's a weird team. Is if you
Speaker 4: could deal with their offense, you got a chance. If
Speaker 4: you don't, they're probably gonna beat you. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 4: a weird, weird season.
Speaker 7: The Yeah, I watched that that whole game last week
Speaker 7: because we were at the hotel waiting for our game.
Speaker 7: And yeah, they look really good, especially offensive.
Speaker 4: Cleveland kind of can be a little bit of a trainer,
Speaker 4: but Cleftand's defense, You feel like Cleveland's defense is pretty good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that offense and that that Washington offense looks really
Speaker 7: good right now. And they got a number of guys
Speaker 7: all yeah, it's crazy the number of guys that can
Speaker 7: actually get you on any given play.
Speaker 4: Well, Cliff Kingsbury, the OC there has learned how to
Speaker 4: run the ball. You finally figured out how to run
Speaker 4: the ball to go with all the craziness that he
Speaker 4: throws at you.
Speaker 8: You have three running backs, so you can hand it
Speaker 8: off to.
Speaker 2: It makes no doubt easier. Three good running bock knock.
Speaker 2: All right, we're gonna take our first break when we
Speaker 2: come back.
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Speaker 7: let's talk about this Detroit offense. I want to start
Speaker 7: at the part of this offense that I think can
Speaker 7: be most problematic. Like Pittsburgh, they run a lot. They
Speaker 7: are fourth in the league and rush attempts. Unlike Pittsburgh,
Speaker 7: they're very good at it. Now they're sixth in the
Speaker 7: league at rushing yards. Give me a scatony report on
Speaker 7: David Montgomery and jamieer Gibbs.
Speaker 4: Yeah, two of the better backs that you're going to face,
Speaker 4: and they they're really interchangeable. The great thing about them
Speaker 4: is that they it doesn't matter who is in the game.
Speaker 3: They like to They're a team.
Speaker 4: That run the ball from underneath center, so you know
Speaker 4: you'll see a lot of the you'll see Golf take
Speaker 4: the snap and he'll walk the ball to These backs
Speaker 4: play right directly behind like a like an I formation
Speaker 4: set up. And these backs both have tremendous patients. They
Speaker 4: will allow blocks to develop. And when you look at
Speaker 4: this offensive line in the way they block, it's pullers,
Speaker 4: it's trappers, it's pinners, it's there's a lot of movement
Speaker 4: going on and usually when you can and they'll play
Speaker 4: with heavy personnel. And I'm saying this because of the backs,
Speaker 4: because of how patient they are, but you sometimes you'll
Speaker 4: find they'll have a move guy and he'll move and
Speaker 4: he'll take you right to where the ball's going. And
Speaker 4: then sometimes they'll have the guy move and he'll come
Speaker 4: back and block back, but the ball will still go
Speaker 4: to the front side. So they like to get a
Speaker 4: lot of blockers at the point of attack. Okay, to
Speaker 4: do all this, you have to have backs that are
Speaker 4: very patient.
Speaker 3: In the way they run.
Speaker 4: They're just not gonna fire it up in there and
Speaker 4: then get stopped for three yards. They're gonna let this
Speaker 4: thing develop a little bit. They're gonna cut it. They're
Speaker 4: gonna they're gonna they're gonna take it front side. They're
Speaker 4: gonna explode. They're very, very difficult to uh to deal
Speaker 4: with because of the running style is very similar. They're
Speaker 4: tough fronters. They find holes, they have good vision. You
Speaker 4: can toss it to them, you can hand it to
Speaker 4: them inside, it doesn't matter. They're gonna make guys miss,
Speaker 4: usually make the first guy miss and then get and
Speaker 4: be problems for you on the second level.
Speaker 7: That being said, it sounds like in order to be
Speaker 7: successful you have to have a defensive front that's smart
Speaker 7: and disciplined. How much is that a concern knowing that
Speaker 7: they have a lot of players that are again just
Speaker 7: getting accustomed to playing and with together as a unit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the bigger problem you run into. Dallas's losses this
Speaker 4: year have been with offensive lines that are able to
Speaker 4: get blockers up on them. This group right here, when
Speaker 4: you watch them block as a unit, they're not interested.
Speaker 4: They're much like what we saw with the Ravens and
Speaker 4: much like what we saw with the Saints. It's like
Speaker 4: they will take a step, they will shove a guy
Speaker 4: and then go. They're not interested in staying on sustaining.
Speaker 4: It's like they're good enough that they trust rag now
Speaker 4: Zeitler Uh Penny Seel. They trust that those guys will
Speaker 4: one on one be able to block. So when they
Speaker 4: combo block, it's not like stay on, secure the down
Speaker 4: guy and then get second level. Dallas has played well
Speaker 4: against teams that can't get blockers up on them. This
Speaker 4: is going to be a challenge this week because you're
Speaker 4: going to get They're going to shove Mazzy Smith to
Speaker 4: the next guy and then they're gonna go. They're not
Speaker 4: gonna even try, and you know it's like, hey, you're
Speaker 4: good enough.
Speaker 3: Take him, I'm going up.
Speaker 4: That's how these guys block, and that that's why their
Speaker 4: running game is so good, because they're able to handle
Speaker 4: those one on one blocks and then get it up
Speaker 4: to the second level. So these linebackers for the Cowboys
Speaker 4: are gonna be fighting it all day with guys in
Speaker 4: their face. It's it's going to be it's going to
Speaker 4: be really, really a tough matchup.
Speaker 7: I saw some interesting next gen stats on golf and said,
Speaker 7: he attempted deep passes and that will be twenty plus
Speaker 7: air yards just five point six.
Speaker 2: They don't the attempts. They don't do it the.
Speaker 7: League and six the seven of those passes went to
Speaker 7: Jamison Williams, who will talk about in a second only
Speaker 7: two completions out of that. My question is, how do
Speaker 7: you disrupt golf? Like he obviously still has the ability
Speaker 7: to get the ball out, He's got good receivers. They
Speaker 7: still are moving the ball through the air. How do
Speaker 7: you disrupt what they do in their passing game knowing
Speaker 7: that again they're not really too worried about trying to
Speaker 7: go deep on you.
Speaker 4: No, and that's why it's hard to disrupt him because
Speaker 4: the line is good as pass protectors. Where they do
Speaker 4: struggle a little bit though, is with the is with
Speaker 4: the blitz pick up stuff. Well, like Gibbs, you know,
Speaker 4: when you look at pressures, where where I think you
Speaker 4: need to attack if and this is where if Micah
Speaker 4: was available or even tank, but someone's got to figure
Speaker 4: out a way to get after Taylor Decker at the
Speaker 4: left tackle. He's the one that allows the most pressures.
Speaker 4: He's the one that can you could break down Penny
Speaker 4: Sewel on the other side.
Speaker 3: He's really really good on the on that right side there.
Speaker 4: So if they have a problem in a couple of spots,
Speaker 4: Decker at left tackle, if Ram Glass now plays center
Speaker 4: instead of Frank Ragnow. These are funny names with the
Speaker 4: ow last name endings, but if Ragnow doesn't play, that
Speaker 4: puts Glass now at center.
Speaker 3: Now he struggles more at center than he.
Speaker 4: Does at guard. That's where this is where the disruption
Speaker 4: is going to have to happen. Because this team loves
Speaker 4: to throw the ball in the middle of the field.
Speaker 4: There's I'VE i've When you watch these routes, you watch Williams,
Speaker 4: Saint Brown, Raymond Robinson, Patrick, all these all these routes
Speaker 4: are coming to the middle of the field. That's what
Speaker 4: they want to do. Nobody throws more routes to the
Speaker 4: middle of the field, in breaking routes, crossing routes than
Speaker 4: these guys. So that's the that's the the idea is, though,
Speaker 4: You've got to get people to him quick because he
Speaker 4: is going to he's going to find that crosser, whether
Speaker 4: it's a shallow crosser or somebody in the intermediate range.
Speaker 4: It's funny to watch him play. You're right, they don't
Speaker 4: throw the ball on the field at all. I mean
Speaker 4: you don't see anything going deep at all, which is surprising.
Speaker 4: You know, Dallas is kind of giving up some deep balls.
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll try it just with you know what you
Speaker 4: mentioned with Williams just running vertical, but they just don't
Speaker 4: run vertical routes. Everything is inbreaking. Everything is where where
Speaker 4: the ball can get out quick. And you know that's
Speaker 4: that's the issue they're they're they're not going to let
Speaker 4: this quarterback get hit. But when they do let him
Speaker 4: get hit, it's Sheerley Taylor Decker on the left side,
Speaker 4: he's the one that gives up pressures and sacks. And
Speaker 4: then also too, it's Graham Glass now, the center who's
Speaker 4: playing backup for Frank Ragnow. Now if Glass now has
Speaker 4: to play guard, he will play left guard. If if
Speaker 4: Ragnow plays this week, so then that will be the
Speaker 4: next pressure point, the left side, left tackle and the
Speaker 4: left guard.
Speaker 7: We're starting to hear the possibilities that de Ron Bland
Speaker 7: might return in some capacity.
Speaker 3: To twenty five plays. I heard.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so if he's back, and hope maybe that you
Speaker 7: get Carson back as well. Talk to me about how
Speaker 7: they can against these guys, particularly Saint Brown and Williams.
Speaker 7: I think those are the two guys you worry the
Speaker 7: most about. We'll get to Sam Laporta in a second
Speaker 7: at the tight end position, but as the receivers, those
Speaker 7: are two I think you worry about the most. How
Speaker 7: does Dallas matchup?
Speaker 3: Got thoughts on that one?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think here with with Jamis and Williams specifically,
Speaker 8: he's starting to really unload his back and in this season,
Speaker 8: I think he's finally starting to find his footing dealt
Speaker 8: with the suspension, kind of bounce back from that, and
Speaker 8: I think he's comfortable with the offense. Now you pair
Speaker 8: him with am and Ross Saint Brown, who in my opinion,
Speaker 8: is one of the better route runners in the entire league,
Speaker 8: then you have a guy who could stretch the field. Now,
Speaker 8: again they haven't been doing that, but he is a
Speaker 8: guy that can and.
Speaker 2: He has one touchdown on a deep ball this year.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you definitely got to keep him honest, But with
Speaker 8: Jamison Williams. He's got a little bit of physicality off
Speaker 8: the line that I think could disrupt either Bland or Carson.
Speaker 8: Considering that they're both dealing with or not dealing with,
Speaker 8: but coming back from injuries, I think that physicality could
Speaker 8: lead to a couple of issues if either of those
Speaker 8: guys were to match up. I personally like Bland on
Speaker 8: am and Ra a little bit better and digs On
Speaker 8: Williams a little bit better. I think that would be
Speaker 8: the favorable matchup for the Cowboys if they were to
Speaker 8: line up against these guys on any given play. But
Speaker 8: I do wonder if they're trotting Bland out in this
Speaker 8: limited role, you say, twenty five plays, Brian, then can
Speaker 8: those two guys build consistency as the game goes on.
Speaker 8: Is it a situation where they throw Bland out until
Speaker 8: he hits twenty five snaps or do they rotate Carson
Speaker 8: and Bland in. I think that's probably what the solution
Speaker 8: will be. And if that's the case, then how can
Speaker 8: these guys build a rhythm against a really talented receiver
Speaker 8: in Jamison Williams. Because what Jamison Williams is going to
Speaker 8: do is he's going to pick up every single tendency
Speaker 8: that each of those two guys have, and as they
Speaker 8: come off the field and then come back on, He's
Speaker 8: going to attack them whenever they come back on. So
Speaker 8: he's a talented receiver. He comes from really a solid
Speaker 8: pedigree from his college and high school days. I think
Speaker 8: he's a guy you definitely got to be able to
Speaker 8: keep honest in this game. He is coming into his
Speaker 8: own as an NFL receiver. He is just as deadly
Speaker 8: as Am and Row.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think he's absolutely right about that, and you can
Speaker 4: throw with their. Tim Patrick, though, too, has made some
Speaker 4: places for him.
Speaker 2: Can he come from Denver to Tim Patrick?
Speaker 8: He did? You mentioned Sam Will And I look at
Speaker 8: this as a situation for a Marris Luifel or Marvin
Speaker 8: Overshown to be able to cover. I've been kind of
Speaker 8: toying with this idea in the last few the last
Speaker 8: couple of weeks, specifically, when do you start rotating Markue's
Speaker 8: bell in for Donovan Wilson, especially on passing downs. I
Speaker 8: think there's a situation here where you look at it
Speaker 8: and if you want to send Marius Luifel on a
Speaker 8: third down blitz, which he has that type of ability,
Speaker 8: then you need a safety to be able to cover Laporta.
Speaker 8: Bell's your guy. Bell's your guy that could do that.
Speaker 8: He proved to do that last year. I wonder whenever
Speaker 8: there is a situation when Bell comes in on passing
Speaker 8: downs and they keep Wilson on the field for running downs,
Speaker 8: I think that would be more beneficial for this defense.
Speaker 4: You know what, I wouldn't be opposed to putting Jordan
Speaker 4: Lewis on him too.
Speaker 3: Seeing that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean early in the season Laporta had an
Speaker 4: ankle or foot injury and it was causing he wasn't
Speaker 4: running routes down the field.
Speaker 3: He's back to running routes down the field now.
Speaker 4: And I would not be opposed to if I'm going
Speaker 4: to get beat by Tim Patrick or somebody like that
Speaker 4: playing eleven personnel or whatever, so I'm not good enough
Speaker 4: then if I'm getting but if I you know, if
Speaker 4: I had to cover, if I had to play out
Speaker 4: of the slot, you know, I mean, Saint Brown is
Speaker 4: a pain in the rear, There's no question about that.
Speaker 4: But I would maybe mix it up a little bit
Speaker 4: with the coverage between him and Laporta, with Jordan Lewis
Speaker 4: and just trying and throw they throw the rhythm off
Speaker 4: a little bit by the Lions, like, we can't go
Speaker 4: where they're putting. They're putting their one of their best
Speaker 4: cover guys on one of our better receivers. And you
Speaker 4: know that, you know that Lewis will battle him. You
Speaker 4: know he'll stay with him, He'll battle him, He'll make
Speaker 4: it a contesting catches and stuff. Laporta doesn't. I don't
Speaker 4: think this guys have dropped a ball this year. By
Speaker 4: the way, I was just sicking. I was curious.
Speaker 2: The whole team.
Speaker 4: Yeah, the their skill guys. I don't think they have
Speaker 4: a drop with their skill guys. I mean, and I
Speaker 4: think that includes the backs. I might be wrong about that,
Speaker 4: but I was looking at numbers and I was like, going,
Speaker 4: these guys, don't you're gonna spell check me on this.
Speaker 8: I'm looking here. That would be crazy.
Speaker 4: I think I saw a deal with well, you watch,
Speaker 4: if you watch the Seattle game, the guy didn't.
Speaker 3: Miss a pass.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was really I don't.
Speaker 3: Think they have a drop this. I don't think that
Speaker 3: the receivers have a drop on.
Speaker 8: The First thing that popped up is the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 8: Last year. They had four costantly drops in the second half,
Speaker 8: so maybe that was emphasise this off. Yeah, stat anywhere
Speaker 8: working on that.
Speaker 4: I think I was looking Yeah, I think I was
Speaker 4: looking at on the next on our next gen stuff,
Speaker 4: and I was just curious, like, do these guys drop
Speaker 4: the ball?
Speaker 3: Because the quarterback was like.
Speaker 4: Eighteen of eighteen in that Seattle game, and I'm like, God, well,
Speaker 4: I guess I haven't seen any but uh, but yeah,
Speaker 4: this is It's a I would consider because Laporta is
Speaker 4: is going to be tough to deal with. But you know,
Speaker 4: like I say, Jordan Lewis is a tough, tough guy himself.
Speaker 4: I mean, I sure consider it.
Speaker 7: You know, take me back to last year when these
Speaker 7: two teams matched up. It seems, if my memory serves
Speaker 7: me correct, Sam Laporta didn't really have It wasn't until
Speaker 7: closer to the end of the game that he really
Speaker 7: got going and then he had some big plays for them.
Speaker 2: Is that how you guys remember it?
Speaker 7: And and how did Dallas necessary Do you remember how
Speaker 7: maybe Dallas approached that last year with regards to Laporter.
Speaker 8: You mentioned just whenever he was able to kind of
Speaker 8: find his rhythm in that game.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm saying I'm saying it seemed like most of
Speaker 7: the game he wasn't really making big plays on Dallas.
Speaker 7: Towards the end of the game, I think he made
Speaker 7: a couple of big plays on them. But that being said,
Speaker 7: I was just wondering if Dallas even last year did
Speaker 7: they consider using Jordan Lewis. Was Jordan Lewis a part
Speaker 7: of the equation on how you how you take care
Speaker 7: of Sam Wilson.
Speaker 8: I believe he was. I can't recall specifically, but I
Speaker 8: will mention just in general what I think worked against
Speaker 8: Detroit last year and the referees eligibility for sure, Skipper.
Speaker 7: I think somebody, oh Skipper was losing his mind, so
Speaker 7: he was part.
Speaker 8: Of all that he won the only one. Dan Campbell
Speaker 8: was about to come on.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I think what worked in that game last year, that
Speaker 8: was a game that I expected them to lose by
Speaker 8: two scores. I think what worked for them in that
Speaker 8: game is they matched Detroit physicality and it blew my
Speaker 8: mind because you didn't see it the rest of the
Speaker 8: season or before that, And I think that's very similar
Speaker 8: to what they had to do in this game. You know,
Speaker 8: I talked about this team needing to be tough, and
Speaker 8: I think if they can match the physicality of a
Speaker 8: Detroit Lions team, of a Detroit Lions tight end like
Speaker 8: Sam Laporta, who does play physically, especially at the point
Speaker 8: of attack and especially at the catch point as well,
Speaker 8: you have to be able to line up with him
Speaker 8: and throw a hand on.
Speaker 2: Give me some examples of that.
Speaker 7: When you say they matched their physicality, tell me some
Speaker 7: things that stood out to you, some specific things that
Speaker 7: stood out to you where you were like, this is
Speaker 7: what I'm this is what you need to see from
Speaker 7: this team from the standpoint of the physicality.
Speaker 8: Yeah, more so trench work, because that was where I
Speaker 8: expected them to just get overwhelmed last year. But you
Speaker 8: look at de Moont Clark, that was a game that
Speaker 8: I really appreciated from him last season. I mean, dwonk Clark.
Speaker 8: It looks like he's just a guy you're not going
Speaker 8: to see on the defensive side too much for the
Speaker 8: rest of the year with the linebackers that they have
Speaker 8: on the team right now and kind of how that
Speaker 8: snap share has been going around. But if we're talking
Speaker 8: about last year's game, look at the front, look at
Speaker 8: de Marcus Lawrence. I mean, he was really active in
Speaker 8: the run game. So it's really tough that you don't
Speaker 8: have him in this game with these two running backs,
Speaker 8: specifically with Jamiir Gibbs, because DeMarcus Lawrence does such a
Speaker 8: good job against outside zone type running backs. That is
Speaker 8: what Jamiro Gibbs is. I will say, though, he is
Speaker 8: starting to find his rhythm between the tackles. Finally, I
Speaker 8: think once he really does find his stride there, he's
Speaker 8: going to be a top three running back in the league.
Speaker 8: I firmly believe that. But David Montgomery, I mean, he's
Speaker 8: a guy you have to respect too when it comes
Speaker 8: to physicality. He's a guy that will take it, go
Speaker 8: down the hole and he'll lay a pop on you.
Speaker 8: And I think with guys like Eric Kendricks Demarvin Overshow
Speaker 8: shown so much physicality these first few weeks, those are
Speaker 8: gonna have to be guys that phil run lanes and
Speaker 8: lay a pop on these guys and make them rotate
Speaker 8: off the field for a couple of plays, because you
Speaker 8: saw that happen last year. And then as they're working
Speaker 8: down the field on drives, guys are having to rotate
Speaker 8: out and that's offensively. Defensively, you don't really see that
Speaker 8: with Detroit in most games, unless they do play a
Speaker 8: Tampa Bay who can match their physicality with guys like
Speaker 8: Tristan Wurf's up front. I think he did such a
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Speaker 8: you look at the Cowboys case, specifically, you want Tyler
Speaker 8: Smith to get after it and get nasty. You want
Speaker 8: Cooper bb to do that as well. Well, it's gonna
Speaker 8: be really imperative in this game.
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Speaker 7: played all season. So I want to figure out how
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Speaker 7: Okay, so have some names for you guys, these are
Speaker 7: all defensive players. Oh yeah, real quick, real quick.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I went back and looked at Sam laport by
Speaker 4: the nearest defender. In last year's game, Marquis Spell carried
Speaker 4: in for two snaps, two targets, two receptions thirty two yards.
Speaker 4: Javon Curse had him for three, three targets, three receptions.
Speaker 4: So against your safeties, he was he was five for five.
Speaker 8: Well, let's make a distinctly bell as a linebacker.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, they called him a taftyar.
Speaker 4: Donovan Wilson had him for three and he only had
Speaker 4: one reception for fifteen yards. Shooting well, Clark was one
Speaker 4: for one. He had eight yards on that catch. Stefan Gilmore,
Speaker 4: oh for two. Gilmore took put a corner on it.
Speaker 3: Put a corner. How about this Bland?
Speaker 1: Oh for one?
Speaker 3: There you go, and they put the corners on him.
Speaker 3: He went oh for three.
Speaker 8: Something that they do like to do with little Porta
Speaker 8: is they like to isolate him on one side of
Speaker 8: the ball. But they'll like put him in the slot. Yeah,
Speaker 8: and they'll have like three receivers to left right. They'll
Speaker 8: isolate him on the side with like a Gilmour or
Speaker 8: a bland type of corner I'm talking about. Like with
Speaker 8: other teams, he's able to beat them a little bit better. Yeah,
Speaker 8: because he has he has some wiggle.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 4: He's a really talented This is a bunch formation team too.
Speaker 4: They'll get you real tight in there and stuff, and
Speaker 4: so gotta be ready for that. But it looked like
Speaker 4: the corners. Actually maybe maybe maybe we're onto something here.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's your answer.
Speaker 3: Maybe I need to tell Mike k Mike listened last
Speaker 3: year and they put corners on this dude and they
Speaker 3: didn't have a catchy man.
Speaker 7: All right, they listen, They listened, Hi, Mike, they listen.
Speaker 2: All right, let's let's talk here. I got here's some
Speaker 2: names for you.
Speaker 7: I've got some defensive players, and I want you guys
Speaker 7: to tell me, give me some evaluations on what you
Speaker 7: saw from this last game and what you project that
Speaker 7: to be going forward. Let's start first with Carl Lawson defenceman.
Speaker 8: I think when you look at his h his ability
Speaker 8: to pass the rush or past the past the rusher,
Speaker 8: rush the passer. He does passed the rusher a lot.
Speaker 8: He does, he does, he does, he does. But I think, uh,
Speaker 8: I think there is an ability that he can kind
Speaker 8: of unlock a little bit more, and it may just
Speaker 8: be a product of him missing the majority of camp,
Speaker 8: coming in late and then you know, obviously not really
Speaker 8: finding his footing just yet. But I think there is
Speaker 8: another level that he could take. He's on the active
Speaker 8: roster now. I would assume with the with the way
Speaker 8: he's been playing overall, then there's probably a way to
Speaker 8: keep him on the active roster even when Parsons and
Speaker 8: Lawrence come back. Yeah, but I think overall, you're wanting
Speaker 8: a little bit more from Lawson. I think when I
Speaker 8: look at all three of these defensive ends in general,
Speaker 8: I don't want to get to ahead of ahead of
Speaker 8: ahead of you. Here, Golston's been the one that I've appreciated.
Speaker 3: We'll get Like what you said, Agent.
Speaker 5: I mean the way he watched him last game, Golston,
Speaker 5: I mean the way he played and the way he
Speaker 5: just is so aggressive and powerful and just goes for it.
Speaker 8: Uh, He's great.
Speaker 5: I love him, Lawson. It's just kind of like with
Speaker 5: the rest of everybody else in that position, you just
Speaker 5: want to see more from him. But I think for
Speaker 5: what is being asked, given the scenario that he's being
Speaker 5: placed in he's been okay. Like he I see him
Speaker 5: more of like your band aid type of guy that
Speaker 5: he serves as a body and a presence that is
Speaker 5: there in the absence of these other guys that are
Speaker 5: not being there right now due to injury.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's band Aid's like an amputation that we're trying to.
Speaker 2: The throat.
Speaker 4: You feel that way when position it feels it feels
Speaker 4: like it feels like I've lost my arm and it's
Speaker 4: just blood is and like, here's Carl Lawson.
Speaker 3: Standing there going he's trying to as blood's scoring. Even
Speaker 3: a tournique, it ain't working. This is some blood loss.
Speaker 3: The thing with loss in the next we've talked about.
Speaker 4: The schedule ahead, there's the you know, this game forty
Speaker 4: nine ers, it's not going to get easier, I mean,
Speaker 4: and the games that he's going to have to play,
Speaker 4: he's going to have to. If you can, somehow, some
Speaker 4: way get Carl lost into five years ago, that would
Speaker 4: be awesome. You're probably not going to get that, But
Speaker 4: don't be the guy that's a liability out there. You know,
Speaker 4: if you can play the run, if you get off
Speaker 4: a block, if you get occasional pressure too, I'm not
Speaker 4: asking to get two three sacks a game or anything
Speaker 4: like that. I'm just asking you come up with a
Speaker 4: pressure to play some run defense. Don't jump off sides
Speaker 4: when it's third down and they throw the ball and
Speaker 4: you intercepted and now you're now you know they get
Speaker 4: a free play. You know, play with some discipline, be
Speaker 4: a veteran, be a leader, do what you have to
Speaker 4: do to keep your job on the fifty three when
Speaker 4: everybody starts to come back.
Speaker 8: I will say his first two elevations that he had
Speaker 8: ahead of the Pittsburgh game, you saw him trying to
Speaker 8: play a little bit more of that hero ball. And
Speaker 8: when that was mentioned in the locker room, he wasn't
Speaker 8: the first guy that I thought, But when I went
Speaker 8: back on tape, he was one of the guys that
Speaker 8: you could probably look at on a few plays and
Speaker 8: be like, Okay, he's trying to do a little bit
Speaker 8: too much, maybe not knowing what's going on. SI man,
Speaker 8: he's leaving some guys out to dry, especially in the
Speaker 8: second level. You didn't see that as much at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 8: He's really starting to play with the unit. Now, well
Speaker 8: he's got to figure it out as well. I mean
Speaker 8: from locker room interactions to just kind of seeing them
Speaker 8: when I was with you guys just around the building
Speaker 8: and whatnot. He didn't really talk to anybody for a
Speaker 8: long time while he was here. After the game in Pittsburgh, him,
Speaker 8: Chauncey GOLs and tyres Wee, they were inseparable and they
Speaker 8: were in the locker room. They were chopping it up.
Speaker 8: They were laughing about how Carlawston somehow got attributed with
Speaker 8: the half sack. They were like, you didn't deserve that,
Speaker 8: but they were laughing back and forth about it. It
Speaker 8: was the first time I've seen Carlawston really integrate with
Speaker 8: any of these guys since he's been here. I think
Speaker 8: that's you talk about locker room stuff. That is big,
Speaker 8: especially with those guys right now, because those three guys
Speaker 8: really have to come together and they can't. They can't
Speaker 8: isolate either one. They can't try to play hero ball.
Speaker 8: They have to play together as a unit or it
Speaker 8: will not work until they get Parsons and Lawrence back.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll give my GELTT shout out to my guy
Speaker 7: Alex Lily on Sounds of the Sideline, same thing he
Speaker 7: captured them on the.
Speaker 2: Sideline talking about that. Yeah, he sent it out.
Speaker 7: We sent it out this morning. But it was a good,
Speaker 7: good video as usual. But they were talking about the
Speaker 7: same thing at that time and kind of joking around
Speaker 7: like I don't know half sack. I don't know he
Speaker 7: was already down whatever.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was good.
Speaker 8: It was that Carlawston ended up did getting the half
Speaker 8: sack and they're like, oh whatever, Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: But it's true though.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think I think a lot of times
Speaker 7: when you go to a new teams people don't necessarily
Speaker 7: think about that integrating into a locker room with fifty
Speaker 7: three guys when you're from from outside and these guys
Speaker 7: have been around each other, they know each other, a
Speaker 7: lot of them been around each other for years.
Speaker 8: He didn't know anybody.
Speaker 7: Yeah, sometimes breaking into that can be a little difficult,
Speaker 7: especially if you're not playing. And so I do think
Speaker 7: him actually playing on the field gives them that that
Speaker 7: opportunity to bond. And you talked about the three guys
Speaker 7: that primarily were playing defensive end for you last weekend,
Speaker 7: and that that becomes a bonding point. You go through
Speaker 7: adversity with somebody, that becomes a bonding point. So hopefully
Speaker 7: that that continues and their chemistry continues to grow.
Speaker 2: As a part of that as well.
Speaker 7: Talk to me about Mazzie Smith. What you guys see
Speaker 7: from Ozzie Smith last week, right.
Speaker 3: It was much. I think he was better against the Giants.
Speaker 4: I still feel like, though the effort is really good,
Speaker 4: his pad level gets him in trouble at times. And
Speaker 4: it's not I don't think it's because of conditioning and
Speaker 4: things like that. I think he just forgets to play
Speaker 4: with ben de knees and fire off the ball and
Speaker 4: control blockers. Did a great job against the Giants doing that.
Speaker 4: Played low, played square, played where he I mean this
Speaker 4: one he it wasn't getting late, it was just he
Speaker 4: gets too high at times. He gets a little he
Speaker 4: gets in and instead of staying down, he plays up
Speaker 4: and then it allows to catch him. And you know,
Speaker 4: here was a team that was not going to get
Speaker 4: any blockers up on the second level. So he was
Speaker 4: fighting double team blocks really the whole day. But he
Speaker 4: was too high a couple of different times. He got
Speaker 4: to play a better knee bend, got to do a
Speaker 4: better job of getting rid of guys and playing with power.
Speaker 4: He'll have his hands full this weekend with you now,
Speaker 4: if Glass now is the center. That's a little bit
Speaker 4: different story. Rag now will snatch you and you know
Speaker 4: you've got to be ready for that. But he's got
Speaker 4: to play with better bend at knees in these games.
Speaker 8: I agree with your point on him being better versus
Speaker 8: the Giants. Again, that was a career game for him.
Speaker 8: I think something that helped him against Pittsburgh that I
Speaker 8: think could be a trend as you look forward into
Speaker 8: the season, Limball Joseph helped him out a lot more.
Speaker 8: And the since that he rotated on the field, he
Speaker 8: was pushing some guys on their butt and Limball Joseph
Speaker 8: had his best game is now with Cowboys like he
Speaker 8: was in shape.
Speaker 7: But my hope is that now that's where he's getting
Speaker 7: like he's a good player. We all thought he was
Speaker 7: a good player when they signed him. He just had
Speaker 7: to get there because he didn't do training camp.
Speaker 8: And I think when you look at Mazzie Smith's case,
Speaker 8: whenever you get put on your butt and then you
Speaker 8: have a really athletic type of one tech because he's
Speaker 8: he's not an athletic person, but when you factor in
Speaker 8: that he is what he is at nose tackle, he
Speaker 8: is an athletic being and whenever you have to account
Speaker 8: for that after getting put on your butt, it's difficult.
Speaker 8: And you saw some of those snaps where he would
Speaker 8: rotate on for the first couple of snaps and he
Speaker 8: would be able to beat some guys. He would able
Speaker 8: to be able to slide over, you know, reach around
Speaker 8: and be able to grab some running lanes. I think
Speaker 8: that that was really big limbal Joseph being able whenever
Speaker 8: he did rotate in, it wasn't pedestrian work, it was
Speaker 8: it was Mazzie Smith was able to rotate back in
Speaker 8: with these guys still reeling, that really hasn't been the
Speaker 8: case these first four weeks.
Speaker 5: Right well, I think, why am I this way? I
Speaker 5: don't understand, but I I think with him, my bar
Speaker 5: is set so low that right now it's not right
Speaker 5: now like I feel positive about him, you know, like
Speaker 5: I'm like, Okay, that's two games in a row where
Speaker 5: he's showing progress. And more importantly for me, this thing,
Speaker 5: the mental part of it, where he's willing to keep
Speaker 5: fighting and he's willing to stay in there because we
Speaker 5: know how last year was and we talked about this
Speaker 5: over and over during training camp, just kind of the
Speaker 5: the verbal beat down that he was receiving from his coach,
Speaker 5: and that can really mess you up mentally, and you
Speaker 5: don't know, like you know, A'm I even made out
Speaker 5: for this. It can mess you up in that way.
Speaker 5: But I like his tenacity and wanting to just keep fighting,
Speaker 5: and just now you're trying to get a little bit
Speaker 5: more of consistency from him. Is not fully there, but
Speaker 5: you're starting to see moments of it where it's positive
Speaker 5: plays here and there. Yeah, exactly, so imp but again
Speaker 5: my virus said, like all the way down here, but
Speaker 5: he so I'm feeling okay with him obviously year two.
Speaker 5: For a guy like that where you picked him in
Speaker 5: the draft, you want to see a lot more from him,
Speaker 5: but hopefully he'll get there.
Speaker 8: I had an off the record conversation with Jonathan Hankins
Speaker 8: in the locker room last year, and I won't share
Speaker 8: anything from that conversation because it was off the record,
Speaker 8: but one could because he was when people do that,
Speaker 8: because it was a point out, some point that he
Speaker 8: made that is always stuck in my head with Mazzie Smith,
Speaker 8: and if if I didn't have this point in my head,
Speaker 8: I probably would have gave up completely on Mozzie Smith
Speaker 8: after last season, and after a couple of weeks in
Speaker 8: training camp too, because I just didn't see it even
Speaker 8: after we were an Oxnard for a little bit, but
Speaker 8: he said, He's like, hey, I respect you, but the
Speaker 8: nose tackle position, no one really understands how hard it
Speaker 8: is to come into this league and play nose tackle
Speaker 8: early in your career and succeed at it. He's like,
Speaker 8: there's not a lot of guys that do that. Aaron
Speaker 8: Donald's done that. There's been a slow handful. He's like,
Speaker 8: go back and look at me. When I was first
Speaker 8: starting my first two three years, it was the worst
Speaker 8: football played in my career, including college. And then he
Speaker 8: we look up and he's fourteen years in a league
Speaker 8: or however long it's been. So I've always factored that
Speaker 8: in because he's right, I don't know what it takes
Speaker 8: to be able to play at the nose tackle position,
Speaker 8: and so I've kind of factor that in. And now
Speaker 8: as he's starting to put these good games together, that
Speaker 8: conversation is really starting to key back into my brain
Speaker 8: like he may have been onto something there and it
Speaker 8: may may be coming along a little bit quicker for
Speaker 8: Mazie than it did for Handkins. And if that's the case,
Speaker 8: that's a beautiful scenario for the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: That's a great story because it does it does give
Speaker 7: you some perspective from someone who has that to do it.
Speaker 7: And now that we look at him, we say he's
Speaker 7: been a he's had a really good career for defensive
Speaker 7: tackle in the NFL one technique and so, uh yeah,
Speaker 7: that's that's good perspective.
Speaker 2: All right, Appreciate you guys. You know, we'll be back tomorrow.
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