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Speaker 1: Hello Texans, and welcome to the show that gets you

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Speaker 1: in touch with your Texans from inside the building at

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Speaker 1: RT Stadium, the Hunday Texans Radio Studio. Mark Vandermyer with

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Speaker 1: you joint tonight by John mcclaint. John Harris will be

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Speaker 1: with us later plenty to talk about tonight, but let's

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Speaker 1: kick it off with the general John Jack Easterby. Let's

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Speaker 1: go over some Texans stories of the week. Jack Easterby

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Speaker 1: hired by the team formally with the Patriots executive vice

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Speaker 1: president of team Development. Your thoughts on his acquisition. First

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Speaker 1: thing I noticed about him was Sunday Mike Reeves, who

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Speaker 1: does a tremendous job covering the Patriots for ESPN dot Com,

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Speaker 1: wrote in his Sunday Notebook about multiple teams where after

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Speaker 1: easter being including the Texans, they already means an executive

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Speaker 1: vice president of team development, and he just praised the

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Speaker 1: heck out of him. And then I tweeted his story

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Speaker 1: on Patriots dot Com, not sure when it was done,

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Speaker 1: quoting a bunch of players about how valuable he is

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Speaker 1: to them. And yeah, he's worked in the NFL. He's

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Speaker 1: worked and scouting, He's worked in different departments, side that

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Speaker 1: he needed a different calling. Went to theology school and

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Speaker 1: he's a He was a chaplain there. They call him

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Speaker 1: character coach in there somewhere, but I think he's a

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Speaker 1: kind of guy. He comes in here and he listens

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Speaker 1: to anything players, coaches, they want to talk to him about.

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Speaker 1: He's confidant, he's a psychologist, he's a therapist. Players. The

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Speaker 1: Patriots saying you could call him in two in the morning.

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Speaker 1: They knew he was asleep, but he would always act

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Speaker 1: like he's awake. And then how he played a key

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Speaker 1: role in helping them win three Super Bowls. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's really impressive right there. This is the Patriots, and

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Speaker 1: this is a guy that they know about him Boston

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Speaker 1: if you read enough Patriot material. But it wasn't like

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Speaker 1: he was a national name, although people in the league

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Speaker 1: knew him because a lot of teams were after him.

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Speaker 1: He was in Kansas City where Romeo Gredell was. He

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Speaker 1: helped him get through Bob Belcher's murder suicide, and they

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Speaker 1: brought him New England right after the Aaron Hernandez what

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Speaker 1: do you want to call it, arrest arrest and helped

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Speaker 1: them get through I think the suicide and all that,

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Speaker 1: But if multiple teams are after a guy, then that's good.

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Speaker 1: I think another thing this shows is that the mc

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Speaker 1: naires now with Janis and cow, if Bill O'Brien and

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Speaker 1: Brian Gaine say we need some extra money for this,

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Speaker 1: they want to know who it is and why courting O'Brien,

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Speaker 1: and then they'll tell them what they think. And they

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Speaker 1: said they're not never gonna let resources financial resources stand

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Speaker 1: in the way of O'Brien and gain Jamie Roots, who

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Speaker 1: runs administrative side, what they think they need to do

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Speaker 1: to make this organization better. And this is a good example.

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Speaker 1: Some of it. You might not know it's him. It

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Speaker 1: just might make little bits of differences in team performance

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Speaker 1: and individual players performances and coaches performances. Maybe I think

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Speaker 1: that we will never know the story. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: the story on Patriots dot com head quotes by him

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Speaker 1: or if it just by other people. But you know,

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Speaker 1: seen many going on and on about how much somebody's

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Speaker 1: individual basis. So it looks like a really good hire.

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Speaker 1: But the Texans will never know exactly how much he

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Speaker 1: because he's certainly not going to be telling us how

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Speaker 1: much he means to the team. John Andre Halle retires

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Speaker 1: and it was a surprise to many, including me. And

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Speaker 1: my first question was is it health related? He was

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Speaker 1: very clear to say, no, it's not health related. He's

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Speaker 1: just done. Your thoughts, your level of surprise when you

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Speaker 1: found out the news. I was very surprised, as I'm

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Speaker 1: sure the Texans were, because they thought they were gonna

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Speaker 1: have Tyrn Matthew justin Reid. With Andrea hal coming off

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Speaker 1: Sean Gibson, which I think was a really good signing,

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Speaker 1: mainly because he's been a productive starter for Jacksonville, but

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Speaker 1: also he's done a terrific job when asked to cover

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Speaker 1: tight ends and the Texans could not. And since a

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Speaker 1: Jay Boyer left and so how doing this, they got

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Speaker 1: to find a third safety. I know they got some

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Speaker 1: great for Andre with Vanderbilt. He's a smart guys, really popular.

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Speaker 1: You can imagine the mental stress that was on him

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Speaker 1: last year when he was diagnosed in May, and when

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Speaker 1: an amazing success story. And now everybody wishes Andrea Howe

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Speaker 1: the best for the rest of his life. John Somebody

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Speaker 1: didn't play last year for the Texans, but he played previously.

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Speaker 1: Shane Lechler announced his retirement. He got a lot of love.

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Speaker 1: What about Lechler calling it quits finally, he said, when

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Speaker 1: I've played eighteen years. That's enough. He's got two daughters

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Speaker 1: involved in multiple softball teams in sports. He and his wife,

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Speaker 1: Aaron have their hands full with them. And so Aaron

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Speaker 1: had closure, he never talked to anybody to make an

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Speaker 1: hundred and eighty people, including many Texans it was Redneck

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Speaker 1: Aaron's got me going to some friend's birthday party out

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Speaker 1: And when he went in and they yelled surprise, his

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Speaker 1: And he was just amazed. She kept it quiet because

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Speaker 1: was ready to talk and make it official. The coolest

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Speaker 1: thing and Number One Mark I'm hoping that he will

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Speaker 1: be part of the Class of twenty and twenty of

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Speaker 1: the Texas Sports Hall of Fame. I'd give the Texans

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Speaker 1: three in a row. Gary Kubiak, Andre Johnson. I was

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Speaker 1: there for both of them, and Shane Leckler and the

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Speaker 1: thing he was the proudest of. Besides putting eighteen years,

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Speaker 1: long enough well when you know, you know. And it's

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Speaker 1: very different when you look at a guy like Andre

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Speaker 1: be good for a long time. So he said, you

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Speaker 1: but then he quickly got over it. Bill O'Brien was

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Speaker 1: place right now. I asked him, I said, what about

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Speaker 1: lying if I said I don't think about it. That's

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Speaker 1: everything I can control. The key as now isn't enough.

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Speaker 1: When does the clock start ticking the last year he's

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Speaker 1: is eligible for the first time. Now. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I think Shane will follow his buddy Ray guy. They

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Speaker 1: reason that people can keep him out, you know, they

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Speaker 1: talk about I saw some arguments about Gronk not being

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Speaker 1: a first ballot because he only played nine years. Shane

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Speaker 1: I think that will really bode well. And then Stad

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Speaker 1: then in a Pro Football of Fame sometime in the

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Speaker 1: next six or seven years. Yeah, Gross Punning can sometimes

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Speaker 1: certainly deserves to get in. Speaking of all the fames,

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Speaker 1: it's good for you that Andre Johnson didn't say he

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Speaker 1: It's good for me, yeah, because he said he wants

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Speaker 1: means Brian Gaine and Jamie Roots better look out. In fact,

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Speaker 1: I ought to say, Andre, you know what you should

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Speaker 1: Brad him sees it every year. Okay, he's been doing

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Speaker 1: Brad Sham, No, we don't put people. We only did

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Speaker 1: that one time, put media into the Pro Football of Fame.

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Speaker 1: That was the way that came about. Dave Campbell, who

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Speaker 1: gonna vote, and we did, and then it went so long.

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Speaker 1: He came by after the funeral to talk to the people, Well,

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Speaker 1: who John nominate? And he walks in and every guy

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Speaker 1: a special ceremony, as he should. But he said, oh no,

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Speaker 1: something like that and his wife laying down to him.

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Speaker 1: He said he loves it, he just won't say so.

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Speaker 1: And we did it in conjunction with the Texas the

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Speaker 1: Touchdown Club of Houston. We did it at the GWe

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Speaker 1: And that's right, you did you remember as Dave Campbell,

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Speaker 1: Micky Hursk, which Dan Jenkins Blackie shared Current, the late

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Speaker 1: Texas Tech and Verne Lunquist, those eight in What an

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Speaker 1: John This week, Alfred Blue, drafted by the Texans twenty fourteen,

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Speaker 1: You know, what they tried to do was cut back

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Speaker 1: on expenses. They weren't letting everybody eat on the team plane,

427
00:21:54,640 --> 00:21:56,879
Speaker 1: and they thought that that might help. But then it

428
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Speaker 1: started where they couldn't function in the way need to

429
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Speaker 1: function to try to compete, and now people aren't gonna

430
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Speaker 1: get paid. Michael mccannons Sports Illustrators wrote a great thing

431
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Speaker 1: about the legalities that I read today about the even

432
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Speaker 1: though the league didn't last long, the lawsuits could last

433
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Speaker 1: for years, and pointed out what they all were and

434
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Speaker 1: I never paid any attention to it. I'm sorry they're

435
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Speaker 1: out of business. I wish it had worked. But it

436
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Speaker 1: doesn't surprise me because since I've been covering the NFL

437
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Speaker 1: going back to nineteen seventy seven, I've seen so many

438
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Speaker 1: leagues come in and fold because he couldn't keep up

439
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Speaker 1: with the NFL. They all want to be the American

440
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,399
Speaker 1: Football League. They want to compete, and they want to

441
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Speaker 1: have a merger. They want to teach. I think these

442
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Speaker 1: guys have the right idea, though they did. USFL had filthy,

443
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Speaker 1: rich owners and it was gonna work. In the spring

444
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: and then they started signing players coming out of college

445
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:53,320
Speaker 1: like Reggie White and Microzier. And then some owner named

446
00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,960
Speaker 1: Trump convinced them to go against the NFL and backfired.

447
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 1: They got three dollars out of it to split among

448
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 1: the owners ship and that was well funded. Yeah, but

449
00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 1: no wealthy person likes to lose money. That's how they

450
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:09,080
Speaker 1: get to be wealthy, that's the thing. And they're not

451
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 1: gonna draw well enough and in most cases, and whatever

452
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 1: they draw is not going to really pay for everything

453
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: they need to pay for. And if there's no TV money,

454
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:18,480
Speaker 1: you're dead. How are you going to make money? The

455
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: only way it would survive. And I don't know anybody

456
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Speaker 1: that doesn't think the NFL needs to developmental league problem.

457
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 1: You have to say, with eight teams, you could have

458
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Speaker 1: you could have each team representing four NFL teams, but

459
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:34,720
Speaker 1: they may play four different systems. You'd like to have

460
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Speaker 1: one where say the Texans had a minor league team

461
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,960
Speaker 1: in San Antonio and they played the offense the same

462
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Speaker 1: way Bill O'Brien does, they played the defense the same

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Speaker 1: way Romeo Cornell at three to four and players who

464
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Speaker 1: played there didn't need that big mental adjustment on the

465
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Speaker 1: technical stuff when they got to the NFL, and the

466
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,920
Speaker 1: Texans would supply players and they would sign their own

467
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Speaker 1: as well practice squad players. You couldn't force veterans to go,

468
00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,240
Speaker 1: even if they hadn't played much. But in the NFL

469
00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:07,760
Speaker 1: would fund it and be on TV, and it would

470
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: it would They still lose money, and that's why they

471
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Speaker 1: folded NFL Europe. NFL Europe had a lot of players

472
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Speaker 1: played in the NFL, Kurt Warner being the biggest. But

473
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Speaker 1: owners don't like losing money. But I think the network

474
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Speaker 1: still like the viewership they think CBS did. That wasn't

475
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Speaker 1: the issue. So here's here's what the NFL could do

476
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Speaker 1: in the next round of negotiations, which are going to

477
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Speaker 1: be interesting because of all the digital media out there.

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Speaker 1: But you say, look, we want the developmental league as well.

479
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Speaker 1: We'll offer this to you. Is programming. We need a

480
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Speaker 1: few extra bucks to at least cover the costs and

481
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:43,080
Speaker 1: make a little extra money and for the players too, obviously,

482
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Speaker 1: So that could work, I guess, but maybe they just

483
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 1: don't want to watch. They could work and it would

484
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 1: be good for the NFL, but they're gonna lose money

485
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Speaker 1: unless they could find a way to make money on gambling.

486
00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 1: That was a big deal here that people would gamble

487
00:24:57,160 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 1: on the NFL couldn't wait to gamble on the American

488
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 1: Football Lions. And I don't think that worked out like that.

489
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 1: Maybe some more states will approve gambling by the time

490
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Speaker 1: the collective new collective bargain agreement is in place. And

491
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Speaker 1: that thing about the gambling app and that owner, that

492
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:16,600
Speaker 1: was not true. Mike Florio wrote about that today. He

493
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,480
Speaker 1: didn't have access to that just because he lost seventy

494
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Speaker 1: million of the two hundred and fifty million he pledged.

495
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: I told you a million times. Why in the world

496
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Speaker 1: with a wealthy person want to invest in a minor

497
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Speaker 1: football league, right, There's there's no notoriety to it, or

498
00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: very little anyway. They like a big splash. It's not

499
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Speaker 1: a big splash unless you absolutely love to donate money

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Speaker 1: to that kind of entertainment. Then what's the point. They

501
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:43,360
Speaker 1: got a lot of publicity, A lot of publicity besides

502
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Speaker 1: being on network, INFL network and who else some other network, well, CBS,

503
00:25:48,760 --> 00:25:51,280
Speaker 1: CBS broadcast. If they got a lot of attention on

504
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 1: social media, in newspapers, on talk shows, they couldn't have

505
00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 1: gotten any more publicity, and that owner that owned the

506
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 1: league from the Carolina Panthers was acting like if the

507
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 1: NFLPA didn't give them the bottom of the wrong players,

508
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,280
Speaker 1: they go out of business. You think all of a

509
00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:09,360
Speaker 1: sudden more people are going to show up to see

510
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:12,120
Speaker 1: bottom of the wrung NFL players. Of course not. Maybe

511
00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,159
Speaker 1: it could have been the Budweiser Football League or the

512
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 1: Coke Football League or something like that. Maybe maybe that's

513
00:26:16,920 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 1: not a good name, d MGM Football League. John, what

514
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Speaker 1: about the chronicle? What are you have going on? Let's

515
00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 1: see Aaron Wilson and I. We have a new Mark

516
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 1: draft that was posted Wednesday. We have a podcast that's

517
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Speaker 1: posted earlier today. We discussed the draft, Andre hell a

518
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 1: lot of things you and I've just discussed. And then

519
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Speaker 1: Sunday I'm writing to call them about the Texans and

520
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:40,639
Speaker 1: the rest of the AFC South. Nice. Thank you very much,

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Speaker 1: Thank you very much. Mark. That's the general, John McClain.

522
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Speaker 1: John Harris joins us. Next, let's talk about the Green

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Speaker 1: Bay thirty for thirty to be they're not officially announcing

524
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Speaker 1: that there will be one, but there has to be,

525
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Speaker 1: right with all this Green Bay drama, And we'll get

526
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Speaker 1: John Stoughts and everything else going on with the Texans.

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Speaker 1: It's coming out mob Texans Radio. Here in the Hunday

528
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Speaker 1: Texans Radio studio, Mark Vandermerji Harris with you now as Johnny.

529
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Speaker 1: There's so much to discuss here. I don't even know

530
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Speaker 1: where to begin because when we go around the league

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Speaker 1: here and look at Mike McCarthy and Aaron Rodgers. Oh wow,

532
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Speaker 1: the thirty for thirty, when's it coming out? I've got

533
00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 1: to see this. It's got to. I mean it's got

534
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 1: to if they can get enough people to talk about it.

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00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think Rogers has to retire first. But

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Speaker 1: this article that came out and Bleacher Report that we're

537
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Speaker 1: talking about, and they go over the decade of McCarthy

538
00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: and Rogers together and yeah, there was a lot of success,

539
00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 1: but the feeling is there could have been more. That

540
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:38,480
Speaker 1: McCarthy under performed as a head coach with such a

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Speaker 1: talent like Rogers. But Rodgers is not exactly exonerated. They

542
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: talk about how he's difficult to live with, he holds grudges,

543
00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 1: he thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. This

544
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,920
Speaker 1: is me sort of paraphrasing, para quoting, if you will,

545
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Speaker 1: if that's a word. The article just to kind of

546
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:54,880
Speaker 1: get you up to speed. So it's not like anybody

547
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,320
Speaker 1: gets out unscathed here, but I think a lot more

548
00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 1: blame goes on McCarthy than Rodgers. Yeah. Ti Dunn, who

549
00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:05,440
Speaker 1: wrote it for Bleacher Report, did a tremendous reporting job.

550
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Speaker 1: I mean it's a long one. You're gonna you're gonna

551
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 1: need some time that you're gonna need some fifteen to

552
00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: twenty minutes. Um. I got I read to eat lunch

553
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: today and I was like, wow, I finished lunch before

554
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: I could finish the article. The kind of thing I

555
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 1: started on my phone and I was regretting that I

556
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:19,520
Speaker 1: started it on my phone the same I thought I

557
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 1: could get through it, and it was just like it's

558
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: a there's a lot there book, and Greg jennings Is

559
00:28:25,040 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: is a guy that is quoted often in that story,

560
00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: and it's just I it goes to show. I think

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Speaker 1: the one thing that I took out of there, Mark

562
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Speaker 1: is there's so much that the general public doesn't see

563
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 1: at all as it pertains to professional organizations. So when

564
00:28:47,640 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 1: you see decisions made, when you see well, you know

565
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 1: they're not going to sign that guy, or hey, they

566
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,280
Speaker 1: want to they want to sign this guy, or you know,

567
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: they didn't didn't have more success than maybe they should have.

568
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 1: Not to say that every single situation is that way.

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Speaker 1: I think this one is unique for a few different reasons.

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Speaker 1: But this I think it shows you that there's so

571
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:11,960
Speaker 1: much that you have to take into account that you

572
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: can't see that even we're in this building and there's

573
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 1: some stuff that we don't know that we're never going

574
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: to see. So the general public doesn't see that, and

575
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:27,360
Speaker 1: they're you know, they don't have that opportunity. And I mean,

576
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 1: I think that's good because I think there's some things

577
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: as a team they just need to stay within the

578
00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: team and with the players on the team. But this one,

579
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: it's sort of mystifying. And obviously before I been to Wisconsin,

580
00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 1: I lived in Before I went to Texas, I lived

581
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Speaker 1: in Wisconsin, so I grew up as a Packers fan.

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Speaker 1: So besides the Texans, I want to see what the

583
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: Packers are doing, how are they doing? And I'm obviously

584
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Speaker 1: a big fan of Aaron Rodgers, and it was frustrating

585
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Speaker 1: when they didn't beat the Seahawks in twenty fourteen, you know,

586
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 1: when they couldn't pull that off when they couldn't stop

587
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 1: anybody in twenty sixteen against the Atlanta Falcons, and Falcons

588
00:29:59,600 --> 00:30:03,000
Speaker 1: just rolled over him an NFC championship game. They had opportunities,

589
00:30:03,080 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 1: you know, twenty eleven was probably the best opportunity. They

590
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: go fifteen and one, just rolling through everybody, and then

591
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: the Giants come in and just essentially lay the SmackDown

592
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 1: over you know, the first thirty minutes and that game's over. Yeah,

593
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: I mean he's done by It was done by halftime basically,

594
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 1: and they hit the hell Mary and that was it.

595
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 1: It was just a group that you thought should have

596
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,440
Speaker 1: won more championships. I think it goes to also show

597
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: it is tough to win a championship. But oh, as

598
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,760
Speaker 1: you read this article, you just realize and tie down

599
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: didn't spare anybody. I mean, he had general manager Ted Thompson.

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Speaker 1: He talked about McCarthy, talked about Tom rogers a sleeping

601
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Speaker 1: meetings lately yea toward the end, talked about McCarthy getting

602
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:48,760
Speaker 1: massages during Saturday meetings, and PFT got my attention when

603
00:30:48,800 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 1: they had the headline. I think it's I think it's

604
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: still up here if I can scroll back. Report Mike

605
00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 1: McCarthy routinely skipped team meetings for massages. Now, massages are

606
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,920
Speaker 1: a buzzword in the NFL right now because of the

607
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: big story of Florida with a certain team owner. Yeah,

608
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 1: so I was thinking, what happened, Well, it's just you know,

609
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: in the facility, this is a therapeutic thing, but the

610
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:13,600
Speaker 1: the damage is done here that it didn't happen all

611
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 1: the time, they claim, but sometimes, and if McCarthy was

612
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: checking out that way, well, that obviously has an effect

613
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:20,600
Speaker 1: with the culture and the team and the performance. Well

614
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 1: it's the type of thing that if you if you

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00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 1: want and you want a Super Bowl, nobody would even

616
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:28,160
Speaker 1: even care about. You wouldn't even mention. But when you're

617
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 1: you're talking about, okay, what went wrong, you're looking for

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Speaker 1: all the Well there was this, and then there was this,

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Speaker 1: and then there's oh yeah he used to get massages

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Speaker 1: to Okay, throw that on top two. You know, it's

621
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Speaker 1: like throw it all in and away you go. And

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Speaker 1: I think that was part of it. I think the

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Speaker 1: the interesting aspect as I read through it was that

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00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:47,239
Speaker 1: that was one, as I mentioned earlier, But I think

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Speaker 1: the other one is Okay, Aaron Rodgers is still there

626
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: and this report painted Rodgers is a very sensitive individual,

627
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Speaker 1: like he heard everything, and I thought one of the

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Speaker 1: most interesting pieces of that were rookie wide receivers. He

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Speaker 1: tells the story in there about Equanimius Saint Brown, whose

630
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: dad worked out Will Fuller. Yeah, last last offseason, Equanimius

631
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: went to Notre Dame and uh, they know Will and

632
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,640
Speaker 1: so Will went worked out with Equanimius and his dad,

633
00:32:14,760 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: Job Brown, and John Brown was a foreign bodybuilder. So

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00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:20,880
Speaker 1: Equanimius gets drafted, I think of the sixth round the Packers,

635
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: and so they had young receivers last year outside of

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Speaker 1: the Vante Adams Edvante Adams one hundred and sixty nine targets.

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Speaker 1: The large part because the rookie receivers were kind of

638
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Speaker 1: caught in a quandary because the receivers knew that they

639
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: had to stay on the good side of Aaron Rodgers,

640
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: but they would have to defy the coaching staff to

641
00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:43,120
Speaker 1: do it. And one of the one of the sources

642
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: told the story about how in the game against the Patriots,

643
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: Rogers told Saint Brown to run a corner route or no,

644
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 1: to run post. He told him run the post and

645
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: he'll hit you hit him on the post. Well, he

646
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: goes to the post, he's actually open, but the route

647
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,560
Speaker 1: that was called for was actually a corner route. So

648
00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: Rogers gets pressure. He throws the corner route. Oh gosh,

649
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: but he told he told the receiver to run the post,

650
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 1: and the coaches are saying, why didn't you run the

651
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,120
Speaker 1: corner route? Like what are you doing? The play call

652
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: was to go to the corner. Can't function like that.

653
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,960
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I mean that's that's just so difficult. I

654
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: mean that that story, you know, and it really for

655
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: the rookie receivers was really frustrating because the rookies are like,

656
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: I've got to do my coaches tell me to do,

657
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 1: but then I got to stay into good graces of

658
00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: the quarterback and he telling me to do something else.

659
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:36,400
Speaker 1: But then I'm coming over to the sidelines and I'm

660
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: getting rean for this, Like that was bad. Surprised it

661
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: went on that long because that that was my surprise.

662
00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: If it was that bad, they said it was bad

663
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: from the get go. I mean from the from the

664
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: oh's it was bad, right, So if it was that bad,

665
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,680
Speaker 1: I know they were winning at first, and I guess

666
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: it's the frog in boiling water, we're winning, it's okay.

667
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: You know, you get close, you're like, well, we'll do

668
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 1: better next time, And before you know it, you have

669
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: a few losing seasons here and there and not as

670
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: much success as you want, and then you know, now

671
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: you gotta make the change. So maybe that's how it happened.

672
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,640
Speaker 1: But when you look at it from this angle, you say,

673
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,879
Speaker 1: how could it have gone on that long? Look, well,

674
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: you were just describing there. It's the old bum phillips.

675
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:19,520
Speaker 1: Two players aren't worth the damn one that never does

676
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:21,279
Speaker 1: what he's told, one that only does what he's told.

677
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 1: You expect your quarterback to audible, to call his own

678
00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: thing every once in a while, to execute, and you

679
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:28,800
Speaker 1: forgive a lot of that, because, yeah, he's got to

680
00:34:28,840 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: be especially somebody like Aaron Rodgers, he's got to have

681
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: some autonomy, if not all autonomy. But it just sounds

682
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: horrible when you cannot be transparent with that kind of thing,

683
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: Like I told him to run the post because this

684
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 1: is the right route, and you know that I'll take

685
00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:47,680
Speaker 1: the heat for this. Well. I think there are a

686
00:34:47,680 --> 00:34:52,840
Speaker 1: couple of things. Number One, I think other organizations it

687
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: may have happened. I think there would have been a

688
00:34:56,160 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: divorce a lot earlier, had there been other organizations. But

689
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: I think the Packers, the Steelers sort of always prided

690
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,040
Speaker 1: themselves on, you know, we're family. You know this is

691
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,400
Speaker 1: this is a big family. I mean, especially in Green Bay,

692
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 1: the community that is there. Remember the list, the waiting

693
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: list for season tickets. I mean just we went up

694
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: to Lambeau in twenty sixteen. I mean, I grew up

695
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: in that, so I kind of know. That's kind of

696
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 1: how the Packers are perceived. You know, they don't do

697
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: what the other the rest of the NFL does. You know,

698
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: they stick by their guys, They're loyal. It's a family,

699
00:35:28,360 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: and I think that was probably a little that was

700
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of it. But I think they made

701
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 1: one move in moving in and asking Ted Thompson to retire,

702
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: and then they brought in Brian Goodacuston. He's done a

703
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: much better job in getting free agents and doing those

704
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 1: sort of things. But I think it just really kind

705
00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: of came to a head last year. That's when I

706
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: think it was really truly exposed. I think the winning

707
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: probably covered some of that up, and then when the

708
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,880
Speaker 1: winning went away like last year for Good, then I

709
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: think it was Okay, this is the time, we've got

710
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: to make a change. We've got we got to move

711
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 1: on from this. And I think when I when I

712
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 1: read that and I took out of it, nobody was

713
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: perfect in that situation. But I think it proves that

714
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: it can be difficult to coach a very sensitive, driven

715
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: mega star like Aaron Rodgers. Like how difficult that can be.

716
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,759
Speaker 1: And I know people said, what about Tom Brady. I

717
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:22,239
Speaker 1: don't think Tom Brady is wound like Aaron Rodgers. Aaron

718
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: Rodgers is a much different kind of individual. Bill Belichick

719
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 1: could go into a room and rip Tom Brady, and

720
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: Tom Brady could come out of there getting four or

721
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 1: five things out of what Belichick said and improve on them,

722
00:36:34,360 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: whereas Aaron Rodgers, from reading the article would look at

723
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: it and say, oh, he hates me or he doesn't

724
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 1: care for me. And I still got this chip on

725
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 1: my shoulder. So I think it's it's just a study

726
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 1: in human dynamics and a human condition of how two stubborn,

727
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 1: sensitive guys kind of came together and really couldn't after

728
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,000
Speaker 1: a while. It just it was time for a divorce.

729
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 1: So I just think it probably came a year too

730
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:01,399
Speaker 1: too late. Fascinating story. Bleach a report about that about

731
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: the Packers, all right, where headlines can be misleading. Broncos

732
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 1: expect Vic Fangio to run an old school, nineteen sixties

733
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 1: style training camp. This is on PFT. Now, this was

734
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:15,359
Speaker 1: Philip Lindsay saying that he wouldn't be surprised if it's

735
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 1: like nineteen sixties back in the day. We need it,

736
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: because Fangio apparently told the Broncos it's gonna be a

737
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,799
Speaker 1: tough camp. He's a he's an incoming head coach. What's

738
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: he gonna say. This is gonna be easy, this is

739
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: club med, It's no problem. Guys, bring your flip flops.

740
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: We're gonna have a good time. Of course he's gonna

741
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: say stuff like that, And PFT feels like they've got

742
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: this big angle on this, this big hot take, like, well,

743
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 1: you can't run in nineteen sixties camp in twenty nineteen,

744
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:46,360
Speaker 1: no kidding, you know. It's funny though, Johnny. When the

745
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:49,919
Speaker 1: Texans started up, Fangio was part of that right dom

746
00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,480
Speaker 1: capers And I've said this many times. He would have

747
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:54,680
Speaker 1: two a days because it was still allowed back then,

748
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: but he would always have two meals in between a practice,

749
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: you'd go morning and night. Than the stay'd go one practice,

750
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 1: then the next day he'd go two and days with

751
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,880
Speaker 1: morning and that. He kind of did it like that interesting,

752
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,000
Speaker 1: so he didn't want to burn out the guys. He

753
00:38:07,080 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: knew about the heat. He planned the schedule well in advance,

754
00:38:10,200 --> 00:38:11,719
Speaker 1: so he was doing the best he could. But they

755
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:14,359
Speaker 1: would I think they practiced in the afternoon a few times.

756
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. Anyway, camp was tougher then. But I

757
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,919
Speaker 1: remember a lot of whatever old timers were around then saying,

758
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,359
Speaker 1: oh gods, today, have it's so easy. This is gonna

759
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 1: happen till the end of time, the old thing. It's

760
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:30,319
Speaker 1: just like everyone making fun of the millennials, all these

761
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:32,960
Speaker 1: darned millennials. Now the millennials are making fun of the

762
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: gen zers, because why not. So you're always going to

763
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 1: have the old saying the young have it too easy.

764
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: We gotta make it tough like the way we had it.

765
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:45,320
Speaker 1: To hear my generations say this, it's hilarious because my

766
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: generation we heard it from our parents. Think about how

767
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: many times. And I when I moved to Texas in

768
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:56,000
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty three. At that time, we didn't have the

769
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: high school team didn't have water breaks. They just gave

770
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,560
Speaker 1: him ice. They at least got But there was a

771
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:03,239
Speaker 1: time when it was thought, don't give them water, it

772
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:07,440
Speaker 1: toughens them up. Yeah, how does that work? So things change,

773
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean they change. I mean I remember going through

774
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,840
Speaker 1: two day practices here in growing up in Houston, and

775
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 1: they're miserable. They're miserable. They were. It was so it

776
00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: was so rough, and then we always finished with like

777
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 1: anywhere between twelve to twenty forties at the end, and

778
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: it was just brutal. And we tried. They tried to

779
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 1: schedule them in the morning and then later in the

780
00:39:30,120 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 1: afternoon so we didn't get as much heat, but you

781
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: either later in the afternoon is brutal. You gotta wait

782
00:39:34,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: till like ten pm if you want to get a break.

783
00:39:36,239 --> 00:39:38,360
Speaker 1: It was tough. But I don't I don't look at it.

784
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:40,879
Speaker 1: I don't look at guys now and go, oh, they've

785
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: got it easy. They're just doing they're doing things differently.

786
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 1: Back then, you would practice two or three times a day.

787
00:39:46,719 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: He didn't have as many meetings. It's funny because O'Brien,

788
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 1: you know, he's a tough guy and everything, and he's

789
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 1: out there got a drink. Yeah, you know, I mean

790
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:56,720
Speaker 1: how much that's changed. I mean it's you know, before

791
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: it was like, no nobody gets water the Junction boys,

792
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: nobody got water, and it's it's a sign of toughness.

793
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 1: And now it's like if you denied somebody water at practice,

794
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,640
Speaker 1: you imagine, oh, it would just be well, they just

795
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 1: know that the risks are too great an't. But look

796
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 1: as far as the I do think the Broncos need

797
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,520
Speaker 1: a little kick in the backside. Yeah, and I think

798
00:40:15,560 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: Fangio will help give that to them. I feel like,

799
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 1: I mean we played him. I follow we weren't even

800
00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 1: a one hundred percent. I feel like we pushed them

801
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 1: around a little bit up there, even though we only

802
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:26,480
Speaker 1: won by two. But I think the Broncos need a

803
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: little kick in the backside. I think they need it.

804
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: That was still not early on in the winning streak,

805
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 1: but was that after the buy. Now the Reds get

806
00:40:34,120 --> 00:40:36,319
Speaker 1: right before the by, right before the by, right before

807
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,640
Speaker 1: they went into that bye with that miss Mn's field

808
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: goal was so beautiful. It's awesome. That was awesome. And

809
00:40:42,360 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 1: the Marius we've got into Marrius that one we had

810
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:46,680
Speaker 1: him from one week then to the bye and then

811
00:40:46,760 --> 00:40:50,359
Speaker 1: went to Washington. Oh jeez, that's one of those things

812
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 1: that did not work out. So I talked about it

813
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,759
Speaker 1: with McLain a bit. But the AAF continues to make

814
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,360
Speaker 1: headlines on the way they've abused these guys, and I

815
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 1: hesitate to use that word, but in a sports context,

816
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:05,919
Speaker 1: they certainly have. Guys were heading to the lobby after

817
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: a game finding their personal items, they're checked out of

818
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:13,359
Speaker 1: their rooms involuntarily, the league not paying for travel back home.

819
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:17,080
Speaker 1: And then finally, the league authorizes the players to be

820
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: able to play in the National Football League at the CFL. Oh,

821
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: thank you very much, since you're already breach of just

822
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: about everything, including all human civility, so you're gonna allow

823
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 1: me to pursue a job in another league, Thank you

824
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: very much. I appreciate that. In fact, Adam Schefter tweeted

825
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:34,560
Speaker 1: out about a half hour ago that there has been

826
00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: a player signed from the AF, Keith Resar, cornerback from

827
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: the Orlando Apollos, the self proclaimed AF champs said he

828
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: claimed they were the champs and researchers signed with the Chiefs,

829
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:51,120
Speaker 1: so he now Resar played in the league for a

830
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: little while. NFL not the AFF. He played well and

831
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: played a little while in the AF two, but he

832
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 1: I believe that's the first AF signing that I've seen.

833
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 1: But this mark the secondary leagues that have. You know,

834
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,399
Speaker 1: the USFL through a lot of money and probably could

835
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: have if they kept in the spring, probably could have

836
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: kept things going for a little while, but they want

837
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,160
Speaker 1: to move to the Fall league, and it just wasn't

838
00:42:15,200 --> 00:42:17,919
Speaker 1: gonna work. And we've seen, you know, the XFL came

839
00:42:18,040 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: and went and then came back. I think the XFL

840
00:42:20,040 --> 00:42:22,360
Speaker 1: has coming a different plan. They've got all of her

841
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,280
Speaker 1: luck and charge, They've got a lot of money involved

842
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 1: coming from Vince McMahon, and I think they want to

843
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,640
Speaker 1: do it the right I think the AF came along

844
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: after the XFL, but then decided to play before. I

845
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: think they thought they tried to speed this thing. Yeah,

846
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 1: they tried to speed it through. I don't know if

847
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,560
Speaker 1: it would have helped to wait, though, honestly, I don't

848
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:40,879
Speaker 1: think it would have been a good idea to open

849
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Speaker 1: at the same time, it would have been too much.

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Speaker 1: So I respect that part of it. I don't respect

851
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Speaker 1: abandoning the players the way they have and to not

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00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: be able to forecast that guess what, You're not gonna

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Speaker 1: make enough money. You don't have enough money. This is

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00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:57,239
Speaker 1: pretty easy to figure out. Most reasonably intelligent people could

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00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: figure out, you're gonna have too much month at the

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Speaker 1: end of the money and it's gonna be difficult to

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Speaker 1: keep this thing going. Well, the coaches, I believe, coaches

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Speaker 1: in front office people were told, yes, we're guarantee, we

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Speaker 1: guarantee this thing will be going for three years. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And how do you know if you're one of those people,

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Speaker 1: you're a front office guy, you're Bill Polian. Bill Polian's

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00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: part of the league, right, how do you know he's

863
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: co found You could see books, but you don't know.

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Speaker 1: You don't see the bank balance, you know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You really know until you find out the hard ways.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the one part that got me, is like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you want to know if you're gonna go talk to

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Speaker 1: Steve Spurrier and say, hey, coach, we want you to

869
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Speaker 1: Now Spurry might have been only for a year, but

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Speaker 1: you said, yeah, yeah, look, we got enough runway to

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Speaker 1: get us for three years. Come on, we got we

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00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: got the money. And within one week of playing they

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00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:45,720
Speaker 1: had to go the Carolina Hurricanes owners had to step

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Speaker 1: in and give them an infusion of cash at that point. So, look,

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Speaker 1: there's gonna be a thirty for thirty on this one

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00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: as well, and it's gonna be it's gonna be pretty

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Speaker 1: interesting to see how this all goes. And I think

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Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of this and I don't know

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00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,279
Speaker 1: if I would go this far. But you saw the

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00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: fire documentary right, Fire Festival. A lot of people were like, hey,

881
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 1: this is the Fire Festival football basically with what's going on?

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00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 1: Oh my god, left these players and have the communication

883
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: or the lack thereof, And it's it's sad because I

884
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:17,880
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys wanted this final shot, maybe

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00:44:18,080 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: to get back in the league. But I can't imagine

886
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: the number of guys that are I read about one

887
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 1: guy today that was was tweeting from his car driving

888
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 1: seventeen and a half hours back to New Jersey with

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00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: no place to go, no place to live. Like I'm like, well,

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00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 1: that was gonna happen anyway. I was gonna regardless, but

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00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 1: you could sort of plan it in a few Yeah,

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00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 1: but this is a change in life if you will, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: no doubt. All Right, Johnny texts a lot. Appreciate it, Mark,

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Speaker 1: that's gonna do it. For the show, I'll beyond with

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Speaker 1: the Mad Radio guys in the morning at eight am Johnny.

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow night I'll be on the show as well, and

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Speaker 1: Saturday night at eleven o'clock ABC thirteen, it's Texans three sixty.

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Speaker 1: Have a great night everyone, and go Texans.