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Speaker 1: and welcome to Bent the Fishing Podcast. That just got

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Speaker 1: Joe Surmelli Ah, and that was a solid, solidly obscure

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Speaker 1: watched episode one of B Side Fishing on Meteor's YouTube channel.

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Speaker 1: If not, go watch it. It's amazing, you're missing out. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is all right? Bill? You gotta realize it's it's

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Speaker 1: Of course I did, except except you forgot the select

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Speaker 1: wouldn't have worked worked at all. But we we actually

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Speaker 1: do have a secret code that absolutely will work. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Mediator just launched a newsletter called Fishing Weekly with Joe

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Speaker 1: Surmillian crew. I guess I'm in the crew. And if

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Speaker 1: you signed up for it, if you guys sign up

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Speaker 1: for it, we will send you a link to watch

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Speaker 1: every single season one episode of B side Fishing right

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Speaker 1: are you are the main guy in the crew, and

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Speaker 1: that is all correct. Uh. And look, not only will

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Speaker 1: signing up for our newsletter keep you plugged into all

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Speaker 1: the cool new fishing ship we're doing a Mediator um,

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Speaker 1: but you can consider this like a friendly email directly

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Speaker 1: from me, your buddy Joe. See, I'm gonna say, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna say dumb ship and write dumb ship. That will

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Speaker 1: entice you to look at all the cool stuff that

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Speaker 1: we're doing. There might even be there might even be

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Speaker 1: like a degenerate corner of sorts where I recommend some tunage,

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Speaker 1: some jams, maybe tell you what I think you should

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Speaker 1: be listening to if you want us to think you're

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Speaker 1: cooler than we already think you are. So that's another

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Speaker 1: thing it's gonna do. There. There'll be music. Joe is

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Speaker 1: also gonna be pointing out all sorts of dumb, weird,

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Speaker 1: non phishing related ship he finds on the Internet, which

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Speaker 1: I get on a regular basis, So now it's it's

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Speaker 1: not just me. I'm always like if you watch that

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Speaker 1: and you're like, no yet, I'm very busy. I haven't

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Speaker 1: seen that, So they'll be the weird Joe ship. Plus,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're just gonna use this as a space

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Speaker 1: to keep you guys up to date on all the

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Speaker 1: fishing content we're making, from new shows, two episodes of

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Speaker 1: the podcast, to feature articles, all the good stuff, right,

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Speaker 1: and all these gyms are gonna be exclusive to Fishing Weekly.

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Speaker 1: It's like it's like the newsletter for the degenerate club

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Speaker 1: that we're all in and if you don't sign up,

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Speaker 1: you'll you'll be stuck listening to Yellow Card with Phil

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Speaker 1: behind the comic bookstore. And I'm sure anymore there's probably

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Speaker 1: a newsletter for that crowd too. Yeah, Phil going down

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Speaker 1: swinging on that, Phil, get that I'm not sorry, Phil,

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Speaker 1: I got I got one more bit of housekeeping before

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Speaker 1: before we hit news. We we and I particularly got

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Speaker 1: a lot of feedback about the debate that Joe and

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Speaker 1: I did over birding and if it's lame or not,

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Speaker 1: and a surprising number of you wrote in supportive birding

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Speaker 1: and to criticize my lad cluster ability to argue in

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Speaker 1: favor of its merits. Apparently I let a lot of

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Speaker 1: people down there. Uh. I'm just gonna quote from one

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Speaker 1: of my personal favorite emails that we got came from

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Speaker 1: listener Katie Kilgis, and it was simply titled go birding assholes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this is a good one. This is a good one.

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Speaker 1: Katie made some solid points, one of which being that

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Speaker 1: I'm a dumbass because no one carries bird books anymore.

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Speaker 1: They have apps for that because of course the du

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Speaker 1: She recommended the Merlin bird i D which connects to Ebert,

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Speaker 1: which is an international online database. Katie went on to say,

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Speaker 1: quote Ebert is used by scientists all over the world

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Speaker 1: to track migrants yearly from citizen scientists, one could argue

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Speaker 1: Ebert is one of the greatest uses of citizen scientists

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Speaker 1: out there. Even kids can use it, get your head

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Speaker 1: out of the water and look up just once in

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Speaker 1: a while. It's lame, but so are people. And uh,

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Speaker 1: can I get an amend for that one? For Katie

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Speaker 1: on that one, hey, man, it was good. It was

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Speaker 1: it was good. It was good. She I just want

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Speaker 1: to point out that she ended with loved the podcast,

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Speaker 1: like it wasn't a total take. It's like you guys

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Speaker 1: are kind of being MUCKs right now. I mean I think,

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Speaker 1: like I like what you're doing, but like that was

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Speaker 1: that was Yeah, So no, I very much appreciated that.

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Speaker 1: Um is that all your housekeeping? That's all you got? Okay,

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Speaker 1: So we can move on to our news data base,

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Speaker 1: see what we do there, and then, as always, remember

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Speaker 1: this is a competition. Miles and I do not know

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Speaker 1: which stories the other guy is bringing to the table.

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Speaker 1: When we are done, Uh, Phil, our engineer will declare

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Speaker 1: one of us a winner. You've already taken a shot

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Speaker 1: at Phil today, but then I followed up and took

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Speaker 1: another shot, so we're both kind of on like even

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Speaker 1: the ground being in Phil's favor. Yeah, yeah, exactly. But

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Speaker 1: you do get to lead off, so have at it, man,

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Speaker 1: fire away. I'm gonna I'm gonna lead with a story

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Speaker 1: that's not exactly uplifting, because that's kind of my beat.

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Speaker 1: I take the depressing ships, but it feels important, so

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Speaker 1: here goes. On March, leaks were discovered in a holding

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Speaker 1: pool that contained about four hundred million gallons of wastewater

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Speaker 1: from the Piney Point Phosphate plant in Manatee County, Florida.

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Speaker 1: The league worsened over the following days, prompting fears of

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Speaker 1: a containment wall collapse, which would have sent a twenty

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Speaker 1: foot wall of water cascading through residential and commercial areas

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Speaker 1: UH and been a real bad deal. More than three

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Speaker 1: hundred homes were evacuated, as well as the first floor

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Speaker 1: of the county jail as emergency cruise first tried to

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Speaker 1: shore up the reservoir, and after that proved unsuccessful, rushed

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Speaker 1: to discharge the wastewater Crews avoided the potential catastrophe of

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Speaker 1: a breach reservoir and subsequent flooding. But now nearly three

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Speaker 1: million gallons of wastewater have been flushed into Tampa Bay,

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Speaker 1: and the obvious question on my mind is how's that

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Speaker 1: gonna impact the marine ecosystem and the fishery and the

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Speaker 1: fish of course, So the Florida Department of Environmental Protection

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Speaker 1: has repeatedly said that the wastewater meets water quality marine

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Speaker 1: standards for discharge except for elevated levels of nitrogen, phosphorus,

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Speaker 1: and pneumonia. And when I talked to Chris Whitman, co

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Speaker 1: founder of the Florida based nonprofit Captains for Clean Water,

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Speaker 1: he told me, quote, that's like getting pulled over and

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Speaker 1: telling the cop you were meeting the standards for legal

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Speaker 1: driving except for being drunk, speeding, and having a suspended license.

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Speaker 1: So far, no evidence of fish or manatee kills have

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Speaker 1: been reported, but the danger from this particular kind of

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Speaker 1: pollution emerges in the long term, right because we've we've

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Speaker 1: done we talked about this for in past episodes. We've

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Speaker 1: covered the impacts that elevated levels of nutrients like phosphorus

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Speaker 1: and nitrogen are having on marine ecosystems, especially in Florida.

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Speaker 1: They're contributing to massive algae blooms, habitat instruction, fish kills,

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Speaker 1: and and red hides like what happened in the Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 1: Water Keepers estimate that this spill dumped the equivalent of

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Speaker 1: one hundred thousand bags of fertilizer into the bay, which

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Speaker 1: is definitely not something this estuary needs. Tampa Bay, Tampa

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Speaker 1: has actually been a relative success story over the past

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Speaker 1: few decades in terms of dealing with nutrient loading. In

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Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies, much of the bays marine habitat

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Speaker 1: and seagratts were decimated by phosphate plants and sewage, but

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Speaker 1: through a lot of work and a lot of money,

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Speaker 1: more than forty acres of sea grass has been been rehabilitated,

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Speaker 1: and this event threatens to undermine all that recovery. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: we're just gonna have to kind of wait and see

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Speaker 1: what happens with this situation. It's not like a we

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Speaker 1: we can't exactly predict what's going to happen, and we

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Speaker 1: will follow up with you as we need to. But

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Speaker 1: this incident caused me to look into something I'd never

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Speaker 1: even thought about before. Before this story broke, I gotta

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Speaker 1: admit I didn't know anything at all about phosphate mining,

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Speaker 1: and I certainly did not know that Central Florida is

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Speaker 1: the phosphate capital of the world, producing one quarter of

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Speaker 1: global supply. Oh I didn't know that either, right, No

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Speaker 1: idea yeah, yeah, yeah, And like to be clear and fair,

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Speaker 1: we need fertilizer. Like fertilizer is necessary if we're gonna

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Speaker 1: you know, feed the world and all all the things

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00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: we need to do for producing plants, all that important ship.

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Speaker 1: But this industry has a problematic track record when it

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Speaker 1: comes to environmental impacts. In Florida, the process of phosphate mining,

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00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: this is way dumb down, but it goes something like this,

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Speaker 1: extract or from the earth, treat it with phosphoric acid

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Speaker 1: to extract the useful phosphate. You're then left with a

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Speaker 1: whole lot of phosphogypsum, a radioactive waste product. And for

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Speaker 1: every ton of the phosphate that you're hoping to get,

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Speaker 1: you produce five tons of the phosphogypsum waste. You then

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Speaker 1: pile that radioactive material into massive towers called jip stacks

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Speaker 1: and cover them in water. The result is dozens of

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Speaker 1: massive lagoons all over Florida full of radioactive water that

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Speaker 1: also you know, happened to contain high nutrient loads and

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Speaker 1: heavy metals just for the electric spice. Sure, sprinkle it

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Speaker 1: in little there and it turns out And this is

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Speaker 1: this is a part that wasn't very actively covered in

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Speaker 1: a lot of the news. What happened to Piney Point

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Speaker 1: was it was actually kind of a best case scenario.

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Speaker 1: The pond that failed is one of three ponds on

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Speaker 1: that site of of the defunct phosphate mind that went

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Speaker 1: bankrupt in two thousand one. And that pond that failed

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Speaker 1: is by far the least toxic of the three because

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Speaker 1: it holds mostly seawater from a dredging project. If one

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Speaker 1: of the other two ponds, which are full of jip

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Speaker 1: stack waste, were to have failed, we'd be looking at

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Speaker 1: a much more serious catastrophe. And just a couple of

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Speaker 1: days ago, Governed the Santis announced a cleanup plan for

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Speaker 1: Piney Point that could end up costing Florida taxpayers two

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Speaker 1: hundred million dollars to to mitigate and put back together

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Speaker 1: this mess left behind by industry. And that's just one

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Speaker 1: of many similar sites all over the state. And I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna close this segment with a with a statement put

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Speaker 1: out by Captains for Clean Water because I very much

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Speaker 1: respect those folks and the work they do their locals, Floridians,

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Speaker 1: fishing guides who who just now work trying to protect

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Speaker 1: the resources and the fisheries around their home state. They're

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00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: they're just good people. Uh, and they know more about

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Speaker 1: this than a podcast host in Montana. So here here's

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Speaker 1: a quote from Chris Whitman to close it out. We

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Speaker 1: need our state legislature to introduce meaningful policy that holds

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Speaker 1: polluters accountable for environmental impacts like this. The Florida legislature

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Speaker 1: has systematically dismantled regulations to serve and benefit special interests.

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00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 1: These special interests, in this case phosphate mining, are profiting

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Speaker 1: off of Florida's resources at the expense of our state,

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Speaker 1: citizens and environment. They make their profits, exhaust the resource,

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Speaker 1: and then leave the mess to ax pairs. We have

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Speaker 1: to see new legislation that prevents special interests from continuing

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Speaker 1: this kind of bad business that exploits our state and citizens.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I agree with all that, dude, And this

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Speaker 1: is like a it's a it's another terrible scenario. But

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Speaker 1: isn't it sad to say, Like I I hear this

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Speaker 1: story and I'm like, man, this is just so Florida.

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Speaker 1: Like when I think of Florida over the last couple

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Speaker 1: of decades, it's almost like, if it's not one thing,

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Speaker 1: it's another like these poor guys are always just constantly

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Speaker 1: fighting this battle YEP with with legislators and and just

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Speaker 1: blind eyes being turned to just horrible shit happening to

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Speaker 1: their ecosystems down there. And I had a long talk

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00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,640
Speaker 1: with Chris about this, and he made a lot of

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00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: really great points that didn't make another story. But the

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Speaker 1: thing he kept kept hitting on is it's not the

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Speaker 1: industry's fault, Like, the industry is not breaking the law right,

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Speaker 1: the legislature is not forcing them to be held accountable.

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Speaker 1: They're just doing what they should, just doing good business.

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Speaker 1: And it's it is, according to him, from his perspective,

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Speaker 1: the responsibility of the legislature to enact laws that put

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Speaker 1: these corporations in a situation where they have to be

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Speaker 1: responsible for the forces them to do it the right

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00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: way exactly. So, yeah, I know you're right. I get

636
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: what you're saying. It's a tough spot because they're not

637
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 1: breaking the law because the right law doesn't exist right essentially,

638
00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: that's what's happening. It's it's not that different from you know,

639
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: the big fight that Captains for Clean Water has been

640
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: part of is the sugar cane industry. And he made

641
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: a lot of comparisons between sugarcane and yeah, exactly for sure.

642
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: For sure. Well, um, I'm I'm certain we're gonna have

643
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 1: some follow up on this May. We even have Chris

644
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,040
Speaker 1: on at some point to still still sort of a

645
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:47,920
Speaker 1: developing story. But since we're talking about laws and Florida,

646
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: that is just could not be a better transition for me.

647
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna stay in Florida and we're gonna we're gonna

648
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: stay talking about laws in a different way. I, on

649
00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 1: the other hand, I have good news. Okay, Um, while

650
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,480
Speaker 1: Florida residents we don't know what is going to happen

651
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: to Tampa Bay, you can finally sleep soundly again because

652
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,400
Speaker 1: after nearly a year on the LAMB, fugitive Daniel Arman

653
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:10,799
Speaker 1: Dares has finally turned himself into authorities, and as we

654
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:14,680
Speaker 1: all know, thanks to them never ending news coverage, Arma

655
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: Dares is the criminal mastermind wanted for diving into the

656
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: tank at the Gulf Coast town Center bass Pro Shops

657
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,799
Speaker 1: in May. I can feel the sigh of relief being

658
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 1: breathed around the country right now this this story. So

659
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,040
Speaker 1: according to this story, this is from news press dot Com.

660
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: This incident occurred on May Arman Dares has said repeatedly

661
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: this is this is this is what he says. It

662
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 1: just kind of happened. Oh so that was the reasoning,

663
00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,719
Speaker 1: as if to suggest the mood just struck him, and

664
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: per the story, he uh swam across the huge tanks expanse,

665
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: hauled himself out and then ran dripping way out of

666
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 1: the store. Okay, So I really enjoyed this one by that,

667
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: So it's just going to get better. So I think

668
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: it's safe to say that the twenty eight year old

669
00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,080
Speaker 1: armada Is thought this would just be like ha ha funny.

670
00:35:14,120 --> 00:35:17,280
Speaker 1: But no, like the authorities wanted him and they weren't

671
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,440
Speaker 1: going to just like they weren't gonna let up, right,

672
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: And he was quickly identified as the tank jumper on

673
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:26,040
Speaker 1: the Facebook page Southwest Florida Crime Stoppers and charged with trespassing.

674
00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:28,719
Speaker 1: But instead of turning himself in, he just ducked the

675
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: cops and blabbed on the internet about the whole thing.

676
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,600
Speaker 1: So here's a post armadar Is apparently put on the

677
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: Facebook group Florida Boys with a Z Hunting and Fishing right. Also,

678
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 1: this this post confirms uh, this incident was not his

679
00:35:44,600 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: first dust up with the law. Okay, soccer expletive expletive.

680
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: I'm tired of you looking for me like I'm some

681
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,640
Speaker 1: most wanted fugitive over a little tank dive ten question

682
00:35:56,680 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 1: marks L O L. Come on now, well you know what,

683
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 1: bess P. I've breed fish since I was nine years old.

684
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: You can kiss my expletive about the three thousand dollar

685
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: decontamination expletive. Yeah, I expletive expletive diving in. But who

686
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 1: doesn't want to dive in that beautiful tank? And who

687
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: has been blasted this hard and charged with felonies ten

688
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: question marks? Since all since I came and read this,

689
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 1: since all you authorities want to blast me like I'm

690
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:29,319
Speaker 1: some nasty criminal and offer awards, well, guess what, get

691
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: to working even more because I'll turn myself in when

692
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:34,279
Speaker 1: I'm ready. You guys have put me out to be

693
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: a drug dealing, robbing, aggravated battery in criminal. But guess what,

694
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: I beat all those charges. So that's wrong. Expletive man,

695
00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,680
Speaker 1: it is what it is. S mates. You guys are

696
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: pathetic expletive expletive expletive expletive. This was printed in the

697
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: news story. The whole, the whole, entire passage right, there,

698
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: isn't that going? Well? Guess what? Arma Dares was arrested

699
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:02,040
Speaker 1: nearly two months later on the charges of trespassing. How

700
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: did they finally get this guy? While the Sheriff's office

701
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: received a call for service stating Armadares was on his

702
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: way to the days in on South Cleveland Avenue threatening

703
00:37:10,200 --> 00:37:15,240
Speaker 1: to shoot someone. He was he was at the motel

704
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 1: the morning of July one, near a vehicle containing a

705
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 1: pump action shotgun and more than two hundred rounds of ammunition,

706
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: and charge with two counts of resisting arrest. Now, not surprisingly,

707
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:28,280
Speaker 1: he failed to peer in court twice in the months

708
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: following his arrest, most recently in February and uh pulling

709
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 1: another ace out of his deck. He moved to North Carolina,

710
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 1: which could not extradite him back to Florida over bench Warrens.

711
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,319
Speaker 1: But I guess the heat was finally getting to be

712
00:37:41,360 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 1: too much, because nearly a year after ruining what already

713
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 1: sounded like a fairly shitty existence to swim with some

714
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: bass and catfish, Armadaris is back in Florida and ready

715
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: to face the music. He's gotten a lawyer. Likely, I'm

716
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: just gonna say by way of a billboard on some

717
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:57,319
Speaker 1: Florida back road. And this is the only quote in

718
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: the piece from his lawyer. Right, we hear from the

719
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: lawyer one time and he just says, we will take

720
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 1: care of these warrants. We'll probably just go in dot

721
00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: dot dot and figure it out from there. So they

722
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 1: over under that meth is somehow playing a role in this.

723
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:20,720
Speaker 1: You know, it's there's no question it sounds very methy

724
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:26,160
Speaker 1: to me. I mean, better call Saul is all I

725
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 1: can think for this dude, exactly exactly, so I will say,

726
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,919
Speaker 1: I mean, look, it sounds like dudes in all kinds

727
00:38:32,920 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: of bad stuff. Like he's not like a nice dude,

728
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,319
Speaker 1: but there's also that little baby part of me that

729
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 1: feels for him. It's like, Okay, I did a goofy thing.

730
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,040
Speaker 1: I jumped at a tank, and like you guys are

731
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: really gonna like go this hard at me for that,

732
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:48,560
Speaker 1: But like, yeah, they did like to think that it's

733
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 1: all the other things that are making them go hard

734
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: at him. Maybe I'm wrong. Probably it's probably like, well

735
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,279
Speaker 1: he we we we already need to get him for

736
00:38:57,360 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: these things, so like now we'll just had the tank.

737
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,000
Speaker 1: But he's making it sound like he's like an upstanding

738
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 1: citizen except for this tank jump. Now that I'm saying this,

739
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,839
Speaker 1: it makes me think you don't cross bass pro man,

740
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,320
Speaker 1: Like if there is one entity in the fishing world

741
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: that you can get but not not bass pro I

742
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:21,399
Speaker 1: mean now they're one and the same. So no, Like,

743
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: if you're gonna if you're going to cause problems in

744
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: the with anybody in the fishing industry, that's probably not

745
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: the right way to go. They have the resources to

746
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: get you. Well, yeah, they have plenty of money and like,

747
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: yeah they're that is true. They're not a little mom

748
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: and pop tackle shop. They have resources and a legal team.

749
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 1: The one thing I do question though, like do you

750
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:46,560
Speaker 1: really need to decontaminate that entire fish tank over one

751
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: dude's women in it? Like come on, Like that's like

752
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,760
Speaker 1: one of the like money like on how much methidle,

753
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:00,440
Speaker 1: how much melted down robotusin or whatever is now and tank?

754
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so yeah, yeah, speaking of substances that are

755
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:15,839
Speaker 1: worth far more than they probably should be at street value. Joe,

756
00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:19,160
Speaker 1: have you ever heard of Amber Grease? I actually do

757
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:22,480
Speaker 1: happen to know what Amber grease is? Yes? You do?

758
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,480
Speaker 1: You do? You want you want to you want to

759
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: take this, I don't want to take it. I could

760
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 1: tell you, I could tell the people what it is.

761
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 1: To the best of my knowledge, it's giant gobs of

762
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,520
Speaker 1: like petrified solidified well vomit. That is worth shiploads of

763
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: money if you know where to find it. And I

764
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: know a guy. I don't know, but I know a guy,

765
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: So that's straight That is straight upright. It is a

766
00:40:45,520 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: dense waxy substance formed by the bile ducts in the

767
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 1: intestines of sperm whales and sperm whales only not all

768
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,239
Speaker 1: whales just spurm. They didn't know that. And how about this?

769
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: Giants guid beaks have been found within chunks of ambergrease,

770
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: and the theory goes that the substance prevents sharp, undigestible

771
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: objects like that from rupturing sperm whales and testines, right,

772
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,799
Speaker 1: because they eat cuttle fish and giant squid and they

773
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: can't digest the beaks. So the theory is that the substance.

774
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 1: They evolved the substance to kind of wrap up the

775
00:41:20,840 --> 00:41:24,440
Speaker 1: sharp bits so it didn't come up from the inside out. Yeah,

776
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 1: and sperm whales probably expel amber grease like they do

777
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 1: fecal matter, but if the mass is too large, they

778
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: may vomit it up instead, hence the whale vomit thing.

779
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 1: But bile just disagree on this point. No one's really

780
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:39,919
Speaker 1: sure how it comes out or even if it comes

781
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:46,960
Speaker 1: out fresh. Ambergrease is described as having a marine fecal odor,

782
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 1: but as it flops around smrine fecal But as it

783
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,680
Speaker 1: floats around in the ocean and ages, it takes on

784
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 1: a sweet, earthy, musky scent, which is often compared to

785
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: rub being alcohol without the chemical extringency. Smell good. What

786
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 1: does marine feel like? I know what dead rotten fish

787
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 1: smells like, and I know what dogshit smells like. I

788
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,239
Speaker 1: don't know what like marine ship smells like? Who who

789
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:19,880
Speaker 1: says that? Okay? Several sources uh. Chunkes of ambergris can

790
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: float around for years before eventually watching up on shore,

791
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: which is where people usually find it. According to London's

792
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:31,080
Speaker 1: Natural History Museum, humans have used and valued rare ambergries

793
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:34,560
Speaker 1: for at least a thousand years, though its origin remained

794
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 1: unknown until large scale whaling began in the eighteen hundreds.

795
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: It's sometimes called floating gold or treasure of the sea.

796
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,800
Speaker 1: Or its other common name, as you pointed out, is

797
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: whale vomit, which is somewhat less appealing straightforward. Early civilizations

798
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,719
Speaker 1: used ambergries for all kinds of applications, but it was

799
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: highly prized as an aphrodisiac. Throughout the past few centuries,

800
00:42:58,800 --> 00:43:02,680
Speaker 1: It's remained valuable because it contains and breen. I think

801
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 1: that's how I'm both pronounced that which is added to

802
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:08,279
Speaker 1: perfume to make the scent lasts longer. In the last

803
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 1: few decades, chemists have come up with with much cheaper

804
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:16,520
Speaker 1: synthetic alternatives, but super high end perfumes still used naturally

805
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:20,880
Speaker 1: occurring ambigras, so it remains incredibly valuable. High quality ambergris

806
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: can sell for ten thousand dollars a pound, and an

807
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: eight pound piece is considered a big find. But last

808
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:35,280
Speaker 1: February a group of Yemeni fishermen looked into a serious

809
00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 1: chunk of this stuff. I got a preface this by

810
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:42,520
Speaker 1: saying life is a commercial fisherman and Yemen there's never

811
00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: been like what we would consider kush comfortable or easy thing. No,

812
00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: these guys take take really small vessels out in the

813
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: Gulf of Aiden, which is this water with the connects

814
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 1: the Red Sea in the Arabian Sea and on like

815
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 1: a particularly great outing. Like if every thing goes right,

816
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: they're out for a few days and they come back

817
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: to market with a full boat and everything goes perfectly.

818
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: A Yemeni fisherman might earn the equivalent of fifty bucks

819
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 1: each time, like when they really school right. But since

820
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 1: civil war broke out in that already hard life has

821
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 1: become like nearly impossible. Two thirds of the thirty million

822
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: residents are relying on humanitarian aid right now, and and

823
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really tough for fisherman because many parts

824
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,600
Speaker 1: of the Yemeni coast are war zones, so fishing is

825
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:36,759
Speaker 1: prohibited in certain places, and and even unrestricted areas can

826
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: just erupt in conflict like it's a bad deal. So

827
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 1: the fisherman who found this ambergris in the story are

828
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 1: from the village of al Qaisa. I believe an area

829
00:44:47,120 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 1: okay an area in the Southern Aidan province, and that

830
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 1: that zone like this is a board context. That zone

831
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: they're they're in has less fighting and fewer restrictions. And

832
00:44:58,200 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: on the day that they struck whale goal, they just

833
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: happened to have this other guy on board with them

834
00:45:03,120 --> 00:45:06,120
Speaker 1: who's from a village further north, and this guy had

835
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 1: fled the war to to a more a safer part,

836
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: to to earn a living. He was he was also

837
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,280
Speaker 1: a fisherman, but he's like, I can't fish my homeland,

838
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: so I come south. He hopped on these guys boats.

839
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:17,880
Speaker 1: They went out and they're on their way to the

840
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: fishing grounds and they pass a large dead sperm whale

841
00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 1: that had been floating around in the area for some time.

842
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 1: One of the local fishermen told the Mideast I quote,

843
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 1: we had passed by that same dead fish more than once,

844
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: and we didn't give it any attention, as the sea

845
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:37,760
Speaker 1: is full of dead fish. But on this particular trip,

846
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: they had that dude from the northern village with them,

847
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: and he recognized that that was a sperm whale, and

848
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: he like he knew about the ambergris, so he told

849
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,560
Speaker 1: him like, hold on, guys, we got forget about the fishing.

850
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: We got taken this whale. And I could imagine the

851
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,359
Speaker 1: conversation that went on when they're like, you want us

852
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 1: to do what He's like, no, no no, no, we gotta

853
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 1: take in this whale. Carcass are you getting to the

854
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: legality of this, because like, can you do that? I

855
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: mean over here, what's like you cannot mess with a

856
00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:13,840
Speaker 1: dead marine mammal. Okay, they're not concerned about that problems

857
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 1: like a global law. I don't know, no, I there

858
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: it is actually leval what they did. I tug you

859
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:21,840
Speaker 1: to that. It's it's legit. They're not they're not breaking

860
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:24,200
Speaker 1: any laws. Um. So they had to get a bunch

861
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 1: of other boats to drag this thing in. And again

862
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:29,480
Speaker 1: this is guy's that outsiders convincing all these fishermen like, hey,

863
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,319
Speaker 1: stop doing what you're doing. You know it's gonna make

864
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 1: you money. Trust me. We dragged this whale carcass and

865
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: it's gonna be great. And then ultimately they got the

866
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: whole village involved. Over over one fishermen helped drag and

867
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 1: dismember this just like disgustingly rotten beast up on the beach,

868
00:46:46,640 --> 00:46:50,920
Speaker 1: which again you're putting a lot on these guys, like

869
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,399
Speaker 1: now now now start hacking this thing up. Yeah, how

870
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:56,360
Speaker 1: did this dude? Like, isn't it also a gamble? Like

871
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 1: did he know? How do you know? There's it's it's

872
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:02,480
Speaker 1: like in an oyster you could eat ten million oysters

873
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:04,839
Speaker 1: and not find a pearl, like you. Only five per

874
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: cent of whale carcasses have this in him, and usually

875
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,880
Speaker 1: it's just a small amount. So he had to be

876
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:14,839
Speaker 1: a very compelling dude. And it worked out because they

877
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: found a chunk of amber grease in that whale that

878
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 1: weighed two hundred and eighty pounds. Oh my god. And

879
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 1: so then they all had to like rally together and

880
00:47:24,520 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: take turns guarding that foul smelling awfulness until they were

881
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: able to like find someone to sell it to. And

882
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:34,760
Speaker 1: they sold it to a broker from the United Arab

883
00:47:34,800 --> 00:47:38,360
Speaker 1: Emirates for the equivalent of one point five million dollars,

884
00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 1: which they then distributed throughout the community. So like most

885
00:47:42,280 --> 00:47:45,399
Speaker 1: families got twelve thousand bucks, which is enough for a

886
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 1: young fisherman to marry and build a house or to

887
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,879
Speaker 1: purchase his own boat, which is like a total game

888
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: changer for these folks. And they distributed like the whole

889
00:47:54,160 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: it was a village of a thousand families. They distributed out.

890
00:47:56,880 --> 00:47:59,760
Speaker 1: Everybody got what they needed. They bought medicines for folks.

891
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:02,439
Speaker 1: Like was a really great story of not just hey,

892
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: we found this thing and we pirated it and we

893
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:06,800
Speaker 1: have a couple of people got rich, Like they really

894
00:48:06,920 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: used it to distribute funds throughout the community, and this

895
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: whole fishing village is now better off for it. And

896
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: it's just it's a rare bit of good news coming

897
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,560
Speaker 1: out a part of the world that doesn't have a

898
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:20,640
Speaker 1: lot of good news these days. And it came in

899
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 1: the form of whale vomit I did. I gotta say, man,

900
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 1: Like I feel like this is this is prompting me

901
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: to do more research, because there's so much more I

902
00:48:27,640 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 1: want to know, like how often does this wash up?

903
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 1: Where does it wash up most often? Like can I

904
00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: find this Fourth of July weekend at like my in

905
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: law's beach house, Like the most commonplace to find is

906
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: the Bahamas? And I also wonder Amber Greece, k belize

907
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: is that name? Because like it used to wash up

908
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,600
Speaker 1: there more or something, or at least it washed up

909
00:48:46,640 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: there once. Yeah, But then my next question would be

910
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:52,320
Speaker 1: if I if I do on fourth of July weekend,

911
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: like stumble on this right, Like who the hell do

912
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 1: you call? Like now I gotta unload two pounds Amber Greece,

913
00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: Like we call the fish market, Like what who do

914
00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:06,919
Speaker 1: you call? That ship on Facebook, you know what I mean,

915
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 1: Facebook market Place. If that comes up, it's definitely gonna

916
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: be a sale ban. I'm just saying, right, Yeah, but dude,

917
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: I know I think that's I think that's really fascinating.

918
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: I also had no idea that anybody was still used

919
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,600
Speaker 1: not in cosmetics and perfume, Like that's got to be

920
00:49:23,640 --> 00:49:25,800
Speaker 1: some super high end stuff because you think about it,

921
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: it's sustainable. You don't actually have to I knew historically

922
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 1: we used whale blubber for cosmetics and oil lamps, and

923
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 1: that's why we killed like almost every whale. But the

924
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: whale doesn't have to die to get this stuff. So yeah, man,

925
00:49:37,719 --> 00:49:39,960
Speaker 1: I could see, especially in like the boutique world we

926
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: live in, there's got to be some perfume makers whatever

927
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: they're called, that are just like, man, you must smell,

928
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: you must smell real good. So we'll move on from

929
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 1: fecal matter. Is she smelled a marine? Yeah, it's a

930
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:01,200
Speaker 1: great selling point there. I'm gonna stay I'm gonna stay

931
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:03,919
Speaker 1: on dead fish here. Uh, not not a big one,

932
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:06,200
Speaker 1: but a lot of them. And this is a short

933
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,920
Speaker 1: story that's just gonna I think lead to some some

934
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:12,240
Speaker 1: some conversation here. It also lets me stay in crime.

935
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm doing the crime thing today. I'm like the c

936
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 1: S I to catch predator, America's most wanted for anglers today.

937
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: So we already got some bitch that had the audacity

938
00:50:21,080 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: to jump in the bass pro tank. Uh, let's move

939
00:50:23,600 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: on to catch criminal. Um. Anyway, this is a this

940
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,840
Speaker 1: is a short but poignant story. Um. And this comes

941
00:50:30,840 --> 00:50:34,319
Speaker 1: from Arizona's a Z family dot com headline. Police make

942
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,320
Speaker 1: arrest after one thousand pounds of fish were dumped in Phoenix,

943
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: and it's it's such a short story. I'm just gonna

944
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna burn through it. Police have arrested a

945
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:46,560
Speaker 1: suspect in connection to one thousand pounds of fish that

946
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:49,880
Speaker 1: were found dumped along a Phoenix road on Tuesday. Police

947
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: sergeant and Justice said detectives were able to develop probable

948
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:57,120
Speaker 1: calls to arrest forty two year old Russell Omar Howard Thursday.

949
00:50:57,640 --> 00:50:59,759
Speaker 1: It started when police were called to the area of

950
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,320
Speaker 1: fifth teenth Avenue and Pinnacle Peak Road for reports of

951
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: illegal dumping. When officers arrived, they found a large pile

952
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:08,640
Speaker 1: of trash, including several dead fish. Arizona Game and Fish

953
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: confirmed to Arizona family that at least one thousand pounds

954
00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 1: of carp and gizzard, chad boxes and trash from a

955
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: spear fishing tournament at Lake Pleasant over the weekend. We're

956
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 1: dumped in the area of Fifteenth Avenue and Pinnacle Peak Road,

957
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: and this dude now faces one count of criminal littering,

958
00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:30,600
Speaker 1: which is a Class six felony. So I did a

959
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:33,040
Speaker 1: little research in the Lake Pleasant spear fishing. Didn't know

960
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: anything about it. And this is a big deal there,

961
00:51:34,719 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: Like it's a um you know, fairly big tourist destination.

962
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: It's it's very clear, at least from the videos I've seen,

963
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:41,880
Speaker 1: and it seems a lot of people go there to

964
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,080
Speaker 1: spearfish for strypers, serious dudes. And I was trying to

965
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:47,920
Speaker 1: find information on this specific tournament to see if it

966
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 1: was judged by total weight or what. Um I didn't

967
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: really find much, but regardless, this is very similar, in

968
00:51:54,239 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: my opinion to the Sebago Lake trout story we covered,

969
00:51:57,640 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 1: um you know, in that this act, like this ship

970
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:05,680
Speaker 1: gives an entire faction of anglers a bad name. And

971
00:52:05,680 --> 00:52:07,800
Speaker 1: in the case of Spega, it was ice fisherman looking

972
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: kind of like pigs basically for for leaving all these

973
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: dead fish on the ice, and I think this, like

974
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 1: what happened here in Phoenix, this is something that not

975
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: only tarnishes the spear fishing community, but bow fisherman for sure.

976
00:52:21,560 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 1: And for the record, I don't know if I don't

977
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 1: know if I've ever said this on this show, but

978
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: I actually I really enjoy bow fishing, and it's it's

979
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:30,799
Speaker 1: not something that I do often, but I find it

980
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:33,319
Speaker 1: extremely fun. And I can also say that I've never

981
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:35,319
Speaker 1: been in a position where I had to figure out

982
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,479
Speaker 1: what to do with the forty five carpie shot because

983
00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: I can't shoot whereth the ship Like I just I'm

984
00:52:42,080 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: really and and as I'm as I'm doing it, I'm

985
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 1: like aim low and then I know all the things

986
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 1: this somehow at the last second, it just doesn't touch

987
00:52:52,840 --> 00:52:55,719
Speaker 1: the fish. So this is not a personal issue that

988
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: I have, um but you know, what happens to piles

989
00:52:59,840 --> 00:53:01,800
Speaker 1: of common carp whether they were shot with a spire

990
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: arrow is is one of those things that I think

991
00:53:04,160 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 1: people in general sort of turn a blind eye to.

992
00:53:06,360 --> 00:53:08,480
Speaker 1: It's like everyone knows the vast majority of the time

993
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 1: those fish are probably gonna be wasted, like not many

994
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 1: people are finding plates for a hundred pounds of fried

995
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: common carp meat. Um. But what keeps people from going

996
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 1: overly ballistic about the sport is simply not seeing it,

997
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 1: you know. And um, you know, one of the guys

998
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,799
Speaker 1: I used to shoot with, he swore that he had

999
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: people eager to take his fish to eat. And again,

1000
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:35,280
Speaker 1: up here on the river, you're not having a hundred

1001
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,360
Speaker 1: fish night like you would in Texas or where you know.

1002
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:40,480
Speaker 1: It's it's just not you don't shoot that many fish. Um.

1003
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: And another buddy of mine, he said he had the

1004
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: best racket going because he trade the carp with commercial

1005
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:49,359
Speaker 1: lobster guys for lobsters, because apparently carp make like exceptional

1006
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 1: trap bait. But yeah, exactly, the lobster guys say that

1007
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: man common carp is terrific lobster bait for their traps. Um.

1008
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:02,920
Speaker 1: But I mean, look, I never saw any of that

1009
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:04,959
Speaker 1: in my own eyes. I trusted that was the case

1010
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 1: because these were buddies of mine, and that made me

1011
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,560
Speaker 1: sleep a little easier after my one or two boat

1012
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:12,080
Speaker 1: trips a season. And I don't want to make it

1013
00:54:12,080 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 1: sound like I was overly upset about taking a few

1014
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,839
Speaker 1: carp out of the river. But I mean, you know,

1015
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm a rodding real guy first that that mostly catches

1016
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: and releases, which is why I would never bow fish

1017
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: like twice a week all summer. Like it's it's too

1018
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 1: much like a trip here and there. Every once in

1019
00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 1: a while, I can get behind that um. But you know,

1020
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 1: those fish could have ended up in a dumpster, which,

1021
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: while that might upset some people too, it's far better

1022
00:54:34,719 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 1: than dumping the fish on the side of the road

1023
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 1: because less chance for people to see it. And it's

1024
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:41,400
Speaker 1: it's dumb moves like this that ruined ship for the

1025
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: responsible guys, or at least, I should say, the guys

1026
00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: with enough sense to recognize that if you're going to

1027
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 1: waste a bunch of carp and shad like you waste

1028
00:54:48,840 --> 00:54:52,440
Speaker 1: them away from prying eyes. And I hate to say it,

1029
00:54:52,480 --> 00:54:54,600
Speaker 1: I hope the dude gets hit with the charges like

1030
00:54:54,640 --> 00:54:58,400
Speaker 1: that's a that's a that's a ship move. Yeah, yeah.

1031
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:01,000
Speaker 1: The dumping is is a is a. Really, there's no question,

1032
00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: that's not even a gray area. That's just that's just terrible.

1033
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: But the the issue of what to do with rough fish,

1034
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: then you both fish and I gotta I gotta step back.

1035
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,800
Speaker 1: Common carp, I get gizzard shed Are those non native?

1036
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 1: Are those invasive? Are those an issue in the body

1037
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,359
Speaker 1: of water that we're talking about here that I don't know,

1038
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: I would think not. I mean, man, gizzard chatter kind

1039
00:55:25,160 --> 00:55:28,839
Speaker 1: of everywhere. Yeah, So, I mean, like I can see

1040
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: that I get the justification common carp invasive fish problematic.

1041
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 1: I I struggle with the just the wanton waste of

1042
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:43,160
Speaker 1: native fish species and rough fish. It's it's something that

1043
00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,160
Speaker 1: I actually I don't have a problem with both fishing

1044
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: and all, and I also enjoy it, but I don't

1045
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,360
Speaker 1: do it very often, partially because I'm like, man, I

1046
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:55,279
Speaker 1: shoot a couple of carp the hell? I mean, you

1047
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,080
Speaker 1: put one in the garden or whatever, in a buddies garden, because,

1048
00:55:59,200 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 1: as we've already talked on the show, I've never successfully

1049
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,719
Speaker 1: done that. But what do you do after that? Like,

1050
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily want to eat them, and I don't

1051
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:08,879
Speaker 1: want to have to figure out what to do with them.

1052
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:13,359
Speaker 1: I recognize that it's is it legal to throw them

1053
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: away in a dumpster? I don't actually know the answer

1054
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 1: to that question. I don't I don't know it either.

1055
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 1: I mean, that's probably a state by state thing I

1056
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 1: truly don't know. But what I can tell you about

1057
00:56:22,120 --> 00:56:24,879
Speaker 1: the gizzard Chad, at least from some of my experience here,

1058
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: it's like I know a lot of bow fishermen that

1059
00:56:29,080 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: it's like, can I shoot that? Can I legally shoot that? Yes?

1060
00:56:32,680 --> 00:56:34,719
Speaker 1: Then I'll fire at it, you know what I'm saying,

1061
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: And like gizzard Chad, it's like, oh, that is okay

1062
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: for me to shoot at, So I will shoot at it.

1063
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:44,839
Speaker 1: Like I never really shot at a ton of gizzard Chad,

1064
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: Like I just that's not what I was out there for.

1065
00:56:46,440 --> 00:56:48,400
Speaker 1: Like you're trying to whack a couple of carp and

1066
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: it is what it is. But the question of why

1067
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,520
Speaker 1: would you do that? Because you can? Because I just

1068
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 1: know there are bow guys who are like that, Like

1069
00:56:56,480 --> 00:56:59,439
Speaker 1: everything that comes into the lights, like can I shoot that? Well, yeah,

1070
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: boom like and it's hit and this is and I

1071
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: know I hit this all the time. But this is

1072
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,120
Speaker 1: where it brings me back to the big mouth buffalo thing,

1073
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: which we all know. I'm fully obsessed with big mouth buffalo,

1074
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:14,160
Speaker 1: admit it. And I'm not excited about them being such

1075
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:18,040
Speaker 1: a popular target for both fishers because I want them

1076
00:57:18,080 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: to be around for other reasons, because they're part of

1077
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,160
Speaker 1: the ecosystem, and because I want to catch them. In

1078
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,680
Speaker 1: other ways, I get harvesting a few them because I

1079
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 1: know they're delicious and great. If that's what you're doing,

1080
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,240
Speaker 1: do it. It's legal. But I I struggle with the

1081
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 1: just the going out and just killing a bunch of fish.

1082
00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:37,880
Speaker 1: To kill a bunch of fish, particularly if they're native

1083
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: fish like suckers that are part of the ecosystem like that,

1084
00:57:41,560 --> 00:57:45,080
Speaker 1: that doesn't sit well with me. I can't condone that. Well,

1085
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:47,280
Speaker 1: this is this is totally op ed. We're certainly not

1086
00:57:47,320 --> 00:57:49,760
Speaker 1: coming to a conclusion on this, But just to to

1087
00:57:49,880 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 1: point out that, I mean that dude's kind of a

1088
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,960
Speaker 1: jerk for dumping all those fish there. And no matter

1089
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:56,840
Speaker 1: where you stand on both fishing, I mean, you can't

1090
00:57:57,640 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 1: that that is exactly the kind of thing that gets

1091
00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: hackles up in. This makes us look it makes us

1092
00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 1: look bad. So I'm sure you know, hey, you know

1093
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:07,560
Speaker 1: how to find us bend at the mediator dot com

1094
00:58:07,600 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: way in let us know what you think. We're gonna

1095
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: let Phil. We're gonna see what Phil thinks of us

1096
00:58:12,720 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: and our stories this week. Um, and then As soon

1097
00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: as we're done doing that, believe it or not, I

1098
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:19,960
Speaker 1: am getting us back on the striper scene with a

1099
00:58:19,960 --> 00:58:23,840
Speaker 1: freak in Philistine. I read a book. Joe read a book,

1100
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:31,800
Speaker 1: so stay dude for that. It was educational, it was informative,

1101
00:58:31,840 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: it was entertaining. Miles, let's shower you in some amba.

1102
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 1: Grise you're the winner this week by referencing both the

1103
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:43,280
Speaker 1: Konami Code and Fallout Boy. Yes, Joe, I got that reference.

1104
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: It seems like you guys are trying to both pander

1105
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,880
Speaker 1: too and mock me at the same time. I feel

1106
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,680
Speaker 1: like Carrie. If you guys end up crowning me prom

1107
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,720
Speaker 1: queen next week, I swear to God, I will not

1108
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:56,280
Speaker 1: even wait for that pigs blood. I will you up.

1109
00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: What's to Fhilistine A guy who doesn't care about books

1110
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:08,760
Speaker 1: or interesting films and things, But when David de Benedetto

1111
00:59:08,880 --> 00:59:11,120
Speaker 1: is on the run hit bookstore shelves in the early

1112
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:14,360
Speaker 1: two thousand's, my soul was crushed. And at the time,

1113
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 1: I was in college, often fighting to stay awakened class

1114
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:19,920
Speaker 1: because I'd been surf fishing all night, or skipping it

1115
00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:23,040
Speaker 1: entirely to catch the right tide on some North Jersey Jetty.

1116
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:25,280
Speaker 1: I was also scheming about how I get my break

1117
00:59:25,320 --> 00:59:27,600
Speaker 1: in the outdoor journalism game, and one night it hit me,

1118
00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 1: how cool would it be to follow the entire stripe

1119
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 1: bass migration up and down the East Coast and document it.

1120
00:59:33,760 --> 00:59:36,360
Speaker 1: It had never been done before, that is, until the

1121
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:38,720
Speaker 1: Benedetto did it and wrote an entire book about it.

1122
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,960
Speaker 1: I got over it pretty quickly, though, and I even

1123
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 1: wrote to Benedetto an emailed telling him how jealous I was,

1124
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,480
Speaker 1: but also how much I loved the book, because, in

1125
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 1: my opinion, despite there being several other great books about

1126
00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: the stripers scene out there, none came close to capturing

1127
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:56,400
Speaker 1: the entirety of it so beautifully. Growing up in the nineties,

1128
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: stripe bass were almost non existent to me. They were

1129
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,720
Speaker 1: mythic on a tinable, and their rebound coincided with that

1130
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 1: point in my life when you're just old enough to

1131
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,480
Speaker 1: do whatever the hell you want, and also when you

1132
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: had very little responsibility. And I was already in love

1133
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:12,640
Speaker 1: with chasing stripers, but On the Run made me feel

1134
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: like I was part of something so much bigger. On

1135
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,360
Speaker 1: the Run kicks off in Maine on Labor Day weekend

1136
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:21,640
Speaker 1: two thousand one, just prior to the attacks on September eleven,

1137
01:00:21,800 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: and it ends in late November on the outer banks

1138
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,560
Speaker 1: of North Carolina. But what happens in between has less

1139
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:29,840
Speaker 1: to do with fish and much more to do with people.

1140
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: De Benedetto spent time with all the most notable characters

1141
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 1: in every faction of the striper scene, and plenty of

1142
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,200
Speaker 1: less notable people fighting to preserve these fish or fighting

1143
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:42,880
Speaker 1: to make a living catching them. Every new person he

1144
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:46,520
Speaker 1: encounters presents a new perspective and new adventure. De Benedetto

1145
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:50,760
Speaker 1: famously opens the book Terrified as he skishes with Paul Melanik,

1146
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: a Montalk local that swims out and drifts hundreds of

1147
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 1: yards offshore while dangling live eels. He gets to witness

1148
01:00:57,520 --> 01:01:01,680
Speaker 1: legendary surfcaster Tony Stetsko almost come to blows with another

1149
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: angler on the beach that crowded him, and he sits

1150
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:07,000
Speaker 1: down with former world record holder Alan mc reynolds and

1151
01:01:07,120 --> 01:01:09,480
Speaker 1: learns that catching such a coveted fish may have been

1152
01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:12,560
Speaker 1: more cursed than blessing. And in one of my favorite scenes,

1153
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:14,920
Speaker 1: he rubs elbows in a Rhode Island bar with a

1154
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:18,840
Speaker 1: group of guys. I idolized as a teen surfcaster. He's

1155
01:01:18,880 --> 01:01:21,600
Speaker 1: brought to this bar after diving with well known spear

1156
01:01:21,600 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: fisherman and underwater videographer Mike lap Two. Here's a taste.

1157
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 1: When we arrived, lap two spotted a few trucks in

1158
01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: the parking lot with fishing rods locked on their roofs.

1159
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: Looks like the gangs here, he said. Inside where the

1160
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 1: yuppy day course seemed more suitable to a gathering of

1161
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: sailing skippers, lap two told the hostess, we're with a

1162
01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 1: group that smells like fish. At the table, everyone went

1163
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:47,200
Speaker 1: by their handles from the site stripers Online. The group

1164
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: consisted of crafty Angler, Tattoo, d Z, and hab There

1165
01:01:52,280 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 1: was also a fellow iron Mike, who didn't belong to

1166
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 1: stripers Online. According to lap two, these guys were among

1167
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: Rhode Island's most hard horse striper. Fisherman Habrek, who was

1168
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: built like a linebacker and sported a thick handlebar mustache,

1169
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:08,880
Speaker 1: was the center of attention. When I sat down, he

1170
01:02:08,920 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 1: pulled out a lower box full of varying sized needle

1171
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: fish long plugs that range in size from the width

1172
01:02:14,080 --> 01:02:16,800
Speaker 1: of a broomstick to that of a pencil. Iron Mike

1173
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,680
Speaker 1: and Tattoo started rubbing their hands together. Most sharpies feel

1174
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:23,000
Speaker 1: habrecs needle fish have no equal when it comes to

1175
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: seducing big bass. When stocks run low at tackle shops,

1176
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: anglers will often call Habrec pleading for a personal shipment.

1177
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,720
Speaker 1: You won't believe the things guys will be for these plugs.

1178
01:02:33,240 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: I had to stop giving out my number, he told me.

1179
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,240
Speaker 1: When Habric opened the box, Tattoo snatched up a sharp

1180
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 1: troose needle fish and ran it under his nose like

1181
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 1: a fine cigar. Oh this is real nice, he said.

1182
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:48,440
Speaker 1: Cries of plug Ho went up around the table. Plug

1183
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,400
Speaker 1: Ho is a term of derision for any member of

1184
01:02:50,560 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 1: s O L who displays loose morals. The quest for

1185
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: hard to come by. Plug. Everyone at the table was

1186
01:02:56,440 --> 01:02:58,720
Speaker 1: jazz for the fall run. It was proving to be

1187
01:02:58,760 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 1: the best in recent memory. The bait had stayed close

1188
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: to shore for the past few weeks, and day long

1189
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: blitzes were common. When I told the guys that the

1190
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: fishermen on the islands and Vineyard Sound were having a

1191
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 1: meek year, there was little sympathy. Iron Mike, a spark

1192
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 1: plug of a fellow who got louder with each beer

1193
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,440
Speaker 1: and seemed to somehow work in every sentence. Had landed

1194
01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 1: a fifty one pounder on a HAB's needle fish just

1195
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 1: a few days prior. It can be boom or bust

1196
01:03:22,320 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 1: in the fall, and we're booming this year, he said.

1197
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:27,200
Speaker 1: I asked the group about the sharing of information on

1198
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,560
Speaker 1: the internet. Many fishermen I had met on my trip

1199
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:32,640
Speaker 1: aboard the idea of posting secret strategies and drops on

1200
01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: fishing websites. This gang was no different. General information was fine,

1201
01:03:37,160 --> 01:03:39,439
Speaker 1: but posting a report with the exact location of where

1202
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: you whacked the fish was a deadly sin. We all

1203
01:03:42,280 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 1: had to pay our dues. Why should some lurker who

1204
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,200
Speaker 1: doesn't know squat have the privilege of being told where

1205
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 1: to go and what to use. The learning process is

1206
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:53,040
Speaker 1: part of the sports, said Tattoo. Some members had even

1207
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 1: devised a code for exchanging information. The following day, Tattoo

1208
01:03:56,840 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 1: sent me an example. It read, the pattern is open.

1209
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,200
Speaker 1: You're cleared for twinkies. It was twenty times before puke.

1210
01:04:03,800 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 1: Pink was the color of the sky. In nine seven times,

1211
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 1: I like pink. I like to swim. Metal twelve was

1212
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:16,400
Speaker 1: a good year. Pukers like steel six times. Di Benedetto

1213
01:04:16,440 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 1: didn't have a crystal ball, but he unknowingly captured what

1214
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,760
Speaker 1: I'd consider the last years of true purity in the

1215
01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:26,400
Speaker 1: stripers scene. Message Boards were a thing, but this was

1216
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,439
Speaker 1: long before Facebook and Instagram. You still had to put

1217
01:04:29,480 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: in your time, maybe lean on a mentor get in

1218
01:04:32,320 --> 01:04:35,040
Speaker 1: with the right crowd. You needed more than a photo

1219
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: to be considered the man, or to earn a reputation

1220
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,840
Speaker 1: as a sharpie. Everybody in their uncle wasn't a custom lawmaker.

1221
01:04:42,320 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 1: John Haberac made lawyers that caught fish, not fisherman, and

1222
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 1: would probably be piste off about how much people will

1223
01:04:48,240 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: spend on one of his plugs these days as a

1224
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:55,440
Speaker 1: collector's item. Now hab is sadly gone, so as Tony Stetsko,

1225
01:04:55,880 --> 01:04:58,720
Speaker 1: and so is Al mc reynolds. But saddest of all

1226
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: is that the run de Benedetto followed has gone to

1227
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: Nobody catches stripers in the outer Banks anymore. Striper numbers

1228
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,920
Speaker 1: are on the decline, and the textbook route they once

1229
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: followed has been altered by everything from beach replenishment to

1230
01:05:13,120 --> 01:05:16,640
Speaker 1: over fishing, to global warming and beyond. But I owe

1231
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 1: this book for a lot more than solidifying my love

1232
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: of striper fishing, because not long after it was published,

1233
01:05:23,120 --> 01:05:26,080
Speaker 1: De Benedetto became the editor in chief of Saltwater Sportsman,

1234
01:05:26,120 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: which had recently moved to New York City, and through

1235
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,400
Speaker 1: a few lucky connections, I got to interview for an internship.

1236
01:05:32,680 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 1: And when I met Dave, he said, aren't you the

1237
01:05:34,760 --> 01:05:37,560
Speaker 1: guy that emailed me about my book? And he gave

1238
01:05:37,600 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 1: me my first full time magazine job ever in two

1239
01:05:40,880 --> 01:05:44,440
Speaker 1: thousand five, And here I am now still on my

1240
01:05:44,520 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 1: own run in the craziness that is the fishing industry.

1241
01:05:51,720 --> 01:05:57,640
Speaker 1: All right. First off, everyone, everyone, Joe tackled a philistine segment.

1242
01:05:57,840 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 1: Phil Can we get a round of blows for Joe

1243
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:05,360
Speaker 1: on that own blues? Thank you? I am hooked on

1244
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,280
Speaker 1: fish and on phonics this week. So it turns out

1245
01:06:09,360 --> 01:06:11,440
Speaker 1: you don't just write books, do you know how to

1246
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 1: read them too? Thank you? Uh. Also, you managed to

1247
01:06:18,760 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 1: hit a classic book that I've never read, though it's

1248
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:23,360
Speaker 1: been it's been recommended to me more than once. Uh,

1249
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 1: And so I need to get on that. It sounds

1250
01:06:24,920 --> 01:06:27,840
Speaker 1: like it sounds like it's It actually does a very

1251
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:31,200
Speaker 1: very good job of capturing the entirety of of the

1252
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,080
Speaker 1: fishing culture that we're talking about, and that's not easy

1253
01:06:33,160 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: to do. I personally very much enjoyed the Pete McDonald

1254
01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 1: and Tosh Brown book The Blitz, which profiled the scene

1255
01:06:40,360 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: in a similar way, at a different time period and

1256
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:45,800
Speaker 1: in a more visual format. But I think I'm going

1257
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,960
Speaker 1: to enjoy that that longer form narrative even better. Yeah,

1258
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,280
Speaker 1: you will, you you would love this book. And the

1259
01:06:51,320 --> 01:06:54,240
Speaker 1: first time I read that book, um, and it had

1260
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 1: a pretty profound impact on me. And little did I

1261
01:06:57,040 --> 01:07:00,040
Speaker 1: know that within just a couple of years I to

1262
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 1: be working for David Benedetto at Saltwater Sportsman and would

1263
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:06,960
Speaker 1: end up meeting, uh, you know, or corresponding with so

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01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 1: many people in that book. So in a way, it's

1265
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,640
Speaker 1: like a part of my surf fishing roots. Dude, This

1266
01:07:11,640 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 1: whole this whole episode is like a little window into

1267
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,439
Speaker 1: Joe's origin story, right it is it is and and

1268
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,120
Speaker 1: as well as being a peek into one of the

1269
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 1: biggest and most engaged fishing subcultures in the country, it's

1270
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 1: just I mean, it's huge, right if you look at

1271
01:07:25,840 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: the numbers, Striper fishing is massive, but it's so localized, right,

1272
01:07:31,040 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 1: and and so a lot of us, myself included, even

1273
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: hard wranglers, have no personal frame of reference with this,

1274
01:07:36,680 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 1: but we're aware of it, and at least for me,

1275
01:07:39,680 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 1: like even though I don't have that direct experience, I

1276
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 1: get it, like I understand what's going on because it's

1277
01:07:46,920 --> 01:07:49,720
Speaker 1: still fishing, right, because like so exactly at one point

1278
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:51,800
Speaker 1: when when you and Bill what's what we're talking and

1279
01:07:51,840 --> 01:07:54,080
Speaker 1: I was just sort of sitting there listening to being like, oh,

1280
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:58,200
Speaker 1: this is amazing, we had to stop the interview, just

1281
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:01,000
Speaker 1: like like mid interview, just it off so YouTube could

1282
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 1: geek out over who had the rarest custom wooden striper plugs. Yeah,

1283
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:07,400
Speaker 1: we literally both got up for a second. We're like

1284
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:10,720
Speaker 1: oh yeah, and like got up to grab some Hammo

1285
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:15,320
Speaker 1: to have a plugs showdown over zoom. Right. He threw

1286
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:17,280
Speaker 1: down first though, He's like look what I got. I'm like,

1287
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,200
Speaker 1: oh yeah, as he would say, oh yeah mom. So

1288
01:08:21,400 --> 01:08:25,240
Speaker 1: I presented a metal lips surface swimmer made by Twisted,

1289
01:08:25,520 --> 01:08:27,840
Speaker 1: which I could go on and on about it, but

1290
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 1: just suffice to say I've been offered a lot of

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01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,120
Speaker 1: money for it because it's a rare one, and none

1292
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 1: of it, like you guys were going deep and none

1293
01:08:34,240 --> 01:08:36,120
Speaker 1: of the specifics of any of those baits or the

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01:08:36,120 --> 01:08:39,640
Speaker 1: bait makers or the particular like paint jobs. None of

1295
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: that made any sense to me, Like it meant nothing

1296
01:08:41,479 --> 01:08:44,160
Speaker 1: to me. I got what was going on. I understood like, oh,

1297
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,360
Speaker 1: this is a pecking order thing, who's got the weirdest,

1298
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:53,160
Speaker 1: coolest bait. But but I definitely, even though I didn't

1299
01:08:53,200 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 1: know those exact names or why they were special, very

1300
01:08:57,280 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 1: much recognized the style of the lures. Right the individual

1301
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:05,200
Speaker 1: exact lures themselves, no idea, but I can see the

1302
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 1: style like I see the DNA of where those came from.

1303
01:09:08,560 --> 01:09:11,920
Speaker 1: And that's where we're going to as we close out

1304
01:09:11,920 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: the show because because in this week's end the Line segment,

1305
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:18,040
Speaker 1: we're gonna talk about how so many lures considered classics

1306
01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:21,439
Speaker 1: and the striper scene actually have Midwest ingenuity to thank

1307
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 1: for their design. Well, that's not loud enough, Burt. The

1308
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:35,439
Speaker 1: Creek Chub Pikey Minnow might be the most iconic vintage

1309
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:40,200
Speaker 1: lure ever produced. With its scooped out nose, uniquely taper tail,

1310
01:09:40,280 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 1: and of course patented step down metal lip, the Pikey

1311
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: Minnow pops into most of our heads when we imagine

1312
01:09:47,280 --> 01:09:51,080
Speaker 1: old fishing lures. Before Repolic came to dominate the plug scene,

1313
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 1: there was Creek Chub. So the Pikey was Creek Chubb's

1314
01:09:54,680 --> 01:09:58,240
Speaker 1: biggest selling lure and most recognizable design. It wasn't the first.

1315
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: The Wiggler, designed way back in nineteen o six by

1316
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,880
Speaker 1: three Fishing Buddies from Garrett, Indiana, was the first lure

1317
01:10:03,920 --> 01:10:07,160
Speaker 1: to incorporate a diving lip or a mouthpiece as they

1318
01:10:07,160 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 1: originally called it. This was the first timond recorded history

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01:10:10,880 --> 01:10:14,920
Speaker 1: that an inanimate object personified the wiggle of a frightened

1320
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 1: bait fish, a minor miracle of spontaneous generation. Modern anglers

1321
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:24,000
Speaker 1: hardly even notice. From nineteen sixteen to the mid nineteen sixties,

1322
01:10:24,240 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: Creek Chub and the pike he min Oh dominated freshwater

1323
01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 1: fish and fishing and set a standard for lure quality

1324
01:10:30,960 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: never again seen in production lures. The company only used

1325
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 1: white cedar wood for the bodies. Each lure was hand

1326
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 1: painted with at least seven and sometimes up to fourteen

1327
01:10:42,439 --> 01:10:47,200
Speaker 1: coats of paint. They devised a proprietary netting through which

1328
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:50,280
Speaker 1: they could apply that paint to create a realistic scale

1329
01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: pattern on each bait. The steel trouble hooks were imported

1330
01:10:54,600 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: from Norway. That insistence on quality ultimately became their undoing is.

1331
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:04,240
Speaker 1: Once plastic hit the market, Creek Chub simply couldn't compete,

1332
01:11:04,720 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: and in the company went out of business. Entire books

1333
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:11,040
Speaker 1: have been written about the history of this company this lure,

1334
01:11:11,120 --> 01:11:13,519
Speaker 1: so I'm not going to belabor all the specifics, but

1335
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:18,680
Speaker 1: I think contemporary anglers forget how groundbreaking this lure was.

1336
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:22,439
Speaker 1: Because of their popularity, Creek Shub naturally found their baits

1337
01:11:22,479 --> 01:11:25,559
Speaker 1: attached to some of the most controversial big fish dust

1338
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:29,400
Speaker 1: ups of all time. First, the holy grail of American

1339
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:33,599
Speaker 1: fishing records, George Perry's twenty two pound, four ounce large

1340
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,600
Speaker 1: mouth that stood as the all tackle bass record for

1341
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: almost ninety years, was caught on a creek shub. Only

1342
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 1: no one's totally sure which Creek Chub, since Perry's story

1343
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 1: changed throughout life. It wasn't a pikey minnow, we don't think,

1344
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:50,960
Speaker 1: but no one's totally sure. The pikey minnow is at

1345
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,080
Speaker 1: the center of a different and only slightly less heated

1346
01:11:54,280 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 1: record fish controversy, the world record muskie. The standing record

1347
01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:02,520
Speaker 1: weighed sixty pounds eleven ounces and was caught in ninety

1348
01:12:02,640 --> 01:12:06,040
Speaker 1: nine by Louis Spray from the Chippewa Flowage in Wisconsin,

1349
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:10,280
Speaker 1: but from nineteen sixty nine to two the record was

1350
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,599
Speaker 1: actually held by Art Lawton, who claims who have caught

1351
01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 1: a muskie four ounces heavier from the St. Lawrence River

1352
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: in New York on a pikey minnow. In the I

1353
01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,320
Speaker 1: g f A declared Lawton's record fraudulent, stating that modern

1354
01:12:24,360 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 1: scrutiny of available evidence showed it to be smaller than

1355
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,240
Speaker 1: its certified weight and length. I would love to digress

1356
01:12:30,280 --> 01:12:33,559
Speaker 1: into the churning operatic drama that surrounds these two muskie

1357
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:36,200
Speaker 1: record chasers in their fish, which includes no shortage of

1358
01:12:36,240 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: outlaw buffoonery and alcohol fuel transgressions on basic decency. But

1359
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:43,120
Speaker 1: we're not here to talk about the muskie record. We're

1360
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:47,200
Speaker 1: talking about the pikey minnow, and regardless of any bs around,

1361
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:50,800
Speaker 1: particular records and fragile egos, this bait may have caught

1362
01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,800
Speaker 1: more big fresh water fish than any other By the

1363
01:12:54,840 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 1: time Rappola even crossed the pond. Pikey minnows were allegedly

1364
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,760
Speaker 1: responsible for a twenty pound large mouth in four, a

1365
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:06,799
Speaker 1: thirty six pound pike in n seven and eighteen pound

1366
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 1: walleye in nineteen thirty three, an eleven pound small mouth

1367
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:13,880
Speaker 1: in nineteen forty one, and another eleven pounds spotted bass

1368
01:13:14,439 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 1: in nineteen That's plenty enough to solidify its place in

1369
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:23,000
Speaker 1: fishing history. That was very good. But I'm going to

1370
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,559
Speaker 1: step in now and add a pinch of salt to

1371
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:29,200
Speaker 1: your pikey history because this is our Stripers show, and

1372
01:13:29,240 --> 01:13:31,720
Speaker 1: there's more to this story. So everything that you just

1373
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,599
Speaker 1: said is accurate, and the pikey has certainly solidified its

1374
01:13:34,600 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: place in freshwater fishing history. Prior to World War Two,

1375
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: the stripers surf casting scene as we know it now

1376
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:43,679
Speaker 1: didn't really exist, and if you wanted to catch them,

1377
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:46,960
Speaker 1: you soaked bait. In fact, lobster tail was a common

1378
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 1: offering because lobsters are actually considered something only poor people

1379
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:53,360
Speaker 1: eight back in the day. Now, there were also some

1380
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:56,040
Speaker 1: metal lures and tin lures being slung around. But when

1381
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,519
Speaker 1: the boys came home from war, surf casting, like many

1382
01:13:58,560 --> 01:14:02,479
Speaker 1: other scenes, boomed. Those surfcasters figured out quickly that those

1383
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,760
Speaker 1: muskie and pike sized pikey minnows were equally appealing to

1384
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:08,719
Speaker 1: stripe bass. And because as you noted, they were made

1385
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 1: so well they could also stand up to them. There

1386
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:14,680
Speaker 1: was so much demand for Pikeys on the coast that

1387
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,400
Speaker 1: in nineteen fifty Creak Chub introduced the Striper Pikey, an

1388
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:21,719
Speaker 1: even heavier duty version of the original than In nineteen

1389
01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:25,760
Speaker 1: fifty three, Creak Chub dropped the Surfster. It had this

1390
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: stepped lip similar to the Pikey, but a fatter, rounder,

1391
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:31,479
Speaker 1: more tapered body than a Pikey, which was kind of

1392
01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,719
Speaker 1: more cigar shaped. It was the Surfster that would become

1393
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,400
Speaker 1: the template for many similar plugs, including those Bill Wetzel

1394
01:14:38,439 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: and I were geeking out about on that Zoom call

1395
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: of ours. Metal lipped swimmers is the category of laura

1396
01:14:44,800 --> 01:14:47,200
Speaker 1: we're talking about, because they fly far in the surf.

1397
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:49,720
Speaker 1: They're built to take a beating. They wobble and roll

1398
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,439
Speaker 1: across the surface and create a really distinct v wake.

1399
01:14:52,960 --> 01:14:55,000
Speaker 1: While Creek Chub may have had a big chunk of

1400
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: the market for a time, like you said, by the

1401
01:14:57,280 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: late sixties, the Surfster and many of their other lines

1402
01:15:00,280 --> 01:15:03,080
Speaker 1: had been discontinued, and nobody was really throwing pikes in

1403
01:15:03,120 --> 01:15:06,920
Speaker 1: the surf at all anymore. Aside from plastic Lores dominating

1404
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,759
Speaker 1: the market. By then, other brands of metal lips swimmer,

1405
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: notably Stand Gibbs Danny Swimmer, had sort of taken hold,

1406
01:15:13,400 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 1: partly at least I think, because they were made in Massachusetts,

1407
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,759
Speaker 1: and striper fishermen were then and are now fiercely loyal

1408
01:15:20,840 --> 01:15:24,400
Speaker 1: to local plugmakers. Today, there are hundreds of small shop

1409
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:27,200
Speaker 1: regional builders that turn metal lips swimmers, all of which

1410
01:15:27,200 --> 01:15:29,479
Speaker 1: share design elements with the pike and the surf stir.

1411
01:15:29,840 --> 01:15:31,960
Speaker 1: And while I know plenty of striper guys that proudly

1412
01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:35,200
Speaker 1: display vintage pikes on shelves, I don't know anybody that

1413
01:15:35,280 --> 01:15:38,280
Speaker 1: chucks them. So you mentioned that Creek Chubb went out

1414
01:15:38,280 --> 01:15:41,640
Speaker 1: of business in which is true, but the name was

1415
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: purchased by Prad Colure's shortly thereafter, and Creek Chubb does

1416
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:48,519
Speaker 1: still exist today, though everything now is made out of plastic.

1417
01:15:48,920 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: Matter of fact, in the early two thousands, and what

1418
01:15:51,320 --> 01:15:53,599
Speaker 1: I assume was an attempt to capture the growing surf

1419
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:57,920
Speaker 1: market as striper populations rebounded, prad Co did a saltwater

1420
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:01,120
Speaker 1: pikey reissue, pumping out all the get sizes made of

1421
01:16:01,120 --> 01:16:05,120
Speaker 1: molded plastic and featuring trusted modern striper colors like yellow

1422
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,960
Speaker 1: school Bus and blur Pool, and I remember getting a

1423
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: few samples and being super pumped about them, but to

1424
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,200
Speaker 1: be honest, I don't think I ever threw them because

1425
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 1: when it came down to maximizing time on the beach,

1426
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:19,040
Speaker 1: standing there in the surf, I trusted the beat up

1427
01:16:19,080 --> 01:16:22,000
Speaker 1: Gibbs and R. M Smith's and lefty swimmers already in

1428
01:16:22,080 --> 01:16:24,719
Speaker 1: my surf bag. And I think most striper guys felt

1429
01:16:24,720 --> 01:16:27,799
Speaker 1: the same way. And as fast as the reissued pikes appeared,

1430
01:16:28,000 --> 01:16:36,640
Speaker 1: they were gone from tackle shop shelves. So that's it

1431
01:16:36,800 --> 01:16:39,280
Speaker 1: for this week, and we hope you enjoyed our little

1432
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,800
Speaker 1: foray into the striper scene. And I wouldn't be surprised

1433
01:16:41,840 --> 01:16:44,960
Speaker 1: if we pick another scene down the road and go

1434
01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,720
Speaker 1: all in again because this was fun. Yeah, yeah, we

1435
01:16:47,800 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: definitely will. I'm I'm I'm calling DIBs on on Telapia

1436
01:16:53,160 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: because we all know how much you got it, you

1437
01:16:55,200 --> 01:16:57,679
Speaker 1: got you got it? Yeah, I do, I do, you gotta.

1438
01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,640
Speaker 1: I feel like we're missing something though. I feel like

1439
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,679
Speaker 1: there's an there's a very smoky elephant in the room

1440
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 1: that we need to talk about. How did our residents

1441
01:17:06,840 --> 01:17:10,800
Speaker 1: straper surf expert Bob the garbage Man not show up

1442
01:17:10,800 --> 01:17:12,880
Speaker 1: in this episode, Like, how did you not bring him in?

1443
01:17:13,160 --> 01:17:15,160
Speaker 1: This is a terrific question. I'll tell you what happened.

1444
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: I sent him an outline of the show topics and

1445
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 1: he looked it over and was like, I'm not interested

1446
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:22,400
Speaker 1: as soon as he saw the things we're gonna be

1447
01:17:22,400 --> 01:17:27,200
Speaker 1: talking about. But he did leave this message for me, Yeah,

1448
01:17:27,560 --> 01:17:30,559
Speaker 1: telling Niles, I'll catch more strivers on them creek choves

1449
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:33,360
Speaker 1: and asking or wherever the he lives anywhere out here

1450
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:36,479
Speaker 1: and you'd learn more about strips from Curious George goes

1451
01:17:36,560 --> 01:17:39,559
Speaker 1: fishing and that directory of notable Mook's book you was

1452
01:17:39,680 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 1: talking about or whatever. There you go. I'm pretty sure

1453
01:17:44,120 --> 01:17:47,040
Speaker 1: I just lost whatever whatever street cred I may have

1454
01:17:47,240 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 1: once had with Bob. Hopefully we haven't lost any with

1455
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: all of you out there listening, but if we have,

1456
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,720
Speaker 1: let's know, just send an email to Bent at the

1457
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 1: meat Eater dot com. It's also the perfect place to

1458
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:03,240
Speaker 1: send us bar nomination sale ban items, awkward photos, news leads,

1459
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: and all that other good stuff we're looking forward to. Yes,

1460
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 1: and finally catch up on b side fishing on YouTube,

1461
01:18:09,120 --> 01:18:11,920
Speaker 1: damn it and tune into b Side next week to

1462
01:18:11,960 --> 01:18:15,760
Speaker 1: watch me hunt down the lowliest, most unappreciated member of

1463
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,599
Speaker 1: the Esox family. Those who know me know exactly what

1464
01:18:18,640 --> 01:18:21,120
Speaker 1: that is. We've also always got eyes on those degenerate

1465
01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 1: Angler and Bent podcast hashtags, and if anyone now has

1466
01:18:24,600 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: eyes on my rare twisted Swimmer with the Mahi Mahi

1467
01:18:27,000 --> 01:18:29,160
Speaker 1: paint job, of which like one or two were ever made,

1468
01:18:29,280 --> 01:19:00,519
Speaker 1: back off, because that ship's not for sale. Si