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Speaker 1: and we got a busy episode today. Buck. We've got

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Speaker 1: We've got some rookie quarterbacks, one of which you made

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Speaker 1: NFL Weekend Buck But before we go to our guests there,

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Allison, star of the NFL Network createdly acclaimed show Undrafted,

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Speaker 1: is gonna join us in the studio. Before we get

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Speaker 1: to him, Uh, let's recap a little bit of what

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Speaker 1: went on in the college weekend, as much as I

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Speaker 1: don't want to because my picks were terrible. Sully, go ahead,

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Speaker 1: your balls one. Congratulations, Yeah, thanks fellas. Uh that was

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Speaker 1: a big win. Eleven years way too long. And uh,

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Speaker 1: Bucky and now we're talking before we were taping our videos,

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Speaker 1: Josh Dobbs, Josh Jobs just was brought it, brought it,

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Speaker 1: brought it. Uh. In the in the first half I

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Speaker 1: only watched the first half was one of eight, but

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Speaker 1: it wasn't as bad. Some drops, some drop balls, a

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Speaker 1: couple of touchdowns dropped too as well. Um big third

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Speaker 1: downs wide receivers really didn't help him out as much.

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Speaker 1: Second half being able to stay in the pocket all

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Speaker 1: three touchdown Patsy on the second half had somebody in

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Speaker 1: his face and made some plays. Finally, that uh that

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Speaker 1: fourth fourth best QB ranking Bucky Brooks put on the

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Speaker 1: Bucky's long since punted on that. Yeah, I mean, I know,

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Speaker 1: but you know what it feels good to do, and

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna lie. Um. So at the end of

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Speaker 1: day game, I might have waited a little bit. I

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Speaker 1: might have done I might I might have waited I

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Speaker 1: may I may have kind of serenaded Rocky Top to

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Speaker 1: the dog in the house because that was a big win.

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Speaker 1: That was a big win for the balls. I believe me.

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Speaker 1: I was singing Rocky Top all night. So go ahead,

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Speaker 1: give us the updated standings here, right, took updated big

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Speaker 1: step backward from me. Bad week for me, Buck, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: Bucky really uh lost one game? Only lost one? One game?

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Speaker 1: When nine and one? Uh? Let me, Oh you picked

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Speaker 1: you picked Utah? Um? Yes, Utah was your only loss,

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Speaker 1: and then then swapped it. But ye should have one?

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Speaker 1: No no no, no, no no, no, no, but away no he

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Speaker 1: picked Utah. Where where was your I picked us? See,

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Speaker 1: of course I did. I picked picked Tennessee. You win?

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Speaker 1: S Uh? Are you disputing this right now? Buck? You

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Speaker 1: think I think you might have gone undefeated? Oh? I

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Speaker 1: think I can't. I can't count it wrong. We have

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Speaker 1: some hanging chads, hanging chads, some hanging chads. Oh that

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Speaker 1: makes up for my fantasy Chucky Bucky going went Utah,

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Speaker 1: Michigan State. Oh yeah, that's right, that's right. We went

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Speaker 1: across the board. That's right. Yeah, s party got us all. Um.

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Speaker 1: So Bucky went nine and one. I went eight and two, DJ,

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Speaker 1: and can't win six and four overall standings thirty and ten.

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Speaker 1: Bucky storms into the lead. Rocky Top, Rocky Top, that's right,

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Speaker 1: can't and eleven. I went thirteen overall and DJ bringing

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Speaker 1: up three and fifty. So how many games back in

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Speaker 1: my your five? I can make that up, big week,

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Speaker 1: big bold this week? How about Notre Dame losing to Duke. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's a bad one. Yeah. When you come out and

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Speaker 1: say that we coached well, I think coach Kelly said,

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Speaker 1: you know, one thing I was happy with was the coaching,

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Speaker 1: and the next day he fired his defensive coordinator. Interesting,

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Speaker 1: interesting times in college football. Less Miles Buck, what's your thoughts?

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Speaker 1: You know, I think here's the thing. He's a victim

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Speaker 1: of his own success. And I will say, of course

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Speaker 1: he piggybacked off Nick saban success prior there. But I

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Speaker 1: remember in the you know, eighties, nineties, for a while

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Speaker 1: L s U was just an average team. And I

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Speaker 1: think any time a coach win seventies seven percent of

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Speaker 1: those games, man, it's just hard to justify it. And

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Speaker 1: so now that he's gone, they have to hit a

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Speaker 1: home run. It has to be a Tom Herman. It

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Speaker 1: has to be a Jimbo Fisher. I know Brian Kelly's

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Speaker 1: name has possibly been mentioned somebody through Dan Mullen's name,

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Speaker 1: and there actually kind of thought that could be a

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Speaker 1: good especially the first two people they contacted were Tom

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Speaker 1: Herman and Art Briles. That's that'd be a tough seal.

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Speaker 1: That'd be a tough sell. I don't know if that

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Speaker 1: would be a tough seal. And this is why I

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Speaker 1: say it won't necessarily be a tough seal In the SEC.

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Speaker 1: Football's king anything goes. But that's a bad situation in

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Speaker 1: Baylor though. Man, Yeah, I don't dispute that. But if

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Speaker 1: you give Art Brows that kind of talent, oh my gosh,

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Speaker 1: that kind of defense, Oh my gosh, you take the

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Speaker 1: politics out of it. Just imagine what he would have

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Speaker 1: done with like Jarvis Landry and Jeremy Hill and all

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Speaker 1: those guys, all those offensive weapons that they had. I

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Speaker 1: didn't know that. I didn't hadn't heard the Art Brow's name. Interesting.

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Speaker 1: What do you think about Dan mullin? Though? If you

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Speaker 1: can win, if you can win whatever you can. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what can you do with l s U? I felt

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Speaker 1: I felt like for Dan Mullen, does he fall forward

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Speaker 1: after losing. Well here's here's the other thing. Here's the

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Speaker 1: other thing though, And I'm I'm super intrigued by Tom Herman.

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Speaker 1: I love everything that he's done. But when everybody talks

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Speaker 1: about Tom Herman, the number one thing that they say, right,

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Speaker 1: what's the number one thing? Oh, he's been around urban Meyer.

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Speaker 1: Well you've got another coach has been around Urban Meyer

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Speaker 1: who's also gone on from being around urban Meyer to

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Speaker 1: being a successful guy in Starkville or Starkville, depends on

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Speaker 1: where you're from. Stark Vegas. Yeah, there you go. I

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Speaker 1: got one, But I'll throw another name in there. How

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Speaker 1: about because we now that, how about Lane Kiffin? That's

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Speaker 1: the funnel one, that's the tabloid one. Somebody had a

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Speaker 1: great line and said, this would be the ultimate Lane

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Speaker 1: Kiffin move, would be to would be too high because

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Speaker 1: or Dron is there right now? Right, they were together

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Speaker 1: at SC So they hired Lane Kiffin in season before

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Speaker 1: they play Alabama and he's the head coach against Alabama.

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Speaker 1: That is that's like the greatest reality that's like the

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Speaker 1: greatest reality show ever. Like what do you do you

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Speaker 1: promote Sark from? Like, uh yeah, because Stark's the ocean

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Speaker 1: waiting in it, I think. But I do think it's

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Speaker 1: interesting with Lane Kiffin uh potentially going there because if

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Speaker 1: you want some of the saving sauce, which it appears

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Speaker 1: that L s U fans want, they guys been sitting

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Speaker 1: there on the under saving. He's taking the program. Man,

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Speaker 1: We've seen the changes that he's made to the offense.

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Speaker 1: I think he might have some support in terms of

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Speaker 1: getting that job. I think the L s U job

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Speaker 1: is interesting. And I'm gonna say this about Tom Herman

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Speaker 1: because I like Tom Herman. I liked him like when

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Speaker 1: I had opportunity to be around him in the draft.

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Speaker 1: But man, we have anointed him like, oh, he's way

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Speaker 1: up there now. I mean he's he's all the way

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Speaker 1: up every coaching every coaching opening that's gonna happen for

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Speaker 1: that and and he's done a terrific job at Houston.

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Speaker 1: But I will say this about Houston. Houston has kind

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Speaker 1: of been an okay job already. You look at the

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Speaker 1: start Art Brows someone someone, everybody that's kind of gone

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Speaker 1: there has had a level of success. And you add

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Speaker 1: in the fact that their boosters are throwing money out him,

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Speaker 1: They're building new facilities, huge recruiting banks around there in

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Speaker 1: Houston like that. That's a growing power right there then,

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Speaker 1: and Herman's kind of he's not doing it with Kevin

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Speaker 1: Copp though, right having to do it with Greg war

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Speaker 1: He's I'm just saying, look, I love I love, I

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Speaker 1: love the stuff that he's done so far. It's a

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Speaker 1: very limited resume. But I think you go back and

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Speaker 1: look what he did with that offensive Ohio State, and

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Speaker 1: when he left Ohio State, didn't I mean, he has

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Speaker 1: didn't look the same. He has a lot of things

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Speaker 1: working in his favor. And look he's he's gonna he's

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Speaker 1: gonna get six seven million dollars a year. He's the

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Speaker 1: pretty girl. He's a better job, better better job though,

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Speaker 1: if a c where to open up, better job L

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Speaker 1: s U or usc L l s U is a

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Speaker 1: better job just because the high bed of recruiting talent

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Speaker 1: desert around there. Um, the SEC look no disrespect to

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Speaker 1: out West in the Packsville in the SEC. In the South,

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Speaker 1: it's it's football. It's all ball all the time. And

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Speaker 1: I think what you're able to do down in the

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Speaker 1: South in terms of the recruiting, in terms of kind

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Speaker 1: of implementing the program that you want. I think you

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Speaker 1: do it without restrictions. If you're one of those we

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Speaker 1: call it kind of like that dirty the dirty recruiting.

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Speaker 1: You can do it because you're in l s U.

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Speaker 1: They want to win, they want to win at a

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Speaker 1: high level. I just think it's a different thing than see. However,

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Speaker 1: Tom Hermer's from out here. He went to KO Lutheran. Um.

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Speaker 1: There might be a kin to coming home in a way.

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Speaker 1: All right, let me just let me I'm just gonna

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Speaker 1: take the other side of this, devil devil's advocate here.

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Speaker 1: You said, Alice, use a better job. Great recruits down there,

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Speaker 1: no question um, especially defensive lineman, they're unbelievable. But you've

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Speaker 1: got Kali, Southern California's hotbed as well. Here's here's who

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Speaker 1: you have to who. Here's who you have to beat

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Speaker 1: out to go to the conference championship. I know Colorado, Yes,

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Speaker 1: U c l A, Arizona, Arizona State, or Utah. Now

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Speaker 1: you want to take travel that route or you want

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Speaker 1: to go down there and mess around with the greatest

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Speaker 1: coach of all time in college football and the powerhouse

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Speaker 1: in Alabama. You gotta do with Arkansas. I gotta do

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Speaker 1: with Arkansas and that physically you got Old miss and

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Speaker 1: all those athletes they're gonna throw out. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: a tougher road, like everyone want to sign up for that.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, the the uh the coach that's

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Speaker 1: at Alabama used to be at l s U and

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Speaker 1: you're expected to beat him right after gate immediately m

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Speaker 1: And in the expectations of USC, they might win like

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Speaker 1: five games this year. The expectations that USC have never been, well,

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Speaker 1: have never been lower than they will be at this

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Speaker 1: point in time. If you go to USC next year

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Speaker 1: and he goes nine and four, he can energize and

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Speaker 1: gets in the conference championship game. I mean, and let's

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Speaker 1: say this. Let's say this for the time being, with

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Speaker 1: the athletes that they have at USC, in the offense

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Speaker 1: that we've seen him run, not only don't hire your state,

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Speaker 1: but Houston, it would be easy for him to go

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Speaker 1: and get playmakers. And then the one thing that SC

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Speaker 1: has never had, but it would be a change for

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Speaker 1: them is imagine if he's able to get one of

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Speaker 1: those dynamic athletic quarterbacks around at SC that could run

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Speaker 1: around the guy that got I think Donald can run

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Speaker 1: around a little, could do to be able to do stuff. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: to do some of those things, that would be a

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Speaker 1: change because even in that conference, we haven't really seen

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Speaker 1: that Oregon has kind of changed a little bit. It

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Speaker 1: certainly would be intriguing. The other thing that I say

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Speaker 1: with Tom Herman and I know you talked about Houston

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Speaker 1: and facilities or whatever, the path the least resistance. If

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Speaker 1: Houston say they're going to the Big twil We've seen

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Speaker 1: him knock off Oklahoma. We've seen them kind of knock

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Speaker 1: around Florida State. You know. I mean, I don't know

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Speaker 1: who is the tough defensive power in that conference. But

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Speaker 1: he takes his offense, he's already there. Maybe he gets

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Speaker 1: a statue in Houston and kind of becomes a guy.

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Speaker 1: But we'll see how I'm interesting to see see what happens.

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Speaker 1: All right, Buck, let's uh, let's jump back over to

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Speaker 1: the NFL side. Actually, this kind of bridge the gap

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Speaker 1: because we're gonna talk about the process of going through

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Speaker 1: your college career and then wanting to pursue that NFL career,

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Speaker 1: but but going undrafted, and that's where we find ourselves

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Speaker 1: right now. With Jeremiah Allison, one of the stars of

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Speaker 1: the undrafted series, sitting down to join us. All right, Bucky,

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Speaker 1: we've got a movie star. We've got a movie star

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Speaker 1: in the studio. We've got the star of the Undrafted series,

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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Allison, former linebacker at Washington State of Cougar up there,

640
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Speaker 1: and by the way, one of my I don't know,

641
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Speaker 1: I would say, sneaky favorite place to visit the scout

642
00:29:00,520 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 1: up there in the police. Just don't get caught speeding

643
00:29:02,160 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 1: through Colfax. That was exactly what I'm talking about. How

644
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: you doing, man? Pretty good man? How about you? I'm

645
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: doing great now. Now I want to start right there.

646
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: Maybe the worst speeding trap for scouts in the country

647
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 1: is driving up to Washington State, going up through coal Fax.

648
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:17,960
Speaker 1: Have you ever gotten a ticket going through there? You know?

649
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,479
Speaker 1: I actually put my car on cruise control when I

650
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:24,360
Speaker 1: go through co Fax, just to make sure if anything's happened.

651
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: I was on cruise control. I know what how fast

652
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: I was going. Yeah, I I haven't got one ticket

653
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 1: in coal Fax because I've gotten two tickets. Got not go. Oh,

654
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 1: I'm not going back. I'm going I'm gonna go see

655
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,200
Speaker 1: Washington State play on the road. How has this experience

656
00:29:38,240 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 1: been for you? Man? It's it's it's interesting time in

657
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: your life when you're going from finishing your college career

658
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 1: to pursuing your professional career. It's another thing to have

659
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,160
Speaker 1: cameras kind of documenting the whole thing. How has this

660
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 1: been for you? Well, it's definitely been a blessing. I

661
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 1: would say that, Um, you know, to have my life

662
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:56,840
Speaker 1: story on camera, Um, you know it because it documented. Um.

663
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:59,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's very stressful because some things don't turn out

664
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Speaker 1: the way you expect them to turn out, or you

665
00:30:01,000 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: intend them to turn out. However, I mean, it's it's

666
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 1: definitely a blessing. I'm not taking anything from it. You

667
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: know what I'm thinking about that you talk about how

668
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: you want things to turn out and how they haven't

669
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Speaker 1: necessarily gone according to script. Talk a little bit about

670
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,720
Speaker 1: your journey since you love Washington State and what you've

671
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,400
Speaker 1: been doing in terms of trying to kind of keep

672
00:30:19,040 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: the dream alive in terms of pursuing your NFL career. So,

673
00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: I mean, as of lately, I have to stay active. Um.

674
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: You know the reason why I just stay active because

675
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 1: I don't want to mine to get the roman work

676
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: places places it doesn't need to roll. So one thing

677
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,120
Speaker 1: that I do. I do is always stay active and

678
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: whether I'm studying for the l s AT or you know,

679
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 1: making strides towards my you know, legal career. Um, but

680
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: you know I'm still training. Um. You know, my agent

681
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: calls and say, oh, well, this hea't want to give

682
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:47,560
Speaker 1: you a try out, or this team want to see

683
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:49,160
Speaker 1: you run the forty, or this he wanted to see

684
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: you do something. So every time my phone rings, I'm

685
00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,640
Speaker 1: on edge because like it's just the call. It's just

686
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:56,640
Speaker 1: the call. It is a call. But I mean, at

687
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I have to only control

688
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: with what I can control. For those that haven't seen

689
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 1: the series, it's it's fantastic, by the way, the Undrafted series. Um,

690
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 1: the one of the things that's really I mean, it's

691
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,600
Speaker 1: it's emotional really when you watch your story and what

692
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: you've been through in your life. Um, you know, growing

693
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,360
Speaker 1: up in Minnesota, parents get separate, you end up moving

694
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: out to Los Angeles, going to Dorsey High School out there,

695
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: your mom has just been your backbone. You you you

696
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 1: get straight a's in college, you end up going on

697
00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: or in high school, you end up going on to

698
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: Washington State. And while you're you know this story, This

699
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,240
Speaker 1: amazing story is developing. You have just an unfortunate and

700
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: awful situation there with your mother. Yeah. I think it

701
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: took me a while to understand what happened. I mean

702
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,640
Speaker 1: because you know, at the end of the day, we're human,

703
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,960
Speaker 1: and my my first initial question was why me? Um.

704
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Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I found a

705
00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: way to look at it in a positive light. Um,

706
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 1: because when it first happened, I was I was shocked. Uh.

707
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: And then you know, as some people know, my mom

708
00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: actually staying to reduced coma for seven months, so it

709
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: happened to some before teenth and I just so happened

710
00:31:58,320 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: to get recruited by Washington Stay eight December fourteen. They

711
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: came to my school and then, um, you know, I

712
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: got the call my mom my movie, she's not breathing,

713
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,880
Speaker 1: And I instantly jumped in my car. And I don't

714
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 1: know how I got from Dorsey to the East Side

715
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: by free minded ten minutes, but I was there, no

716
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:17,280
Speaker 1: speeding ticket or anything. But um, I don't know. As

717
00:32:17,320 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 1: I look back on it, I really you know, I

718
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 1: am thankful that it happened that way then, opposed to

719
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 1: my mom just leaving December fourteen, because I had a

720
00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 1: chance to one live on my own, um, and you know,

721
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 1: prepare myself for life without my mother, and to my

722
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 1: I felt that my mom didn't rest until she knew

723
00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 1: I was out of l A in college on the

724
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: football team and you know, doing good things for myself

725
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: that you know we had planned all along. You know

726
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 1: a lot of young guys go to college and they

727
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: don't have a backup plan. You're in a situation where, yes,

728
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: you want to pursue your dreams, but it's very clear

729
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: in appearance that you have a backup plane. You talked

730
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:57,560
Speaker 1: about studying for the Elsie, which prepares you to go

731
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: to law school and those things. How were you able

732
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: to come from a tough environment you still have the

733
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Speaker 1: warrewthall to make a plan to use education to be

734
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: one of the things that helps you get out of

735
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: that environment. Well, my biggest thing was I understood the

736
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 1: big picture. Um, you know, I hear. I know a

737
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,160
Speaker 1: lot of guys you know at Dorsey, you know, you

738
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:17,320
Speaker 1: went to NFL, and you know some of them not

739
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,560
Speaker 1: in NFL anymore, and they always would come back and

740
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: tell us that the NFL stands for not for long.

741
00:33:22,440 --> 00:33:24,920
Speaker 1: So my thing was I had to equip myself with

742
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: the tools to make sure I was successful after football.

743
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: So I took a liking of law when I was

744
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 1: a kid. Um, I was like, you know what, I

745
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: want to know my rights. And I've been playing chess

746
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: since I was three. So when I went to Dorsey,

747
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: in order for me to get into Dorsey had to

748
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: be in a magnet program. And just so happened that

749
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 1: Dorsey was had a law magnet program. So I'm like, oh,

750
00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 1: let me, you know, check it out. And then um,

751
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: I was on the debate team. So I said, okay,

752
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:52,000
Speaker 1: it's like chess, you gotta you know, strategically beat your

753
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,120
Speaker 1: opponent out. And then um, you know, things went on

754
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: and I'm like, man, I really I found my niche

755
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: I like this, do you have a NFL team that

756
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:02,320
Speaker 1: you followed growing up that you were a fan of.

757
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,320
Speaker 1: So I was born in Minneapolis. Um, you know, of

758
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 1: course I got a chance to meet then his Green.

759
00:34:07,800 --> 00:34:10,320
Speaker 1: You know, they're laid in his Green and Randy Moss

760
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,640
Speaker 1: and Chris Carter all at the Boys and Girls Club.

761
00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: So then when they start to disperse, and uh, you know,

762
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 1: they weren't longer no longer with the Minnesota Vikings. I've

763
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: seen Brett Farve down the street, I said, and then

764
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: I was a reblation why I wanted to go get

765
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: the house. So I'm like, I'm a great Bay fan,

766
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: you know nice. So what's your take? Now? You said

767
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: you've got a debate background. Now I just need to know. Look,

768
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:34,160
Speaker 1: my guy here, Bucky said last week he thought Cody

769
00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,280
Speaker 1: Kesler was gonna throw for more yards Rodgers. So basically

770
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,400
Speaker 1: what he was saying is he really thinks. So just

771
00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: debate him a little bit. Just tell him why Aaron

772
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,399
Speaker 1: Rodgers is the best quarterback in the NFL. I mean,

773
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: you know, statistics speak for themselves. I mean you can't

774
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: really argue the fact. And I mean, um, we actually

775
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,359
Speaker 1: had an argument about that on the bus when we're

776
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,640
Speaker 1: going to a game, and um it just so happened

777
00:34:55,680 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 1: to be a no cow so cow argument. And they said, well,

778
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: the best players come out of no count. I said,

779
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: how So they said, well we got Aaron Rodgers, Marshall Outledge,

780
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 1: and I was like, okay, I fine, you within, but

781
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I mean, Aaron Rodgers,

782
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: he's a champion. You can't argue with a champion. The

783
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 1: Cable making that argument, Well, Lebron don't have a ring,

784
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: he can't be the greatest. I mean, Aaron Rodgers have

785
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: a ring, no doubt. You don't have to argue for

786
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:22,760
Speaker 1: Cody Customer. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna. I'm just gonna.

787
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 1: I'll say I'll take that take gift gift. I'll tell

788
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:28,439
Speaker 1: you what you you. Uh. We wish you the best

789
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,279
Speaker 1: of luck in your future going for We want you

790
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 1: to chase that dream. Such a mature guy, though. Man,

791
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: you're you've got two dreams going on on different tracks,

792
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: and you're making it happen. And we're we're proud of you.

793
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: Were rooting for you, and we look forward to watching

794
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 1: the show. It's at eight pm Eastern Tuesday's Undrafted on

795
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: NFL Network. You're gonna hear all about Jeremiah story. It's fascinating.

796
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: Wish you the best of luck you. I gotta say,

797
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: go Couban, there you go, go, go coub alright, black Well,

798
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: that's uh, that's gonna do it for us. You're my Alice,

799
00:35:55,040 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: a neat guy. Huh, very intriguing, very compelling, uh interesting story. Uh.

800
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,200
Speaker 1: I wish the best for him either way. Where there's

801
00:36:02,200 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: football where it's the legal profession. He seemed like he

802
00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:06,680
Speaker 1: has a nice plan in place. I'm sure to work

803
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:08,200
Speaker 1: out for him. Yeah, we get a lot of a

804
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: lot of personnel. Guys listen to this, so hey popping

805
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 1: that tape. Look at it one more time so we

806
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: can give me my man a shot here, give me

807
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: a try out. See what he can do. He's a

808
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 1: great kid, and uh again, very very smart guy. Got

809
00:36:18,040 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: his got his law, his law thing going on, and

810
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: it's not a bad fallback plan. So it's cool to

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Speaker 1: visit with him. We had a lot of a lot

812
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: of fun talking NFL and college football today. A big

813
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 1: episode coming up on Thursday, buck to preview the weekend,

814
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: and we've got a ton of videos for everybody to

815
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: check out on YouTube right now. Absolutely, Uh make sure

816
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: you go back and and see some of the old

817
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,439
Speaker 1: videos that we had, especially the top throws and things

818
00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: that we've been putting up, and also look forward to

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00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: these preview pieces that we're gonna do on Thursdayah, lots

820
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: to lots to get to here before the weekend comes.

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Speaker 1: But it's been a fun day. Sully, nice job behind

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00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,080
Speaker 1: the class, our junior kicking butt as always and uh buck,

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Speaker 1: We'll be back here next week do it all over again,

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Speaker 1: Actually Thursday, forgetting next week about Thursday. Thanks for downloading

825
00:36:58,239 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: Moved the Sticks with then Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. For more,

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Speaker 1: go to NFL dot com slash Podcasts