WEBVTT - Ep. 221: The Perfect Rock 0:00:08.960 --> 0:00:13.320 This is me eater podcast coming at you shirtless, severely 0:00:13.440 --> 0:00:18.360 bug bitten, and in my case, underwear listening podcast. You 0:00:18.360 --> 0:00:22.600 can't predict anything presented by on X. Hunt creators are 0:00:22.600 --> 0:00:26.160 the most comprehensive digital mapping system for hunters. Download the 0:00:26.239 --> 0:00:29.440 Hunt app from the iTunes or Google play store. Nor 0:00:29.440 --> 0:00:35.879 where you stand with on X. I'll tell you what 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:38.120 I'm cooking right now. If you want to know my 0:00:38.159 --> 0:00:43.760 new um invention. Yes, it's you take the two legs 0:00:43.800 --> 0:00:48.680 off a turkey, okay, thighs and drumsticks. You stick them 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.520 in a big old pot like a lock crusade dutch 0:00:52.600 --> 0:00:58.320 op and type pot, and then uh, capping with water, 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:00.440 just covering with water. You know order this is going. 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:03.080 But then you put in a whole ton of garlic, 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:06.480 don't do anything to it, just peel it, any quartering onion, 0:01:07.280 --> 0:01:14.840 put it a whole ton of hoistened sauce, bullion, salt, pepper, 0:01:15.280 --> 0:01:19.720 and a whole ton of ginger. Oh, then putting your 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:26.680 oven at two seventy five all day long. And oh 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:29.120 you know the fact that I used to kind of 0:01:29.120 --> 0:01:31.200 think that adding all kinds of junk to your braising 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:34.800 liquid didn't matter. It was stupid. I mean I used 0:01:34.800 --> 0:01:36.600 to like put my pants and I was a little 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:41.640 kid too, Like people change over time, but uh, some 0:01:41.720 --> 0:01:48.560 people that was indefensible position. You cannot make up for 0:01:48.600 --> 0:01:52.400 it later. So how are you serving that stuff? Well, 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:54.040 the problem is you pulled out and you think you're 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:55.480 gonna make something with it, but you just eat it 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:59.360 all like that. That's all right, Yeah, I just eat 0:01:59.400 --> 0:02:00.800 it all like that. The minute you can tear it 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:03.760 apart with a fork, I think you're going like street tacos. 0:02:04.200 --> 0:02:07.200 Well that was the intention, or you put it on sandos, 0:02:07.280 --> 0:02:10.119 make barbecue sandwiches and stuff like that. God's just good 0:02:10.160 --> 0:02:12.440 like that tonight? I got it right now. I just 0:02:12.440 --> 0:02:15.519 pulled out of my oven. What do I think about doing? 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.320 Is um just setting that whole thing down on the tabletop. 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:27.520 Oh yeah, just be like digging. Watch the bones so good. 0:02:29.080 --> 0:02:31.440 I did the the old street taco last night with 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:36.800 turkey legs. Why were you on the street No kitchen taco, 0:02:36.880 --> 0:02:43.600 kitchen taco, backyard taco. But you cook the legs, legs 0:02:43.600 --> 0:02:47.200 and thighs pulled it. You know what else? I got 0:02:47.240 --> 0:02:49.600 in there with my thing? What I haven't sampled you 0:02:49.639 --> 0:02:51.760 as I threw a hunk of bear scrap in there, 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:56.160 just a scrap of bear meat, just to see just 0:02:57.440 --> 0:03:00.200 when you made your tacos, would you put on them 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:07.760 as far as like fictions fixings, Yeah, some avocado, some um, 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:14.800 a little bit of lime, um, some onion, some taco sauce, um, 0:03:14.840 --> 0:03:18.720 sour cream, not even real fancy. If you really want 0:03:18.720 --> 0:03:23.600 to please your woman, Seth, what I would do is 0:03:24.760 --> 0:03:28.760 pick the meat. Yeah okay, lightly tossed it with some 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:30.720 oil and kind of fluff it up so it looks 0:03:30.720 --> 0:03:34.160 like a little bird's nest. Stick it under your broiler, 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:37.360 then put it on your taco. That's what I usually. 0:03:37.400 --> 0:03:38.920 I didn't do it last night because it's been lazy, 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:42.640 but usually I payan fry it then. Oh yeah, um 0:03:42.840 --> 0:03:48.960 the uh chew picabra seasoning, the green taco seasoning which 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:51.920 brought these kids thinks too spicy. That's right. Every kid 0:03:51.960 --> 0:03:55.480 on the planet thinks that's too spicy. Mine, don't kids 0:03:55.520 --> 0:03:58.000 have no problem with tough little kids. You get that 0:03:58.040 --> 0:04:01.720 stuff into the air in the kitchen, it'll definitely put 0:04:01.760 --> 0:04:08.080 you down. Um, but really, oh yeah, absolutely, just you're 0:04:08.120 --> 0:04:11.280 just like inhaling it. Free floating particles can picture that, um, 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.120 I tossed elk shank and that stuff, threw it on 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:20.600 the grill, got it all looking nice, and then through 0:04:20.640 --> 0:04:26.080 that and the suvie for like a long time, twelve 0:04:26.360 --> 0:04:31.640 plus hours, and then pulled it out once. My My 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.520 test for a shank and the suvie is to try 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.400 to find where the tendon is coming out all clear. 0:04:38.839 --> 0:04:40.680 And if you can poke that tendon and it just 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:44.880 kind of splits apart and forms around your finger, then 0:04:44.960 --> 0:04:50.200 the elk shank's done. Now do you always grill pre suvie? Well, 0:04:50.240 --> 0:04:52.719 you know, I told you had the antelope neck in 0:04:52.760 --> 0:04:56.560 there too, and I didn't grill it prior to I 0:04:56.640 --> 0:05:00.120 just threw it in the bag. And and I'm wondering 0:05:00.000 --> 0:05:02.680 and if that's why it took that, because when you 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:06.280 charter something, it's supposed to create like the what is 0:05:06.320 --> 0:05:10.479 that my yard process, which is uh, you know, it's 0:05:10.560 --> 0:05:14.640 starting to break down. Not familiar with it. Um, So 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:20.520 I'm wondering if growing the shank accelerated the shank breaking 0:05:20.520 --> 0:05:23.480 down that much faster than the antelope neck that had 0:05:23.480 --> 0:05:26.040 already been in there for twenty four hours, and the 0:05:26.080 --> 0:05:30.240 shank got done faster than the antalope neck anyway, pulled 0:05:30.240 --> 0:05:37.120 the shank out, uh, pulled all that meat and dusted 0:05:37.160 --> 0:05:42.240 at real heavy with the chio picabra green taco. And 0:05:44.360 --> 0:05:47.160 I'm still working our way through our spice kit by 0:05:47.160 --> 0:05:50.000 the way, and it's kind of like welling alphabetical son 0:05:50.000 --> 0:05:54.880 of a gun. That's good. Um. And put some of 0:05:54.880 --> 0:05:58.560 that way goo bee fat in the skillet and crisped 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:05.560 it up that way. That makes a mean kitchen taco. Yeah. Actually, 0:06:05.600 --> 0:06:09.520 Maggie came over and filmed in the garage a gun 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.599 set up video that we did, and so I got 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:18.960 a feed her kitchen tacos and she enjoyed. She approved good. Yeah, 0:06:19.040 --> 0:06:23.000 all right, that's good stuff. Um, so let's talk about 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:25.560 my my draw. I drew them out and go tag 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:30.880 real quick, um, not real quicklation. Steve just got word 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.720 today and I was unsuccessful. I just got word today. 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.080 How many years did you put in? Well, I was 0:06:37.120 --> 0:06:39.480 putting in before they even came out with bonus points. 0:06:41.200 --> 0:06:54.200 Approximately what year did you start more than half your life? No? Yeah? Better? 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:06.040 Not only um was he good at math, but just 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:08.760 like has a real way of making it feel profound. 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:13.520 You're right, half my life, yeah, Drew, But check this out. 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.160 My brother moved to this state. Granted he never moved way, 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:19.360 he just stayed put. He moved to this state right 0:07:19.400 --> 0:07:24.560 when I did. Okay, In that in that time, he 0:07:24.640 --> 0:07:30.880 drew Mountain, goat Moose. There's like, I should give you 0:07:30.880 --> 0:07:32.800 a little background. There's three tags that are real hard 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:34.920 to draw. Here. I mean there's all kinds of special units. 0:07:34.960 --> 0:07:38.480 But in the state of Montana there's three Moose, sheep 0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:40.440 and gold are like real hard to draw. In most 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:43.400 days all over the West, moose, sheep and go hard 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:47.440 to draw U. And the time that I've been putting 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:55.400 in so so, he drew goat moose, big horn, go again. Okay, 0:07:56.440 --> 0:08:00.480 and I drew finally go. And when he draw, when 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:01.760 he dream out and go the first time he had 0:08:01.800 --> 0:08:04.400 to go, wait seven years to start all drawn again 0:08:04.640 --> 0:08:07.680 and waited seven years draw another damn go take. Yeah. 0:08:07.880 --> 0:08:11.160 I think he's quite applying now, right. He's taking himself barely. 0:08:11.240 --> 0:08:13.640 Even when he drew his last go tag, he barely 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:17.680 even went yea, he half asked it. But he's doing 0:08:17.720 --> 0:08:20.040 that not because he's kind of over it, but because 0:08:20.200 --> 0:08:22.720 I think he thinks he feels like he should take 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.640 himself out of the running, right, really he told you that. 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.760 I don't know. So he's just bored of it. He's 0:08:29.800 --> 0:08:31.480 like what it was like. He was like, I'm gonna 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:33.000 get it elk, then I'll go get him out. He 0:08:33.080 --> 0:08:35.840 wanted to get it out. But I'm saying he don't 0:08:35.840 --> 0:08:38.600 think he's participating anymore in the draws. He's still applying 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:43.000 for sheep again. I thought the story was he yanked 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:47.720 himself out because he's already already done it. So did 0:08:47.720 --> 0:08:53.040 he get the second go? No, he didn't really care. 0:08:54.600 --> 0:08:57.840 He got his once in a lifetime tags taken care of. 0:08:58.120 --> 0:09:01.120 If you don't care, I guess, don't apply. I'm chexting 0:09:01.200 --> 0:09:02.800 them right now in case people are wondering what happened 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:04.960 to the host. But they're not. They're not once in 0:09:04.960 --> 0:09:09.280 a lifetime in Montana, obviously for most people. They are. 0:09:09.120 --> 0:09:15.000 You can you can talk to that point. Yeah, I'm 0:09:15.000 --> 0:09:19.360 gonna have to have a long life, a long, long, 0:09:19.720 --> 0:09:22.560 ppable life, so now. But but the point being, you're 0:09:22.640 --> 0:09:25.200 you're all upset about how you've been putting in and 0:09:25.280 --> 0:09:27.640 never drew. But they didn't start doing that. They didn't 0:09:27.640 --> 0:09:32.240 start doing bonus points until until later. Well. Yeah, and 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:35.520 and to the state of Montana. So what year did 0:09:35.520 --> 0:09:37.600 you really put were you really putting in before I was? 0:09:37.640 --> 0:09:41.280 Were you really putting in back? And you're wrong, You 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:46.200 honestly did put in years. Yeah. I mean I've been 0:09:46.360 --> 0:09:52.080 putting in since I was able to apply, right, unless 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:55.240 my dad was just totally screwing with me lying yeah, 0:09:55.400 --> 0:09:57.079 he's like a son. I didn't give you any allowance 0:09:57.080 --> 0:10:03.000 because I put you in for a goat u. Um. Yeah, 0:10:03.040 --> 0:10:05.240 but yeah, I mean the whole bonus point thing. I 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:07.240 just hate that that's even a part of the conversation. 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:11.239 We've already talked about that. It's the worst thing Montana's 0:10:11.400 --> 0:10:17.560 ever done to people, other than let nonresidents apply. You know, 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:22.480 they should be ashamed the whole state. Um. You weren't 0:10:22.480 --> 0:10:24.640 saying that tune when you were living in Idaho and 0:10:24.720 --> 0:10:28.280 still applying over here, were you. Yeah? I mean, honestly, 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.199 here's where I screwed myself a little bit too. I 0:10:31.320 --> 0:10:37.600 was so disgusted and heartbroken and ashamed to call myself Montana. Uh, 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:40.080 due to the fact that we instituted a bonus point 0:10:40.080 --> 0:10:43.440 program that's not even really a bonus point um that 0:10:43.600 --> 0:10:48.400 I refused to even purchase them. A few years, which 0:10:48.600 --> 0:10:51.000 you know only hurts myself. Why is it not at true? 0:10:51.440 --> 0:10:57.079 What you were so upset you quit drawing? No, I 0:10:57.120 --> 0:11:01.600 had applied, but I wouldn't get the bonus point. Huh 0:11:01.800 --> 0:11:05.000 yeah makes zero? Can you real quick explain to people 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:07.400 what a bonus point is the case they're curious, and 0:11:07.440 --> 0:11:11.080 then to explain why you would, um, why you would 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.440 do that to yourself? And then three why it's not 0:11:15.520 --> 0:11:17.640 a bonus point? You know what they call it that? 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:25.520 And for what system you prepare? Uh? Order again, I'm 0:11:25.520 --> 0:11:28.280 gonna go from from top to bottom. What system I prefer? 0:11:31.640 --> 0:11:35.880 What is it we're talking about? Um? So, a bonus 0:11:35.960 --> 0:11:42.800 point is basically a uh something that instead of putting 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:44.480 your name in the hat once, you put your name 0:11:44.480 --> 0:11:50.720 in the hat twice. If you have a bonus point, yeah, 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:52.839 go for it. I hate it so much. I mean 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:57.000 it's just stupid. Let's say you have a uh let's 0:11:57.000 --> 0:12:00.640 say the interest in the resource outweighs the source and 0:12:00.720 --> 0:12:03.880 you have, um you have You've determined that you can 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.199 kill ten mountain goats out of a mountain range without 0:12:07.280 --> 0:12:10.120 damaging the population. But there's a hundred people that are like, 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.800 I'll go, well, you gotta pick ten of them. So 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.640 they picked ten of them by having a drawing, and 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.800 now all hundred of those people sending an application, they 0:12:17.840 --> 0:12:20.480 send ten of them a tag. What happens the other 0:12:20.559 --> 0:12:24.120 ninety people, They say to them, but here's a consolation prize. 0:12:24.240 --> 0:12:26.680 You get a bonus point. So the next year, we 0:12:26.720 --> 0:12:28.320 do the same thing all over if you pay an 0:12:28.320 --> 0:12:30.040 extra two dollars give me. If you give us two 0:12:30.040 --> 0:12:32.480 dollars dollars or ten dollars or fifty years next year 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.160 and we do this all over again, you'll get an 0:12:35.200 --> 0:12:37.319 extra point, meaning your name will be in the hat 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:40.439 two times next year because you're a loyal customer. Ten 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:42.960 years goes by. This guy is like, I still have 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:44.480 a drawing in these damn tags. You're like, well, I 0:12:44.480 --> 0:12:46.760 guess what, buddy, your name goes in the hat now 0:12:46.800 --> 0:12:49.360 ten times because you've tried ten times. And that keeps 0:12:49.400 --> 0:12:52.079 some whipper snapper who hasn't been with the program and 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:55.520 hasn't been participating from coming in and gobbling up tag 0:12:55.559 --> 0:12:57.240 out from under a guy who should be getting some 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.920 preferential treatment for the fact that he's a return customer. 0:13:00.120 --> 0:13:04.719 Doesn't Montana square them, not at first. Now they square them, 0:13:04.720 --> 0:13:06.600 so when I send my stuff in, I'm in there 0:13:06.640 --> 0:13:09.480 like fos, which I love the fact that you guys 0:13:09.480 --> 0:13:13.120 are like so excited about it, right because it's like, 0:13:13.280 --> 0:13:21.240 oh gosh, free here tomorrow. Okay, So, now, what's what's 0:13:21.280 --> 0:13:22.680 wrong with the system? You think it should be the 0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.720 young waper snappers come in and have the same rights 0:13:28.520 --> 0:13:33.400 as as a repeat die hard sticking to it, long 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:41.440 time supporter conservationist conservationist. What I think is, once you 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:44.360 draw a tag, you should be done if you are successful, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:47.319 so it's more of a once in a lifetime thing 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:49.880 and then that just accomplishes. Okay, but that's not what 0:13:49.880 --> 0:13:53.480 we're talking about. Um. That was question number four on 0:13:53.520 --> 0:14:00.160 this topic. I believe, um. Yeah, And and I think 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:06.040 this idea of like accruing points when everybody else is 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:09.680 on the same points system and then everybody's points gets 0:14:09.720 --> 0:14:12.560 squared at the same time, and it's just adds a 0:14:12.559 --> 0:14:16.920 bunch of bureauq cradic crap to this system. The whole 0:14:17.040 --> 0:14:20.760 the systems bureaucratic. Yeah. By definition, it's put on by 0:14:20.800 --> 0:14:26.520 a bureau and then folks like me who just like 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:30.640 to think about hunting in the outside and enjoying life 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:36.760 have you started thinking about math in regards to you 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:38.560 don't get to write down how many times you ought 0:14:38.560 --> 0:14:42.400 to be in there. Um. We were on a conversation today, 0:14:42.680 --> 0:14:49.600 right Sam Longern, And uh, he's like, yeah, it's the 0:14:49.640 --> 0:14:51.560 first year that I really gotten the nitty gritty And 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.640 I started comparing all the units and all the bet 0:14:56.240 --> 0:14:58.040 and I found out that this one gives me a 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.280 one point nine percent chance of rying. And that's the 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.640 unit where I drew the tag. It's like, oh boy, 0:15:04.760 --> 0:15:08.640 that first you made me hate moose hunting, and then 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:13.680 you got a moose tag that great. Um, dude, To 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.480 be honest with you, cow this is like, I mean, 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:21.440 it's in the best possible way, but the criticism you're 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:25.840 given is like it just sounds like, um, what's the 0:15:25.840 --> 0:15:32.800 word I'm looking for, oldge whining. Oh listen, I'm not 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:34.640 gonna stand up there and say I'm the I'm the 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:38.640 smart guy in the room for not buying into the system. Like, uh, 0:15:38.840 --> 0:15:42.120 everybody else, who'd I can walk off the bridge? They 0:15:42.120 --> 0:15:47.480 saw somebody else walk off the bridge. Um, hey, there's 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:49.800 a lot of stages. Yeah, there's states they don't do 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:51.640 it like they don't do it in Alaska, which is 0:15:51.640 --> 0:15:56.760 a great state to you know, do through the permit, Idaho, 0:15:57.200 --> 0:16:04.960 New Mexico, Wyoming, goats and Buffalo. Still, yeah, Montana for bison. 0:16:05.320 --> 0:16:08.680 My approach on it. They don't do bonus points for bison. No, 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:11.400 it's as far as I know, it's all everyone in 0:16:11.480 --> 0:16:14.880 the same chance, which is a lottery, which is what 0:16:15.000 --> 0:16:19.200 pure lottery, which is what you prefer. Yeah, everyone's got 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:21.480 the same chance. And you think the minute, let's say 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:24.840 it is pure lottery, it's pure lottery. You think the 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:29.080 minute someone goes in and reads the provided pamphlet, and 0:16:29.120 --> 0:16:34.400 the provided pamphlet gives you the percentage chances you'd have 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:37.080 of drawing a tag, that not only ruins the draw 0:16:37.200 --> 0:16:42.080 but it ruins the hunting for that species. No, it doesn't. 0:16:42.360 --> 0:16:46.040 I just don't like having that stuff forced upon me. 0:16:46.120 --> 0:16:48.480 And I've run into so many people in the hunting 0:16:48.560 --> 0:16:52.480 industry where it's like that's their brand, and it's like 0:16:53.240 --> 0:17:00.640 statistics and then the inches and then then and just 0:17:00.920 --> 0:17:02.760 you just want to go hunting, man, I just want 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:06.200 to go hunting. That's why I pay attention to the drugs. 0:17:09.040 --> 0:17:11.280 That's a great way to get a lot of extra opportunity. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.399 Is looking at that little charge you if you're on 0:17:15.480 --> 0:17:17.399 the mark or not. You know, it's a it's an 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.040 in good faith sense of entitlement too. It's like, well, 0:17:22.080 --> 0:17:24.560 I'm I'm a good guy and I help lots of 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:27.879 people learn how to hunt, and I had faithfully apply 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.440 every time, even though I think the system is god 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.880 awful and terrible and Montana ruined it for no good 0:17:34.960 --> 0:17:39.000 reason halfway through my life. Um, I should just get 0:17:39.040 --> 0:17:42.359 one of those tags here one of these days. And 0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:46.199 it's just not what what is the why do they 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:50.080 why do they do it? Like? What is the what? What? What? 0:17:50.080 --> 0:17:53.280 What's to gain from doing the system? They make more 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:56.640 revenue somehow, Yeah they're they were making more revenue. Yeah. 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:59.160 I bet One thing it does is it creates dudes 0:17:59.200 --> 0:18:01.600 like me who are damned, you're not gonna miss a 0:18:01.680 --> 0:18:05.720 year because you gotta get them points. Yeah, it's like 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:09.280 frequent flyer mentality. Yeah, you start being like, good thing, 0:18:09.280 --> 0:18:12.800 I'm flying somewhere. I'll get more frequent flyer status than 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:17.320 true point system. You know, so we have a bonus point. 0:18:18.720 --> 0:18:23.200 But you know there's lots of one of the questions 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:27.119 Colorado right where it's like, no, if the whole state. 0:18:27.320 --> 0:18:30.840 If you get X amount of points, you will draw 0:18:30.880 --> 0:18:34.480 this tag. Not necessarily if you get an x amount, 0:18:34.600 --> 0:18:39.200 but that you have more than anybody else. The only 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.919 way it's true preference. If I have tann and you 0:18:41.960 --> 0:18:45.240 have nine, I would draw before you do. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.720 the max point holders and and that stuff always bummed 0:18:49.720 --> 0:18:54.199 me out too, because I was like, so you're just 0:18:54.240 --> 0:18:59.960 telling me, do not apply to all of these opportunities. 0:19:00.400 --> 0:19:04.160 Explain point creepy. Then we gotta get to going. Here's 0:19:04.160 --> 0:19:06.320 what let me do that. Let this ladies and gentlemen, 0:19:06.320 --> 0:19:11.640 you asked him, We answered a special question. Episode First, 0:19:11.680 --> 0:19:15.560 we're gonna spend three hours have people air their grievance. 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:17.639 Is about the fact that I put in the time 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:19.640 and effort and money and drew a goat take. I'd 0:19:19.640 --> 0:19:22.640 be lying if I wasn't thinking, I'm like, man, I 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.040 hope that song Jeane loves jezz Bell? Who is that jealous? 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.600 An avalanche sweep Steve Off like right about when he's 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:33.960 bought ready to touch that round off and then his 0:19:34.160 --> 0:19:36.800 kids are gonna be so bummed about hunting they'll never 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:39.840 put in for a special draw tag that'll increase my 0:19:39.920 --> 0:19:43.840 odds that's his long play. Someone had to be compete 0:19:43.880 --> 0:19:48.679 with them. Ornella kids explain Point Creep just just just 0:19:48.720 --> 0:19:52.959 because times in the Colorado and I don't know what 0:19:53.000 --> 0:20:00.480 other states have true preference Wyoming, Wyoming, maybe Arizona true preference. Yeah, 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:04.080 I'll explain it. But yeah, Arizona I think is more 0:20:04.119 --> 0:20:06.439 of a bonus system because I think you always have 0:20:06.680 --> 0:20:12.240 an actual chance. But in Colorado it's true preference, um, 0:20:12.640 --> 0:20:19.920 surprisingly only for deer and elk, not for the other ones. Yeah, 0:20:20.400 --> 0:20:22.800 um there, it's more like a bonus point. But the 0:20:22.840 --> 0:20:29.359 preference point basically means that, um, if there are you know, 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:33.280 ten applicants that all have the max points, which means 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:37.840 they've been applying every year since the program started that 0:20:38.119 --> 0:20:40.280 and it might be I think these days it's getting 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:42.639 up near thirty, isn't it close to thirty years have 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.880 been doing it. So those people that have max points 0:20:45.880 --> 0:20:50.119 will draw first before the people that have one point 0:20:50.240 --> 0:20:53.359 less than them, and so on down the line it goes. 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.760 And so in Point Creep there's so few tags and 0:20:56.840 --> 0:20:58.560 some of these units of these people with all these 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:02.760 points want that every year it takes one more point 0:21:02.840 --> 0:21:06.400 to draw it, meaning that the max max point hold. 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:11.080 Their pool never gets it doesn't get satisfied. Yeah, so 0:21:11.119 --> 0:21:14.000 the guys are twenty five points. This year there was 0:21:14.359 --> 0:21:17.880 twenty of them. They're not cleared off the docket, that's right. 0:21:17.960 --> 0:21:20.280 So the next year it takes twenty six The minimum 0:21:20.480 --> 0:21:23.360 times you've explained is I never really understood it. Yeah, 0:21:23.400 --> 0:21:26.960 the minimum just keeps going up every year. It used 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:28.960 to be because you're not like, oh now, like you're 0:21:28.960 --> 0:21:31.480 sitting on nineteen points, You're like, oh now, all the 0:21:31.520 --> 0:21:34.480 twenty point guys are gone because they got their ship. 0:21:35.280 --> 0:21:37.440 They're not gone. And it's gonna come down to how 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:39.840 big that pool of people is. Because if it is 0:21:39.880 --> 0:21:42.840 what I'm explaining, like ten tags and twenty people in 0:21:42.840 --> 0:21:45.560 the max bonus point pool, sure it'll only take two 0:21:45.640 --> 0:21:48.600 years to pull them out and it would drop down 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:50.960 to the next one. Right, So every other year you 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:53.399 kind of reset a little bit. But I think some 0:21:53.480 --> 0:21:57.280 of those there's people that have there's hundreds of people 0:21:57.320 --> 0:21:59.560 that have max bonus points. So it depends on where 0:21:59.600 --> 0:22:01.840 this point, yeah, max preference points, So it depends on 0:22:01.840 --> 0:22:04.560 where they're putting their energy, and you know where they're applying. 0:22:05.359 --> 0:22:08.800 I'd like folks to know Um, folks out there sitting 0:22:08.840 --> 0:22:11.480 who are thinking like cal who are like, jeez, Louise, 0:22:11.680 --> 0:22:16.800 really that there's a couple of states dry desert states, 0:22:17.280 --> 0:22:21.000 dry desert states that they just have low populations, low 0:22:21.040 --> 0:22:24.800 wildlife populations, and high populations of people. So you go 0:22:24.880 --> 0:22:27.480 like Arizona and you have like the Phoenix area right 0:22:27.560 --> 0:22:29.520 Salt Lake City or in Utah, so you got like 0:22:29.960 --> 0:22:35.760 big population centers, dry climate, not tons of egg necessarily, 0:22:35.920 --> 0:22:39.879 that's not tons of farming that supports high wildlife numbers. Anyhow, 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.600 there's some states out there where a lot of hunting 0:22:42.640 --> 0:22:46.880 opportunities are tied to drawing permits like that. You could 0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.040 you could feasibly be a resident one of these states 0:22:50.080 --> 0:22:52.520 and not really draw and have a year where you 0:22:52.560 --> 0:22:55.520 don't get a good opportunity to hunt big game. No, 0:22:55.720 --> 0:22:58.600 that can happen for the most part that we're talking 0:22:58.600 --> 0:23:01.399 about is like elite group of hard player type stuff, 0:23:01.760 --> 0:23:05.040 meaning UM, most states of there's all kind of stuff 0:23:05.040 --> 0:23:06.440 you can hunt. You go down to the gas station, 0:23:06.560 --> 0:23:09.840 you buy your permits. We're to be talking about UH 0:23:09.960 --> 0:23:13.439 states to allocate either like a certain species which are 0:23:13.480 --> 0:23:17.920 not abundant species UM, and they'll allocate hunts that way, 0:23:18.160 --> 0:23:21.760 or certain areas where a state will carve off a 0:23:21.760 --> 0:23:24.520 little chunk of of itself and be like, this is 0:23:24.520 --> 0:23:27.080 gonna be an area where we're gonna really limit how 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:31.720 many people can hunt there, and uh um, and try 0:23:31.720 --> 0:23:34.359 to like grow extra big specimens of animals in this 0:23:34.440 --> 0:23:36.720 area and create like this really amazing experience. And so 0:23:36.760 --> 0:23:38.919 we're gonna do a permit draw allocation here. But this 0:23:39.000 --> 0:23:41.760 is not what it takes to do all this, And 0:23:41.760 --> 0:23:43.720 there are plenty of people that hunt their asses off 0:23:43.800 --> 0:23:47.000 every year that don't do these permit draws. But once 0:23:47.040 --> 0:23:50.520 you get into them, I find it's fun just for 0:23:50.560 --> 0:23:53.960 its own sake. I view it as something even more 0:23:54.000 --> 0:23:59.000 than a means to an end, just like Cal hates um, 0:23:59.200 --> 0:24:03.320 Like I actually like I. I take enjoyment in it. 0:24:03.320 --> 0:24:05.480 It feels like it feels like gambling, but I don't 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.679 like to gamble. Yeah, so be if Trump wins, I 0:24:08.680 --> 0:24:13.760 win four bucks. Hard player. When Steve says hard player, 0:24:13.840 --> 0:24:16.040 this is a group of hard players, elite group of 0:24:16.080 --> 0:24:19.480 hard players, like a craps table, I didn't say this 0:24:19.600 --> 0:24:22.200 is a group or there may be one or two 0:24:22.240 --> 0:24:27.000 at the craps table that you'd call an athlete, whereas 0:24:27.000 --> 0:24:29.159 the rest you're just sitting there smoking and they're like 0:24:29.359 --> 0:24:36.800 rolling dice. Yeah, yeah, it's a system. Yeah, you can 0:24:36.840 --> 0:24:41.400 become a guy that counts cards, not the count cards 0:24:41.400 --> 0:24:43.240 and crap. What's the what's the craps what's the craps 0:24:43.280 --> 0:24:46.600 version what I'm trying to say, you know the odds. Yeah, 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.919 you could be like a real an elite hard player 0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:53.120 and and get a lot of value out of the system. 0:24:53.240 --> 0:24:54.560 Or you could be a guy who just sits down 0:24:54.560 --> 0:24:56.280 and wants to have a free drink and lose some 0:24:56.320 --> 0:24:59.359 money and and and wind up coming away feel a 0:24:59.359 --> 0:25:04.640 little burned open. Steve slides down a mountain. But I'll 0:25:04.680 --> 0:25:08.719 point out this is the after all these years, Okay, 0:25:08.840 --> 0:25:14.840 this this is the first I've been applying since let's 0:25:14.840 --> 0:25:19.680 say Extra Safe because I didn't do it, and no, 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:23.480 I didn't apply as non resident or you know, this 0:25:23.560 --> 0:25:25.240